Warhammer Fantasy General: Only The Forgotten Truly Die Edition
Talk about all Warhammer Fantasy products and lore. Please be courteous and try to limit your End Times fluff discussion since its mostly seen as just the start of Age of Sigmar.
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>Newbie Introduction to Warhammer Fantasy
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>Warhammer Wikis
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>Resources(Armybooks, Supplements, Fluff, Crunch)
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>Endhammer
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>9th Age
http://www.the-ninth-age.com
>Total War: Warhammer
store.steampowered.com/app/364360/
>End Times: Vermintide
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>Mordheim: City of the Damned
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>Bloodbowl 2
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>Man O' War
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>Third party Miniature manufacturers
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>List of Warhammer recommended proxies
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>>47994592
First for GW doesn't understand marketting
>>47994867
I have had to make so many recaster orders on behalf of people I know who wanted Throgrim/Ungrim/Grimgor/Archaon (old), etc.
Is it all dead yet?
>>47995022
No, growing actually.
The 9th Age is a legitimate game with fans. Since Fantasy fans will not stop rejecting Age of Sigmar lore and models, and GW has never produced a balanced Warhammer since 2e, its unlikely the reboot rules will change that.
>>47994725
They canonically do, vis. Elfslayer, where a corsair captain keeps numerous human concubines and the black ark has an entire district dedicated to sex clubs, many of which include human, uh, employees.
That doesn't mean the humans are having fun, though.
>>47995058
Happy to hear that but allow me to hold doubts about both your statements.
I hope we're all gonna make it.
>>47995188
Meanwhile, for some reason dwarves never even consider getting it on with humans.
I wonder why elves are always the race with the human relations, especially since dwarves and humans in WFB are canonically (mostly) bros.
>>47995238
Dorfs probably find humans gross, all stretched out and lanky with no honor.
Warhammer elves are all degenerates though.
>>47995238
>Meanwhile, for some reason dwarves never even consider getting it on with humans.
You say that, but Felix and Gotrek journeyed with a slayer known for his lechery. He "courted" several women and claimed that the stories of him fucking two elven women at once was untrue - only one was an elf, and a half-elf at that.
>>47995238
Basically in Warhammer the vast majority of the public is Neutral Evil as opposed to True Neutral. Ignorant racist assholes who act on either pride or fear depending on their race before all other things including logic.
What sets Warhammer Fantasy apart from Wahammer 40000 is the heroes are Lawful Good leaning on Lawful Neutral instead of Lawful Neutral leaning on Lawful Evil.
To put it bluntly.
Then in Age of Sigmar, the alignments are just Order/Chaos and Order/Chaos.
Sigmar is Order Order, Nagash is Order Chaos, Archaon is Chaos Order, Gorkamorka is Chaos Chaos. The common man does not have an alignment, they are too unimportant.
>>47995238
>that pic
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEI'm more offended by the type of crests given to the lizardmen than anything
>>47995462
Could be worse.
>>47995485
You joke about that but I remember reading the GW webstore's blog a year or so ago and there were a pair of skink shamans taken from their flickr pool being addressed with female articles and pronounsI didn't check how it was written in the original language though
>>47995619
To be fair it can happen in Age lore. All Lizardmen other than Slann are extinct, new Skinks and Saurus and ColdOnes etc are just Light magic shapes into what the Slann imagine it to be and are sent on missions.
In theiry they can shape it into anything, or go senile and start imagining Argonians.
>>47995188
what does it matter how the humans feel
>>47995238
>Can fuck griffons
>Can fuck lizardmen
>Rats still out of reach
I don't feel sad, two out of three ain't bad.
>>47996014
Catch a female, raise it away from the overpopulation and breed two generations, and you get non-crazy non-gay rats.
Or maybe it works in Age lore. Saurus blood cleansed a Nurgle Champion on the verge of Daemon Princedom to the point that he became a Sigmarine Primarch, maybe Saurus blood can make Fancy Skaven of Shallya.
>>47996110
You know, totally out of context, but I think I like the idea of a god of health/whatever using rats as a bulwark against disease. Seems like it could be really interesting.
>>47995619
Honestly, part of what i found most interesting about Lizardmen in WFB is that although for most of their history they were essentially biological robots following a prime directive, the situation got so shitty that they started developing traits common in other societies - worshiping a god, debate on what is the right course of action, genocidal hatred of Skaven instead of simply defending their borders and working towards the plan. If somewhere along that line they started developing gender roles for whatever reason, I wouldn't have been too surprised.
>>47996014
>Can fuck griffons
WhatIf I had to pick two out of three, I'd chose lizardmen and skaven. At least they're intelligent.
Do you think Ogres are OP for player character in WFRP?
>>47996160
Rodents are very useful in nature, they're a lot like birds who plant seeds and forget leading to new growth plus fungus that rids nature of rot so new life can appear. They were also used in American Victorian through roaring 20's art, mouses and rats, to depict the idyllic country life and memories of childhood and farm barns. It gained a resurgence in the 1940's too, and didn't entirely die out in the 30's.
By contrast, the disease aspects as we all know comes from medieval belief that they cause rot and sickness to occur. By purging their metaphorical fleas, AKA Choas tendencies and overpopulation-induced insanity, they could possibly become more like Pathfinder Goblins than Nazi Kobolds.
>>47995992
There you go, now you get it.
>>47996110
>non-gay rats
Anon that's the opposite of what I want
>>47996672
It becomes less likely.
But they're also less likely to be pedophiles, rapists, cannibals, gang members, self-mutilators, teenage parents, abandoning parents, prone to sudden mass killings, and loud selfish assholes.
Overpopulation is scary.
>>47996287
Well, their starting stats would need to be obscenely good. Fuck that '3 attacks' shit in the one fan-made one.
If I was gonna create an ogre PC race, I'd probably limit their advance rate to like...one half, maybe a bit faster than that.
>>47996889
What are the best/your favorite subfactions for the armies you play, and why?
>>47997300
Uh?
Probably Clan Skryre for the Skaven, because their hellaciously unreliable technology is really fun to me.
I'm very fond of the druchii corsairs because perfect, evil, ruthless elf pirates is a fun idea.
>>47997300
Kraka Drak is based for Dwarfs
> Northernmost city, literally in Norsca
> Name translates as "Dragon Hold"
> Daily existence is holding back Chaos
> Links to the southern empire are broken, but still holding out thousands of years later
> Fluffed as fighting Ice Drakes, Frost Giants and all kinds of Norse shit
> Dwarfs with Viking up to 11 with dragonskins and militarised and Chaosfuckers.
>>47994592
So what are the best modules for Warhammer Fantasy RPG? Don't want to play them, but I love reading through them. Already read through the Shadows of the Empire series and loved it. Anything else in that vein?
>>47998441
If you just want to read the lore then my personal favourites are Blood on the Reik and Liber Chaotica.
>>47997516
I like Karak Hirn, mostly because it's a smaller hold and near Bretonnia and some of the smaller human nations.
>>47997300
Ekrund; Dragonback Clan Dwarves.
>One of the richest Holds at it's peak.
>Lost everything because lizardmen.
>Still survives
>Still Pimp hands Everything
>Bugman was a Dragonback Dwarf.
>>47998535
Read both of them. Great stuff.
Speaking of dwarfs and fluff. Any decent info on Karak Zorn?
>>47997300
Yvresse High Elves. Get shit done, without pissing everyone and their mum off.
