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RESOURCES

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

>CARD SEARCHING

>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
http://www.magiccards.info

Topic: What is the worst card in your deck and why is it still in there?
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CONTINUING TO OFFER MY SERVICES

Tell me your deck's Commander and what it does, I'll try to give it a 「 S T A N D 」 name
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>>48034922

Pic related grindy hand destruction and value.
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>>48034350
>>48034257
>>48034233
What? How so? Deal 6 to each opponent.

Seriously.

Assume I have 10 goblins, I target Zada. Trigger on the stack. Resolve first Fiery Gambit, lose on the first flip. Move on, resolve second fiery gambit, win 1 flip, lose the second, nothing happens. Okay, third goblin, I get lucky, win two flips, kill the goblin, deal 6 to each opponent.

It is about a 1in8 chance of getting all three effects. So, if you have 8+ goblins, you are likely drawing 9 cards and untapping all your lands. In addition to dealing 6 to each opponent for however many times you hit 2, which is 1in4.
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>>48034975
Gambit's fine. It's Ignition that doesn't work.
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>>48034954
「 Q U E E N O F T H E D A M N E D」
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>>48034975
We were talking about Chandra's Ignition you sillybilly

And since we're talking about Zada, I need some SPICY tech
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>>48034922
Soul Sisters lifegain, exile and smash with ghost uncle
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>>48035016
Oh. Well, yeah.

It is fun in decks that can run stuff like Mark of Asylum.
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>>48035037

Perfection
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>>48034922
Kataki stax and white supremacy

Speaking of which, I'm adding Soul Sculptor, Vigilant Martyr, Crackdown, and Planar Guide. I need to figure out what the fuck to cut besides pulsemage advocate. Pls halp /tg/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kataki-wars-wage-edh-2/
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>>48035038
My rule about Zada is even the world's shittiest pump spell is amazing in that deck. I know people usually just run the good ones that cantrip, but fuck that. Kill people FAST.
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>>48034922
Neat. I'm building a new deck that is based around Geist of Saint Traft and banding.
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>>48034922
Horobi as the Commander. (There's really only one way to build him.)
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>>48035051
「 U N C L E K R A C K E R」
「 B I G P O P P A 」
「 T A X M A N」

>>48035073
This is actually really fun.

>>48035089
「 F U T I L E D E V I C E S 」
「 F O R W H O M T H E B E L L T O L L S 」

>>48035107
「 G H O S T F A C E K I L L A H 」

>>48035149
「 W A I L I N G S O U L S 」
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What do you think?
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>>48034922
Gwafa Hazid. Tons of Will of the Council and UW stuff from past Commander products that enable multiplayer interactions for them sweet politics. Along with pillowfort and Mind Control effects to steal big threats.
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>>48035232
Love it.
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>>48034922
My competitive deck which needs more fast.
Even if it means less fun, that is what my other decks are for.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saffi-eriksdotter-2016/
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>>48035232
Pretty excited. The flavor is out of control and that ability is good too

I might actually build a deck with them
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>>48035232

I think I might turn Gisa into them, especially since I already have a Monoblack deck. Gisa is probably stronger commander, but GG might be better on the whole with Blue because of things like Rooftop Storm and Havengul Lich.

>tfw casting Sidisi every turn
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>>48035246
「 H O O D P O L I T I C S」

>>48035267
「 B R I N G M E T O L I F E」

「 B R I N G M Y B A B Y B A C K 」
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>>48035305
>tutor Conspiracy
>play Conspiracy
>name Zombie
>mill/pitch your own stuff
>cast fuckhuge sea monsters, demons and Eldrazi for free off Rooftop Storm
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>>48035267

From one Saffi player to another, you are on the right track, but can do a lot more. You're more goodstuff than mine, which is fine, but you're missing some great tech. You're especially lite on sac outlets.

First and foremost, get Blasting Station. It's a wincon all by itself in Saffi. I like having a Creature sac outlet that I can tutor with Worldly/Chord, so I also like the new Flight Moonsilver anger with Delirium from SOI. Other sac outlets like Martyrs Cause can't hurt, either.

Next, Angel of Glory's Rise is fantastic with Saffi, and offers more potential wins. You have plenty of value humans, but Mirror Entity is also a human, too. Add a Fiend Hunter with it because it also combos with Sun Titan.


