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>>48018259
This could be pretty cool.
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>>48018259

YES
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>>48018259
Ha
I get it
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>>48018259

well thats fun.
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>>48018259
... What. This isn't real, is it? Gimme a link. Has anything been banned in edh before it even released?
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>>48018350
sorin isnt banned you moron
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>>48018259
>triskaidekaphobia edition
Goddamn. I may have to do just that.

>>48018350
Not even close to ban-worthy in EDH
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>>48018350
Wtf if you can't win or recover from that you're retarded.

In my Erebos deck I frequently run down to 5 on purpose on like turn 4-7 and can win from there.

Life totals mean literally nothing and this card is chafe. It will only be $1 because of its rarity and idiots like you who think this is game warping for EDH.
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>>48018350
>>48018470
>this will be banned in edh
>OG Sorin won't

The times we live in, in regards this card is very niche and will find some goofy play in triskaideckaphobia that will never win a serious competition
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Into my Doran deck this goes.
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Oh shit. I didn't even realize it until you said it. That's crazy.
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>>48018526
>Step one, set the trees toughness to 1.
>Step two, activate the tree.
>Step three, ping opponent.
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if a -x/-x card destroyed it, could you respond with a kill?
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>>48018494
Best girl

>mfw my Soul Swap (or whatever) in New Phyrexia, Tree of Life in Innistrad combo gets improved with this and Triskaniwhatever where you lose if you have 13 life
very neat
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>>48018695
What the fuck do you even mean by that?
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>>48018660

It's requires 3 cards to combo, but my Doran deck can pull it off:

>Vhati Il-Dal sets it to one
>It sets opponent to one
>I ping with thornbite staff
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>>48018259
Question: If I activate this ability and then, with the ability on the stack, somehow reduce Tree of Perdition's toughness to 0 (killing it), will my opponent lose?

>Last Known Information
>Information about an object that’s no longer in the zone it’s expected to be in, or information about a player that’s no longer in the game. This information captures that object’s last existence in that zone or that player’s last existence in the game. See rules 112.7a, 608.2b, 608.2g, and 800.4g.

Example:
>Control Heartless Summoning and Tree of Perdition
>Tap Tree of Perdition
>Cast Ovinize targeting Tree of Perdition
>Tree becomes a -1/0 creature and dies to SBEs
>Tree of Perdition's ability resolves, Tree isn't in the zone it's expected to be in so LKI should be used (meaning 0 toughness), and opponent's life total becomes zero?
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>>48018695
no, because it will set the opponents life total to what its current toughness is. You would have to tap the tree in response to the spell, meaning it would take effect before the -/-
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>>48018695
You can't exchange totals if it's not on the battlefield.
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Doesn't new articles drop at 12 midnight EST? Or did they change that?
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>>48018755
They changed it at least a year and a half ago, anon.

Official articles go up at 11 AM EST. This spoiler was from another source.
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So I'm retarded and I need to ask

Would damage counters affect the card's toughness in any way?
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>>48018794
No
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>>48018740
Tree isn't out so there's no toughness to compare to when the ability is on the stack so the life total remains.
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>>48018812
Thanks
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>>48018747

In response to it leaving play, but after the -/- ?
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>>48018794
Damage marked on the creature would NOT, -1/-1 counters (from Wither or Infect) WOULD.

Mind you, you'd have to check which effect applies in which layer to see whether the ability would care when making the switch.
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>>48018740
http://magiccards.info/query?q=Tree+of+redemption&v=card&s=cname
Apply rulings from this to new tree.
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>>48018259
Finally a cool card. Never thought I'd see another one.
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>>48018259
SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS
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>>48018857
If I recall, creatures with zero or less toughness die as a state-based action, it doesn't use the stack.
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>>48018259
maybe it is a thing?
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>>48018929

When was the last time you've seen one? Time Walk?
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>>48018977

I often wish everything was on the stack
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>>48018977
Correct. You can however get the trees toughness to 1, the activate it, pretty much pushing your opponent's shit in. Very powerful effect in Commander especially.
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>>48018747
9/22/2011: If Tree of Redemption isn't on the battlefield when the ability resolves, the exchange can't happen and the ability will have no effect.
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>>48019008
Pls no. I can't even begin to Fathom how broken the game would be.

