Why are Birdpeople underrepresented as a race in Traditional Games?
I dont know it is a real travesty. They seem to me like the least yiffy of all the hybrid races.
>>47923176
so its like other beast races and furfags ruined them for everyone?
Because having empty bones doesn't bode well for the average adventurer and even if they'd still be able to fly everyone could do that with magic, if we're talking about usual fantasy stuff.
>>47923162
>Small brains, don't even have cortex wrinkles, you're talking like 4 intelligence tops
>Hollow bones, man, thats like a huge Con penalty right there. Extra 5 damage from all bludgeoning sources.
>Smell bad, crap everywhere
Yeah, birds suck.
Cause RPGs are all about walking.
>>47923176
I think so man. Also Judging from the rest of the responses general dislike. I'm down with birdbro's though.
Rolled 10 (1d20)
>>47923213
This is one of the answers i might accept.
Of course you could say your race lost their ability to fly because Evolution.
Then again, Wizards and bullshit spells are a thing.
How useful is flying in classic dungeon crawling anyway?
Rolled 3 (1d20)
>>47923263
>>47923284
What are you even rolling, Friendo?
>>47923278
Pretty good for avoiding traps and combat. But a lot of races that fly ive seen either have to build up to it or it's gimped. Either way I would say it keeps pace with wizard fuckery.
>>47923299
Nothin at all just ah rollin.
Rolled 9 (1d20)
>>47923315
hey im fine with you bumping my thread with art
Rolled 12 (1d20)
>>47923335
Birdfolk powa
With or without wings, that is the question.
Rolled 3 (1d20)
Slightly edgy birdfolk reporting!
>>47923365
Either way works I say. Used to love the avian races from MtG.
>>47923191
>>47923204
>Not knowing shit about how bird bones work.
I expected better from you, /tg/.
>>47923365
they're much cooler with wings imo. if you have a whfb "empire" type alliance between the races they make cool scouts and aerial soldiers
Rolled 10 (1d20)
Would Owlbears be like their retarded cousins?
Tell me about these birdpeople.
If I shot their wings, would they still fly so good?
>>47923447
They're big guys.
>>47923162
Hollow bones.
>>47923437
More like mutated-retarded cousins. How about terror birds?
>>47923454
Seven vaganias.
Rolled 6 (1d20)
>>47923176
>least yiffy
Think I found the answer
>>47923457
Faithful attack dog type deal? They often frequent the bases of the birdfolk treetop city's.
dunno , maybe implementing a natural flight ability could cause problems in racial balance , or really hard to justify in game.
and without flight ability , they might lose a lot of what would define them.
i could see them being more similiar to emus and ostriches in anthropomorphised shape , but they would kinda lack a natural niche or something.
not saying i wont try some birb folk once , maybe give them more scouting and dex related traits instead of combat related ones
Rolled 2 (1d20)
>>47923204
>Small brains, don't even have cortex wrinkles
yet crows are highly intelligent.
Stop thinking only mamalian brains are effective
>>47923454
Yes just like some Dinosaurs. doesnt make them fragile.
i mean look at >>47923457
Also there are other "weaker" races like gnomes and halflings. Thats not really an excuse. Especially for magic users or dex-classes.
>>47923493
That would be cool make them quick as fuck and road runner like features.(not the cartoon but the real bird.)
>>47923519
Terror bird Calvary would be epic as fuck bruh.
>>47923365
Wings but no arms, or wings that have hands but not allow them to actually fly
>>47923514
if birds are so smart, how come they shit on my windshield and not in toilets?
checkmate
>>47923402
>>47923514
guys , i am pretty sure he was baiting.
Birds are assholes.
>>47923568
If I could, I'd shit on your windshield too
>>47923578
So are humans, but we play as them all the time.
Rolled 6 (1d20)
>>47923176
FurryTgquestschan says differently.
Rolled 12 (1d20)
>>47923204
Birds brains are actually extremely powerful for their size. Crows and ravens in particular are smarter than chimpanzees and dolphins. Their bones are also not really weaker than those of mammals of the same size, since they have a honeycombed structure that makes them lighter without major loss of structural integrity.
Interestingly, the hollow bones and air sacks in them aren't actually evolved for flight. Birds had them back when they were still called dinosaurs, and they're a major factor in allowing dinosaurs to grow far larger than any land-dwelling mammal. It just turns out the same adaptions can also be repurposed for flight.
