>The BBEG is "morally gray"
When will this meme die already?
>BBEG
When will people stop using this?
>>48010440
When people like you stop perpetuating it in such simplistic terms.
Moral complexity is not a new fad and you're dumb for thinking it is. And for thinking it only exists as some smug GM throwing orc baby scenarios at his players.
>>48010440 >>48010693
Perhaps you should've said what you were actually meaning then, you autist. If you don't like something just move on.
>>48010693
>implying fantasy must always be black and white kill a dragon save a princess polyanna fairy tales
>implying you can't kill evil without being a paragon of GoodGuyHood
>implying you can't have moral complexity in D&D just because it has Good and Evil with capital letters
>implying anything other than black and white is "modernist"
Game of Thrones is not some new genre-breaker. Or do you just not consume any media outside child-oriented point-and-click adventure games about knights and dragons?
I created a character who is meant to be an obviously evil BBEG to make it more shocking to the players when he turns out to be far less antagonistic and evil than they would have assumed from the stereotypical "Big scary guy in black ornate armor" black knight character.
Worked pretty well, at least one player said there was a moment of shock when he realized the character was actually much deeper than he'd originally assumed and wasn't just a cardboard cutout opponent to fight.
>>48010440
> Complexity is bad
> Having every solution not just be "Kill it" is bad
> Not wanting to sit down and discuss things
>>48010667
Tell me more about how unretarded someone using "Big Bad Evil Guy" is.
Oh wait, it's retarded, especially when people just fling it about when they mean "antagonist."
Considering examples of it date back to earlier than the Iliad (which was itself an example of it), probably never.
Deal with it, some people like different shit than you. Want it done differently? Run your own fucking game, you lazy turd.
>>48010440
Why is it inherently bad to have a setting where the world isn't black and white? Nobody is really inherently bad, maybe their goals go against yours or their means of accomplishing their goals are extremely harsh but the goals themselves don't need to be bad.
>>48010900
>>48010440
When you manage to pull that cock out of your mouth. But, since you've been suckling on that thing for years, I doubt that it's ever going to happen.
>>48010900
it's unretarded.
There, you got your answer, BBEG
I like morally grey antagonists in other media, but I don't think it works well in tabletop games - the villain will probably be more reasonable and sympathetic than the "heroes".
>>48011007
>The Bible is all about Good vs Evil so obviously Fantasy should be just like that.
History is full of literary and cinematic examples of characters who don't fall into neat little categories of Good or Bad. Or are Han Solo, any Clint Eastwood character, Odysseus, Heracles, Theseus, and every single outlaw myth in every culture which as them just gritty "shades of grey" edgelords?
Even Arthurian legend has more to it than just Good vs. Evil.
>>48011007
>Also what is the entire judeo Christian literary Canon
It's shit. It's a story full of holes, plagiarized from other myths and thrown together by a bunch of goatfuckers. Good is defined by being a sycophant to God and evil by rebelling, while by any sane standard God is evil as all fuck.
inb4 argumentum ad fedorum
>>48011151
>Odysseus, Heracles, Theseus
Which, pointedly, also means that moral uncertainty in protagonists and antagonists--you know, kind of a thing in ancient Greek storytelling, and even mythology--are older than the bible and the entirety of the Abrahamic canon..
So thankfully this whole dumb conversation (>>48011273, >>48011007) can be nipped in the bud
>>48011273
We could get into an edition wars debate and point out New Testament alignments are a lot less ironclad. The new Messiah deity had a much more forgiving perspective. In 2e Catholic games, as long as you just did good deeds you were still largely considered Good.
Then Martin Luther came out with 3rd Edition and it kicked off one of the dumbest alignment rules I've ever seen. Basically, you're only Good as long as you win a dice roll at the beginning of the game.
I have no problems with moral grey.
What I have a problem with is a gm trying to use moral grey to try and teach a lesson.
It is doubly insulting when a friend does this and I notice it as the same way I explain things to my 1st grade students.
>>48011353
I hate that too.
I'm >>48010796 and I didn't intend the character to teach any kind of lesson, beyond maybe not judging a book by its cover in that he looked and acted like a stereotypical paper thin villain but there was more to him than that.
Villain is lawful evil and trying to legitimately save the world from a very real threat that nobody else wants to really recognize, heroes are all various alignments of good but are puttering about doing comparatively minor quests.
The PC's have actually met him out of his armor and like him quite a bit, they don't know it's him but his alter ego is a perfectly charming and polite individual, he simply does what he feels is needed to turn back Armageddon.
>>48010440
>When will this meme die already?
It will die along with the BBEGs that are morally gray.
>>everything is a meme
when will this meme die?
>>48010440
>The BBEG is "morally gay"
>It means he doesn't stick it in the pooper until they're married
>>48011151
>The Bible is all about Good vs Evil so obviously Fantasy should be just like that.
>History is full of literary and cinematic examples of characters who don't fall into neat little categories of Good or Bad.
Fuck, the Bible ITSELF is filled with those exact same characters. One of the things the Bible does pretty well (at least compared to other holy books) is presenting its characters, barring Christ Himself, as human beings, with flaws and redeeming traits. Just look at the stories of Noah, Moses, Joshua, Solomon, David, and even the Disciples themselves - they did some things that were very much human, and are presented as such.
>It's a story full of holes, plagiarized from other myths and thrown together by a bunch of goatfuckers.
>inb4 argumentum ad fedorum
You can't fedora that hard and then not expect people to call you on it. It's pretty obvious that your understanding of the Bible is superficial AT BEST, if you have even fully read the book at all.
>>48011273
Could you be more transparent Lucifer?
>>48012854
Nah, Lucifer has at least read the book cover to cover.
>>48010440
Everyone's the hero of their own story, anon.
That said, just be clear to your players what you're trying to do. Make sure they get to fight the evil sorcerer Zargothrax and his legion of ancestral demons if that what they signed up for, but if you're playing Shadowrun or agents of a not-Venice trading empire, you're not gonna fight the hordes of evil, you'll fight a bunch of dudes trying to earn for their families, and probably some noble who can cite exactly as many atrocities your house has committed as you can against his.
It all has its place, but every villain, even if horrible, evil and irredeemable, deserves to be more than just one-dimensional.
>>48012792
I feel that 4chan has had a huge influx of christian believers or apologists lately.
Not that believing is wrong, but it somehow confuses me how it can be fit into a hobby that calmly discusses fictional worlds other, tangible gods without some kind of cognitive dissonance.
I can understand that if you really literally believe that there's gods watching over us, then perhaps you imagine fantasy worlds as just other worlds with different gods doing that.
But... if you believe that there are supernatural elements shaping our world and daily life, then aren't you actually thinking that we already LIVE in a fantasy world?
>>48012985
you say that like you've never played a cleric of Yahweh or Jehovah before
>>48012875
>It all has its place, but every villain, even if horrible, evil and irredeemable, deserves to be more than just one-dimensional.