>I swing for lethal!
>In response to me dying, I play 10 minutes of combos
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>>48019008
Damage used to be on the stack not too long ago. It was simpler times. Better times.
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>>48019045
it was better before the change
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>>48018470
Sorin costs six and has to go to a single loyalty counter while this is a thirteen defender that can be used multiple times.

But if you feel the need to be an absolute cunt about things feel free
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I just started building a casual deck with tree of redemption, magus of the mirror, and triskaidekaphobia. I know I should be happy about this new card, but I'm kind of upset cause it makes me feel like my idea is a bit less original. I haven't played magic for very long and this was one of the first combos I thought of myslelf.
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>>48018259
and this is officially an EDH champion, i mean god damn i could use this in kaervek, just knock it down to a 0/1 and switch life, then laugh my ass off as opponents die a horrible terribad death.
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>>48019120
This. This card is way more powerful than OG Sorin and OG Sorin is absurd in EDH.
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>>48019076
a better image for your point would have been mogg fanatic. that was good times.
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>>48019076
>Damage used to be on the stack not too long ago. It was simpler times. Better times.
Shhh anon, those time are gone. We duelmaster now.
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will innistrad be straight up killed, or do they have a fighting chance?
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>>48019076
Times when we could have our cake and eat it too. Though I don't think you could call it 'simpler' by any stretch of the imagination.
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>>48019076
>>48019185
Morphling and its ilk got shafted the most from the change.
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>>48019076
>Chumpblock then rampant growth
>Stack damage with a Pentivite, then recall it so you kill and keep your +1/+1 token
I miss combat tricks
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>>48018532
Sorin and Magister Sphinx aren't banned, this also won't be.
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>>48019214
>>48019076
>>48019185
Sorry, I do not enjoy ninja bullshit.
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>>48019245
I miss torment desu. At least wizard was called out when they did stupid things. Now it's just dick sucking and "draftable"
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>>48019250
Imagine this card if we still had damage on the stack. Sweet jesus.
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>>48019269
>Sorry, I do not enjoy ninja bullshit.
But ninjutsu never interacted with the damage stack.

>>48019284
You're an idiot aren't you?
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>>48019300
?
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>>48019214
>We duelmaster now.
Really? Sweet! Now where are the triple faced cards and god links?
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>>48019217
>GRIMWALD! GRIMWALD!
>A young maiden shouts after bursting through the doors, the candles in the cathers home flicker as the air hits them, the light of the silvermoon casting an eerie shadow behind the woman.Her dress tattered and dirty, her chest heaving.
>What is it m'lady?
>He says, polishing his silver blade
>The city! It's marching forward!
>Aye?
>Aye! The people... oh merciful... the people, warped and twisted, meshed together! It's an abomination of stone and sinew! How... how are we to survive?
>She pleads, slumping to a heap on his floor
>So... it is but a thursday.
>The cather says as he stands up, blade firm in hand

I think they'll be fine.
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>>48019120
short of a stifle/auto-hexproof abilit, nothing can be done by the nonactive players once sorin resolves

the tree is a creature with a tap ability

also using the ability again most likely won't help since the tree's new toughness will be whatever the last opponent's life total was
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Explain to me how damage on the stack works differently than what we have now
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>>48019315
AEtherling does nothing new
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>>48019300
>You're an idiot aren't you?
Not that anon, but I don't see it.
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>>48019217
Innistrad will be fine. Emrakul will be shoved in the moon, if sorin survives his job will be to watch on emy as nahiris idea of penance.

I'm really hoping whatever gets released from the moon when emrakul gets put in is the big spoiler they are saving.

Most likely whatever gets released is the catalyst for the next sets, or Liliana using the chain veil at this level makes her go seeking skilled artificers on whatever the shit the next set is named because it's going to kill her
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>>48019345
That was the point, wasn't it?
"Oh man, imagine if this Morphling variant was as good as Morphling was back then.
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>>48019370
But morphling never interacted with damage on the stack.
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>>48019335
You can do things in response to the damage.

