Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>Playing?
>Brewing?
>Favorite deck?
>Your local Meta?
>Next MTG Purchase?
The updated Modern Metagame is below.
The overall Modern Metagame.
Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml
The paper Modern Metagame.
Reminder if you play with fakes you deserve anything bad that happens to you
>>47836648
Unban dark depths when
>Playing?
Jeskai Harbinger, Grixis Control/Midrange, Kiki-Chord.
>Brewing?
Jeskai Kiki-Harbinger.
>Favorite deck?
The above 3.
>Your local Meta?
Tier 1 minus Affinity, Tier 2 minus Merfolk + Ad Nauseam, and all Tier 3.
>Next MTG Purchase?
Possibly the new Emerakul from Eldrich Moon.
Thoughts on Abzan Blink ? Some guy did fairly well with it at one SGC and since I see it pop here and there online.
Seems a lot of fun too.
Here's a sample deck for references.
>>47836722
>Anything bad
Like wasting 150 dollars on a cardboard piece?
Need some feedback on my Eldrazi and Taxes brew.
Creature (30)
2x Dryad Militant
3x Eldrazi Displacer
3x Flickerwisp
4x Leonin Arbiter
2x Reality Smasher
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Tidehollow Sculler
4x Wasteland Strangler
Land (21)
4x Caves of Koilos
4x Eldrazi Temple
4x Ghost Quarter
3x Godless Shrine
4x Plains
1x Shambling Vent
1x Swamp
Artifact (5)
4x AEther Vial
1x Relic of Progenitus
Instant (4)
4x Path to Exile
Sideboard (15)
2x Kataki, War's Wage
2x Kor Firewalker
2x Leonin Relic-Warder
3x Rest in Peace
2x Sin Collector
2x Spellskite
2x Zealous Persecution
Any tips welcome
>>47836671
>storm appears at bottom of paper tier 3
BANS WHEN?
>>47836753
I hope I'm not being dense but why is Emrakul in the deck?
>>47836947
Nahiri, you dummy.
Would a card like this help to make a delver a stronger deck?
>>47836971
Fuck off.
>>47836940
>In the sake of modern diversity, we have decided to ban serum visons
>>47836971
Delver is good. You just have to pretend it's legacy.
RUG with Disrupting shoals
>>47836947
In this brew Nahiri can tutor up either an Emrakul or a combo piece depending on your current board-state. The 2x Deceiver and 1x Pestermite can tap problematic creatures or artifacts for Nahiri to exile. The Restoration Angels increase synergy with all creatures.
>>47836756
looks like a pretty tight list. I would consider dismember over path just because you could probably afford the life loss.
>>47837133
if you flicker emrakul with angel the nahiri trigger to return it to your hand no longer works right?
>>47836722
Just purchased Zendikar fetches and goyfs from chinaman
Feels great
>>47837218
Yes, you keep the Emrakul in play.
>>47837222
How much did you end up paying ?
>>47837432
97 usd
Also grabbed 3 leyline of sanctity
>>47837494
I mean I guess it's cheaper than the real cards but paying $100 for cards that you can't even use in gps seems loose...
>>47837577
>can't even use in gps
People use fakes all the time.
>>47837577
I don't go to GPs. It's better than 1000+ dollars for me
>>47837658
yeah but if your opponent isn't a nub and notices you get dq'd
>>47837679
if you don't go to gps or other tournaments where someone will notice a fake then why the fuck do you need a tier 1 deck
>>47837692
>need a tier 1 deck
I don't need one I enjoy playing with these cards. Why are you upset?
>>47837704
it just seems loose to me, spending that much money on fakes. your cash though so I guess it doesn't matter.
>>47837692
>yeah but if your opponent isn't a nub and notices you get dq'd
Not him but honestly, the modern 2 set from villa is really good. Especially the fetches
Double sleeve that shit and nobody is gonna say anything
thoughts on my deck for casual play?
how had will I get dumped on?
what should I change?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blueblack-horror-4/
>>47837874
hard*
>>47837874
You have nowhere near enough instants or sorceries to make delver flip reliably. Let alone thing in the ice
>>47837939
what should i swap
>>47836878
Anyone ?