Just some quick thoughts
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Is hokori or kataki the more fun stax deck?
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>>48035381
>Add Overeager Apprentice
>keep discarding creatures
>recast Apprentice for free
>still get BBB floating
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>>48035475
Hokori can be evil. Kataki would probably be better in the 99 of a "blow up everything" Boros deck
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>>48035475
hokori is stronger but it'll paint more of a target on your head because people will assume you're also playing smokestack esque stuff and a lot of people REALLY don't like playing under hokori cough sheldon cough.
kataki is good in the sense that very few people will spend removal on it/go after you for playing it. Also less artifacts adds room for cards like topplegeist or blinding angel (which reads: "Mono green decks lose unless they have a hornet queen or beast within or somthing")
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>>48035540
Did the Sheldonator get blown out by Hokori or something?
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>>48035515
>Once per turn
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>>48035574
not to my knowledge, it's just that casual players think anything that harms their lands is sacrilege
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>>48035620
To be fair, when I sit down to play a fun fuckaround game with my friends, I'm not really gonna have a great time if my turns are "Draw, discard, pass" because I'm not being allowed to play Magic.
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>>48035605

U wot m8
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>>48034922
I try to rush Rakdos out by turn four if possible and then cover him in enchantments and artifacts to beat my foe to death as quickly as possible.
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>>48035660
Considering how hard it is to make a Rakdos deck actually work?

「 S Y M P A T H Y F O R T H E D E V I L」
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>>48035232
Really digging it. The flavor is spot on.
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>>48035538
>>48035540
Basicly what i want to do is be archenemy at the table every time i play since it seems to work out like that anyway i want to earn it.
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>>48035787
So build Hokori, he can be a real bastard. Don't forget your Sword of F&F
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>>48035232
「 M R T W I N S I S T E R」
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>>48035811
Im going to get so much hate.
More like hokori tear drinker.
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>>48034922
Freezes time using stasis effects, then combos off to win
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>>48035931
Embrace it, friend anon

Use Mycosynth Lattice and Stony Silence for total lockdown
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>>48035955
「 M O O N A G E D A Y D R E A M」
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>>48035960
You're a fucker. Jesus Christ.
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>>48034922
Slobad, Stax and LD
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>>48034922
Aboshan, Cephalid emperor, Cephalid tribal
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>http://edhrec.com/random
Go here to find out your next commander! Hard Mode: Actually use the computerized decklist generator
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>>48035960
Will i even be able to do anything besides attack after i do that?
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>>48036142
「 M A C H I N E H E A D 」

>>48036155
「 M U R M A I D E R」

I think I'm tapped out. Bedtime.
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>>48036171
I couldn't do it tonight, but if you guys wanted we could do a game on Untap/Cockatrice with all using a random general and a generated decklist, sounds kinda fun though we'd have to trust that the decklists are the ones generated.
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>>48036186
Yes

Get the efficient beaters/Voltron package out (however small) before you set the lock. And an Orb of Dreams and Amulet of Vigor to keep your shit untapped while fucking everyone else over
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>>48036171

IF IT CHANNELS MAMA AGAIN IT WILL BE DISSECTED

http://edhrec.com/deck/?q=jin-gitaxias,%20core%20augur
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>>48036225
That would be really fun.
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>>48034922
Jank, nothing but ETB jank.
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>>48036241
>that laboratory maniac
Is there actually a way to use him in that generated deck?
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>>48035657
I ordered a ton of the cards today and think I might add necrotic ooze encase this duder ends up in the grave.

I'm a bit mad I forgot to pick up coffin queenand raving dead for spice.
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its a 4 mana sorin i love it.now i need to make x copys of it, where x is the number of players a the table, and then humility with there abilitys on the stack.
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>>48036271
Okay, last one.
「 E N T E R T H E S O U L」
「 E T E R N A L G R O O V E」
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>>48036320
got your commander right here famalam
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>>48034922
Ertai the Corrupted. It's a hard Stax/Prison deck. Also my most expensive at just under 6k.
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>>48034922
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sen-triplets-political-pillowfort-kingmaker/
Sen Triplets with a theme for Politics, King-Making, and recently "Hands Revealed" theme. (Not listed on deck list)
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>>48034922
Either Mimeoplas: Toolbox - Combo
or Hidetsugu: Punisher- Group Suicide
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>>48035694
> not DEVIL MAY CRY
ONE
JOB
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>>48036320
Going into my Meren deck along with that new vampire bitch that makes people sac 3 creatures.
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>>48034922
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>>48036320
I love how someone said this would be unplayable in edh, like tap shenanigans and dropping a creatures toughness to one is impossible in edh
> drop trees hp to one
> tap shenanigans until everyone's life is at one
> laugh as you tap some jank card to do one damage to all opponents
He's fun, can be in colors where you flicker to avoid exile, too bad he can't target yourself
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>>48036572

>Tree goes to 1
>switch with opponent
>tree now 40
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>>48036320
>>48036354
do it for the glory
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-06-16-hFP-mimeoplasm/

Since it got ignored last thread, maybe now you faggots will give some advice or hate?
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>>48036792
>power
> not toughness

Fug so close. Is there something that's similar to that ability that damages through toughness instead?
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>>48034922
Stall long enough with counters and boardwipes until I play Enter the Infinite and scrap together a win condition from there. Lab Maniac and Leveller sometimes make an appearance.
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>>48036839
Only things that affect the creatures controller.
Unless Doran is good enough for you.
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So /tg/ I need some help. I am trying to decide on cutting Lightning Greaves for Asceticism, and Sylvan Library for Cream of the Crop.

