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Level 20 faggot
>>47842641
Level 21 DIO
Str: DIO
Dex: DIO
Con: DIO
Int: DIO
Wis: DIO
Cha: DIO
Resistance: Muda
>>47842641
Size/Type: Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 5d10+25 (52 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 15 (–1 size, +1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 14
Base Attack/Grapple: +5/+14
Attack: Claw +9 melee (1d6+5)
Full Attack: 2 claws +9 melee (1d6+5) and bite +4 melee (1d8+2)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 21, Dex 12, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills: Listen +8, Spot +8
Feats: Alertness, Track
Environment: Temperate forests
Organization: Solitary, pair, or pack (3–8)
Challenge Rating: 4
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 6–8 HD (Large); 9–15 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: —You thought it was Dio, but it was me, Owlbear!
what if dio got his hands on the red stone of aja + mask? what if Perfect Dio attained Heaven?
>>47842892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbZelm1-X9g
>>47842892
He'd got Josephed.
>>47842892
Dio isn't a pillar man, he probably wouldn't become an ultimate being from getting aja-masked.
>>47842840
10/9
>>47842944
> Part 2 Joseph - master ruseman
> Part 3 Joseph - crotchety old man who's not the ruseman he used to be
> Part 4 Joseph - senile old man who's best years were completely behind him
what happened?
>>47843513
If Joseph had stayed fit and competent through all three arcs, he would have handled DIO and all of Moiroh on his own no problem.
Had to make room for the new characters.
>>47843513
Old age.
>>47843823
More than that, his injuries sustainedin Part 2, and furthered in Part 3, lessened his ability to use the ripple.
>>47843513
Didn't keep up his Hamon training, old age caught up with him bad. I'd love to see Master Ruseman alongside different generations of JoJo's.
I still think he was pretty good in Part 3, he just wasn't the main character, so less chances for antics.
>>47842798
This post is the best post.
>>47843941
I'm pretty sure his injuries really didn't impair his use of Hamon past part 2, it's just that he kinda stopped training after he beat Kars. By Part 3 I'm guessing all he's capable of doing is more fundamental stuff seeing how that's all he does. In Part 4 I'm just gonna assume he can't do the breathing techniques anymore.
>>47842641
Dio was an adult Human with
STR: 12
DEX: 14
CON: 10
INT: 16
WIS: 12
CHA: 16
Add custom vampire template
STR: 12+2
DEX: 14+4
CON: -
INT: 16
WIS: 12
CHA: 16
Use CHA as CON, adding his former CON modifier to his CHA modifier when asked for a CON mod. If he takes CON damage, it's CHA damage instead.
Sunlight and Hamon damage incur CHA damage.
Can use racial template's blood drain attack to use the target's remaining healing surges, healing one CHA damage for each surge stolen. Blood drain is just a touch attack.
Jonathan is an adult human with
STR: 16
DEX: 12
CON: 16
INT: 14
WIS: 14
CHA: 14
So stolen body Dio is
STR: 16+2
DEX: 12+4
CON: -
INT: 16
WIS: 12
CHA: 16
With the above template powers, as well as using Jonathan's CON modifier.
At part 3, DIO gains The World; and Hermit Green or whatever from Jonathan's body, but that's a plot hole.
The World, aside from punchghost powers has the abilityTime Stop: [CON mod] times per day, DIO canstop timegiving him anadditional standard action. Using this more than [CON mod] each day incurs one CON damage each time.
So Dio's a lucky fuck that his power and template stack so nicely.
>>47844588
Hamon training is hard, and Joseph is a lazy cheating fuck.
That doesn't mean he can't remember how to do it in a pinch, since his natural ripple is really strong.
Word of god is apparently that stand powers are much more free and loose, which Joseph likes a lot more. So upon getting Hermit Purple, he started using that significantly more. And, to be fair, Hermit Purple is actually really good.
>>47844809
That brimg said, the fact that he spilled water out of a cup durring the gamble episide really upset me. The first thing he learned from Lisa Lisa was basically hoe to tip a glass upside down and have the water not move at all.
What the fuck are you talking 10 or 16 charisma. Dio causes people to kill themselves with how charismatic he is. People instantly pledge their lives to him. He's the God of Charisma.
>>47845143
He had to be in contact with the glass to channel ripple through it.
>>47842641
Level 20 Obnoxious Overplayed Stale Forced Meme
>>47845143
I'm pretty sure D'arby would have called him out on his bullshit if he used the hamon to keep the water in the cup.