This is now bootleg general
>>47838795
>Temple of Mystery
why
>>47836878
How much should it cost?
>>47836878
I would cut the reality smashers for a 4th wisp and a 4th displacer but I've literally never played with or against this deck so keep that in mind
>>47838917
About the same price really, not more than 500$
>>47838922
Every list seem to run them so idk. Maybe I could cut the dryad Militants, which are my personal addition to the deck and felt a good choice against spell hevy matchups.
>>47836878
The dryad militant seems like a nice touch, but i think youre playing too many one-drops. I might cut relic too, as there are already enough cards that enable Wasteland Stranglr.
What do you think of Warden of the Beyond?
>>47839062
3 mana 4/4 is bad against 2 mana 4/5
>>47838795
What is the website to chinaman? And do you have comparisons between Real and fake?
>>47839155
Villa zheng YouTube.
His email is there
>>47839062
Yhea maybe I should get rid of relic for a fourth displacer.
So, Jund seems to be a very popular deck but what about Junk and Mardu ? They are kinda similar in their cardpool and gameplan.
Could someone give me a rundown of the strenghts and weaknesses of these decks compared to Jund ?
Any interesting FNM stories?
>>47838795
>that guy who carries around a bootleg legacy deck and tries to convince others it's real
>>47839491
>Abzan
Does fine.
>Mardu
Can't run Abrupt Decay.
>>47836671
>junk is now tier3
why live.
>>47839756
junk is tier 1 bud just gotta play anafenza and viscera seer instead of goyf and rhino :^)
>>47839491
>Junk
Has Path to Exile. Grinds you with creatures like Siege Rhino or Lingering Souls. It can go aggressive with Loxodon Smiter, and Wilt-Leaf Liege. Has a ton of value creatures in G/W like Kitchen Finks, Voice of Resurgence, and Knight of the Reliquary. No Lightning Bolt, or Kologhan's Command.
>Mardu
Also runs Path to Exile. Usually more of a tempo deck. Can switch gears from being responsive to aggressive with Lightning Bolt and tokens generated with Young Pyrmancer and Lingering Souls. It has access to some of the best planeswalkers in Modern: Liliana of the Veil, Ajani Vengeant, Nahiri, the Harbinger, and arguably Sorin, Solemn Visitor. The drawback is that its creatures are fairly fragile and that it can't run Abrupt Decay, one of the best removal spells in Modern.
>>47837112
Look, I posted it again
>>47840133
I wasn't talking about your shit deck. This pile is awful
>>47840133
that's a hot meme friend
Honestly though I don't think UR delver is that bad right now, I think it's favored against jund, abzan, and infect. I've been playing this list and it feels pretty decent. Yung Peezy is a pretty unfair magic card.
>>47837721
>spending that much money on fakes
Yet somehow spending that much on "authentic" cardboard feels so much better?
Zheng goes for like $3 a card, you can get an entire set of duals and fetches for less than the cost of a single Scalding Tarn.
If you get deck checked, you're an idiot. Literally every criticism of the quality of current fakes are only relevant to assholes trying to buylist/trade them off.
>>47839756
Is Junk even bad in this meta or is it just that people who play those colors prefer the chord decks?
Would a card like this see play in modern?
>>47840473
>If you get deck checked, you're an idiot
What do you mean by this?
>>47836671
>Eldrazi Tier 3
>Storm Tier 3
>Delver doesn't exist
C o m p e t i t i v e D i v e r s i t y, DCI bans cards, not decks, right?
>>47840554
(You)
>>47840059
>>47839618
Is Abrupt Decay so important that it ruins Mardu not playing it ? Mardu has Terminate, which is just barely inferior if you consider that it isn't really relevant in matchups where it can be countered anyway.
I think what handicaps Mardu is more the lack of Goyf than the fact it can't run Abrupt Decay. But again, Pyromancer is a fine replacement imho. Maybe if wizards ever print a good red beater at two mana Mardu will prevail
>>47840782
>Terminate, which is just barely inferior
El Oh El
You really think it's comparable? The uncounterable part isn't why it's great in modern
>>47840854
What non-creature permanents are even worth destroying anyway. Don't say Lili, because you can bolt her.