Reasons being, I have more than 1 important creature, and they all need some loving, not just one specific one. That and I do not have enough shuffle effects for Sylvan to be that important, but I cant count how many times that extra card draw has helped, nor can I count how many times I wish I would have drawn a Thassa instead of a Sylvan (both are in the deck).

What do you people think?
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>>48035051
You gotta list for that?
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>>48034922
Passive twin casting, twin casting and when I cast a sorcery it casts an instant from my graveyard.
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>>48034922
Druidball, makes fuckloads of mana.
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>>48036644
Of course it takes a little work, but repeatedly turning the tree to uno isn't very hard, the commander already linked is one way since you're already doing tap shenanigans.

That or you just swap with a karlov player, get the tree to some Ritchie ridiculous toughness, give assign toughness, trample or some other bullshit.

Multiple ways to have fun. I'm sure the guy who was getting signatures on his triskadeabipboopbopbadiddlydoobopaphobiboo died of an erection after seeing this thing
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>>48037038
I find it hard to believe you don't have a card in your deck worse than Sylvan Library that can't be replaced instead.
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>>48035694
>Considering how hard it is to make a Rakdos deck actually work?
It really isn't.
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>>48037262
I could, but at this rate my other options would be:

Austere Command
Cyclonic Rift
Curse of the Swine
Return to Dust
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>>48037307
>he plays curse of the swine
laughingspikes.jpg
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>>48037247

I'm probably going to turn my Alesha into Anafenza Enchantress to kill people with Teiskadekafuckyou. It could probably work in Alesha because of the haste, but green has better recursion.
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>>48034922
Prossh, infinite combo with food chain/phyrexian altar/ashnod altar

Win cons are usually Purphoros/Blood Artist damage, Skullmulcher to cast my whole deck for free, or just voltron equip Prossh with infinite unblockable damage
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>>48034922

Makes the opponent choose what creatures to sacrifice to Kresh
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>>48036171
Go home Edhrec, you're drunk.
http://edhrec.com/deck/?q=talrand,%20sky%20summoner
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>>48037314
What's the matter with curse of the swine?
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>>48037450
it's a slow sorcery that deals with creatures after they've had time to do their thing
the pigs can be a bad time
takes 5 mana to get 3 guys and unless you're exiling one dude's creatures you're making like 3 enemies
it's like siphon mind but worse because no one likes getting critteremoved
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>>48034922
Good Ol' Oloro,esper fuck you with a bunch of combos,with a enchantment prison subtheme
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WE GOT RED DONATE BOYS
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>>48037541
>「 I A M A H U G E F U C K I N G F A G G O T」
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>>48037576
>tail has a mouth
PANIC
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>>48037576
Holy shit.
>file name
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>>48037576
What a strange set to print it in.
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>>48037576
Nice. I can't wait to try and give someone a Demonic Pact with this.
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>mfw tooth and nail for kiki jiki and massacre wurm and copying wurm with the trigger on the stack
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>>48036217
Turnabout, targeting you, choosing lands.
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Thinking of building some decks, who would be good commanders for a mass discard deck and a steal yo shit deck?
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>>48038497

Dragon lord silumgar?
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>>48035464
desu I play in a graveyard heavy meta so exiling all zombies actually has a ton of value, so Angel is worth looking into.
I didn't even realize w finally got a creature based sac outlet, so getting on of those.
And yeah, blasting station and fiend hunter is on my to-be-bought list.

Also need to look into a bit faster ramp, but it'd be a pity to take out the pod theme.
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>>48038511
>>48038497
This.

Also consider:
Cao Cao, Lord of Wei
Crosis, the Purger
Gwendlyn Di Corci
Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
Nicol Bolas
Sedris, the Traitor King
or a personal favorite for extreme value
Sygg, River Cutthroat
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What are some decent wincons for Jori En that don't involve infinite combos?
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>>48034922
UG Ezuri. Its a wizard tribal list that plays a lot of tutors. Has cards that abuse 1/1 counters like Walker, Squid dude and Sage of Hours. Tooth and Nail into Craterhoof + Hornet Queen or Avenger of Zendikar.
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>>48034922
Mizzix, focusses on copying instants and sorceries to set shit on fire and make a big stack battle
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>>48039344
echo mage + time stretch

pyromancer's goggles + doubling cube + turnabout +comet storm

rite of replication + precursor golem + anger
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>>48037576
OH BABY

RED
RED
RED
RED
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>>48035149
Dakkon Blackblade control with barely any non-land permanents, an endless procession of boardsweepers, and ways to save Dakkon from sweepers.
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>>48036171
>http://edhrec.com/random

I got Sedris, and I just built a Sedris deck last week.

