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Post about X-Wing, Armada, FFG's Star Wars RPGs, d6, d20 (Saga), movies, shows, books, comics, vidya, lego, lore and everything else Star Wars related

Previous Thread: >>47841122

Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada Miniatures Games
>http://pastebin.com/Wca6HvBB

Fantasy Flight Games’ Star Wars RPG System (EotE/AoR/FaD)
>http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6
>https://mega.nz/#!DkNTDTyZ!PUupCOep4RmRcsgI3rNhU_Pk_xcyFbYWnhrq8gwrVv0

Other Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars Tabletop (Imperial Assault and the Star Wars LCG)
>http://pastebin.com/ZkpXpbJ1

Fantasy Flight Games Dice App (Works with X-Wing, Armada, the Star Wars RPG system and Imperial Assault)
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/64xy3uy6vepll8v/com.fantasyflightgames.swdice.ver.1.1.4.build.9.apk

Older Star Wars Tabletop (d6, d20/Saga, etc.)
>http://pastebin.com/wXP0LdyJ

Reference Materials & Misc. Resources
>http://pastebin.com/AGFFkSin

All Canon Novels and Comics (via /co/)
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!2R5kDTqQ!WfrDla-jvDIn05U57T9hhQ

Just What IS Canon Anyways?
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media

The Clone Wars Viewing Guide
>http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1442/36/1442364889994.png

Writefaggotry
>http://pastebin.com/cJY5FK9T

Shipfag's hangar
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByhAdnTlOKOeQnA4SFByUC1aQWM&usp=sharing
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First for Dass
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>>47917630
Second for Dash
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>>47917648
Wait.
Fuck.
Wrong Dash.
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>>47917648
>literally a Dash Render
fuck
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How's my Dash build?
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>>47917671
>taking a photo of the screen
You forgot a tab of "gay sex with hats on"
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>>47917671
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>>47917671
Anon, why did you take a picture of your laptop instead of screencapping?
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>>47917671
>Push the limit, no Engine upgrade
Rubbish

>X-wing and A-wing low PS pilots
It's better to run a single, high PS ace in this sort of build. Corran Horn, Wedge Antilles, Jake or Tycho... something like that tends to survive better.

Also
>Taking a picture of the laptop, rather than a link or screenshot
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First for Black Sun is Best Sun!
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>>47917671
Sideways
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>>47917699
Too lazy
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>>47918053
it takes more effort to take the picture
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>>47917780
Second for Ren is Worst Son!
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>>47917559
Actually it would be fucking useless as adamantium claws already do nearly the same. Except you know, he wouldn't be able to deflect shots or win any dual vs a random guy with a lightsaber because of the 42" reach difference.

>>47917671
Is this real ? Obviously a troll, I can't believe it.
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>>47917671
Nobody will answer that shit.
Do it like everyone else
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>>47920160
Kylo Ren was cool because he wasn't cool. He was the best depiction of a tryhard teenager I've ever seen.
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>>47920321
Yep for sure, its a decent take on a baddie on the way down to becoming completely damned.
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https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!86:18,73:7:15:U.27;6:0,126,58,69:-1:25:;47:-1,135,75:3:6:&sn=Scrub%20List%20MK1
How's this look? Trying to build my first lists on my own and this seemed good.
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>>47920321
He was fucking thirty

I could understand Anakin because he was nineteen

Ren was fucking thirty and he didn't know how to talk to girls
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>>47921990
>Ren was fucking thirty and he didn't know how to talk to girls
Sounds like he'd be right at home here, then.
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Just ordered my first X-wing minis. How do you usually transport your stuff, /tg/? Some models looks like they'd break rather easily.
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>>47922636
I just use the box they come with
It is as tedious as it sounds, but there isn't much x wing acitivity where i live, so it really isn't a hassle
Most people use cases though
They briefly discussed some a few threads ago
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>>47921990
Sounds about right. I mean, there's a prominent editor in the Superman office at DC who's like 40 or something who can't get his mind around the fact that you don't fucking touch people who don't want you to touch them.
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So for an upcoming game of Age of Rebellion, I've decided to play a force-sensitive mechanic. However, the rest of my party is either combat classes or a grumpy old Doctor, none of which have much in the way of speaking. Should I eventually multiclass into something more talkative to help fill this void?
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Hey, does anyone here want to do either of these drawing requests? Im going to post in the /tg/ drawthread too, but I figured I would ask here first.

1.A battle droid (or multiple) that has a green circle in the center of its chest like a commander, and black shoulders and lower chest like the security droids.

2. a lucrehulk droid control ship with the command sphere removed and in its place what looks like a hammerhead command deck. The coloration of the whole stations is similar to the paint job they had in the clone wars animated series, but in place of the blue it should be black, and there should be no visible CIS symbol.

Both are owned by a gang of pretty organized pirates during the rise of the empire, or I guess what nu canon is calling "The dark times" (which I think is a fine name).

Anyway, thanks a bunch in advanced guys, you are the bomb.
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>>47922636
I used the little plastic cases they come in, for a while. But I'm also a miniature painter, and so I like to do little customized paintjobs, or cleanup detail work, or conversions. So I empties one of my pluck-foam miniature cases (LGS sells the pluck foam trays for about $10 a piece), and I use that. It's kind of funny to have "The Waaagh!" bag filled with X-Wing miniatures.
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>>47922636
I have a plano tackle box and it has worked super well for me.
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>>47925126
You don't have to right away, at the start roleplay and some luck will get you through the conversations easily.
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>>47925594
I wasn't planning on it right away, this was something I would consider 5+ sessions in, if I do it.
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Top Gear updated with our newest Star in a Reasonably-Priced Fighter, Poe Dameron. Still rusty as fuck, not helped by my rather tight personal schedule at the moment, so please do point out errors, typos, etc.
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>>47926070

Does it ever feel weird that your version of Top Gear has actually managed to outlast the actual Top Gear?
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>>47926361
Not really, no. I've only been doing this for a very short time with unreasonably long delays and an irregular schedule, so "outlast" would be giving me too much credit. Now, if I'd started SWTG all the way back in the early 2000s with strict weekly updates, sure, it would feel weird as hell.
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>>47922636
I use one of these. https://www.amazon.com/Plano-Molding-5231-Organizer-Porsche/dp/B000HJ9514/ref=pd_nav_hcs_bia_t_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=JNKYXVRVDTQTTW0T0A2D
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Trying to run an EotE campaign on Roll20.