Unless you play against some frindge decks like lantern, not that much.
Also, if Abrupt Decay is so important, why most Jund lists run only 2 of them mainboard instead of a full playset ?
>>47840969
Blood moon
Most of affinity
LILI - why use terminate you can just bolt everything lmao
Chalice
Vial
Shackles
So on
>>47840969
>What non-creature permanents are even worth destroying anyway
Cranial Plating, Aether Vial, Liliana of the Veil, Oblivion Stone. And I mean, the fact that it also hits most creatures on top of this is sort of the reason. You're also automatically protected against any rogue decks that come along. Someone's brought Jeskai Ascendancy? You're fine. Faeries? Eat shit Bitterblossom.
>>47841094
>>47841156
Ok I concede to you that it is indeed very efficient.
I'm still sceptical about the fact that not having access to 2 cards of a 60 cards decks invalidates Mardu, especially when it still has some efficient answers to basically everything postboard.
>>47841210
Mardu isn't bad. It's just GB is grossly powerful and efficient with its card combinations and sheer power.
>>47841210
It has answers to everything, but not answers to anything. You're playing a worse Jund/Abzan in game 1, then boarding to be no better than them. Don't get me wrong I tried to make a grindy Margu deck a while back, but you just lack the raw dumb power of GBx. Butcher of the Horde is a sweet 4 drop that threatens to have lifelink, Vault of the Archangel is insane with Young Pyromancer/Lingering Souls/Grim Lavamancer, Kher Keep blocks a Goyf forever and can pick up your Batterskull, but damn son you just don't have the answers. The deck might be better now than fair decks seem to be doing well.
>>47841210
Mardu looks very strong right now anon.
LOOK AT THESE GOODSTUFFS
-Bolt
-Path
-Helix
-Terminate
-Lilly
-Inquisition/Thoughtseize
-Lingering Souls
-Bob
-Kcommand
-Painful Truths
-Anguished Unmaking
-Timely Reinforcements
...And many more!
>>47841471
Helix is the only one exclusive to mardu
The rest can be slotted intoJund or junk
>>47841261
>>47841230
With SoI, Mardu can also run the Nahiri combo, something that Jund and Junk can't do.
But then, Jeskai seems more fit to do that so it might be a waste of space.
>>47841633
>Muh Nuheeree
Slowly dropping in price ever since SCG offloaded their hoard.
>>47841684
But Jeskai harbinger did well, what are you talking about.
what do you guys wager is the chance mox opal will be the next ban? im thinking about making an affinity deck but to me it seems that mox is the best target for a future ban
>>47841795
Source? Your ass?
>>47841874
Mtggoldfish and mtgtop8
>>47841867
You're fine for the summer. Start worrying when Kaladesh spoilers hit.
>>47841931
Affinity will get nothing good from that set
>>47840554
to have the changeling type it would have to be a tribal instant. Would you custom card shitters at least try?
>>47841867
Probably not until next year. But imo thats still unlikely because Modern stopped being a Protour format, and Affinity is very easily hated out.
>but you need to sideboard cards for Affinity exclusively!
Affinity is the greatest threat running artifacts yes but there's also Lantern Control and all those Thopter Foundry and Swords of the Meek decks so the artifact hate is not exclusive to Affinity.
Its also only below 5% of the meta.
Modern is a better format now that Twin is gone
>>47842435
>Look mommy, i told them!!
>>47842512
Lol you're mad as fuck
>>47842435true
what impact would Counterspell have in Modern?
Do you think that the Kaladesh block will bring back Artifacts dominance like Mirrodin did back in the days ?
Is GW Hatebears still playable? A good idea?
>>47842980
yes and yes, but I think you might want to play Eldrazi and Taxes instead : similar gameplay but seems to score better.
>>47842967
God no. It'll be lame pnk clones and anything good will be overcosted because they're afraid it may be good
>>47843036
IDK man, look at OGW, they made Eldrazi so strong they had to make an emergency ban and even after that, new eldrazi cards are still played in Modern and even Legacy.
I would not be surprised if they printed some fine card for standard but stupidly broken in Modern because Artifact synergy and then we'll have a Darksteel catastrophy all over again.