Looks like my work here is done.
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>>48036171
>Feldon
>tfw already have 3 mono-red decks
Fuck
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>>48034922
This big guy, basically just classic Kazuul, forcing people to attack either me or each other while I build an army of ogres and copy Kazuul's ability with Strionic resonator
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>>48039344
Eye of the Storm and Knowledge Exploitation isn't infinite.

Neither is Mind's Desire.

Or hitting people with a big Fall of the Titans.
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>>48034922
darien suicide white, if that makes sense

i use as many effects as mono-w has to pay life/take damage to do things, and use soul sisters/lifelink to keep myself from dying

also has way too much wrath protection
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You could just play ashes of the fallen instead of conspiracy in GG, 2 mana is a lot nicer than 5.
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>>48036376
「 M A N W H O S O L D T H E W O R L D 」
「 T H E W A R D E N 」

>>48036387
「 T H R E E ' S C O M P A N Y 」

>>48036398
「 D E T H S U P P O R T 」

「 P U N I S H E R 」
「 H E A R T L E S S B R E A K E R S 」

>>48036561
「 I F O U G H T T H E L A W 」

>>48037093
「 D O U B L E B A R R E L 」

>>48037117
「 D A N C E O F T H E D R U I D S 」

>>48037389
「 U N O R I G I N A L S I N 」
「 S K Y H U N T E R 」

>>48037401
「 D I F F I C U L T C H O I C E 」

>>48037541
「 L A Z Y B O Y E M P I R E 」

>>48040870
「 K I N G S N E V E R D I E 」
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>>48040589
「 C O M E A T M E B R O 」
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>>48035232
>During each of your turns...

Couldn't the wording just be "During your turn"?
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>>48041022
It's the same wording as Karador. The running theory is that if they just had it as "during your turn" people might think you only got to do it once.
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>>48034922

Focuses on equipments and creatures with multiple abilities at a cheap cost, turning my board state into keyword salad during combat. Usually wins by double strike flying into people for lethal with weenies.
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>>48041109
「 G E N E R A L P U B L I C 」
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Eldrazi Boar
Emerge 6GGG

When you cast Edlrazi of Pronvinces, creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn.

Haste, Trample

Damn, I guess Craterhoof is really to good for standard, this seems like a good staple though, another overrun on a body with trample and haste.
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>>48041219
I wish I could cast these in decks that don't have green in them, like god intended.
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>>48041219
>10 mana or 9GGG
>just +2/+2 and trample
Why not make it like Overrun, what's wrong with +3/+3?
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>>48041219
Its a sacrifice effectin green. People will use it.
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>>48041599
9GGG, reduced by the cost of whatever body you feed it. You can hand it an Acidic Slime and it'll cost you 6G.
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>>48041599
6GGG and had it been +3 if you curve into it on turn 5 by sac'ing a 4 drop, it would end up being an uncounterable overrun alongside a 7/7 hastey in trampling body.
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>>48041617
Still feels underwhelming. At least on Animar it can be cast for nearly free if you want, that's the only reason I'm picking up a copy of each Emerger.
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>>48041617
Cmc. Only generic. Cmc is always generic. That's what the C in CMC is.
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>>48041643
The C in Converted Mana Cost stands for Generic?
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>>48041628
>it's on cast
Well fuck it doesn't even affect itself
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>>48041647
Haha. It stands for converted. As in converted to generic. Well, usually it means converted to a number, but yeah.

I looked it up, this is the first instance of rules text that reduces by CMC actually besides like Transmute artifact. But the cards that reduce by mana cost always don't used the word converted.

I guess it is understandably confusing.
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>>48041725
I keep conflating it with Offering, which did reduce by the actual mana cost.
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>>48041739
Right.

You know what is weird? They were pretty good about errata'ing old cards to use the new {C} symbol, but this card didn't get any new reminder text or clarification.

Fun card in Kruphix.
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>>48034922
Hazezon Tamar - Make sand warriors, ramp lands, haste enable.
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>>48041785
「 S A N D S T O R M 」
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>>48041805
This is still pretty fun. I guess I'll have to do a lot.

I just got that this Stand thing is Jojo. I've heard like six references to it since St. Traft.
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>>48034922
Mass graveyard growth, with a combination of reanimation and punishment.
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>>48034922
Elesh Norn - Lots of anthem effects, lots of tokens and weenies.
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>>48034922
Volrath.