>>47923578
show me a species that isnt
>>47923162
Here's a better question: Why wouldn't they be underrepresented as a race?
>>47923162
You just got shit taste in races bruh, just accept it.
Rolled 18 (1d20)
>>47923162
They are the only beast race playable in the newest edition of the most widespread roleplaying game, and have been a constant through the most well known card game as well. How is this "underrepresented"?
Rolled 3 (1d20)
>>47923278
Useful enough that the bird race of 5e are banned from organised play
>>47923692
Not that guy, but There's a live pigeon trapped in my chimney, slowly dying from dehydration and fatigue from it's constant escape attempts as it batters itself futilely against the walls trying to get an impossible angle from which it can fly straight vertically up and out of the shaft.
There are probably about six or seven other dead pigeons in there, maybe more, the fireplace is bricked up.
They usually live for three nights or so, at least before the noises stop.
I can't stop thinking about it because I'm sort of trapped indoors too; hayfever and social phobia being a killing combination; you're nervous, agitated, even outright paranoid, and your eyes itch and your nose runs and you hack and cough between every word.
I can't go outside, but staying here listening to an animal's death throes is hell.
Rolled 14 (1d20)
>>47923788
I uh
I'm not sure how this pertains to fantasy races anon
>>47923788
It's ok anon just breath and imagine their death throes as a sweet dirge that you too will sing soon.
>>47923788
>>47923788
this is how psychopaths are born
I feel I should play a tengu soon, I've played so many reptilian races lately that it's starting to become a running joke with my group.
>>47923568
I think we should be asking why we don't shit on the windshields of our enemies instead.
Sounds like birds have us outplayed there
>>47923984
Do it breh.What type of Tengu would you do?
>>47924009
Not sure, ravens look pretty cool but eagles and hawks are also nice.
But I'd probably go with Bearded Vulture. I think they look pretty cool and it's interesting that they wear red clay as makeup, staining their head feathers red. Whoever's the most magnificently red gets laid. I feel there's interesting cultural notes in there.
>>47924039
I like playing visually nonhuman races, be they animal people or fully original fantasy races, because I like playing around with the differences in culture and instinctive responses, makes them more interesting to play in my opinion.
>>47924039
sounds pretty neat maybe throw some native american flavor. Go ranger and track/slay the shit outta some stuff!
>>47923162
Bone density?
I dreamed last night a bird was swooping in to attack me so I punched it to death
Psychoanalyze me pls
>>47924094
It thought you were a cracker. which you are and you were fighting for your white privilege anon.
>>47924094
Last night I imagined I was cuddling and talked out loud to the darkness about how much I loved that person, and held a mostly muffled monologue about how I felt like nothing was wong in the world and how I'd like that moment to go on forever.
Psychoanalize me
>>47924057
Yeah that could work, or maybe a shaman angle, ritual 'facepaint' with the crest makeup and such. Full up on characters right now but I'll remember and give him a spin sometime.
May I have the strength to not made his backstory and culture too magical realmy.
>>47924119
Godspeed anon Godspeed.
>>47923788
>>47924119
>>47923568
Because they know that it annoys you.
That's literally it. Having handled birds of all sorts for literally my entire life, I can safely say that they are all, without a single exception, trolls.
If you want them to not chew on something, they'll pick up on that fact and double down on their chewing effort. Food intended for other birds (Or dogs, or humans) is more desirable to them, entirely because it's pilfered. They poop on opportunity targets because they know that what they poop on doesn't want to be pooped on.
>>47923788
>>47923162
Because aside from harpies people like them only slightly more than they do reverse centaur.
>>47924196
>>47923788
Holy shit, boy-o
Would birdfolk culture and mannerisms be sort of scary as shit? Imagine talking to an owlfolk and they just go full exorcist neck mid-convo.
>>47923788
have you tried, like, helping them out
>>47924242
He said the fireplace is bricked up, so the only way he could get to them would be from the top.
Unless he wanted to smash open his fireplace.
>>47924232
what's that thing they do where they move their neck around excessively but keep their head in place? you see owls do it?
that would be pretty freaky
>>47924232
owlfolk would be redneck bumpkins
after all they are some of the dumbest birds around
>>47924275
That makes them 10x more scary to me. Especially if they are stealthy spooky rednecks. Jesus Christ.