>>47845216
Could transfer it through the wood
>>47845249
We're talking about ruise master joseph here. If Araki wanted it, it would have happened.
>>47845282
Ripple sparks would be hard for even a master rusemen to hide.
>>47845282
Unfortunately Joseph gets criminally underutilized starting in part 3.
I don't know why he ever made the black hole of characterization that is Jotaro, but he's the worst That Guy in the series.
Every plot has to include him somehow, he's the strongest and most experienced guy in the room, etc.
>>47845191
Who the fuck said 10?
I should have said that he puts stats into it starting at and throughout part three, however.
I'm happy with how Joseph was handled throughout the series. I mean, for what it's worth it's totally true that had he continued his ripple training as Straights had done, he would possibly have been competent enough to defeat DIO on his own.
>>47845399
Araki nerfs the Jojos every part after their introduction. Aside from Joseph becoming way more senile than he should be, Jotaro doesn't do much in Part 4 and in Part 6 he's literally out of commission for 90% of the story and then dies shortly after he comes back.
>>47845863
>Aside from Joseph becoming way more senile than he should be
I think Joseph is doing pretty good for a guy that got blown into low orbit, had all of his blood drained and then put back in, and once had a Stand hold a dance party in his brain.
>>47842641
>>47845143
>the fact that he spilled water out of a cup durring the gamble episide really upset me
Drove me nuts as well.
>>47844077
Fuck that's a good point, if he had trained he could have lived for a couple hundred years like Straizo, remaining in peak condition as well. What a shame that he's a lazy guy.
>>47845191
That's a vampiric power, not a result of his natural charisma score.
>>47850385
Straits only lived to like 75. Granted that was because he was killed considering he looked like a dude in his 50s. I think it's implied Lisa Lisa either died shortly before or is still alive during Stardust Crusaders given Joseph mentioned he talked to her sometime after 1984.
>>47843513
>> Part 4 Joseph - senile old man who's best years were completely behind him
But at least we got feels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkzhrmGDqs
>>47842641
Not strong enough to beat a maid
>>47851831
Fool! Dio is her guru.
>>47851897https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYD1FUdB0bc
>>47842798
>not AC: ZA WARUDO
Shit tier.
>>47843513
Like, it was sad to see it happen, but it fit his character perfectly.
He was always lazy and easily distracted, so of course he's going to not keep up on his training.
If he had, he wouldn't have been Joseph.
Also, he's the only Joestar to actually make it to old age, and the only one to get an actual, happy ending.
>>47851968
>no research
Ok.
>>47851807
I love the last little hints in all of Part 4 that Joseph isn't nearly as senile as he pretends to be.
>>47852006
I don't remember any hint or trace of senility in his actions in part 4, real or pretended. His problems are his rapidly declined health (hence why he's always asking people to repeat and misundertand them) and that he's lost all of his former confidence and spirit due to this.
He's not senile, he's just meek because he's decrepit and depressed about it.
>>47852041
I mean, it's been forever since I read the manga, but the anime introduction to him is asking where his cane is when he's holding it.
And the whole plot of the invisible baby hinges on no one believing him because they think he's senile.
>>47852005
Sakuya is legit stronger than Dio. She has all his powers but better save the Stand, and she lacks his sun weakness.
I mean, Dio loses to Jojo. How's he gonna cope with someone who can stop and start time indefinitely?
>>47852005
>Dio has only two-three years worth of experience in fighting as a vampire
>Sakuya has been active for centuries, fighting back those who think they can take on Remilia
Ok.
>>47842798
>Resistance: Muda
>>47852055
>And the whole plot of the invisible baby hinges on no one believing him because they think he's senile.
Not really, the disbelief goes away too quickly to say that this is what the whole arc hinges on.
>I mean, it's been forever since I read the manga, but the anime introduction to him is asking where his cane is when he's holding it.
Haven't you had or hear the stories where people of all ages are looking for something that's literally in their hand the whole time?
Either way, all of this can be attributed to senility, but I think it's a) him being distracted by his old-age depression, and b) Araki needing him to _look_ senile to set up a twist with the invisible baby, besides generally just hitting us right in the feels. Joseph's senile moments end literally the moment Josuke finds out that the invisibaby is actually real.
>>47852097
But does she hashis chaWRYYYsma?