One dimensional villains are fun though, especially if it's painfully obvious how much they enjoy doing what they do and simply do not give a fuck about the consequences. In Shadowrun or other dystopian future settings, I always imagine it'd be fun to have some incredibly corrupt corporate crook as the big bad. The kind who runs the largest company in the setting, a company that has a damn near monopoly on [insert valuable commodity here] because all market competitors end up going bankrupt under questionable circumstances. Or their CEOs disappear. Or the board of directors suddenly decides to take that company in an entirely different direction. Or suddenly the leading figures are accused of crimes so scandalous that their careers are ruined even if they're proven innocent. And the political establishment, in as far as it is active, always tends to pass laws in their favor.
The BEG is responsible for many horrible atrocities, and she knows this. But she's not losing any sleep over it, mostly because she knows she's untouchable. The media can always be... convinced to depict her in a favorable light and she cannot be harmed as long as she's in public. This is why she takes great joy in rubbing her invulnerability in the faces of the protagonists.
And why does she do all this? Because she's an incredibly petty person who loves power and holds grudges for years, if not decades. A boy once pulled her pigtails in elementary school. Twenty years later she got the man evicted from his house, demolished it and turned the lot into a garbage dump. Why? Because she can.
>>480129854chan is counterculture. As culture changes, so does the counterculture.
>>48011007
>Also what is the entire judeo Christian literary Canon
Remember David became a vassal of the Philistines, seduced a woman and murdered her husband, killed his own son (which even he thought was awful)?
>>48010440
You're right OP,
characters that are evil for the sake of being evil are so much more interesting and mature.
>>48013107
Absolutely, but you've just described the villain as something more than just one-dimensional. She does it because she can and because she enjoys it. See every process serial killer ever, essentially. Their reason, their extra dimension if you will, is that once way or another they get off to the power trip.
And a villain you hate can be fun too. Each has their place.
>>48010440
>2016
>BBEG
Have you heard about terms like "antagonist" or "villain"? Or a story that doesn't involve some moustache twirling evil-doer and instead focuses on other stuff than Bond-style camp bullshit?
>>48013038
I've played clerics in RPGs, but being a cleric of a supernatural power granting me the power of miracles is clearly in the realm of fiction to me. Within the same realm as ghosts, dragons and goblins.
I just feel it would be weird to think goblins and dragons are fiction, but at the same time believe supernatural powers are not. If you believe in gods, what's to stop you from believing anything else. Like those ghosts?
Doesn't the world become quite strange and unpredictable if you believe in that stuff? How do you justify this worldview when you, day after day and year after year, never see anything supernatural?
>>48010640
What's this comic?
>>48010522
>>48013203
You sure are butthurt about this trivial matter. It's just a term people use, get over it.
>>48010440
>When will this meme die already?
when will this meme die?
>>48013142
I don't really understand why people think moral complexity automatically means shallow contrarianism. Other than they just have that knee-jerk reaction to Game of Thrones because it's popular.
But not even the show is that bad. It's got some pretty retard-tier moments, but that's just because Dan and Dave are hacks who think shock value is all you need for good storytelling
>>48012527
If you play it like that, what's the real threat no-one wants to recognize then? It has to be convincing enough too.
Personally, I'd have no problems with either morally gray antagonists or actually evil ones. The problem with 'gray' ones is that you have to give them good enough reason to stay antagonists.
If the opponent is reasonable, then (s)he can be reasoned with, and ceases to be an opponent. It'd be silly if a big showdown could be avoided just by having a little chat. Not necessarily unsatisfying, but definitely a bit silly.
And really evil antagonists can be great fun if they're just honestly that and somehow believable. Wouldn't mind something like >>48013107 at all.
>>48012985
>it somehow confuses me how it can be fit into a hobby that calmly discusses fictional worlds other, tangible gods without some kind of cognitive dissonance
I'm also an atheist, and it somehow confuses me how that kind of mindset can be fit into a hobby that is half about complex and nuanced characters. Identity and beliefs are really complex things, man.
>>48013217
>How do you justify this worldview when you, day after day and year after year, never see anything supernatural?
There are plenty of things we can't directly see. The electrical transmission of information in a brain. Atoms, the way planets rotate around stars, what's inside a living cell... yet we firmly believe in them because since we were kids we've been told they were true.
Of course, you could go and check for yourself. But you, like me, probably never did it. Thus you can't be totally sure it's true. Yet you are. And without having ever seen it for yourself, it is as weird as believing in a god, and can also be seen as totally arbitrary.
The point I'm trying to make is you don't need to see something in person to believe it to be true.
>>48013285
Just as long as you realize you sound stupid for using it.
>>48010900
>especially when people just fling it about when they mean "antagonist."
Well sure, when people incorrectly use a term it's retarded. Look at how many times you see "cuck" on this website now. But people have been literally figuratively been doing that shit forever.
>>48012985
>I feel that 4chan has had a huge influx of christian believers or apologists lately.
What it is, is that 4chan is contrarian as fuck. It is built on being counter, even counter to the counterculture. So when there begins to be an influx of pseudo-intellectual edgelord fedora atheists, Anon, who for the most part does not actually believe in much of anything except ass and titties, will feel the need to step up and be a smartass. That's why we had moralfag and anti-moralfag arguments, that's why the Trump support is so strong, and that's even why you're starting to see a lot of anti-Trump stuff around the site. There is so much vitriol on 4chan that it regularly turns in on itself to leech some of the hate.
>>48012671
>>48013293
Every meme dies, that's a fact. Maybe every meme that dies, someday comes back.
>>48013478
In this setting, the moon is brought close to the planet, resulting in meteor showers and monsters falling down to ransack the surface world.
Everyone just wants to think it's random monster attacks, few want to realize that it's actually an organized invasion at the behest of the lunar gods who want to exterminate or subjugate all life on the planet.
Character in question is a hellknight fighting the invasion to save the world, because he's LAWFUL evil and right now lawful is way more important. Good and evil can wait for when the world isn't facing imminent extinction.
He's only an antagonist because the party stumbled into one of his operations and attacked him and his minions, he would be perfectly willing to resolve their differences peacefully and work together against a common threat, but the party, especially one character, hates his guts for somewhat unjustified reasons and wants to kill him on sight.
Interesting inversal of how it usually is, with the good guy party being the one continuing the conflict out of sheer hate and spite for a character who only really fought them because they were both after the same maguffin and ended up fighting over it.
I made the character, the players made him their antagonist.
>>48010440
Wouldn't that instead make him a "BBNG"?
>>48013629
>People say sound when they mean look
When will people stop doing this?
>>48010440
>bbeg is evil as fuck in exactly the way that many humans in real life are evil
>our characters have direct motivation to stop him and ultimately taking him down is satisfying
It's almost like tropes exist because their effective, who knew?
>>48014551
>he actually believes good and evil exist in real life
>>48014611
Well maybe not but characters that are characterized to my sensibilities of evil are good enough.
>>48010522
Oh Anti-BBEG-kun, please never stop being butthurt over a common term. You make me feel so much more adjusted.