Neferata and her Ghouls, because I like Lahmians and Strigoi and its a compromise.
>>47994592
I miss the old website.
I've got these Eldar, and I'm a few Elves short of a full unit.
I'm not familiar with 40k lore, but what would happen if some of these fell through the Warp and wound up in Ulthuan? Would they get along with the High Elves? Join them maybe?
Or are Eldar too much of a bunch of assholes for that?
>>47999706
It would be completely legal and canonin AoS.
>>47999706
I imagine they'd see them as wayward kin, much like Exodites - Eldar in 40k that settled on worlds and decided to go Amish, more or less. Depending on the Craftworld, they'd get along very well.
Or you could just say it's very exotic armor from one of the Elves in one of the outposts at a distant part of the Old World.
>>48001199
>>47999706
Eldar would be very happy to learn that the Ulthuani elf gods are still, you know, alive.
So I'm trying to get the last of my Skaven forces before ending new purchases of Warhammer and just playing what I have.
Ebay has served me well for most of the models I needed but it seems like the old Plague Monks box is totally gone.
The Age of Sigmar Plague Monk box is priced okay but does anyone know if there's any difference about what's inside it? The models on the box (see pic) look the same but I imagine I'll have to go buy some square bases elsewhere for the unit (anyone have a source for that btw?).
tdlr; are models inside the AoS Plague Monks box any different (less sprues etc)
>>47999706
40k/fantasy crossover is cancer.
Would you mind if I used Beastmen models for select units of my Empire army if I had an appropriate fluff reasoning for it?
>>48002116
>Would you mind if I used Beastmen models for select units of my Empire army if I had an appropriate fluff reasoning for it?
I doubt anyone would as long as base size wasn't compromised.
>>48001591
Literally the only difference is that they come with round bases instead of square. Fun fact the box that comes with the catapult and the furnace come with the sprues to make a screaming bell and a WLC so you can save some money that way.
>>48002116
No, not unless the proxies filled a different amount of space.
Just out of curiosity though, what is the reason?
>>47995319
I still like to imagine that finding out she was a half elf the morning after was why he swore the Slayer's oath.
>>48004425
Is there any color art of the old school Dark Elf Executioners?
>>47997300
Caldor, no contest.
>Vauls Anvil
>make best armor
>best Warriors
>best nobility
>best nature
>best wildlife
>>48004662
whoops *CalEdor
I'm trying to compile a list for 9th age Empire, and I've hit a bit of a roadblock. I've got some leftover points and I'm stuck debating whether or not a Steam Tank is worth it or if I should squeeze another unit of footsloggers like Flagellants or a cavalry unit like Griffon Knights or Knightly Orders, or even a Mortar or Arcane Engine.
Help me out bros.
Thoughts?
+++ Germanic Steel (1923pts) +++
++ Empire of Sonnstahl (Standard (1501-3999pts)) (1923pts) ++
+ Lords (185pts) +
Marshal (185pts) [Army General, Beast-Bane Halberd, Blessed Armour of Frederick the Great, Seasoned General, Talisman of Greater Shielding] (Goes with Greatswords)
+ Heroes (272pts) +
Captain (147pts) [Hero's Sword, Horse, Plate Armour, Shield, The Black Helm]
Battle Standard Bearer [War Standard] (Goes with Cavalry)
Wizard (125pts) [Dispel Scroll]
Level 2 Wizard Apprentice [Path of Fire] (Goes with Handgunners)
+ Core (592pts) +
Electoral Cavalry (191pts) [Champion, Musician]
9x Electoral Cavalry [9x Great Weapon, 9x Shield]
Heavy Infantry (220pts) [Champion, 30x Heavy Infantry, Musician, Seasoned Soldiers, Spear]
Standard Bearer [War Standard]
Light Infantry (181pts) [Seasoned Soldiers]
19x Light Infantry [19x Handgun]
+ Special (484pts) +
Artillery (110pts) [Mortar]
Imperial Guard (289pts) [Champion, Musician]
24x Imperial Guard [24x Great Weapon]
Standard Bearer [Flaming Standard]
Reiters (85pts)
5x Reiter [5x Brace of Pistols, 5x Light Armour]
+ Rare (390pts) +
Knights of the Sun Griffon (160pts) [Champion, Standard Bearer]
3x Knights of the Sun Griffon [3x Halberd]
Steam Tank (230pts)
>>48001591
Square plastic bases are super cheap on ebay and elsewhere.
>>48004662
>>48004671
>>He is the kalamn-talaen. He is the Master.
You're goddamn right.
>>48001591
I have a good number of plague monks I'm going to off load, was actually going to post them up on barter town today. They are fully assembled and painted on square bases, interested? I'd have to get a proper count but I estimate I have 60.
>>47994592
>tfw even badly painted and mangled units of Empire Knightly Orders that would barely have sold for $20 are now going for upward of $50 on Ebay because they're OOP
>>48005236
For the life of me I can't find ones without slots in them. I don't want to use up all my greenstuff plugging holes in bases
>>48005834
thanks for the offer but I'm a weirdo who needs to do my models from scratch myself.
>>48002731
wait shit, a warp lightning cannon also? Damn. I got a bell box and knew that it could make the catapult also but I'm after a warp lightning cannon...
>>48006165
It isn't so weird. My roommate got me some Bloodletters for Christmas but they were preowned so I have to repaint them, strip their bases and do it all over again. The worst part is that guy must have chopped off his pubes and glued them to the base so now all the daemons have hair/fur around their hooves.
sup whfbg
convince me not to play dark elves, because goddamn do i love dark elves
kinda also have my eye on high elves or dwarves
>>48006405
Uhh...they don't have Speed of Asuryan? Shit I dunno. Follow your heart, brother.
>>48006405
I consulted the seer about you, anon. The seer told me that if you play Dark Elves you will gain immense weight and suffer such dreadful halitosis that even the most primitive basement dwellers shall be repulsed. In this way the army so dear to your heart would gather dust, and both you and your army would only have each other for company in the lonely dark of your basement forever.
>>48006405
Oh and Malekith isn't the rightful Phoenix King. He's just a babby that everyone knew was bad news.
>>48006405
Do it!
We have the hot bitches, the slaves and the sharp edges.
What could possibly offer you more the fags or the beardies?
>>48006853
>You will never sleep with and then be sacrificed by a Witch Elf.
Might as well join the Phoenix Guard.
>>48004425
Actually its because he accidently killed Gotrek's wife in the dark.
>>48006485
worth it
>>48007843
Hate to tell you, but you missed the TGG2 Kickstarter. But they go in stores soon, albiet at a higher price.
http://pin.it/6MeOjki
Who else /homebrewunits/ here? A /wfg/ supplement book for 9e could be filled with our ideas
>>48006165
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25mm-Square-Model-Plastic-Bases-lipped-warhammer-40k-miniature-RPG-/391140984666?var=&hash=item5b11d1c75a:m:m0CdS_UI254w19tHi4XeCfA
>>48008276
We could use stats for Cultist-Elsa, Count Joe, Hans of Nulndon, Daemon Princess Morathi, and magic rocks as a Lizardmen upgrade.
Anything I forgot?
>>48006173
Yeah this box. Through some careful magneting you can make your catapult switch between that and a WLC. The furnace kit comes with the bits for the bell too but is trickier to magnetize, I just use the bits as a grey seer on foot and a rat ogre, also you can put the plague priest from the kit on a 20mm base and he'll still fit on his spot on the furnace so you can use him on foot too if you like.
