Telvanni Edition
>Tabletop/P&P RPGs
[Scrollhammer - Tabletop Wargame] http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Scrollhammer_2nd_Edition
Discussion in #Scrollhammer (irc.thisisnotatrueending.com (port 6667))
[UESRPG 1e + other TES RPGs] http://www.mediafire.com/uesrpg
Discussion in #UESRPG (same server)
>Lore Resources
[The Imperial Library] http://www.imperial-library.info/
[/r/teslore] http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/
[UESP/Lore] http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page
[Pocket Guide to the Lore] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] http://www.elderlore.wordpress.com/
[How to Become a Lore Buff] http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
>General Rules
No waifus or husbandos except for clones.
Keep the MK/Lady N related squabbling to a minimum.
Previous Kalpa >>47939906
First for comfy wizard towers.
Second for Bretons.
Third for Alfiq alchemists.
>>47976230
they smell of fungus
>>47976321
They smell of Bugmusk and clonegasms.
>>47976356
well... that sounds better
brb joining telvanni
I'm thinking about making videos over TES lore.
What should I cover? What would be the basics, and from where to I go into deeper stuff?
>>47976230
I'm more partial to Redoran architecture and interior.
>>47976555
Start straight from the deep stuff, there's already more than enough shitty entry-level lore videos.
>>47976555
It's probably a good idea to cover the basic stuff like provinces, deities and major factions when starting out.
>>47975830
The best part about that tomb is the hidden loot that is very easy to miss unless you're anal about searching through all rooms.
>>47976280
This one's potions are too strong for you, traveller
>>47976555
Youtube videos is the worst medium for ES lore possible.
>>47976937
I for one learn easier from videos than text.
>>47976661
I'll consider this.
>>47976676
My first video will probably be crap, so I might as well start on some condensed information that all but the newest of Skyrimfags would know just to get the ball rolling.
>>47976937
I can see that, but most people learn better through different mediums, like how some people are more visual and others are more auditory. I wasn't expecting to become youtube famous, just to make a video for whenever somebody asks what CHIM is, like that Dreamer Awake guy tried.
>>47977161
You could sum up the events from previous games in a short and snappy format so that everyone watching is on the same page.
>>47976356
>clonegasms
if they had a child would it be clone too?
Are we sure that Fyr has been alive for thousands of years, or is he actually a clone that he transfers his memory to each new clone when the current body starts to die?
>>47976937
UESP is probably the best one I've found for exploring lore. If there is a better way, then please by all means tell me.
>>47977233
Nah, just inbred.
>>47977298
Neloth is still alive and less senile than he was in the third era. So I wouldn't put it past for any other high ranking Telvanni wizard to stay alive for thousands year.
>>47977223
That sounds like a pretty good idea. That might just be my first video, outside of maybe an introduction.
>>47977377
UESP is okay, just make sure to ignore the ESO shit.
>>47977403
Also make a 40 minute long video on MK.
>>47977442
I already have you covered. It's just 9 hours of a camera pointed at me while I mutter the 36 lessons and write "CHIM" on the walls with my own blood.
>>47977405
Yeah. The ESO adds nothing save the occasional place name, there is nothing signifigant lore in the whole of the game.
The No-Longer-King-Of-Rape-But-Of-Conquest-Fuck-You-Dagor was reduced to saturday morning cartoon viliain fucking over the cosmology in such a way as to render it non canon in the great scope.
I can think of no serious reason why ESO can not be considered the Elder Scrolls Equivilant of Star Wars: Legends material.
>>47977377
Imperial Library.
>>47977442
This sort of exists.It's live footage.
>>47976555
Don't do it
>>47977498
It doesn't count if he is meditating in his drugcoffin.
>>47977552
OK, Why?
So is c0da any good?
>>47977812
Because dozens of people already have done so with higher viewing counts and more established channels in very detailed ways.
It is unlikely you will see many views.
>>47977912
Yeah man, people like mozart already made music famous, we should just stop making music now it's all over
>>47977912
Is their presentation any good?
>>47977912
I'm not really intending to become famous, just to make maybe 5 videos.
>>47977956
okaythenmyfriend
>>47977965
They are pretty good yes, typically with a lot of animation from the game too. Good sound quality, there is another who does Dark Souls Lore which is very comfy.
Do not get discouraged though, all you need is a hook if you are wanting a channel on youtube. I suspect you lack obvious cleavage so it may have to be an adopted personality or a special feature unique to your channel.
What I do suggest, that might be very interesting, is talking about the lore from the perspective of those experiencing it. This would take liberties with certain things and would require immense study and understanding of the human mind. But to hear a realistic and engaging telling of how Vivec took to Godhood and why he covered the truth.
-That- would be well worth listening to.
If your still here videoanon i would like to watch your video if you make it.
>>47978196
Sure, I'm writing the script as we speak. I'll link it, and love some constructive criticism. Might take a week or two to make since I've got a job, friends, and a girlfriend.
>>47977812
Because unless you are capable of backing up everything you say with the correct sources, and actually making note of them, your videos are objectively worthless. The last thing we need is another youtube spreading misinformation about the lore.
