>our sales are declining!
>quick, let's raise prices to make up for volume!
>our sales are still declining!
>quick, let's close a ton of our stores!
>our sales are still declining!
>quick, let's raise prices again, but also make sure not to ever do any research into how to help bring tabletop gaming to a 21st century audience!
>our sales are STILL declining!
>quick, let's invalidate the most popular armies, destroy the world we've spent three decades crafting and force people to buy entirely new armies and rule books!
>our sales are STILL declining!
>quick, let's increase the core update schedule from around once or twice a decade to around once or twice a year! Oh and also increase prices!
Seriously though, how are they not long dead and buried by now? Has anybody ever been able to connect them to illicit dealings (money laundering, shifting cash around for the Russian mob/arms dealers/ISIS/cartels/foreign intelligence)? If they've managed to survive this long there's absolutely no way they aren't deep in some really shady shit.
>>47994936
>Blah blah GW blah watermelon dying watermelon
Because sales are not actually declining?
>>47995063
Bullshit.
>>47995063
Have you seen their quarterly report? Things aren't looking all that great.
I mean they have done some good moves lately, like I know Total War: Warhammer brought in a lot of people unfamiliar with the IP. But it is kind of counteracted by the fact that the IP people got interested in no longer exists and all.
And they still insist they don't need to do any form of marketing, despite things like Dawn of War, making a clear impact of bringing in people who had no knowledge of the franchise.
And yet here I am, with a pile of GW plastic next to me and plans to buy more later on, and there's non-stop generals for multiple GW games plus GW dominates the WIP threads.
GW dominates a niche market and people seem to like them, bad as they are at times.
>>47995246
Their IP licencing brought in the same as the core business this quarter.
Thats due to triple within 4 years. Geedubs are fine.
>>47994936
This shit again? They're in the black and owe money to no one. Despite increased competition they're still the top of the pile. They're not going anywhere. At least for a while. And have they increased prices recently? I haven't specifically noticed.
>>47995284
I hope so, I'm just worried since GW's decisions have been almost schizophrenic recently.
Like before they were super strict about their IP, barely giving it out to anybody and (from what I hear) keeping a strict watch on those who are making them for lore inconsistencies.
Nowadays they are whoring it out to anybody, which while it does mean the IP is reaching farther and potentially racking in more money and interest; it has really taken a nose dive in quality.
I'm worried people are going to just consider Warhammer to be an over milked franchise and be seen with disinterest. Basically perceived more based on stuff like their clash of clan clone, than something more interesting like the total war game (which could still need improvements).
>>47994936
>Shit's going to fucking hell lads
>Quick, let's release a special version of the game marketed primarily towards children with a low cost of entry and a pretty box.
>Huh that's actually a pretty good idea
>LET'S NOT RELEASE IT OUTSIDE OF AMERICA AND CANADA
>Me gob when
>>47995374
>And have they increased prices recently?
Not since the AoS reboxes from what I've seen.
>>47995374
>They're in the black and owe money to no one.
Except the Sinaloa, you mean.
>>47995640
what?
>>47994936
>muh prices
Get a job you hippie. Things were cheaper decades ago because the quality was lower. I just need to compare my 4th ed scouts to my 7th ed scouts for proof.
>>47996681
>It's okay when GW does it
>>47997019
It's okay when any luxury/non-essential goods manufacturer does it.
>>47995493
What game haven't they released? I'm in the UK and we seem to have everything the internet tells me exists.
>>47995284
>Geedubs are fine.
As fine as their currency.
>>47995596
Aos reboxes are price increases, yes, but also the contents of the boxes have been increased as well, so that doesnt count.
>>47997051
The entire Battle for Vedros line, it's basicly 40k marketed towards lil kiddies. I'm pretty sure they removed every mention of the word "kill" and had to censor most of the lore because it was too PG13+
I like Orkz and the line has cheap Orkz. Shame I can't bloody get it here.
>>47995944
A drug cartel, continuing the money laundering gag.
>>47997264
Oh, then I hadn't heard of it. Thanks.
Their games are shit. Their settings are shit. Their models are shit. Their customer service is shit. Their prices are too high.
Why successful? Because plebs gonna pleb. It appeals to morons. We've all seen the "le plastic crack xD" fantards. We've all seen the edgelord teens (and probably were them at one time). We've all seen the bandwagoneers who'll play what everyone else plays regardless of quality (also see DnD). Shit things are often more popular than anything good. That's just a fact of life. Put on your aviators and deal with it.
They're better than they have been in years thanks to our kev
They haven't raised prices in time, they have actively listened to the community on many accounts, and they're allowing profitable and fun exploration of their IPs.
Not to mention Brexit means they can export more due to weak pound.
It's a testament to this that whining threads like this are extremely rare nowadays on tg
>>47995390
It's called a change of leadership. Kirby left, Rountree took over and lo and behold, (good) changes happen. What a surprise.
>>47998377
Oh ouch, that edge is so sharp it broke skin!
>>47998377
And yet here you are
>>47998377
>Customer service is shit
Man if you try to bait, at least try to hide it. For all their flaws, GW still has one of the best CS I encountered in my life.
>>47998377
So many memes, so little time
>>47995390
>it has really taken a nose dive in quality.
See this is only true if you think of the mobile games otherwise the quality of GW vidya has gone WAY up these last years.
>>47998444
There are those who let their hate grab hold of them so hard that they feel the need to justify their hatred and refuse to believe that there is anything that can be good in it.