>>48010440
Because life is exceedingly rarely morally black and white.
Art imitates life after all.
>>48013953
Put your photoshop on, fix your gif real pretty,
And meet me tonight in canhascheezburger city.
>>48013597
I'm not saying you are wrong in you're beliefs, but your justification is fucking retarded.
>>48013850
If most people don't use it "correctly", and it's just a bit of dumb slang without any inherent definition (big bad evil guy doesn't really tell you anything and is often completely wrong because the villain is either not big, not a guy, or not even not bad or evil), it's no surprise that it's just developed into a dumb thing dumb people say because they've never encountered the 40+ words used to describe an antagonist.
It's just a dumb meme used by dumb people, a la frogposting.
>>48013272
Honestly, I don't know. I just find it really, really amusing.
It's been a long time since I've watched Doug, but I don't ever remember him sharing any traits with Rorschach.
>>48011007
Well maybe I want some FANTASY in my fantasy instead of it being like real life, so I put shades of grey in my fantasy
>>48012854
How many people has Lucifer murdered compared to God throughout the Old Testement.
Hell, God wiped out all life on earth in a great flood yet Lucifer is considered the prince of evil...because God said so.
>The OP posts a single line of text describing a trope followed by "when will this meme die already"
When will this meme die already?
>>48010440
>When will this meme die
When you stop wearing hats indoors.
>>48016692
Well, I mean he does turn into a crazy superhero and fucks with people on rare occasion.
Also I think it's just a reference to an episode where he got stuck in a burger joint with that asshole.
>The BMGG is "bad evil"
When will this meme die already?
>>48013120
David didn't kill his son. David ordered Joab to "be gentle" to Absalom for his sake but Joab had him killed anyway. http://biblehub.com/niv/2_samuel/18.htm
>>48010440
>BBEG is definitely both evil and an asshole
>still has a coherent motivation and isn't stupid
>>48013629
Except I don't. You're the one who looks like sperg with a stick up his ass.
>>48021560
Except you do.
You also seem really committed to trying to defend your dumb little acronym, and that makes you extra stupid.
>>48021582
I don't even use that acronym, I'm just annoyed by how anal you get every time someone else does.
>>48021582
The real idiot is getting spergy about an acronym that conveniently says what it need to say because it's not using the longer to write word.
You are a fucking dumbass faggot.
>>48010440
Wouldn't he be a BBMGG in that case?
>>48011327
Aren't you mixing up Lutheranism with Calvinism? I don't remember Luther preaching predestination. Also, wasn't Luther the one that preached salvation through faith alone, rather than requiring faith and works?
>>48021683
>that conveniently says what it need to say
So why are you using BBEG, which doesn't conveniently say anything, thanks to its expanded form meaning largely nothing and people failing to agree on its exact definition?
Also, foe is a letter shorter, Mr. "I'm trying to argue that using a dumb-sounding four-letter acronym is done for the sake of efficiency."
>>48023234
Because fuck you. Fuck you, specifically, you rancid sack of shit.
>>48023298
>wah, my pet term is stupid
That's your fault for having a stupid pet term.
>>48023318
No, the term is fine. One little triggered shiteater =/= something being bad.
>>48023234
Foe is for an enemy.
BBEG Is for the evil mastermind.
Stop butthurt anon, you're becoming virt level annoying
>>48023320
I'm not even the first guy to complain about it in this thread. Sorry if you're hoping to pretend that your pet term doesn't genuinely sound retarded and you fail to recognize that.
Big bad evil guy. Do you think you're being cute talking like you're in preschool?
>>48023337
Do you think you're being cute samefagging like a faggot, and throwing a fit when everyone disagrees with you?
>>48023329
Except a lot of people don't use it that way.
And, some people argue that BBEG isn't "just" the evil mastermind, but the power behind the evil mastermind, the "true villain" or "final boss", which might not even be intelligent.
It's not as clear as you want it to be, because, surprise, it's a level of unnecessary obfuscation for the sake of sounding like a little kid because you think acting dumb is the same as being humorous.
>>48023346
Why are you so desperate to pretend that only a few people don't think "Big Bad Evil Guy" sounds stupid? What's your attachment to it?
>>48023358
Except the vast majority of people use it that way, my samefagging little triggered bitch.
Stop crying because you got hurled out of the last game because they got annoyed you threw a fit when someone used it.
>>48023379
Why are you so desperate to pretend otherwise, little triggered bitch?
Anti BBEG anon is the true /tg/'s BBEG.
Virt was just a foe :^)
>>48023388
>vast majority
You can't say that, because you can't actually tell that. From the raw context, BBEG just ends up being largely interchangeable with the more general "villain", so it's no surprise that a lot of people end up thinking that's the definition and just using that instead. What you're making the mistake of is assuming that people follow your definition, when there's plenty of examples of people mislabeling characters as BBEGs when they're actually just second or lower in command and similar, common "mistakes" like in the case of OP.
Hell, you even managed to fail a bit, because you added "evil" to the mastermind definition, when plenty of BBEG examples are not evil, such as is sometimes the case with evil protagonists.
Also, your personal definition is limited, and less useful, so it gets used less. I know YOU think it's all easy and clear, but that's part of you being just generally dumb, with the second part being you failing to understand how other people communicate because you get violently upset when people tell you your use of language is awful.
It's a bad, needless term that sounds like you're six and is neither self-evident nor anywhere near as universally understood as you hope to claim it is, with even you yourself tripping over its definition.
>>48012985
Fantasy worlds have completely different supernatural elements, though. I believe that, at least in the modern day, the power of God tends to be far more subtle, if God is in fact intervening in the physical world at all. A world where powerful supernatural beings are running around violating the laws of nature, and where humans can do the same by chanting nonsense and waving their hands, is just as fantastical for me as it is for you. Possibly moreso, since it's antithetical to my "fantasy world." But it's still fun to tell stories about those kinds of fantasy worlds.
>>48023388
The vast majority of people use "literally" to mean "figuratively."
>>48023399
You first. Why do you love sounding stupid?
Do you do it for the "irony" of calling scary villains something childish and not scary-sounding, complete with the redundant "bad evil" part characteristic of something that comes from the mind of a small child?
Or do you just have the mind of a small child?
>>48023458
No, I can, and am, saying it. You are in a major minority. Now stop crying, and pull up your bigboy panties, you samefagging faggot.
>>48023523
>No, I can, and am, saying it
Saying something wrong doesn't magically make it right.
I kind of expected you to flounder a bit when I called you out on failing to define BBEG properly under the assumption that BBEG even HAS a proper definition, but to just try and completely sidestep your mistake is just a poor show.
It's a bad acronym. It's not cool to use it, and trying to perpetuate your little "secret club" mentality has wound up corrupting the term to the point of uselessness.
It would be like referring to western dragons as "SLGL" (scaly large giant lizards), and then wondering why some people use SLGL to refer to dragons in general, to non-dragons, or even just any big lizard, and also wondering why some people think you're stupid for using SLGL in the first place.
