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Ladyknight edition. Can we have one for once? Is skimpy or full-covering armor art better?
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>>47889373
>>47897741
It depends on the character, really.
>>47897741
I'm using my other laptop, I have all my ladyknight art on the other one, damn.
Full-covering armor is infinitely better. Skimpy is just disappointing character and realism wise. You can be cute, ladylike or sexy in full-plate armor, it's just more nuanced.
>>47897741
>Is skimpy or full-covering armor art better?
I have a definite preference for covering. I like the look of relatively functional stuff, rather than metallic fetish-wear.
>>47897741
Full-covering armor or bust.
I even cringe at particularly breast-accented breastplates or cleavage in armor.
>>47897741
I feel full covering armor is better, not that I don't enjoy cheesecake.
Speaking of which Marauders/Warriors from FFXIV are great. I want more giant axe wielders in full armor
>>47897741
Skimpy armor is just bad in general, beyond raw titillation it's just something that makes you think "yes, this is smutty fantasy."
Full coverage? Let's be honest here, cleavage and the suggestion of form from a fat pair of chest puppies straining against a leather jerkin is better than anything you could get from a chainmail bikini.
>>47897741
>>47897855
>What are proportions
Edited the Vigilante initiating archetype.
Would anyone like to comment/critique/call me a faggot?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SeF1EF2NUNMiVRu2ITpuNDZzwyI14ahXTKFiBP97Yy0/edit?usp=sharing
>>47897853
Speaking of which I want more plate skirts.
>>47897890
faggot
>>47897741
I used to enjoy skimpy stuff, but I got overexposed. Now it just seems silly. If you're going to be fighting on the front lines you're not going to be wearing something with a boob window.
>>47897853
Agreed, it's basically the armored version of sweater puppies. Although I'm a fan of the less functional armored short skirt/shorts over armored leggings.
>>47897741
I think a lot of people here would even consider your pic to be too sexualized.
Obviously you need a breastplate to accommodate a dame's chest, but it has to be like >>47897812 or >>47897801
where it is integrated into the armor and doesn't curve down, creating a structural weakness on the underside by having an unnecessary groove. Also breasts should be bound in armor.
In addition, while a certain level of heel is necessary for using stirrups, those are stilletos, and far more than what is necessary to hook into a stirrup.
Also, cut your damn hair, you're begging that to get pulled in a fight, or caught in your helmet.
Lastly, her inner thigh is unprotected, there are several very major arteries that run along the inside of the thighs.
Do you think it's weird for a character in Golarion to be non-religious?
Not an atheist, mind you. Just that the character doesn't give a damn about deities and doesn't care enough to pray to something that won't answer.
>>47897934
enjoy being eaten by groatus
>>47897934
Nah, that's fine.
It's not like Faerun where if you don't have a god you go to a nightmarish hellscape when you die.
>>47897947
>Implying that fucker's ever coming down
>>47897897
>>47897918
You wanted skirts?
Because oh my god I love skirts.
Going to start a Kingmaker game soon. Party is a half-orc barbarian, an astral deva, and a succubus. What should I play to round out the party? Rules are 25 point buy, all Paizo and third party allowed.
>>47897934
No, there's an entire city of agnostics in fucking Heaven.
>>47897965
A wizard.
>>47897961
I was thinking more along these lines.
>>47897965
Don't worry about rounding out the party, go fucking ham with those options, anon.All third party? Be careful
>>47897979
What?
No, like, what?
Did you use the wrong word?
>>47897934
So agnostic? I can see it happening for Dirt Farmer Frank who's too busy trying to farm dirt to feed his family, although considering how the gods are not only proven to exist but will quite often act either personally or through approved agents, I can't see why you would.
>>47897961
Does this count as a skirt?
Because I just adore the idea of whirling skirts or dresses in the middle of battle (as long as they're wearing reasonable armor otherwise, though.)
>>47897999
I'm not going to pick anything retarded. We usually stick to DSP stuff, because these people are using the DSP Succubus and Astral Deva.
>>47897947
Retconned, doesn't apply anymore.
>>47897934
There's Rahadoum, which is militantly atheist, but it's heavily implied they are under divine punishment of sorts for it.
>>47898005
I wouldn't even say agnostic, seeing as the gods are irrefutably, factually out there.
Character just doesn't give a shit.
Like, it's a fact that the gods are out there, but this character thinks that praying to them doesn't do shit and doesn't bother.
>>47897965
you have damage, divine magic, a face, and control, so you have all the major stuff covered, except maybe trap stuff, which isn't really a concern in Kingmaker
So go wild and choose whatever. I'd personally go with a crafting character so the party can get the most out of their crap.
>>47898003
No, dear.
They're not atheists, they're just good people who didn't worship anyone.
I don't have my scans on this computer, just look up Heaven Unleashed.
>>47898030
Go Dhampir Medic, then. Take some unquiet grave, broken blade (fool's errand if it's in beta yet)
>>47897853
I've found that leather is highly overrated as an armor material. It's no better than a few layers of cloth when it's not hardened, and when it is, it's so stiff and noisy that it's not worth the hassle. I wish more fantasy would move away from the idea of leather as a staple light armor.
>>47897885
>What is art style choice.
>What are strong features designed to show up on a small sprite.
>>47898041
That falls under the Atheist umbrella I think. "Gods aren't worth praying to." In which case sure, although you want to keep them separate from the fedora tippers in Rahadoum.There's actually a bunch of feats for being an atheist and they're pretty great.
>>47897897
>>47898092
I'm not sure I'm a fan of that art style.