>>47998506
Agreed. The best gw games ever were all recent. Vermin tide, total war, and gothic
>>47998506
>Still no release date
At least we know we'll be purging before the end of the year. On the othet hand, I really like the fact that Focus always let their devs take their time to polish the games.
>>47997143
>>47998406
>Listening to their community
Then why haven't they made a real attempt to improve AoS's rules or at least open up a forum like they used to? They clearly don't care, and if they did, they would have hired game designers who aren't morons.
>>47998528
Dark Omen would like a word with you.
>>47998562
>being this ignorant
>>47994936
Do you remember what happened when Battletech was bought by the people who made "Hero Clicks" and "Mage knight"? Do you want to see that happen to the Warhammers?
>>47998562
You obviously didn't keep up:
GW is hiring people to open official forums, they have facebook pages and released FAQs based on actual questions posed there and AoS is getting a rulebook including points, army composition and limits regarding mechanics exploits based on feedback from tournaments organizers.
It's like GW flipped completely page: From badly supporting a good IP to give good support to a bad IP.
Since this thread is filled with shitposting anyways ...
Thoughts on Mordheim City of the Damned?
I'm a bit dissapointed in how small the unit variety is, that there's next to no costumization options and the locations could've been designed a bit better.
>>47995374
>And have they increased prices recently? I haven't specifically noticed.
No, if anything the boxed sets and games are driving the price of entry down
>>47998279
Yeah the marketing for that line has been ass, there's a facebook page with like 300 likes and that's about it. They want people to encourage their FLGS's to contact the distributors on that page and that's their marketing
>>47998444
>go into store
>instant hard sell from the lone staffer
Sure, kid.
>>47998414
>>47998429
>>47998488
>faggots with no arguments
Teen fantards detected. :) Stay mad, fanboys.
>>47998562
This. AoS is dogshit and that's never going to change.
>>47998651
>having this little to say
>>47998562
>Then why haven't they made a real attempt to improve AoS's rules or at least open up a forum like they used to?
Wtf how can you be this retarded? They've reopened their facebook page and are actively doing a FAQ for 40k and the generals handbook for AOS drops within the month
>>47998960
>Stay mad, fanboys
Nice projecting.
The butthurt is real.
>>47998377
From the looks of things, you attempted to say something intelligent, that actually served a purpose. Instead, you lost that initial spark under your desire to vomit memes into your post.
I remember when I did that as well. I was very bluntly told
>shitposting to make a point
>Don't do this.
and so I learned that the only way I'd ever contribute to anything was to stop walking into the Synagogue eating a ham sandwich and then except to be taken seriously.
>>47998981
>le ebin projection maymay
If I hate GW, how can I be projecting fanboyism onto others? Your shitty retort doesn't even make sense. Honestly, people should need to pass an IQ test to post here, it'd keep retards like you out.
>umad
You forgot your frog pic, son.
Holy fuck am I schooling you shitheads hard. :^)
>>47998987
>y-y-y-y-y-y-your usin memes on 4chan
Deal with it, kiddo.
>blah blah I lurned som shit
Noone cares, turbonerd. Stay mad.
>>47998960
This gentleman,
>>47998987
Has said everything to you that needed to be said. Keep the memes to a minimum
>sales for the game are down, what should we do?
>I know, lets lower the pricesand halve the amount of models in the boxI'm still upset
>>47995063
Yeah, that's why the CEO froze employee pay until they get sales back to growing.
>>47999284
Weren't they getting buttfucked by x-wing?
>>47999284
source?
>>47999306
>Company sells terrible quality prepainted minis for 1000% their cost
>Making more money than real wargame minis
A shocker.
>>47994936
What is this, 2013?
>>47999339
X-Wing wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the Star Wars branding.
But then again neither would 40k.
>>47999317
In the financial report.
>>47999392
thanks
>>47999392
What year?
>>47999339
>implying gw shit is not being sold for 1000000% of cost
Cute.
>>47999431
>implying you know anything about manufacturing cost distribution or production management
Can you even tell me what overhead is?
>>47999431
>GW spends months designing master molds on old British machinery, drawing up concept art and design focus or digital design
>Use good quality plastics
>Star Wars literally copy pastes designs in 10 seconds
>outsourced to china
>Models are meh to the extreme
If you think GW is "Overpriced" you got into this hobby REALLY fucking late.
Perry minis and Mantic are cheap because they're sculpts are simple and their plastic is shit.
Wargaming is not a cheap industry because it's so niche.
If GW's prices are such a turn off then why are you still buying their kits?
>>47999474
The guy doesn't know shit because the simple fact is GW manufacture in UK and US, X-wing is produced in China.
>>47999431
Anon, if you're going to shitpost at least don't talk out of your ass. GW charges about $2/model for basic units, and about $30 for single-model HQs. Naturally, this price goes up when the model is not standard human/space marine size.
X-wing charges $15/model, and about $30 for special units.
If I can refute your point off the top of my head, you're not being clever enough for anyone to buy into what you're saying. Remember, the greatest shitpost is getting people to repeat your shitposts as fact. Just look at /pol/.
>>47999541
Here is where he will try and count with
>but you need less X-wing
And then ignores X-wing are created at a fraction of the cost of GW.
>>47999425
2015
>>47994936
Because they dragged themselves to the top and no other companies that focus strictly on miniatures games has seemingly been able to rival them in prominence. Possibly because a majority if not all of those companies are privately owned which means the only way they get money to expand is through sales.
I think you also vastly overestimate how much Fantasy brought to the table. 40k has been king for some time now.