Look at >>48019076

Back in the day, you could swing with it, and say an opponent blocks with his 1/1. You can wait for the damage to go on the stack, then sack it in response. Your opponent's creature still dies once the damage resolves on the stack, and you still get the ability to go get a land. You've effectively 2for1'd your opponent.

>>48019345
Nothing new except protecting itself from sweepers (while still protecting itself from targeted spells), and having an extra 2 toughness to work with for pump.
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>>48019335
I attack you with a 2/2 and you have a Mogg Fanatic out. So you block with Mogg Fanatic. It deals one damage to my 2/2 FIRST, THEN you get a priority window, thus you can sac the mogg fanatic to kill my guy.

Nowadays combat damage all happens at once except for first strike.
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>>48019335
NOW:
Sakura-Tribe Elder blocks a 1/1. You can either choose to deal 1 damage to it and both die (and not get its ability), or sacrifice it to fetch a land.
THEN:
Sakura-Tribe Elder blocks a 1/1. The damage from both the opponent's creature and your STE go on the stack, then in response you sac your STE to get a land. The opponent's creature takes 1 damage from the now-dead STE and dies, and the 1 damage it would've dealt goes nowhere cause STE is sacced.

I honestly prefer damage not being on the stack, because it means you actually have to CHOOSE between damage or not damage instead of it being the automatic best choice every time because fuck yeah best of both worlds.
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>>48019400
You swing i block. you make morphling an X/X that kills the shit out of my guy and then rechange its P/T to not die from its combat damage.
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>>48019404
I was so fucking mad the first time someone explained that not only could you block with a creature, take lethal, then you could then sacrifice it.
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>>48019400
Are you serious? It was the quintessential stack-shenanigans creature for a long ass time.
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>>48019445
this, the only clear solution is to remove MaRo
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>>48019445
I'd love to know how nahiri is able to interact with the moon when her magic slid completely off the helvault, which is but a sliver. Unless tamito has some way of teaching her its going to be sorin, most likely sacrificing himself
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>>48019364
I'm kind of hoping for some Apex Predator action in upcoming sets myself. Garruk's descent was honestly a really great tale and they set him up as quite a potent BBEG.
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>>48019076
;_;
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>>48019493
Yeah, Moon Tomato gonna give some useful last-minute advice. I won't doubt it. But regardless of what happens to Sorin, he won't be useful and everyone will forgive Nahiri because Wizards.
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>>48019493
oh and she won't get any reprecussions, just like to stupid elf bitch, in fact she will be hailed the hero who put down the patriarchy once and for all on this plane.
i fucking hate modern WotC so god damn much.
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Does it swap health with the opponent, or does it retain its toughness?
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>>48019455
You're a monster.
I love it. I'm using it.
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>>48019504
I love how they turned him into Jason. Just need to have him fight gender neutral mind the pronouns nightmare smith.
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>>48018259
So are we getting closer to becoming Yugioh: The Gathering? Every card has to has some connection or semblance to another otherwise its a shit card?
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>>48019534
Any time a magic card says "Exchange", you're switching the two values.
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>>48019527
To be fair, the stupid elf bitch got completely rewritten to be a perfect little angel who dindu nuffin. Speaking of nuffin, still angers me that a perfectly good and morally ambigious Chandra story got changed for no reason other than make Chandra be a perfect angel who could never hurt anyone.
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>>48019550
>yugioh did everything first
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>>48019550
Tree of Redemption is just as connected to it as anything else.
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>>48019455
Realistically in standard you can use gift of tusks to accomplish the murder task. Activate new tree, hold priority and cast gift, hope it doesn't die before or after gift resolves and your opponent is now at 3 and if standard had a burn spell you'd easily win.
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Does anyone else think the mechanic itself is fine, but the actual execution will look tacky as hell?

I just really dislike using multiple cards fit together to illustrate something
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>>48019572
It's crazy how much better the black one is.
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>>48019562
women are infallible. haven't you been paying attention since the late 90s?
Elf Hitler was far more interesting though. Gave us a rare green villain.