Basically discards and punches people hard in the face
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>>48041826
Starting with Horde:

「 G O L D E N D A Y S 」
「 X G O N ' G I V E I T T O Y A 」
「 G O F O R T H A N D D I E 」
「 D A N G E R Z O N E 」
「 L E G E N D O F T H E K E E P E R 」
「 M O T H E R O F D R A G O N S 」
「 H I G H L A N D E R 」
「 S N A K E E Y E S 」
「 D O U B L E T R O U B L E 」

I had a better one for Reki the other day but I can't fucking remember it.

>>48041913
「 C H I L D R E N O F T H E G R A V E 」

>>48041957
「 P O R C E L A I N G I R L 」

>>48041977
「 H A T R E D ' S T O O E A S Y 」
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>>48042020
These are pretty fucking great to be honest. Thanks.
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>>48042020
>Not Porcelain God
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>>48042048
Didn't think of that one, sorry. I'm mostly just throwing out the first ones I think up or find.
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>>48041722
Damn, I missed that, that kinda sucks. It means you get it even if the guy gets cou8ntered, but you can't get the effect if you GSZ/Yisan/Chord it.
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>>48034922

Daxos the Returned. Pillowforst enchantment that wins by flooding the board with tokens.

While we're talking about Daxos, anyone have any advice on adds/cuts for my list? Been playing it for a while, and it's good, but I feel like tinkering with it a bit.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-06-16-daxos-the-returned/
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>>48042092
「 S A F E A N D S O U N D 」
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>>48042092
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>>48042092
pitch: necromancer's covenant, aura of silence, black market, ethereal armor, parallax wave, teysa, profane command

I personally got rid of empty the vaults and its ilk because I found more often than not it was a dead card. It's rare that enchantments die en masse and even if they did by that point the game is usually over, with bringing them all back mattering little due to their lack of immediate impact on the field. Sun titan is good enough for recursion IMO

get: thran dynamo, athreos, fate weaver, eidolon of rhetoric, spirit of the labyrinth, ghostly prison, eidolon of countless battles, urborg, bad moon, aegis of the gods, dictate of erebos, grim guardian, crypt ghast, land tax, journey to nowhere

spicy tech: herald of torment, no mercy, nyx fleece ram, kytheon

spiciest tech: thoughtrender lamia and pic related, activate on draw to lock your opponent out of using cards slower than instant speed and lock out their creatures while getting you a token
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>>48034922
Cheap etb creatures, ninjas and some stealing effects like thada, praetors grasp, and spelljack.
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>>48042362
Oooh, I'm actually about to start building a Vela deck. Different than yours though, other than Ninjas. Anyway-

「 L A D Y O F T H E N I G H T 」
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>Print a bunch of "When you cast X do Y" creatures
>Print a shitty Natural Order/Birthing Pod
>Find a creature and get none of it's on cast abilities
>???
thanks WoTC
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>>48042324
Returning enchantments to the battlefield also doesn't synergize with Daxos. Though returning them to your hand does.

This turns Daxos into a potential one hit KO. Though you still have to land the hit. I put it in my Daxos deck I'm building; only playtesting will see if worth.
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>>48042468
They're trending more towards "when you cast" triggers because they're harder to abuse.
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>>48042468
Eh. It is best for tutoring out utility. Sac a wood elves, get a slime. No biggy. All gravy. Plus, unlike pod and friends, it is or less, so feel free to sac Farhaven Elf for an Eternal Witness.
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>>48042493
I suppose, too bad it exiles itself though.
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>>48042532
Fair. I would just think of it as a Chord or Green variant. Just something to grab utility guys and place them into play here and there.

I actually don't hate it. Tutoring for Loaming Shaman or Shiekmaw and whatnot seems super useful.
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>>48034922
Cheap creatures, janky enchantments, burn, tokens, goblins, and humans.
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>>48042482
I tried it in Sigarda Enchantress, but I found that Ethereal Armor is more useful. Hits your enchantment triggers and whatnot.
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>>48043112
「 N O P I T Y F O R A C O W A R D 」
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>>48034922
I have an Oloro deck based around double upkeep shananigans, crazy draw, and artifact goodstuff.
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Found my next foil.
Maybe I'll throw it in Nekusar.
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>>48042468

Is this a reference to alf?
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>>48042324

>rare that enchantments die enough to make open the vaults *and its ilk* worth it

Damn I wish I could play my enchantress deck in your garbage meta, would have like 100% winrate
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>>48035331
>「 B R I N G M E T O L I F E」

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wq-ku3AwTA
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>>48042324

>taking out aura of silence

This guy is going full retard
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>>48041772
That's weird. But I guess that generic mana in this case = anus mana. There's no mention about it though and it's not necessary anyway.
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>>48043552
See >>48040962
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>>48043945
I can only assume, as that's how it works before the change. But it is a bit confusing if you want to cast Kozilek and it is your only source of {C}.