Likewise, gathering info can take alot of time, and chances are, if you don't take the extra time to make your videos flashy and attractive, the effort you put into gathering will be wasted and no one will watch them.
This brings me to my main point. Youtube at its very core is just a medium to whore attention. The only reason any one posts anything on youtube is so that people can watch it. If you do bother to put actual effort into your videos, and still find that no one is watching them or giving feedback, you're probably just going to end up immediately quitting, and regretting you ever made the videos in the first place. Having no one watch your shit means you've failed your one objective, which is a stupid essentially egocentric objective to begin with.
All and all, you're better off just sticking to sites like this and discussing the lore in a community with people who will always respond.
>>47978549
Dude, I just wanted a quick video over something with a few sources in the description, that somebody could just link for a quick answer. It's no different than making an infographic, and if my 4 or 5 videos only get watched by 1 or 2 people who lurk the threads, that's fine considering it isn't a large target demographic and I'm not expecting to even have subscribers.
>>47978634
>It's no different than making an infographic
Than why not make an infograph?
>>47978634
If anything it will be a fun learning experience for you. Maybe you could use the comic like style of presentation Zero Punctuation uses when illustrating events?
>>47978841
Do you not understand why hes making the video? Guess i expected to much from the average anon.
>>47978634
>DON'T DO SOMETHING YOU'D ENJOY FOR GITS AND SHIGGLES THAT MIGHT BENEFIT DISCUSSION, YOU MIGHT NOT GET POPULAR RAGGLEFRAGGLE
do what you want senpai, personally i'd be down for some non-shit lore vids, just make sure you don't cock it up and we'll be golden.
>>47979050
Spergs have a hard time seeing the world from other perspectives.
>>47978110
>talking about the lore from the perspective of those experiencing it.
This could be very interesting, a first world perspective on existing lore. Exploring the motivations and reasons, it would require a lot of deductive reasoning.
>>47979050
>Do you not understand why hes making the video?
I guess I don't
His only explanation seems to be that he wants to make an infograph but not an infograph.
>>47979166
How fucking dense are you.
>>47978841
Because I want to make a video, not an infograph...
>>47979166
Why are you arguing this?
>>47979226
>>47979286
Alright so the glaring reason people are battering me over is 'just because'
glad that's cleared up
>>47979380
I'm not arguing anything
Can somebody explain Human migratory patterns in history?
I think it was Nedes , then that became Nedes, Cyro-Nedes, and Atmorans. The Atmorans became Nords, the Cyro-Nedes became Imperials, and the Nedes became the rest, right?
>>47976555
I think you should listen to >>47976661
Ignore this anon >>47976676 because this isn't a good idea. Entry-level lore is not something many people need help with, and there are already plenty of sources for it anyway. You wouldn't be covering anything that isn't in the PGEs, at least two wikis and a dozen other vids.
Put your time into lore vids about something more niche. Mantling, the Marukhati Selective.
Or do something about character design, in particular about weird race/class combos. I often see posts along the lines of "Altmer Barbarian? lol how the fuck is that meant to work". I can think of three different ways that particular combo could work, apparently others have a brain block over this stuff though. Encourage people to look beyond flat stereotypes while still sticking to sensible lore.
>>47979460
First there were the Wandering Ehlnofey. Then they became Atmorans, then they gradually returned to Tamriel and became Nedes. Then the last Atmorans came with Ysgramor.
Ancient Nedic tribes under Ayylmao influence gave birth to the Nibenese.
Nedes + Direnni = Bretons
Nedes + Atmorans = Nords
Nords + Nedes = Colovians
>>47976555
>tfw DreamerAwakeLore will never post videos
>tfw no more Selectives Lorecast
>tfw if they do make a TESVI Valenwood, they'll either not include or completely ruin Imga
Its enough to make you so angry, angry enough to dance around a tower.
Are the females of Tamriel shave their public hair? Are there racial differences in that matter?
>>47979889
Bosmer don't shave
Or wash
>>47979889
Nobody really shaves their pubic hair. If there had to be a race to do so, maybe the Altmer, but even then that's unlikely. I would imagine that elves do tend to be less hairy, with the exception of orcs, and this is confirmed in Skyrim seeing how elves have less chest hair than humans.
>>47979889
depends on the culture.
Take Dunmer for example, Ashlanders never shave, your average civvie is 50/50 chance, and a priestess of Vivec/Mephala will most likely be shavedunless unshaved is her fetish
>>47979889
Just like in the real world I'm willing to bet it's something that goes in circles.
However, since the lack of toilets or excrement in Nirn indicates that no one has any urinal tract pipe or anus, I'm sceptic to how their nether regions actually look like.
>>47980090
There's buckets that are obviously used for toilets in Skyrim, and sewers in all the games.
>>47980090
>sceptic
I'm pretty sure they're the ones that are sceptic
>>47976937
Good thing your opinions don't matter.
>>47980122
Their sewers are way to clean. They no doubt have no idea what to actually use their sewers for.
>>47979460
Nedes+migratory Atmorans = Cyro-Nords.
The Nedes did not become anyone else besides the Bretons.