>>48019527
No, the gatewatch will all just dump on Sorin for being an easily agitated prick and then she'll have a redemption arc or something and maybe Sorin will sacrifice himself. Almost want to see Tamy start to lose it a bit though.
Also reminder that thanks to her Kamigawa has the largest known collection of inner-planar knowledge in its central library.

>>48018259
I'm now rustled New Phyrexia never gave us an Arcbound Ravager nod.
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>>48019513
>not using OG bot with missile arms
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>>48019569
>mtg is the only card game to be unique

>>48019572
Didn't know about this, could see an incredibly retarded way to draw a game with that
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>>48019254

You can still chump block and rampant growth

Honestly damage on the stack was stupid as hell
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>>48019674
yes, but you can't 2 for 1 and take out the weenie you're blocking. perhaps chump was a poor choice
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>>48019622
>Arcbound Ravager nod
I think at the time everyone was still experiencing some degree of ptsd from OG Mirrodin.
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>>48019622
why couldn't we have just kept our old Red Queen?
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>>48019622
I hope Tamiyo get through this because I still want a Return to Kamigawa.
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> all these retards making yugioh comparisons
Not only are you pathetic but then you willingly illustrate to others how pathetic you are.
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>>48019732
She stayed behind when Jace went to get the rest of the Gatewatch.
She's as good as gonemrakul
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>>48019757
>implying Tamiyo can be touched when she is immune to Emrakul and has a scroll of Serra's plane's end as well as two others of equal power.
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>>48019332
True, but being a tap ability, without much effort you run some repeating tap shenanigans in a single turn and now the entire table is at thirteen, or with a little more planning, one.
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>>48019717
I still am, but wanted to see it regardless. I was thrilled to see the set that almost killed magic for me get its shit pushed in and I wanted satan himself to be drawn and quartered in it.

>>48019719
All good things must end. Kind of hoping she makes a brief cameo as a white hared cougar though, passing the torch onto Chandra officially.

>>48019732
I'd like it, but it won't happen. Remember how WotC said they'd like to focus more on her? Doubt we'll ever be getting that. This is as good as it gets.
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>>48019793
Not to mention it is a black creature, aka shit is getting recurred out the ass.
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>>48019787
what the hell is even happening?
I thought INN2's story amounted to Jace floundering around playing detective to draw the same conclusion rabbit girl did while Sorin duked it out with his past as the world decayed around them all in a slightly more unusual fashion than normal.
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>>48019787
>good luck I'm behind 7 walls of denial
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>>48019840
It does. That's all that happened so far.
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>>48019840
That was SoI
Now Emrakul's here, so the investigation is over and it's time for more body horror than Phyrexia, with a side order of tentacles
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>>48019840
>>48019880
>>48019892
>Clues are probably gone
I should have expected this, but the casual fun had to stop sometime I guess...
Decently optimistic about the set but pissed WotC dropped the ball and only has 3 Meld creatures. They seem to be half-assing mechanic introductions more often than usual these days, Even Epic had 5 spells with it.
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>>48019809
After the shit Yawgmoth pulled, I never thought I would cheer for the Phyrexians. But holy fucking shit, fuck Mirrodin, fuck it's stupid robots. Fucking fuck Ravager, I hope his body was melted down and used as a fucking Arcbound Dildo for Elesh Norn's Infect-ridden cunt
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>>48019743
>I get upset because people make comparisons

Do you get also get mad when people tell you evolving wilds/terramorphic expanse is a fetchland?
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>>48019942
Investigate is, unfortunately, gone. No more clues, the mystery's solved, kinda dumb to be investigating when there's a tentaclemountain trying to mindfuck you into being more of it floating above the capital city
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>>48019942
Honestly, i'd love to see certain mechanics to keep coming back like Surge. And man, design team fucking LOVED meld but it's that pesky R&D man.
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>>48020014
Meld is a 3-for-1 waiting to happen. For it to work, the individual cards have to be good, and the melded creature has to be AMAZING.
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>>48020008
I had a clue deck that was pretty fun, but was hoping for a bit more support to really flesh it out. Now I know how the three remaining werewolf tribal players feel.