>>47898089
>There's actually a bunch of feats for being an atheist and they're pretty great.
What are they?
>>47897961
Not so much those skirts, more like the length of the pants here, sans the lengthy tunic. >>47897897
Although honestly those are more in fashion with female light armor users like thieves.
>>47898108
I dunno, I always liked that kind of style.
>>47898131
To each their own, I think it just looks really muddy.
>>47898076
>I've found that leather is highly overrated as an armor material. It's no better than a few layers of cloth when it's not hardened, and when it is, it's so stiff and noisy that it's not worth the hassle. I wish more fantasy would move away from the idea of leather as a staple light armor.
I brought up leather armor not because I think it's a good material, and more because stuff like plate doesn't lend itself to showing that yes, the woman has a notably large chest, and they *are* pressing against her outfit.
That said, could always go for chainmail.
>>47898129
>Although honestly those are more in fashion with female light armor users like thieves.
Thieves and rogues and Rangers and all those other light-armor types, I feel, can pull off the "cleavage and slightly skimpy" look.
Mages and monks can just go whole hog and wear strips of silk.
Ladyknights need that protection, which means you won't get a lot in the way of form-fitting armor that shows off the goods... Still, that just makes it all the sweeter when they take off their cuirass after a hard day's fight and everyone's surprised to find a nice figure under all that steel.
>>47898119
I don't know about feats, but there's the Rahadoumi Disbeliever trait that gives you +2 on saves vs. divine spells. It forces saves when your allies try to buff you though, so it's not that great.
>>47898119
Faiths and Philosophies has them. The base feat is Divine Defiance (+2 saves vs divine spells and SLAs), and two of the more fun ones are Focused Disbelief (11+level SR vs divine spells) and Seed of Doubt (hexes cause target to make saves against all divine spells, including beneficial ones).
It's really just Focused Disbelief since it seems like 90% of outsiders you would fight are associated with some kind of god.
What's a good, cheap light armor?
I want a Mithral Breastplate, but it's a bit too expensive.
Is there an armor that doesn't have a max dex limit?
Bracers of armor, I guess?
>>47898245
Mithril chain shirt
>>47898245
Leather lamellar or chain shirt
>>47898268
I think that's about it.
>>47898076
Leather has more utilitarian uses for the man at arms in the field compared to jack.
>>47898268
Mantle of the protector.
>>47898268
Haramaki and armored kilt.
>>47898268
Silken ceremonial armour
>>47898309
>>47898076
It's really more that good cloth armor is criminally underrated.
>>47897741
What are some good items for a half orcs horselord/trapper ranger who wants more natural attacks, is a bounty hunter and has 5K gp to spend?Third party is on a case by case basis, but is almost universally "No"
Here's an automatic 1911 since I have no ladyknights on my phone
>>47898138
>>47898131
I agree it looks muddy, but that's part of the appeal. That picture there looks bad. I'm not sure if it's the bland colours, the highly pixelated linework (despite being a png, which makes me think it was blown up), the symbol is all out of whack, or that she has two one-handed swords and no shield, and her scabbard is over her shoulder.Do you have any idea how hard it is to sheathe a weapon over your shoulder?
>>47898487
Yes I do, its fucking impossible.
>>47898487
I'm willing to let the over the should scabbards and artwork alone on that picture. It looks more like someone practicing and learning.Not that I enjoy the art, though, or even that I have room to talk because I'm even worse.
Also over the should scabbards are "cool." Definitely not something I'd hold against someone for trying to do in game.
>>47898524
That's fair, I shouldn't shut someone down if they are in their early stages and are dedicated to improving.
I've just seen people stick to a particular style their entire life well into their forties and it's terrible.
>>47898558
You mean likeWayne Reynolds?
>>47898485
Are guns available? if so, do you have a blunderbus or shotgun? if not, get one; spread shotting is excellent for helping you against swarms and hordes of smaller enemies.
Pick up some Drow poison so you can make people with low fort saves pass out for easy pickup.
Do you have a hat of disguise? That'll help you get into places where your marks are, and hide your natural weapons under an illusion.
Robe of infinite twine is also a good investment; cheap but useful, as every adventurer wants rope.
Traveler's Any-tool is in the same position as the robe.
Why aren't all-Bard marching bands a thing?
>>47898700
Because morale bonuses don't stack
>>47898668
Not that his art looks bad, it's just that every single character has like 40 fucking knives in their lulu amount of belts.
>>47898668
I meant the guy who draws http://www.misfile.com/
He's like 42 and been doing that comic for 10+ years
>>47897741
It's important for her to wear something decent for battle proper, but nothing says her 'dress uniform' can't be something... nice.
>>47898753
That's not necessarily them not progressing, it could just be trying to keep the art style consistent. Personally I don't think it's that bad if you're going for multiple releases a week.
>>47898753
I remember that comic! Helped me realize I have a gender transformation fetish.
>>47898753
Misfile's STILL fucking going? Jeezus H Christ.
>>47898775
I've watched a lot of comic artists progress their art over decades long webcomics.
Dresden Codak, Gunnerkrigg, EGS. It's always better in the long run.
>>47898793
>>47898800
I just reflexively check it along with the other two dozen webcomics I read. It'd be nice if he ever advanced the plot.
>>47898487
If you have a minute where you're not distracted by a fight, you can generally do it without much trouble. It's mainly just awful for drawing in combat. Over-the-shoulder scabbards are fine, but as traveling sheaths, not combat-ready ones.
>>47898156
That's fair. And really, my complaint wasn't so much directed at you, as it was a tangential complaint that your comment reminded me of. No worries!
