Why is /tg/ so opposed to including waifus in games? The only times they're detrimental to the game is when they derail it, which can only happen when you have a bad DM (or when the DM starts putting his waifu in the game he's running). A good DM does not suppress his players' desires, but redirect them to make them productive. Here's only a few examples of how waifus can be made productive:
>Some irrelevant city on the frontier is under siege and the players have no reason to care about it... except for the fact that it's Meowsterlitz, the native city of the barbarian's catgirl waifu
>Centaurs and Minotaurs have had a feud that lasted for generations, the parties are invited as a neutral party to mediate. The paladin's centaur gf wants them to mediate in favor of the paladin. Will he side with his waifu or uphold his honor and justice above all else?
>The nymphs hold a special jewel that can cure all ills, but it's considered a borderline holy artifact. Letting the bard woo the nymph queen might make borrowing it easier.
And they offer many more options, some of which I haven't even considered. Like everything else, waifu's are a tool at the disposal of the DM. There's no need to blanket ban innocent tools.
>"B-but monster girls trigger me"
Keep in mind that (assuming D&D) adventurers are exceptional beings straight off the bat. It's only natural that exceptional men marry exceptional women.
Keep in mind that you're the DM: you're the one who keeps the story on the rails. When it's being derailed, use all means you have at your disposal to rerail it.
why don't you get an actual girlfriend instead of getting the DM to act as an imaginary one for you
Because people usually do a poor job developing them as anything more than a warm, wet cock-sleeve for the PC.
>>48040836
Stop inserting your fetishes into the game.
Get a real girlfriend.
Stop being a degenerate and stop having waifus. Quit porn. Delete your fap folder. Stop masturbating.
Go to church.
>>48040836
Waifu's don't need to be monster girls, any of those situations could have been done without monster girls If you want a thread about monster girls use the proper terminology. People object to monster girls because not everyone is into that. I have no problem if you like monster girls, go for it mate, but they aren't necessary.
If you want to talk about Waifu's, not monster girls, then i don't think there is a huge hatred for them, but i think some people object because it can be kinda creepy for a bunch of dudes to roleplay romantic relationships.
>Why is /tg/
>Why does /tg/
It isn't.
It doesn't.
>>48040836
Most GMs are shit. They think that asshole "powerful independent human" characters are the most genius thing anyone has ever come up with. They think they're being clever "authors" when they kill off characters that end up being unexpectedly likeable. Any non-quest giving character who appears for more than one scene is a GMPC and weeaboo waifu bait. They don't know what the fuck they're doing but they think they do.
Waifus are some of the few things in life that keep me going.
>>48040921
>/tg/ isn't
>/tg/ doesn't
>it doesn't exist
>it's all in my head
>I'm all in my head
o shit
Maybe we're all in your head anon.
Maybe you're in a coma and this is a message from you relatives trying to wake you up?
>>48040937
But anon, this isn't the Pokemon anime. Otherwise he'd be 1,000% more annoying at useless. :P
![3be[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3Bj7pMq.jpg "3be[1].jpg")
>>48040881
>why don't you get an actual girlfriend instead of getting the DM to act as an imaginary one for you
Because the essence of roleplaying is that you, as the player, become a different person. This different person has a different circle of friends and a different social life. This social life will most likely at one point or another include a romantic or sexual partner, considering that is what drives literally the entire survival of any sexually reproducing species.
If you cannot comprehend this, you might as well ask "why don't you fight in an actual war instead of getting the DM to pretend to be a bunch of goblins for you".
>>48041009
Truth.
>>48040836
>Keep in mind that (assuming D&D) adventurers are exceptional beings straight off the bat. It's only natural that exceptional men marry exceptional women.
Mundane races are perfectly capable of being exceptional, or maybe they just don't share your shit fetish.
>Keep in mind that you're the DM: you're the one who keeps the story on the rails. When it's being derailed, use all means you have at your disposal to rerail it.
so that you can waste everyone's time backpedalling, and the players can bitch on /tg/ about how that gm stole their kawaii uguu animu waifu?i actually have no problem with waifus in games as long as their actual characters and not lazy plothook material.OP is a faggot though.
>>48040836
The problem is those are already hacky, kludgy bullshit that will teach your players not to get attached to anything because you'll cash it in for plot the first time you get stuck for an idea.
At best it will descend into a monster-girl ERP, at worst you'll end up with a table of people who have no friends, no family, no past, no connections, and no hobbies beyond brooding in the corners of inns that by all accounts must be damn near circular for all the corner seats they seem to offer.
Pull your pants up, zip 'em, close down Monster Girl Quest, admit it was never actually for "research," and stock a setting with real characters that a) don't come from your spank-bank and b) don't have to justify their presence with this ridiculous questgiver bullshit.
>>48040836
shut up
>>48040836
>Why is /tg/ so opposed to including waifus in games?
The games usually turn to shit right afterwards. Never let a man or woman for that matter put in a waifu/husbando character in their game, the initial 'fun' is soon replaced by foolishness and butthurt once the character dies.
>>48041009
Nice false equivalency loser
Who the fuck plays a fantasy RPG and thinks, "Gotta do my duty to the dwarven race and reproduce!" Do your characters eat three meals a day and brush their teeth too?
Besides, offspring between a dwarf and a centaur or whatever are not likely to be viable. Keep your fetish shit out of the game.
>>48040836
BECAUSE YOUR WAIFU IS BEING PLAYED BY A SADISTIC ASSHOLE WHO'LL RAPE HER 12 WAYS TO SUNDAY TO GET A PLOT GOING. AND ALSO MAGICAL REALM YOUR WAIFU WITH HIS SHIT.
>>48041009
>the essence of roleplaying is sex
Go play Social Lives and Sexual Encounters, then.
>>48041468
>Do your characters eat three meals a day and brush their teeth too?
You... have played a roleplaying game, yes?
>Besides, offspring between a dwarf and a centaur or whatever are not likely to be viable
OH HO, unexpectedly, you are actually correct.
For further information, please consult the attached chart.
Also note the addendum at the bottom is "without magical means".
With the intercession of enough fertility gods, anything is possible.
>>48040836
Because a lot of it stems basically from your inability to get laid or find a girlfriend.
More or less it's you reinforcing by using the game's setting and rules that you have no sex or love life and then shoving it in everyone's faces in the clumsiest and most pathetic way imaginable, and in most cases gaming groups are people who are at least nominally friends and even nominal friends don't like watching someone debase themselves like that in public.
>>48041009
You sound like a dumb person trying to use big words to sound smart, trying to hide your non existent argument.
If you can't sum your point up in an easy sentence or two, it's not a good point.
tl;dr you're a moron
>>48040891
>go to church
Kill yourself.
>>48040836
Because, as a player, I have a right not to be involved in some person's elaborate masturbation. Traditional "waifus" are okay in the sense that basically every conversation with someone who has a traditional "waifu" is going to be about their "waifu", so you kind of know what you're getting into. Neo-waifus, the way they're conventionally understood, are awful, particularly if someone sneaks their deviant fetish into an otherwise fun campaign. Why not just masturbate to elaborate niche porn on the internet the same way everyone else does?
let's see here
>my character has a husband/wife/betrothed/family
This is not bad. This is, in fact, basic character building. A GM can use this to help tell a good story.
>my character falls for someone and wants to build a family
This is not per se bad but in my opinion, based on the groups I game with, would probably be roleplayed very "hands-off" and perfunctorily rather than with detailed descriptions of courtship and poetry. But again, a good GM can use that to tell a good story via rival suitors, etcetera
Note: these fundamentals of storytelling are not actually the same as anime bullshit and can be usefully described with perfectly ordinary English.
I would be pleased to add an NPC lover or spouse to a campaign. Less so if the player asked for a waifu.
Waifus don't necessarily have to be monstergirls, you know.
And everything is good in moderation. Characters having gfs and wives somewhere that throw a plot hook your way once in a while? Perfectly fine.
It stops being fine when the waifu starts stealing the spotlight because the player wants to RP a substitute for a real life relationship or just something to give him a stiffy and cummies.
I know you don't play TTRPGs and just shitpost here because you were banned on /a/ OP, but not everyone is a good roleplayer with enough restraint. In one of the games I play, a dude roleplays a lesbian who fucks a monstergirl DMPC, and that's all she fucking does. She either "trains" with her waifu, fucks her behind the scenes or otherwise just zones out, saying "I follow the party" or "I full attack" once in a blue moon. This shit is 1/4 of our screentime, basically.