>>47843513
He was unfaithful to his wife is what happened, the guilt destroyed him from the inside.
>>47844685
Have you ever seen Jonathan and Dio? STR 16 isn't even close.
>>47843513
>Implying P4's Joseph isn't (at least partially) faking the senility to make his life easier/use it as an excuse to fuck with people.
When actual serious shit starts going down, that aspect all but disappears He's just found a new and easier way to ruse.
>>47852140
I'm not even an old man and i've done that "oh I was looking for that exact thing that was in my hands all along" deal
>>47847490
>Law: 35
Bitch please, Dio majored that shit.
>>47852097
How does anyone cope with that?
>>47854078
I'd drink. Heavily.
>>47844685
I don't think that with the D&D you can correctly represent the stats of Dio and the rest of the JoJo cast.
>>47853367
>When actual serious shit starts going down, that aspect all but disappears He's just found a new and easier way to ruse.
Nope, he actually is like that. Hell, in the end he gets pickpocketed (by being rused).
>>47844685
Fuck off with that 4rry shit
>>47851968
>>47852097
>>47852106
Only stands can hurt other stands.
Only stand users can see other stands.
She would be wiped out before there was even a fight and have no idea why.
>>47855534
The World, being a CC stand,has very limited range, and Dio is still a vampire that is very vulnerable to sunlight.
This would depend on which Dio we're talking because he becomes much more powerful with each second more he can stop time for.
>>47855301
Joseph was never immune to getting fucked with as well, and could be dense as a brick at times.
>>47856306
"Scary Monsters" Dio vs Sakuya then. Who wins?
>>47853686
Right, I'll get to fixing that, then.
>>47847490
The hell is this?
>>47856668
Sakuya, easy. Scary Monsters turns things into dinosaurs, including Diego, but none of that can compare to legit Time Stops.
Now, the real question. Is there anybody who can defeat Eyes Over Heaven Dio?
>>47856927
Anima: Beyond fantasy.
>>47856934
>Sakuya, easy. Scary Monsters turns things into dinosaurs, including Diego, but none of that can compare to legit Time Stops.
You'll have to tell me a bit more how exactly she uses those time stops before I can reply to that.
>>47855534
Now, I have no idea who this other character we're pitting DIO against is, but here's the thing about stands in multi franchise mashups:
Stands are the psychic powers of the Jojo universe. The whole point is that Araki wanted to add psychic powers to Jojo but wanted them to be more visually interesting. For example, what normal folk think is telekinesis is just a stand going out and moving shit around.
So if we mash Jojo into another franchise it stands to reason that any characters with psychic powers would be able to see stands and any psychic attacks would be able to harm them.
Again, I don't know who this other vampire chick is, but if she's psychic she'd probably be able to see The World.
>>47857195
Sakuya's a normal human.
But looking up her info her time powers seem retardedly OP since there's no stated limit, but apparently that's every touhou character anyways.
>>47855534
>Only stands can hurt other stands.
Yeah, but you don't need a stand to hurt a stand user.
>>47857195
It's touhou shit anon, just don'the try, touhou fags are a special brand of autistic and retarded
>>47855534
>She would be wiped out before there was even a fight and have no idea why.
Except that she can stop time indefinitely from a distance greater than Dio can. And he has a few centuries worth of experience fighting on Dio, who has been inactive for most of his half-assed unlife.
>>47856934
Heirophant green Over Heaven
Sleeps with all mother figures and sires every human in existence
>>47857889
*she has a few
>>47857387
>>47857677
>But looking up her info her time powers seem retardedly OP since there's no stated limit, but apparently that's every touhou character anyways.
Touhou characters aren't retardedly OP. They just never explain how their powers work, and then some fans take this as a license to make up whatever rules they want and present them as true.
Like, Remilia (Sakuya's master) is a vampire who can "control fate", so you get a ton of people insisting this makes her invincible. Except in canon she can't control fate all, she just likes to spout melodramatic bullshit because she thinks it sounds cool.
The majority of people who bring up Touhou power levels are basing their arguments on fanfics. Power levels are irrelevant to canon Touhou, because 90% of problems are resolved through duels or trickery (both of which are nonlethal).
Like this joker here >>47857889
>Except that she can stop time indefinitely from a distance greater than Dio can. And he has a few centuries worth of experience fighting on Dio, who has been inactive for most of his half-assed unlife.
Dio's time stop canonically has infinite range.