>>47898810
>Dresden Codak, Gunnerkrigg, EGS
Don't disagree with the first two, link to the third, please. However, sometimes people value consistency for their art. Personally I don't think the art is bad, but it's definitely not as good as the first two you listed. It could also be stylization to help create a mood for the comic.
Is there a quicker way to stat up martial adept enemies? I don't want to spend so long making maneuver choices for the critter to die immediately.
>>47898753
Oh wow, that's literally the same art from beginning to end isn't it?
Plus I'm pretty sure that's just "learn to draw anime!" artstyle. Fuck, /I/ drew that shit back in middle school.
>>47898838
egscomics.com
It was...pretty weird for the first few years. It's levelled out a lot, and it's pretty evident the early plots were when he was much younger.
Still, for art progression, definitely the case.
>>47898832
Yeah, you can sling it over your shoulder like a rifle for marching, so it's not bumping against your leg, but you don't actually sheath it there. You normally steady a sheath with one hand, to draw it by feel or phantom coordination.
>>47898855
Use the same guy multiple times
>>47898810
The thing about Gunnerkrig is that Tom has had a lot of it planned out since the very beginning. He likely has more time to work on developing his art since he has the plot laid out.
With Misfile, Hazelton likely wasn't planning long term, so there was no need to work on his art.
>>47898928
Definitely, still a pain in the butt.
>>47898674
Some guns but I have a double hackbut mounted on my Gorthek so I can load spreadshot in that, I will get the hat but not the robe as I already have a robe of useful things with 12 fucking open pits
>>47898947
I mean like have 3 or 4 guys and just use them over and over again
>>47898972
>robe of useful things
Acceptable substitute.
>Gorthek
Best animal companion.
If someone teaches you how to use a wand, can you activate it without making a UMD check, even if you don't have that spell on your spell list?
>>47899002
Nope.
However, you get a +2 I think for activating an item you've activated before.
So they can aid-another you activating it the first time, and it IS easier thereafter.
i think i've found horror mode for a majority of /tg/.
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/3504851/to-join
>>47899002
>>47899026
What IS the DC to UMD a wand when you're, like a Fighter or whatever?
My GM has always made us roll for 25 to blindly activate it, but it doesn't make sense to me - surely after the first time you could just know how it works.
>>47899047
>>47899049
It's 20.
The UMD page has a table.
>Use a Wand: 20
>>47899047
Why are there people so thirsty for game they want to play that shit?
>>47899049
DC 20
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/use-magic-device
>>47897965
Aren't two of those just races? Either way, Kingmaker is all about the campaign trait "Sword Scion" http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/campaign-traits/kingmaker/sword-scion
+1 to hit from a trait with a damn good weapon is about as badass as it gets. Go half-elf, swap skill focus for EWP, and you're already on the way there. Options at that point are
> (a) ranger with favoured enemy human
> (b) Fighter
> (c) any class that would not normally have a sword but benefits from it.
Heck, if you want to be less metagame about it, go Elf and just use the bonus for the longsword - but a Finesse weapon that you can Two-Hand is pretty nice for the whole power attack deal. You wouldn't be the first elf to pull out a longsword and make the enemy hesitate.
>>47899047
Someone tell me what that is, if I click the link it asks me to log in and I don't remember ever making an account.
>>47899159
>>47899159
5 point buy commoner game where you have to role-play the class you're going for many levels from now. How you're supposed to roleplay a wizard/sorcerer/oracle or whatever and still contribute iunno
>>47898485
Bracers +2, substitute one of those points for the "Brawler" upgrade. Enjoy your +2 to unarmed strikes and grapple.
>>47899177
>>47899177
Fuck, that sounds awesome.
I want to start out as a farmer who joins the town guard and eventually becomes sheriff.
>>47899177
JFC
That's what we call backstory. Why not go back and require them to roleplay their birth and childhood as well?
>>47899177
>5 point buy
>Commoner
>Have to be railroaded into the invariably Sword Snowflake 1/ Mad Master of Music 1/ Kush KKKannon 2/ Dragon Diddler 1/Rave Ranger 2/Cuck Clown Clapper 3 build he will force you into because "That's what you roleplayed LOL"
>>47899218
Then pathfinder ain't for you.
>>47899218
>joins the town guard.
Good luck. You've got +0 BAB, slow saves, and no class features. You start with one weapon proficiency, and one feat if you're a human. You'll die to the first bandit that glances your way.
>>47899177
I can understand it on a conceptual level.
>>47899193
Cleric I can understand if they'd let you be an Adept. There's no arcane commoner counterpart though, so wizard wouldn't work.
And how the fuck are you supposed to roleplay 'not a sorcerer/oracle yet'? That shit just HAPPENS when you somehow set yourself on fire or a god or something decides to break your kneecaps and replace them with godjuice.
>>47899195
I will not grapple or make an unarmed strike once in the whole campaign tbhwu
>>47899243
Why, what would be your class layout in real life?
>>47899264
No, it'd work. You'd just have to have a book, and spout random jibberish while doing jackshit. Anything else is rollplaying.
>>47899262
Not to argue that commoners AREN'T total shit, but they still get feats as normal. A level 1 human commoner still has two feats.
>>47899177
Problem is that training thing.
You're going to be made to adventure or otherwise interact with the world as a commoner.
You won't get to actually "apply" to get training from any but specific classes decided for you by the DM.
This will end up as one hell of a clusterfuck.
>>47899292
What even would you spend your feats on? You're competent at nothing. The best use of your time is to put all your feats / skill points into making money so you can just buy level reassignment surgery.