Introducing something as a "waifu" or "she's like one of those monstergirls" is encouraging this kind of behavior. It can be fine if you have an entire table of weebs, but some people just want to have an adventure, not listen to you "snuggling ur waifu and rubbing her ears ^o^" for entire sessions at a time.
I'd only really give waifus/husbandos to players I know would handle it properly, and with whom I'd have discussed it in advance.
I actually have one group where three out of five players have/had some kind of love interest ; the paladin used to have a secret affair with the councilor's wife, with was used against him during the campaign and was one more reason his country exiled him. The formerly exiled prince turned emperor is pursuing a member of the elven royalty in hopes of forming an alliance. The wizard has one on one interaction with their base's healer. All of this is well-roleplayed, serves the plot or at least doesn't derail it, and makes perfect sense in our political campaign.
But I discussed the matter with the group for my sci-fi campaign, and we've agreed to include no romance. It wouldn't fit the tone and pace we're going for.
tl;dr : it depends on the game and the players, like most things do
>>48041650
Your contribution has been noted
>>48040836
I mean everyone who GMs in my group includes plenty of cute 2D waifu characters, but romance just isn't a topic anyone is actually interested in, so it's a matter of injecting cuteness and a bit of lewdness into the game for the sake of it, rather than for any plot revolving around relationships.
I will admit that my players definitely attempt to seduce my female characters a lot more than anyone else's, but it's probably because I do a decent girly voice and give them feminine personalities.
>>48041737
Oh hey, /leftypol/. That's a change from the usual breed of trolls here.
>>48041650
>>48041737
I like how mentioning church instantly triggers underage retards. It's like they think their fedora-based critiques actually mean something.
>>48041737
You have to go back
>>48041751
Christcucks are the enemy of any upstanding man, as they are ultimately slaves to kikes and their perverse morality.
>>48040836
>Keep in mind that you're the DM: you're the one who keeps the story on the rails. When it's being derailed, use all means you have at your disposal to rerail it.
>on the rails
>rerail it
Ok boys, you've had enough time with those kawaii waifus! Time to brush your teeth and go fight a BBEG!
>>48041764
Yup, you have a containment board full of people like you! You can go there, say whatever you want, and it's actually meaningful in the context that you're pissing into an ocean of piss.
That being said, if you're lonely and have no friends, church offers a group of nice open minded people and can help you overcome your crippling autism. Go for the bake-sales if nothing else.
>>48041793
>church offers a group of nice open minded people
8/8
>>48041793
Get out you fucking desperate shill.
>>48041793
>church offers a group of nice open minded people
>>48040937
Do you understand it's all in your head,it's your move
>>48041812
>>48041814
>>48041839
It does? You can be fat, gay, ugly, into weird ass porn, or otherwise socially unacceptable, and they're basically contractually obligated to be nice to you. All you have to do is show up, listen to a story of varying quality for an hour, and make casual small talk during community events that often have high-quality homemade snacks. In fact, most priests are generally educated in philosophy and theology, so they're capable of having substantiated intellectual debates if you approach them rationally and not like a giant fedora sperg.
But, like I said before, I know it's summer time, so please take your teenage shitposting to your containment board. /tg/ is a nice place, and it would certainly be nicer if you faggots fucked off to where you belong.
>>48041862
>wears a crucifix
>full fedora
yeah pretty much. I'd advise against posting your own pictures on 4chan though
>>48041862
>I know it's summer time
>but I'm still going to get upset at summer instead of just ignoring it like a big boy
>>48041812
>>48041814
>>48041839
Religions have some dank lore, art and rituals anons. Reading up on religions/mythologies is a pretty great way to get better at worldbuilding, or even enjoy the game lore you read more. It'd definitely make you better roleplayers/GMs than getting triggered about it on /tg/ at least.
>>48041862
You raised christcuckery in the furst place, faggot. /pol/ is far more accepting of degenerate faggots such as yourself than "Satan's Playground" /tg/ is. Fuck off with your pathetic shilling.
![37ae325dd0ca7da52739bc59754fab3e[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/8RzwkmM.png "37ae325dd0ca7da52739bc59754fab3e[1].png")
Because you keep bitching that my furry waifu is disgusting bestiality while you're willing to fuck someone who's just a horse from the waist down just because it has an uguu anime face on it.
>>48041009
> This social life will most likely at one point or another include a romantic or sexual partner, considering that is what drives literally the entire survival of any sexually reproducing species.
Biologically, RPGs should also include people taking a dump. Except nobody does that for obvious reasons. For the same reasons GM will not roleplay your waifu.
>>48041932
>>48041915
>>48041947
You forgot your reaction images. How am I supposed to judge your articulate ad hominem arguments based on just two lines of green text?
>>48041934
This guy gets it. Say what you will about the religions, their mysticism is pretty neat in a universal sense. I read through Paradise Lost for a course on literature, and it helped me make some pretty kick-ass BBEGs, particularly the way Lucifer's hubris got him cast out of heaven for acting pragmatically. It's nice when a BBEG has a fleshed-out personality and a logical, compelling reason for being the BBEG.
>>48041947
OR you are just really easily baited and are whining over something no one gives a shit about.
>>48042004
i feel like works of fiction of such incredible quality as paradise lost don't get enough credit as sources of inspiration here on /tg/. at least not the same extent as the likes of dune or lord of the rings
>>48040836
If they were just a plot device, sure.
But they're not, they're a romantic interest and people who insert that shit into a campaign - player, DM, whatever - are rarely people you want around.
A different kind of magical realm.
>>48041947
>furst
Anon is English you third or fourth language?
The only time Christianity is acceptable is when you're playing Ars Magica
>Anon saves the day by mentioning the church and killing this retard subject as the fedoras are deployed
>>48042031
>lord of the rings
Ironic.
Also, Dante's Divine Comedy.
>>48042037
Forgot Chronicles of Narmia m8
>>48042051
Or when the whole group approves because we're adults.
>>48042075
If you have imaginary friends, you aren't adults.
>>48042031
To be honest, the "cannon" of western literature has been a little perverted by fedoras and the internet. We're at this weird post-modern time where people obliquely understand allusion, but they don't have a concrete grasp of the source material. I read paradise lost because I have a giant poetry-based boner, and without annotations it's almost impossible to get through. I think it's a little like the Ivory Tower system. There is this great swathe of awesome literature to inspire you, but the average person needs to fumble through a sea pedestrian recommendations before they get the chutzpah to dive into something objectively better.
>>48042091
Basically people need a classical education of both the Bible and Greco-Roman poetry and plays.
>>48042091
>>48042106
There's no wisdom of the ancients. Milton was an ignorant primitive, just live everyone else in the Renaissance and, just like the Greeks and Romans before them.
>>48042081
If you get off by insulting a person's belief system behind the curtain of anonymity you're not either. Baitlord, I tip my fedora to you.
>>48042116
>insulting beliefs
They are deserving of nothing but insults. There's no such thing as belief or faith. They're just pretending.
>>48042114
Milton was after the Renaissance. At least keep you bait consistent. Come on, man.
>>48042138
The 1600's weren't the Renaissance?
>>48042114
I didn't say their was "wisdom of the ancients". I said that most people don't understand the vast majority of canonical western literature. If you never read Hamlet, you wouldn't understand a parody or an homage to Hamlet within another story.
Also, Milton was after the Renaissance, probably high as a kite on ergot poisoning, and he is objectively one of the finest writers to ever grace our planet. You tried real hard, and got so far...
>>48041650
>>48041737
you newfriends always get baited by this shit it's unbelievable
>>48042146
No, they weren't. That was the Enlightenment era. The Renaissance was 1500s.
>>48042153
Shakespeare was an ignorant primitive too, and Milton, born in 1608, was certainly during the Renaissance.
>>48042132
You know I could point out the factual flaws in you disingenuous assertions. But that'd take time and effort I'm not willing to spend on a troll who's clearly here to sew discord and rancor. Good day to you sir.
>>48042132
the only one pretending is you anon, and poorly at that.
>>48040836
Because 99% of the time it's silly
>>48041737
BUILD
>>48042174
At least nothing of value was lost.
>>48042174
No you couldn't. Faith is pretense. Period. "I want something to be, so I will act as if it is the case." That's pretending.
>>48042163
Who isn't ignorant and primitive to you?