>>47836648
Is Shadow over innistrad any good?
>>47842774
None
Mana leak is better cuz it's more splashable
>>47843123
>emergency ban
No. That would have been the appropriate thing to do. Instead they let the format suffer for months
>>47843468
LET THE META ADAPT IT'S JUST A BRANK PRO
Hey guys. Currently I have an older based Gargageddon modern deck. Im wondering if anyone has any ideas on things to pump it up, make it a bit better. I know Gargageddon isnt really even tiered but i always thought it was a fun deck and can still hold its own against some of the better decks in the modern meta. Any suggestions?
>>47843571
This is what wizards thought. They assumed the meta would adapt. Nothing changed though and eldrazi BECAME the meta for a while.
>>47843727
DEEPEST LORE
Unban twin and pod.
Best meta
r8 m8s
>>47844114
Wow. It's jund
>>47844114
Why run Nihil Spellbomb when you can run Relic of Progenitus ?
>>47844176
You don't need to hold mana up to sac Spellbomb, plus you don't want to exile your own graveyard because of Goyf and Kolaghan's Command.
Is GW(b) pure beatdown still viable or is memerange or hatebears just better
Midrange was a mistake.
>>47844532
You were a mistake
>>47844745
Not true. I'm dank as fuck.
>>47844275
Depends
Is your meta full of jund, junk and burn? Yes
If not, no
Why is tarmogoyf so spicy? Like damn.
Didn't see a ask a judge thread. So, my question is, if I have a creature in play with a persist counter on it and use safe haven. Would it lose the counter when it come back into play? Would it also work with any exile then return to battlefield effect?
>>47845165
Yes. Blinking creatures removes counters
Guys got any recent salt stories?
>be playing UW control
>went 3-1, won against kiki-pod, knightfall, and a WR soldier tribal homebrew
>last round, lost to eldrazi stompy
>it wasn't a tuned deck, literally was hodgepodged together one hour before the event started, splashed blue literally just to take up space with serum visions and random counterspells
>he played 3 opponents who didn't have real decks
>g1 he naturally assembled tron turn 3 with no tutors or cantrips, got mana flooded
>g2 he got his hate card the first turn, relic, making my finks useless, this time I got color and land screwed, three ghost quarters and an island
Totally get that shit happens sometimes, but wew.
>>47845225
>playing living end vs ad nauseam
>poor match up for me in my experience
>take g1 because of triple street wraith + carabid + minotaur on turn 3 with a 2nd violent outburst to kill in one swing.
>He reveals unlife in hand, said he didn't expect me to swing for lethal or he would've played it
>g2 Mull to 5 and keep shit hand
>his opening 7 had 2 lotus blooms, ad nauseam and angels grace. I lost
>game 3 I used spirit guide to turn 3 slaughter games naming ad nauseam.
>he doesn't scoop
>I saw his hand so I know he doesn't have anything to fall back on
>he proceeds to slow play and excrete salt for the remainder of the game while he tries the simian spirit guide beatdown plan
>I kill him with treetop village
>ULTIMATE GORILLA SHOWDOWN
>>47843674
Borderpost restore balance
You memedern shitters still insisting on jamming standard legal cards into your shit format decks, just take the dicks out of your mouths and play standard already you standard closet fags
> implying you're not screwed after I draw this hand
>>47846321
Go brainstorm somewhere else with your superiority complex
>>47845763
Two guys at my LGS had another gorilla showdown moment. It was the last match, so the entire store was around their table watching gorillas fight
>>47845763
Can you ask politely your opponent on how he plans to win the game after slaughter gaming his gay combo?
>>47840554
Fuck off
>>47840559
There is virtually no situation where your opponent would see your cards close enough to actually detect illegitimacy, the actual "inaccuracies" on the cards are essentially invisible to anyone not actively staring at them (even that stupid Path with the typo in the text box would be perfectly playable), and even if they were staring at them or reading them, slight font spacing or coloring issues aren't even close to something the average player is going to detect.
People don't even look at your cards half the time, let alone look at them closely enough to notice anything, let alone have the cards be inaccurate enough to have anything to notice. Even if you do get deck checked, quality fakes are easy to pass if you don't talk about them beforehand.