Most cards clarify, even stuff like Mana Echoes which specifies an amount of {C}. Just interesting. As far as I know, Elemental Resonance was the only one who did that sort of thing. Every other used CMC.
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>>48037389
would it be illegal if i printed out this out on a card and used it in casual edh play?
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>>48044159
"Illegal"? Technically no, because there's no such thing as Sanctioned EDH.

Whether or not your group thinks it's kosher is another story. Some might say "go for it", some might say "only if you have the real card", some might say "no".
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>>48034922
ZADA GOBLIN TRIBAL
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>>48044195
「 I N T H E H A L L O F T H E G O B L I N K I N G 」
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>>48043691
How much do you think it'll go for? Non foiled
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>>48043691
Looks great, probably a staple utility land for people not in blue.
>>48044745
Should be bulk, the activation cost is probably too much for eternal formats, maybe fringe play as a 1-2 of in some legacy decks. I have no experience with vintage but I know that having cards in hand, cards in your graveyard and having a way to put cards from your hand into your gy are all quite valuable.
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I want to be an asshole and build red Chaos/coin flips

Is this worth an include
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>>48044851
What price do you think? That other legendary land that draws cards (minamino, center of the sea) is like $10 and similar.

>>48044930
Hell yes
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>>48044930
Keep in mind that if your playing multi you have to beat like 3 or 4 other people. It will backfire a shit ton. Keep in mind the card tends to either give you extra turns and nothing to play or the opposite. If you still insist on trying to make it use a lot of topdeck manipulation.
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I literally can't stop building prison decks in every format. Send help.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oloro-prison-warden-1/
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>>48044982
Oh it's not a necessity, I was just asking because it caught my eye while looking through older bulk rares
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>>48034922
Ghave deck that focuses on making a shit-ton of tokens and then putting a shit-ton of counters on said tokens.
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>>48045074
「 M U S H R O O M S A M B A 」
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>>48045086
Alright, guy who's totally not gA, I'll play. I've got:

Niv-Mizzet wheel
Newzuri creature toolbox
Freyalise elfball
Talrand control (French)

Gimme what you got.
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>>48045338
「 W H E E L I N T H E S K Y 」
「 D O T H E E V O L U T I O N 」
「 O N E - E Y E D M A E S T R O 」
「 M R B L U E S K Y 」
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>>48044138
well, true. Elemental Resonance is certainly an unique card, and I'm happy about the fact that at least one of that kind exists.
It's not at all confusing to me though, but then again, I've played a short while (ever since release of 10th edition), which is kinda sad to be honest, since it's ancient history with most of the people I play with here.
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Does anybody know of cards with abilities similar to Endless Cockroaches, or maybe Gravecrawler where it can be cast from graveyard? Cockroaches with Phyrexian Altar has been a winning combo in Endrek more than once now, and I'd like to toss in another creature with a similar ability if possible, but I can't find any, at least any in mono black.
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>>48046290
well, there is some skeletons, like reassembling skeleton, but it never returns to your hand, but straight to field. Sanitarium skeleton does that though, but it's not a great card.
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>>48046323
Nah, needs to be cast for Endrek's ability to trigger, and it needs to cost no more than one mana more than it's CMC to recast it, including the cost to return to hand. Yeah it's super specific :/
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>>48045377
> Mr. Blue Sky

Nice
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>>48034922
I'll have a go.

Nuke opponent's board, pump scion, beat face.
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>>48046373
There is one, but not monoblack. Relentless Dead sadly won't go infinite, but it can retrieve a lot of zombies.

You could cycle two gravedigger effects. Like if you had a Gravedigger in your yard and a Cadavar Imp in hand.

You could use Haakon, but you will probably die. Risen Executioner works if you can prune your yard. Scourge of Tel Noth would work, if he wasn't 7 Cmc.
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>>48045377
how about...

geth of the vault
meren of clan nel toth
sigarda host of herons
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>>48034922
Rakdos, Shit out big demons and fun colorless things
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>>48046754
Relentless Dead and Phyrexian Altar does loop with Endrek, you just don't get infinite mana out of the deal like you do with Cockroaches so you need something to profit off things dying in order to seal the deal.
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>>48046432
Right? Thought that one up while I was listening to it in the car yesterday. I'm trying to think what Commanders a song name would go well with proactively now.

>>48046469
「 R A I N B O W C O N N E C T I O N 」

>>48046869
「 M E T A L H E A R T 」
「 B I R T H D A Y D E T H D A Y 」
「 B I R D S D O N ' T S I N G 」

>>48046899
「 D E V I L M A Y C R Y 」
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>>48047379
Monoblack Sidisi prison
Sigarda Enchantress upgrade creatures
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>>48047486
「 T H E B L A C K Q U E E N 」
「 E N C H A N T E D G A R D E N 」
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>>48047521
Cool, cheers
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>>48047379
nice, thanks bro
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>>48045338
Can I see that Newzuri list?
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>>48047521
Reaper King Scarec- okay, that one's too easy.