>>47979670
The Out of Atmora theory is debated.
Anyway, you don't need Nedes to make Nords.
>>47980090
>>47980137
>>47979460
Nede is a very broad term that refers to any human population in Tamriel prior to the arrival of the Nords. All sorts of various (extremely various) Nedic people lived in ancient Cyrodiil, High Rock, Hammerfell, Argonia, and maybe Morrowind.
Whether or not they actually came from Atmora isn't fully known.
The Nedic peoples of High Rock are quickly dominated by the Elves same as those in Cyrodiil, who find themselves enslaved by the Ayleids. The far eastern Nedes all seem to eventually go extinct, most during the Knahaten flu of the Second Era.
The Elves of High Rock, who are a bit less conservative than the Altmer of Sumurset when it comes to purity of blood, frequently help themselves to the local humans and as a result we see the beginning of what would eventually become the modern Breton race, the Manmeri. The people that would become the Reachmen are very heavily interbred, and have lots of orcish blood in their veins.
Then the Nords come down from Atmora and overthrow the Snow Elves, eventually forming their own united nation under Harald.
Once the Nords discover that there are humans in High Rock, they surmount an invasion of the province to allegedly liberate them.
Likewise, the Cyrodiilic Nedes initiate their own war against their Elven masters, inspired by the Nords victories against the Elves.
The Nordic Empire eventually joins in on this rebellion and succeed in overthrowing the Ayleids. Lots of Nords settle in Nibenay, and intermingling between them and the local humans gives birth to the Cyro-Nordic peoples, who would become the Cyrodiils. Some nomadic Cyro Nords migrate farther west and displace or incorporate the indigenous Nedes, settling in Colovia and becoming what we know as Colovians. The Cyro-Nords of the east become the Nibenese.
Eventually the only Nedes that really remained are contained in eastern Hammerfell and get completely assfucked during the Ra Gada invasion of the early ninth century.
That's pretty much it.
>>47980122
Then where does the huge mammoth turds and all the cow dung go? Do the animals also shit in buckets or does the shit fairie just spirit all of that shit away?
>>47980251
It's understandable to suspect there were Nedes who lived in parts of what is now (south-western) Morrowind based on a few references in extant first era sources.
>>47979889
depends on the mod
Okay, so i've been wondering what exactly IS Tonal Architecture? All I know is that it involves cutting spheres, vibrations, and getting everything wrong
Are Bretons Anuic or Padomayic?
On one hand they change things, make a bunch of adventures, are Human, revere Talos, and seem to be as Padomayic as any other race.
On the other hand they have elven ancestry, value tradition, and demonize Sheor as a demon. They even view the dichotomy of stasis vs. change as light vs. darkness respectively.
>>47980611
Depends on what tone you're going for.
>>47980122
>>47980137
>>47980088
>>47980090
Thank you for the insightful answers. You are truly the masters of the lore.
Btw which race has the best feet?
>>47980739Khajiitpawpads
>>47980623
Yes.
They're like Talos, at once Padhomic and Anuic due to being both Dovahkiin and Shezzarine
So its best to say hat they are equally aligned to Anu and Padhome, which may have been one of the factors that helped Hjalti achieve CHIM
>>47980770disgusting
>>47980797says the footfag
>>47980611
Tonal architecture is magic.
More accurately, it's using Bullshit to rewrite reality.
More more accurately, Tonal Architecture is the use of specific tones and songs to ritualistically uncreate the earthbones, that which determines natural law on Nirn. Using tonal architecture, the dwemer could basically reshape reality to what they wanted it to be. Think of it like installing a new OS on your computer while it's running.
>>47977551
>imperial library
>laughingmer.jpg
>>47980923
>Think of it like installing a new OS on your computer while it's running.
Sounds risky
>>47980797
>implying
>>47981245
Dwemer are not very sensible.
>>47980611
Imagine Nirn was a song.
Now imagine someone found a way to manipulate that song.
>>47981245
>risky
I mean, it only completely cut an entire race of people from existence.
>>47980923
>>47981425
alright, that makes sense
So when Dagoth said he was "older than song" he was really just being a huge blowhard by saying he's older than reality, when the truth was that he was tripping major balls
>>47980923
>Think of it like installing a new OS on your computer while it's running
You can't install anything if the computer isn't running.
>>47981478
Essentially
Nirn as a song and musical parallels are common throughout TES, it's just with the dwemer it pops up a lot more because musical stuff was their shtick.
Guys, you are all very lore educated. Did Vehk help or hurt the Dunmer?
Please keep the chim to a minimum, coda is unacceptable.
>>47981505
>Please keep the chim to a minimum, coda is unacceptable.
Ah, the boringfags are here
>>47981505
>Did Vehk help or hurt the Dunmer?
Yes
He did a lot of good things
He also did a few bad things
But he always did what was necessary
>>47981505
Well, he protected them a shit ton through out history. He gave them all the ability to breathe water and flooded Morrowind when they were invaded by Akavir.
>>47981505
He helped them in a hurtful way.
>>47977515
>Yeah. The ESO adds nothing save the occasional place name, there is nothing signifigant lore in the whole of the game.