Where can I find the API/Script settings? The tutorial for the character sheets is telling me to access it, but I can't for the life of me find out where it is.
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Playing a Gunslinger in an upcoming EotE game.

Give me your best gunslinger hats
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>>47928478
Makes you immune to any Dark or Light Side nonsense.
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>>47928478
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>>47928050
Don't know where they are, I'm sure you can google it and a guide will show up. If you can't find it still, it might just be because you're not paying the subscription for API access.
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>>47928851
Ah yeah, turns out you need to pay $10 a month to even get access.

That sucks, guess I'll have to get all the custom dice working with rolling tables and all that.
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>>47917611
I've played Kotor 1 and 2, but I still don't understand Attribute and Skill Systems, or the d20 system.
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>>47928876
If you don't mind using Google Hangouts, you can use it to load up both Roll20 and this dice roller: http://game2.ca/eote/
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>>47928962
Oh wow, cheers mate that's really helpful.
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>>47917671
Fucked sideways.
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>>47928962
Does it work pretty well? I've been curious about it in the past but I'm not sure if I'd miss the screen real estate so I havent tried EOTE with my roll20 group
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>>47929850
Works well, only issues I've had is that sometimes (usually like every 3rd or 4th session) a player will roll but it won't register/be seen by the other players, but it's resolved pretty easily with them just closing the dice rolling extension and then re-opening it.
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>>47928478
I'll see your hat and raise you a moustache
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>>47930141
>mustache

Oh man I really wanted to play a Nikto but I'm not sure if it's worth missing out on the facial hair.
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>>47926070
>>47926492
I should be mad about that Rick Flair joke, but I'm glad to see you put Poe into your 'continuity'.

Also, I just kinda wanted to pimp some stories that I really like which are about First Order Stormies and learning not to be slaves in all but name.

The Story of Finn
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5594782/chapters/12891928
>The only thing Stormtroopers own are stories.

Tomorrow (there'll be more of us)
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5648131
>The resistance is starting to get stormtrooper defectors. Finn helps them out.

Unfortunately, a lot of authors are more keen to give a sort of teaser quote in the description instead of an actual synopsis or summary or what-have-you, so I've actually used the last line of each of their descriptions.

BUT, that doesn't mean these stories are bad, I think they're quite good and maybe, just maybe, people who want to talk about Clones and personhood can also take some inspiration from this.

Thanks. Also, I know I've been ghosting, but I'm just not feeling the badfic right now, I'm trying to work on my own projects and I'm also GMing a Shadowrun game, so my schedule's pretty full with the addition of summer classes.
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>>47930980
>posting fanfics he enjoys

Questy bad fanfic is your cross to bear!
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>>47930592
Give him a flappy bit on his upper lip.
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>>47930592
Have him get a mustache tattoo.
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>>47931892
>>47932180
Would this be too heretical for my Nikto Gunslinger? Trying to break the cowboy hat mold a bit.
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>>47932610
He'd come across as more of a biker then.
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>>47932610
>mfw I am a biker who wears one of those or a cowboy hat

Thats just sexy, get a swoop so you can have a steel horse.
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>>47930980
First story was excellent, second one was campy/fanficy but still kind of good.
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>>47930980
>>47934163

The second one struck me as not entirely serious but still rather touching.
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>>47920738
Flechettes aren't too useful, from my point of view. A regen droid on a y-wing is interesting, however I would rethink what you're doing with him. You need to use Kyle's ability constantly in order to regen, leaving your target locks for torpedoes. If Kyle is nowhere near or dies, you have to choose one or the other.

Kyle is useful with jan, but without recon specialist, you aren't getting the most out of the moldy crow.

The synergy is there, but there's an obvious chink in your armor once Kyle bites it.
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>>47933287
>>47933521
Isn't it strange how the vibe of a character can be made by the hat he wears?
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>>47935012
Nope.
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Help me cast Jan Ors.

Not the bitch from Rogue One, I'd like an actual asian
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>>47935354
No idea, so I'm going to say Rinko Kikuchi.
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>>47935416

Eh, I dunno, maybe.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls070416772/
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>>47935354
Hmm

...Elodie Yung?
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>>47935354
fuck you chink. Rogue one Jan Ors BEST Jan Ors
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Attention/swg/:
BREXIT BREXIT BREXIT
That is all.
We now return to your regularly scheduled thread
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Gank with Body 5 can have 8 cybernetics (2 more than a Droid, an actual mechanical being). Plug in those repulsor arms and go Pacific Rim on people.
But what specializations/talents would you pick with that? What does Body do outside of combat except the occasional Resilience test? How can this guy contribute in space combat?
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>>47938669
>Body
Brawn? It increases your wound treshold and your soak too. Having 5 brawn and a decent armor makes you FUCKING INVINCIBLE.
Skillwise, it's associated with Athletics, Resilience, some combat skills and some other ones I can't remember right now.

Ganks still have 2 in Agility so they can always be a backup gunner and their affinity with cybernetics also tends to make them good mechanics and repairmen.
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>>47938669
Well, players quickly realise they can't do everything, however it also means being a 1-trick pony like in D&D was fine it doesn't work in Star Wars.
So he needs to have a bit of a secondary role and I reckon Bounty Hunter- Gadgeteer might be a good start by having some mechanical ability as well which is always useful on a space ship.

Its taken a while, but even my dense as fuck PC's have figured you can beat a lot of people up just by yelling at them, having sick merchant skills will actually get them the shit they want/need and running around in a technological setting without a 'Computer' skill to be seen is kind of like being kicked in the balls... every day
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>>47937614
Yes, that's a thing that happened. Well done.
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>>47918053
>Too lazy

>Takes path of most resistance

Put your helmet back on and try not to burn your mouth on the tendies your mommy just made you.
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>>47940253
>Hard walker
>Cold walker
>Giant block of steel
>Happy walker
>Stompy walker
>Kill, kill, kill
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Anybody know the species of this guy?
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>>47935354
Grace Park, maybe?
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>>47941062
You cannot know the power of the cute side, my little green text friend
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>>47937614
Woo, Great Britain fucked itself and the rest of the world for god knows how long! Great job!
Also, GB's probably gonna tear itself apart cause N Ireland didn't want to leave and neither did Scotland.
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>>47934163
>>47934395
>>47931190
I've posted stuff I liked before.