>>48042163
The Renaissance was a time period from early 14th, to mid 17th century. Milton was born at the tail-end of the Renaissance and wrote work more fitting of the Enlightenment era. At least try a bit harder if you want to bait someone with a better education.
Also, Shakespeare is many things, but spontaneously writing new scenes in iambic pentameter in the middle of your own play is pretty difficult. I didn't use him as an example of awesome writing, I said if you didn't read hamlet and something referenced hamlet, you'd have no idea what's being discussed.
Give me your top 5 writers, go.
>>48042208
Modern people, and I hope future people will have the good sense to think of us as just as primitive when they've surpassed us.
>>48042199
Everyone does that. It's called volition, not faith. You're bad at this.
>>48041988
Call me next time someone tries to save a dump from a castle and maybe, just maybe, you might have a point.
>>48042216
I have better things to do than waste my time reading fiction. Writing things in metered verse is ridiculous regardless of the difficulty in producing it.
>>48042199
You have a very strange definition of faith that I think most dictionaries will disagree with, and sound incredibly jaded and angery.
So who molested you?
>>48042218
A quick look at 4chan alone shows you're a moron.
>>48042199
Anon your either an extreme newfag or the WORST leftypol I've ever seen. Lurk more faggot and git gud. Because what you're using right now is weeeeak.
>>48042218
Let me guess, we aren't primitive because people are becoming less religious, right?
>>48042218
What are you trying to say? Some weird post-historical revisionism where people are intrinsically more educated based on the time they were born? Come on anon, you read the /pol/ posters in this thread, you know that's patently false.
>>48042231
>Writing things in metered verse is ridiculous regardless of the difficulty in producing it.
Oh, you're just uncultured swine. He wrote in iambic pentameter because it mimics natural human oration. Metered verse is a rhetorical device and it can convey additional meaning that would otherwise be lost without it. That's the "art" part of writing, and not everyone can appreciate it, but if you can't you shouldn't be proud of your ignorance.
>>48042223
Volition is acting on one's will. It is something completely separate.
"Someone told me a story so I buy into it instead of all the other competing stories because I heard this one first." That's pretending. It's the complete absurdity of Pascal, who "believed" based on fear of one outcome and desire for another. This is rational when you're talking about real things, but you can't spontaneously decide "I'm going to believe this," and be sincere. It's not a real thing.
>>48040836
>Why is /tg/ so opposed to including waifus in games?
Because your selective reading prevents you from seeing all the threads and discussions where this is not the case. There are plenty of degenerates on this board who are willing to date their players vicariously through their NPCs.
>>48042265
Inb4 his response is just
>nuh-huh
>>48042265
Natural human speech goes, "bla BLA ba BLA ba BLA ba BLA ba BLA" Okay, sure it does. That doesn't confer any additional meaning. Stop trying to justify your literature degree.
>>48041751
Maybe they just dislike the idea of organized religion rather than faith in and of itself?
>>48042277
Jesus the mental gymnastics here are gold metal worthy, but, following your example I'll now be a cunt and not fully explain myself.
>>48042321
Art is worthless.
>>48040836
Having relationships and bonds with other NPC's does indeed provide for some quest and rp opportunities. It's actually a refreshing change from every PC being a lone-wolf desperado murderhobo killing machine.
However, using the term "waifu" is indicative of anime culture, and also spending too much time on anime boards. Leave that shit at home. In fact, I might suggest you drop the term from your mind entirely as it won't bode well with future relationships if you have that template in your psyche.
>>48042277
>>48042294
Got really stupid in here extremely quickly. Nice to see the Summer piss crop is coming in nicely.
>>48042327
Yes and?
>>48042265
>iambic pentameter because it mimics natural human oration
I've read that the alexandrin is the most natural meter, actually. Though maybe that's because my source was French and didn't compare French meters to foreign ones.as a French person I still don't understand how the iambic pentameter works and I still find it unpleasant to hear.
>>48042346
Literature-degree anon is a moron. It's incredibly unpleasant to hear. Also studies have shown that the Trochaic foot is better at getting people to agree with what you said. Rhetoric people are just brainwashed Classicists that believe whatever some guy wrote because it was not in the same century as now. We were doing it in Iambic so that's the best way. They're like Medieval philosophists getting hardons over Aristotelian motion.
Mature, grown people can be expected to not insert their personal fantasies on the game
You may think the group doesn't notice or that it doesn't disrupt the tone of the game. Waifubait NPCs mostly contribute nothing but cheap romance or awkwardness from the DM "stealthily" injecting his fetishes into the game.
>>48042294
I was literally making fun of you for being uneducated and loud-wrong, and you reply by making fun of me for being educated without any knowledge of my educational background. Hilarious. I don't have a degree in literature at all, though I do have a liberal arts degree as part of my post-secondary education.
>>48042327
Prove it.
>>48042346
That's actually really interesting, I didn't know other languages found different meter favorable. When you read iambic pentameter, most people force the meter onto it, instead of reading the words as they were written in a fluid fashion, which can make it more believable. I personally think it's more of a "I'm reading things in pretentious fashion, so you should listen carefully" rather than actually copying how humans talk, but that's subject for debate.
>>48042372
This anon is right, but he misunderstood my point. I was explaining WHY the meter was implemented, as opposed to making intrinsic judgements about the quality of one type of meter versus another. Personally I prefer free-verse because almost all constructed meter requires poetic license to make things consistent, and chopping of syllables just to fit some arbitrary construction pisses me off, but that's an entirely different discussion.
>>48040891
>Go to church.
>church
LET THE TRIGGERING BEGIN!
>>48040836
> Why is /tg/ so opposed to [...]
/tg/ is not a hive mind; no board is. If you think any board is universally of one mind about any subject you're delusional.
>Go into thread cause I have opinions about how romance should be handled in RP
>Thread has already devolved into religious debate for some odd reason
>>48042500
You're a bit late.
>>48042444
>>48042346
A quick lookup says Alexandrine meter is from German and French poetry, and Iambic is from English poetry after several years of English poetry in Alexandrine.
So maybe it is better for French and German, while Iambic is better for English. But who knows.
>>48042515
Please go ahead, we need more on-topic in here.
>>48040836
autism
>>48042560
>You're a bit late.
No one can post faster than someone getting triggered. Triggers are the only things that travel faster than c.
>>48041575
I like how you think anon
>>48042560
I wish I spoke more than one language. I find multi-lingual writers always have such vivid descriptions of things because they have different dialectics with different capacities for thought. Whereas my knowledge of spanish limited to "dos cerveza por favor" and my knowledge of french could probably get me a hamburger anywhere other than quebec.
>>48040836
There is a very, very simple reason.
Roleplaying is ultimately a social event. When you run an RPG, you are not playing alone: You have to be conscious of the people around you. And when you step back for a moment, you realize that you are trying to flirt with a fat neckbeard or your very MALE DM, while the other players are watching with a combination of pity, disgust and perverse fascination at watching a man debase himself like that.
This is why most RPGs just focus on dungeon-crawling, fighting, or cool stuff. Sex stuff is uncomfortable for everyone involved, and I just know that people like you will get fucking creepy about it.
You started this thread. You know you can't do it without being creepy in a way that makes everyone look at you with new eyes.
It's not going to work, on the tabletop. This can only be done if romance is glossed-over or done in broad strokes, so no-one gets disgusted or freaked out. I do not want to hear your mating calls over your imaginary waifu, it's disgusting.
As a DM, I can't condone that. This is basically like catching someone masturbating.
>>48040836
>It's only natural that exceptional men marry exceptional women.
Monster-human hybrid doesn't automatically equal exceptional.
The problem is not waifus in game, the problem is that I don't trust the DM after betraying me with in game relationships too many times.
He includes waifus and husbandos and he handles them well, but they always turn out to have some sort of secret or detail that comes back to bite you. A case can be made that it furthers or adds to the plot, but I'm sick and tired of having my trust betrayed.
Hell, last time I took the risk and played along, the waifu turned out to be my character's mom.
>>48041575
>You... have played a roleplaying game, yes?
There's the problem 9/10 times.
>>48042615
Look up the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis if you haven't already, and despair with me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity
>tfw you only speak two languages fluently, and they're not even very different from each other
>tfw your mind is horribly limited by this
>>48042626
this is actually the most straightforward explanation you're gonna get
>This is basically like catching someone masturbating.
people typically masturbate, you know, alone, but when you do this shit at the table? yeah same thing
>>48040836
I only offer waifus when thematically appropriate, like during political intrigue campaigns.