>>48023573
And you being a salty autist doesn't change the truth.
Look, only one of us is throwing a bitchfit about a word we don't like, and gets actually upset that people dare to like something you don't.
Take a few steps back, and actually think about your fucking life.
>>48023585
This is hardly a bitchfit. Explaining to you why you sound stupid is simply that, and you grasping for weak Ad Hominem makes it clear that you either already recognize how dumb your pet term is, or you're just genuinely incapable of simple comprehension.
If you like it, that means it reflects your tastes, and your tastes are apparently enjoying sounding like a small child, using cloudy jargon just for the sake of using jargon, and trying to defend a largely senseless four-letter acronym as if you genuinely think it's clever and adorable.
>>48023573
Also, guy. It has a proper definition.
Type it into google. You get this.
Now try to be less of a salty, triggered bitch.
>>48023618
See >>48023626
And no, this is a bitchfit. You have been whining, non-stop for the last half-hour of how DARE people use something you don't like. The actual fuck's wrong with you?
>>48023626
That definition is not "evil mastermind."
I think BBEG should only be used for the bad guy in charge of all the others. He's the big bad evil guy, the others are just bad evil guys.It won't ruin my day if you disagree with me, though.
>>48023640
I'm explaining what's wrong with it. In clear language, which seems to be alien to you.
If anything, I'd have to call you simply screaming "STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE" a bitchfit.
I don't like it because it's worthless jargon that's neither clever or amusing. Are you going to argue it's clever or amusing?
>>48023653
I'm going to argue it's amusing to watch you open up a sodium mine because you're so triggered over people using an acronym you don't like, yes. It's utterly hilarious.
It's something you don't like. That's ok. Most people don't seem to think it's childish or silly, otherwise you'd have a lot more people agreeing with you, rather then pointing and laughing as the salt flows.
>>48023648
That's literally the actual thing it describes.
The final final boss.
>>48023653
>>48023671
>itt: two autists argue for hours over which of them is more autistic.
If you're this hung up on "evil," does it has to be a "guy" as well? Can something female or non-gendered not be a BBEG?
No wicked faerie queens or ancient matriarch dragons?
No automata? No elemental evils?
No just plain wicked bitches?
>>48023671
I like how you're trying to play a numbers game, when we're just discussing a genuinely stupid term in a throw-away thread.
You can keep trying to meme about salt and what not, and to try and pretend you're laughing when you're just genuinely upset that your pet term is being called stupid, but regardless of how much you wish it to be otherwise, you're just perpetuating something that is explicitly childish (please, try to argue that it doesn't sound childish so I can laugh at you), but moreover is unnecessary and confusing, with even people trying to support one definition coming into conflict with just how specific or general it is.
>>48023731
>N-no, you're actually upset!
>Stop laughing at me!
Holy fucking shit, mate.
>>48023753
Please, try to actually pay attention to the core of the argument, instead of running away while still feeling compelled to post in order to preserve your ego.
It sounds childish. You can't honestly deny that.
And not in the good, mouth-of-the-babe, innocence and sparkles kind of childish way, but in the "this child hasn't learned how to speak properly yet, I hope he fixes that once he starts up school" manner.
>>48023782
I am paying attention to the core of the argument.
And that's you are a triggered little bitch that can't stop projecting your own asshurt onto others.
That's been my central thesis from step one. You actually just pulled the "No one could actually be laughing at my autistim, they MUST be actually upset!" card. Holy fucking shit, man.
>>48023808
>And that's you are a triggered little bitch that can't stop projecting your own asshurt onto others.
No, that's just you being upset.
Do I need to repeat myself? Please, just settle this for me.
Tell me it doesn't sound childish. Argue that point. Go on.
The card I played is the "You're so upset you can't even discuss the matter anymore" card, and by golly, you're really turning that into a trump card with your continued flailing and weak ad hom.
>>48023808
>>48023831
Ladies, ladies, you're both salty bitches.
>>48023713
The important thing is you made yourself feel superior to both by being a smug dick right?
Its pretty damn obvious the guy having a temper tantrum about a common term everyone understands is in the wrong here. Before this thread I had never heard a single person claim its a childish term.
>>48023955
>Before this thread I had never heard a single person claim its a childish term.
Because it's self-evident?
>>48023955
>about a common term everyone understands
Except, that's not the case, and it's also not a term that lends itself to be easily understood.
It's also less common than you imagine, being used largely only by a subgroup, but once again you're just trying to turn this into a game of numbers.
>tantrum
NoU.jpg. Really, you might as well stop if that's all you're going to do, throw a tantrum and then rely on hoping you can say the other person is throwing one as the core of your argument.
>You're a bad guy
>For you
>>48023955
>implying either of you is in the right
>>48023968
Except it obviously isn't because its a widely accepted term which is never described as childish by the vast majority of people.
Perfectly mature adults use it in their RPG groups all the time. That is an objective fact unless you are going to start calling everybody who does not irrationally dislike the term like you do childish just to make yourself feel better.
You have not even used any actual arguments, just kept whining and repeating yourself.
>>48023729
Big Bad Evil Girl.
Done.
>>48024017
He's totally going to call everyone who likes it childish.
Okay, here is a thingie to test the "vast majority" claim
http://www.strawpoll.me/10619714
>>48023991
Different person here genius. And it is an extremely common term among people who play DnD style RPG's.
>>48023997
People like you should be ashamed of yourselves.
If you are too lazy or cowardly to stand up to assholes you should at least not post. Instead you shit on everyone as if that makes you superior.
>>48011134
So the PCs are seens as more villainous then, what, is that not allowed?
>>48024046
And how will this account for all the normal IRL players who use the term BBEG and never even considered the idea its 'childish'.
>>48024076
I don't understand what do you want to say
>>48024100
Most people who use the term BBEG just think its one of the fun, harmless bits of DnD jargon.
It has never even occurred to them there is an asshole on the internet who gets pissed off by people using it. I had never even heard of the idea it was 'childish' before half an hour ago.
>>48024049
Both sides are assholes, and there's no point in standing up to autists about silly bullshit like what to call the final boss of a campaign. So save your hypocritical self-righteousness for something that actually matters instead of a thread on 4chan.
>>48024017
>Perfectly mature adults
I'm going to deny you saying that is objective fact, on the grounds that, well, it isn't. I can agree some people more mature than you yourself use it, but that hardly constitutes perfectly mature, and for the most part I've noticed that the more mature people tend to avoid that term (or, they seem more mature because they don't use it?).
Also, could you imagine meeting someone in real life who used "BBEG" when talking? How much of a cringe-fest would that be? it's really just some awful internet slang that's silly and childish because being childish with acronyms was in vogue for a while.
And, why stop repeating myself if you can't actually argue against the points raised? It seems like you just want to avoid them rather than address them.
>>48024017
>Perfectly mature adults
even more unreal than unicorns
>>48024128
Oh look, the salt mine has reopened.