And speaking of stuff I liked, have another FO Stormtrooper fic.

YV-4209
http://archiveofourown.org/works/6870118
>There are children. Leia has always known this, but even so, having the direct proof of it in front of her tears at her heart. The children never had a choice. (She wonders if any of them had a choice.) She wants to give them a choice, and a tomorrow. She is not alone.
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>>47941785
>YV-4209
Does shipfag have a stat block for that one?
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>>47941062
>>47940253
>Big Bang Theory
Kill yourselves.
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Alright, so I have the opportunity to fly the new Imperial veterans as a test flight against one of our store champions. I've doodled around with a couple of builds, and have settled down on two extremely similar lists.

Scimitar Squadron bomber with tie shuttle and Fleet officer. Then two glaive squadron Pilots with tie/d, ion cannon and either predator or ruthlessness.

What would you pick?
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>>47942136
Also I have the mark 2 engine on the shuttle for extra green
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>>47928478
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>>47941411
Nikto? Maybe?
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>>47942136
Predator is more reliable, Ruthlessness is more variable.
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>>47942173
>Revolver with a barrel that runs from the middle of the cylinder

What the actual fuck?
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>>47928478
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>>47942411
Lol
It's not a barrel
It's a sight
Notice how the iron sight is lined up with it?
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>>47942858
He's not talking about the sight, dumbfuck. He's talking about how the barrel doesn't line up with any of the chambers.
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>>47942398
I see that, especially with focuses from the fleet officer. My problem with it is if I'm already getting focuses, I can use my action for target locks. This makes predator fairly redundant. I've also been looking for an excuse to use multiple instances of ruthlessness.

My secret wish is an imperial ship with a turret slot. Tlts with ruthlessness would be devastating.
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>>47943138
You could always use multiple focus for defense, or for double modifying both attacks. Plus you can always barrel roll.

I think Predator is the more consistent choice, but Ruthlessness is more fun.
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>>47941411
>>47942363

>image.jpg

Firstly, die.

Secondly, he appeared only once in >>47917630 this handsome son of a bitch's comic and has no defined species. I looked him up. He's just an unidentified four-horned alien.
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>>47944448
>Firstly, die

Probably just took a cap on his phone m8. Settle down.
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>>47944576

>He literally actually doesn't know the meme

Oh, you sweet summer child.
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>>47943360
Ill try both out and see which I like better. I've always had a problem with swarms if I wasn't flying one, but big ships are easy to get into R1 of. So ruthlessness is very much a threat to myself as well as my opponent.
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>>47921990

So that's how he got his force powers...
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Spacebump
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I keep changing my mind as to whether or not I'll be getting the ARC-170. Should I just wait until Thane and Braylen's abilities and the new upgrades are revealed?
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>>47946512
Im getting it because I want to have at least one of every ship
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>>47946512
If you like the older ships (like the Y-Wing), and liked the ship at all in RotS, then get it. Or just get it for the Vectored Thruster, if they end up with a decent point cost.
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>>47923817
Huh?
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>>47945104
It does make you wonder about Palpatine...
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>>47946606
My favorite ship to use is the T-70. I'm actually most excited for Thane being playable, but if I don't like his ability (like Norra's), I'll pass.
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>>47946608
DC Editor Eddie Berganza is "allegedly" infamous for, among other things
>sexually assaulting female talent
>sexually assaulting the girlfriends of the male talent, including "allegedly" putting his tongue down a woman's throat
>"allegedly" being the reason Dan DiDio banned women from the Superman office, despite it being the stepping stone in a successful comics career at DC
>many women have left DC because DC refuses to do anything about an "alleged" sexual harasser
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I'm making a character for Edge of the Empire and I am just wondering if I could make my obligation an obsession with tinkering/upgrading devices and organisms as I am a cybernetics technician, or is that too vague and hard to DM for?
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>>47947127
That sounds more like a motivation to me. But if you are constantly trying to experiment on people against their will or steal/waste all money stuff to upgrade I could see it work. You've just got to come up with a reason why it's a challenge rather than just something you are into.
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>>47947256
make it a compulsive need to "fix" everyone and everything around you, whether they want you to or not.
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>>47947256
>>47947365
Also, hold back at actually doing unrequested modifications on other player characters. that way lies Kender territory

Doesn't mean you can't suggest it constantly, though.

Hired gun sprains his ankle during a firefight? "Hey, did you know I can install some hydraulics in there to keep it from happening again. Also, you'll be able to jump 2 meters if you let me do the other ankle. No rush, just leaving the offer out there. Don't be afraid to ask questions."
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>>47935354

If we wanna make parallels, having Katiness' actor is a good choice since both were chosen as the face of a bloodthirsty rebellion who cared little about the plight of others as Kat was chosen as the icon of the Mockingjay rebellion and Jan's name was used for the terrorist faction who actively targeted civilians to persuade them to give up on the Empire on protecting them
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>>47947614
Unfortunately we are no longer allowed to show Jennifer Lawrence in a position of danger.

The management appreciates your cooperation.
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>>47947127
Your Motivation is tinkering and fucking with stuff like a mad scientist

Your Obligation is that you HAVE and now they're pissed with you for tinkering and fucking with stuff, like for example you might have been hired by a Hutt to upgrade some of his footsoldiers and now there's a couple of hundred combat-enhanced psychos out there looking to murder both you, the Hutt and he'd like you to un-fuck this situation asap.
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Swoopbump
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>>47928811
Overwatch confirmed for Star Wars
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>>47928811

C'mon guys, I know the heroes are supposed to when, but at least one of you can hit the target less than 40 feet away.
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I've been having a pretty good time with this squad.
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>>47947127
The twin guidelines I've always used are respectively the Tam's situation in firefly for external obligation, and alcoholism for internal obligation. Like, if it isn't as common and serious as a drunk's need for booze, it's not enough to be an obligation
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If I'm playing as a trandoshan, could my obilgation be the Scorekeeper, Jagannath Points and honorable hunt shenanigans that is the trandoshan religion?
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>>47947698
It's poor form to have a billboard for a movie showing anyone getting strangled by anyone.