The only thing known about Sakuya's past is that it's a mystery. Other characters speculate that maybe she ages slower because she has time powers, but they're not even sure of that. There certainly isn't anything as concrete as "centuries of fighting experience".
>>47842641
>HP WWWRRRRRYYYY
>STR 18
>DEX 20
>CON 20
>INT 16
>WIS 16
>CHA 20
>>47858229
Sakuya could honestly be one of the most badass vampire hunters to ever exist only to be defeated by Remilia, or she could even be a homeless street urchin that Remilia happened upon and decided to make her a pet dog, or she could just be a normal human who was blessed with control over time and space that decided to find an ojousama.
Hell, considering the nature of Gensokyo, any of those could be true depending on how many people believe it.
>>47857195
Only problem with that is that Stands aren't psychic. That alien dude who had legit psychic powers couldn't see Stands.
>>47858497Or a Lunarianwhich is actually implied quite heavily
>>47857900
>Hermit Purple Over Heaven
Can see everything everywhere, in past, present, and future, and can create infinite ruses based on this knowledge. Takes the form of a silver spiked cross. Purges darkness and vampirism within 10 feet of it instantly.Still jobs.
>>47858497
>Hell, considering the nature of Gensokyo, any of those could be true depending on how many people believe it.
That was never the nature of Gensokyo. Heck, "things are becoming true because people believe in them" was the plot of Urban Legend in Limbo, which everyone treated as strange and frightening. And even that wasn't anywhere near the scale you're describing.
Gensokyo is just a valley in Japan with two mythals cast on it. The first (Yukari's Barrier of Fantasy and Reality) causes supernatural things to be drawn there. The second (the Great Hakurei Barrier) conceals it from the world and prevents sentient beings from entering or leaving except by the effects of the first mythal. Anything else is a general property of metaphysics in the setting.
>ITT: Reasonable Touhoufag
Holy shit, that's even more impossible than Reasonable Marinefags or Reasonable Ponyfags. Treasure him, give him your wine and women, for he's an endangered species.
>>47859217
Most tuhufags who actually know their shit know it's hopeless trying to talk sense into idiots.
In the minds of the memelords manipulating borders means you can do anything , manipulating ice means you can freeze the universe to absolute zero in an instant and the canon doesn't matter at all.
>>47858756
Isn't that just the final boss ofBleach?
>>47857889
And she would not know there was a fight until after she died since she cannot fucking sense or harm Dio's stand.
>>47858229
>because 90% of problems are resolved through duels or trickery (both of which are nonlethal).
Or just hurling bullets in pretty patterns.
is jojo 'venture worth watching
>>47861793
Skip to season 3 and watch a few episodes, and if you're into it, go back to season 1 and start watching. It's a love-it or hate-it sort of show. If you like it, you'll love the shit outta it.
>>47861980
Why do that though?
Part 1 and 2 can be watched and enjoyed even if you wouldn't like part 3.
I think it would make more sense to watch from the beginning, and stop whenever it isn't enjoyable anymore.
>>47862032
Agreed, but I personally can't stand part 4 and this is speaking as someone who thoroughly enjoyed reading it
>>47858743
>>47858497
Another idea banded about is that she's Jack the Ripper.
>>47862032
Part 3 is when Araki really catches his flow, and when all the most memorable and iconic parts of Jojo start to be included in the series. I'll give you that parts 1 and 2 are completely different though, so I'll recommend watching those even if one didn't like part 3.
>>47862072
Part 4 anime is super comfy, what's there to hate?
>>47861793
Yes, with the caveat that parts 1-3 ARE your granddaddies anime.
>>47861980
But season 3 of the anime is the second half of Stardust Crusaders.
Stardust Crusaders is the most famous because of its popularity in Japan, but the most popular part outside Japan is probably Battle Tendency (which is in the first season of the anime).
>>47856934
Jotaro
>>47858756
What's the difference between an Over Heaven stand and a Requiem stand?
>>47862532
Imagine a Requiem Stand, but even more so.
If Dio got The World Requiem, he'd be able to completely control the flow of time (reverse, stop, make it go forwards), for as long as a duration as Dio himself can personally withstand. The World: Over Heaven can stop the flow of time indefinitely, can rewrite reality by punching things.
Said Reality Rewrites can be use for anything. He teleports by punching himself and rewriting himself as somewhere else., he summons lightning by punching the air, he sends people into alternate dimensions by punching them, etc.