>>48024147
>"eternally triggered bitch-anon" evolved
>>48024121
See, you cannot stop yourself.
I am not a hypocrite, I just don't think its okay to let an irrational whiner stop people using a harmless term. That does not make you an asshpole and only an idiot would claim it does.
>>48024156
Stop trying to force that meme, you rancid sack of shit.
>>48024128
Yes I can imagine it because its a harmless word DnD players use.
You have not actually given a reason its childish or raised any real points and I don't think you can. You just keep saying you dislike it. And when was 'being childish with acronyms' cool exactly?
You are not allowed to call other people immature when you keep attacking a perfectly valid term over and over for no actual reason.
>>48014611
>Being a relativist
At least I can respect you somewhat for taking your godless worldview to its logical conclusion.
>>48024161
>irrational
There's already been plenty of rational explanations as to why it's a bad term
>harmless term
It's unnecessary and poorly constructed jargon that sounds childish and is largely outdated. It's hardly the worst thing in the world, but there's nothing wrong with saying that you believe people who choose to use that acronym are the equivalent of people who wear 80's plastic jackets unironically.
God tier:
>BBEG is an evil prick
>Second-in-command is sympathetic
Fun tier:
>BBEG is sympethetic
>Second-in-command is the real bad guy, manipulating his boss for his own ends
Okay tier:
>BBEG is a prick
>Second-in-command is also a prick, but a different kind of prick
Boring tier:
>BBEG and his second-in-command are pricks who want to detroy/rule the rule for no good reason
Shit tier:
>BBEG are both sympathetic with PAAAIN AND HAAAATE MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEAD tragic backstories
>>48024187
>You have not actually given a reason its childish or raised any real points and I don't think you can
You can't just ignore arguments and say they're not there. Calm down, and actually reread some of the stuff you couldn't initially comprehend in your fit of rage.
>>48024230
You don't HAVE any arguments, saltmine. YOu just keep whining and crying about how it's childish, because you think so and your opinion is clearly objectively fact.
>>48024210
>>48024230
You are just wasting your time.
No sane person will change the way their group talks about DnD because someone on the internet has a silly dislike of a term.
It won't make them more mature if they stop using it, it will just mean an asshole got his way. Which funnily enough means your aggressive attitude just makes people even less likely to stop using a term they have always used.
>>48012985
My entire group is composed of Christians, Southern Baptists in fact. It's not really that odd; consider that THE fantasy author, JRR Tolkien, was a devout Catholic, but included no shortage of supernatural elements in his stories that clearly aren't God intervening.
Funnily enough, I've actually considered your last point, but I think that the answer varies from person to person, and the degree to which they think supernatural elements involve themselves. Personally, I'm inclined to think that there really might be weird crap that lurks in the woods and doesn't really obey natural laws, but that's mostly because I spend far too much time on /k/.
As a very general rule, Christians tend to view the world as a more or less orderly place that mostly just obeys the rules God set down, and that He rarely directly intervenes, which makes supernatural shenanigans far more significant.
>>48024239
Reread. If you want me to copy-paste a fair amount, here you go.
> From the raw context, BBEG just ends up being largely interchangeable with the more general "villain", so it's no surprise that a lot of people end up thinking that's the definition and just using that instead. What you're making the mistake of is assuming that people follow your definition, when there's plenty of examples of people mislabeling characters as BBEGs when they're actually just second or lower in command and similar, common "mistakes" like in the case of OP.
>Hell, you even managed to fail a bit, because you added "evil" to the mastermind definition, when plenty of BBEG examples are not evil, such as is sometimes the case with evil protagonists.
>Also, your personal definition is limited, and less useful, so it gets used less. I know YOU think it's all easy and clear, but that's part of you being just generally dumb, with the second part being you failing to understand how other people communicate because you get violently upset when people tell you your use of language is awful.
>It's a bad, needless term that sounds like you're six and is neither self-evident nor anywhere near as universally understood as you hope to claim it is, with even you yourself tripping over its definition.
>>48024264
Yeah, probably best to just ignore him. There's no convincing the autist, and he'll just whine unending anyway. There's no dialog to be had here, he's set his mind and there's no possibility of moving him. Mock once, then move on. The salt mine isn't even funny anymore, it's just kinda sad.
>>48024290
>There's no dialog to be had here,
That's on your end, because you're convinced that your pet term isn't stupid, regardless of how it's explained to you. There's plenty of room to discuss the term, but you really can't figure out how to defend it effectively.
That's why it's only proper to call you stupid yourself.
>>48024852
Sure, Saltmine. Sure. Rubber and glue that thing all you want, it won't make you any less of a salty autist.
Your arguments are dogshit. You've been proven wrong on the definition, and all else is just you whining about how you don't like it and it's 'childish'.
So that's why it's only proper to call you a stupid, salty autist pissed off people like things you don't. Go die in a fire.
>>48024852
remember, shitposting is against the rules.
>>48027533
>You've been proven wrong on the definition,
Not at all. And, the very OP of this thread supports that it's a term that people commonly misuse or confuse.
It's a bad term because aside from sounding childish (or, rather, sounding stupid), it's an acronym for the useless "Big Bad Evil Guy", which is often a contradictory descriptor and doesn't inherently define itself, even with being four words (which might be due to two of them being largely redundant).
It's dumb. Get upset all you want, scream about salt and austism, but it's still stupid and you, you personally, are stupid for using it.
>>48027653
Nah. Keep crying, Saltmine.
>>48011151
>History is full of literary and cinematic examples of characters who don't fall into neat little categories of Good or Bad.
>any Clint Eastwood character
Like The good the bad and the ugly?
>>48027653
But...you are being autistic. And you are the one crying and stamping your feet and screaming about people liking a thing you don't like.
You are, in fact, being a salty autist.
>>48027653
Do you have any argument besides "it's stupid?"
>>48027710
No, he doesn't. It's stupid, people don't understand it(Proven wrong) and...that's about it. He's a living mine of salt, screaming his autism to the sky.
I can't believe you're still arguing over this shit.
>>48027701
You're senselessly telling me that you like what I don't like and you don't like me not liking what you like, while I'm explaining the reasons why it's bad.
You like a dumb acronym that's pointlessly obfuscated. Bad jargon is bad jargon, and only persists thanks to idiots, of which you are quite proud to admit you are part of their ranks.
>>48027710
Can you read? More arguments have been provided, but I fear you are just too genuinely stupid.
You are literally an idiot.
>>48027749
You don't HAVE any reasons, saltmine. That's what we keep explaining to you, over and over and over, but you are too fucking stupid to understand.
You don't like it. We get that. Now shut the fuck up.
>>48027765
Every argument you have made in the thread is just variant of "it's stupid."
Even your fucking ad-hominem response is just calling people stupid or variant there of.
>>48027749
No, you are constantly screaming everyone who likes it is stupid, and we should all bow to your superior knowledge. If you can't understand why people react badly to this, the other guy's right, you're a salty autist.
>>48027816
>>48027847
Please.