>>48008593
>>48006173
I should point out that there is a more expensive box that I was considering. Its actually more of a legit army, it has a lot more stuff you'll field if you play that Skaven list. Censer Rats, a Verminlord, and a Plague Priest for $175 instead of $85. Its cheaper than buying them individually, mostly since the Censer rats are expensive as fuck and Verminlords are ridiculously pricey too now, but I decided not to when I got the Mierce Skaven Verminlord instead.
But as I recall it was a decent-ish discount.
>>48008698
This is $85.
>>48008724
This is $175.
I'd recommend eBay and proxies over either though.
>>48008698
>>48008749
Funny, because the plague monk sprues have censors on them.
>>48008698
Yeah fuck paying 12 USD for each cencer bearer, the plague monk spure comes with flails which you can use to make your own on the cheap! Also you can take the furnace swingers from the furnace kit and separate them to make your own. I really need to find the time to finish these guys up haha they've been like this for months
>>48008276
As an Ogre Kingdoms fan I'd love to see them get more units so I've come up with some myself, with a little lore attached to explain why such an expansion could happen.
The lore for Ogres says they are highly resistant to Chaos, but can still be corrupted by it eventually. Hence if Chaos wanted to take control they would probably find it easier to do so 'politically'. A story in the 8e army book talks about the Challenge Stone, where an Ogre tribe have fought the Warriors of Chaos for generations to control this ancient monolith. My idea would be for that tribe to be corrupted by chaos, say (in typical ogre fashion) by going a little overboard and consuming far too much demon at once, say a felled Bloodthirster and experiencing demonic power. A chaos God could then offer the Tyrant the power to conquer the Ogre Kingdoms, in exchange for forsaking the Great Maw and pledging allegiance to Chaos.
This new Chaos Ogre army would allow for an influx of unique units, and the response from the traditional Ogre clans would be to mobilise everything they've got. If the Chaos God were to instruct the Chaos Ogres to subjugate the Chaos Dwarves (since the Dark Lands are very close by) and turn them from Hashut to the four major gods, it would give purpose for the Chaos Dwarves to extend their relationship with the ogres to create new weapons of war.
>>48008724
>>48008749
Finally I should point out that both come with a different exclusive warscroll.
The way AoS works is you get bonuses if you have the official GW Warscroll, which requires you to take a specific deployment plus whatever else you bring in your army.
Basically GW's morally bankrupt scheme to make WAACfags buy shit they don't need in bundles to get bonuses that should be in the core rules. Its exactly like tabletop DLC bundles or free to play/pay to win games.
I have no idea if there is a market for those, but you may be able to sell it to make back some of the cost.
>>48008749
i might consider dropping dosh on this
can anyone attest for skaven in whfb? their viability? what about inaos?
any good lore books?
>>48008860
No idea about AoS but skaven are solid in fantasy between the huge numbers, loads of tarpits, dirt cheap warmachines, plague monk blenders, HPA, and great redirectors in the form of "rat darts". Expect to lose a lot of guys though.
>>48008893
so they're like a good horde army?
>>48008900
Yes, slaves are 2pts a model and effectively ld 9 with rerolls from your bsb so they'll tar pit just about anything, best part is that you can shoot into combat with your slaves.
>>48008860
>>48008893
Skaven are great in Fantasy. Their shtick is in theory gambling on high damage, high losses plus low morale, but they kill more than they die and when they do fail its spectacularly hilarious.
In 9th Age everyone is balanced, but Skaven didn't lose anything and in fact are more streamlined to provide what named characters gave without having named characters.
AoS has literally no balance, at all, in any way other than a rule where if you are outnumbered it gets harder for the other player to win (solution is only take the strongest possible models, no weak redshirts ever). Every game requires gentlemanly conduct and the admission you win or lose mostly because of lists. There is a set of rules to provide balance and listbuilding guidelines, but as of now you can take ten Nagash, an Archaon, the Glottkin, and a Verminlord and call it afair and balanced legal army. So tl;dr on AoS is "It doesn't matter".
Anybody here know where I can get Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay pdfs? I've already got 2e, but I want to give 3e a look.
This was just posted on Total War's facebook page. It spells "Aaz Akazsh Nasdhashurh"
We've been waiting forever...but it seems Beastmen confirmed.
>>48008860
>skaven in fantasy
In 8th ed they were a solid tier two army.
In age of sigmar they're alright, they lack the keystone bullshit units that some other factions have.
>>48008966
*there is a list of rules coming
Forgot to put that in, sorry. Basically AoS crashed hard, so GW is doing a soft reboot to address complaints.
They're ditching the idea of loose gaming with three rulesets includinv a competitive AKA "Actually Trying To Be A Game" rule set, and the complaints that the common man doesn't matter in a world of demigods by having a campaign based in the Realm of Life where apparently the local version of the Empire is like German human Wood Elves and live with a race of half-tree Wood Elf men (as in all males, females are still 100% tree) and Archaon/Nurgle wants to skullfuck it. Also, Alarielle is now Hera complete with peacock imagery plus a God Emperor halo and rides a giant happy beetle.
>>48009189
I'd be lying if i didn't say i wanted that tree mech drycha, it's so silly that i need to have it
Do elves ever change sides? If so, which ones?
>>48008967
Check OP.
>>48009050
I wonder how they will work, near immune to most non-vampiric non-desert attrition (Basically a constant raiding stance?) Some sort of ambush improvement? Tons of forward deploy in battle is an obvious one of course.
>>48009221
A few have gone Dark Elf but it's rare, a few have sought redemption, some Dark elves have gone full Chaos like the Black Prince.
>>48009210
Wait, what? Haven't seen that yet.
>>48009221
Dark Elves are backstabbing masters. High Elves are like World War 1 European powers where complex politics and idiot rulers lead to pointless wars. Wood Elves are insane Fey, loyal only to themselves and the other Fey beings.
>>48006405
Do you like theshittyplastic Black Guard/Executioner set?
Anyone have the full art of this?
TELL ME ABOUT LOKIR
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK
>>48009284
She literally has bee missile pods...i've been thinking about it all night
>>48008860
any lore book recommendations, dudes? skaven are great
>>48009352
Wow. That's actually the first AoS model I would buy. Much better than Durthu too.
May have to consider it, once I find out what size of square base it fits on.
>>48009390
Gotrek and Felix, they dealt with Skaven constantly.
Thanquol had some books but I can't vouch for the quality as I haven't read them.
>>48009352
I...
what...
I don't...
...gods help mei might get one to proxy in as a treeman ancient in 9th or 8thare there more
>>48009423
Yes, but I won't post them in here
>>48009352
Don't you mean
STINGER
missiles?
>>48009546
I've heard that those hurt like a beeyotch
>>47995716
...are you fucking kidding me?
What is wrong with these people
>>48009594
Is it abielle to stand up on its own?
>>48009647
Of course she knows to use more honey than vinegar
You know, I'm pretty new to whfb, both the system and lore, but question: Why do things like Zombies, Orks, Skaven Slaves and marauders stay in perfect block formations? It seems weird that these usually dumb/mindless hordes can march coherently. Also, I have a few lore questions:
What is life like for the average citizen of the Empire?