>>48020014
It just feels really fucking stupid "Oh hey here's a new twist on transform... but there's only three cards lol" What's even the fucking point.
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>>48020060
There'll be more later.
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>>48020060
The point is to convince R&D to accept the mechanic and allow more meld cards in the future, as stated by the design team.
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>>48019942
I was hoping there would be a mechanic that would work with clues, like solved or something, but I guess they decided to dumpster it
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>>48020115
>Solve
>When creature enters the battlefield, crack all clues
>Stick it on overcosted Eldrazi fuckers

Coulda been sweet.
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There better be a twisted eldrazi gitgud frog, he even had his own story god damnit
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>>48020060
>Now I know how the three remaining werewolf tribal players feel.

:(
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I demand the black angel from Innistrad's past.
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>>48020305

Damn, is there like a place where I can see all of the card art at a better than card resolution? Cause this is the first I'm noticing the fact her lower jaw is mutating.
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>>48020334
artofmtg.com
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>>48020399
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>>48020399
>>48020417
O L D
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>>48020399
I get half a chub thinking about running this in my brains tides deck.
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>>48020305
Why are black/white angels the cutest ones?
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True oldfags remember when damage didn't use the stack.

And interrupts were still a thing.

And then laugh at yugioh for stealing a shitton of pre-6th edition rules.
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>>48020495

Broken Blade is the cutest.
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>>48020515
>Wanting weird pink jelly hair

m8
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thoughts? should i run fog bank instead of gitaxian probe?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tree-of-perdition-1/
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>>48020465
Still cool tho.
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>>48020499
Mate, this set ripped off Duel Masters with its voltron cards.
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>>48019621
Its really not that good on its own. Combo with tri-skittles and you can make it work in a very janky way.
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>>48020551
for those who don't like clicking links:
4x Diminish
4x Geth's Verdict
2x Gift of Tusks
4x Psychic Barrier
4x Remand
4x Vapor Snag
4x Dimir House Guard
4x Tree of perdition
4x gitaxian probe
4x Triskaidekaphobia
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>>48020570

Sure, in terms of exact execution.

Voltroning together cards is at least as old as spirit of the night's nightstalker bits.

It works a bit like evolution creatures, more than anything (I haven't really cared about the Japanese release so the actual two-faced cards I don't understand)
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>>48020570
>ripping off a game made by the same company as mtg
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>>48019400
are you dumb?

>attack with morphling
>"block with my erhnam djinn"
>pump morphling up to a 5/1
>damage goes on the stack
>make morphling a 1/5
>morphling lives, erhnam dies
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Could you have Leveller Meld?
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>>48020677
Exactly.
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>4/3
>3/4
This is the difference between playable and non-playable for this card in any format outside of standard
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>>48018259
If you activate it's ability and then on stack switch it's power and toughness, does it still go through?
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>>48020634
I don't mean to be a dick, but you have 4 copies of a UU card and 4 copies of a BB card. Your manabase looks like garbage.

Here's the thing. Before you can become a good deckbuilder you need to play with good decks. It's important that you learn how good decks function so you yourself can build good decks - this applies to building casual decks as well.

Because your list looks like utter shit. It is a list devised by somebody who doesn't know what they're doing.
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I'm hoping they explore Meld more in Kaladesh, just call it GATTAI and I'm sold.
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>>48020735
No.

Exchange in Magic demands that the two things being exchanged exist at the time of resolution of the ability.

So if you kill the tree before the ability resolves the exchange does not happen.
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>>48019809
>set that almost killed magic

Wut
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>>48020634
might as well play reduce in stature as well

>turn 4, tree of perdition
>turn 5, reduce in stature on tree
>activate tree, opponent goes to 2 life
>2 mana damage card (qarsi sadist works in black)

standard blue/black control with tree of perdition could be a real thing
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>>48020779
>Not knowing Mirrodin
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>>48020779
Mirrodin Affinity broke Standard into splinters.
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>>48020779
There was a massive exodus of players during the run of original Mirrodin as it clusterfucked the entire game with it's stupid robots. Tournament attendance was at an all time low, sales were at an all time low, etc..
People do not enjoy playing against broken-as-fuck Aggro decks.
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>>48020821
Started in rtr