>>47924300
well stealthiness is one of the owl key traits
don't hear them coming, think you're just walking through some uninhabited woods then suddenly a dozen virtually identical eyes light up all around you
>You dun come to the wrong forest, hoot hoot
>>47924300
You hear banjo music and alien voices singing in a clearing up ahead. As you inch toward the source of the noise you see strangely shaped silhouettes dancing merrily. When you reach the clearing the music stops and all the owlfolk turn their heads sideways and screech in unison.
>>47923162
>Tengu
>Kenku
>Aarakocra
>Swanmay
Tell your GM to stop being lazy and include more irregular races.
>>47924337
that would freak me the fuck out, good job
>>47924275
They'd be idiot savant assassins
>>47924386
Thanks senpai.
>>47924387
So like you go into the deep woods to hire the crazy fucks? It's cheap relative to other agencies but they are batshit and spoopy.
>>47924365
Last time I heard of swanmay, they were on the same level as nymphs and fairies, not a playable race. That was back in AD&D, and I don't remember seeing them in any edition after that. Were they in 4th? I never really looked at 4th's races.
>>47924451
well there's probably this old ass owl grandma who rules over all her inbred little freaks and is willing to hire out one of her boys for the right price
>>47923401
>they make an okay tribal deck
>>47924499
Nice! I might actually work all this into a game. Really throw the players for a loop.
>>47924534
what sucks is that they actually don't
>>47923204
Crows can fly upside down to recognize faces
>>47923162
>I feel bird-folk fair better in higher levels, in early adventures, a bird could get OP, however, I'll admit I never thought of the lack of birds
>>47924534
>>47924551
Wouldn't that be like super old cards mostly?
>>47924572
well if flying is extremely hard while carrying your gear I could see it work out
same maybe with spellcasters being unable to cast most of their spells because they're using their wins to fly instead of casting spells
add some penalties related to their smaller size and weight ontop of that and I could see it balancing itself out in many a game type
>>47923402
Bird bones are weak as shit dude, there's no getting around that.
>>47923162
Flight avalible at low levels tends to break D&D.
>>47923365
Without.
>>47923278
See that thing with a melee weapon? Simply fly and throw rocks at it until it dies; it doesn't matter if it's an Orc or a Juggernaut, if it can't hit you you've already won the encounter and it's just a matter of how many dice you have to roll to slowly kill it.
>>47923653
Today I learned something.
>>47924882
Take your pick
>Depends on the setting
>Depends on the group
>Have you tried not playing D&D?
>>47923182
yep
>>47923204
>>Small brains, don't even have cortex wrinkles, you're talking like 4 intelligence tops
Somehow not a problem with lizardmen
>>Smell bad, crap everywhere
Just like you if you were still a monkey
>>47923655
Dogs, rats, bumble-bees
>>47925056
Dogs and rats fine. But Beeeeeeeez? nopenope nope
>>47923240
Owls are actually pretty retarded. Not the first case mythology has attributed wisdom to an animal that has none. Conversely, corvids and parrots are really, really smart.
>>47925082
Parrots are ruthless evil chucklefucks and I hate them.
>>47925103
One of my dads work friends has a parrot who's the nicest thing, bit of a troll though.
>>47925064
What about moths?
>>47923162
They aren't. They're in DnD 5e, for fuck's sake.
>>47925129
Moths are ok I used to patrol my house when I was little to make sure no one hurt my moth, granddaddy long leg,and cricket bros. My dad haaated crickets but still let them live for his weirdo son.
>>47925103
>parrots
>evil
Mine is calmed down by laundry. We'll come home and find him buried in the laundry room and he screams if he thinks that we aren't washing our clothes enough/doing it away from him.
>>47925680
See! What is it that evil bastard wants with your clothes??
>>47923176
Can't get any less yiffy than this
>>47925966
Anon that a reach around three fingers in the butt a message and table tennis at the same time. Dont play with me.
>>47923176
If you say so.
>>47926027
Dont see it senpai :/
>>47923162
Because they're harder to draw
>>47923457
Probably feared but used in heraldry or entertainment or very rarely as pets for the ultra-wealthy. Like most real-life predators.
I think it's honestly because, when most people think of animals they like, they think of cats and dogs. We can personify them and say they're expressionable even as animals, and everyone loves fuzzy cute pets. If it weren't for the fact that furries made the entire idea of playing animal race awkward, we would've had one of those years ago.