>>47899250
I wouldn't mind playing in Pathfinder. Me and my players have toyed with the idea of playing dirt farmers who eventually becomes adventurers to protect their little hamlet.
It would only work if it was heavy roleplaying focusing on social accomplishments and then eventually totally retraining into a PC class.
>>47899264
>Arcane commoner counterpart
Magewright from Ebberon might work.
>>47899287
random jibberish about what?
>I can almost feel the power exploding within me!
What are you, a 14 year old anime character?
>>47899328
Well wizarding is all about knowing how to control the magical laws of the universe through intelligence, hand symbols, and bat shit. So yeah, you're pretty much bad ass enough to alter how the universe works, exactly like a 14 year old anime character.
>Boost my STR to 46 for one round
>Try to pick up a wagon
>Roll a 37 on the strength check
>Wearing a heavyload belt
>Can't even lift the side of the wagon
Fuck this game
>>47899218
This seems a better fit for whfrp, or rq.
>>47899292
The issue is that Pathfinder is designed to have characters be competent at a few things, to have the rolls meaningfully do anything.
Without pretty decent bonuses, you're completely at the whim of the dice, and your meticulously crafted character has no consistency in the things he might actually be capable in.
That town sheriff is lucky to be a Commoner 3/Fighter 2. Good luck grappling a thug with any consistency.
>>47899343
>Wizard just levitates it 400 feet into the air
>>47899286
Rogue/1
>Implying I would let myself get hit
>Implying anyone on /tg/ would be anything other than rogue/ 1, if that
>>47899342
A bigger issue is, as anon above had mentioned, you get none of this shit before training as a wizard or cleric, and none of this shit at all before BAM: SORC/ORACLE 1st. The latter in particular have nothing, and one day now they have it.
Same with nonstandard classes; once you've got your soul-weapon you're a soulknife variant.
It's said Aegis require training, but what is undefined.
>>47899343
That wouldn't be a strength check, that would use your carrying capacity.
>>47899243
Funniest thing.
5 Point buy is WORSE than what commoners get. You're not just commoners, you're SHIT commoners.
>>47899177
I've played pathfinder a stock goblins attacking a farm filled with stock commoners. The commoners have pitch forks and other farm implements at random. The goblins have shitty knives.
Every time you die, you take a shot, become the GM, and the GM enters the field as a new stock goblin.
>>47899343
You should be able to lift 14,720 pounds over your head at that strength. And twice that off the ground.
Fuck the cart, you can lift fourteen horses off the ground over your head.
>>47899343
Your lift overhead load at 46 strength for a medium critter is 14720 pounds. With an anthaul spell it would come out to 44160. There's absolutely no reason you had to roll anything unless it was made out of bullshitium.
>>47899386
Yes, I was saying the concept was bullshit.
>>47899391
>>47899428
>>47899426
My heavy load carrying capacity at that moment was TWENTY FUCKING TONS EXACTLY
The GM ruled that "[I] can carry it, but you have to pick it up first!"
FUCK
I JUST WANT TO HULK UP AND SMASH PEOPLE WITH SMALL HOUSES
OR AT THE VERY LEAST TRY TO DO SO BUT HAVE THE HOUSE CRUMBLE WHEN I PICK IT UP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>47899445
Expert, m8.
In fact, most modern people these days would be Experts, considering the variance in training people can have.
I think Experts are the ONLY class who gets to choose their class skills.
>>47899464
DM's a prick, son.
>>47899464
Tell them they're stupid and ask if you have to roll to pick up every item you come across. Because overhead capacity is literally what you're able to pick up and carry over your head.
I just got cucked.
I just got fucking cucked in a Pathfinder campaign.
Oh my god fuck this.
>>47899464
I hate how dice rolling is required for this shit because one minute you roll shit and cant lift a horse but you can lift something far heavier the next. I hate that aspect of dice rolling.
>>47899464
Yeah no, that's not how it works. Does your DM make you roll to pick up your sword? Do farmers need to make strength checks to lift up bales of hay?
>>47899502
Is this like one of those vague facebook statuses where you lament something bad happening, but don't give any details about what happened so people will show concern for you on the internet to make up for the concern you can't get IRL?
>>47899505
That's... not how dice rolling works in pf.
Unless the books explicitly say otherwise you can always choose take 10.
And if you have at least 2 minutes to accomplish a task instead of a single round, you can take 20.
>>47899505
Did you ever try taking a 10
>>47899557
>>47899560
Maybe if taking 10 was an option during combat.
>>47899541
Yes, of course it is you silly billy.
I'm fishing for (You)s because if I posted a big ole block about my guy losing a 6 month IRL relationship with a waifu because it turns out she was banging other girls might get overlooked.
The thing is, that Commoner isn't representative of the NPC classes.
Commoner is to the other NPC Classes what those other NPC classes are to PC classes.
It's the NPC Class's NPC Class.
Adepts get divine casting and a familiar. Good will save.
Experts get to choose their 10 class skills and get 6+Int ranks a level. Good will save.
Warriors and Aristocrats get full Martial proficiency, shield proficiency, and armor proficiency. Warriors get a good Fort save and a d10 HD, Aristos get a good Will save, a scad more class skills and more ranks, with only a d8 HD.
Commoner gets SHIT.
>>47899587
It is though with Measured Response.
>>47899587
Ah. Yes. Point.
>>47899464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWUcHKAj_tc
>>47898485
So apparently I have 8300 gp and not 5300.Does anyone have any ideas for stuff I should get?I like to carry around a bunch of minor alchemical and magical items like oil of silence for my double hackbut and alkali flasks for breaking locks silently
>>47899595
BUT ANON
DONT YOU WANT THE STRUGGLE?