>>48020822
>>48020836
Was this pre or post caw blade ?
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>>48020860
This was years and years before the Cawblade era.
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>>48020752
i don't see what the problem with that is, as long as i'm running primarily shocks/fetches/other dual nonbasics

>>48020795
>reduce in stature
nice. i didn't know about that card. sign in blood might be a good 2 dmg finisher as well, plus it has early game utility
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>>48018925
>>48018740
>>48018818
Counter to this, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wild+beastmaster
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>>48020860
Original Mirrodin was waaaaaaay before cawblade. Though it's not the block that Almost Killed Magic - that was Urza's, though Mirrodin block was a really nasty blow itself.
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>>48020860
Pre.
Cawblade was a fucking joke compared to how completely and utterly warping Affinity was. There was no other playable deck. Nothing. You either played Affinity, or you lost to Affinity.

There have pretty much been two periods when the game got very close to actually dying. Mirrodin, and before it, Urza Block.
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Now that all the Meld cards have been spoiled, it bums me out that Emrakul can't influence demon fusions
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>>48020399
>>48020417
And here we have it folks. The final form of Delver of Secrets is an Eldrazi
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>>48020768
Maybe we'll get this in MtG
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>>48020907
wtf I hate artifacts now.
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>>48020927
what am I looking at here
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>>48020907
>>48020902
Well now I have to ask

How bad was urza's block
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>>48018277
How?
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>>48020958
A megazord.
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>>48020907
Didn't Homeland and Shards of Alara also come close to killing MtG though? I recall Fallen Empire - Homelands back to back fiasco.
>>48020960
Shitload of broken cards, some of which are still banned, and broken combos that allowed you to win right as the game started, before your opponent could draw. One moment gonna fetch video.
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>>48020958
A five-card meld.

>When this creature is dragsolutioned, each player puts all cards in his hand, battle zone and graveyard other than this creature into their owners decks and shuffles it.
>Speed attacker
>World breaker (This creature breaks all your opponent's shields.)
>When this creature would leave the battle zone, if it's tapped, it stays in the battle zone instead.
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>>48020984
>>48020960
Look. At. This. Shit.
https://youtu.be/SafpKKyO6l8?t=447
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>>48020960
It was so bad that the running joke at the time was that the Early game was the coin flip, the Mid game was deciding the turn order and the Late game was the 1st turn.

Also decks that didn't have artifacts were running Tolarian Academy just to counter decks that ran it via Old Legendary rule.
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>>48020995
Is... is this viable in that game even? Was it hard to put out? Jesus
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MY JOHNNY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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>>48020999
Did magic R&D exist at the time?

How can you miss this broken shit?
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>>48020960
Hoo boy. So, Urza's is about when I started to actually play Magic at more than just my kitchen table so to speak.

Basically, this is the format that was more broken than Vintage is today. The combination of access to ridiculous card draw, Yawgmoth's Will, and Tolarian Academy meant Combo decks were routinely killing on turn 2, occasionally turn 1, and almost always by turn 3. It culminated in the Megrim+Memory Jar deck which in my opinion is still the single most degenerate deck to have ever existed.

Eventually what feels like half the block got banned out of Standard, then banned in every other format except Vintage. You did not get to play Magic during this period, you got to play Magic if you won the coin-flip.
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>>48021051
R&D was definitely on the shitlist at the time.
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>>48021021
No idea since the game doesn't exist outside japan anymore. The pieces that it's made of are a bunch of 3 mana doodads that do one small thing and then just sit around.

