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In the last thread you guessed it more Curzefags, alligator discussion was made, a NLfag with a dread and a writefag asked for advice, Fulgrim proved to be superior to the KDK, we talked about the marines who rival Siggy, a WD might hint at something HH related, and we discussed what kind of posts legionaries would make plus more in the old bread >>47997221
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>All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth."
Also, why are WB described as having blue eyepieces and quipment, when I've only ever seen them with green?
1st for best legion.
Best hot mess.
Will he ever really succeed at something he actually wanted to do?
>>48015988
Man, I love the WE color schemes. Warhounds Blue/White, World Eater White/Blue, and late heresy White/Red/Blood.
>>48015986
>Also, why are WB described as having blue eyepieces and quipment, when I've only ever seen them with green?
Inconsistency.
>>48015986
>Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor needed. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
>The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
>The moment we realised that truth, we changed our Legion’s name. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer
When are the 30k version of the Skitarii going to make their appearance?
>>48016110
That Salamander looks like a black guy instead of a white guy with literal black skin.
This triggers the autists.
>>48016037
See, that's my problem. Which is canon then? I want to see pics of them with blue eyepieces and equipment, because that way it'd give them a little more to their colorscheme to differentiate it from other red/greens.
That, and I want to see what'd look better.
>>48016099
>Khârn for ants.
>>48016166
Isn't the population on Nocturne black?
>>48016166
>That Salamander looks like a black guy instead of a white guy with literal black skin.
>This triggers the autists.
Maybe Mars does that to people, or the artist did something right or wrong depending on your point of view.
>See, that's my problem. Which is canon then? I want to see pics of them with blue eyepieces and equipment, because that way it'd give them a little more to their colorscheme to differentiate it from other red/greens.
Go with green.
>>48016206
Could we not start with this again?
>>48016206
Nah mate, iirc they all have the genetic defect that's the opposite of albinism, which is melanism, which instead causes them to have extremely black skin.
New heresy plastics coming after tree-tits
>>48016166
>That Salamander looks like a black guy instead of a white guy with literal black skin.
>>48016226
Whut? This (literal) nigga looks like a white dude with coal dust on top, i.e. blackface.
>>48016110
>Those skitarii have almost the same pose as the one in the Codex, probably even a recicled image.
This triggers my everything
>>48016607
Yeah that's what I thought too when I saw it. Maybe Skitarii love going in that pose, or GW needs to stop being lazy with their art.
>>48016607
You're right, I don't have my codex on hand, but the Ranger in the front looks very close to one of the pics in it.
>>48016682
>>48016667
I'm on my phone so I can't post the GW art fail pic, but yeah, it's pretty much a recicled pic, one that maybe implies the Skitarius has been skitariing the same way over 10 000 years.
And apparently, it has worked.
>>48016607
>Whut? This (literal) nigga looks like a white dude with coal dust on top, i.e. blackface.
You do realize east africans tend to have more Caucasoid features, right?
>>48016035
Same here. Then they went full retard with red bronze like the thousand sons. Even BA are smart enough to throw in some black.
What is with the BaC TEQ's horrendous shoulder gaps.
>>48016739
>maybe implies the Skitarius has been skitariing the same way over 10 000 years.
>And apparently, it has worked.
If it's not broken don't fix it I guess.
Is there anywhere I can read about the status and events of the Ryza Forge World in 30k?
They're the closest Forge World to my Legion's home planet so I want to know if it makes sense to use them in the fluff of My Dudes™.
>>48016857
Looks to me like someone's just fucked up assembly horribly.
I've never heard of anyone else complaining about them being hard to assemble, or seen anything resembling these abominations.
>>48016857
Holy shit I thought I fucked my termies up, this is just a whole new level of "What the fuck did you do to fuck it up like this?".
Paint scheme is nice, what are they? UM?.
>>48017155
They were the second best forge world and experts at making plasma and magnetic containment technology. Their titan legion was the most well equipped. They were in full production mode during 30k.
>>48017267
>second best
>has Scoria leading them into a new age of glorious science
Come on anon, you know Kelbor-Hal will never be as cool.
>>48017354
>thinks he will ever best Mars
Next thing you're going to tell me is how your legion's homeworld is better than Terra.
>>48017354
Come on bro we already know what's going to happen 30k is a historical game you have the hindsight
>>48016449
what's tree-tits. I'm excited for more plastics and all, but I've had a thing for conic titties since madonna.
>>48017354
Am I the only one who's surprised he still has some flesh on him? I can't tell if those hooks hint at his face being a mask or not.
>>48017376
Well, my legion's homeworld is how terra should be.Nuked from orbit.
IX legion ye or nay?
Good points and bad points from a lore and in game perspective.
Tryin to decide muh legion
I'm running skaven as cults and militia. If I brought a stormfiend armed with poison globes to a game and said he counts as two mortar teams would you be cool with that? In the most basic sense, this would mean that he shoots twice (and rolls scatter separately for each shot) and has four wounds (obviously if 2 wounds get knocked off, he can only shoot once)
>>48016893
>If it's not broken don't fix it I guess
That's the thing:
>Half the Imperial army go traitor
>Loyalist remnants broken into Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy
>Half the Legiones Astartes go traitor
>Loyalist remnants broken into separate Chapters, geneseed handed over to prying magi biologis.
>Half the Mechanicus goes traitor
>"I guess Kastelans were better than Castellaxii after all", otherwise yolo.
If it works, don't fix it. Unless it's broken Mechanicus, then STILL don't fix it (and try using something even older)
>>48017577
Good points.
>Literally Space Jesus is your Primarch.
>The Gun is Good.
Bad points.
>They're all bishonen. Even the manly men.
>Red is overused in 30k.
>>48017626
>They're all bishonen. Even the manly men.
How is that a bad point?