Are there any female skaven? Do Skaven just evolve out of rats, or do they just happen like beastmen do?
How smart is the average skeleton? Are they similiar in intelligence to humans, and is there a wide enough gap between those from the tomb kings and vampire counts to make a difference?
Exactly how does the empire function? It seems like the country side is filled with peasants while the city has actual people.
How does Chaos work with undeath?
Bonus question: Whats your favorite piece of lore?
>>48009652
Hope they show up on BeeBay, I don't want to comb through Barb-ertown.
>>48009691
With any luck there will be a swarm of deals and hopefully bits
>>48009352
Are we sure these aren't just rejected 40k aliens?
>>48009667
> Why do things like Zombies, Orks, Skaven Slaves and marauders stay in perfect block formations? It seems weird that these usually dumb/mindless hordes can march coherently.
because that's how every other model in the game marches and it's fantasy's version of unit coherency
>Are there any female skaven? Do Skaven just evolve out of rats, or do they just happen like beastmen do?
there's no canon origin of skaven afaik but "evolved from rats" is one "theory"
there are female skaven called breeders but they only have two brain cells to rub together and only exist to bear the strongest skaven's children
>How smart is the average skeleton? Are they similiar in intelligence to humans, and is there a wide enough gap between those from the tomb kings and vampire counts to make a difference?
they have no intelligence, they are bones animated to swing a sword
>Bonus question: Whats your favorite piece of lore?
orks retconned into fungi
>>48009667
>What is life like for the average citizen of the Empire?
About equivalent to a European living during the Renaissance. More dangerous in rural areas due to beastmen and greenskins, primarily.
>Are there any female skaven? Do Skaven just evolve out of rats, or do they just happen like beastmen do?
Female skaven are taken at birth and fed a mix of drugs and warpstone tinctures that turn them into hulking, blind, barely-conscious "breeders." The only exception may be white females; at least one female sorceress was mentioned in passing. This would make sense, as the Horned Rat is said to have blessed all white and grey skaven.
Unlike beastmen, who are "men in the shape of beasts," skaven are "beasts in the shape of men." They are closely related to rats and maintain a lot of rat fears (open spaces, broad daylight, birds, cats, being alone, spaces not marked with skaven urine). Their creation is shrouded in mystery, but strongly implied to have been an experiment of Tzeentch's that went out of control (or DID it?). It's likely Nurgle got jealous and tried to hijack them, but failed. Modern skaven mostly disdain the "old gods" and worship their Horned Rat, who is very real.
>How smart is the average skeleton? Are they similiar in intelligence to humans, and is there a wide enough gap between those from the tomb kings and vampire counts to make a difference?
Most necromancer and vampire count skeletons are mindless, though some maintain a vestige of their life and may be seen to imitate their skills and professions in life. Tomb King skeletons are the opposite: they generally maintain their minds and are utterly, fanatically loyal to their masters beyond the necromantic forces binding them.
continued
>>48009729
> Why do things like Zombies, Orks, Skaven Slaves and marauders stay in perfect block formations? It seems weird that these usually dumb/mindless hordes can march coherently.
That's why Multibasing and interesting unit fillers work with O&G and Skaven. Zombies you can argue that it's easier to necromantically control them to march in formation
>Are there any female skaven? Do Skaven just evolve out of rats, or do they just happen like beastmen do?
Yes, for the most part they're literal bloated breeding factories the size of your average texan woman, but non baby factory versions are said to exist.
>How smart is the average skeleton? Are they similiar in intelligence to humans, and is there a wide enough gap between those from the tomb kings and vampire counts to make a difference?
Rank and file skeletons can be possess zombish intelligence, wight kings are of human intelligence, take that as you wish.
>Bonus question: Whats your favorite piece of lore?
The fact that Deathmaster Snikch killed warhammer jesus with radioactive ninja stars
>>48009786
>>48009667
>Exactly how does the empire function? It seems like the country side is filled with peasants while the city has actual people.
That's more or less the case. Feudalism is dying, but the dangerous nature of the Old World means that it's much harder for people to leave their villages, and so that system has been slower in vanishing, with the rights of the common folk taking correspondingly longer to develop. Still, Imperial citizens are free, not serfs: they may leave their lord's land and even establish communities in unclaimed territory. One incidence of this is detailed in WFRP 2e's core book.
>How does Chaos work with undeath?
It's complicated. Chaos can raise people from the grave, and proximity to the north and/or warpstone can also cause the dead to spotaneously rise, but the art of necromancy is despised by Chaos, since its true masters are antithetical to Chaos and cannot easily be tempted by it.
>Whats your favorite piece of lore?
Ironically, the bit from the End Times where the skaven go nuts and crash the moon.
>>48009667
>Why do things like Zombies, Orks, Skaven Slaves and marauders stay in perfect block formations? It seems weird that these usually dumb/mindless hordes can march coherently.
Its a wargame, technically they're just kind of a mob as you can see in any riot confrontation there becomes a clear line when something attacks another group in formation. The Leadership score more represents their general organization, as things that require discipline movement tend to take a Leadership test.
>What is life like for the average citizen of the Empire?
Like the Victorian working class, with less machinery.
>Are there any female skaven? Do Skaven just evolve out of rats, or do they just happen like beastmen do?
Skaven origins are unclear, but its implied they are mutated humans. Skaven females are only described once, as giant mutated bus sized rats covered in nipples that are in a constant state of labor. In one book, a Skaven is rewarded for a good job by being allowed to mate with one. Since Skaven tend towards mad science and mutating themselves, people have argued about if that's natural and if that's the fate of all females or only a few.
>How smart is the average skeleton? Are they similiar in intelligence to humans, and is there a wide enough gap between those from the tomb kings and vampire counts to make a difference?
Standard skeletons are robots animated by magic and willpower. Wights are Skeletons with their ghost in posession of their bodies, and come in varying states of intelligence. Tomb King skeletons are mostly soulless but still have memories of life to do things correctly and are animated by the will of the priests and nobility who are 100% human minded still (and pissed off about being skeletons), but some lore has contradicted this in the past.
>>48009874
>Exactly how does the empire function? It seems like the country side is filled with peasants while the city has actual people.
Like the real life Holy Roman Empire AKA medieval Germany. History yourself up in this case.
>How does Chaos work with undeath?
The primordial (like a fetus or a baby) Tzeentch was all magic. He shattered when the other Chaos Gods were born, causing magic to disperse. Undeath magic is Necromancy, which is a modified version of one of the eight primary types of magic, Death AKA Amethyst magic.
>Bonus question: Whats your favorite piece of lore?
I found this too difficult to answer, there's too much I love.
I'll just say my favorite Warhammer book, Genevieve the Vampire. If I had to choose I'd say the origin of Khalida.
>>48009830
>Ironically, the bit from the End Times where the skaven go nuts and crash the moon.
wait, what?
can i get a name of where this is mentioned? that sounds awesome
>>48009268
>a few have sought redemption
Three elf women are sitting in a cafe on Ulthuan on a sunny summer day; a druchii defector and her two "rehabilitation specialists," doing what bored, single women are wont to do: ogling men.
"Look at him there! That hair, mm, and that ass!" says the first high elf.
"He's supposed to be rich, too, he comes from a good family," adds the other high elf.
"The things I'd do to him," purrs the first high elf.