Also, don't expect sex in a non-ERP campaign.
It's also really hard to justify why the baker's daughter isn't gonna end up gibbed or kidnapped by a dedicated rival while the dude with 10 class levels is out of town.
Too much of a liability, normally.
>>48042515
The worst part of most things in life, is becoming aware that this is the way that things have always been and it's never actually going to get any better.
>>48042626
>This can only be done if romance is glossed-over or done in broad strokes, so no-one gets disgusted or freaked out
yes, and?
Is this not how people do it? Just describe their visiting their family, or betrothed, as a downtime thing?
Like
>OK, now we are in town I'll invite the party back to my castle for a feast, and to meet my wife and kids
>>48042657
Frankly, I only play relationships for drama. This is the big draw for players, who want to be in one of those big, dramatic arcs. Love rivals, hidden curses, oaths of eternal loyalty, last-minute revelations, and so on.
Sex is really besides the point. Make it like a drama. No-one ever gets laid. Kissing someone is a massive commitment. Girls are insanely jealous and won't let you go once they sink their nails into you. They force the PCs to jump through hoops, and yes they're strictly monogamous.
Make it romantic and make it hit a little close to home. Remember, this is a tabletop game. The sex is the least interesting part of things, to the players. What makes a PC feel like a million bucks is how, after the fade-to-black sex scene, the formerly cold love interest is now all soft and affectionate and giggly around him, writing soppy poetry and sighing.
>>48042657
>anon is literally mad his pretend girlfriend doesn't stay his pretend girlfriend forever
get LAID holy FUCK
>>48042657
See, this is the fun part! That is what I live for, as a DM. The path of true love never runs straight, and putting your nipples through the wringer is fun for me.
Having things be romantically safe with you and your perfect waifu cuddling and having sex in the missionary position makes me wants to rip my eyes out.
>All these traditionalist
>All these fedoras
For the topic though, if you cant see why describing your perfect fantasy girl and possibly lewding her in front of people looking to play a tabletop game is weird, you're beyond hope to begin with.
>>48042657
>last time I took the risk and played along, the waifu turned out to be my character's mom.
that's hilarious and i'd buy your gm a beer if i knew him
>>48042755
Chen knows what's up.
>>48042683
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity
I actually knew about that before hand, but through Foucault's limiting of dialectics as a form of social control. You're a cool guy anon, feel free to discuss pretentious off-topic things with me any time.
>>48040836
In a game that i ran which i concluded a couple months ago, the barbarian being the good conscience sap that he is, helped save a tiefling for information gathering purposes. (the rest of the party wanted to torture her for info, and eventually just kill her.) In setting tieflings are blind underground dwellers, but an artifact of an evil god gave some of the elders sight, power, (and madness). After defeating the elder priest and recovering the artifact, she left supposedly to be corrupted. At the end of the campaign, (about 2 months after the fight) she turned back up to see the barbarian, and thanked him for saving her life. But after gaining her sight she wanted to travel the world, and wanted him to join her. The next day they leave to fight and have adventures till the end of their days.
>>48042723
I'm mad that it's a waste of time and effort in game, and I'd rather do something else in game altogether. Why waste time with pretend relationships that are going to crash and burn anyway, when I could be fighting a monster or trying to make a deal with a merchant?
>>48042750
If I know, it's basically guaranteed, that any relationship my character could possibly have (always as initiated by the DM in the first place) will go badly, then why would I even bother?
It's like including family in your backstory. If your DM always abuses it, after the 10th game where the villain kidnaps my character's parents and almost certainly is going to kill them even in some contrived way if I succeed, then why should I bother? After the 10th time of my character's parents getting kidnapped and used against him only to be killed, and the 10th time my character's love interested turned out to be a few goblins standing on each other's shoulders with magic disguise, I'm going to make an orphan who avoids with relationships.
>>48040836
Last time my character had a waifu he ended up becoming fantasy Darth Vader.
>Outstanding warrior with great potential -and emotional issues that would require multiple therapists to address
>Finds this incredibly beautiful girl who takes an interest in him
>Emotional issues cause him to become overtly attached to her too quickly
>Turns out she's even more bent in the head than he is and becomes a devoted wife to him nearly instantly
>The emotionally unstable pair is clingy enough towards each other that it actually somehow works
>Character gets completely outplayed by a villain with way more experience, nearly dies
>A member of the party kicks him while he's down while not knowing who he is, basically dooming him to death
>Wakes up at the mercy of a demon
>"Now, I know your wife is pregnant with twins" (no, seriously) "so I'm going to cut you a deal. Work for me and live, or watch your wife, unborn children, and the whole continent go up in flames at the hands of whatever chucklefuck I end up possessing."
>Takes the deal, knowing he's screwed but hopes it can buy his impromptu family the time it needs
And then he became the BBEG of another campaign, got killed, and his wife was also killed. His wife sold her soul to save their kids, and now wife and husband are together again (as devils in Hell). Hooray for true love?
I've never actually seen any romance in any games. The most I have seen is smooth-talking 22 CHA halfling bards get turned down by every single NPC. I have seen one PC-PC lesbian romance but never anything involving NPCs. I have played tabletop RPGs for 14 years without tasting any sweet, sweet romance. I want to flirt with NPCs, win hearts, or be pursued by a cute monster girl in love. Is that so wrong?
>>48041812
>>48041839
There *is* more than one kind of Church, you know...
>>48042964
Yes, it's wrong to want that.
>>48042911
Maybe your DM is trying to tell you something.
>>48042964
Yup, just make some elaborate masturbatory story instead for your RP. No one needs to read it, it can be as shitty as you want.
>>48042964
How dare you come without greentext. Fabricate something this instant.
>>48042964
Its hard because it involves a DM to say these for you. DMing can get embarrassing as is, dont you think it would be even more embarrassing to pretend to be a love-struck monster girl while some dude talks about kissing you as well?
>>48042964
Have you even once discussed this interest with your game master?
The answer might still be "no," but more often than not a romantic subplot with an NPC can be arranged.
>>48041575
>Dragons are Y all the way across the board
>Sprite + Centaur is Y
>Sprite + GIANT is only "Maybe"
>>48043149
Fey put a lot of work into it, apparently.
It depends on the group and what the players want
If you know them well you should be able to judge whether they would be fine with "Waifus" or any other garbage or not
>>48042911
>Why waste time with pretend relationships that are going to crash and burn anyway, when I could be fighting a monster or trying to make a deal with a merchant?
so don't do that.
>>48041575
I know that people rail on the Book of Erotic Fantasy for good reasons, but it actually does have some neat fluff like your pic and stuff about courtship rituals.
>>48042683
So, you guys know that the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is a non-scientific idea, widely known as pseudoscience by linguists, and propagated by modern leftists because it helps their agenda, right? Right?
>>48040836
Because waifu fags are awful. I don't mean that they like to fap to cartoons, but rather, the way they act when accusations of whos waifu is best, or if their waifu is a lesbian or would suck dick or not.
Basically waifu faggotry is only a step away from seiyuu and idolfaggotry, and industry known to destroy careers because the women involved dare to fuck someone instead of staying chaste so these nerds can dream of fucking their virgin pussies.
Honestly its all in the mentality. If you want to have romance in a game, have romance. use the word waifu if you want. but for fucks sake play the character you made and don't act like an autistic sperg if your waifu doesn't want your D
>>48041575
>Centaur/Human is "Maybe"
Are they suggesting what I think they are?Assuming a human woman can take the horse dick, I guess having a foal *would* be a problem.
>>48042560
>Please go ahead
Alrighty then
One of my GMs is doing a sequel campaign to a campaign that I ran last year, he was a PC in that campaign and his character (female changling) is basically the main point of contact in this sequel. She basically became a Demi-god of Lust and has her own little town around her fortress. Despite the lust thing, degeneracy didn't come up too often and my character in the sequel eventually became the changling's official consort.
Now you have to understand, this GM is the most degenerate person I know. I'm talking like 100gb archive of weird ass pornmost of which is from /mlp/And despite this, when my character finally did the deed it was basically "OK roll a fort save, you last X minutes". No details or anythingdidn't want details anyway
tl;dr you can have romance and sex without a fuck ton of awkward details
![Qq5s162[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Q0P0so4.png "Qq5s162[1].png")
>>48043219
>known to destroy careers
They knew the risks going in. They knew the expectations of their audience and their obligations. It's like becoming a Catholic priest and then complaining having sex "ruins" your career.