Birds aren't bad. But they aren't expressive facially, and they don't have as strong a place in fantasy to draw from to really make them as a race. Just about every other race in fantasy has been around for decades, or is related to something that's become a fantasy staple - dragonborn to dragons, tieflings to demons, ect.
>>47923568
DESIGNATED SHITTING WINDSHIELDS
>>47923568
lol
Best Bird Folk thread ever group hug!
>>47923162
Not not furry enough for furries, but they're too furry for non-furries.
>>47924252
It might be cathartic and perhaps help anon from the dark path of villainy he seems to be walking.
>>47925680
Maybe your parrot is just autistic or something?
>>47926312
As a furry, that's not really true.
I've only known two people who played a tengu, I just don't think they have enough exposure, especially when most people seem to want to play very humanoid races with one or two details changed.
>>47926382
>instead of going "tweet, tweet", the parrot goes "REEE, REEEE"
>>47923437
As much as ogres are retarded human cousins.
>>47923176
Beaks are not sexy.
>>47927830
So...Yes?
What's the name of the race of bird humanoids that have arms that don't fly? Tengu?
What's the name of the race of bird humanoid with "angel" wings on the back? Is this one the tengus?
>>47927880
This. There's only a few expressions that can be pulled off with a beak without seeming cartoonish, and there's no smiling or frowning.
>>47929324
what? owls frown just fine
>>47923240
>>47924924
I think that innate flight tends to be game warping no matter the setting or system. Sure, you can make a campaign that doesn't make it really powerful, but by definition is is warping your campaign.
>>47929404
That's not really a frown, though. That's just kind of a tilt of the head that sort of looks like an angry face. The face hasn't moved at all, you know?
>>47929470
Its a still image, not a gif or video, anon.
>>47929514
I'm not talking about the face moving as in a sequence of frames being moved through at a high enough speed to confuse the eye into thinking of it as movement - I'm talking about the face moving as in the way that forms recognizable expressions in humans, especially the movement of the lips and jaw.
>>47923635
But how did he put those pants and that necklace on?
>>47923788
Honestly I think that including any type of bird accurately is going to end up in severe party balance. Flying is ridiculously powerful, and it's hard to balance it out. There's no reason they'd be scrawnier (their bones are fairly strong given the light weight), many birds are incredibly intelligent, so neither of those would work. Ranged attacks from above are just killer.
>>47923162
So much unscientific bird bullshit in this thread....
>>47923788
If the fire place is bricked up anyways, go and seal the top of the chimney you fucking idiot.
These birds are dying and it's your fault for not taking preventative action.
>>47923299
when I was a kid, I thought that penguin knight's shoulder pauldrons were hamburgers on his card.
>>47934697
Yup.
>>47934608
>Flying is ridiculously powerful, and it's hard to balance it out.
How is it ridiculously powerful? And how much of what makes it powerful can be mitigated by designing encounters around the presence of somebody with flight in the party?
>>47923162
> ENIGMATIC SPACEFARERS DETECTED
> HOSTILE TARGETS ENGAGED
>>47938010
the need to design encounters specifically around flight means it is powerful. Some challenges are simply obsolete if you have a guy who can fly over it/move freely in three dimensions
>>47923176
>>47923162
> least yiffy
Nah.
>>47929906
Owls are the Cats of the Sky
>>47924551
Derevi's okay if you want to make Bird/Wizard Tribal for EDH.
>>47923162
I always view lizard people as being from the same stock as birds.
>>47923162
>cloaca
>>47923365
Why the hell would you want a birdman that doesn't have wings? Isn't that missing the point? I don't think a wingless bird race for an RPG would ever get off the ground.
>>47938356
>Hissho
Scholar and fellow gentleman.
>>47923788
>>47923788
This happened once to a seagull at my house.
It lasted almost a week.
Tried helping it, but the way our chimney is built, you can't really reach up into the chimney.
Can confirm that the noise is distressing, and gets on your nerves.
>>47938047
>the need to design encounters specifically around flight means it is powerful
So having to design encounters around the capabilities of the party is too much like hard work? No fucking shit, you've got to take into account the fact a party member can fly, but you probably want to take into account the shit the party can do anyway. Some challenges are obsolete if you've got a cleric, a wizard, a druid, a street samurai, or whatever.