Actually it has some interesting lore on how various gods are worshipped by different races.
>>47981654
It also confirms that the dumbest race are wood elves.
How do I CHIM irl?
>>47981654
Reminder that Orsinium is the only decent part of the game
>>47981534
>boringfags
You mean the "people who don't want endless pretentious waffle about high metaphysics in a discussion about earthly, tangible consequences".
>b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh Lessons
>b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh Walking Ways
Nobody cares, hyperdork.
>>47981716
>hyperdork
We're in a thread about video game lore, fampai. We're all dorks down here.
>>47981716
>muh Lessons
which detail the answers to the singular question you posted
>hyperdork.
says the loser asking a question that already had obvious in game answers, while also avoiding said answers because MK touched you in a bad place
I know a few places better suited for your kind
>>>/v/
>>>/vg/
I hope it's okay for me to ask this here. In the next TES game, where does it most make sense for it to take place and what lore associated with that place would be helpful or interesting to know?
>>47981670
That's been known for a while though.
>>47981948
Why even bother guessing, it will be shit anyway.
>>47981982
Because I'll still play it, regardless of how shit it is.
>>47981958
Yeah but in TESO it's just kind of ridiculous
Guess that's what happens when you bow to Yifftree
That or all the smart bosmer disappeared with the capital city.
>>47982061
The only thing I can remember ESO adding on Wood Elf stuff is that if you manage to steal from Wood Elves you get to keep it.
>>47982084
Yeah but that just makes sense
I'm talking stuff like where the Wood Elves pull a Brigadoon but one guy has to stay behind. And his pregnant wife somehow can't stay with him despite there being no reason not to.
Then the town logs out and they leave this poor chick behind.
>>47981579
Could be argued that he held them back and was simply a regressive force on their culture and life along with the rest of the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur and The Nerivare.
Let us not forget it was the planetoid he summoned that ultimately destroyed Vivec City, caused Red Mountain/Red Tower.
>>47981575
Who is to say that they could not of repelled the invaders themselves, they had previously defeated the Dunmer on their own terms without the use of the God Powers.
And negotiated better terms for themselves without Vivec, considering they would not be shackled with the term of allowing Vardenfal as a temple preserve.
>>47980770
True. Cat paws are super soft.
>>47982204
>was simply a regressive force on their culture and life along with the rest of the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur and The Nerivare.
Wrong. before those guys came along the Velothi were a bunch of scattered and warring disparate tribes. With the arise of Nerevar and his crew there arose a new unifying culture, society, and a great nation to rival that of ancient Resdayn from long ago, that is still standing to this day.
>let us not forget it was the planetoid he summoned
>he summoned
completely false, and confirmed for being an idiot. Said planetoid was one of his bastard offspring from Molag, of whome he was hunting down to prevent from causing problems for his people, that was forced on its collision into Nirn by Sheogorath who thought it would be the funniest shit to see this new great empire be destroyed by a demigod rock.
Vivec only kept it hovering above the city to keep as proof of the cool stuff he did, and it only crashed after vivec was weakened considerably after the sundering of the Heart of Lorkhan and he was either told to leave Morrowind, or was killed by the Nerevarine.
>, they had previously defeated the Dunmer on their own terms without the use of the God Powers.
No idea what you mean here, as it seems like you mistyped since Chimer were not Dunmer until after the Battle at Red Mountain. Also, all the other times the Akaviri invaded Tamriel they often steamrolled until some manner of demigod (Reman, Whulfarth, Vivec) stepped up to stop them.
You literally have no idea what your talking about
>>47982114
I mean, that's dumb and all, but creating an entire cultural trait just so that the Altmer have an excuse to steal a navy is idiotic.
>>47982204
>Let us not forget it was the planetoid he summoned that ultimately destroyed Vivec City, caused Red Mountain/Red Tower
After the events of Morrowind change was needed, and change in Resdayn tends to be heralded by a great cataclysm.
Let's not forget Sun's Death, which saw the Tribunal's rise to power.
Baar Dau was a reset button of sorts.
If their is anything that will never change about the Dunmer, it is that no hardship will ever break their spirit.
Vivec was helping in a hurtful way
>>47982681
>idiotic
well yeah, they're bosmer.
>>47982204
>*tips fur helm*
>>47982836
He's probably wearing his cousin, Don't-Sneak-So-Good
>>47982897
>conflating Khajiit and Argonian naming conventions
>>47982776
Yeah, but that's just really kicking them in the balls.
>>47982968
>Balls
But they're Bosmer.
>>47982948
They're both slaves, doesn't matter what I call them as long as they work.
>>47982776
But Trainwiz, I thought Reachmen were your least favorite race
What are some good TES BBEG ideas that aren't too heavy on the metaphysics? I kinda want to get my player's feet wet before we have any Urs show up.
>>47983022
I'm slowly being won over.
>>47983033
> that aren't too heavy on the metaphysics
The same as any other BBEG in a a game of fantasy.
A bandit king, a powerful or corrupt wizard, etc.