>>48043294
Other than the surgery. And the hormones. And constantly being around attractive people all day. And being young enough to have a high libido.
>>48043218
why does it help the leftist agenda ; because of cultural enrichment or something ? Seems to me like it could go both ways, it could also be an argument for the difference and incompatibility between cultures, and the need to keep them separate to preserve them.
Not that I particularly believe in any argument, it's just that it can really be twisted to work with any political orientation.
>>48043309
>Other than the surgery. And the hormones. And constantly being around attractive people all day.
Wow, that sounds horrible! Almost as bad as being a mainstream Hollywood actor! It's almost like constantly being in the spotlights tends to ruin people regardless of culture.
>>48043322
Wow, you're so mad you're using sarcastic exclamation points. I'm just saying that in the case of idols, those things are institutionalized, except you can't have sex or you'll lose your job. The opposite is true about actors and other famous people. At least two mainstream celebrities this past decade have employment based exclusively on their sex tape.
only mentally ill anime watching faggots have waifus, I am not a mental health professional so when I see a waifu person I just pack my shit and leave, nothing else I can really do
this waifu trend started here on /tg/ when those /a/ faggots started posting over here, and the reason it bothers me is that the people who visit our two boards are fundamentally different: /tg/ is social and /a/ simply isnt, anime is for antisocial cringy and disgusting types who never had a social life or girlfriends so they resort to waifuism while /tg/ on the other hand is fundamentally a social thing
>>48043319
My experience with the social sciences and philosophy has been that any argument can be used to support any other argument, if you use elaborate enough phrasing and 'supporting evidence'.
>>48043393
>saged
I don't think you know what that word means.
>>48040836
But you can't have more than one waifu!
>>48043403
What.
Go on anon, please elaborate.
>>48042696
A character with both a wife, and kids? A)What's this person doing out adventuring. And B)Haha ok, sure.
>>48043434
Basically he's saying you can bullshit your way through anything if you're good at speaking, use big words in odd ways, and make shit up. I mean it's how politicians work.
>>48043466
Well apparently instead of going to the whorehouse in between adventures he got a wife instead.
>>48043402
What is the difference between a waifu and an IC romantic interest?
I ask because, while getting all lovey-dovey with some fictional character is pretty damn cringy, you can get a whole lot of roleplay and character development out of someone getting a better half.
>>48043393
>>48043402
Show me where the anime pro sat on you
>>48040836
Fuck off.
>>48043492
>Basically he's saying you can bullshit your way through anything if you're good at speaking, use big words in odd ways, and make shit up. I mean it's how politicians work.
Come on anon, how old are you? Based on that statement, you don't have a background in argumentation, so I'll keep things brief. Idiots will be obfuscated by anachronistic vernacular, but that doesn't mean you can argue any side with any point. I mean, you can try, but that doesn't make it logical, rational, correct, or even meaningful.
>>48043546
>whats the difference between [weebshit word for thing] and [thing]?
take a guess
>>48043393
>>48043404
Holy shit, saging is still a thing? Doesn't posting a picture negate the lack of bump or some such anyway?
>>48043546
The IC part. Big difference between OOC fantasies and putting your character in a romance for narrative reasons.
>>48043571
Granted some points are better suited to making a good argument than others. However, once again, politicians. They lie, cheat, steal and are incredibly corrupt, and yet people still trust them because they are charismatic and are very good with using their words in such a way as to befuddle their constituents(or at least their teleprompt writers are). Look at Brexit, Trump, Hillary and Bernie.
>>48043587
It's not a thing anymore. People who say "sage" are just trying to slam their metaphorical cock on the table and absolve themselves from the thread.
Back in the day, you were supposed to sage shitty threads with an image, to reduce how many other images could be posted in that thread, but that's more meta-fuckery than a real rule.
>>48043434
Okay, let's say a prominent politician likes skub, and cites some papers that suggest that skub is beneficial to the health of the Union of Cheeseburgers' population.
If I wanted to take an anti-skub position, I could simply use his personal history as fuel for examining where he got his pro-skub opinion (his parents used skub, one of his major funders has invested heavily in a pro-skub company), and use this as an (incorrect) but usually effective genetic fallacy argument.
I could then go on to suggest that the sources he called on were priorly disposed to supporting skub in a similar way. It's sort of a weasel words thing where a lot of implying goes on but no actual proof against the target (skub) is ever leveled.
Basically
>I have (reason) to suggest A is a good thing
>You suggest this, but as a human you are prone to mistakes and your evidence is gathered to support your point, so you must be wrong.
>>48043571
>I mean, you can try, but that doesn't make it logical, rational, correct, or even meaningful.
Which is exactly my point with experience in the social sciences and philosophies, which, strangely enough, have mostly been at university. I wonder why.
>>48043319
There's a war in social sciences nowadays. There's the real scientists who accept that society and people's behavior are affected (among other things) by their genes, and then there's the Standard Social Science Model.
The SSSM people ignore real evidence to promote their non-scientific leftist idea that all people are blank slates, that we're all completely equal, all your abilities are the result of your upbringing, not genetics, and all differences in cultures are purely based purely on historical development.
The Sapir–Whorf hypothesis was a bullshit research, but the SSSM people like to use it, along with the whole idea that language affects your thinking, as evidence that culture > genetics.
The reality is that cultures (and languages) are affected by our genes much more than our languages affect how we think. Don't be fooled for a second by the propaganda that speaking a different language gives you abilities to think differently. After all, if words were equal to thoughts, why do we sometimes struggle to express what we think in words?
>>48043546
no its fine, you make a good point, but I dont think you realize the weeb shitter cringiness, those 'people' are seriously fucking weird and depraved
take a look at /a/, every thread can be easily summed up as a "I dont have a girlfriend and it bothers me thread number #812357235023852389050238052358", it's really fucking depraved, weird, and sad
>>48043657
>The Sapir–Whorf hypothesis was a bullshit research, but the SSSM people like to use it, along with the whole idea that language affects your thinking, as evidence that culture > genetics.
Weren't there at least some nuggets of wisdom associated with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, at least? When we studied it in Sociology the teacher made a pretty damn good point that a people whose only words associated with numbers was "none, one, two, many" will probably not develop advanced calculus.
I love monstergirls but hate furries
>>48043668
>take a look at /a/, every thread can be easily summed up as a "I dont have a girlfriend and it bothers me thread number #812357235023852389050238052358"
Every thread on /a/ is about flavor of the month opinions on anime, what the fuck are you going on about?
>>48043690
>a people whose only words associated with numbers was "none, one, two, many" will probably not develop advanced calculus
So someone who doesn't have a calculating method more complicated than an abacus can't design a videogame?
Truly a peerless observation.
>>48043657
>>48043690
It always seemed a bit off for me because often I think in image, patterns, colors and other things. Even for complex thougts, it's like a mind language that I only understand and can't really explain.
So I don't feel really limited by my language
>>48040891
>Get a real girlfriend.
Fuck off white knight.
>>48043668
You're thinking of /r9k/, and even then the robots aren't glorifying waifus, they're demonizing people who actually got their dick/pussy wet during high school.
It's rage at a wasted youth, these people deserve our pity.
>>48043690
>a people whose only words associated with numbers was "none, one, two, many"
It's true that some peoples only count "one-two-many". But this is consistent in that children have no problems with one and two, and learn to count above that with more difficulty, suggesting that it' how our brains work naturally. There are also common features to this phenomenon (the counting stopping at three, for instance, I'm not 100% with that), which means that this is not a cultural phenomenon, but a representation of how our brain works expressed in language.
Your teacher can't say "jungle niggers are dumb and therefore can't count to three", so she says "oh, it's just how their language happened to develop, so unfortunately they aren't going to progress to advanced math. Oh well." In the niggers' defense, they don't need to use numbers above three anyway.
>>48040836
The issue is this. We do whats best for the party and task at hand. Why would we care if the barbs girlfriend is having issues at home? Catgirls a shit and if his motivation is solely lust as a player why would i or anyone support it?
While i personally enjoy centaurs and would want to visit the centaurland, again, why would the party as a whole want to visit this place. If we did visit this magical land could i roll to cuck the paladin of every centaur he lays eyes on? Whats that? Thats mean? But thats my magical realm. You just said we're allowing those hence our visit to centaurland. There's boundaries? But we're about to fuck horses with human faces pasted on and you're talking boundaries? Do we suddenly need to check people's feefees before we do this? Should i get a notary and bibliographer so we can settle on what fetishes are or aren't allowed?