"X-Men... That looks like one of them deviant bondage films... Keep driving Earl, we're late to prayer group."
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>>47951037

Yeah, take the Religious or Spiritual one.
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>>47951037
Yeah, that'd work pretty damn well.
Works even better if your character has anything resembling moral scruple, so as he gets into situations where it's a question of doing the Right Thing or getting points. Those are always interesting
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if I have 3 warden squadron k-wings should I go with turret upgrades or torps? I like miranda doni but I just feel the points are better spent on bigger guns
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>The Ghost Crew left you behind
>They found your helmet, but you could not scream, webbing was over your mouth
>You heard blasters and lightsabers and had such hope
>But then they just left, leading the creatures away
>You struggled, but in time, they returned, and you were all that was left
>You struggled and screamed in muffled bursts of despair as the white knobby spiders approached you
>You thought they were going to eat you
>But your fate is much worse than that
>You struggled to no avail as one of them shredded your pilot's suit, exposing you
>It reared backwards, and a disgusting appendage appeared from beneath
>Soon enough, it was inside of you, probing into depths no alien monster should probe
>You screamed as it slid inside, stretching and filling you completely
>Then, you felt contractions along its surface as things, eggs, were pushed inside
>You screamed as you could feel the surface of each egg being deposited within you
>Having lost count around five, you passed out
>When you awoke, your stomach was bloated and full, seemingly ready to burst
>One of the creatures fed you by forcing its mouth onto your own and regurgitating a thick paste
>It is awful but it keeps you alive
>After time unknown, you felt your belly rumbling and pain shot through you
>This is it, you hoped, the end of your nightmare
>But it wasn't
>The young ones slipped out and crawled away, scuttling into small holes
>Soon enough there were no more
>And the big ones came back
>You didn't scream this time as it mounted up and filled you with eggs
>Now, as you sit with your third, or is it fourth, egg filling, your mind is blank
>This is your life now
>The galaxy, the Empire, the rebellion, all distant memories
>This is your life now
>This is...
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>>47954586
Go with bombs. Low PS ships have a hard time getting locks, so focus on Advanced SLAM and Conner/Prox with Sabine to dump damage on ships before they even move. Throw in autoblaster turrets to help with high agility ships since lower agility can get worked down by your primary turret.
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anyone know how First order naming/numbering works? What do the first two letters, (FN and TK have been seen so far, according to the wook) mean, and how are they chosen?
I get that the numbers at the end are pretty much just a serial number, but it's the beginning two characters I'm curious about.
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>>47955352
The Wook doesn't have any info for either nucanon or Legends, as far as I know. Even the number of digits and letters is inconsistent and dependent on the author. I just assume for normal, non-reference names, one of two options:
>Start at AA-001 and work your way down, possibly reusing the designations of deceased/discharged troopers
>Someone in HR generates a randomized alphanumeric sequence and calls it a day

Designations like JB-007 and THX-1138 are obviously meant to be pop culture references and thus, unreliable indicators of naming trends.
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>>47955237

bombs sounds like fun and I have sabine but where do I get prox mines? I only have cluster, seismic and conner types
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Do we have any SWGEmu players here? Kind of thinking about trying it out but I want some opinions on it.
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>>47957160
>tfw want to play musician
>but it would take literally hours of just mashing function keys before I'd even get to a point where I had a decent amount of instruments or songs usable
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>Jadza Tulo
Good name for my Imperial waif.... I mean character??
._.!
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>>47958130

Adzara Talo sounds better personally.
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>>47958252
hey nice, thanks
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>>47917669
underrated post
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>>84033461
Does anyone else think that Star Wars is kinda... repetitive?

I love the universe, but I don't like how technology, aesthetics and fashion never change through the course of thousands of years.

It's also exhausting to put up with the Jedi being ethnically cleansed every 200 years, or have the Empire and Republic play tug-o-war constantly. It's like it doesn't matter whether or not the heroes save the day or if evil takes over, because, within the next century, the other side is going to come out on top, like two kids fighting for the passenger seat in a car.

Asked the same question on /co/, they pretended non of that exists and completely gave themselves to the Disney Canon.
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>>47959929
Part of the appeal of Tales of the Jedi is the radically different art style from the movies.

KOTOR and Legacy Era's similarities in design and political situation are irritating for that reason The current First Order/Resistance status quo has the same problem I generally prefer to stick to Galactic Civil War stuff.
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Han Solo at Stars' End is pure pulp goodness. Its short, fast, and whips from action scene to action scene without any fat.

Before Yavin, Han & Chewie are bumming around the Corporate Sector, doing odd jobs and trying to stay ahead of the law. They get hired on to help find a feisty outlaw tech's missing father and get wrapped up in a larger scale conspiracy that leads to a secret CSA prison at the edge of the galaxy known as Stars' End.

Every set piece is memorable. Han & Chewie paying back Ploovo Two-For-One, the kickass dogfight between swing-wing Z-95 headhunters and Authority IRDs, the escape from the agriworld Orron III using a reprogrammed harvester droid, and the entire sequence at Stars' End culminating in Han blasting the entire tower into near-orbit is awesome.

Characters are good. Han & Chewie are spot-on. Jessa a cutie tech/pilot, the Atuarre the Trianni Ranger looking for her mate is great, Rekkon the wise black man is suitably likable so that his death has impact, and the real stars are Brobots supreme, Bollux and Blue Max. Seriously, they're great.

Like Scum & Villainy? Want to run Edge of the Empire? Read this. Top Fucking Tier that stands with the Holy Trinity of Zahn, Stackpole and Allston.

Also, Han spaces a guy from the Falcon's airlock while in hyperspace. Stone cold.
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>>47960064
fucking yes. is there an audiobook?
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>>47960132
Nothing that I can reliably find confirmation of, sadly. The entire trilogy is super short, though. Around 500 pages for all three.