The only people that care about "perfect" fakes or anything even close are shitbags that are actively trying to sell them or buylist them.
>>47842435
>>47842616
>Retarded statement
>Fuck off
>LOOOOL GOT'EM
>>47847773
Lmao calm down
>>47843123
OGW was the result of them ignoring a carefully placed design doc in Zendikar block in order to push a retarded mechanic in Standard.
In order for the same thing to happen with Artifacts as a type, they would have to print good artifacts, which would involve printing powerful cards in Standard. There's no design baggage from the artifact blocks that haven't been banned already.
>>47846616
how do you draw 8 cards?
>>47848650
He went second and drew his card for the turn.
can someone explain why this jace is worth playing in control? he just seems like a less viable version of memory adept in decks that aren't going to be facing a bunch of early game.
>>47844176
Maybe he doesn't want to nuke his own Tarmos.
Do you run Relic in your Jund?
>>47847582
>use fakes in a tournament
>people trying to catch you are shitbags!
wew lad
If I see someone that looks like a poorfag and they have a goyf, I'm calling a judge.
>>47846616
Am I supposed to concede to run to the hospital because I think I'm going blind?
>>47849125
It's a good SB card against control decks. It's minus 2 is a great source of card advantage that can slow down your opponent's creatures.
>>47849592
>Have legitimate Lion's Eye Diamonds and Taiga in Legacy Belcher
>Dress up in ripped track pants and a dirty, baggy sweater with no shirt under it to try and trick opponents into wasting time checking my cards
>Get DQed for fake cards anyways
>>47847582
>>47849592
I honestly want to see someone in person get caught with using fakes. It would be funny as fuck to see them spill their spaghetti and lying through their teeth about them being real or claiming that they didn't know and they got ripped off on ebay.
Ive been buying from chinaman for a while, sold countless fakes at GPs the more pricey ones i have fake beckett stickers on the top and put them in screwdowns, "if" they acually open it to check im long gone chinaman has made me alot of money and people can rarely tell the difference or want to because they dont get the opportunity to get older cards and they trust people at sanctioned events
How is this for a relatively budget BW tokens deck? Can it compete or is it fucked?
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
4 Honor of the Pure
3 Intangible Virtue
4 Spectral Procession
4 Duress
3 Mortify
2 Timely Reinforcements
3 Zealous Persecution
3 Raise the Alarm
1 Secure the Wastes
4 Lingering Souls
2 Hanweir Militia Captain
2 Thraben Inspector
2 Westvale Abbey
4 Caves of Koilos
9 Plains
5 Swamp
2 Isolated Chapel
1 Vault of the Archangel
>>47850333
Gonna skip on some things since you said you were on a budget, like upgrading your manabase, etc.
Get rid of Westvale Abbey. The deck is really color intensive so you can't really get away with running a land that only produces colorless. Before you tell me about how it can make tokens and you can cash in your tokens to make a giant creature: 1. Paying five mana and one life to make a 1/1 creature with no evasion is pretty shitty, and if the game gets that grindy then you probably already lost. 2. The deck is all about going wide and nothing else, theres no point to have any big creatures in that deck. Ormendahl also folds hard to Path, and you just end up six for oneing yourself.
Get rid of Hanweir Militia Captain, and Thraben Inspector entirely. Captain is a glorified bear and makes your opponent's removal relevant. Inspector has absolutely no synergy with the deck. Take all of them out and replace with with 1 more raise the alarm, 1 more Secure the Wastes at the least.
Finally, I understand that you are playing on a budget, but you really can't get around not having a playset of Paths, and some Thoughtsiezes and Inquisitions. The difference between 1 mana and 3 mana, and exile vs destroying, is ginormous. Duress is an incredibly situational card in modern with it being a creature heavy format. It's going to blank pretty often. Thankfully, the price of Thoughtsieze and Inquisition has been steadily going down, it's your best time to pick them up. Goes without saying, but also try and get as many Bitterblossoms as you can. Can't believe the card is as expensive as it is for it being played in almost no decks ever.