>>47995246
>I mean they have done some good moves lately, like I know Total War: Warhammer brought in a lot of people unfamiliar with the IP. But it is kind of counteracted by the fact that the IP people got interested in no longer exists and all.
An IP the majority of those people probably have little interest in outside of other video games or possibly books.
It continues to boggle me somewhat that Fantasyfags can't understand that just because they find the thought of whiling away the hours painting roughly the same figure they've already painted fifteen times before for their big unit of figures enjoyable, other people do not. Fantasy largely declined because 8th edition was all about such time and money consuming practices when the rest of the industry was cropping up with games that are skirmish sized or a little bigger.
That no new game has really come out except from those companies that were already trying to grab Fantasy's scraps and are now fighting over the remains tells me that the people who are interested in fielding large numbers of 28mm models is a minority.
There is even less of a chance you're going to entice someone new with a product like 8th Edition when Total Warhammer now exists and has two expansions and DLC in the works. A person can have big battles with very little fuss and for much less money.
>>47999481
Nobody is. That's GW's problem.
>>47995246
>>I mean they have done some good moves lately, like I know Total War: Warhammer brought in a lot of people unfamiliar with the IP. But it is kind of counteracted by the fact that the IP people got interested in no longer exists and all.
It's especially insane when you consider that Creative Assembly had planned to go into Warhammer Fantasy for the long haul, with two further major game expansions planned (along with a ton of DLC). This could have potentially been years of promotional tie-ins, but as is, it's mostly going to go to waste.
>>47998960
But that's not customer service your moron. That selling policy. Customer servixe is what comes after the product is sold and the client might have complaints about said product. And on that point, GW is second to none on the market. They send complete models pretty often, no questions asked, when even just a small piece is fucked.
>>47999761
Yeah, this. AoS was a good idea, but Fantasy should have continued along unmolested as a 15mm game so large-scale battles were feasible.
>>47994936
>Seriously though, how are they not long dead and buried by now?
they have no debt and still pull a profit
there's not much more they need to do to stick around
>>47999893
This.
GW has always been a pretty clean company when it comes down to it.
Worst investiments they ever did was the LOTR franchise deal
And that raked them fucking millions.
>>47999911
I fucking love that game.
>>47999474
Not him but...
Overhead is the cost of keeping the place running... lights on , water, machinery, that sort of thing...
That being said I play X-wing instead of war hammer because.
1. Pre-painted miniatures. Especially non-wizkids ones
2. Skirmish level instead of full army.
3. Lower cost at start up
4. More acessable and sold at more stores.
Why did my captcha have to do with bananas
>>47999911
And it was still, in essence, a very good game from what I've heard. Nothing but praises for the rules.
>>47999911
Speaking of Lord of the Rings, has anybody thought about a 40k game similar to that Shadow of Mordor game that came out a little while ago?
Like I just decided to play it again, and I couldn't help but think "man, this would be fucking awesome as a Warhammer game".
I could do without the Assassin's Creed/Arkham stuff, but imagine playing as like Farsight or something, and taking out Ork Warbosses or some shit. I would cough up so much money for that.
>>47999911
Actually the worst investment they've made is AoS and the sigmarine statue . Or maybe their 5 million pound website which is sub-first year student level garbage.
>>47999981
What do you suggest?
The Mantic site or the Privateer Press site?
It sounds like you just want to rant and rave at GW.
AoS is a massive profit because it's extremely production light compared to Warhammer Fantasy.
The hate GW still gather from the web is amazing.
What other medium/large company is so much hated or demonized?hard mode: no normie ones
>>47999788
as someone who only very losely follows warhammer fantasy, can someone explain what's going on?
i know they basically rebooted shit via end times into sigmar shit, but i have no idea how everything is connected
>>48000204
Riot, Blizzard (they have millions of fanboys to even it out but in terms of sheer numbers the haters are staggering since GW isn't that big), Nike, NRA, PETA
>>48000204
I would say Occulus now, but since it is technically Facebook that is in charge of it now, I suppose that doesn't count.
>>47999788
Speaking of those expansions, what races do you guys think they are going for next? Apparently they are going by geography, but they are also including some of them as DLC.
>>48000204
PGI/IGP
Bioware
Activision Blizzard
EA
>>48000272
>warhammer fantasy sales decline over years due to a series of poor decisions by gw
>massive aaa game that is basically a huge ad for whfb about to come out
>gw scraps whfb game and setting and releases a new abomination nobody likes that sells worse
>massive aaa ad game comes out and seems to be a big success but the thing it's an ad for no longer exists
Genius Workshop
>>48000903
yeah, i played both total warhammer and vermin tide (and i used to play warhammer online, but i've never been into any warhammer tabletops)
what is different in the new setting?
>>47994936
see link below
>>>47999614
I think actual profit and sales are bad for GW, because it draws attention to their finances and might expose their criminal enterprise.
>>48001004
It's about faceless invincible notspace marines beating up everyone in a series of meaningless interdimensional battles instead of various races trying to survive in a harsh world.
>>48001004
its actually not a bad concept for a game, its just stupid that they scrapped whfb to make it. they could have had both.
>>48001089
>It's about faceless invincible notspace marines
That also wear metal faces!
>>47999955
Rules so good they used them in legends of the high seas/old west and some other company completely copied them for their d10 game. Dark empire iirc.
>>47999477
Are Games Workshop employees forced to apply for welfare at this point? Figure I may as well ask now, seeing there's one here.
>>47995390
They're still on people about consistency and apparently only give the greenlight to ideas that they feel work.