Avacyn 3.0 mass burn and land destruction

Jin-Gitaxias artifacts

Nicol Bolas theme deck
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>>48047692
「 I F I O N L Y H A D A B R A I N 」
「 A N G E L O F D E A T H 」
「 E N G I N E O F R U I N 」
「 A C C O R D I N G T O P L A N 」
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>>48047731
Awesome.
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how to primal surge decks tutor for primal surge?
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>>48047379
Talrand, Sky Summoner. Make drakes, play draw go, occasionally polymorph monsters.
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>>48047992
I wish I knew, probably with whatever green permanents they have which draws cards.
>Greater Good
>Sylvan Library
Primitive Etchings seems good, since you'll have a lot of creatures
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>>48043691
And into Daretti you go.
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So I need to take Muraganda Petroglyphs out of a deck because apparently all the haste enable I use on my tokens make them not eligible for its buff since they are granted haste. So how is Dictate? I want to get +2/+2 and it looked like the best other option.
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>>48041617
Feed it a slime and it costs 1GGG.
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>>48041219
All the eldrazi and colorless support makes this thing pretty nice, makes stuff like Conduit of Ruin a bit better.
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>>48042077

Pathbreaker ibex seems better as your backup craterhoof
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>>48036171
>Brion Stoutarm
Hey, it's the only good RW general!
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>>48048780
The ibex doesn't have haste and needs to attack to give the boost, I'd rather use Kamahl or pig'mrakul. Also the overrun is a on-cast trigger so it can't be countered outside of stifle stuff.
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>>48036171
>http://edhrec.com/random
>rolls damia
>looks exactly like my mimeoplasm already

fuck you rng...
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daxos-the-intern/

Link related is my Orzhov enchantments deck.

>inb4 31 lands
we like to partial paris
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>>48036171
This looks aight for a casual durdle http://edhrec.com/commander/kolaghan,%20the%20storm's%20fury/
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>>48048850

The Ibex doesn't naturally have haste but it's not too hard to give it haste, I can think of at least two commonly played commanders that are really strong with the ibex, Xenagod and maelstrom wanderer

I don't think piggy is a good option because you sac a creature and it doesn't work with any cheating/workaround

Kamahl is good but I don't think it's fair to complain that the ibex doesn't have haste when kamahl doesn't either on top of requiring double the mana to actually get an overrun the turn you play him

I'd rather run normal overrun over kamahl in many cases

All this is ignoring that pahbreaker's boost will often be more than kamahl's or a normal overrun

Maybe you're right that the ibex is only good for a haste deck though
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>>48048058
Already got that earlier.

「 M R B L U E S K Y 」

Or, less cutely

「 D R A K E 」
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>>48049115

how about my Sedris the traitor King deck with looting + evoke creatures + unearth and flicker
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>>48048969
partial paris is no excuse
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guys, I'm brewing a Gisa and Geralf deck built around Rooftop Storm+Havengul Lich. Here's what I have so far:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gisa-and-geralf-rooftop-storm-combo/
Anything I should add/remove?
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>>48049115
Brion Stoutarm?
Memnarch?
Hanna, Ship's Navigator?
Wrexial, The Risen Deep?
Tibor&Lumia?
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>>48049138

Partials have never helped me, all my decks seem to prefer card volume over card selection

And if you whiff on your partial it's a complete disaster, you may have to scoop

But then again we do 7-7-6-6-5-5-4-4 instead of the presumed edh normal 7-7-6-5-4, so maybe that's why I prefer mulligan to partial
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>>48049087
Yes but Kamahl can give everything else overrun without needing to attack and make people wrath their own lands away or just let me assemble a miniature army out of the billion lands I have.
The pig benefits from all the sol lands and eldrazi/colorless related stuff, can also get tutored by eye of ugin which can get tutored by land tutors which also reduces its cost by 2.
The Ibex just needs a haste enabler to do its thing but the thing is that it NEEDS that haste enabler to do anything.
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>>48049183
>double paris
o fug I wish we had that

>>48049138
It's not uncommon for me to just pitch the first seven in an attempt to get a Leyline/Tax or Tithe
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>>48049186

Well ya kamahl had the advantage of being a utility creature on top of an overrun

I think it's cool that eye of Ugin and such will help with the piggy but that's not really a concern for most decks, if we're just talking general green overruns, I'll agree that it may be better in an eldrazi deck but I still think it requires much more support to be great compared to ibex that works with cards people already normally run like greaves and anger

Also the ibex doesn't necessarily NEED haste to do anything, there are a lot of possibilities to avoid getting your board wrathed in between playing it and swinging, you can flash it in with yeva, leyline, etc before you untap, there's
Mother of runes, resto angel and ghostway n such in white, there are black reanimate spells that give haste like an unearth effect

My problem with the piggy is that +2/+2 just doesn't seem like enough to me, I want my overruns to kill multiple people, and that's made worse by the fact that you have to sac a creature, maybe only a 1/1 token or something but 1/1 tokens are excellent with overruns
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>>48049263

>double Paris

I thought Paris was partial?