>>47983033
Ultra powerful mage
Daedra
Blessed cultist with some artifact
>>47983033
A former member of House Dagoth who was banished and cursed to be an ash-spirit for calling Voryn Dagoth abitchass n'wah, who travels around looking for new bodies to inhabit to continue his mad spree of chaos and ignorance.
He enters the bodies of Dunmer when they are at their weakest, when they are experiencing ann'wah moment
No ulterior metaphysical motives, just some undying old clod who is a hugen'wahhttps://youtu.be/uQ9AbtCxDQA
>>47983033
I find House Telvanni to be the best source, they could be doing anything from invading the forests of the Wood Elves with their Mushroom towers to subverting the teleport network of the Mages Guild.
>>47983077
do tell
>>47983033
Bandit lords, rogue mages, petty tyrants and minor barons that (probably falsely) claim to be descended from houses/families of note, like in Death Blow of Abernanit.
>>47981829
>which detail the answers to the singular question you posted
>Implying
Nope, that was me, not the anon you replied to. I just want a straight answer; did the Tribunal fuck the Dunmer, or did their godhood stealing shenanigans help them long term?
>>47983328
a little bit of both, but mostly helpful. Having godhood allowed them to better keep their empire held together for longer and allowed them a strong unified front against the numerous invasions and cataclysms over time, like the rise of Tiber, the Akavir, and other such things
It's the fallout of all that being pulled out from under their feet that messed them up super hard, particularly Almalexia going utterly insane with the loss of her power and screwing over Sotha
>>47983296
No I mean won over to believing bosmer are even dumber
>>47983429
O-oh. okay. that's fair enough.now time for me to find a briar to replace my broken heart
>>47983248
Yeah but if you go Telvanni you pretty much can't have any overarching story or deeper character motivation. Just "for science, and because I wanted to"
Question: Are any of the TES-based tabletop RPGs in a playable state right now? Or do they still feel like their very much in development?
>>47983672
They could be people with other wants and desires, but also just happen to be a Telvanni wizard.
>>47983672
>>47983715
Telvanni just offer the science and technology bit, the real reason could be somebody paying them with slaves, gold and recources.
>>47983715
>other wants and desires
>Telvanni wizard
Not unless those other wants are "having sex with a female clone"
So Trainwiz, What are your plans for the future? will you ever get back into Skyrim modding, or are you going to focus almost solely on Fallout 4 for the next while?Do you know of any modders looking for their next project?
>>47983749
>having sex with a female clone
Are there any other wizards besides Fyr who figured out how to live the dream?
>>47983976
I will probably finish up Maxwell's World, then focus on a different project. probably not gonna get back into Skyrim though. I've other priorities.
It's worth tonal magic extends to the Thu'um as well.
>>47981579
This.
>>47981187
What?
>>47984001
Why do I get the feeling that M'aiq is going to have a joke about trains in the next game?
>>47983675
Yes, the UESRPG is fully playable.
>>47984044
only if people complain about there not being trains
>>47984068
With or without you, I could see them make a joke about you, considering you dragon mod is pretty iconic of the moding community.
>>47983033
Vampires who have secretly infiltrated powerful positions in Tamriel's society.
>>47980739DunmerLiterally best at everything
>>47983505
Hey
Hey
How does it feel to know that Lady N only sees the Foresworn as Native American copies?
>>47984060
I can't really agree there - it's still in beta, and not everything is totally written out, I don't think. Like how alchemy works.
>>47983033
The Blades, The Morag Tong, The Camona Tong, Whichever branch of the Dark Brotherhood hasn't destroyed itself by now.
Bonus here is, once thew players figure out it's them, next they have to figure out who's paying them/cutting their orders, and why.
Do you ever have trouble choosing what factions to join, or if you should join any?
>>47980923
>More accurately, it's using Bullshit to rewrite reality.
Think of it like installing a new OS on your computer while it's running.
I love the way you word things, Trainwiz.
>>47986989
Not all lore has to be hist spaceships shooting math
If anything, questions like those show just how lazy the world is, everything that isn't grand chimfuckery is just whatever real life is.
>>47981681
~
>>47987020
Oh come on, why don't you complain about how characters in TES act just like people in real life do?
>>47987057
But we do?
Schedules are usually the biggest offender.
>>47987100
Look, the point that I'm badly trying to make here is that some things you can't help but base off of real life, because trying to make something completely different is just too strange or too overwhelming. 'Just whatever real life is' doesn't necessarily mean the setting is bad, because usually whatever real life is self-explanatory.
>>47987144
It doesn't have to be different.
I'm completely okay with it being exactly the same as real life.
The issue I'm taking is there's nothing saying anything about it.
We barely know anything about what makeup some races prefer, if they like purple lipstick or green, but we know they wear them.
We're assuming the blush is done for beauty purposes but there's no book that's telling us "chicks wear it to look attractive".
The issue isn't being different, the issue is not being addressed at all.
Are hairstyles done up in braids when working at stalls because sex sells, or do they do it for the practical purpose of not getting hair over food or jewelry displays? Both? Is there even a reason?
We don't know because they don't even mention it.