"Yeah," the druchii adds, "I'd love to tie him down, then take a ****** and ***** his ***** while ****** myself with a ***** coated in ******. Oh! And I could use some of those candles and ***** ****** ****** his ****** all night long until ***** ***** ***** and he BEGS for release!"
"..."
"..."
"....With a safe word?"
>>48009910
End Times: Thanquol.
One Skaven clan tries to pull the Chaos moon closer to rain down Warpstone, another doesn't want to be outdone and they cause it to crash into Lustria, where they were. The Slann guve up fughting the Skaven to blow up the moon, which the Skaven use to slit their throats and eat them while the Slann are casting the spells to save the world. Warpstone rains over the world fucking everything up.
Slann look around and go "fuck this, we're out" and turn one of their Aztec pyramids into a spaceship and leave forever. Without Lizardmen to kill, the Skaven decide to do the same and teleport their giant underground world into another dimension like a hollow asteroid, surviving the end of all things. In Age of Sigmar their god becomes a full on Chaos Gods in the Great Game so they teleport their asteroid into the Warp, carve out a Chaos realm of rats, and tunnel through the Warp so much it sinks into reality making Skaven holes connect to literally everything everywhere.
>>48004458
Sorry to ask again but does anyone have any old school Dark Elf Executioners art? Preferably in color
>>48009945
High Elves are kinky as hell, just not into S&M. Other than maybe the Nagerythe when they aren't being The Punisher.
Avelorn is a giant orgy every night and a nudust colony half the time, like Greece. Cothique Elves are liberal as fuck explorer sailors, meaning they probably get it on like Spanish colonists, and Lothern (Eataine) is the only place that humans, Dwarfs, and Ogres are allowed to live on Ulthuan so they probably get it on with the other races too.
>>48009352
This looks absolutly repulsive and I am not saying that just to spite AoS - I was actually looking forward to the Welf release as the artwork just pretty good.
This looks like a barken transformer, as if the decided to design a mecha first but decided hal-way in to do everything in wood instead of steel. It doesn't look organic. It has perorated plates. It has a cockpit. Wt is that coming out of it's left arm? Missles?
I hope giant bug lady turns out better.
>>48010035
Do the old rulebooks in the OP not have it?
>>48010078
Not for the executioners no, plenty assassins, witches, and sorceresses though
My Dawi! Norse dwarves are best dwarves.
>>48010071
She's firing bees. Maybe wasps.
Wood Elves confirmed for dominant faction. The Chaos Gods are fucked.
>>48010071
I didn't want to post more AoS but you left me with no choice. Personally as overdesigned as it is i actually really like it both the Everqueen and Drycha Heavy Arms Custom
>>48010148
Not bad, but it still just feels like an excuse for all named characters with their own model to cost $70 or more.
>>48010148
What does overdesigned mean?
>>48010545
This is the best way I can illustrate it
>>48010545
It's largely subjective, but it means like there is too much going on and it's way too complicated.
What would you guys think of an Ogre core unit carrying Harpoon Launchers (S6, 36", D3 wounds)?
>>48010545
Visually busy.
Would anyone know a third party or even GW product that has heads with Ushankas for count as kislev units?
>>48010545
>>48010816
Valhallans maybe?
>>48010627
> Core
No. Try twin-Handguns if you want them from Core.
That's a Rare unit, Special if you've got a Hunter.
>>48010545
basically just means you add extra details and colors and embellishments to something, and then you just keep going, and going, and going, and going, until you end up with a terrible visual mess
kinda like this
>>48009352
This is both the stupidest and the best thing. Something about fantasy recreations of modern tech always attracts my eye.
>>47999680
I miss the times where there was no End Times happening.
>>48010148
that beetle would be better without all the fucking plant bits on it.
>>48010868
They're a bit too WW2 Russia, I was hoping there was just some kit I could steal the heads off of.
>>48009830
>since its true masters are antithetical to Chaos and cannot easily be tempted by it
How so? Wasn't Kemmler a servant of the Ruinous Powers?
>>48010984
Kemmler is by no means one of the masters of undeath. Those individuals are Nagash, Arkhan, and the Vampire Counts.
Of course, some of the Counts went Chaos, but...End Times.
>>48011388
Drachenfels is the true master of undeath.
Older and more powerful than Nagash by thousands of years.
>>48011434
But he didn't master Undeath till after Nagash.
>>48010545
When you take away the blank, neutral space and bombard the design with color or unnecessary details.
Kind of like a kid drawing in mspaint who decides to copy/paste something into all the blank areas.
>>48011454
What's the timeline on the Tomb Kings/Nagash?
Because Drachenfels was already powerful when the first warpgates opened.
>>48010816
Ushankas didn't exist until the late 1800's. Warhammer is more between 1200 and 1800 depending on race.
Kislev is between 1600's and 1700's.
>>48010920
Works better for Dryads than it does Skaven.
>>48011501
He was powerful in other magics.
>>48011501
Drachenfels is an odd case, caught awkwardly between Oldhammer and Nuhammer.
At any rate, Drachenfels was never a master of undeath. More like he somehow through force of will survived as a living shadow that wraps itself in flesh and feeds on life force. He never displays or brags about any feats of Necromancy out of the norm.
By contrast, his mastery of Daemons backs up the preceding suggestion by saying he's just so damn iron-willed he can force the Warp to obey him.
>>48011567
Probably because they can use wood and stuff instead of gross biostuff or metal. It just looks like steampunk for Skaven, honestly. I know it's not really that, but you get my point.
>>48011501
Tomb Kings and Nagash happened much later, not long after the War of the Beard.
Nagash himself rose after the Sundering, which was two generations of Elves after the Warp Gates.
BUT-Be'lakor and Drachenfels contradict each other in origin story. Be'lakor says he created the concept of religion and began Chaos worship, but those things both already existed for Drachenfels.
So...who knows? When lore contradicts itself, and we aren't AoS faggots, all we can do is agree to disagree on two possible interpretations.
>>48011536
>tfw there will never be a spinoff where the Warhammer world has been industrialized after Karl Franz cockslaps Chaos during the End Times
>>48011671
Drachenfels is the better material and better suited to being canon.
>>48011656
Yeah. Skaven tech is best when its bizarre or supplementary, like Doomwheels or the firing mechanism to the catapults.
Its one thing to make a flamethrower, another to make a Frankenstein mecha rat ogre controlled by a tiny rat brain. Like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics villain.
The Dryad just looks like a Dryad ghost took control of the body of a dead Treekin.
>>48011690
I think so too, but I wouldn't force that on anyone else either. Everyone tends to prefer their own faction fluff after all, and only spergs like Carnac and his Archaon megaboner try to make everyone be part of their mindset.
So long as we all understand the different versions well enough, we can decide for ourselves what works. I myself am waiting eagerly for more 9th lore to use.
>>48011671
Did the Elves or Dwarves have any contact with the Tomb Kings?
>>47994592
Guys, I need your help: How do I pitch WHFB/9th age to my MtG friends? They've shown intrest in it, but how can I get them to take the last step and buy a couple boxes of minis? And i've already recommended cheap stuff like Mom's miniatures and how to buy stuff off ebay. I've even offered to paint any mini's they buy. Any suggestions? And yes, I am practically the only guy in town whoses intrested in miniatured
>>48009337
Because he stole it, the edgy pirate, he stole it.
>>48011807
Dwarfs did, they traded but had an icy relationship. I'm nkt sure if that is a pun or not.