There's also the comic adaptation of Stars' End, but it cuts out a lot of stuff from an already short book.
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>>47960064
I've always thought that the Han Solo Adventures should be mandatory reading for EoTE GMs
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>>47960406
Well, considering I'm re-reading all of pre-NJO Legends at the moment, I might as well assemble a suggested tier list by the end.

Currently:

Essential Tier
Thrawn Trilogy
The Han Solo Adventures

Recommended Tier
The Truce at Bakura

Optional Tier
Splinter of the Mind's Eye

Shit Tier
Dark Empire I

Jedi PrinceTier
Dark Empire I
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>>47960713
What's next on the list for reviewing?
I've been enjoying these so far
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>>47959929
>>47960018

Star Wars has an incredibly iconic sense of aesthetics coupled with archetypal yet compelling characters/plot that together creates something familar yet unique.

The problem is that all those elements are felt to be so essential to the image of the franchise that the in the effort to stay true to films the EU (and now the sequel trilogy) retreads the same ground time and time again.

KOTOR's setup in which the distant past 4000 before the films looks pretty damn similar to the "present" is not for any deep artistic design but because when you say STAR WARS people want/expect jedi,sith,lightsabers, superweapons and that iconic aesthetic.

Both the old EU and the ST felt the need to stick to the forumla partly because it was successful the first time around but also it's a way for the these projects to earn enough credibility as a legitimate SW product. We can hope that after TFA established it's foothold as a Star Wars film filled with Star-Warsy stuff the team will feel confident enough to branch out and explore new ground in the remaining movies but we shall have to wait and see.
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>>47960018
>The current First Order/Resistance status quo has the same problem

It conveys a theme we're starting to see in our own world right now, so I don't mind it.
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>>47959929
This annoyed me in particular with TFA. They did a lot of thing right, but it retreaded old plot points so hard it hurt. As good as Empire was, I really hope episode VIII won't repeat it as hard.

Gotta say though, I have high hopes for Rogue One.
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>>47960855
Currently halfway through Han Solo's Revenge, after that its going to be Han Solo and the Lost Legacy, probably Dark Empire II & Empire's End and then go from there I'm saving Rogue Squadron for after some of the eventual dogshit.

Also going through (Old) Marvel Star War, but its probably worth breaking that down into arcs.
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>>47960978

You doing this run like chronologically?
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>>47961033
Started by going "Haven't read Heir to the Empire in forever. Wonder if its still good?" Working to get onto production order, where possible.
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>>47961101

Ah, I was wondering, because one of the things in the EU I usually recommend to people because I always liked it when I was younger was the Han Solo Trilogy, though I'm not sure when it came out (though technically timeline wise I think the books like, encapsulate the entire Han Solo Adventures in there somewhere).

To me, all the inspiration I need for an Edge game is Paradise Snare.
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>>47961230
Chronologically, Han's Corporate Sector trilogy (written in 1979-1980) takes place within Rebel Dawn (1998)

Crispin's Solo Trilogy was also a favorite back in the day.
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>>47960018
While I liked TFA, I think more emphasis on the cold war aspects and ships that aren't just x-wings or tie fighters! would have gone a long way towards making the era stand out. Usually that's the job of the EU but it seems like nucanon is shitting the bed on that front. I'm glad they aren't wasting any time making many of the same mistakes as the old EU
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>>47938669
If you want even MORE cybernetics, go with Technician Cyberneticist and get a biofeedback regulator (both of these are from Special Modifications, the Technician sourcebook). You'll be a droid, but better.
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Does anyone have the image with the latest supposed leaks?
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>>47935132
Is that the Axe Gang?
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>>47965040
Fuck, Kung Fu Hustle Star Wars when?
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>>47966220
Ragtag group of Force Sensitive Exiles takes on a gang of Marauders with vibro-axes.
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>>47955352
>code designation for planet of origin
He is from Falleen, which bears the system registry code 'FN'
>first number is recruitment batch
He is part of the second recruitment batch to come from Falleen.
>next numbers designate which the trooper is out of all of the recruits in that batch
He is number 187 out of who knows how many?

>Example: the seventy-third member of the third batch recuited from Alderaan
ARN-377

>now you do it!
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>>47967058
>TIE/Unf
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>>47960861
Reminder not to skip Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future after the Thrawn Trilogy.
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>>47917691

>ibetthejewdididthis
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>>47962836
While I too feel like they could've done more, but I'm optimistic. The original setting wasn't brought across entirely within A New Hope, so I'll give the nucanon the benefit of the doubt until at least the next two films come out. And it's not like they won't be releasing other canon materials either in the meantime.
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>>47968438
>that first sentence
Yeah, I'm going to sleep.
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>>47966404
>recruited from alderaan
>first order

Did I miss something in nucanon?
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Pg10 Bamp
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>>47960018
That's actually one thing I liked about the Prequels. The aesthetic was unique and interesting. At least, away from the Jedi.
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>>47960064
>>47960713

I found this list a while ago. http://imgur.com/gallery/x5kks

It seems on par with what /swg/ would recommend.
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>>47973441
TFA really made me appreciate the prequels: for all their god awful writing, they at least tried to do something interesting. JJ and Disney are just farming nerds.
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>>47975364
Can you blame them for playing it safe after the prequels?
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I saw someone post Boba Fett's FFG RPG stats, awhile back ...Anyone have stats for Vader yet? Post em if you got em!
Thanks!
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>>47976874
I asked an anon awhile back and he gave me his formula for making vader.

>Make him with a bunch of XP how you feel using either the character rules, nemesis system, etc
>Make like 10 inquisitors, have them fight your vader statline
>If he loses, add 100XP, repeat until he is victorious
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>>47960064
Posting for the pic alone
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>>47976930

Interesting approach, thanks!
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>>47976874
>Vader kills 1d6-1 players per round
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>>47973508
I agree wholeheartedly with that list, especially as a "beginner's guide to why people like the old EU"

But I plan to go deeper.

Deeper than Jedi Academy and Dark Empire

Deeper than the Callista Trilogy

Deeper than the New Jedi Order and Dark Nest Trilogy

Deeper than Jedi Prince and Planet of the hoojibs.