>>47923877
>>47938373
>I don't think a wingless bird race for an RPG would ever get off the ground.
Topkek, I see what you did there.
>>47923788
Goddamn put a cover on it or something. Something a stupid pigeon can't squeeze its way past.
>>47926166
>>47923162
The other (big) one imo other than lack of emotional connection to humans, is the fact that bird people would be able to fly, which fucks your campaign for characters who aren't birds. ("Fuck the rest of you, I'll just fly over this wall myself.")
It also poses a difficult question of how they would dress - it can't be like people, because that would likely cover up the wings and body/tail/whatever feathers they would need to fly. So you'd have to come up with new charts and mechanics for armour and shit, in theory.
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>>47923162
>birds
utterly plebeian
>>47938777
>"Fuck the rest of you, I'll just fly over this wall myself."
"...and you get a bunch of arrows for your trouble."
I mean, what's to stop dickbag players splitting up the party anyway? Literally any player character can go "I'm going to split myself from the rest of the party", and have a reasonable excuse as to why it's the best thing to do. If a player using an ability to be a dick is a reason not to have that thing in the game, then there's going to be nothing in the game, because somebody who is going to be a dick is going to be a dick. That's why the way to solve problems with players isn't to try and fuck around with their characters, because the problem isn't the character, it's the person playing it.
So what if the flying guy flies up, peeks their head over the wall, makes sure there are no sentries there, and then helps tie a rope so the rest of the party can scale the wall? What if the character with flight was actually integrated into the party?
It's so funny being a furry and laughing at the ignorant /tg/ers who think there isn't that much bird porn. It's just that the shitposters don't use it for trolling 4chan.
Its also hilarious how utterly ignorant of bird races in traditional games they are. Aarakocra and kenku/tengu have existed as bird races since AD&D 1e. Every edition of D&D, aka the originator of the entire hobby, has had at least one playable bird race, and often several enemy ones. Glorantha has those stupid fucking ducks. There are a fuckton of bird races in every part of Geekdom.
Incidentally, this thread reinforces the pattern I've noticed that most fa/tg/uys are fucking morons when it comes to knowing anything. They only have a grade schoolers understanding of various animals and operate pretty much on very simplistic stereotypes about animals when it comes to their humanoid versions. Birds have wings and "hollow bones", therefore bird people will have wings and break their bones really easy.
More than likely a bird race is going to look like the PF Tengu, having scaled hands and feathered arms with no wings. Their bones are going to be just as strong as other humanoid races, as non flying birds such as the terror bird show in their bones.The reason for this that wings require the entire upper body to work, and that upper body is going to be very different from a humanoid body. You want wings? Go get some magic, aka be a half fiend/celestial, be blessed by a god, use a spell, whatever.
>>47939222
>More than likely a bird race is going to look like the PF Tengu, having scaled hands and feathered arms with no wings
More than likely a bird race will look however the fuck the creator wants them to look because the idea of humanoid birds is ridiculous bullshit to begin with
>>47938010
>how is vastly increased mobility powerful
Not just in skirmishes, but for an army it has terrifying implications. You'd have to warp an entire setting to accomodate the presence of a species that can literally fucking fly.
>>47939222
>I'm a proud furry intelligentsia
Opinion disregarded.
>>47925056
>Dogs
Ferals
>Rats
Rapists
>bees
Overprotective dickweeds
IM JUST WALKING HERE YOU FAGGOTS
>>47923788
>>47939562
Most bees won't bother you if you simply walk by them.
Killer bees are a mistake born from the hubris of mankind and exist to remind us of our failings
>>47939495
You're a dog who can't read, what does your opinion matter?
>>47938779
saved
>>47939222
Nah, I can see a flying bird race. You just need to make them use their feet for utility use like crows. When it fights, it just shortly flies toward the enemy and rises his weapon or wathever at the enemy. imagine a charging giant parrot thing with a long lance trying to impale a land dweller, or one handling a hook that he uses to disarm the enemy. Weak bones can be helped by the simply fact of not being hit. They dont even need to be anthropomorphic, think legend of the guardians.
>>47939441
>You'd have to warp an entire setting to accomodate the presence of a species that can literally fucking fly.
Halflings and giants and wizards seem to do just fine.
>>47923162
VOX PLS GO
>>47923788
>>47938467
Why didn´t you just light the fireplace so they just choke and die?