All this mundane shit people don't think twice about is just as important to building a world as giant imperial moths. It doesn't have to be different, it just has to be there.
>concept art for skyrim is filled with spears
>there are no spears in game
they showed working spears with the game jam thing, why did they never actually add them?
>>47987469
I imagine they had a shitton of bugs
>>47987623
so did Morrowind, but they turned them into an efficient public transportation system and everything worked out in the end.
>>47987469
They refuse to. They can, they obviously can, but they don't want to
Why don't mages just keep conjuring and put daedras in soul-gems until Oblivion is empty? Surely someone have tried to fuck with a pocket-realm of Oblivion in this manner?
>>47987740
>send tons of angry daedra to the soul cairn, which was connected to the imperial battlespire until the events of the battlespire game in 3E400
>the battlespire, of course being connected to nirn via teleport
what could possibly go wrong?
>>47987804
Infinite Daedra soul trap.
what happens when a trapped soul escapes the cairn?
specifically, what happens with the soul gem/enchantment?
>>47987984
>what happens when a trapped soul escapes the cairn?
They can't.
dragon priestesses when?
>>47988004
What is St lessia?
>>47988004
>scale train
CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS
>>47988004
>>47988017
All female priestess' of Arkay are dragon priestess' and all males are dragon priests.
>>47987804
I must be missing something because I honestly can't see anything wrong with this. As >>47987995 mentioned, trapped souls can't escape.
>>47988065
Well i assume he meant daedra daedra and not the collective term for all "demons", which doesn't change anything. The cairn has it's own rules of governance etc so lets say 1million daedra were there and were going to cause a ruckus the cairns "native" denizens would slap there shit and it would amount to jack squat.
>>47988085
their*
I've read multiple times that Dragonborn is full of obscure 'deep' lore. Now I played it two times if I remember correctly, I've read the books etc. but I'm still not sure if I'm not missed something.
What are those interesting lore parts?What are the secrets of Skaald?
Can you enchant soul gems?
If so, can you enchant them to be able to store more souls?
>>47987804
>wanting to be raped by an annoyed demiprince
>>47988126
She should've had her eyes half closed and she'd look almost like almy
>>47988126
What in particular or regarding DB have you heard mentioned?
>>47988126
>What are the secrets of the Skaal?
>>47988177
Stuff about Miraak and All-Maker mantling.
>>47988194
Sounds interesting. I second this line of inquiry
>>47981478
The rythm of the world follows the Doom Drum, Lorkhan's heart
>>47988230
well its been a while since I played dragonborn, and I dont have that picture saved, but basically based on the chanting those sleepwalking workers do, and some stuff on the all-maker, and the temples and the pillars you can reach the conclusion that miraak is actually trying to mantle the all-maker
its the: when the world remembers, it will cease to be, lines or something like that
>>47985917
People actually care what she thinks?
The Shivering Isles' non-daedra inhabitants (like the citizens of New Sheoth) are all 'imported' from Nirn, right?
Are there other princes' planes like this, where they let mortals live in it?
>>47985917
You care too much about her, it's pretty sad
so I asked Sheogorath to launch Baar Dau into Vivec City and he actually did it the absolute madman haha
>>47988400
I'd imagine that Malacath has orcs living in the Ashpit. No idea what the criteria would be though, maybe unifying orcs and strengthening their bond as a race.
>>47988400
Most of the time. I'd imagine that there are some who were born there.
>>47985917
I nerver payed much attention to them. What are they supposed to be based on?
>>47988085
> And it would amount to jack squat.
You'd be a huge dick to the daedras you caught and whatever daedric prince they worked for. With enough time and soulgems you would probably be able to make sure that Oblivion forever is a non-issue simply by ensuring there's no daedras left in it except the daedric princes.
>>47988400
Sanguine has plenty of pocket planes in Oblivion where revelers party all day, all night. He might have brought them around there to keep it lively or as a prank like how you did it with him in Skyrim
>>47988522
Celts and Gauls.
>>47988194
Wasn't Miraak's intention to mantle the Dragonborn to free himself of his enslavement under Hermaeus Mora? Like some kind gamble to exchange his fate with someone else?
>>47988584
not dragonborn, afaik he actually wanted to mantle the all-maker
Reminder that dick shrinking spells are canon.
>>47989101
atleast give us a source, fetcher
So we're trying to get a UESRPG group going and I was planning on an alchemist.
With heal self costing 15*SpellLeve, creating healing potions gets ridicoulously expensive though, any ways around that?
Can I use more ingredients for the same component?
>>47988400
IIRC Apocrypha has mortals who make their way there seeking knowledge and basically never leave because holy fuck all dat knowledge. But probably not too awful many given the whole "have to know how to transport yourself to Oblivion" thing.
>>47989112
http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Wylandriah
>Hemming: "So, have you thought about what I said?"
>Wylandriah: "I find the concept of sleeping with you not only repulsive, but morally unsettling. Does that answer your question?"
>Hemming: "You listen to me. I'd be careful wagging that pretty little tongue at me like that otherwise I may just have it cut off."
>Wylandriah: "Just stay away from me and maybe I won't weave a spell to shrink something that matters to you."