I'm going to fight my way through ALL of Legends.

This is my mission. This is my curse.
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>>47978991
May the Force Be with You, Reviewanon.
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>>47978991
I'm about almost done with NJO after starting all of post Endor Legends after TFA came out

It's been rough

Real rough
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Question for you guys, i see a lot of talents that help out in social situations that negate setback dice, so far I've never given a setback dice for any social roll, what reason or circumstances would dictate setback dice on social checks?
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>>47979115
I feel you brother. I gave up on the NJO after the third book or so.


>>47979299
>what reason or circumstances would dictate setback dice on social checks?
Hostility or disbelief on the part of the target of the check.

Say you've got a PC who's trying to bluff his way into convincing a grizzled Espo who's getting too old for your shit that he's not ripshit drunk, nor did he crash that airspeeder into that casino over there.
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>>47978991

I just finished it up, it was interesting. Started with Dawn of the Jedi...took over a year. The differences in stories and writing styles was a hard thing to get through, but i have to say I like James Lucernos stuff a lot. Good luck with your endeavor, and may the force be with you.
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Im having trouble with my storyline, got a group of force sensitives who want to be bounty hunters, i rolled up a target who stole spice from a rival of his boss.

Now I have the person who was stolen for written up, and the other bosses encounter, who is saying that the thug doesn't work for him anymore and he doesn't know where he is.

What im stuck at is how I get the PCs to the guy now, i feel like i wrote myself into a corner, but writing myself out isnt helping. The endgoal I want is for a vehicular chase through a crowded city.

Any advice on how to get my pcs on the right track to the thug? And what I should throw at them as they look for said thug?
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>>47979765
Were your players smart enough to hire or befriend an information broker?
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>>47979765
How smart is the guy they are tracking? If he's an amateur or is scared from the pressure he might try to sell his product too early instead of lying low, or at least contact some dealers to try to move it. Maybe a local spice dealer knows him and intelligently refused, or even stupidly accepted and is in the process of making a deal. Unfortunately for your group if they've figured it out than other bounty hunters probably have too.
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>>47979299

Well, if it's an opposed test, anything that would normally give the other guy a blue Boost die becomes a black setback die for the roller. That'll probably be most common for Rivals and Nemeses with their own talent ranks.

Drugs, critical injuries or previous Threat on a roll might apply some black dice to any sort of check depending on when it happens.

But most common will be basically like >>47979345 said, just any kind of environmental factor. People who have no reason to like or believe you. Talking in a crowded, loud nightclub. Trying to reason with somebody who is drunk as a skunk, any kind of situational modifier the GM can think of.
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>>47970493
You maybe missed the word 'example'
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>>47979765
Not yet, not a bad idea but they are loathe to part with their money. Though if they do go for it, i can see him pushing them in the right direction.
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>>47980080
I like that idea of rival bounty hunters.
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>>47980269
Awesome thank you. I'm a first time GM for the system. Weve gotten 4 games under our belt so far and im really trying to understand everything.
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>>47980371
>DEFEAT THE VILLAINS

Thanks EA
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>>47980407
While EAfront is super bland, in their defense heroes vs villains is a (very unbalanced) mode from the original game
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>>47980371
The one thing I can say about EAFront is that is looks and feels pretty awesome. But after a few hours, you'll get bored.

It's a great game to rent while playing with friends.
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Who enjoys a nice glass cannon? Because for 52 points I have created perhaps the glassiest cannon in all of X-wing...
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>>47982878
So the Bomber dumps target lock and focus onto Omega, who then Randy Quaids at someone guns a'blazin?
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>>47983452
Looks like it. If I'm reading it right it's actually not that bad. You could trim some fat, like removing Comm Relay Evade (so long as you don't mind the lost die from Expose.)

Looks like it goes:
>Bomber greens
>Assigns target lock to Omega
>Assigns focus token to Omega
>Omega moves
>Expose
>Experimental Interface (maybe to Barrel Roll into Range 1)
>Omega Attacks
>His attack immediately deals between 3 and 4 crits, defense roll dependent
>The pair fly away, clear stress, prepare for a second attack run

I see it being very effective against large base ships with very little agility, such as the Ghost. Maybe even against some more agile pilots (3/4 guaranteed hits is nothing to sniff at, crits are even better).

List maybe needs a PS8/9 ace to help strip tokens. Yes, lots of potential actually.
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>>47983773
>>47982878

Throw Carnor Jax with something on there, his ability to prevent the enemy from gaining/spending tokens pulls double duty.
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>>47983773
Except for the order of Expose/EI that's exactly how it goes.
>>47984090
Good call.
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>>47976874

Vader's "stats" are in AoR's Assault on Arda, if I recall. It involves evacuating a rebel base.

To be concise, >>47977217
summed it up pretty accurately. Vader moves a rangeband closer per round, if he catches up to the players, or the players decide to stay and fight, the GM schools them via narrative equivalent of a Kratos quicktime event.
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>>47982878

Nice to see someone using my Officer Aces TIE Shuttle build.

I say "my" it's basically all common sense stuff that I think most people would come up with a little thought, but whatever.
I have a couple of Double Defender and Defender-Whisper lists that use it, that I'm meaning to try out.

>>47984090

Or if you want more firepower and crits, toss in Rexler.
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>>47982878
>>47984090
>>47987250

Something like this might work: http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.183,u.95;179:20,-1:-1:13:;62:18:5:15:M.1;151:170:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

16hp, but a LOT of green dice, and a MONSTROUS amount of firepower.

...actually now that I think about it, if you HAVE the gozanti TIE's, why not something like this?