In case people were interested. I did a quick pdf of Visions of Heresy: Book 2.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/414d2bn0rdd9bfo/Visions_of_Heresy_Book_Two.pdf
>>48017662
M-my Primarch... MY LORD!
>>48017662
Well I had to even it out somehow.
>>48017616
Well the Skitarii did change, the went from the armed forces of Mars under direct control of the Fabricator-General to being the armed forces of any Forgeworld, they became just as decentralized as the Astartes.
>>48017677
I got more of best loyalist primarch if you want it
>>48017662
>not Vulkan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ15vCGuvH0
>>48017616
Maybe they can't think of any better poses to show the Skitarii? Who knows?
>>48017577
>Good points: 98% of everything
>Papa Sang is your papa
>you're an angelic vampire
>in the Deathwatch RPG a BA techmarine can become the fastest space marine
>Papa is best of men
>everyone loves him
>even though he died he gave us Easter in Space!
>Zardoz has bless your legion
>Papa broke a Bloodthirster's spine over his knee
>you get a Not!Lightsaber
>your legion is the undisputed masters of rip and tear
>Bad
>WAACfags will abuse the megadakka
>look at the current BAdex and weep
>you got to weep for everyone
>yes even dumb as rocks daemons and World Eaters as they charge directly into your megadakka
>you need blood right this instant sometimes
>you're irredeemable trash the moment you suck blood instead of scrapping and licking it
>>48017429
>I can't tell if those hooks hint at his face being a mask or not.
I agree with that headcannon with gusto
>>48017823
Maybe it can go either way. Maybe it's like that, it's a fake, or Scoria decided to keep his face. Keep it nice and ambiguous.
>>48017907
Well, robocop's face is his own, but worn as a mask over his roboskull, for even his face was machine underneath... wasn't it?
Or something like that, I saw that movie a long time ago and filled in the blanks.
>>48016110
>>48016166
>>48017952
I've never seen Robocop, and I love older movies. I think I now what to add to my list here.
>>48017721
Show me his tits bitch
>>48017970
Sweet Jesus Christo I see it now.
>>48017815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZiBS64sC4
>>48017354
Bet you bought an ordinatus too fag
>>48017986
Will this suffice?
>>48018008
That's where I got it from. I miss that show.
>>48018019
Meh
>>48016110
This picture triggers me so much. The Ironstriders were invented M34, and yet there they are. The Skitarii weren't supposed to mirror 40k, but be feral warriors. Fuck GW for shoehorning them in for profit.
>>48018019
I want to fuck rule 63 Roboute.
>>48018050
I don't know what's worse though, Anon. The recycled image, or that lore error.
>>48018074
Careful there, Anon. If you get her pregnant you'll have to proof read all 30,000+ rough drafts of the Codex Astartes. Or Ultramar law.
>>48018014
An Ordinatus Sagitar is like a tougher Warhound with less dakka, even though it's pretty much made entirely out of gun.
>>48018074
So does rule 63 Dorn, apparently
>>48018050
>our background is susceptible to changes due to market demand
>>48018125
>pregnant
Anon, I can only get so erect
>>48018125
Not him, but what about r63 Frank Castle, or Lorgar?
>>48018174
That UM's presence does change the past, huh
>>48017411
Age of Shitmar Treeling Branchwraith Leafzerkers
>>48017626
>>48017815
Downsides seem pretty negligible
>>48018186
Lorgar fucks everything up for everyone, as usual
>>48018193
I kinda wish that the OLD old canon where the Ultramarines weren't the original 13th legion was still canon.
Would be kinda cool.
>>48018210
They look fucking bad ass though.
>>48018247
That Mortarion a qt, 10/10 would footstool for
>>48018169
I saw a thread and it looked like that Git drew some more art.
>>48018182
The plus side is that now you'll probably won't be on the axe to face end of a Legatine Axe.
>>48018186
R63 Lorgar wouldn't allow you to knock her up until you're hitched. If she slips up and gets knocked up you better get ready to become an active church member. The church worships Emps or Chaos depending on the time. R63 Frank Manus is going to rip your dick off if you're weak during sex. She's going to rip it off if you lick her hands during cold weather. It's going to be a shotgun wedding, and it's there's not going to be cake.
>>48018240
There's more good than bad when you're BAs.
>>48018247
Also this.
>>48018302
>R63 Lorgar wouldn't allow you to knock her up until you're hitched. If she slips up and gets knocked up you better get ready to become an active church member. The church worships Emps or Chaos depending on the time. R63 Frank Manus is going to rip your dick off if you're weak during sex. She's going to rip it off if you lick her hands during cold weather. It's going to be a shotgun wedding, and it's there's not going to be cake.
I can get behind either of these.
>>48018287
It's about time Exodites got some models
>>48018247
After further examination I see a few flaws. That Angry Ron isn't a red head, that Pert isn't angry enough, that Curze isn't pale enough, and that Geneviève is too nervous looking. Everything else is perfect though.
>>48018338
Good luck with that.
>>48018287
Almost wanted to call it a Hellbrute, but now that I see fully now I think it's a hippie version of a Pentient Engine.
>>48018397
>Geneviève
?
>>48018443
Alpharius. It's a joke from an older thread that Alpharius's real name is Geneviève Rocha which makes sense in context.
>>48018302
>I saw a thread and it looked like that Git drew some more art.
Linky?
>>48018247
>>48018169
>>48018019
Still not as good as the original.
>>48018521
>>48014553
>>48018521
Brace yourself. >>48014553
>>48018583
You beat me to it.
>>48018397
>Pert isn't angry enough
Short stacks are filled with anger and rage, it's implicit.
>Geneviève is too nervous looking
True. Maybe that's oMegan Eveiveneg, who stole A's clothes.
>>48018652
>Short stacks are filled with anger and rage, it's implicit.
In that case it's spot on then. Just like that Fulgrim's smug mug.