It's hardly a variant of "it's stupid" just because I'm explaining WHY it's stupid.
I get it. You're at the end of your wits, so you need to pretend that you can just ignore everything piled up against you, and all you've got is "salt."
>>48027878
>No, you are constantly screaming everyone who likes it is stupid
The only reason I'm saying that is because people seem keen on proving it. Who am I to dismiss the evidence they provide?
I cant believe there are faggots who still get butthurt over BBEG. What the fuck guys
>>48027898
But you're not.
>It's stupid because I don't like it, now let me repeat this in 20 slightly different ways
Isn't an arugment. It's you being an assmad faggot.
>>48027898
And that's all that's needed, because you have -literally- nothing. You're a fucking saltyass autistic faggot.
>>48027739
Welcome to spergchan.
>>48027920
There's one(1) faggot that's a literal mine of salt about it. Just one. That's it. One salty, assmad faggot.
Who will argue for literal hours, constantly repeating his bleated refrain. Don't feel sympathy for him. This is the path he chose. Just point and laugh.
>>48024046
5 "bbeg is ok" vs 2 "bbeg is dumb" is majority
>>48027920
It's literally just a handful of guys--if not just one fag--who show up in every thread where "BBEG" is used. It's been going on for about two months now.
The real problem is every time they show up everyone else in the thread engages them. It's such a stupid fucking argument to have, even by 4chan standards.
>>48028002
Judging by strawpoll, there are two
>>48028036
Look, given how salty this autist is, I'd not be even slightly surprised he'd reset his router.
>>48027910
how many fedoras/trilbys/fez/top hat do you own?
I'm actually curious now.
>>48027969
You want the list?
People misuse and confuse it's definition ALL THE TIME. Even in the OP up above, and later on by someone vehemently claiming to know the definition.
It's specific definition is too specific for general use, so people tend to use it more generally to refer to any major villain, rather than the final, final boss.
It's often a misnomer, since the final villain need not be big, bad, evil, or a guy.
Bad and evil are largely redundant.
It's absolutely unnecessary, and only used due to being popularized by television, where it's definition was quite different from the more specific one you subscribe to, adding another layer of confusion.
It sounds like what a small child would say.
I could go on, but that's already a lot more than "literally" nothing. But, it's no surprise that you also don't know how to use "literally" correctly.
>>48028070
I'd say he owns about half a dozen trilbies and at least one top hat.
They're kept above his trenchcoats and dragon-pattern button downs. At the floor are two pars of hiking boots and three pairs of sandals.
The fingerless gloves are in the sock drawer.
>>48028100
This is all just you whining about your cunt hurting. That's it. Literally. It.
You saltyassed motherfucker.
>>48028100
>Bad and evil are largely redundant.
>It sounds like what a small child would say.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour
>>48028145
So, you've given up? You're just going to scream "SALT SALT SALT" and make yourself look more like an idiot than you already have?
Once again, no surprise you don't know what literally means.
>>48023729
The word people should use is 'antagonist'.
>>48028100
>It's specific definition is too specific for general use, so people tend to use it more generally to refer to any major villain, rather than the final, final boss.
It's too specific to use, but people use it generally.
So you mean it's a general term that people use.
It can't be both too specific and too general you fucking idiot.
>>48028168
Nigger, only one of us has been shitposting about a term they don't like for the last several months. I couldn't make myself look more of an idiot then you if I tried.
Your cunt hurts because people use a term you don't like. We fucking get it, autist. No fuck off.
>>48028183
Nah, saltmine. BBEG works just fine.
>>48028197
You seem to be trying to defend the term though, and that's even sadder.
Out of all the dumb pet terms to adopt, you really picked one that makes you look like an idiot for trying to defend it.
I'm kekekeing so hard from this thread
OP got what he deserves
>>48028272
Well, I guess the meme is dead, so yeah. Instead we get the cancer of BBEG bitching.
I miss the old meme.
>>48028252
This is why I continually call you an autist, Saltmine.
I'm MOCKING YOU. Because you are a stupid, salty autist. That's it. I don't care about the term, not really. It's just your autismic knee-jerk reaction to scream and cry about it every time makes you easy to pick out and shit on.
>>48028252
Oh my god, just shut up. Have you literally nothing better to do with your Life?
>>48028166
When was that actually funny though? 1998?
>>48028272
What's funny is most of OP's salt about "shades of grey' is gone.
>>48028288
You can't really mock someone if all you do is scream salt and autism, especially when you're being salty and autistic about someone calling you out on sounding stupid when you use a term intended to sound stupid.
You like being dumb on purpose, but that's still just you being dumb.
n-nobody wants to talk about moral gray areas anymore?
>>48028332
Keep telling yourself that, Saltmine. I'm sure someone who's as stupid as you might actually believe that.
>>48028352
Moral grayness:
>done right
good
>done wrong by edgy newbs who try to mimic ones done right
very shit
Next question
>>48028352
OP seems willing to talk about orally gay areas
'cus he can't stop sucking dick
>>48028378
You're telling me that "Big Bad Evil Guy" wasn't someone doing their best to sound stupid for the sake of weak comedy?
I guess you've just ended up as the butt of the joke without realizing it.
Or worse, you actually think it's genuinely funny.
>>48028403
Nah. You are still being a shitty, salty retard.
Note everyone here is either mocking you, telling you to shut up, or telling you to fuck off, or some combination of the three.
Should really tell you something, but you're probably too autistic to care.
>>48028352
NO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPORTANT THINGS.
>>48028332
pro tip: saying "nuh huh no you" is not how you win an argument. Also I recommend a thesaurus. stupid and dumb is clear but you should flair up your language more. Why, I can't even find a 1 instance of the word moron or moronic.you fucking idiot
>>48021778
you're right
>>48028352
Problem is OP presented it in really faggy way. It's patently obvious he buys into some kind of extreme perspective where anything with humanized bad guys exists because the GM has a sophomoric understanding of morality. And wants to teach the players "a lesson".
Basically, "moral grey" just means "orc baby what do" to guys like OP.
>>48028422
Not everyone, and more importantly, three or four idiots shouting "salt" like they think it means anything is hardly enough to substitute for a rational argument.
You even trying to use a few idiots as some kind of argument kind of paints what kind of corner you're in. But please, let me type up your response for you.
>"SALT AUTISM SALT LEAVE MY PET ALONE SALT SALT SALT."
See? Saved you the effort, so you don't even need to rub the two remaining brain cells in your otherwise empty skull together to try and formulate a response.
>>48028430
>pro tip: saying "nuh huh no you" is not how you win an argument.
Nor is pretending that's what I said.
>calling you out on sounding stupid when you use a term intended to sound stupid.
You're going to deny that? That it didn't originate as sounding stupid for the sake of sounding stupid?
>>48028476
You don't HAVE a rational argument, you shithead. How many times do we have to explain this to you? We've pulled it apart a number of times, but you just clog your ears and scream 'nuhuh!' every time.
Cry more, bitchnigga.