>Yfw wizards can shrink the peckers off anybody who annoys them
>Yfw the opposite must be true as well.
>>47989119
That's the point, I'd imagine. It's an attempt to stop alchemy from being too OP.
Really the best way to do it is to have a few spells, and use alchemy as a back up.
Or, you know, talk to your DM and fluff the rules.
>>47988194
>>47988230
>>47988371
I grant alms unto thee
>>47989119
sucks that as an atronach your Restoration spells are limited as well.
At least there are lots of temples and alchemists to be found in Morrowind.
>>47988065
Oblivion will never run out of lesser Daedra, they come from infinitely large sources. If there even exists a knowable population of lesser daedra, which their likely isn't, that population would likely be extraordinarily high.
I also tend to doubt that the soul cairn has stronger bindings to a lesser daedra than the Princes they are connected to. Spent Daedra souls likely returned to their masters to begin with, hence why there are no lesser daedra souls in the soul cairn.
The process you speak of, even if it were feasibly possible, which it likely isn't, would probably take billions of years (even with a fucking army of mages, and assuming the lesser daedra would not just constantly replenish themselves) and require more soul gems then the world could even come close to providing.
>>47989706
I'm sorry but this entire theory is just a bunch of speculation and ass-pulling.
>>47989995
>TES Lore: The Post
>>47989706
But how can Miraak break the current Kalpa? And if he Chim'd why is he doing all that bullshit in the tiny Solstheim? He would be able to dun goof everything and anyone.
>>47989995
Right, cause Miraak is just a capeshit action movie power hungry villain right?
Miraak is a well-designed end boss like Dagoth Ur, not like Harkon or Mehrunes Dagon.
>>47990041
>relativizing everything
>not being a huge faggot
Pick one.
>>47990041
Not really, if you think that's the case you probably don't know that much about the lore. Most of TESlore is pretty decisive, and theories are generally formed by drawing actual connections between sources.
This theory is literally just reading extremely vague and ambiguous lines and interpreting them to come to seemingly pre-determined conclusions which are then rebounded in even more layers of speculation until the theorist has effectively obscured the entire thing into whatever he wants to see.
>>47990138
>I don't believe someone's theory
>that means Miraak is automatically a generic villain
>>47990102
Not sure, as I'm not the original guy, but if I had to guess its the same reason Vivec and Tiber did so little with CHIM and never really used it to fix all their problems. Those with CHIM never use it for totally selfish means as the knowledge of the wheel gained from CHIM prevents it.
Vivec still relied on the Heart, Tiber on Whulfarth and later Numidium, and Miraak on Solstheim towers and Apocrypha
Also because its easier to do this stuff on the small and localized Solstheim with its working towers, rather than across Tamriel with their shitty broken towers. Solstheim served as the perfect little mytheopic echo for him to work from without drawing too much attention to himself
>>47990222
So, what the fuck is Miraak actually doing then? Just mind controlling the inhabitants of Solstheim?
>>47988583
I was happy when the dragonborn quest to study the briarhearts came because it reminded me of finnish mythology and belief of three part soul: breath, self and nature/guardianspirit/luck/soul
>>47990250
He's doing something that we can't say for certain.
From what I can gather, his plans aren't that much different from that of Dagoth Ur or even Tiber Septim.
He wants to return to the world so that he can use his power to conquer the Arena and shape the world as he sees fit.
>>47987661
>but they turned them into an efficient public transportation system
w-what?
>>47990540
it was a thinly veiled pun.
What/who do argonians worship?
>>47990540
Took me a while to get the joke aswell
here's a hint though
>>47990540
>>47990540
He means the bugs, not the spears.
>>47990558
beat me to it
>>47990582
>you will never ride Vehk's spear
>>47990571
>hut roof is shaped like a wizard hat
Does Elder Scrolls have any wizard hats though? They usually wear hoods and colovian fur helms are the only thing that get close to it.
>>47990558
>>47990567
>>47990571
>>47990582
Oh, I see... good one
>>47990567
The Hist.
>>47990610
yes
>>47990610
They're worn by some wizards in Daggerfall. It's probably a Breton thing.
>>47990632
There's gotta be more than that though.
Would argonians raised in Morrowind worship the tribunal?
>>47990674
Not necessarily, but the Hist is part of Argonian biology. They're born as little lizard things and grow more humanoid as they eat the sap from a Hist tree.
>>47990610
Not since Morrowind,thankfully
>>47990831
I loved colovian fur helms, they were goofy. Shame Oblivion didn't have them despite being set in Cyrodiil. Skyrim also didn't use the nord armors there were in Morrowind (bear armor, nordic trollbone, nordic iron, nordic fur, nordic mail, nordic bearskin)
>>47990858
The world is getting less and less advanced as time goes on. Soon we will have rocks for weapons and no monsters, because the real monster isTodd Howard
>>47990950
Why are we antagonizing Todd again instead of Pete Hines or Zenimax?
In all seriousness, Todd has been with Bethesda for a long time and actually cares about video games. People like Pete Hines on the other hand are the kind of faggots who push for casualization and dumbing down.