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.183,u.95;179:152,153:-1:-1:;62:18:5:15:M.1;152:20:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

My only query is: Can you use Experimental Interface on Youngsters ability?
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How do I learn to be a good imperial officer?
I'm the imperial player in an Imperial Assault campaign and I want to taunt the rebel scum with imperial greatness.
Are there any special source books or media you recommend?
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>books or media
Inglourious Basterds, Wolfenstein: The New Order, Dawn of War II: Chaos Rising, Red Alert 3, Gundam.
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>>47982878
>He doesn't know of the 4xM3A shitceptor with HLC list
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Started playing the Heroes of the Aturi Cluster co-op campaign last weekend. Damn this stuff is sooo good! Highly recommanded!
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>>47987629
thanks
inglorious basterds: check
DoW II: check
Red Alert 3: wow, never realised how cheesy it got after 2. Have to look into it if only for pictures google brings up.
Wolfenstein: same here
Gundam: i think i'll skip that, too many bad memories of rewatching saber rider
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>>47988397
>never realised how cheesy it got after 2
The base game's campaign is worth a full playthrough purely because of this bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yMy7JuGpJM
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>>47988431
holy shit, how could I miss this?
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>>47988431
Thank you for the reaction image anon
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>>47987250
>"my"
>"MY"
>trying to take credit for the first thing everyone thought of the second they saw 'Systems Officer'
I wouldn't normally check you on that, but you obviously realised what a twat thing that was to say and you still hit enter.
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I've been playing X-Wing for months, might be coming up on a year, and I feel like I'm not getting any better. I recently played Super Dash and a Lothal Rebel and lost every game. That seems particularly pathetic. I've figured out formation flying, movement and range measuring, and I'm not sure what I'm missing besides consistently rolling crap. A stupid question I'm sure, but is there some secret strategy or trick I'm missing?
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>>47992380
On a somewhat related note, if I'm going to lose it's going to be on my terms. What's a fun list based on the Lambda Shuttle and escorts? Currently thinking:

Colonel Jendon
ST-321
Weapon Engineer
System Officer

Soontir Fel
Royal Guard
PTL
Stealth Device
Autothrusters

Inquisitor
TIE/v1
Juke
Autothrusters
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Hey guys, does anyone here wanna read the prologue to my star wars fic?

The story itself is going to set up the characters introduced here as the two big bad guys, with the end of the second act be the main character stealing the Humble Herring from the shadowport.

This is a first draft, and I would appreciate any kind of help. Ive posted work of mine here before, but this is the first thing I liked enough to want to refine into a definitive part of the finished product. I guess we have to write a few Journal of the Whills before we can write any ANHs

All criticism is welcome. If you think its shit, tell my why you think its shit. If you really like an aspect of it, let me know what it was and why you liked it, either as a comment on the doc itself or in a (you) here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RRZ83WN3mSdf1dPHDMboXpAqqCbIfSbdcOP1Jz4-Rtc/edit?usp=sharing
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>>47942411
Those aren't cylinders, that's a bullpup rifle with the action obscured by his body.
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I've just gotten the last two fighters to fill out my Headhunter wing. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best way of marking ships 4 and 5. Perhaps a similar banding system to 2 and 4? Wing markers? Any other suggestions?
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>>47992380
>>47992454
This might seem silly, but a huge part of playing X-wing (at the higher competitive level) is playing the other player first, and the ship movement dice game second.

I won a game recently by tricking my opponent into chasing my ace, while my two missile boats came about in a huge, lazy circle. From his perspective he'd caught me out of position, and that's how he treated the game... Right up until his 4 and 5 forward moves overshot my ace, and my two Contracted Scouts performed a sharp right. He lost his Soontir and another Tie that turn, and after that it was a matter of minutes to mop him up.

If I'd been playing the dice-and-dial game Soontir would have shredded my ace, and probably been prepared to whether my torpedo assault. Because I played the player, I managed to catch him out of position, unprepared, and ultimately dealt him a one turn death-blow.

Check out: "A Treatise on Starfighting" - he has some great explanations of playing the psychological component of X-wing. If you play your opponent instead of his list, you can win with almost any squad.
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>>47995840
What about an 'IV' and a 'V' across the nose?

Also fucking killer paint job man shit. Nice af.
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>>47917611
I want to play an outlaw technician who joined the rebellion, taking the support Duty. How badly am I going to miss Solid Repairs?
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>>47962836
>>47968438
From what I understand they wanted to play it close to the vest with the first one and then get weird with 8
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>>47999389
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>>47999473
I hope they use the thing where Rey isn't Luke's Daughter but is a reincarnated Chosen One.
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>>47928478
It's high noon.
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>>48000222
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>>47999389
>How badly am I going to miss Solid Repairs?
Unless your group is constantly spending time in something like a light freighter or bigger, probably not much.
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>>47999473
Nah, Disney loves money too much to take any risks at all with Star Wars. 8 will be a retread of Empire Strikes Back. As a matter of fact, I'll go ahead and spoil the plot right now:

> Opening, on Not Hoth. Finn and Poe are doing protagonist things, Carrie Fisher is pretending not to be hung over.
> First Order tie fighters do a flyby. The Resistance gets worried.
> Cut to Not Dagobah. Rey is learning to be a jedi from Luke, but is held back by her anger and lack of patience. Chewbacca passes the time by diving for fish.
> Back on Not Hoth, the first order are attacking. Things seem to be going well, Leia does something badass, but then the Knights of Ren appear.
> This highly trained group of Sithaboos pause in their massacre only to plug Kylo Ren's iPod into the loudspeaker so he can blare "Crawling" by Linkin Park as they fight.
> Finn and Poe escape together, along with Leia and the rest of the Resistance. They head for a bastion of Republic control.
> Back on Not Dagobah, Rey is having visions of Kylo Ren torturing Finn by reading him his poetry.

continued...
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>>48000952

> Hayden Christenson makes a cameo, appearing as a force ghost to Kylo Ren and calling him a whiny little bitch. Kylo informs him that he is not his real dad. Anakin tells Kylo that he's done better force chokes on his own cock than Kylo ever has in his life. Kylo throws his Darth Revan bodypillow at Anakin's ghost and he vanishes.
> Despite Luke's advice, Rey takes off in the Millennium Falcon to rescue her friends. Luke tags along, and Chewie gives him a massive hug.
> To exactly no-one's surprise, Finn, Poe, and Leia are betrayed by a man with less than a tenth of the swave of 1980s Billy Dee Williams.
> Rey, Luke, and Chewbacca arrive to save the day. Rey upstages Luke at least once because Disney analysis predict a 2.1% increase in sales if this occurs at least once.
> Things appear to be going well, but then the Knights of Ren appear again.
> Either Luke or Leia die. Luke if the analysts decide that having a white male protagonist isn't diverse enough, Leia if her cocaine budget exceeds expectations.
> Finn is taken prisoner, and is taken away by Kylo Ren for interrogation and reconditioning. The rest of the cast escapes, watching the First Order massacre the Republic settlement.
> Queue Episode 9, It Totally Won't Be Return of the Jedi!
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>>48000965
>Kylo informs him that he is not his real dad