THE HEROES RISE?!?!
>>47899592
Well? Details.
>>47899286
>what would be your class layout in real life?
Probably Commoner 1/Wizard 1. But I ain't got no spell book.
>>47899665
I can understand the struggle.
Being commoner for more than one level is outrageous though.
If, for some reason, I was inclined to do this kind of thing, people spend maybe the first session as commoners. Level Zero.
Then, after that session, something happens, and they swap over to their choice of Not-100%-Shit NPC class. Then something more significant happens, and they swap into a proper PC class.
Like how in some RPGs you have the intro sequence where you're playing a kid armed with a stick.
>>47899744
I would play this.
An Adept could be a minor follower for a shrine, a Warrior could be in the town guard and Aristocrat/Expert writes themselves.
>>47899286
Destined bloodline Sorcerer 1 with7 Charisma
>>47899696
The DM apparently has a thing for girl/girl and used my character's tough knight fiancé to scratch his itch.
Because *apparently* a girl decked out in full plate and enough strength to slay a Minotaur can't POSSIBLY love the dick! Nope! Can't happen at all!He had the gall to try and excuse the girl/girl by telling me it "doesn't count" because it's not another guy.
Worst part is the character was written as a spunky action-girl tomboy from my character backstory. Half his reason for adventure was to fight by her side and become one of those cool power-couples with Leadership taking her as a cohort.
Is there any way for a PC to gain the Rend special attack?
>>47899788
Tell 'em to fuck off with his magical realm shit.
>>47899788
Did he know your intentions?
Did he fully understand what he was doing?
This is important.
>>47899788
That's a pretty unacceptable breach of player/GM trust.
>>47899814
To clarify, i want to do a rend w/ natural weapons, not the TWF fighting Rend.
>>47899826
Why do you think I'm posting at 9 when the session started an hour ago? At least he was kind enough to do this reveal near the start of the session.
>>47899846
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rending-claws-combat
>>47899788
Tell your DM he's a fucker for purposefully scrapping such an important part of your backstory.
Make him retcon it or find a new game. That's taking liberties with your backstory. Just hand him your character sheet and ask him to make all your choices from now on since that's what he's been doing.
>>47899788
God damn, and I thought I had it bad when my GM made my dwarf lose his beard.
At this point it's too late for a retcon, she's been sullied.
Leave the game and take the pair to another one.
>>47899865
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rending-claws-combat
the problem being that feat doesn't actually give you the rend special attack
it gives you a mockery of it that is piddly in comparison.
>>47899788
But you didn't explain how you got cucked
>>47899864
Just talk to him out of game and tell him to retcon his shit.
>>47899827
He knew my character was in love with this woman. He knew she was written as loving him back. He knew she suffered from an assassination attempt in childhood that left her mute.
He thought it was hot and my character would find it hot, that she's bringing other women into bed for both of us to enjoy even though I made it acutely obvious my character was very monogamous (he refused more than a few advances when he, and I, had solid reason to believe the knightfu was dead. Took some inspiration from Odysseus's wife with that one, odd comparison but it's what comes to mind.)
>>47899943
so he's just an idiot.
>>47899930
>>47899871
>>47899895
The guy's going full damage control right now over Skype, I could possibly get back on the saddle but the damage has already been done, you know?
>>47899943
Do you know this guy?
Tell him that was NOT okay, spell it out for him, and then retcon it. Don't ask for a retcon, boldly tell him that it did NOT happen and that he can shove it up his ass. Anyone that brings it up later can ALSO shove it up their asses.
If he doesn't apologize and comply or acts rudely or mockingly just walk the fuck out even if it's your only source of games. Fuck that guy.
There aren't many things more holy than a man's waifu.
>>47899943
>He knew she suffered an assassination attempt in childhood that left her mute
I don't see how that's relevant.
>>47899992
there's really only one choice anon
Kill them all
Become CE.
MURDERFEST.
RIP ADN TEAR
RIP AND TEAR THEIR GUTS.
>>47899992
Tell him if he ever touches you, your sons, or your character's again you're going home.
>>47899992
If I were you I'd just swap characters.
Like, the whole shtick is ruined for both your PC and that NPC. Everyone will remember this.
>>47899943
Sounds like your DM has a typical frat boy mentality.
Just tell him you are A) Not into it, B) The NPC shouldn't be into it, C) He's pretty much gotten her character wrong doing it and D) Just because he thinks it's hot doesn't mean you do and he should have asked permission to mess with your backstory.
He took liberties he should not have and the only thing for him to do to not look like a tool is to undo the damage and apologize.
>>47899992
Don't let his mistakes ruin your enjoyment of the character.
Turn it into a funny misunderstanding between you and your Knight-Fu or an elaborate plot by an enemy NPC.
>>47899992
Maybe it was a doppelganger, or someone did a shape change shape to impersonate her.
Only way I've got to explain it that isn't "I rewrote your back story because I'm a prick".
>>47899992
No amount of damage control is gonna make the rest of your party forget this shit.
Unless nobody but you knows? In that case, you can grit your teeth and bear it.
>>47900047
Or have the DM come out and say "I'm a pervert, the last sessions that had npcs fuckin' each other was just for me to get my jollies off and never actually happened. Please, if I start going off into my magical realm again just hit me with the DMG"
>>47900041
Torture the doppelganger until you find out where they're keeping your wifi, and go rescue her.
>>47900087
Waifu. Stupid auto correct.
>>47900087
>>47900119
That sounds like the premise for a strangely hilarious anime.