Elves probably met them while exploring the world, but had no significant contact with them at any point in Warhammer history other than Nagash torturing some Dark Elves and preparing them for mummification as part of his brother's afterlife menagerie.
>>48008156
I bought a fuckload of dark elves from that kickstarter
>>48011809
Get them to play Total Warhammer.
Or give them printouts of the good Warhammer Fantasy comics. Tales Of The Nine-Tailed Cat for example.
>>48011964
Sweet. I got a bunch of Slaaneshi and a handful of nuns for Sisters of Sigmar.
Not for the same purpose though.
>>48011809
Have you tried proposing them to have an introductory match using your own army divided into equal forces?
You could also try something less imposing than getting into a full army and try an escalation league that uses arenas of death, mordheim-esque and multiplayer scenarios to get them interested into the mechanics and perhaps fluff too if you are willing to make some lines of background for posterity bragging rights.
In the end, though, if they don't want to spend time on a hobby like this you shouldn't push them, you could end up with lazy players, people who drop out of the blue or even blaming you for making them spend shit on things that they don't have an attention span big enough to have fun with.
If they are into any kind of roleplay you should have little problem with the escalation campaign though.don't press the hand when taking their first game, focus less on winning and more on having a full game going one, with all its possible likely and unlikely endgame situations
"Untitled by Alfred Gescheidt, 1967"
Is this GW's inspiration design for the Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets?
>>48012199
I think eyes and boobs have been a common connection since prehistory, anon.
>>48011671
Be'lakor is basically an acid test for AoS fags. People who trot him out should be ignored.
Screaming.
With rocks.
>>48011807
If you accept the Warhammer Fantasy RPG setting as canon? Yes to both. In the very least there were Mortuary Cult Priests - before the rise of Nagash - who knew both Eltharin and (an archaic form of) Khazalid, as well as cases of Dwarves being mummified to serve for all time within Nehekharan tombs. Oh, and that some Tomb Kings wore Gromril armor, inferring tribute (as no artificers in Nehekhara could replicate Gromril themselves, nor is there any indication or reference to Nehekharans capturing and forcing Dwarf artisans to craft such works under duress).
There's much less support and evidence of Elf-Human interaction, besides aforementioned knowledge of language, so in theory it's possible they simply studied enough Elvish ruins / abandoned keeps (with Dwarvish allies providing the remaining translation aid). But in practice if the Mortuary Cult was learning Eltharin they probably had some sort of interaction. Most probably minor stuff with Elvish traders / adventurers, considering the absence of Elvish records involving Nehekhara, or part of some sort of agreement with the Druchii before they went full pants-on-head evil retards.
>>48011998
My only concern with a introductory game, is that my forces are relatively small. About 70 skeletons, a few vampire lords/Wight kings, 10 black knights, 15 grave guard and 5 Hex wraiths. Is that really enough to make a battle between two forces? Otherwise, I can understand playing around and aiming more on fun than winning. I didn't know about Arena of death though, whats that like?
Mordeheim could be the perfect thing though, since it would give them a good look at how the game actually works. Do you have the PDF for either game or a guide to the escalation campaign? But, besides game mechanics, do you have any sort of introduction to the lore?
>>48011997
>Not for the same purpose though.
I'm disapointed.
>>48012867
You could do a 1k Skirmish. There's special skirmish rules for Fantasy, I'd post them but they're on my iPhone and I have no clue how to post pdfs using one. Someone else might have it.
Mordheim might be a much better idea. It should be in the pastebin.
For the lore intro, check the OP. Its a link to the 8e hardcover book, which has a robust 20-ish page lore summary of everyone and the timeline.
>>48011809
I'd never suggest trying to rope someone into buying full-WHFB armies: These days that can cost them well over $500 with some army lists / lines. Add in the time sink to build and paint it, it's a whole lot of somethings for a (relatively) little bit of return.
However, if you want to get them interested in the model / miniature aspect overall, I'd start with something like Mordheim: It's very cheap to get into (rarely needing more than a dozen-or-so models, if that), covers a lot of the basics, and can even be dressed up to move into alternate projects (like if you have a PnP night, using the models or warbands within or as the premise of a campaign). If they find they like the modeling aspect, THEN you can try getting them into building small / medium / large armies viable for tabletop play.
Alternatively, instead of Mordheim, there's 6th / 7th Edition's Warbands. They require a modest bit more models than Mordheim, but they're still something that can often be completed / padded-out with under $100 worth of stuff.
Trying to get someone started on a $300+ investment is much harder than getting them started on a $20-$100 one.
>>48012925
I got the orphanage nun set. That'd be a bit much.
>>48013069
9th Age is more low point friendly.
I'd say instead of aiming for everyone to have 2-3k point armies, aim for 1-2.
>>48013094
1-2K points will still - for most armies - readily run you into the $200+ range at modern GW miniature prices. Alternate suppliers and / or models exist, yes, but even then the cost to get a 1-2K point army is significantly above that of a Mordheim or Warbands force.
Heck, the old Empire Battalion boxes (which went for $75 / $90 in their heydays) could easily net one group 2-3 Mordheim Warbands with models to spare.
>>48012867
>About 70 skeletons, a few vampire lords/Wight kings, 10 black knights, 15 grave guard and 5 Hex wraiths.
It's enough, divide the skeletons into 2 blocks of 20 and 15 for each player so you can teach them the importance of having priorities regarding which units should receive charges and which should flank, give each part half the knights, one half will get the hexwraiths the other will get the tomb guards (I don't remember the cost of the guards and the hexwraiths, in case remove some guards), let them choose if they want a melee hero or a weak wizard.
An escalation league is a sort of campaign where players build their forces during decided intervals and then play with them, for example it could start with choosing a hero and playing an arena of death (which is simply playing duels on a small battlefield, with rules for beginning far enough to give ranged or magical characters a chance or doing 2vs2 tag duels or simple everyone vs everyone using the rules of triumph and treachery in the op for managing the multiplayer turns), second week (or after 3 weeks or a month) people will have to have built a troop and you can start to have small skirmishes (multiplayers allow to have these battles feel more complete) from there they could add more troops or a cavalry until the final week where people complete their small warbands with a centerpiece or something equal.
For a fluff introduction it depends on what you want to do, by being the guy with the larger army you could set all in or around the borders of Sylvania, with an artifact or a diplomatic crisis (or an ancient evil awakening) attracting the attention of the armies, then you expose the general factions in play, what they feel about the other armies, what they want and with what means or how far they are willing to go to achieve their goals.
There should be a booklet of similar intentions uploaded in the OP about the campaign of lustria somewhere either in the supplements or in the older editions.
>>48013073
I want the same set too, for Mordheim reasons. Too bad the PM won't let me in yet.
>>48013324
If you paid shipping soon enough, the Manager should open tomorrow.
>>48009390
Headtaker is mainly skaven perspective
>there will never be an isometric RPG set in the Warhammer Fantasy universe
>>48013545
I want an openworld sandbox RPG.
From Bethesda, with mod support.
>>48013692
My only issue with open world is that they tend to have to squish down the map to include everything, and I don't want Altdorf to end up like Solitude.
>>48013692
I'd rather it didn't have the gamebryo engine.
>>48013692
>from Bethesda
no, fuck off. It'll just be trash, not feel like WH at all, and then we'll have to wait 2 years for the mods to make it actually not dogshit.