>True. Maybe that's oMegan Eveiveneg, who stole A's clothes
Who knows? Not me.
>>48018693
>Who knows? Not me
I never lost control...Del Fulgrina's boobs tho
>>48018744
You're face to face with the man who sold the Galaxy...I like them. I find them fitting.
>>48018877
Now I've David Bowie stuck in my head, anon.
Though, in all honesty, I preferred Midge Ure's cover better.
>>48019085
Same. I heard Midge's cover first and I took to it more.
>Still no Lucius rules
I NEED my super apothecary damn it
>>48019248
Methinks you've made a cock-up there. You want Fabulous Bill, not Lucius the Jobber.
>>48019309
fuck me
Yes, thats what I meant
>>48019309
>Fabulous Bill comes out
>2 wounds, 3 attacks
>he gives one squad of tactical marines fearless and furious charge
>he doesn't even grant feel no pain
>he's 100 points
>>48019387
His rules will be lame for competitive play. It just has to be.
>>48019248
>Lucius comes out
>centurion with +1 WS
>wielding a charnal blade
>>48019387
more like
> init 8
> poisoned 2+ pistol
>Gives one unit in the army a buff
>+1 Str, t, or init
>Confers a 4+ fnp
>>48016857
That's pretty embarrassing.
The instructions aren't hard brah.
Slink off and never post your work here again.
>>48019450
Isnt that aready saul tarvitz
>>48019387
>>48019470
No no no, this is the early Fab Bill, he is experimenting and doing weird shit, its his Mutant Spawn period!
>Fabius Bile, Apothecary rules
>Makes Kakophoni troops
>Cannot be warlord or MotL
>May have a body guard unit of something similar to Spawns, mutated fucks riddled with hate and organs they didnt ask for.
>>48017669
THANK YOU. Someone promised a pdf a week ago. "After the weekend" they said...
And thanks again to Scanon who posted the scans.
What are you looking forward to most in the next few months?
>>48019882
More plastic.
More MKVI in the mail.
>>48019882
New HH plastic box hopefully containing breachers and assault marines, and updated LACAL hopefully making breachers and assault marines not trash anymore.
>>48019882
Book 7, and Ahzek's art.
/hhg/, I need your help. I want to start a side legion to ally my Word Bearers with, but I just realized that their only Sworn Brothers are SoH and Imperial Army. What's even weirder is that they are Distrusted across the board, with oddly enough, DA, EC, Salamanders, and Mechanicum being their only Fellow Warriors. I find this very odd.
Anyways, of the other legions, the one's I'm thinking about starting are Iron Hands, World Eaters, Death Guard, or Iron Warriors, though I'm not sure which to choose as I like them about equally.
>>48020036
Get some Blackshield chimera allies
>>48017626
>>48017662
>>48017677
>>48017577
For all the complaining I do about our rules in 40k, I would rather lose a thousand times as a son of Sanguinius than win as any other faction in the setting. All of those complaints go out the window in 30k. During the heresy, we are amazing beyond reason- can't wait for Sanguinius to get a model/ rules. For Sanguinius and the Emperor, brother!
>>48020036
Wait a minute...
The only legion whose rules specify that they may only ever be played as Traitors are only allied to two traitor legions, and two loyalist legions?
>ALWAYS Traitor
>two LOYALIST legions.
Wat.
Not even Sworn Brothers with WE?
>>48019977
>hopefully making breachers and assault marines not trash anymore
Breachers are fine. Really. I run 40 of them, 2x20 are my only Troops.I'm not even running Imperial Fists.
Assault Marines have issues but are merely slightly overcosted, not "trash".
Fixing Assault Marines is tricky; buffing them could easily kick off a runaway legion rules chain-reaction (Word Bearers, World Eaters), while cheapening them could marginalize other (expensive legion-specific) assault/mobility-centric units.
>>48020036
>>48020447
You can run Word Bearers as Loyalists, the rules says that, if your legion special rules can't be used, you can choose army-wide Stubborn or Furious Charge, either of which are useful and fluffy for loyalist Word Bearers.
>>48020558
While true, it does strip the Word Bearers of all their rules and characters.
>>48020558
>>48020650
Don't the Word Bearers have a rule or section that specifically states that they are always counted as traitors? Might be misremembering, but I don't think any other legion has rules like that.
>>48019882
Phoenix Spears. Inferno.
>>48019387
Seeing the World Eaters apthecary who was only awesome because Bile taught him how to fuck up marines Bile's super marines should be badass (Bile in combat should be a jacked up marine with no real special combat skills though).
>>48019470
Why only one unit? World Eaters dude can field any tactical squad.
>>48020650
They keep Ashen Circle (they lose Mhara Gal, Gal Vorbak, and all unique characters, plus their legion-specific rules).
Unfortunately, that's part of trying to play Loyalist Word Bearers during the heresy; Lorgar's purge of Emperor-loyal Word Bearers began earlier and was more thorough than any other traitor, and their deep Chaos involvement makes them the least-trusted of all legions by anyone (except Alpha Legion, natch).
Running them as Loyalists should be left strictly for those seeking a fluffy Your Dudes army; unfortunately, sometimes that comes at the cost of choosing between being underpowered vs technically illegal.
The lack of World Eater Sworn Brothers is a little odd. Sure, if FW are talking the Great Crusade then fine; but they're not, because they're also saying No Loyalists because it's in full Heresy Mode. They should fix that for consistency if nothing else. WE don't have to be Sworn Brothers back or anything...
>>48019479
>implying it's mine
How many times has your dumb ass called someone a samefag on this board? Out of those thousands, you were probably never right even once. "Brah".
>>48020813
Actually Word Bearers lose even Ashen Circle, if we go by RAW.
>>48020703
Almost but not exactly. Specifically, it says that if you can only use their Legiones Astartes (Word Bearers) rules for Traitor armies. That's new to the latest Age of Darkness Legions book, it didn't exist before two months ago.