>>47929249
Tengus do have wings, you are thinking about Kenkus
Because nobody wants to think about cloaca when they have sex.
Time ago I saw an idea for a race.
Females were Harpies and males were tengu.
Both comunities lived separately and met only during the mating season.
>>47923176
heh
>>47923556
may as well point out a neat compromise while i'm posting medli
wind waker's burd people, the rito, have arms that can turn into wings at-will
i have no idea how that works biologically, but it can always be chalked up to 'it's magic i ain't gotta explain shit'
>>47923162
Because the strategical implications of highly organized flying humanoids are a pain in the ass to figure out and implement in a setting.
>>47947172
Sauce on pic?
>>47947231
>>47939441
it seems like a cop-out to basically go 'i don't really want to think much on this'
there's a few interesting ways you can spin it, like small communities of bird-people being used as scouts and skirmishers in larger armies and civilisations.
>>47929418
having a fucking spellcaster is 'warping your campaign' already
but it doesn't seem like something that'd be too hard to balance against - sure, you're not going to be able to present a big pit and go 'now get across it', but then again the flying player still needs to bring the rest of the party with him somehow
but maybe it doesn't seem hard to me because i play systems like GURPS, where point limits can make characters pretty specialised - so having flight requires you to put a good chunk of points into both flight, and being able to control yourself well while flying (aerobatics skill rolls to do tight turns, for instance, and flight skill rolls for endurance flying) with neat little limitations like having to have enough space for your wingspan to start flying, or being able to take a limitation that prevents you from hovering while flying, or only being able to glide, and so on
alongside that, a flying character is a big target - for example, a few archers popping arrows off at them have a good chance of hitting them and potentially crippling a wing, dropping them out of the sky. you can't exactly get any cover from being in the air, after all, and moving fast will only get you so far
so overall it's a little more balanced than something like D&D, where a flying character might just have free reign and not have to worry about anything like wingspan, cover, or even taking hits to the wings. that said, i'm not too familiar with D&D flight rules.
>>47947275
already posted a name in that post to look into
good luck
>>47947554
>there's a few interesting ways you can spin it, like small communities of bird-people being used as scouts and skirmishers in larger armies and civilisations.
Just turning them into a niche role in a more mundane society seems like a cop-out, if anything.
>>47947668
>it's more of a copout to work it into the setting in some way than to forget about it entirely
well okay
either way, it's not like they're going to be dominating the setting and having that massive of an effect that you need to revolutionise how the setting works, unless you want to make them one of the key races - which is rare for the more monstrous/animalistic races in most RPG settings anyway
but you don't have to come up with every societal and technological impact of every species' abilities anyway, or else you'd be spending all day wondering how the fuck to handle magic, for one
sometimes just the small, localized details are enough for the players - like having a courier drop out of the sky to deliver their mail
>>47944833
It's bricked over you goddamn tool, do people not understand what that means?
There's a distinct lack of best bird...
>>47923162
Because none of the other player races fly, and so a flying race is mechanically inconvenient.
>>47923514
I watched this tiny little bird drop a piece of shiny trash on some pigeons today. They scattered when it caught their eye, and the little dude scooped up the little roll they were fighting over and flew up between the pigeon-proof spikes.
I fucking love birds.
>>47942756
>legend of the guardians
>not guardians of ga'hoole
How about a race that's half-way between birds and lizards?
>>47923514
But so far there's no competition to the mammalian brain. Except for computers made by a mammalian brain
>>47937611
> shoulder pauldrons
hand gloves
foot boots
head helmets
chest breastplates
>>47923788
>>47924232
1 word:
ShrikesNow two wordsChef Ramsey
>>47938373
>>47949947
Vulturefolk. Bestfolk.
>>47949990
There's no competition to the HUMAN brain. Taking humans out of the equation, Avian and Cephalopod brains are a lot better at problem solving and tool use than even most other primates.
It's why, alongside dogs, birds are one of the few animals we've trained to help us with problems - hunting, usually, but it's a problem solving skill regardless. They're smart enough to understand that we've got an arrangement with them, and everyone eats better if they listen.
>>47925966
That's what you think
>>47923162
Because people like to think of bird-creatures as mounts, pets or food, not as sentient races.
Which is a shame, since many avians are damn clever creatures and can mimic sounds well (ie. are very likely cabable of speech of some sort).