See how that suddenly makes things anti-fun real quick? I guarantee you if we visit catland and centaur land someone is going to get angry that we all refuse to visit futa land or pregger land as well. Suddenly we have to do this gauntlet to cater to each individually while the others hate that particular leg of the trip. Its just plain retarded.
>>48043751
yeah, both /a/ and /r9k/ are basically 90% about loneliness but /a/ gives me this vibe of people who would fuck their pillow and than cry about it while /r9k/ gives me this school shooter vibe
>>48043657
>different language gives you abilities to think differently. After all, if words were equal to thoughts, why do we sometimes struggle to express what we think in words?
The way I understand the issue could be absolutely retarded, but I don't think anyone claims language precedes thought. Language is merely a tool for translation, unfortunately it's not perfect, and it loses information or changes it. As such language gives limits to communication. Different languages would give different limits. Humans are so affected by their peers and interaction with them, surely this would affect them in turn somehow.
>>48043732
>can't really explain
and that's the issue. You'll never be able to fully translate and convey all your thoughts and sensations, they'll never be shared with the people around you, and they'll be lost when you die. Maybe language doesn't limit you on the inside, but it keeps you locked in.
>>48043800
No, /a/ isn't really about loneliness at all. Filled with lonely people probably, but there isn't any >tfw no gf threads you claimed they have. You're kind of making this shit up my dude.
So what are some good reasons for a PC to actually have a romantic interest?
The only ones I've been able to pull off in my campaigns have been a single father trying to reunite with his wood-wife, and an Arthurian knight questing in the name of a nymph. The interests are characters, but most of the time is spent with them being legitimately useful NPCs with relevance to the plot.I guess what I'm saying is if you want a romantic interest, fucking tell your DM about it before the campaign starts. The sooner they can recognize the interest in adding a recurring NPC, the sooner they can figure out how to incorporate them into the story.
>>48043814
>You'll never be able to fully translate and convey all your thoughts and sensations, they'll never be shared with the people around you, and they'll be lost when you die. Maybe language doesn't limit you on the inside, but it keeps you locked in.
That reminds me, Is there a word for finding a word that perfectly fits the situation at hand?
Because there should be.
For all the words there are in the dictionary, whenever I write, I really don't know how to look up that one synonym that fits perfectly. It always seems to escape me.
>>48043814
>You'll never be able to fully translate and convey all your thoughts and sensations, they'll never be shared with the people around you, and they'll be lost when you die.
Like everyone else in the world?
You didn't understand tho, I can perfectly explain what I feel or think in my mother tongue. I just can't translate my "mind language"
And I don't think any languages can help me with that. I speek French, English, German and Spanish and not one of them helped me for that.
>>48043774
>Your teacher can't say "jungle niggers are dumb and therefore can't count to three", so she says "oh, it's just how their language happened to develop, so unfortunately they aren't going to progress to advanced math. Oh well." In the niggers' defense, they don't need to use numbers above three anyway.
>mfw my teacher also talked about how pygmies expressed surprise and confusion when faced with wide, open spaces, since they've lived their entire life in thick jungles
>mfw they supposedly called people from far away "bugs" that just "turned" into "people" when they got closer
I don't even know if that woman was racist anymore.Had a fantastic teacher that reasonably explained why black people fell into the ghetto, mostly due to the Highway Act and Great Society incentivizing welfare as a lifestyle and single mothers.
>>48040836
putting a anime face on something doesn't automatically make people want to fuck it retard
>>48043881
>Had a fantastic teacher that reasonably explained why black people fell into the ghetto, mostly due to the Highway Act and Great Society incentivizing welfare as a lifestyle and single mothers.
Shhhh, you'll trigger /pol/
>>48043868
>Is there a word for finding a word that perfectly fits the situation at hand?
Je ne sais quoi, which translates into "I don't know what." It's a French word, but most English speakers will know what you mean if using it in a conversation.
>>48043823
Literally 9 out of 10 threads on that cringy board is a 'discussion' about a drawing of a female character. Usually their appearance. That's all these losers do.
>>48043732
Yep. Humans think in images and patterns.
>>48043814
>I don't think anyone claims language precedes thought
You'd be surprised. That's why I am countersignaling linguistic relativity so much. It's an idea that is propagated based on an underlying agenda, not its scientific merit.
You are correct in that different languages express things differently, so sometimes it's easier to express things by foreign words or in a different language. That's how languages borrow words and phrases from eah other and how they evolve.
But I can assure you that you don't have to worry that your worldview is limited by the language you speak, or don't speak.
>>48043907
That isn't a >tfw no gf thread though. Shit dude, do you think talking about porn actresses is also >tfw no gf?
>>48043900
sentence more like
>>48043918
>Shit dude, do you think talking about porn actresses is also >tfw no gf?
Porn star discussions on /tv/ tend to be very pleasant, actually.
>>48043900
Ironically, not exactly what I'm looking for, but I'll take it. Thanks, anon.
>>48043881
>I don't even know if that woman was racist anymore.
Oh I am in no way implying your teacher was racist in any way, just that the leftist sociologists have to rationalize why some cultures are "different", or "more primitive" than others, and they can't take race or ethnicity into account because then they would be called racist.
>>48043925
Not really, it's a French phrase that functions as a single word in English conversation.
>>48043612
You don't really know what you're talking about. What you're describing is "purple" rhetoric, and that's the usage of particular tropes in order to get a visceral response to phrasing, as opposed content. That's unscrupulous, but it has nothing to do with the particular argument. People can have intelligent, well-informed opinions that happen to side with a particular group. For example, I'm in favor of Brexit because I believe in sovereignty of a nation-state, and protectionism-based mercantilism in the context of neo-colonial globalization. Other people were in favor of Brexit because they're losing their cultural identity to immigrants. Both myself and those other people would have voted the same way, you can't assume that what some "politician" says is quality argumentation, or even that impactful. People aren't "befuddled", they're mad about something, and someone is giving them a voice. That is the exact opposite of using any point to support any side.
>>48043630
That was a very convoluted and long-winded example to say something relatively simple. Proper argumentation is proper argumentation, and no one worth their salt is convinced by ad hominem or personal attacks.
I had an equally long-winded reply typed up, but you wouldn't have used your particular example if you understood what you were talking about. You're describing a consent-based society predicated on trustworthiness, as abstracted from the zeitgeist, which is almost correct, but still not persuasive argumentation. That's just how to influence someone with tidbits of biased information viewed at a glance through contemporary media.
You really haven't said a heck of a lot other than slander campaigns are effective in the absence of convincing argumentation.
>>48043918
My original point is that /a/ are depraved virgins and I dont see how a fact that 9 out of 10 threads on that board are about drawings of female characters and usually about their appearance goes against this.
That's what these people do 20 hours a day.
A dragon kidnapped the charming, pure princess. The adventurers risk life and limb to save her. The princess takes a liking to the fighter, who broke her chains and carried her out of the burning tower. Now she wants to meet him in secret.There are people on /tg/ that would be bothered by this.
>>48043944
>A french sentence function like a single word in English
Why? It's weird. You're weird.
When we borrown english sentences we don't try to act like it's just one word
>>48043962
i do
she didn't use the correct honorifics
>>48043961
That sure is a lot of
>implications
I could say that 9 out of 10 threads on /tg/ are about magical realms and that they spend 20 hours a day on them. It holds just as much ground as you have.
>>48043962
>There are people on /tg/ that would be bothered by this.
It honestly depends on the way the DM portrays the princess.
I've seen DMs that could pull off the princess straight up getting on her knees by the campfire and giving him a blowjob, but at the same time I've met DMs that could make something as simple as a kiss seem cringeworthy.
>>48043970
>Why? It's weird. You're weird.
It's just how English works, senpai.
>>48043947
I'm no sociologist, but I don't understand how slander, if effective at convincing someone of a point, is any different from argumentation.
I mean, if you're just going to use logic, call it logic.
But I don't know enough about how debate works to justify my position. If I knew how to talk to people, I'd do that instead of, say, math.
>>48043881
She's more or less right. There's also the issue of self imposed lower class. Basically they have a culture and lifestyle they are proud of and define it as distinctly "black". Rap, gangs, general ghetto living, even low grades, fashion, and food. If you veer from these things you're attempting to be "white" and therefore must hate the "black" culture and the people therein. Suddenly your family and friends hate you and you get picked on for trying to be successful by societies standards at large. They even hate you working hard at work as that is also viewed as "white". Theres been a piss ton of studies and all point to this being a self imposed issue that they must merely want to get rid of but that also means shedding a cultural identity they covet which in itself is viewed as racist and asking them to shed it is also racist so they get burried and forgotten and those who did the studies become pariahs and thus no progress is made.