As I said, an earlier rule said that legions that aren't using their Legiones Astartes rule can get army-wide Stubborn or Furious Charge instead. This was clearly intended for legions that didn't have Legiones Astartes rules at all yet, but it technically still applies even now that all 18 legions do (for example, for special snowflakes who insist on doing Legions II or XI, or proto-Grey Knights, or someother kind of Top Secret marines or proxies for non-Marine forces, or just don't like the Blackshield rules, etc.)
So it'd be valid for loyalist Word Bearers too.
>>48019509
I actually like that bodyguard unit, although I think they should be more like Gal Vorbek with more customization.
>Bile can take a single unit of 3 fucked up dudes as a bodyguard unit, no other characters or independent characters can join the unit (pheremones or some shit means they kill anything that gets too close except Bile)
>basic marine stats with 2 attacks
>Can take up to 2 extra dudes for X points
>Any model can take basic power weapons and shit (stuff sergeants have access to as well as sonic shriekers)
>The entire unit can take one of the following options for free
>>+1 W, +1 S, +1 T, -1 I
>>+1 S, +2 I, +1 A, Rage, -1 T
>>+2 W, +1 T, -2 I, FnP 4+, Slow and Purposeful
So Fabius gets his own bodyguards that can be super marines akin to Gal Vorbek with power weapons, or super fast high damage fuckers (5 str 6 AP 2 attacks at I 7 on the charge each if you give them Phoenix Spears is pretty savage), or a slow as shit tarpit that can absorb a good bit of fire (15 T 5 wounds with 4+ FnP).
>>48020886
That is from the Age of Darkness book. I assume there'll be rules for Pre-Betrayal and Loyalist Word Bearers in the redone ICL Book.
>>48020851
>Talk about shoulders on marines and post pics
>Act surprised when someone assumes the minis are yours
>>48020873
Wait, not even RAW, pg.92 of the Age of Darkness Legions book straight up says that using the rules presented here, they may only be part of traitor faction armies.
So not even Ashen Circle either, unlike armies whose special units/characters are marked as either loyal or traitor.
>Captcha says to select all the pasta
>four pics of pizza.
Wat.
>>48020873
Technically yes, as the new book is written, because while every unit except the Ashen Circle was previously explicitly marked as Traitors Only, they've now use the catch-all wording for every unique rule and unit in the new Age of Darkness book.
I'd be super-cool with allowing it, though, even in the most hardcore tournament-grade circumstances, as:
1) It was made clear previously that they weren't an exclusive traitor-only unit.
2) The exact same is true in the fluff, as they're specifically mentioned on numerous occasions that they were always used by the Word Bearers throughout the Great Crusade since Lorgar was found
3) It can't possibly cause any breakage, anyone playing Loyalist Word Bearers is already putting themselves at enough of a disadvantage.
Nevertheless, RAW, you're right (unless someone wants to argue that the "rules presented here" wording applies only to the page/spread it appears on...)
>>48020915
I expect not. Forge World have been very specific that the Horus Heresy specifically does not cover the Great Crusade period (which is why they're not doing Xenos).
If you're super lucky, you might get a mission/campaign featuring loyalist Word Bearers and it'll include campaign-specific rules to use them, which can be generalized to a main army.
Maybe loyalist Word Bears that survived Lorgar's purges died during the Heresy, and that's why the Ashen Circle can't be taken for a loyalist army?
>>48018050
Where does it say all skitarii were feral warriors?
>>48021040
Most likely they did, although, it seems unfortunate that the option doesn't exist, since all other kinds of unlikely forces are possible on the basis that "the universe is a big place, almost anything did/could happen".
>>48020471
Breachers are acceptable when taken in blobs of 20, but if you want to take them in a Land Raider DT the 125pts unit tax becomes unbearably high
Making a 3k Blackshields army and I would like some advice on which Wrought by War to take. I am debating Outlanders because you get the Nemean Reaver, who is cheap when compared to a similarly equipped Reaver Lord and army wide Rad Grenades.
I'm hesitant because of their 'half the army is dead? Lol see you later' rule. It seems like a massive fucking flaw in the list, plus deep striking infantry units without a claw/flyer transport seems... dangerous.
It's either that, Chimeriae option 2 (+1 WS, BS -2 Ld) or Death Seekers. Death Seekers is more likely as the -2 Ld can be pretty crippling against some armies.
>>48021540
Outlanders' disadvantages can be mitigated by taking more units, or vehicles since they don't disappear while the Chymeriae by taking the Herald Consul, somewhat.
>>48015986
>Argel Tal regarded the headless body with momentary consternation. He hadn't meant to do that.
>>48020923
>assuming photos outside of WIP belong to the poster
0 for 2
>>48021127
I guess part of the problem is that basically the entire legion mustered following Monarchia, there weren't any chapters left out in the galaxy. Even a chapter like the Serrated Suns who became famous (/infamous) later had been out in the dark on their own, but got drawn back into the fold.
>>48022383
Caught in a warpstorm and delayed. Beyond communications range. Communications misunderstood. Secondment to a Rogue Trader/Governor/similar official, or other legion/mechanicum/etc., and unable to leave even upon the direct command of their Primarch (maybe they were directly commanded by the Emperor first, since they're honorable loyalists and all...). Honor guard somewhere in Sol and . Future-seeing librarian warning them. Grouchy Terran old-timer who never listened to Lorgar anyway. Disrespectful punk who never listened to anyone and always did their own thing. So full of bionics that they were enslaved by (loyalist) mechanicum before they even knew that their legion turned traitor. Got an offer they couldn't refuse from some alien powerbroker. Time-traveling warp-magic. ...
It's way too easy for at least a single sub-company-sized bunch of dudes to have missed out on the muster for one reason or another.