The thing about mobile shit is that it's what sells and ultimately GW cares more about sales and people possibly learning of their IPs rather than producing a great console or PC video game for the sake of producing one. Alternatively or in addition, only small studios such as mobile may have come to GW wanting to use their IPs, bigger developers might possibly trying doing their own thing since if they strike oil they have complete control and get all the money. Part of the reason Total Warhammer happened is because there were people within Creative Assembly who were fans of Fantasy (Some of their models and commentary were even featured in WD around the time Total Warhammer came out.) and they wanted to do a non-historical game.
>>47998562
What exactly about AoS' rules need to be improved? There are undoubtedly refinements that could be made (I'm glad to hear that they suggested in the upcoming General's Handbook that measuring from the base can be a thing.), but I'm not sure of great changes.
I think when people say that AoS' rules need to be improved they mean that it needs to become something different from what it currently is, namely go back to being Fantasy with all of its simulationist trappings that led to a huge rulebook with sometimes convoluted rules. (You have cavalry, monstrous cavalry, and ridden monsters, all three have their own rules.)
>>48002656
Forced to?
No.
Qualified for?
Yes.
>>47994936
I hear you OP. Here's my big problem. All my real friends are online. What's the point of buying models if I can't play with friends? I'm not going to ditch online friends for turbo autists that I have to put up with in real life. Solve this problem and I'll buy into the hobby. I want things to be virtual, but at the same time I don't want to end up having to go full gameplay.
TTS is making huge strides in this, but it gives no revenue to GW as well as TTS lacks huge customization issues for models unless you know how to 3D model yourself.
Solve this problem and GW will be rich.
>>48003766
This might be the stupidest post I've ever read.
>>47999477
>Perry plastics simple sculpts and cheap plastic
You almost had me there.
>>48003911
He's right, Perry Bros are overrated shit. I mean they're good for a fucking guy with stumps for a right hand but they aren't nowhere near as good as the faggots like you claim they are. And they're not even the right genre to begin with.
>>48004287
I'm not sure why he brought them up either.
But no, they're good sculpts, especially considering what else is out there in their genres.
For example, the Perry samurai range (all metal though) is heads and tails above everything out there bar Kensei (which is more than twice the price).
Renendra does good work with their injection molding. Sure they stuff they work with doesn't have the same level of detail as GW, but really, who needs hyper-detailed carnival dancers on anime stag beetles?
And if you're gonna call me a faggot, at least offer me a reach around.
>>48004341
everyone needs stag beetles
miniature games especially
>>47996681
Those two are the same desu.
>>47997264
Hunt eBay for Assault on Black Reach orks. They've put the same fucking figures in the Vedros or whatever boxes. Plus some fucking old buggies.
>>47999207
I know your feel bro.
>>47999207
>>48004776
Pls, you faggots wish it were only that bad. Dire Avengers: no price lowering, models per box halved. AND THEN PRICE WAS RAISED.
I am so tired of these threads
if you dislike GW so much just don't buy their products and move on with your life. Please. You will be happier, we will be happier. It is a win/win.
>>47999477
>Perry minis and Mantic are cheap because they're sculpts are simple and their plastic is shit.
Lel
>>47999974
I had high hopes for the coming Eisenhorn game, but its just another mobile port with shitty combat.
>>47994936
>Seriously though, how are they not long dead and buried by now?
Because nerds whining online do not drive markets
>>48000364
I'm hoping there will be Beastmen at some point.
>>48005033
I'll watch the Eisenhorn game on YT. From what I've hear it's basically the dialouge from the books ripped straight into the game. I'd like to see the enviroments in the books brought to life, but like you said the combat doesnt like good.
>>47994936
>most popular armies
>Tomb Kings
>Bretonnia.
>Increase Prices
>Implying the new SC boxes aren't based as fuck.
>>48005141
Hope Beastmen, but the game is getting boring though.
>>48005141
>>48005185
I reckon Beastmen will be DLC along with the Wood Elves for this first game.
Skaven have been confirmed as a core race for the first expansion/sequel in a PC Gamer interview as well.
>>48005185
>>48005278
Dudes, it was confirmed that Beastmen and Wood Elves are next DLC material.
>>47995063
they are declining. Also even at that price the shop Is making money. I'll just make you meditate on the profit gw when you order directly from them. (and yet people are still saying they aren't getting ripped of)
>>48005407
You don't need to meditate you dumb faggot their profits are released for the public to see. All that money pays for more than just shitting out boxes of models.
>>48005426
So dense.
People here are arguing that paying full GW price isn't even expensive because of how "detailed" and "high quality" the kit is.
Please i'll love to know where in their reports are the individual profit they make on each box stated. Thx
>>48005426
let me guess, you think they have football stadium sized mold costing billions ?
And you think that their team of FOUR 3D artist are paid more than £13k/year ?
>>47999477
>Perry minis and Mantic are cheap because they're sculpts are simple and their plastic is shit
>Perry
>best detailed mini on the markets
>better multipart kits than GW
>shit
>simple
wew lad
>>48005453
>Please i'll love to know where in their reports are the individual profit they make on each box stated. Thx
You have no idea how business works if you think a product's profit should only be used to cover its own production costs.
>>48005469
Let me guess, your understanding of business is even worse than your ability to locate the shift key.
>>48005453
Charge what the market will bear, not what poorfags want you to charge. People who say GW's MSRP isn't high are retarded but so is saying GW should be giving away deals for no reason.
>>48005407
>Gilbert Jeune
Tu habite ou ?