Is Magic: The Gathering heading for a financial crash? I'm curious as prices are climbing higher and higher, there are more sets being made every year, and the sets (outside of Eternal Masters) have larger print runs. This in turn puts stress on retailers to move product faster and faster.
Or am I not seeing the larger picture/mitigating factors?
>>47849125
He's like 100x better than memory adept
If you just want cards, and can protect him he comes out 1 turn sooner and you can -2 twice and get much more card advantage than you can expect to get from memory adept drawing 1 per turn starting a turn later
And he protects himself to a certain extent, which memory adept cannot do at all, he only has a Jank mill effect that isn't even all that attractive to a dedicated mill deck
>>47850772
Who knows? The game is more popular than ever and prices reflect that. I can see prices falling if the format stabilizes, but not by much.
>>47850741
I was considering militia captain because it was relatively mana cheap and could quickly shit out more and more tokens every turn.
>>47846616
turn 2 goyf will blow right through that hand
>>47849755
It would be pretty funny to do this with miracles if you can win game 1, and then stall out the round.
>>47851060
But I can tap it down for a turn and then bounce it back to your hand! THEN after a little while I can bounce it to the top of your library, AND can spend two mana whenever I want to draw an extra card!!! Watch out for your life total as I beat you down with my 2/1 in the meantime!
>>47849125
He isn't.
He was used in Twin for the mirror because your opponent essentially couldn't win until they removed him, and if you were on the play (after losing), you could curve into him before your opponent could try to combo.
Then when the threat of dying to combo was gone (drawing countermagic etc), you could use SnappleFacts and Loothouse to race and dig for the pieces you needed.
In control, he doesn't do much unless your opponent is playing weenies and you absolutely desperately need to dig for Nahiri and want to use the least efficient way to do so.
>>47849592
>>47849946
GR8B8M8 heres your (You)
>>47850950
>transforms situationally at the beginning of upkeep
>make one token with no evasion at end of turn
>fast
Again, it makes your opponent's removal have a good target. Also the card is really slow for your aggro gameplan. If you play it on turn two, you probably can't get the four creatures you need to make it transform until turn four, then it finally transforms on the upkeep of your fifth turn assuming they don't kill any of your creatures. At that point your opponent has tons of opportunities to get rid of it, play a bigger creature then your 2/2, or set themselves up in a superior position. That's why you shouldn't play the captain.
>>47851535
Guess you couldn't defend your position.
>>47851589
My position being that fakes are practically undetectable, and that you'd have to be an idiot to get caught, let alone in any trouble. And in response you meme it up and say nothing productive. Riveting debate friendo.
>>47851616
He mad he cant get chinaman
>>47850772
I feel like its headed toward...something.
New sets keep printing cards to be played in modern, and more people are getting into modern (thanks to reprints of fetches and shocks), but there are all of these unique older cards that will not see a reprint (lily, inquisition, infernal tutor) and will just keep climbing in price as more people get into modern.
Given all of that, we will either see more powercreep to keep new players happy or prices will keep climbing and relatively few people will get to compete at the highest levels in modern. I suspect the later, as powercreep will kill the game and wizards is stepping away from modern, taking it off the protour.
>>47851752
you forgot the part where everyone will still be able to play just fine due to based chinamen.
>>47851752
>but there are all of these unique older cards that will not see a reprint (lily, inquisition, infernal tutor) and will just keep climbing in price as more people get into modern.
This is literally what people said up to the printing of MM (and is even directly referenced as the purpose of the set in the MM announcement).
What people said up to the printing of MM2
What people will say up to the printing of MM3.
And what people will say up to the printing of MMx for the lifespan of the format.
The format hasn't burned down yet. It hasn't even priced many people out yet, and reprints and demand continue to make it a lucrative format for both Wizards and vendors. Growth is a part of business, it only seems scary if you don't grasp the concept of it.
>>47850090
Literally ruining mtg proxies for everyone: the post.
>>47851951
>Get in fast
>Make bank
>Fuck everyone else
Capitalism works for me, i honestly dont care about your stupid childs game if i can buy fakes for pennys on the dollar and churn them for $100-$200 each i dont care what im ruining ill do it till it stops making me money
Is there a way to tutor banefire in izzet colors?