>>48022662
Yeah, true, I guess. But Monarchia was like 40 years before Davin/Isstvan, that's a lot of time for Lorgy to hoover up anyone that wasn't at the muster (and primarch minds have been shown to be good enough to keep track of literally their entire legion's disposition).
It would seem to me if you wanted to run Loyalist Word Bearers, for whatever reason (I honestly can't think of any except for special snowflake status), it'd probably be better to run them as Blackshields and paint them WB colors. Any that somehow escaped purging would probably be considered Blackshields anyway.
>>48018129
I'd say the trade-off in firepower is well worth the increased survivability. The Ordinatus is basically invulnerable to anything but D-shooting or deep-striking chainfists/meltabombs in the first couple of turns.
>>48022924
I wonder if it just comes down to whether people want ashen circle in their loyalist word bearers. If not, what you suggest is probably best. If you do want ashen circle though then, I dunno, loyalist alpha legion rules to get them via coils I guess?Not sure that's a line we want to cross though - if using different legions' rules becomes commonplace WAAC players would have an excuse to pull WAAC bullshit ("these death guard are using IF stone gauntlet rules because of how tough they are" etc.).
>>48022924
>>48023152
These mentalities need to burn
>>48023215
>Not wanting to play Death Seeker Blackshields as surviving Imperial Heralds who wish to repent for the collective sins of legion and primarch by selling their lives in the war against the traitors
Anon, do you just hate fun?
>>48020851
We are Legion.
Brah
if the primarchs had a competition to see who could kill the most goatfucking tallarnians, who would win??
>>48023527
Ferrus Manus, he's always a-head of the competition
>>48023527
Corax is a fucking lawn mower, I reckon he will be good at that.
>>48023527
guilliman
ten thousand years of wars is going to rack up a higher bodycount than pert's decimation
>>48023527
Horus. Because he is the greatest of them all, and he never really loses anything until he got his soul destroyed.
>>48023527
Alpharius as before the competition even began he would have swapped all tallarnians out with alpha legion operatives
>>48023527
>>48023609
>>48023615
>>48023654
>>48024226
You guys remember the battle was an Imperial victory, right?
>>48024481
And all the AL managed to accomplish was to secure a foothold beneath Sapphire city.
>>48019882
Death Guard scythes.
>>48024507
Oh I remember. I'm just telling Anon who'd be better than Pert at doing the job.
>>48023527
Kurze
>>48024507
>You guys remember the battle was an Imperial victory, right?
Top kek.
>>48024637
EC or Alpha Legion, depending on which you prefer.
ARE YOU READY BROTHERS
CHEAP PLASTICS AHEAD
>>48024684
As in "sure, the enemy fucking razed everything, but they retreated in the end (because they had more important things to do) so, I'd say we won, lord general". Your typical Imperial Victory.
I mean, the WB lost in Calth, even though they put about half the ultramarine force out of combat, killed the star and made Calth's surface uninhabitable, wasn't it?
>>48024776
the only reason its chalked up as an Imperial victory is because GW refuses to let the smurfs lose even once
Is the asscanman still doing his thing?
>>48024776
>>48024797
The surface of Calth is inhabitable, but that doesn't stop people from living underground. Tallarn lost its forests, but we got the Desert Raiders out of that.
>>48024797
it's like you only found out about the battle at calth from the HH novels
>>48024756
>inb4 repacks of BaC into separate kits
>inb4 they're more expensive than buying the sprues off ebay
>>48024973
This.
Gonna be really upset when they want me to spend £35-£40 on a box of Cataphractii.
>>48024756
>>48024973
Don't any of you jinx it.
>>48024904
I did say surface :^)
>>48024797
Or this.
Still, nobody suffers major setbacks...meaning the Primarchs are superb commanders who can salvage a situation from the ashes of defeat :^^^^)
Would this apply to Corax too?VULCAN LIVES
>>48025092
>Would this apply to Corax too?
>VULCAN LIVES
Yes this applies to Corax. Guy needs some love.
best mobile army maker for 30k?
I feel like battlescribe is a little clunky
I'm already using the RG flyer in my AL list but
Should i paint my vehicules as different legions?
>Tanks as IW or IH
>Transports and Flyers as RG
I never really got the feeling that the AL would stick their heraldry on everything - or are they like the Blood Ravens where they repain everything in their colours?
>>48025362
Nah it'll look like shit
>>48025362
Part of Coils is defectors, the other part is the AL copying the STCs or designs perfectly and are able to make their own.
Also the forgeworld books show that part of the AL is dedicated to being a big, loud and easily spotted frontline army. So it's not ridiculous for them to put their heraldry all over most of their vehicles
>>48025386
>>48025392
So the Magpie protocols?
Noice
>>48025402
Yep. I have Templar brethren in full blue/green/silver with white tabards.
>>48025437
>Alpharius' fw
>>48025437
Would you kindly share the pics with us?
Has anyone read The Hunt for Vulkan yet? Im pretty sure the 32 millieum was suppose to be free of loyal primarchs, I'm wondering what the fuck he's been doing this whole time instead of niggering the Imperium out of a demi god savior
>>48025352
What's clunky about it in particular?
40k list building is a clunky mess in general and touch input+small screen size creates a clunky mess whenever you want to do anything complicated, I'm not sure how much easier you could make it
>>48025700
Stuff like master of the legion is kinda oddly hidden. That and I don't like being advertised to in my army building app.
>>48025485
Let me get them a bit more finished and I'll post pics. I've gotten my AL scheme pretty consistent
>>48024507
>You guys remember the battle was an Imperial victory, right?
dead goatfucking tallarnians is a victory for all of humanity.
>>48025778
If anything, the destruction of the local goats just made them emigrate to find untarnished goats to fuck. Congratulations, traitors, you fucked it up for all the galaxy.