>>48021778
>>48028456
Whoops. I got mixed up.
I guess it was the 3.5 Edition which kicked that shit off.
I only play 2e anyways. Though I only ever get myself to go to game twice a year.
My brother and sister used to play with me. But my brother decided to check out other systems and my sister started trying out 1st Edition after moving to Hollywood.
>>48028506
You're haven't even tackled a single point on this list.
>>48028100
All you've done is say salt, and then you have the audacity to say I'm the one clogging my ears.
>>48028536
Because you are salt incarnate. Notice how you constantly sage the thread, praying other people won't notice your stupidly and join in on mocking you.
And yes, the 'list' has been pulled apart. Read the fucking thread, Saltmine.
Doesn't "Big Bad Evil Guy" come from Buffy?
It sounds like something you'd hear on Buffy.
>>48028558
I sage because this is a stupid discussion and I can recognize that, because I'm talking with a literal idiot.
You bump because you are proud of being stupid.
>>48028577
apparently so if Wiki has any credibility
>>48028619
Can you feel smug away from the computer then?
Stop posting salt so the majority of us who aren't fucking insane can get on.
Or we could do this until autosage hits. Which ever you want, man. You seem tragically dedicated.
>>48028619
No, I bump to drag your idiocy into the light, screaming and crying as your cunt hurts all the more.
Because you are a shitty, stupid idiot on a crusade because people dare to like something you don't like.
So your point is "BBEG is a stupid term meant to sound stupid".
And our point is "People will still use it as they deem fit".
And also "You pretending to have a point and arguing about this non-argument for a straight day sounds much more stupid anyway".
>>48028619
> this is a stupid discussion and I can recognize that, because I'm talking with a literal idiot.
Yet you keep posting. You bored or something?
>>48028620
I figured. Isn't it funny when lines from television become part of a lexicon?
>>48028558
Was it pulled apart?
The first major point can't really be pulled apart, because there are posts in this very thread that prove it. If you can't even get past that hurdle, you can't even pretend you can argue past that.
The rest are also fairly solid, even if complaining about the redundancy is a bit meek.
Following that, the only responses were "It's dumb because it's trying to be funny" and some guy who failed to understand what was being said.
>>48028687
You claim it is CONSTANTLY misused. One or two posts in this thread isn't constantly, shithead.
You make the claim, prove it.
As for the rest? Yes, they've also been pulled apart. I'm sorry you're so fucking thick, but, well, it happens.
>>48028666
>"BBEG is a stupid term meant to sound stupid".
Originally meant to sound stupid. Now, the irony is lost and it's just stupid.
>"People will still use it as they deem fit"
They use it according to their personal definitions that are not universally shared or understood, which makes it quite clumsy for use in a discussion.
>>48028719
Only most people that aren't salty autists whining about their cunts hurting understand the intent instantly.
It works just find. You're just angry people like a thing.
>>48028719
>personal definitions that are not universally shared or understood, which makes it quite clumsy for use in a discussion.
I mean, I could point out you're the only person I've ever seen who had a problem with it. Or the only times anyone expresses confusion at the term is when they've never heard it, and are promptly satisfied when told it means "Big Bad Evil Guy".
But that contradicts your narrative, so I guess I'm wrong. My bad then.
>>48028704
It is constantly misused. Or, rather, people who use it don't use the definition you use.
Contextually, most people use it interchangeably with "antagonist" or "villain", which is what ends up how people decide to define it for themselves because the more specific definition is just not as relevant in ordinary discussion.
>As for the rest? Yes, they've also been pulled apart.
That's not how things work. You can't say they have been, especially when most can't be "pulled apart" because they're just stated facts.
>>48028783
PROVE IT YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER. ACTUALLY PROVIDE FUCKING PROOF.
You made a goddamn claim, now fucking prove it or go kill yourself.
Also, your opinions ain't fucking facts. You are taking this assmad cunt-hurt to a whole new level, Saltmine, I'm legit starting to worry about your mental state.
>>48028768
>and are promptly satisfied when told it means "Big Bad Evil Guy".
Which means... what? He's the villain? Why not just call him the villain then?
It certainly doesn't extend so far as "Big Bad Evil Guy" automatically conferring that he's the true villain pulling the strings of the current apparent one.
>>48028817
>Why not just call him the villain then?
You can, and people do.
But "Big Bad Evil Guy" sounds fun. But I know you hate fun.
I don't really understand why this bothers you so much. Why does a term used in a way you deem inappropriate trigger you like this?
>>48028816
We've got multiple posts in this thread alone.
Do you really need more? Or, are you simply trying to pretend that a sample size that includes yourself is not suitable?
In just about every "BBEG" thread, the distinction is either unimportant or nonexistant, and it's largely interchangeable with antagonist or villain.
>>48028817
Jesus christ, autist. We've told you what it actually means. You pretending to not understand is indicates nothing but your own retardation.
>>48028817
>Which means... what? He's the villain? Why not just call him the villain then?
Because you can call it the BBEG.
My god you are dense fucking idiot. Forget salt, you are an osmium mine
>>48028861
We got like two.
Still waiting on actual fucking proof, Saltmine. I know it's hard. But until you can actually show proof, you fall face first into horseshit on step 1.
>>48028860
You say fun, and I say dumb, for the reasons already provided.
You like to perpetuate dumb jargon because you think you're being cute. What's wrong with pointing out that's dumb, and your brand of "fun" is either pretending or genuinely being stupid?
>>48028908
>What's wrong with pointing out that's dumb, and your brand of "fun" is either pretending or genuinely being stupid?
Mostly just the mean-spirited, self-involved, arrogant way you're going about shitting on a light-hearted and commonly used term for no discernible reason but justifying your own intelligence to yourself.
>>48028908
can you just get a trip already so sensible people can filter you?
I'll agree to stop using BBEG as a term to describe BBEG in a BBEG infested session or BBEG riddled campaign or BBEG filled setting if you just get a trip.
>>48028908
You've not pointed out it's dumb, past your opinion you are convinced is actually objective fact. This is why everyone's mocking you, retard.
You don't have reasons. You have opinions you are convinced are reasons.
I realize I just said that, but maybe if I repeat it twice, you'll actually understand.
>>48028671
>I figured. Isn't it funny when lines from television become part of a lexicon?
Sometimes it's bizarre.
Apparently DC comics made the name Brainiac but it stuck as a cultural norm term for smart people while the character faded into obscurity for non-comic fans.
What's the fucking matter with people using whatever term they want? What's wrong with the term BBEG? Did it stick something in your pooper at your fifth birthday?
Your stupidity is making me sick.
>>48028989
It makes his cunt bleed, so he has to scream about it on /tg/ for months.
Yes, it's really that stupid, and he cries about how no, everyone else is the retard, not him.
>>48028906
Are you willing to accept that in Buffy, the term didn't apply to the final boss, but only the villain of the current arc?
Or are you hoping to make me wade through the archive when the point of "It adds an unnecessary layer of obfuscation onto an already indistinct acronym when more clear language is available" has already been proven?