There are much easier world breakers to get out.
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>>48021051
It's a shame it went down the way it did. Ever since the fucking disaster that they unleashed back then, WotC has been scared as fuck of allowing Combo decks to actually be good.
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>>48021058
>>48021004
>>48021081
Well, at least wotc has learned their lesson by now...
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>>48021115
>Learned their lesson
>Eldrazi pre-ban in Standard
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>>48021125
They learned that printing good spells for Blue=Dedgame
Nobody said anything about good creatures
:^)
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>>48021214
You've purposely choosen the words which hurt me the most, haven't you.
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>>48018259
EM is a flavor hit as far as I'm concerned.
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>>48018660
>Activate ability
>In response Turn to Frog
Then just hit them with anything. Blue and black have a shitload of direct damage/lifeloss and evasion creatures.
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>>48019965
I thought he was wiped out by the blue phyrexians.
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>>48019493
>>48019622
Sorin won't sacrifice shit, he's not even in the plane anymore.
Most likely went to Bolas for aid in his future revenge on Ugin and chalky cunt.
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>>48021484
Update, yes it was. Steel sabotage depicts an arcbound creature flying to peices so it can be used to complete mirrians.
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>>48020925
>Implying this is even it's final form

Delver will eventually become the next titan
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>>48021058
Literally fucking no one played Memory Jar though.
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>>48021051
I know Maro gets a lot of hate but his podcasts on the urza block are pretty interesting and sort of explain how it was so broken.
Basically they had a tiny team at the time and two of the main developers had fallen out and weren't talking to each other, so a bunch of broken shit got through.
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>>48019364
>if sorin survives his job will be to watch on emy as nahiris idea of penance.

>not Sorin turning Nahiri into the new Avacyn by using her Spark as fuel.

I know Wizards will use your version but still...
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>>48021826
Because it was legal for one tournament then got emergency banned, duh
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>>48021889
>Get banned
>Cheeky fuckers just fly over to part of the world where it hasn't been banned in yet
Gotta love MtG.
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In Soviet Russia, skin graft you
Looks like skaabs are alive and well
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>>48021987
We need Skaab Melders.
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>>48018695
Yes, it checks the last known value for its ability if it isn't on the field. Just like Eldrazi Mimic.
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>>48019076

It was great until Arcbound Ravager came along and ruined it for everyone.
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>>48021987
Forgot image

"Graft Stapler"

1

Artifact - Equipment

Equipped creature gets +3/+3 and has "when this creature attacks, it doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step."
When the equipped creature becomes unequipped, sacrifice it.

2 Equip
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>>48022005
Would like it if it was 1 equip.
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>>48020499
Batches were cool and made sense
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>>48022005
Jesus.
Correct translation is

Graft Stapler

1

Artifact - Equipment

Equipped creature gets +3/+3

Whenever equipped creature attacks, it doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.

When Graft Stapler becomes unequipped from a creature, sacrifice it.

Equip 2
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>>48018259
>not Treeskadekaphobia
one fucking job
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>>48021826
I still jam Welder/Jar
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We're getting Ludevic in this set, right?
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>>48022034
That should be the main combo of a deck running this, but it should also include other options for using Tree of Perdition if the combo doesn't pan out.
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>>48022072
use it to prolong your opponent's suffering as you mill them out
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>>48022077
So Blue splashing Black, just so you can have the Treeskadekaphobia combo, will Mill and Polymorph to use on the Tree itself?
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>>48019076
I still don't completely understand how damage works not on the stack. My group just puts it on the stack anyway.
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>>48021814
I vaguely hope he winds up turning into a legendary at some point .
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>>48022005
>sacrifice it

I was so close to putting it in my vigilance voltron deck
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>>48022005
Beh.
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>>48019364
>if sorin survives his job will be to watch on emy as nahiris idea of penance.

I would actually have a rage aneurism.
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>>48018259

Well, my Assault Formation deck just got an alt win con.
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>>48022374
Noice.
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>>48022025
>>48022005
>Correct translation is
That's a bit better.
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>>48022374
With Cryptolith Rite you can get this combo out really early.
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I don't care what ya'll Jacetice League haters say, this looks cool and I want to see the large size art.

>Whenever you cast an Eldrazi creature spell with CMC 7+ draw two cards
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>>48022502
This actually looks like a card that belongs on Zendikar.

You know you've fucked up when Innistrad of all places feels more like Zendikar than BFZ
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>>48022512
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>>48022514
Iunno. It's hard to tell in that image for ants, but the way that it's so dark feels Innistradi. Like they were walking through the dark Erdwald road when their torches blew out and then they all light up their magic and they're surrounded by tentacles and zombies and shit.
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>>48022512
Oh my word. this guy breaks with Replicate, doesn't he?