>>48044073
I see more or less the same thing in France with arab ghetto.
Whites who don't act like them are bullied, arabs who don't act like them are bullied too. Many friends of mine faked to be bad in class and aimed for average grade to not be assaulted
>>48043846
I once had a character who's entire reason for adventuring was his business couldn't support the seven kids he's made over the seven years he's been with hisKitsunewife, and now goes out to adventure partially to pay for a bigger home and partially to get some alone time doing what he unhappily retired from.
Our Kitsune rogue tried to get busy with her when we had to lay low at at home, the wife played along beforeripping off his balls.
>>48044049
>But I don't know enough about how debate works to justify my position. If I knew how to talk to people, I'd do that instead of, say, math.
It's not sociology, it's post-structural political theory. Slander is effective because democracy is based on consent, and consent is predicated on the trustworthiness of the authority you choose to represent you. While it may be fundamentally impossible to critique a certain point of view, by critiquing the individual you "humanize" them. The average person wouldn't consent to an authority they thought was lesser than themselves, and by bringing into question an individual's moral fiber, you're in essence critiquing their applicability for the particular position. The inverse is also true, look at Obama. His campaign for change and humility in office was effective because it positioned him as greater than the average politician, to which people were already consenting to. This is not a logical critique, this is an ad-hominem logical fallacy. It may be convincing, but it doesn't refute the points raised by the other person, it just characterizes yourself in a better light relative to that person's position. Here is a handy chart to give you information on what makes a good argument and what makes a bad argument.Now, if you're going to talk shit about social sciences, at least be informed in them. I may not have a degree in literature, but I know enough about literature to be competent at it. I recognize I know nothing about calculus, and as a result I don't discuss it critically.
>>48043881
>Had a fantastic teacher that reasonably explained why black people fell into the ghetto
This is another example of the prevailing attitude in sociology that everything can be explained by societal influence and genetics don't exist. It's sad, because it holds back the field by discouraging or outright banning any research conecting biology and sociology. I've seen it happen many times over the years.
>>48043657
>After all, if words were equal to thoughts, why do we sometimes struggle to express what we think in words?
I don't know how much I agree with the rest of your statementI largely do, given my Political Science backgroundbut that's an entirely valid point I hadn't considered at all.
>>48044173
I talk shit about everything, to be honest. If you want my personal opinion on computers ( I'll give it to you even if you don't, and I work with them constantly), it's a miracle that anything goddamned works at all.
Thanks for the handy dandy image on how to argue, though. I needed a new background, and I'll print it out when I get the chance.
>>48044049
Slander in debate usually means you have no way to actively defend your stance from a logical view point. This gets your arguement thrown out the window.
Ex:if women worked as many overtime hours as men and cut down their time of maternity leave by 3 weeks on average they'd make more than men.
Response one: some women need that time for families(this also goes for men and will probably be called out next)
Response two: not all women are immediately capable of working within the first month after giving birth. Birth is a complicated process that can cause lasting harm to the mother and attempting to fit a one size fits all solution is a technical impossibility.(ignores half the arguement and will again be called out next.)
Response three: you're just a man so you wouldn't understand! You're probably a virgin or have a small penis since you don't have a steady woman. What? Can't even get an ugly woman to have sex with you? Too busy with your overtime?(this gets you booted from a debate and your argument ignored.)
Debating a point should always come from a logically solid standpoint and if its actual debating and not just discussion feelings should NEVER be used no matter how well meaning as they are inherently illogical in nature and can taint the subject with your actual convictions.
This is why when scientists say "blacks have the lowest IQ." Its not racist as its not from a place of personal conviction but from a place of logical standing with a foundation based on studies and research.
>>48044176
>It's sad, because it holds back the field by discouraging or outright banning any research connecting biology and sociology. I've seen it happen many times over the years.
It's not exactly difficult to see the road that started at Reconstruction and ended at the ghetto when it's laid out for you in a lecture, anon.
Black people moved North for factory work, the factory owners realized they can get lower wages by encouraging racial strife between white workers and black workers, mortgage rates gradually forced black people away from white neighborhoods and into black ones, commonly in the city (where the factories were.)
Highway Act of the 1956 created the suburb and eliminated the need for people to even go into the inner city, destroying black businesses. Lyndon B. Johnson saw things going to hell in a handbasket in urban centers, created the Great Society that promoted welfare as a lifestyle (it paid more than the nonexistent factory jobs) and encouraged men to pump n' dump because single mothers got paid more than those in family units (the baby daddy can still come and visit, of course.)
After that? The rest was caused by social malaise caused by a listless society; the urban black was poor, had a bleak outlook on existence, and was given tons of free time since work was literally optional. When you've got nothing to do but sit on an apartment stairwell, you're going to start trying out drugs to escape that dismal life.
>>48044226
No problem, you only know what you know, ya know? I'm happy to help.
>>48041947
>unirionically says "christcuckery"
>g-go b-b-back to /pol/!
>>48044196
It's because we're first and foremost animals and thus think in shapes and wordless concepts. We don't naturally think in words nor is language a natural way to express these but they're all we have and as social creatures we must have something. Language fails ultimately at this and thus it's hard to use sometimes to attempt to accurately translate an ultimately untranslatable concept or thought. This is why we hesitate from time to time as there's just so many words and so many ways to interpret them that even with decades of practice our brains sort of seize up trying to work out something it wasn't purpose built to handle.
>>48044176
While there is definitely a lot of "self-inflicted" harm in the black community today (not so much African American community, as the two are distinctly different), >>48044249 is also very much correct. There were two great ironies of the Civil War: Abraham Lincoln was the Confederacies best friend in the US, and the person who got fucked the hardest by Reconstruction was the Black Man (Specifically the Appalachian Black Man).
In addition to the things the other guy mentioned, before Jim Crow there were no racial restrictions on voting for men - this meant that black men were a sudden and valuable asset to the Republican and Democratic Party. Black Southerners were outright bribed by Republicans to vote for Republican interests (because they quite understandably hated the Democratic Party), and then got their shit routinely kicked in by Democrat hit-squads for doing so. Northern Carpetbaggers came down South and then began to plunder the local economies, hiring predominantly black men from the local communities to work their mines or lay railroad track (as they'd work for far cheaper), before moving on to greener pastures after a few years, leaving the black man with no job and a royally pissed-off community of poor whites whose job he took. Once they moved to the cities in the Urban Migration, it wasn't much better - turns out Yankees are just as racist as Southerners were. The other guy largely picks it up from there.
t. History student who married into the black community.
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>>48041947
*teleports behind u*
*unsheathes fedora*
psst nothin personel kid
*tips you*
>>48044346
On the other hand, our ability to learn and understand language is as naturally evolved as our ability to breathe or our want to have sex. Some call it "the language instinct". It's why a child can learn complex grammar rules and thousands of words in a year. When they're two years old.
>>48044418
Its more or less like our liver and alcohol. Its just better developed but not MADE for it and thus we hit walls.
>>48044397
No matter how hard race denialists try to shill their hypotheses, the hate facts always pop up and ruin their fun. Even when taking into account socioeconomic status, IQ is always going to be lower in blacks, violence and and crime rates are always going to be higher in blacks, blacks are always going to lead in single motherhood and stay behind in education. Meaning that removing all societal influence, niggers gonna nig.
I don't even remember what the OP's post was about at this point.
>>48044491
Don't bring it up, OP is exceptionally faggot today
>>48044418
The human mind's mutability, especially at young ages, is really quite impressive.
>>48044456
While we're taking the /tg/ sociology field trip, you just reminded me about how allegedly beer at least partially drove the development of human society.
Someone with more clout in the ancient history can answer, but the idea was that farming and dedicated specialists were required to make more beer, which fit nicely into the development of agricultural societies and either rode its coattails or was a potent motivator for them. Apparently this is also why beer is considered a symbol of civilization.
>>48042004
>You forgot your reaction images. How am I supposed to judge your articulate ad hominem arguments based on just two lines of green text?
The ad-hom argument is "you know summerfags fill up the board in the summer, so just ignore them".