>>48005496
>so is saying GW should be giving away deals for no reason.
Declining sales when every competitor is increasing.
That's a good reason.
>>48005498
>Tu habites ou ?
Strasbourg apparemment.
>>48005508
Apparament ?
>>47999761
What they should have done is to make a skirmish size Warhammer game similar to Imperial Assault.
>>48005517
>Apparament ?
likely
>>47999477
Explain to me expert-san, how is it possible that 3 unpainted tiny models cost as much as a 30cm tall already painted fig made in Japan?
>>48005508
Et donc y'en as beaucoup des affaires comme celles là ?
>>48005556
J'ai envie de dire que je suis sur Gre et que je suis tombé sur la plupart des bataillons pour WHFB à -60%, donc ça doit être courant.
>>48005573
C'est gavé bien enfaite Gilbert
>>48005585
Je pense que ça dépend de leur stocks et tout.
>>48005601
Ouais.je pense aussi
Anyway tu collectione quoi comme armée ?
>>48005614
Empire, morts-vivants, un peu de brets, un peu de chaos, garde imperiale en 40K et pas mal d'autres figos à droite à gauche.
>>48005622
Moi c'est necron et Tau
Necron pour le lore ,Tau pour les modèles
>>48005644
J'ai quelques petits nécrons qui trainent sur ma table de peinture pour faire une killteam.
>>48005648
Cool
>>47999541
>/pol/ is shitposting
Except it is always the media jews and Europe is burning in a cultural war.
>>48005555
Japan is a first world country.
>>48005670
Well shit at least it's entertaining. Whenever I'm bored, I just pop on /pol/ and scroll down a few threads. The delusion is real.
Anyway back to the subject at hand, I for one believe GW is changing for the better, at least on the consumer/sales/community side. It'll take quite some time and effort to unfuck 40k rules imo. It might be doable in the long run, but it'll be hard. Fingers crossed.
>>47994936
>force people to buy entirely new armies and rule books
You mean, continue to use their existing armies with a new free system of free rules which are adopting community moderated points values and systems like SCGT.
Oh, and your 8th edition book didn't burst into flames.
>it's another GW is dying thread
>we have been having these threads for like a decade now and GW can apparently cheat death
Cry wolf.
>>47995493
You mean Silver Tower? or AoS? because AoS has taken over my 3 local game clubs and a lot of my friends and their families have been enjoying the lower barrier of entry.
>>47998406
Holy shit that stag beetle looks epic.
When are the new Sylvaneth coming?
>mfw this thread
>>47999481
I'm not going to lie:
99% of my Dark Elf, Undead and Seraphon armies are either from eBay, Reaper, Raging Heroes, Kings of War, Avatars of War or anything else NOT Games Workshop
>>48005732
>Refund
Eeeeeh GW is really good after they sold you their products as explained above. They're quick to replace any defaulting parts, sometimes no questions asked, which end up in stuff like anons getting some models on ebay, seeing a part is bent, shows it in the email, recieve a complete new box 2 weeks later. It depends on who deals with your case but still.
>>48005724
I have honestly never seen a game of AoS being played so far, bar demo games.
>>48005708
I gather you haven't seen the Brexit EU debate today? Otherwise you wouldn't be shittalking about /pol/ being nuts.
>>48005498
C'est celui de paris.
Ya mass de 40K / AoS pas chere... genre des boites starter AoS a 20€ neuf.
Ils sont labas depuis 2 mois Personne en veut. J'ai chopper aussi une riptide à genre 15 balles.
>>48005488
Strong arguments. You didn't even went to college don't you ?
>>48005790
Celui du quartier latin ?
Ceci est maintenant un fil sur Gibert et la France.
Merci de votre compréhension.
>>48005426
Lonely day at the store ?
>>48005804
ouais mon gars
>>48005808
C'est parti mon kiki
>>48005790
>genre des boites starter AoS a 20€ neuf.
>Ils sont labas depuis 2 mois Personne en veut
C'est normal c'est AoS.
>>48005831
Un mec devant moi à pris 3 boîte de XV8 à 16 € chaque elle partait pas à 22€.... j ai pris tout le reste des TAU par contre.
mais il reste masse de 40k surtout Necrons. Genre ya moyen de ce faire 2k5 pts Necrons et Imperial à -80% du prix GW
>>48005828
La douce ironie ,mon GW ou je vais régulièrement et à St Michel ,littéralement a deux rue du Gilbert Jeune
>>47997047
This famalam
>>48005845
SALAUD T'A PRIS TOUS LES TAU
bon par contre celui qui prend les nécrons je le marrave hard
>>47994936
Quit simple, royality payment for their IP.
>>47996681
>using scouts
>>48005049
>being on /tg/
>calling others nerds in a derogatory fashion
>>48005877
Pretty sure scouts have been the best troops for marines since 5th edition but I stopped paying attention when all the retarded formation garbage took over the game.
>>48005941
>best troops for marines
>not actual marines
Wut.
I see Brexit has done little to temper GW's French fanbase.
>>48005769
I watched it. The brexit situation still hasn't advanced. With one side urging for quick action while the other wants to take its time, we still have no idea of what's happening IF it's happening. There are so many potential blocks to an actual Brexit that even newspapers are starting to wonder if it's actually going to happen. Now if it does happen, litteraly every possibility is open. It can go from the UK staying cloqe to the EU, basically becoming Norway n.2 or on the contrary cut all ties with the EU, and everything in between.