Also, are their any insanely cheap spells you can get out to make this guy huge with Prowess?
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>>48022512
So fucking cute
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>>48022544
But it's an enchantment that rewards casting very big creatures with a very big reward.

Looks like it was straight out of Rise of the Eldrazi.
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>>48022557
Something tells me he's gonna be a good beat stick in Izzet or Monoblue,
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I stole this filename joke from the top comment on MythicSpoiler. #SorryNotSorry

>>48022558
Oh, the ability. I imagine it is meant to play well with some of the Zendikar decks that will still be in Standard, but it also seems like it's meant to play with Emerge.

I mean, this set does have Eldrazi.

>>48022574
I was excited until I saw that it was 6 mana. Why couldn't it have been a 3/3 for 2RR?
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>>48022619
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>>48022606
>I was excited until I saw that it was 6 mana. Why couldn't it have been a 3/3 for 2RR?

It's an intro pack rare anon. The fact that it's really good in limited is the best you can hope for.
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>>48022546
You don't cast the copies with replicate, they're simply put on the stack, so storm count and prowess triggers only once
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>>48022664
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

How well does his topside interact with Aberrant Researcher?
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>>48022698
About as well as with any delirium fuel. But really, you want to cast those instants and sorceries, not just throw them in the graveyard. Unless you have cards like Take Inventory
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>>48022698
It doesn't?

Do you mean Docent of Perfection? Like the Anon said, you only cast it once the other times it's put on the stack.
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>>48022512
This seems pretty good
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>>48022025
Flips the rider

Combos with vigilance

Solid rare desu
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>>48022725
Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.
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>>48022740
Speaking of the Rider, I hadn't looked at it yet. Someone on MythicSpoiler rightly noticed that it's likely based on the Nucklavee. Neato.
Though the Nucklavee would likely be more than a 4/4.
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>>48022606
>Why couldn't it have been a 3/3 for 2RR?
why would you block a 3/3 if you took 3 damage anyway?
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>>48020057
>3-for-1
Don't you mean 2-for-1? You only need 2 cards to make it, it is basically a creature with an enchantment. And so far, all the meld creatures have been nothing less than a game finisher.
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Feels like they're really pushing 2 mana creatures this set.

>>48022512
>>48022767

These for example.
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>>48022894
>>48022767
>>48022512
Might that be a cycle?
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>the city of people who think lone rider is going to be good in constructed standard
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>>48022938
Nice bait.
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>>48022964
It isn't bait. in WW it might work, but Bant Humans is going still dominate Standard. It has no use in Bant Humans.
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>>48019364
>whatever gets released from the moon

MARIT LAGE! MARIT LAGE! MARIT LAGE!

Why does Wizards haet muh Marit Lage?
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>>48022975
>It isn't bait

Then you're either a retard or a shitter, stop replying in either case and get out.
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>>48022981
Because it's a throwaway card with zero lore behind it which only autistic retards like you like for no comprehensible reason.
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>>48022975
>Bant Humans is going still dominate Standard
>35/205 cards spoiled
Magic 8 Ball is that you?
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>>48022985

lmao. okay buddy. Other than Griff's Boon, you'd have to add in sub-optimal cards to get this stupid thing to flip. I'm not saying it's bad. It just won't be good in constructed.


And I'm going to buy a playset anyway and test it, just to prove a point.
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>>48019793
No, if you copy the tap ability, it swaps the total each time, so only one person ends up at 13. It doesn't say "target opponent's life total becomes 13".
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>>48022992
>no comprehensible reason
it's a big spooky tentacle monster that is connected to the sexy milf plane of dominaria, instead of trailer trash zendikar
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>>48022997
>buy a playset of an uncommon

Just draft them up

They're going to be a draft allstar probably
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>>48022997
Yeah, like Thalia's Lieutenant and Always Watching.

>suboptimal
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>>48023009
Sounds like you're just an autistic contrarian, kid.
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>>48023011

Unfortunately, I don't get to draft often. And a playset won't be much. There is a chance it is playable, but it seems too dependent on other cards for it to be viable. Plus, it will be a target for removal as soon as it enters.
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