>>48013731
At least Bethesda gives people crazily awesome mod support.
https://youtu.be/XnSV3YnFbbM
Total Warhammer datamining leaks.
>>48013759
Hell, that mod support is WHY they stick to their shitty engine, it's not just a question of retraining their paid staff it's the issue of the unpaid staff who do most of the real work quitting.
>>48013731
I agree. Morrowind-era Bethesda, yes, but modern Bethesda, no.
I'd like a faithful adaptation of WFRP system, maybe with warband management elements like Mordheim. I think the best way to achieve that would be an isometric game with turn-based combat.
>>48013759
Which is what I'm interested in.
I have little faith in anything to be good from devs, it takes a community to make a gold star game.
>>48013716
That might be a problem.
It would work maybe if you set it in Albion, and say every faction has set up shop there? Or Warhammer Australia, Khuresh I think its called.
Make a character from any race as a merc. Ally, betray, kill lots of shit and build yourself a home full of skulls and armor stands, kill lots more shit, get a waifu, kill even more shit, do a fuckton of side quests, discover lots of shit while wandering around picking flowers and shooting Chaos Spawn, then at the end Ron Perlman gives the epilogue as an Orc.
>>48013716
>>48013835
Yeah, one massive single-city game could work, or they could do Albion, wasn't the campaign before/after Storm of Chaos in the tabletop set on Albion?
>>48013692
A post-Storm of Chaos Praag
>>48013834
No way, New Vegas after mods is a treasure.
>>48013941
Yeah, but that was Oblivion, not Bethesda.
>>48013970
>Oblivion Entertainment
>>48013692
Fuck no.
From CD Projekt RED.
>>47995716
Not quite that bad, though - I think one of the new short stories had a brief passage from the perspective of a skink, who had both a name and a personality.
>>48010148
What even IS this?
>>48014008
Sorry, I am drunk. You know what I meant.
I don't get why you people would want a open world and quest systems over instances and game modes honestly
Am I the odd one?
>>48014035
It's alarielle form as warring goddess of life in aos.
But it may be conversion material for a version of Ariel and a giant scarab for tomb kings.
>>48013767
>that fucking frame around gameplay
>>48014035
Alarielle became the goddess of life, full stop, in Age of Sigmar but the fucked up shit from End Times made her go crazy cat lady. So while everyone was in Sigmar's Terra in the realm of light building a utopia she slipped away and went to the realm of life where she planted seeds that contained souls from the old setting and made tree people, then cut off her hand and planted it to make a new Aliathra using Drycha's model.
Nurgle and Skaven invaded her realm to claim life as an extension of disgusting things so she let out a scream that made all of life realize war is eternal and to the bitter end.
Sigmarines and Lizardmen both aided her, but she and her daughter died in the final battle. The Sigmarines protected her body from Nurgle's resurrection like Isabella, and instead buried her in the blood of the warriors of light.
That pic is a reborn Alarielle, now a goddess of war and life rather than grief and life. She has a beetle now for some reason.
Meanwhile, since Teclis/Tyrion/Malekith have beeb giving Slaanesh the Hostel 2 treatment in a cave to puke up all the souls he ate in End Times, the Wood Elves have rejoined her. They are all part tree now like you cut a Dryad and Wood Elf into parts to mix and match.
Now the next campaign where a soft reboot is supposed to make us Fantasyfags come back will focus on cities of humans of the not-Empire who live as one with nature somehow in the realm of life.
Athel Loren cities. I don't even, but whatever.
>>48014040
Because its fun to run around in the first person in a simulator. I want a game to feel like being in the Fantasy universe, that's all.
If I wanted a complex story, I'd be looking at Black Library and if I wanted WFRP I'd play WFRP.
That's not to say I din't think there should be a WFRP vidya, but the sandbox game should exist too.
>>48011681
Would have been good, But not past the 1700's. It would become too Napoleonic or WW1. though, skaven...
>>48014382
Maybe more like the universe of Fable 3. The game was ass but the aesthetics and themes were kinda good.
>>48014382
Skaven are best like a joke about World War 1 and mad science in general. Venture Brothers style at most.
Empire could just use more steam tanks in lore.
I can imagine High Elves adopting machinery, not sure about Derp Elves.
>>48013023
Isnt it called regiments of Reknown? I could be wrong, but that seems to be the one your thinking of, with a more skirmish based force. I think I saw it once in a Miniwargaming vid. But ill keep a eye out for it.
>>48013069
I think mordeheim is a good way start, since there isnt a PnP night or anything like that. I'll go into further details on the players that seem the most intrested, that way I can help guide them on what to buy.
>>48013315
I actually really like the idea of things going from Heros to Warbands to armies.
Currently, the main three people who are the closest to starting are:
-A guy, likes Skaven the most, especially Skyre
-a girl, likes magic, so I turned her towards High Elfs
-Taller, spergier guy, wants either Dark Elves or a khornate warband.
What kind of buying guide would you suggest for building a mordeheim sized army?
>>48014606
No, Warhammer Fantasy Skirmish is a thing.
I just don't know how to get pdfs off my iPhone.
>>48014606
Warhammer Skirmish was in the 6th edition rulebook. It's basically kill teams before kill teams was a thing, and uses most of the same rules as Mordheim.
My favorite part about it is that any cavalry's first wound would kill the horse, leaving the rider on foot.
>>48013692
The mod support is more like a consolation prize. And that's even for their baby, TES. They haven't treated other franchises well - personally, I think they just use Fallout to test features they'll use in the next TES, like how Fallout 3 had Skyrim's lockpicking system.
>>48015087
I really like Dishonored.
>>48015400
Bethesda only published Dishonored, it was made by Arkane.
Also that game was stupid easy even on the hardest difficulty.
>>48015583
Yeah, but I'm shit at video games so it became hard.
Plus, you can't tell me no detection without a guide is easy.
>>48015622
You have teleportation, invisibility and time stop abilities.
Playing Dishonored is basically like playing Thief with godmode turned on, you are so insanely overpowered and the game is for some reason not balanced around you having the basic abilities they give you.
It's a shame, the game had a great art direction but its just so dull to play.
>>48011807
Under Settra and his heirs, the nehekarans were powerful enough to challenge the dwarfs and the lizardmen And got much of their wealth from stealing from them. They also were sailing around the world as far as cathay to bring war to foreign nations, so they undoubtably came into conflict with the elves at the time though this isn't explicitly mentioned
>>48019597
I just wonder why the elves waited for so long to go 'oh hey these humans can fight against Chaos and help us resist them, we should help them out' if the Tomb Kings were already there and pretty powerful, with their own pantheon of gods (which, confusingly, still existed even into the End Times).
Well, we already have a really good Warhammer Assassins Creed 4 clone, Man O War, I think soon were going to get an open-world Warhammer game (In the style of Elder Scrolls, or Witcher 3, I dont care).
I'm just glad the Warhammer Fantasy video game drought is over. Total Warhammer and Modrheim have scratched the itch.
>>48019992
>Assassins Creed 4 clone, Man O War
You can't even melee in it. Or sing shanties.
>>48019992
I don't want Witcher, I want to make my own character.
>>48019675
It makes even less sense considering that at the same time the dwarfs were in their golden age and the elves were still a major power in the old world, you had at least 3 major human civilizations with nehekara being the strongest, then Cathay, then What ever human nation built the giant city in tilea that became skavenblight. Why they waited until the empire, which pales in comparison to ancient nehekara, to acknowledge the humans as worthy allies, makes no sense. Perhaps both races were too arrogant to acknowledge that the humans had already reached their level, and chose not to talk about it in their histories?