/pol/ can rub its hands and praise Farage, it doesn't change the fact that virtually no ones can actually predict what's going to happen in the next 2 years, which are the determining ones after use of article 50 TFEU. After that, it's a brutal rupture without any negociations if no common ground is found, and that would be catastrophic for both parties.
But anyway, that's not the debate at hand, bur rather GW's immortality, what's with people saying it's been dying for the past 10 years.
>>48005724
>lower barrier of entry
>expensive as fuck
>ultra overdone models requiring shitloads of work to paint correctly
You know what game has a low barrier of entry? Imperial Assault. Or X-wing. Not fucking AoS.
FFG games completely destroyed GW in my area.
>>48006015
If anything, technically, it's beneficial for us, albeit to a small degree. Better FW prices for example.
>>48006042
That's for a month or two. Long term it could be the final nail.
>>48006037
In my area too.
The starwars hype is at an all time high honestly, we went from 25 player tournament to 80+ since TFA. It's unbelievable. (Most of them were gw buyers and went into x-wing because they were sick of gw tho)
>>48005956
3+ hasn't been worth butt for millennia.
>>48006053
More like a year or two, then gw going through distributors and they most likely won't up the price either.
Europe will be nice to UK since they literally loose 25 % of their market otherwise.
I think UK really pulled it good in the end. We will see tho.
French always complain about the price yet buy more each time gw raises them...
>>47998973
Explain what is actually wrong with AoS and how to fix it rather than just say it's shit. If you have the solution, present it.
GW has been dying for the last 15 years. They're still here.
Don't like it? Fuck off. Support other companies, like I'm doing. I don't moan that GW is some evil mastermind because I'm not fucking pathetic wanting (You)'s on a Burmese Shadow Puppet forum.
>>48006037
AoS is a lot cheaper than WHFB was. Yet people think WHFB was the best thing ever and totally sustainable.
Good for you that you've actually moved on to another game though. It still confuses me why people talk about shit they don't like instead of getting on with what they do.
But, /tg/ and autism go hand in hand, so not surprised.
>>48006076
>since they literally loose 25 % of their market otherwise.
7% actually.
>>48006057
I know a 40k tourneyfag who was playing competitively for about 10 years.
He sold his armies and went into X-wing. And keeps saying that almost all of his friends did the same.
>>48006076
Even Merkel announced yesterday that they won't be playing especially nice and that the best brits could do is start the out process ASAP, because there won't be negociations before that.
In France, GW games are declining. 40k may be going alright but AoS id dead and KoW reigns alone.
>>48006123
>Yet people think WHFB was the best thing ever and totally sustainable.
Said no one ever.
WFB was fucked for a couple of editions. It needed major changes.
But what they did is retarded.
>>48006148
I was going to sau that the Battlefleet community is still going strong in France but it's not like GW sell any of thay anymore. At least FW is working on it.
>>48006184
Game increased the hype and introduced it to shitloads of new people.
Just like what W:TW did with WHFB.
>>48006131
Yes but the financial sphere is what was especially interesting, 7% is the "real goods"
>>48006199
>Play TW:Warhammer
>Lauch Menu opens
>Advertisement is there that promotes Warhammer Fantasy Battles
I'll never be not-mad ever again.
>>48006279
"Financial sphere" can just move to Frankfurt.
>>48006037
AoS has a £27.50 per person option to get started http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WARHAMMER-AGE-OF-SIGMAR-STARTER-SET-/161973333095?hash=item25b65cec67:g:vsQAAOSwB4NWuegS
Beyond that all you really NEED to get going is some glue, it's a low barrier for an actually kinda fun game.
It's not the ultra-competitive tourney worthy type of game but neither was WHFB or is 40k.
>>48006148
Don't worry, bongs. Emperor Trump will deal fairly with you.
>>47998704
>From badly supporting a good IP to give good support to a bad IP.
kek
Most of the minis I use for fantasy these days, I buy from historical ranges, Mantic, Reaper or stuff like Frostgrave. Mostly because GW's art design has taken on such an embelished apperance that it now looks like a tacky parody of itself.
The plastic kits might be well made on a technical level, but the actual aesthetics are just fucked. If I kitbash historical stuff and learn to greenstuff I at least can get an aesthetic I desire. So GW is becoming increasingly useless to me.
>>47995493
>>47995493
If you are referring to those Battle of Vandross or whatever kits sold at Hobby Lobby , it makes sense.
GW has no trouble recruiting kids in the UK. Most UK fans started when they were kids.
In North America almost no kids are into GW. Most enter as older teens or young adults. They are trying to reach that you get demographic here with alternate products. There's a lot more big hobby craft stores than GWs and FLGS.
>>48007171
Younger **
>>47995284
Turns out things work out a lot better when they let other companies make their games. Who would have thought.
>>47994936
At least three of my local gamestores in the Netherlands have stopped selling GW stuff.
At the first shop I asked em why.
>I'd rather not talk about it at length, but let's just say we're done with that 'company.'
>That bad huh?
At the next store I got my answer:
>They called us up saying we had to have at least $15.000 worth of their stuff in stock or they would stop supplying us. Also, they wanted most of that stuff to be Age Of Sigmar, which no one here buys. So we laughed and parted ways.
Can't say I blame em for throwing out their GW shit. Guess I'm ordering online.
Keep in mind, these aren't GW's own stores. Theyre gamestores who sell all kind of boardgame-related things. GW items are only a small percentage of their merchandise. They don't need GW that much.
>>48007299
It's a similar situation at my local store in the US. The owner was forced to stock some Sigmarines, and as a result has had the entire WHFB range on a 30% discount for the past year because simply no one wants to buy them.