>>48016253
I thought that applied to the Salamanders, but the general population of Nocturne look more like descendants of Africans. Though we can assume that races have changed quite a bit 30,000 years later. We'll probably homogenize to an extent by then, and then start diverging again as we colonize other planets. There'd be races again but they won't necessarily align with the ones we know. It'd be interesting to see.
>>48025778
>>48025799
Furthermore Tallarn used to be an argi-world with forests. The Virus Bombing turned them into goat rapistst instead of farmers.
Been getting interested in Sons of Horus as a 'raiders of the north' sort of feel for marines, I really liked Arghast from Chaos Rising in DoW II as an inspiration. Would mixing in Chaos Warrior/Chaos Space Marine bits be appropriate, or is it still too early in the heresy for that?
>>48025840
Nonsense, I bet there's a planet of asians out there. Besides T'au, I mean.
Oh, right: Chogoris the Mongol planet.
>>48025799
>this was perts plan all along
DEVILISH
>>48025901
Not so smart when you realize that Chaos has beastmen and loves goats. First you took their trees, now they take your anus.
>>48025901
>Perturabo's plans
>Succeeding
Take oneTAKE BOTH
>>48025927
God I'd love to have a full Chaos Beastmen army in 40k. Fuck, I can do that with Cults and Militia, even if the lasgun conversions would be a pain.
>>48025895
I think we're in mid Heresy now where >>48025957
I recall some ye olden 40k beastmen models with one having a plasma gun.
>>48017626
I love Zardoz as much as anyone, but what's the connection to BA?
>>48025978
They can stick assault cannons on anything that can take heavy flamers.
>>48025957
>tfw im probably going to put my WHFB ogres on rounds just so i can run 40 ogryn with t6, 3+ armor and power axes in a militia or dark compliance list
not even typhons can fuck with that shit
>>48026020
>>48025961
I'm thinking something like two big 50 beastmen inducted levy squads backed up by some bigger beastmen militia. Not sure what provinances I want; Feral Warriors and Abhuman are more traditionally wild monster men, while the two chaos only traits really play up the chaotic and impure beastmen nature.
>>48025991
>oh cool and who can take heavy Flamers?
>>48026119
id go with abhuman and tainted flesh
What would you say are 1d4chan's tactica page's main flaws?
>>48026578
Being subjected to 1d4chan memes
>>48025765
So buy it? I bough it on desktop and android, no regrets.
>>48025765
I bought it like 3 years ago on my phone, considering the fact that I spend hundreds of bucks on plastic crack I might aswell spend 5 for a good army building app without ads
>>48026578
There's still a tendency for some entries to just tell you an unit's rules and say nothing about, you know, tactics.
>>48025556
VULKAN LIVES
>>48027306
He can't help it, really.
>>48027306
>>48027322
>He can't help it, really.
>>48026578
Theres very little discussion about unit synergies and proper army composition
Every unit entry should have a brief description on the ways it can be fielded and every legion could do with a list of the top units that synergize with their rules
Also maybe some example lists, a link or description on proper formatting of lists for the /HHG/, a check list for what a proper list should include (ways to deal with hordes/AV15/Fliers/Termie spam)
>>48027356
>every legion could do with a list of the top units that synergize with their rules
>example lists
Strongly disagree.
Unit synergies may already be presented, but it's up to each individual player to decide what he wants to do with that info, rather than outright ask the wiki "how do I WAACfag?". Both competitive and silly combos are presented, so that players may be able to optimize their lists or, should they want to, have fun by throwing silly stuff (like the -4T DG combo, or the 3+ cover save in the open, also DG).
But I'll be taking note of your suggestion nonetheless.
As for proper formating, that's already contemplated in the general tactica index
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics#Looking_for_advice
>>48025032
Yeah, better to just spend £50-60 on a several bags of Cataphractii.
>>48027501
It doesn't have to be weird skew stuff, just things that generally work together well.
>>48024756
Come on, plastic MkIII.
>>48027501
Those two were more for the uninitiated or non lurkers who are just starting out, as no doubt with the plastics proper coming soon(tm) there will be people whose first or at the very least early experience with 40k will be HH, but I take your point
And with the general tactica page their should be a link back to it somewhere on the page itself without having to go through the "Category:Warhammer Tactics", and their should be some note somewhere about how to find /HHG/ on /tg/ as, I guarantee you, people will google "tactics for *army*" and find their way to 1d4chan before they figure out what a /tg/ is.
>>48027680
I still doubt it is needed. The legion sections already give you an idea of what their role should be and you can infer what would be good or bad based on that. Besides the basics (dreadnoughts, sicarans, tacticals) are always good no matter your legion and only the tacticals are even effected by LA rules. Overall it seems like it would just add bloat. For example I could do some shit for EC
Recommended Units
Despoilers: EC are one of the primary melee legions, while they don't get extra attacks like the World Eaters, wound better like the blood angels, or are pseudo WS 5 like the Dark Angels, they strike at initiative 5 on the charge and will almost always win challenges thanks to Phoenix Spears (since they strike first they don't even need artificer armour on their sergeants). These two combined means that as long as you get the charge you will generally win an assault against tactical marines.
Assault Marines: The same reason despoilers are good is the same reason tactical marines are good, however as an added benefit 1 in 5 guys can take a power sword improving your damage output even more. Although the unit is expensive the mobility makes them especially dangerous (12+1" movement, 2D6+1" charge with reroll gives you a 26" threat range) and the hammer of wrath means yet more attacks before the enemy can swing.
>>48027956
Outriders: Exactly the same reason as assault marines, very mobile and access to a good number of power weapons.
Vets: EC have perhaps the absolute best furious charge vets, since it is already easy enough to cripple a full sized tactical marine unit with power weapon vets, but since EC strike first they can wipe out a tac blob while taking next to no losses in return. Unfortunately you lose out on your main advantage if you give them axes.