>>47899619
So I got a Merciful Falchion for 2d4+1d6+6 nonlethal and a Martyrs Tear so if I accidently shoot my mark with my double hackbut and knock him to -10 or something I can heal him back up and clap some irons on so I can bring him in.Is there anything else I should get?
>>47900087
>>47900128
I'd watch it and probably waifu a background character.
>>47900035
>Turn it into a funny misunderstanding between you and your Knight-Fu or an elaborate plot by an enemy NPC.
How could you "accidentally" bring a girl to bed and already have her all prepped and ready to go when your lover-boy walks in? That's hot as hell yes, but that's such a flagrant breach of the character I wrote it's just absolutely infuriating.
>>47900008
>I don't see how that's relevant.
It was a classic adorable love-story, my character was the one that helped her through the hard-times during childhood and the path to becoming knights. The whole idea behind the character was being able to convey feelings through expression and body language, very sappy.
>>47900128
It's basically the standard doppelganger plot.
Replace you, and do shit things that everyone blames you for.
The alternative being that it killed you and took your place. In which case maybe his waifu has been dead for a couple weeks and the doppelganger just fucked up the ruse, or thought he'd throw her out so it can go back to its doppelganger business.
Then he has to resurrect the waifu.
>>47899267
*shrug* you said natural weapons. An ork who pins people down and wrecks them is quite natural weapon-y
So Fool's Errand looks kinda cool (reminds me of an old Brawler Fighter I played in 4e, I might have to work on rebuilding him), but I have a couple of questions.
First, does Lesson V: Expression increase my effective reach for the purposes of maintaining a grasp? Being able to keep people grasped at a 50 foot range would be really nice.
Also, since grasps count as melee attacks for the purposes of targeting, if I use Fool's Errand Style to make grasp attempts in place of melee attacks while I'm using Lesson V: Expression, do I also grasp creatures in a 15 foot cone from my target? That would be pretty badass, especially if the stance does increase my effective reach for maintaining a grasp.
Oh, forgot one, just a clarification: can boosts be initiated in the middle of other actions? Many boosts let you initiate them on a trigger, which is likely to happen as part of another action, so it seems like that's the case. I'm thinking of something like initiating Flowing Dance of the Fool while using Lesson IV: The Ladder, grasping an adjacent target, leaping 50 feet into the air, then initiating To the Skies to throw them another 50 feet straight up and follow, then using the attack action/strike granted from Flowing Dance to finish them off (probably with Snapping Turtle Rush to push them another 20 feet up, since Iron Tortoise is my second discipline). That combo hinges on me being able to initiate To the Skies after the movement from Flowing Dance, but before the attack action/strike that Flowing Dance allows me to make.
>>47900175
>You thought we were going to sleep together?
>Oh, God, no, she's a live model! I'm taking up art!
>She's wearing the newest armored boudoir underwear. I wanted to see how it looks before I bought it. Do you like it?
If all else fails, Dopplegangers and Dominate Person spells.
>>47900216
That's just sad damage control.
No matter how hard you try, that wound is not going to heal.
Best to just let it go, I say.
I'd also let that GM go.
Probably punch him for good measure.
>>47900047
>>47900070
Welp, the session is over after the DM got incredibly flustered over everyone getting to pick every nail off his magical realm (he laid it bare and we just tore into it like a pack of hungry wolves.) He's promised to start the next session where we started this session, *minus* the girl/girl and will make sure he doesn't do it again in the future.
I'm hoping for the best, but for now I just need a drink.
>GM touches your waifu
>You don't end his laifu
You better have a damn fucking good excuse for why you can't go to his house and fucking destroy him for this SACRILEGE.
>>47900231
Good for him to fess up.
Now be mature enough to let it go and move on with the game. Keep clear communication so this sort of stuff doesn't happen again.
>>47900251
Maybe he's the only one who is willing to run the game? You can't kill him, but you should make him suffer.
>>47900195
>The alternative being that it killed you and took your place. In which case maybe his waifu has been dead for a couple weeks and the doppelganger just fucked up the ruse, or thought he'd throw her out so it can go back to its doppelganger business.She's a (Demon-Blooded) Tiefling Paladin with saves out the wazoo and a spunky familiar serving as a second set of eyes, I'd raise an eyebrow if he said she was assassinated or killed.
>>47897741
I kinda go from one extreme to other, with nothing in the middle.
Slutty "armor" is fine as long as it's that kind of setting, or everyone accepts it doesn't serve as armor.
Realistic armor is good, and there's no reason why girl (or guy) couldn't look sexy while wearing something practical.
But what I hate are bullshit cleavage armor or boobplate or horribly bulky male armor that pretends it's still supposed to be effective and practical in a setting that present combat as somewhat realistic. Do one or the other, but don't try to combine it.
>>47899464
From now on, roll for everything you pick up.
EVERYTHING.
NO. STOP. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
YOU PUT DOWN THAT SPOON OR FORK. YOU NEED TO ROLL AGAIN.
Start demanding it of everybody else.
"I have to, and it's well within THEIR carry weight as well, why don't they?"
>>47899177
Dwarf
STR 13
DEX 12
CON 15
INT 10
WIS 13
CHA 5
One feat?
Breadth of Experience
>>47900087
Y'all can touch my waifu, but never fucking block my internet access. I need that shit.
>nothing bad or unexpected should ever happen to my character or characters I write!
>in a game rooted in unpredictability
>>47900231
>the DM got incredibly flustered over everyone getting to pick every nail off his magical realm (he laid it bare and we just tore into it like a pack of hungry wolves.)