>>48007143
It's funny really. This fag looks more overdone than WoW liches.
>>48007829
I don't even play Fantasy but I still bought and painted that abomination.
This - totally this. the fall of wizkids and topps the NECA was bad.
1) Don't sell a game to a baseball card company
2) Don't let a baseball card company run a game company
is it just me or has the secondary ebay market taken a dive on AOS and 40k prices?
>>48005719
Its not really cheating death...
its a 1+ armor save
>>48005710
>8th edition book didn't burst into flames
They really should have though.
>>48007171
On the North America front, I sense things are moving to a group board game setting and away from the skirmish miniatures games.
I had the chance to visit several game stores in the last few weeks and most of them a slowly exiting GW and PP and moving to FFG. That's my $0.02 though.
>>47999306
No. Not even close.
That myth comes from the fact that X-wing barely outsold GW in north american 3rd party stores. Which is basically the entirety of X-wing sales, but only about 1/3 of GW sales.
So no. GW is still on top by a far margin
>>48008395
It's easier to get your girlfriend into a boardgame than a wargame. One is "quirky" and "simple", the other is "the bad kind of nerd" and "slow".
Even though there are lots of easy, quick wargames and lots of over encumbered tedious boadgamesMonopoly
>>48008462
>30 years old game is "on top" of a 3 years old game
>being proud
Let's talk in 3 years.
>>48006148
Is there literally anything that Merkel does that isn't utter shit?
I bet she can't even make a piece of toast without massively inconveniencing someone.
>>47998406
>Brexit means they can export more
To the rest of the world, maybe. Europe exports will be significantly more expensive.
>>48009382
GW will never regain the marketshare they pissed away, theres too much competition now. And GW refuses to write a balanced and fun ruleset. Not to mention they are the most expensive game out there, which instantly eliminates a lot of potential customers.
>>48009469
GW makes the best miniatures in the world.
>>48009480
Not anymore, they let themselves get rekt by Scibor and the Perry.
But they are former employees so it's all right.
>>48009419
Inconveniencing brits is a plus, not a bad thing
>>48007829
Holy shit.
I've been away from the hobby for a long time it seems.
the prices are really out of CONtrole...
>>48006148
Yeah, well fuck em. They should have given us more points in the Eurovision Song Contest over the years.
I say we should invoke Article 50 in the form of a song as our next Eurovision entry.
>>48009480
No they dont.
>>48007829
It's a fixer upper, but it shouldn't be at that price.
>>47997143
For the uneducated, International Economics 101: lower value currency = greater demand for goods, i.e more sales.
>>47999937
They've already begun supporting it again.
>>48000204
Lots
Difference I've seen is that GW haters are in of themselves very annoying.
>>47999573
Fewer X-wing.
>>48006037
If you're complaining about the amount of work that's needed to make models look nice, you're in the wrong hobby
>>48007299
>>48007299
Anotyer Dutchfag here, where do you live that you have three flgs near? I have just one and thats mostly boardgames in Amsterdam
>>48010677
Actually, the less amount of detailes of the Mantic fantasy models seems to be why a lot of people like them. They are easy to paint and people don't feel like they are fucking up anything expensive..
>>48010677
More like you are in the wrong hobby.
>>48010017
I wonder just what will become of Lotr in the near future.
>>47995640
Care to point out the one company that DOESN'T owe money to Sinoloa?
>>48009657
I could name at least a dozen, but I won't count Scibor or the Perrys in that list.
>>48012966
Forge world is developing new lotr and hobbit games and models currently
Much like the imperium GW is in a desperate situation, with the highest echelons being lameduck and deaf to common sense, but there is hope. The GW I go to is super chill, with an awesome manager and fun community, I understand why people are mad about the price being so high, but at my GW the extra you pay compared to eBay is for good advice and tips you get when you start playing, along with the manager constantly giving painting lessons and setting up games for you on top of running actually fun events and leagues, I know that not every GW is like this so I understand the Skub. Like I said the company has a lot in common wit the imperium, it's a rotting mass far past it's time, but it's kept from oblivion by brave heros until the day it falls apart or is saved from destruction.
>>48009875
Kek'd
Only if Nigel farage is the one who sings it
>>48012394
Not that anon, but Utrecht has a lot of gamestores for some reason, though I don't know how they're doing on the GW front.
>>47995284
Did you know Marvel's comic department is constantly bleeding money like a stuck pig? But do you know what isn't? Their movies and toys. It's not uncommon for companies to have losses in one area that are complimented by gains in others, that's how I see GW going
>>48013700
>with the highest echelons being lameduck and deaf to common sense
the highest echelon got replaced.
While effects of this are still a little unclear, he has made some changes, including pricing bundle to make the game easier to get into.
>>48013795
Are you talking about the start collecting and boxed formation bundles? Yeah those are hot as fuck and make it way more enticing to try and start another army
>except Eldar which consists of 3 bikes and a tank
>>48013818
4, you get a farseer
>>47994936
Just insta mold
>HOW TO Makeing Molds the Easy Way! #40k http://retributionangel.blogspot.de/2016/06/instant-molds-silicon-molding-clay.html
IF you really want to make a diffrence tell people the word were they can buy minis cheap, how they can save money, how they can avoid giveing GW money and what other games are out there.
Let people know hoe to Vote with their money!
>>48013818
>>48013818
there is a good reason for that.
Eldar already had a box with the infantry squad and a transport. So doing that for the start collecting would basically be a stripped down version of the existing box.