But Darth Vader is his Maternal Grandfather.
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>>48000965
>A-Wings
>Would pay to see!
>11/10
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Hey yo, I'm trying to Explain A Thing to a friend, could somebody help me out? I want to know some of the major inconsistencies between the Force in the Prequels and the Force in the OT. Not stuff like "It's way more powerful in the PT cuz they can do flips" and shit, more like differences to how it's approached, i.e. "anyone can Force" vs. "You Must Be This Force Sensitive To Get On The Ride", etc.
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>>48001901
What in particular are you looking for?

The best way to look at it is that everyone is connected to the Force but some people have a stronger connection which they can develop. Even without training, a Force Sensitive will be just plain better at certain activities because they're unconsciously calling upon the Force.

Pilots who are extremely dextrous with insane reflexes, mechanic capable of diagnosing machinery and fixing it with a glance, politicians who are innately able to understand people around them and subtly manipulate them, stuff like that.
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>>48001901
The obvious answer is "Lucas didn't have a continuity editor or Gary Kurz to say "No, George, this makes no sense."

An in-universe answer is the Jedi Order got so stifled with dogma and procedure that it couldn't see the obvious threat bearing down on it. The survivors (Ben & Yoda) realized too late that they needed reform and taught Luke a more adaptable/less rigid view of the Force that he could eventually pass on to the next generation of Jedi to try and ensure this doesn't happen.

Luke succeeded in Legends after a rocky start, and apparently failed hard in NuCanon.
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>>48002030
>>48002046

I'm not looking for in-universe wankery, I want to know legitimately more differences between how the Force is explained in the Prequels (Jedi are better at everything because they have a set amount of Force Points) and the Original Trilogy (People have to basically be awakened in the Force to use it well and aren't super-enhanced by it because they won the genetic lottery).
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>>48002204
Besides a very large number of Force abilities being displayed in the Prequels, nothing really. Unless you want to get into EU stuff.

Maybe you can make a case for Yoda being super sensitive to the future and various happenings around the Galaxy.
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>>48002204
Then I stand by my original statement that Lucas got carried away and didn't have anybody to reign him in. Especially as he grew enamored with how far CGI had developed since the 80s.

He also got caught up in "prophecy" and making Anakin into a very powerful Chosen One (none of that in the OT) and you had a general sort of power creep that went along with it.
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>>48002204
>super-enhanced by it because they won the genetic lottery
>The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My... Sister has it.

The Force has never been consistent in any media, EU, movies, or nucanon. It is a mystery that is meant I be beyond words and explanation, and any time it's gets put in a box someone is going to sperg.
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X-wing News:

Starviper fix to come in epic Scum ship, 'Crusader Class.' Pic related.
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>>48001901
>anyone can Force
tell me where they ever say this in the OT
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>>48002434
>More Force of corruption ships

Muh dick
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>>48002484
His hatred for the prequels have blinded him to the truth anon. He's more grog than man now
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>>48002434
Well damn. I love the StarViper, and that model looks so cool I might actually have to buy the expansion instead of printing the pilot/upgrade cards on cardstock.
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What is the optimal mercenary soldier build? Get point blank and improved field commander and cross over to tactician?
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>>48002732
Depends on what your overall goal is. But I'm not really sure why you'd go that route.

The main reason you'd take Mercenary Soldier is because you want that solid mix of Leadership combat related talents mixed with combat skills in a single tree. Doesn't make much sense to take the Leadership talents then jump over to Tactician where the main big talents are un-ranked ones you've already bought. Unless you just really want the Hired Gun Signature Abilities that badly.
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>>48002732
More clothes
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>>48002732
Thumbnail made me think I was looking at Imperial Cobra Commander.
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>>48002434
And I was just thinking the other day about how the Starviper could use some new pilot cards. Now it's going to have upgrades, AND come with a ship I'm going to have to buy to begin with!
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>>48002434
It's either a really clever fake, or a someone's losing their fucking job.

>>48003594
My dong grew too, when I first saw it.
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>>48003686
>It's either a really clever fake, or a someone's losing their fucking job.

Why?
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/v/ is an ever devolving shithole and I refuse to go there.

What X-Wing game is best X-Wing game? Alliance Upgrade? Fate of the Galaxy? Freeworlds?
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>>48004647

It's not Canon.

But maybe it's a sign that things are working on a quota system? Like, for every 2 ships from Rebels and 1 from TFA and a Prequel you can have 1 Reprint and a New ship from Legends.
Or maybe 2 from legends if the Gunboat rumour is actually true. Although Huge ships tend to come in their own mini-waves so I'll beleive it when I fucking see it.

So, basically there's a ratio apparently, we just need to figure it out. WITH MATH.
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>>48005479

Actually, let's look at the last wave.

R2+T+P with nothing from Legend.

R=Rebels, T=The Force Unleashed and P=Prequels. But if we combine it with >>48002434 and why not toss in the gunboat as well we get:

R2+T+P = F+(HL)+L

F= Fix, H=Huge and L= Legends.

Okay, so far, so opaque. But let's factor in Wave 8.

R2+T2=L2

So, from this we can more clearly see that for every 2 Ships from Canon we get, we get one ship from Legends. Now, the wildcard is the Prequel ship. Does each prequel ship we get enable us to possibly get a huge ship? Probably not, Scum needed a huge and a Starviper fix so size probably doesn't matter to paraphase a certain green muppet.

No, not Kermit.

Of course this all assuming that we shouldn't be factoring in stuff outside of X-Wing into this as well, like the ships from Armada.
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>>48005280
TIE Fighter
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>>48002434
It's probably a fake due to some clever analyzing of the image by a dude from lereddit but I'm hoping it's real
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