>>47991015
It's a joke, as he's the spokeman and visible head, just like Captain KFC with Zenimax Online
>>47991015
It's mostly a meme. Todd blaming has mostly just evolved from the whole 'tell me lies' thing.
In all seriousness, I do tend to doubt that Todd is the one pushing all this casualization. However, I do believe that he's completely okay with it, and, him being the the project leader and all, has plenty of guilt on his shoulders for allowing it.
>>47991162
Wow, Pete Hines is one overcompensating faggot. Look at their postures, Pete is probably just an inch taller than Todd, and Todd's a manlet already.
I always thought of Todd as the kinda guy who would accept manlet status, while Pete would be a faggot about it.
>>47990950
Skyrim is the best Elder Scrolls game. The so called casualization is a boring /v/ meme.
>>47991422
Careful not to fall for it
>>47991281
There is a bit more to the image than posture.
Crossing your arms is defensive body language and signals that you're not interested in what someone else is saying. He is also hiding his hands, which signals an even more defensive or negative mood. Peter also has tight lips and him appearing taller gives the impression that he is looking down at the camera compared to Todd whos head is more centered in the photo.
What Todd is doing in the photo is a relaxed and inviting. At the same time he also displays a more confident body language and doesn't hide his hands. He also smiles at the camera while looking in what can be percieved as eye contact.
It's truly a terrible photographer for Peter Hines to be in and it really shows how Todd is just a better choice for a PR. Although, when I was watching Hines at E3 this year he just seemed stressed and annoyed just being there compared to Todd in the previous year.
>>47991422
I honestly prefer it the most of the bunch as a sandbox game when I just want to unwind my thoughts.
I am downloading TESO because I have to scratch that TES itch
any roleplay/lore guilds that you have guys?
>>47991657
there was a /tgesg/ guild, but I have no idea what became of it.
What is the orcish afterlife?
>>47991507
I'm not trolling just very tired of Skyrim bashing with Morrowind nostalgia goggles on. Of course Skyrim has serious flaws such as civil war questline but there are flaws in every ES games.
I don't get the dumbed down mechanics argument either. Morrowind is a very easy game if you understand the mechanics and use them to your advantage. It was never a 'hardcore RPG' it was, what every ES game is, a casual sandbox RPG.I love Morrowind and play it to this day.
>>47991875
dumbed down mechanics are not about game being simple
it's about character creation freedom
>>47991657
Most RP guilds in morrowind are fine, although many players tend to focus on ERP. Expect lorebreaking mary sues, just in less frequency then everywhere else.
Skyrim is where people kicked out of morrowind guilds go, usually for being obnoxious snowflakes.
Shadowfen is both inactive and full of lorebreaking, disguisting ERP.
AD is SJW infected and prudish.
DC is inactive and worse then Skyrim for snowflakes that hate consequences.
Basically you -can- go, but expect to lose sanity points. Of course, there are good players in every place but the community is at the level you would expect for freeform RP. There is RP that doesn't suck but you have to look for it.
>>47991962
And how is that restricted in Skyrim? In my opinion you have roughly the same freedom.
>>47991875
Morrowind was much more of an RPG than Skyrim is. In Skyrim, you don't HAVE to choose a role, and it is encouraged for you to do everything. Skyrim has much more streamlined mechanics, but the lack of any real challenge in the game kept me from really enjoying it until modders tore it apart and reassembled it from the ground up. Morrowind, on the other hand, is much more challenging but still kept the sense of adventure. I don't want everything handed to me. I don't want to step off the cart and slay a demigod at level 3. Skyrim's main plot should've started at a much later level, and had some filler beforehand. You feel encouraged to pursue the plot as soon as possible, because it seems like a massive imminent danger will come crashing down on your head otherwise. I've still played the fuck out of it, but Morrowind is a better RPG and story.
>>47991730
A dumpster.Malacath's Ashpits.
>>47991657
I'm playing right now, and there was a guild, but I'm not in it.
>>47992052
I really hope you use Morrowloot Ultimate and Timing is Everything for Skyrim because they sound exactly like what you want. That, a combat mod, and Expert or Master difficulty
can someone explain the duality of Talos to me? how can someone be an aspect of both Aka and Lorkhan? aren't the two opposite in nature? and what about other dragonborn people are they all dual in nature as well?
>>47992048
perk system has potential to be superior but instead it is extremely restrictive because of how little of a perk variety there is and how weak most of the perks are
>>47992151
Akatosh and Lorkhan were originally the same being to an extent.
Lorkhan was the "Skin" while Akatosh was the "Body". It's not entirely a metaphor when it's said that Heart of Lorkhan and Red Mountain together with Adamantine tower trapped time and create linearity.
It might be that quite literally Heart of Lorkhan contains core of Akatosh.
But even ignoring all of that Talos was both a Shezzarine and a Dragonborn at the same time, if this is the case for all Dragonborn or not is up to a debate but seeing how ghost at the old Hroldan literally saw you as Talos, which means that he probably saw your soul, that would make at least two Dragonborn that are like that.
I'm from /ysg/, thanks guys for the discussion last thread.