There wasn't any bundle with the jetseer, outside of the much bigger formation buy (an I don't think that had a box).
It works out to being the same as the other boxes as well, a troop choice, a vehicle, and an HQ (or at least character for IG).
It feels like very few models, but two of those is actually a good starting point for an eldar army. Unfortunetly it does set people out to scatbike spam.
Don't do it, 1 per 3. 1 per 3.
>>48009657
Jesus, Scibor's prices make GW look reasonable. Perry is just fantasy or historical crap.
I wish someone besides the Chinese made a good 40 minis at reasonable prices.
>>48014142
Don't get me wrong, jet bikes are fantastic, but I'd feel like i didn't have very much compared to others if I was new, I started with GKs and even I had more models than that after $85
>>47994936
It takes a while to bleed a mammoth.
You can track the spots of blood across miles of tundra for days on end.
>>47994936
Do be honest, Warhammer is a hobby with little mass appeal, but it's consumers are very dedicated. All of this points to price gouging being the best strategy for them as a company. Even if Warhammer was a 4th of the price it is now, I don't think 4 times as many people would play.
>>48014423
Historical is nice.
>>48012966
GW itself has put most of the source books back in print and out of print models have returned in resin, guessing it's FW resin since GW has seemingly stopped producing new Finecast models. All the new models going forward will be in Forgeworld resin except for plastic Rivertown terrain kit. I think FW is going to be releasing an updated main rule book of sorts too which mostly clarifies some things and possibly collects stuff from the source books. It's going to be based on the rules currently available for the Hobbit. FW is planning to work on the game for at least the next four years and it's name is going to be changed to Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game.
>>48009382
Anon, you do realize that there is actually very little playerbase cross over between the two systems?
Warhammer has a heavy focus on the your dudes aspect, the modeling part, and is able to support much larger battles.
X-wing is a prepainted and assembeld system designed for much smaller battles with little emphasis on fluff or individualizing. your models and their backstory.
Moreover, x-wing is targeted more so at "normalfags" for lack of a better term.
GW has many things to worry about. Losing their playerbase (or postion as number one) to x-wing is not one of them
>>47994936
this is probably the best place to ask:
do you guys think the exchange rate will get any lower? I am thinking of pulling the trigger on a few FW things, and I am having that second voice in my head telling me not to buy.
>>48014923
Yes, but people ultimately want to play a tabletop game.
Theres really no question to have, it's verified for me that people that where playing (more of "collecting" since the amount of uphill planning is very important and therefor limits the occasions to play) WHFB, are now playing X-wing.
Don't know where you are but if you happen to be in paris just go to a FLGS and ask x-ign players what they played a year ago...
>>48009975
GW doesn't price based on the exchange rate so there would be no surge in sales. They're fucked by their own no international sales allowed policy.
Ebay on the other hand.
>>48015824
I don't see how the average tg unemployed neckbeard could have the capacity to answer that beyond bullshitting or just googling the issue.
Honestly wait until it drops to 1.19 pound to euro and just go (it's like 1.22 now)it wont get much lower.
Now is not a bad time to order FW at all, too many thigns are happenning to know for sure what will happen in the next months, but it's probably a safe bet to order now.
The next month pound value is uncertain but if you are not paying in euro and are paying in yen just wait a week to order the it should settle and not move by much.
>>47998769
The tutorial explains stuff pretty well, except for mission objectives. Oh, and the entire campaign system. It doesn't explain that either.
>>48014923
you do realize that X-wing being bigger than all GW in the next 3 years and converting people from GW product to FFG are different things ?
More and more normal fags play tabletop, and they play X-wing where you can get a list for $100 and you just cannot pay even a grand in a faction without having more than you coudl eve rplay.
Meanwhile 1000 is like the start of 40K, and you are probably putting the next year building and painting your army instead of playing the game.
X-wing is an expanding game, gw product are not good for large markets, and will stay very niche no matter what.
>>48014923
>Anon, you do realize that there is actually very little playerbase cross over between the two systems?
Yeah two different markets.
The x-wing one being 20 times bigger than the Warhammer one.....
>>48014672
I just hope they either drop the warband restrictions, improve on them, re-instate volleys, or a combination of these.
>>48013791
How long until the accountants shut down unprofitable sectors?
>>47999012
Back to b with you, if you don't know enough about board culture to know that a smug anime girl.
Is preferable to a emote then it should be more your speed, i Think from your writing style i have seen you before, do you have nothing better to do than try and make people mad over the internet? really i am just disappointed you Could and should do better than just acting like a prick to anger people, do you even know where you are? tg Has weathered the likes of jim profit and Virtual optim and at least they were slightly amusing every now and again. so what i am asking is What are you trying to accomplish?
>>inb4 You are Wrong because XD here have some stale may mays am i cool yet?
>>48016403
>>48016903
Ironically enough X-wing has literally dropped of the face of the earth in my store because it's unsustainable in a hobbyist enviroment.
>>47998377
You seem to care a bit too much.
I don't much like their games or settings, either (warhammer fantasy battle/RPG is okay, but nothing to write home about).
Mordheim was neat, but that game is long dead.
If other people want to buy their shit, good for them. I do not however generally feel inclined do so.
I do like how their minis are modular, and have considered picking up a couple boxes of stuff specifically to recast it so I can make a bunch of custom posed minis for my RPG campaigns for a cheap and reasonable price.
But support their core business with a large army and an ever shifting army balance designed to make you need a while new expensive army every year or two in order to not suck? No thanks.
>>47998703
What happend anon? I'm scared