>>47852070
Or you get arrested for felony fraud because you aren't exactly subtle.
>>47852250
Go home MTGLion why dont you make a youtube video on me
Been working while on Mardu for competitive play and here's where I'm at right now.
What do you think ? I feel the deck has great potential and I really want to make it worth running.
Cards I considered that didn't make the cut due to lack of space :
>Gideon, ally of Zendikar
>Pia and Kiran Nalaar
>Soulfire Grand Master
>Liliana of the Veil
>Kalithas, Traitor of Geth.
I really wanted to run Lili and experiment with Soulfire Grand Master but I'd have to cut too many spells to include them and thus, weaken the pyros and mentors.
Thoughts ? This is a first draft and I'm open to suggestions.
So how do you counter mass Instants/Sorceries/Counters faggotry decks made by mongoloids?
>>47852808
Big mana decks
>>47852850
Such as?
>>47852863
Tron and scapeshift
>>47852808
tried hearthstone?
How do I beat storm, in the most flawless and easy peasy broken way possible. I don't want to side board or even think about my play. Every turn I want to make him squirm. What decks do you propose? Affinity? Land hate?
>>47852933
Have you tried killing yourself, you human abort?
>>47853061
Land hate seems like the best choice.
>>47852512
looks pretty good
have you tested jotun grunt?
>>47852127
This is the only card I can think of that can do that in izzet colors.
>>47853135
Hmm, it doesn't really fit the deck. Feels like it would belong in something like Big Zoo instead as a budget replacement for goyf.
>>47852512
Still looking for imputs
>>47853212
How are the manlands working out for you? Would vault of the archangel be a good addition?
>>47853248
Shambling Vent is awesome. Most competitive lists run the full playset of them.
The only reason why I don't run Vault (and Ghost Quarter for that matter) is because the deck is fairly color intensive and I'm affraid of screwing myself up with colorless mana sources. I will definitely try Vault as a one of tho, seems a good addition to the deck.
>>47853061
If you want to wreck storm, just play something fast-ish and side in graveyard hate.
>>47852512
Between lands, confidants, thoughtseize and painful truth, do you ever feel like you do too much damage to yourself or is that rarely a problem?
What decks run Life from the Loam?
>>47853696
None because there's no viable way of continually generating advantage in Modern. I brewed a deck a while ago that revolved around Loam + Molten Vortex to gradually grind my opponents down and it honestly felt very solid to play. Good matchups against anything creature based because they can't maintain a board of creatures when I'm drawing 3 copies of Shock per turn. I got rid of the deck when the Twin ban hit because it set a really bad precedent for Modern and I wanted no part of it.
>>47853727
Do you have the list?
>>47853652
It doesn't matter against most decks but it can be relevant against Burn. To palliate that I have Timely Reinforcments in the sideboard.
Also, keep in mind that the deck has some inbuilt lifegain as well : Lightning Helix, Shambling Vents and Butcher of the Horde can bring a tremendous amount of healing.
But you are right, sometimes you only draw shocklands and bobs and you can burn yourself pretty quicly. That's why I was considering Kalitas and Soulfire Grand Master. I'm still torn about running at least Grand Master as a 2 of in place of the Monastery Mentors.
>>47853696
>>47853727
Loampox did well at the last pro tour if I recall correctly.
>>47853743
Not exactly but I'll give you what I can remember.
4x Molten Vortex
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Thought Scour
4x Negate (Vortex handles the non-creatures)
4x Rune Snag
4x Roast
4x Serum Visions
2x Logic Knot
3x Loam
1x Quicken
1x Spell Snare
3x Cryptic Command
1x Oona's Grace
4x Tarn
4x Misty
2x Steam Vents
1x Stomping Ground
1x Breeding Pool
1x Desolate Lighthouse
2x Cascade Bluffs
2x Sulfur Falls
1x Hinterland Harbor
1x Rootbound Crag
1x Island
1x Mountain
Something along those lines. The deck played the same way Twin plays; building up to a certain critical point in time. The difference is that while Twin's point was infinite damage, this deck's point is insurmountable board control. And it had a VERY good matchup against Twin if Vortex was down because they can't counter the activations. Only ran 21 land because 1) cantrips, and 2) Loaming back fetchlands.