>>48044520
>Someone with more clout in the ancient history can answer, but the idea was that farming and dedicated specialists were required to make more beer, which fit nicely into the development of agricultural societies and either rode its coattails or was a potent motivator for them.
Beer was a social lubricant that made it possible for early man to "deal with" large numbers of other people in the same place for their entire natural life. It made a sedentary existence working the same fucking patch of dirt worthwhile.
I mean really, consider the lifestyle Neolithic man was giving up in exchange for a reliable food supply. Hunter-gatherer life was rough, but it came naturally to people.
>>48044414
BACK OFF???
>>48044520
It was a driving force for better crop management and lead the way for hybridization and crop experimentation in general. It also has roots in early medicine fields as it goes hand in hand with herbalism in the same villages and see what works. Oh, that willow bark made your teeth hurt less when you chewed it? Lets shove that in our beer and see what happens. Some even made the discover your teeth lasted longer with a dash of lemon juice in your morning small beer and that small beer itself was a safe way of drinking water for some reason (alcohol disinfects but they didn't know that). It may also have contributed to alchemy in the asian regions but we're not wholly sure as they didn't keep great records of that.
Got wheat? Well shit lets make more next year for more beer! But we already had our fields full last year....better find a way to grow more crops in the same space.
>>48044593
Isn't there supposed to be an exclamation mark in there somewhere?
>>48044249
I suppose that black people in Africa also suffered some kind of gross misjustice in the past, since they have been living much worse than african americans for thousands of years.
Also, what about african immigrants in Europe? What excuse do they have for disproportionally commiting all kind of crime imaginable? They're also living in sort-of ghettos.
>>48044608
Im not up to date on my shitposts, sorry m8
>>48044491
>, IQ is always going to be lower in blacks, violence and and crime rates are always going to be higher in blacks, blacks are always going to lead in single motherhood and stay behind in education.
Ironically, 500 years ago the exact same thing would have been said by Middle Easterners about Europeans and been 100% correct.
>Meaning that removing all societal influence, niggers gonna nig.
A. You can't remove social influences unless you get a feral child, and that causes a whole host of different problems in that scenario.
B. Our understanding of genetics isn't comprehensive enough to make the claim that it will ALWAYS be the case.
C. What little, if any, genetic markers that can POSSIBLY (hint: not conclusively) be linked to lower overall intelligence are woefully insignificant compared to social factors. You mean to tell me that a black American that was raised going to private, elite schools by parents who have constantly pushed education and a desire for knowledge is going to be somehow less intelligent than a white Gypsy (whether you may want to admit it or not, Gypsies are Caucasian, and therefore genetically "white") who grew up stealing shit on the street their entire life with less than an 8th-grade education?
Attributing everything to racial genetics (which is a poorly-understood field AT BEST) is grossly ignorant of how human societies work, and the INCREDIBLE pressures that it puts on how human beings develop, good and bad.
>>48043322
>when anon doesn't understand the post but really wants to reply anyway
>>48044612
>Also, what about african immigrants in Europe? What excuse do they have for disproportionally commiting all kind of crime imaginable?
Uh, the complete and total breakdown of their societies (if they even had them) by European colonial powers who didn't even have the common courtesy to replace what they supplanted with a half-functioning system of their own, instead focusing purely on resource extraction and cockblocking other Europeans from getting territory in Africa?
>>48040836
It's just stupid, it wastes time and tends to have little to do with the general plot.
Adventurers tend to have better things to do with their time than getting waifus, like saving the fucking world.
>>48044612
Not even going to open up the can of worms that is "why are Africans in Africa so shitty?" So I'll just focus on the African immigrants in Europe question. Don't even got to write a lot about it, fairly simple anwer.
>Also, what about african immigrants in Europe?
They're literally retarded bumfuck peasants that grew up in a non-functional society which placed enormous emphasis on hyper-masculinity and beating down women. They commit so many crimes in Europe because they *literally think* it's okay to rape a woman if her car broke down and she wants their help. It's like asking why Deep South white people are absurdly racist inbred hillbillies, it's because of their upbringing and culture.
>They're also living in sort-of ghettos.
The problem with being a technical retard moving to a post-industrial society is you generally won't find a lot in the way of work. Ahmed can't read, but he *can* push a button. Oh wait, what's that? France doesn't need people to push buttons anymore? Well shit, guess Ahmed is going to work at the grocery store. Wait wait, he can't speak French good? Well shit, guess he'll have to make do at the "ethnic" grocery store, which is populated by the very people he moved into France with.
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>>48044702
>It's like asking why Deep South white people are absurdly racist inbred hillbillies, it's because of their upbringing and culture.
Anon I hope you're joking
>>48042059
Benevolent shitposting is real.
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>>48044646
Calling bait at this point. Took me too long, so I have to give you credit.
>>48042224
>>not fighting through orcish hordes and daemon lords for the chance to shit in the world's only porcelain throne
Mfw this entire thread
>>48044073
Poor white cultures do the same thing. It's just a side-effect of being part of a marginalized subgroup.
>>48042979
There's also more than one D&D, but most people talking about "D&D" without specifying mean Pathfinder.
>>48044737
>posts coherent points about an extremely complicated topic
>Points out centuries of European dickery in Africa MIGHT be part of the reason why Africans aren't doing so hot
>IT MUST BE BAIT
Nobody ever said Black Americans/Africans were completely innocent. They're saying that the system wasn't exactly on their side from the start.
>>48044798
>centuries of European dickery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63PN2bxAXE
>>48044845
Nobody is asking for you to apologize. Just acknowledge that it happened, and that it was bad.
>>48042929
This sorrow pleases me
>>48044760
Funny enough, marginalization and the threat of taking what little they have left is what creates terrorism.
Osama Bin Laden, and indeed radical Islam in general, was a reaction to Middle Eastern culture growing more Western. It's a push-back, further proved by how the most enthusiastic terrorists tend to be from, or had enjoyed, Western society.
>this fucking thread
4chan's literacy always impresses me. Give yourselves a pat on the back, there are some bright, educated people in this thread.
There are also complete idiots, but I guess that's to be assumed everywhere, particularly here, so I'm not really surprised.
/tg/ is a high-tier board.
>>48041793
Kek, what kind of church do you go to anon, a Unitarian one? I've been to more than a dozen churches of various size over the years (I live in the Bible Belt, go figure) and the Unitarian Church was the only one that was what you are describing.
>>48044971
>Osama Bin Laden, and indeed radical Islam in general, was a reaction to Middle Eastern culture growing more Western. It's a push-back, further proved by how the most enthusiastic terrorists tend to be from, or had enjoyed, Western society.
The leaders may be pushed towards it because of that, but most of the followers got hardlined because they grew up under Soviet repression of what was prior to then a fairly secular version of Islam.
Posting from a phone or else I would post one of those pictures of women in 1950s Kabul wearing skirts.
>>48044927
He's coming back to confront his original party at some point, having internally blamed everything on the person who kicked him while he was down.
They're probably going to ask why he's Lawful Evil now, and I think he's going to have a fun time explaining that.
>>48044798
Dude, honestly, I have to call you a shill or an elaborate troll at this point. You're going exactly by the leftist ideological checklist.
Race denialism, slavery, colonization, bringing up evil white people oppressing minorities, etc. Using every (((leftist))) argument I got tired of responding to long time ago.
>>48045038
>bringing up evil white people oppressing minorities
Nobody but yourself is calling white people evil. The sins of the father should not pass down to the son, but the sins have still been committed, and the son has a chance to set things right or ignore it.
>>48045027
I wish I could see that reaction, anon. Unless everything goes full shonen, they work out all their problems, and use friendship to free him from the demon lord
>>48045163
He's actually delaying the meeting on purpose, because he believes that the party's seen so much evil that if they come across him before some good news they'll go full grimdark.
>>48041959
SNOUT = OUT FURFAGGOT
YIFF IN HELL
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>>48042500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9t-7obV2AQ
>>48041858
I know that this is bait, but it still triggers me immensely.The lyrics go "do you understand, it's all in your hands, it's your move".
If it was all in the listener's head, then it wouldn't matter what they did; they could make a move or not, nothing would change either way. But the singer is explicitly saying that they have to make a move, time is running out; the listener is being forced to act and make a solid decision, because it's all in their hands. Also, "understand" doesn't rhyme with "head".
Sure, "it's all in your head" gives it more of a psychedelic feel, but at the cost of a sense of panic and urgency sleeping underneath the chill voice.
>>48043895
Man, all of a sudden I want to fug it.