This ability is so strong it overwrites the previously unbeatable offensive power of Tusk: Act 4 and unbeatable defensive powers of Gold Experience: Requiem.
>>47862532
"The World Over Heaven" is the Stand of an alternate version of DIO from a videogame.
http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/Heaven_Ascension_DIO
http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/The_World_Over_Heaven
>>47858706
Was he really an alien though? Or just a bit crazy?
Just because he couldn't see stands doesn't mean he wasn't a user. There are stands that can be seen by normal people (like Strength and Superfly), so why not a user that can't see stands?
Other rules are broken, so we know they have exceptions. Like how Harvest doesn't have damage feedback with the user, or how Notorious B.I.G. doesn't disappear when it's user dies.
Maybe Earth Wind and Fire is another exception, its user can't see stands.
>>47863166
Stranger things have happened in Jojo, so my bet is he's an alien. We already have ancient Mayan vampires that feed through their fingers, so it isn't too much of a stretch. It's more simple than his Stand suddenly disobeying all the rules at once, and is implied. Also:
>Harvest doesn't have damage feedback with the user
It does, but it's spread out 1000 times, since the bees are so numerous. Mista's bullets do something similar.
>>47842982
Maybe, but wasn't Santana suggested to have transcended humanity to become a pillar man relatively recently? I'm kinda fuzzy on how he worked, but if anyone could make it work I'd think Dio could.
>>47863398
You have to be born a pillar man anon.
>>47863398
No he was one of the babies (along with Wham) that Kars and Esidisi took under their wing when they killed off the rest of the Pillar Men race. The other three all got their elemental modes via the stone mask. Santana was basically the runt of the litter and they left him behind in Mexico.
>>47863398
Eh. It says he's the youngest, but pillar men are born, not made.
>>47863497
I see. Being Santana was/is still shit.
>>47843810
Josephs stand isn't that good for fighting fighting most stands though. The only reason Jotaro beat him was because they basically have the same stand.
>>47864009
Well Joseph would have been better for killing DIO at least because he can use Hamon. That would have been more interesting than just Jotaro punching DIO's bad leg so hard that The World exploded.
>>47864009
You do realize that Joseph's stand, if he'd have kept up on his training, would have fucking rocked Dio sideways, right?
Like, the biggest disadvantage of Hamon was that you had to get close to a vampire to use it, putting you up close to a vampire.
Joseph could channel his Hamon through his stand though, which gave him insane reach.
Hell, as an old man totally out of training with his Hamon, he basically built a defense that Dio couldn't break in a straight up fight, forcing Dio to have to do some shit to actually get his hits in.
If Joseph had kept up on his Hamon training and learned to mix it with his stand, he'd have destroyed Dio, straight up.
>>47864800
How? DIO can stop time. He has no counter for that.
>>47843513
Why didn't they feed Joseph Italian food until he stopped being senile?
>>47864967
Araki just refused to make Joseph cooler in any way possible. He didn't even fight Alessi which was wasted on Jotaro being OP as usual.
>>47864913
Well, before we go any further, note that I'm not talking out of my ass.Araki said that in his prime Joseph would have rocked Dio, Time Stop or no.
And once again, an old man Joseph who'd lapsed on his training was able to straight up counter Dio's ability to attack him, even with time stopped. The combo of Hamon and a decently ranged stand would have given Joseph a pretty big edge against Dio, who ultimately relied on getting close to do anything.
>>47865013
Joseph always seemed like he was intended to be the black sheep of the family, and even the fact that he made it into his senior years is a sign of that.
I mean, sure, Joseph ended up kind of a joke, if still cool in Part 3, and an old man in Part 4, but he was ultimately the only Joestar to actually be happy all his life. Every other Jojo in the family has died young and tragically.
>>47865973
Well I'm not going to say I don't believe you, and while I can think of a few ways it could have happened (like channeling Hamon through Hieophant Green's threads during the 20 Meter Emerald Splash), I would like a source.
>>47864967
>Finally under the prompting of Josuke, Joseph goes to Tonio's
>Tonio figures out the perfect dish to fix his dementia
>It's pasta
>Ink pasta
>When prompted to eat, all Joseph can reply with is the anguished cries of "CAESAR!"
>>47868015
>"CAESAR!"
>not "SHIIIIZAAA!"
One job, anon.
>>47851968
while i do agree with some of the outcomes like superman vs goku or any character fighting someone who's immortal they really don't do any research at all