Legion Terminators: While this is specific to an individual rite of war, Third Company Elite can allow legion terminators to effectively match units like justaerin in combat by giving the legion terminators sonic Shriekers the Justaerin are brought down to WS 4. With power fists the terminators ID the justaerin anyway making their extra wound moot.
How do I paint the green armour of Salamanders /hhg/ ?
>>48027984
>EC have perhaps the absolute best furious charge vets
Debatable, BA would wound everythng thats not T5 on 2s with just power swords and if NL outnumber the unit they would do the same plus +1 to hit.
All 3 good options but I wouldnt call them the best.
What legion thing should I buy myself for my birthday?
I play EC and currently have
>20 Mk IV Tacs
>20 MK2 Tacs
>20 various support squad marines
>10 palatines with Phoenix Spears
>5 Phoenix Guard
>5 Volkite Culverin heavy marines
>5 Cataphractii
>2 Contemptors
>Deredeo
>Fire Raptor
>Spartan
>1 Rhino
>6 Jetbikes
>Fulgrim
>Eidolon
>Knight Lancer
>An Assortment of converted and official Praetors and Consuls
>>48024756
If the legs are still doing power leans and bowlegged squats, I'm out. Just give us fucking assault marine styled legs GW, it's not like you can't make good legs.
>>48028253
>BA would wound everythng thats not T5 on 2s with just power swords
The thing is that BA are still taking the brunt of the opponent's attacks, since EC strike first most of the enemy is already dead by the time they get to attack.
>EC attack marines score like 13 kills
>7 Despoilers swing back kill a single vet
>Despoilers fail their morale check and are swept
>BA attack and score like 17 kills
>20 Despoilers swing at the same time and score like 3 kills
>Despoilers fail their morale test and might be swept
The advantage of EC vets is that they have much better potential to get a flawless victory. Of course if you are a gambling man Palatines are almost objectively better, a bit more expensive, give them spears. WS 5 and S 5 on the charge with AP 3, of course if you get charged prepare your anus as you are pretty much might as well have regular CCWs.
>>48028304
One of the breacher/artillery/grinding assault legions: IF, IW or DG. Just for a change.
>>48028304
World Eaters and EC work well as a shattered legion
>RoW that requires an EC warlord
>You can't score objectives, just killpoints
>Take World Eaters inductii who can't score anyway for mulching troops
>Take Palatine blades and Phoenix Guard for killing elites
>Take some mobile shit for killing heavy vehicles
>>48020149
Isn't Sangy supposed to be so beautiful people orgasm just from being in his vicinity? He looks like some old man.
this tabard, too thin or just right?
>>48028608
>He looks like some old man.
WELCOME TO ALL 30K ART
>>48028683
Aesthetically it's a bit thing and doesn't seem to go with the rest of the model at this stage. However it doesn't look that bad and I'm sure it would look good on the finished product.
>>48028683
Too thin for me.
Where's that base from? I like it.
>>48028426
>>48028491
Ive been considering starting some Bangels, but im concerned theyre just going to be EC but better
>>48028683
Looks awful, dont do it.
>>48028731
*thin, even
>>48028705
>>48028731
>>48028743
>>48028756
Woah it's rare that /tg/ agrees so quickly on anything. Thanks, guess I'll use decals to pretty it up.
The base is from dragonforge.
>>48028748
They pretty much are. EC have better sergeants and reserves and combat resolution shenanigans but BA do pretty much everything else better.
>>48028878
They also are even more fetishistic than the EC. Just ask the blood angels about their nipples.
Any suggestions for non-shit deepstrike(non pod) legion/RoW at 3k?
Long March
Horus + 40 Justaerins
or
Orbital assault
Eidolon+ 20 assault
Fulgrim + 16 phoenix guard
18 termis
>>48029044
>40 Justaerins
>>48029129
>40 justaerin vs two typhons and 9 vindicators
>>48029315
>40 justaerin vs 40 t6 3+ armor ogryn with poweraxes
>>48029044
You're a complete psychopath.
Played my first ever Warhammer game this weekend, roughly 700 points each of SA vs RG.
Fuck this game is tedious, I never really thought how time consuming it is to roll for run distances, charges, hits, wounds, saves... We didn't even bother with leadership tests and reserves, let alone flyers or superheavies. Trying to get the basics sorted for now.
Any tips for someone trying to get up to speed with the rules? We printed off the 7th ed rules reference sheet, but we were still flicking through 4 PDFs to look up rules and stats so next time I'm going to collate everything into one place which should make the whole ordeal a bit faster.
>>48027956
>will almost always win challenges thanks to Phoenix Spears
Stop this meme, on a sergeant it's an average 1 wound against WS4 T4. If they have an invuln or T5+ or 2+ wounds or defensive grenades, you're likely to lose and then get power fisted to death
>>48029879
It will be tedious if you are just starting out. Forge World stuff is typically for the more 'advanced' GW buttlover.
Good on you for trying it out from the start though. This game is fun once you know the rules better.
>>48029879
The first game is always like that. It becomes a lot faster as you get used to the game, like anything. Remember when you first learned how to type on a keyboard and had to peck at keys or look for the right key to keep the proper form? That's you trying to figure out what dice results are what on the chart and counting the dice to roll for each action.
Eventually you'll just part out dice in groups of 10-20 and scoop them up, roll, immediately remove the misses, roll again, etc.
Since 30k is MEQ vs. MEQ for most armies, it's a lot easier since the magic number tends to be 4+. If you want to get faster at actual dice rolling and calculation, take various squads you own and play by yourself, one squad vs. another squad. Then practice rolling to hit, to wound, saves, etc. Do this enough and you will become a fast roller.
>>48029879
Superheavies are actually way easier than regular vehicles since they ignore basically every rule. No damage table, always fire at full BS, shoot at whatever the hell you want.