Come to think of it, a warhammer setting during this time period would be very interesting. None of the typical bad guy factions were as big a threat as they are today, so it would be mostly civilizations clashing with each other and the occasional barbarians hordes or whatever weird shit lives in Ind
>>48013692
>from Bethesda
unironically kys. You obviously have absolutely no taste on good games and you have never played actually good RPGs.
>>47995058
LOL
You think because a handful of scrubs are playing a house ruled version of the old warham, it is "growing" ?
you poor deluded manchild
>>48001824
you wat m8 ? When the new 40k drops it'll be canon.
>>48022271
>mfw AoS had rules for all warhammer fantasy models and armies
>mfw GW is actually trying to give the fans what they want
>mfw even the staunchest AoS haters admit they like the new models
>mfw when "it's all sigmarines" meme dies
>mfw "there's literally no balance you can take 6 nagash'" meme dies
>mfw salty oldfags stary running out of legitimate criticism for AoS
>>48022346
>>48013692
>from Bethesda
I agree, they are the best choice for something like this
hey, whfbg
i like orcs
any good lore from the perspective of orcs?
>>48022346
>no decent AoS tournament
>all the old playerbase turning to 9th age and KoW
nice "game" you got there buddy
>>48022645
But dude! It's an easy skirmish game for newbs! Look at those affordable and easy to paint models!
>>48022657
In a world where dozens of better skirmish games exist, that's not much.
>>48009667
>Whats your favorite piece of lore?
Dwarf grudges, especially the War of the Beard, the grudge against a mountain pass because a Greenskin Shaman blew it up, and Dwarfs besieging Imperial fortifications (that the Dwarfs themselves helped build) because the inhabitants were a few copper coins short on their payment.
Also, that time when a Chaos Champion defeated a corrupt Elector Count, unintentionally became a goody two-shoe for a day, and happily fucked off with the skull of said Elector Count, leaving the rest of the town unscathed.
And lastly, that one moment when a Chaos Lord spoke the Dwarf language perfectly when he decided to taunt a Dwarf King.
>>48021312
>you had at least 3 major human civilizations
That's a bit of a stretch, they were all just humans with pointy bits of metal and the occasional wizard with a bit of juice.
At their height the dorfs and knife ears ruled the world, legions of dorfs in full gromril shook the earth as they marched and entire squadrons of dragons soared through the skies.
The shit which exists now probably has no choice but to ally with the humans.
>>48021312
The dwarfs traded with humans for quite a long time, it just wasn't until Sigmar that they realized that men could make some pretty good allies when they weren't being total shits. Saving the High King of an entire race is a good way to get on their side. It also helps that after this alliance was formed, humans and dwarfs went through a lot of shit together.
When Nehekhara is concerned, Alcadizzar established some trade agreements with them but the nation was killed down to the last child shortly after that. I don't know if it was their first meeting but the way it was described it sure sounds like it since the Nehekharans are amazed with the quality, even more so after the ambassador says that it's basically dwarf junk by comparison to what else they can make.
>>48022657
>those affordable and easy to paint models!
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>>47996110
I thought skaven females were massive things that exist for breeding only?
>>48023839
They are but we aren't sure what they look like before the brainwashing, the drugs and the constant babymaking. They're kept that way, not born retarded.
>>48021353
Fallout NV is THE RPG.
>>48022622
Army book stories and Storm of Chaos.
Orcs aren't a meme race like Orks, and got little attention.
>>48024486
It was made by Obsidian. Y'know, the guys who know how to make a game and a story.
Sure it's usually buggy as hell but that's because the publisher wants it out now-now-now.
Bethesda, unsurprisingly, published it.
>>48023861
We don't know if they're made that way, or if all females get that done to them.
Games Workshop is notoriously "nogirlsallowed" and come up with constant reasons why females don't exist so they never have to cover them in fluff.
>>48024539
There's a decent amount of female representation for a medieval fantasy world. It just isn't a world where a girl who looks like a swimsuit model but she can swing a sword that a Chaos Warrior would have trouble with.
Usually if a woman shows up she's pretty important. The Everqueen, the Fey Enchantress, Morathi, Khalida.
Hell, Drutheria and Ashniel, two dark elf sorceresses, are partly responsible for two of the worst events to happen in Warhammer. The War of the Beard and the rise of Nagash.
>>48010816
mad robot minis have a modular valhallan count as unit.
puppet wars have heads like that as well, not sure if the come without gas masks though.
Same goes for Pig Iron. They have ushanka heads, not sure if they come without gasmasks though.
Westwind has a range of ww1/2 heads that look alright on GW stuff, so you check if they have what you need.
Fireforge just released some russian plastic infantry too, not sure if they would be appropriate in terms of equipment and armor to fit into the timeframe WHFB draws inspiration from though.
If you know a good bits trader you could check if you can get the heads from the Empire Archer kits though.
>>48023839
They are and they're born fuck huge, they get pumped full of drugs to increase fertility though.
Gw take a "realistic" approach to things, there's no way female skaven could be anything other than slave fodder in a society that revolves around trickery and strength.
>>48024539
Except that their elf factions are like 50/50 male female.
Human soldiers are all males because anything else is silly high fantasy and Skaven are rats, who cares? Are you a furry?
Incidentally, when I was a kid, one of my friends claimed his Skaven warlord was a female. This was before the "breeder" fluff. Or if it was around, it was hidden somewhere in the RPG or something. We all made fun of him for it, and if I ran into him again I'd bring it up.
>>48024832
>>The Grey Ladies of the Council of 13
>>"I don't want to vote yes if Pestilens is going to vote yes."
>>"I think the Seer Lord has too much power, we should exclude her from further plots-planning."
And not much has changed.
>>48024525
What's the difference? Same people, right? Bethesda absorbed them or some shit?
Yeah, F4 was disappointing as a Fallout story but was a good game in general and wasn't as bad as F:BoS in terms of story. That's better than 99% of the market right now.
Can't think of any company other than Harebrained Schemes that can pull it off decently, and I'm incredibly sick of Isometric. Give me another first person RPG with modding out the ass.
>>48024969
They're different companies. F:NV was so good because a lot of people at Obsidian were some of the original devs on Fallout 1 and 2.
Bethesda makes really shallow games and is only saved because modders go balls to the wall with them.
>>48024539
>take a look at my wood elves
>at least half are females
????
>>48024607
Yeah, but then you have three asexual races and two where females are literally incapable of being anything but baby machines off-camera.
Like "no females space marines because of genetics that do not work that way".
>>47994592
I'm wondering if there were ever different sizes of dragon to differentiate between Moon, Sun and Star dragons used by High Elves (and why no other faction got different sizes). The new Stardrake model would be a great way to represent a Star Dragon. The typical High Elf dragons are so skinny looking.
>>48025039
>yeah, but...
dropped
>>48025064
doesnt the prince on dragon mini have a pretty new-ish model for the dragon
maybe they look skinny because it was the intention
>>48025089
The dragon models have really skinny bodies but the art ranges from slim to beefy. The Forgeworld dragon was probably the best representation of the artwork. I guess it's just like people. Some are bigger than others, some are skinnier.