What is it? Is it because you think that RPGs should be some sort of secret club, and that people should have to wade through nonsense in order to be "properly initiated"? Why stop at BBEG? Why not call the PC's "SCHD" (super cool human dudes) and RPGs themselves as FNPBGWT (fluffer nutter peanut butter games with talking) while you're at it?
>>48028938
I value clarity and inclusiveness.
That's why I don't like bad jargon, and BBEG is a perfect example of bad jargon.
>>48029040
It's because it causes you physical pain, Saltmine.
Because it hurts you that other people enjoy using it.
That's it, at this point. I enjoy the term because it causes you pain.
>>48029040
>Why not call the PC's "SCHD" (super cool human dudes) and RPGs themselves as FNPBGWT (fluffer nutter peanut butter games with talking)
>implying I don't call them that
>>48029060
>I don't like something
>So I'll constantly derail threads for months any time I see the acronym
>Stop calling me an autist!
>>48029066
I'm glad you've announced that. Spiteposting is the worst kind of shitposting, and that's largely what seems to fuel people like you.
>>48029109
Nice strawman attempt.
But, I value clarity and inclusiveness, and BBEG is a perfect example of bad jargon.
>>48029117
Nigger, you've spitefully been shitposting for MONTHS any time someone uses BBEG.
The fuck, man. The actual fuck.
>>48029066
A hatred so pure, it is a gift even greater than true love.
>>48029147
You seem to think I'm the only one who dislike bad jargon.
I'm simply the one stupid enough to engage with you on the matter today. Most just treat you with the disdain you've earned, rather than hoping to explain anything to you.
>>48029134
No, that's not a strawman. That's literally what you've been fucking doing for goddamn months.
Your fucking mad it makes your cunt hurt, and you constantly shitpost about it whenever you see the term.
For fucking. MONTHS. You dense motherfucker. And then you cry when we call you an autist.
>>48029040
>Are you willing to accept that in Buffy, the term didn't apply to the final boss, but only the villain of the current arc?
Not that guy, but yes? So describing prominent villains as BBEG is fine then.
If anything you are trying to fight the established definition and claim that it's wrong.
It's a general term, faggot.
Also you still haven't got a trip, or answered about the content of your hat collection.
Get to it. You got work to do.
>>48029040
>Why not call the PC's "SCHD"
PC is shorter.
>>48029193
>If anything you are trying to fight the established definition and claim that it's wrong.
Actually, no. I'm arguing against the idea that people use BBEG to only refer to the final boss and they just use it interchangeably with villain.
BBEG is an acronym which, unlike PC, doesn't have inherent meaning and definition. Player Character tells you everything you need to know, while Big Bad Evil Guy is just a silly sounding character that could potentially even be the protagonist, let alone a specific type of antagonist.
>>48029328
this is a perceived problem for no one but you.
Still waiting on that hat inventory
>>48029357
It's a problem I noticed that continually pops up, and it's only because a few people are attached to a purposely-dumb-sounding and largely outdated acronym that is absolutely unnecessary, and whatever wellspring of humor it was tapping from has long since dried up.
It's just bad jargon at this point, and there's no need to perpetuate bad jargon like it's your favorite pet term.
>>48029433
it wasn't a problem until you made it a problem.
you are fucking insane.
Still waiting on that hat inventory
>>48029433
>It's a problem
It's not a problem for anyone but you.
>that continually pops up
It doesn't pop up. People use the term. Nothing horrible happens because of this. You read it, you get assmad, you shitpost about it - that's the only problem the term has caused thus far.
>and it's only because a few people are attached [...]
You're the *ONE* people that has troubles with the term and you get mad because 'it pops up because a few people are attached to it'? Jeez, consider installing a cooler system in your asscrack.
>It's just bad jargon at this point, and there's no need to perpetuate bad jargon like it's your favorite pet term.
There's no need to perpetrate a crusade against a term that you and you alone consider 'bad jargon' when clearly people who don't like it don't use it, and people who use it don't mind it, just because it's your favourite trigger term.
>>48029495
>>48029535
You don't think it's a problem because you've settled on a personal definition, and don't really care if people understand you or you understand them.
You don't really care about people new to the hobby, or people who seek clear discourse, because you are more concerned with propagating your pet term at the cost of relying that people know what you mean when it seems like you don't even know what you mean.
Bad jargon is a problem. Perhaps not the biggest problem, but it's one so easily fixed that it's silly to perpetuate it.
>>48023337
sorry, multiple people complaining about something doesn't make it bad either
>>48029535
>You're the *ONE* people
That's not really true. Or grammatically correct.
>>48029699
People understand BBEG fine, dipshit.
Any one with a single brain cell can figure out what that means. Flaunt your English major elsewhere.
>>48029788
Once again, just because you've settled on a personal, loose definition doesn't mean it's not bad jargon.
Assuming we're already past BBEG (which requires expansion) and have Big Bad Evil Guy, at best you can assume it means some sort of antagonist for a good party, but even that's not exactly clear. It's a bit of a stretch to say that a person innately thinks that it refers to the final villain, let alone the more specific "the final, final villain", and ultimately the term ends up just often being used for even lesser villains.
And this is less about flaunting intelligence, and more about why you insist on flaunting its opposite.
>>48024219
>>48010440
I've got a good sympathetic BBEG for you.
What if, they're trying to destroy the world, because they're a MRA or WRA and some dickhead wizard changed their gender.
>>48029916
You are beyond ridiculous. I can't believe you haven't realized it yet.
>>48030175
The insane rarely realize their folly.
>>48024210
What's wrong with being childish sometimes? I mean, we're already play make-believe and calling it a 'roleplaying game' to make us feel better and that's pretty childish in itself, if you ask me.
The way you make it work is you have no wrong answer. Both options are grey, you can side with either, and they both have obvious costs and benefits.
No, that doesn't mean "you beat them over the head with how they made the wrong choice no matter what".
>>48010440
R8 this:
>BBEG wanted to try to establish a NWO that was undeniably good
>after several failures on the part of the population to maintain it, decided that himself forcing it would be the only way to create it in an incorruptible form
>HOWEVER
>he himself is corrupted by his dream into basically being a totalitarian ruler
>basically Blanqui
>>48010440
>not making the the BBEG evil because the lord your god of isreal says he is.
>not genociding every man womans and child in his city and sacrificing the livestock to the lord your god of isreal
>xxxx B.C.
What the fuck is happening in this thread
Most writers grew up in soft comfort like Rousseau
The concept of some people being genuinely cruel evil fucks is alien to them
>>48010440
>Morally grey
>meme
Please dont breed.
It depends on if it would fit with the tone of the game or not first off. But usually parties often bicker among themselves and rib one another so presenting them with something that is bad and must be stopped is often the rare time where they work together and stop the infighting and stop the grudges. I personally feel like presented with a BBEG that isn't all that terrible then it will just be more of the same rather than that cool moment when you can see them switch gears and all start working together for once.