>>48029935
>>48029951
Thanks guys. One of the things that my brother, a complete stranger to 30k, had was trying to wrap his head around the SA lasrifle shitkickers having different stats to the SA Veletaris. It's interesting coming into the game now after having been making and painting GW models on and off for the past 13 years - I have a fair understanding of the mechanics and the pros and cons of various units, but actually seeing how they operate on the table is surprisingly different to how I pictured it. Will definitely follow >>48029951's advice and git gud at rolling dice and memorising the order of things.
>>48029952
I'll bear this in mind, thinking about it I know very little about the superheavy rules. Probably good we didn't use the superheavies so we can actually get some experience working out AV rules, glancing and penetrating hits and such.
Sidenote, the unit of 5 Mor Deythan with combiflamers were devastating, completely removed the Veletaris in one round.
>>48029899
Why the fuck would you ever expect a sergeant to defeat something with 2 wounds or an invul save? I am talking about shit like tactical sergeants fighting tactical sergeants or similar enemies, not fighting terminator sergeants or Suzerains. However the advantage still remains you have a solid chance of outright killing most marine sergeants outside of elite units. At least EC aren't doomed to have a mutual kill.
>>48029899
Ive had a phoenix spear sergeant kill Horus before
He was by himself and ony had 2 wounds left, but still
>>48029044
At that point i'd take abbaddabbadoo for the fluff.
>>48030121
You'd might want to word it differently than "EC are one of the primary melee legions [...] they strike at initiative 5 on the charge and will almost always win challenges thanks to Phoenix Spears" then, considering that your write-up was meant for a wiki article and should be informative.
There's enough unit descriptions on 1d4chan that praise the units for all the amazing shit they could do without actually taking statistics or points into account.
>>48029899
>My sgt can't kill a Titan by himself
>Some anon comments how his sgt finished off Horus himself
>Not killy enough, wants mathematical certainty
No, (You) stop this meme
>>48030802
See? This image is now obsolete because >>48030176 's sarge DID kill Horus (no one would go to the internet and post lies, right?).
>>48030802
>3++ should be illegal
>Says the only legion to get a 2++
Fookin' traitor shits.
>>48030374
Given similar opponents EC to almost always win. Besides I was specifically stating that this shit is retarded since it just adds bloat for information anyone could infer by reading about the units and legion abilities. EC strike first, sweep better, and maru skara helps with mobility, every point pretty much just repeats the same thing for different units.
>Despoilers strike first, this is nice
>Assault marines are mobile and strike first, this is nice
>Bikers are mobile and strike first, this is nice
>Vets strike first, this is nice
>Legion terminators can be pseudo WS 5, this is nice
>>48029879
Once you have the basics down, can remember what your special rules do and what your weapons/dudes profiles are things start to fly by, and if not you could print out little flash cards and leave them next to your units, what its name is, what its stats and equipment are, and have a cheat sheet with all the weapon profiles/special rules on it
>>48030828
>>Says the only legion to get a 2++
That's a relic, "I can have Eternal Warriors AND Sigismund"-kun.
>>48030374
>There's enough unit descriptions on 1d4chan that praise the units for all the amazing shit they could do without actually taking statistics or points into account.
We do take them into account...it's just not complete just yet. Maybe I'll add "this is meant for mirror matches", but then again, the Praetor's entry DOES mention you shouldn't expect him to take on named characters.
I guess a little redundancy and specification (sarge vs sarge) never hurts, though.
>>48030845
Don't forget Storm Shields.
>>48030840
Great idea, thanks Anon
>>48029044
Why do you have that many Justaerians?
Which legion benefits Dreadnoughts the most?
>>48031380
>Doesn't have 40 Justaerin
>Thinks he's worthy of posting on /HHG/
>MFW
>>48031813
Iron Hands, surely? Wait, they don't get the LA rules
>>48027984
>Third Company Elite can allow legion terminators to effectively match units like justaerin in combat by giving the legion terminators sonic Shriekers the Justaerin are brought down to WS 4. With power fists the terminators ID the justaerin anyway making their extra wound moot.
This comment has been dancing around in my head for a while.
The 3rd Company Elite RoW says that Sonichu Shriekers become available only for models in either power or artificer armour, not in termie armour.
Furthermore, their entry says that "a model or unit equipped with sonic shriekers imposes -1 WS on enemy models in base contact in assault", quite possibly meaning only the models in base contact with the IC (because it's unavailable to sarges) are the ones affected, rather than the whole unit.
I mean, why would it say "in base contact" instead of "engaged in melee" if the whole enemy unit were to be affected?
And the only termies who can get shriekers, the PGuard, can't get S8 weapons.
Are the Phoenix Guard the EC equivalent of the WE Devourers, whom their Primarch didn't care about? Maybe not, as long as they look pretty.
>>48031813
Iron Hands.
Salamander Boxnoughts gain a 5++ to feel like El Cheapo Contemptors when they use The Covenant of Fire, and Nomus Rhytan lets you bring a talon of them as HQ, not to mention Cassian Dracos is nigh invincible, so there's that too.
>>48031380
Quite often we think of how to accomplish a thing instead of thinking whether we should or not. Because it's waaaaay funnier that way.
Just out of interest, who else lives amidst absolute chaos? I fear shit's getting out of hand and I'm going to have to do something about this soon. To be fair though I'm on a break from uni and trying to finish as many projects as possible
>>48031813
There are a couple of top contenders:
>BA
Probably at the top, since they can have assault cannons put into their fists/tits/guts, where applicable
>DG/Salamanders
For shredding poison flamers and extra hot flamers + invuls against flame/melta weapons, respectively
>DA
Fear and tank hunters in Ironwing for that little extra fuck your shit up
>IH/IW
6+ to recover lost hullpoint and free extra armour, kind of meh
>UM
Can be used to "designate" targets, and are affected by the Logos Lectora bonuses (i.e. dreads that can reroll run distances, gain counter attack)