It's more like double Vancouver I guess, since we still do scry if you go under 7 cards
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>>48049312
>you have to sac a creature
Where on the card does it say that you need to sac a dude, emerge is optional.
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>>48049455

true but then it stops being good man wise
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>>48049468
Because sacking a eternal witness or wood elf will hurt you, and anyways the decks that will use it have ways of making it cheap, mono-G eldrazi/colorless nonsense or if you want something that's not experimental Animar can basically make the thing free.
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>>48047379
Digging it lad
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>>48048521
Good. I like Collective Blessing though.
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What are the absolute best monogreen fatties to cast in Azusa? I want to keep it mean and green for flavor purposes, so no Eldrazi or Artifact creatures.
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>>48049135
「 E V E N H E L L H A S I T S H E R O E S 」

>>48049149
「 F A S T B A L L 」
「 E V E R Y B O D Y W A N T S T O R U L E T H E W O R L D 」
「 L E T ' S F I X I T U P 」
「 S T A L K E R G O E S T O B A B Y L O N 」
「 M R A N D M R S S M I T H 」
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>>48049450
my mistake, I thought you were saying you got two free partials, then two six partials, etc.
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Alright /tg/
Making a pic related deck. Trying to make it as strong as possible while still remaining primarily on the bird theme (she's erratad to all birds)
Pls help us in the creation that will define our playgroup for months to come with reccomendations
Bonus points for banding
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R8 my group
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>>48034922
Have you done a karametra name yet?
Landfall creatures, selesnia goodstuff, tutors and ramp. A lot of draw effects on creatures so I can chain draws and lands each turn, and also alot of creatures that grab lands.
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>>48050405
「 D A Y D R E A M F A R M E R 」
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>>48050530
Oh shit that's hella. TY anon.
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>>48050563
>anon
He doesn't know?
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>>48050590
Does Stand-anon have a name I don't know?
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>>48050637
Yeah.

It's gA.
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>>48050637
>That filename
One day I will collect them all.
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>>48048912
Rolled lazav, my god that looks fun.
For me.
Probably not anyone else.
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>>48050747
>Collecting all of an infinite thing
I thought I'd do the same with MAGA hats photoshopped onto things and now look where I am
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>>48050986
You poor lost soul
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>>48049610
Neat. I almost want it, but I just know that mana cost is gonna be annoying eventually. I don't even really mind the 6, but the GGW could be a pain on a turn I need it in play with something else.
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>>48048521
Coat of Arms. Remove the bears (or go tribal bears), and get good creatures.
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>>48050163
Damn if only she'd been printed in Azorius or Bant colors she would have been so dope.
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>>48050845
My friend has a Lazav deck. I've piloted it before, it's fun.

He milled out an Inkwell Leviathan on T4 upkeep once
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>>48050262
C is a cool guy
M is very boring, but at least plays decent generals
B should kill himself
R apparently enjoys suffering
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>>48050262
C is a dick.
M is a guy who thinks he is unique, but isn't, because his decks are the same as thousands of other players. Also ineffective and annoying.
B is a pretty cool guy.
R is a pretty cool guy, though a bit tryhard, and probably has the worst BO of the group. Anybody who tries to force that shit werewolf legend is a tryhard vorthos.
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>>48051191
It's the first I've seen him and the deck looked based around stealing and cloning other peoples shit which is already my mtg fetish. Will definitely be picking him up
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Cracked a foil Force for my EDH entry pack and proceeded to combo my way through the night. How many GBP do you think I could sell it for?
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I need help. I need UR graveyard hate (no colorless stuff) and I need BUG graveyard hate CREATURES.
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>>48051897
UR just does not interact with the graveyard beyond effects that make you shuffle it back in.
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>>48051897
:^)
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>>48051924
That might be my best bet. Today I played a 5 man with my Jori En deck. Karador sacrificed Kokusho 4 times. 4. NO one else at the table had graveyard hate. Iroas, Uril, Keranos, Karador, me. I run Burn Away and Learn from the Past, but it clearly isn't enough.

Maybe Day's Undoing would be good.

I might want to look at exile-burn as well.
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