God, is there anything more satisfying than catching someone trying to jam their magical realm into a campaign, and not only calling them out on it, but the rest of the party joining in to power-fuck their stammering excuses or explanations into the ground?
>>47900195
No, I mean the bit about a guy fighting to rescue his wifi.
Who is also a waifu.
>>47900320
What was it?
>>47900301
+1.
Draw your sword? Roll strength, fucker.
>>47900319
There's a fine line between messing with a character and going full NTR on the poor guy
>>47900319
This isn't something like 'my waifu got kidnapped'
This is 'The DM decided my waifu was going to fuck another girl'
>>47900319
>Write a straight, monogamous character
>GM spontaneously turns the character bisexual and polygamous
Anon stop.
>>47900319
It wasn't unexpected, it was contrary to an existing character's personality.
>>47900319
>Write that your dad is a NG Druid
>Walk in on him sacrificing a deer for Rovagug
>This is fine because it's an unpredictable development!
There are fucking limits and one was crossed
>>47900329
Robowaifus are best waifus.
Especially if they get you your internet.
>>47900354
>>47900350
That's is by definition unexpected.
Unless anon wrote in big bold fucking leaders she is 200% monogamous and straight, it was fair game.
It's not like people don't pretend to be straight for one reason or another irl.
>>47900380
>>47900341
Roll strength to take spell components out of the pouch. Roll strength to lift the holy symbol.
>>47900350
>Write a pure paladin of Sarenrae as your best friend.
>GM gives her evil Lamashtu powers and has her burn down an orphanage.
"What do you mean she's acting out of character?"
>>47900386
No, but generally a fantasy game won't be about people discovering their sexuality, especially when that sexuality is a complete surprise to the person that created the character.
>>47900398
I WANNA TOUCH IT AND TAKE PHOTOS.
>>47900406
Maybe there is a reason for that anon. Did you keep you eyes on her 24/7. People change for one reason or another.
>>47900386
Hey anon.
Imagine if I wrote a hardcore gay character that fucked around with his twink boytoy lover, and the two of us were inseparable...
... But then six sessions in I find the twink ball's deep inside the party bard! Don't you think that'd be a little bit of warping the character?
Why is it that people are so quick to assume straight characters *have* to be bisexual, or open to polygamy?
>>47900386
Essentially the DM decided to add something to a character he didn't create.
And I think the PC made it clear that they were in a dedicated romance. The DM was the one who injected his own fetish into the deal.
People should respect the borders of their Magical Realm and not try to push them on people.
>>47900446
Paizo.
>>47900434
>But she's been in every scenes with the party for the last 6 months, and there has been no logical character development arc that could have led to this.
>>47900308
>He powergamed a 5pb commoner
>MFW
>>47900477
Whoever is holding that gun is retarded
>>47900375
But anon!
The character was written as loving a man and being in an exclusive relationship!
CLEARLY this means she's possibly bisexual, or could enjoy a threesome with her man!
If the anon didn't explicitly state she isn't open to polygamy or munching on carpet, then OF COURSE she's possibly into all those things! Straight people just do this, they're bisexuals waiting to realize they love both genders!
Straight and monogamous aren't real orientations! They don't count!
>>47900380
>>47900477
Yea, I know. This is why I'm not supposed to play rangers or dwarves.
Newish GM here, going to do a one-shot with my friends and one of them is making a character with levels in Wizard and Sorcerer.
Is this some kind of cheese build that I should be aware of or is my friend just being retarded?
>>47900446
>... But then six sessions in I find the twink ball's deep inside the party bard! Don't you think that'd be a little bit of warping the character?
Maybe he wanted to be on top? Maybe the bard cast some charm spells? Some people can't help themselves, people are funny like that.
>>47900386
>Unless anon wrote in big bold fucking leaders she is 200% monogamous and straight, it was fair game.
Holy shit what the fuck kind of Paizo-tier retard logic is this.
If the character was written as loving dick and enjoying it from one man, then it's safe to assume the character is straight and believes in monogamy.
What kind of fucking dumb-dumb do you have to be to figure, "just because she's only fucking guys doesn't mean she doesn't like fucking girls."
>>47900541
The latter.
>>47900398
I'm wearing a skirt too... why won't you 'rrrow' me?
>>47900386
I dunno what kind of GM you are or play with, but my GM always asks us for permission if he wants to do anything to our characters' families, friends or loved ones.
Your next line will be "But what about the surprise factor?"
In response I say: as a mature adult I can play the 1-2 sessions before the reveal as if I didn't know.
There's this thing called GM/player trust, and the GM fucking up one of the backing NPCs of your character without asking is a clear breach of that trust, no matter the reasoning.
Your next line will be ">Nothing bad should ever happen to my character or any NPC he likes!"
In response I say: as a mature adult I can see when an unfortunate event befalling one of those NPCs would be a great story element, and have no issue allowing it if I am comfortable with the circumstances. For example, if the GM wanted to turn my character's wife into a lesbian that then divorces him, I'd obviously not agree. If the GM wanted that same NPC to be kidnapped, I'd have no issue with it. Meanwhile, having my character's cousin turn lesbian is perfectly fine by me.
>>47900548
>Maybe the bard cast some charm spells?
That isn't how charm works, if you cast charm on a person that isn't sexually attracted to you then they, at most, see you as a very close platonic friend.
>Maybe he wanted to be on top?
That isn't how orientation works, anon. Even if he was pounding her tight hole from behind it would still be wrong because *it's still a girl.*
>>47900553
I figured as much.
>>47900559
FLESH AND BLOOD PIG DISGUSTING
>>47900541
Just make sure there isn't some weird thing where they are trying to get two familiars or some weird crap. Otherwise, there used to be a PrC called Ultimate Magus which was cheez whiz.
Aside from that I can only see two things. (a) they're smart about it and fill their sorceror spells with damage spells while their wizard uses evocation as a prohibited school (b) they get out paced by always being behind on higher level spells.
>>47900552
>If the character was written as loving dick and enjoying it from one man, then it's safe to assume the character is straight and believes in monogamy
Was she though? You're just echoing my point.
>, "just because she's only fucking guys doesn't mean she doesn't like fucking girls."
>I've only seen this man eat apples
>he must not eat oranges, ever.
>>47900630
That's not how it works and even a pathetic autist that would post on 4chan would fucking know it, anon.
>>47900584
It is how the diplomacy skill works though.
I tell you youre a lesbian and you want to murder your spouse, and if my skill roll if high enough, I've just redefined your personality. Welcome to pathfinder.
>>47900630
Nice b8 m8 I r8 8/8
>>47900630
Apples aren't penises, anon.
>>47900630
>>47900541
Tell them to just play an Arcanist instead. Same flavor, less worries for you about missing abuses or cheese.
>>47900651
Speak for yourself
>>47900651
>Apples aren't penises, anon.
So people who like penises don't eat oranges?
>>47900671
Alsoa better class than just Wizard
>>47900701
Anon...
>>47900630
Even with that in mind, a factor bisexuals are fairly keen to remind people of to get rid of the "all bisexuals are sluts" cliche is that a bisexual person can still be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship (or a monogamous homosexual one) without being gay or straight. They're still bi, that doesn't mean they can't be monogamous.
Besides, unlike real life, there's no guesswork in this. You can write down for each character what their orientation is if for some reason that's important.
That said, jesus, I have never seen a GM mess with an NPC love interest like that. I'm a foreverGM and I work with what my players have in mind when they end up waifuing an NPC or have a backstory love interest. I've never heard of a GM so moronic he'd fuck with that and expect the player to take that lying down.
>>47900524
>Straight just means you don't know you're bisexual yet
Why is this a thing? I've ran into people trying to push this before, it's annoying as fuck.
>>47900751
People who live an alternative sexual orientation are very keen to recruit people to their way of life since they are unable to have children of their own to propagate their lifestyle for them.
>>47900524
I know this is supposed to be a joke, but the sad part is there are people who actually believe this shit
>>47900738
The characters were childhood friends and it seems like they've known no one else but each other since they were old enough to fuck.
It's safe to say she was straight, not some bisexual butterfly just waiting for an opportunity to get out of her heteronormative cocoon.
>>47900770
/Pol/ is that way jackass.
>>47900791
And Paizo is the other way
>>47900751
>>47900782
This is part of the reason homosexuals don't like bisexuals.
>>47900791
You're free to share your own thoughts, drone.
>>47900787
I agree with you, but I'm also pointing out even if she WAS bisexual it wouldn't matter because she was already in a committed relationship with anon's character.
Real life bisexuals don't typically wander around with a woman on one arm and a man on the other having threesomes all the time. The GM should take the player's word for it that their love interest isn't bi, and fucking NOBODY should assume a PC and an NPC that are engaged are going to be OK with polyamory unless the PC is into that.
Heh, this whole thing reminds me...
>About 8 years ago
>Playing 3.5 in college
>Party Barbarian has managed to gain the admiration of a princess
>Adorable antics ensue whenever we're having downtime in the city
>They get engaged and are planning to marry once the party's quest is over and peace returns to the land
>This loving relationship lasts 2 or so years in-game
>Long story short, we get stuck in a slow-time demiplane for an apparent week, but it's actually a year outside of it
>When we come back, the princess has married some unknown NPC
>The princess suddenly acts like a total bitch towards the barbarian
And so comes one of my favorite inside jokes...
>Stanley, take off your glasses, I'm going to punch you
The group fell apart after that.
Nobody really talked to Stanley after that either since we only knew him through DnD.
Heh.
>>47900871
>Nobody really talked to Stanley after that either since we only knew him through DnD.
Do you think these people ever realize just how much they stand to lose for what's probably just one or two minutes of mild sexual thrills?
>>47900835
This. Bisexuals who are in a committed relationship work like dogs to make sure the relationship stays stable and good. Before commitment they can be sluts, but you get their commitment and they are YOURS.
>>47900889
Likely not
>>47900320
You know what's worse?
When the DM recognizes they fucked up, and instead of retconning their shit they throw a waifu at your character next session as some sort of large-breasted fruit basket.
I wanted the apples I planted myself you fuckwit, not some arrangement of pineapples and melons you scrounged up with an apology.
>>47900541
Wizard /Sorcerer is the textbook definition of retarded. Just tell him to play an Arcanist and tell him its exactly what he wants so it wont hurt his feelings when you point out how fucking stupid he is.
>>47900895
>This. Bisexuals who are in a committed relationship work like dogs to make sure the relationship stays stable and good. Before commitment they can be sluts, but you get their commitment and they are YOURS.
Anon please, don't make it sound like they work any harder than the average heterosexual in making sure the relationship endures.Besides, sluts are typically bad at holding relationships together anyway. That's why they're sluts.
>>47898036
Not to tip my fedora, but that would be proof that the goods were douches if I was in the setting.
>>47900613
Ultimate Magus was very far from "cheese", it was one of the few examples of a dual-progression done well.
>>47900541
Crossblooded Sorcerer 1 / Wizard X is a surprisingly common blasting build.