>>47853798
Looks like fun, thanks.
>>47853815
I think I might actually rebuild it. I'll be removing a Snapcaster Mage for an Eternal Witness and the Oona's Grace for a Glen Elendra Archmage. Archmage is a sweet way of dealing with shit like Scapeshift and Ad Nauseam.
Forever a best
>>47855040
Deader en hell too ya lil queer
>>47837494
>97 dollars for fakes that are probably gonna look like shit
Lmao
>>47836753
What's this program called?
>>47853798
>go to test on xmage
>no molten vortex
Damn.
>>47855242
Still best deck
>>47843025
After looking at the prices I'm inclined to agree, thanks
>>47855655
Just use Cuckatrice.
>>47855655
By the way here's what I've changed it to and will be putting together.
1x Courser of Kruphix
3x Cryptic Command
3x Snapcaster Mage
1x Spell Snare
4x Thought Scour
1x Eternal Witness
1x Glen Elendra Archmage
3x Life from the Loam
1x Logic Knot
4x Molten Vortex
4x Negate
1x Quicken
3x Roast
4x Rune Snag
4x Serum Visions
1x Breeding Pool
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Desolate Lighthouse
1x Hinterland Harbor
3x Island
2x Mountain
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Steam Vents
1x Stomping Ground
2x Sulfur Falls
4x Wooded Foothills
>>47855774
Nice, thanks. Good luck with it.
So what are the chances of getting modern staples, especially affinity, on pucatrade? I have a bunch of cards and want to get rid of them, but not exactly sure how I can.
Remember when the Eldrazi were so broken it was viable to place a combo deck into them?
>>47855518
Why you so mad anon? Why do you want bad things for him?
We all just wanna play some magic
>>47855655
What do you mean "no Molten Vortex"?
>>47856998
Buying counterfeits encourages more of it from being made and they aren't allowed to be used in Sanctioned play. If you want to play unsanctioned Magic, just use homemade proxies since nobody would care and it'll be free.
>>47857057
Or we can buy fakes and play them in tournaments because double sleeved, across the table, Mid match nobody will notice
The card could say tranny goyf and it would pass
Hell, I haven't been caught using collector edition birds yet
>>47857050
XMage doesn't have the card.
>>47857204
You sure? It shows up on mine.
>>47852512
Bitterblossom instead of Confidant?
You also have too many one drops. I would cut some blood crypts for bloodstained mires.
>>47853696
I have a brew thats good against the teir one decks. It plays molten vortex, bloodghast, smallpox, lingering souls, and a bunch of removal and disruption. Its not a dredge deck, but rather a control deck that uses life from the loam as a card advantage engine and win con with molten vortex.
>>47857148
>tranny goyf
I shouldn't find this so funny.
>>47850333
Basically what >>47850741 said.
If you want to play a Raise the Alarm shell, you need to run 4 of those as well. Also, why only 3 Intangible Virtue if you're trying to run only 4 creatures total? The goal is to have fat Tokens, not creatures.
Anon was also right about the Inquisitions and Thoughtseizes. Duress only hit certain things and should only be meant for a 2 of in your sideboard. If you can, I'd get fetches and Godless Shrines too. Maybe build up to a Playset. Use Windswept Heath if you're on a budget to search for the Shrines.
I'm running pic related currently (yes I know its not budget but you get the idea of what its trying to do) and I like how it performs. I'm not totally sold on Bitterblossom builds even though there's evidence of it performing better but that's also another $120
>>47836648
Does mtgo still have pauper tournaments?
>>47857719
Leagues at least.
>>47849125
Is unraveler of secrets better in UW control? I've been using him to decent effect but my local meta sucks dick at modern so I don't know if these results matter anywhere else
>>47857805
It's better in any deck period. It's a free scry then draw plus fucking amazing emblem.
>>47857805
>>47857876
Lmao the card is lame and shouldn't be put into any modern deck
>>47837112
ayyyy best format
>>47857896
Not everyone is a hyper-competitive faggot playing boringass decks like Affinity or Jund you know?
>>47857935
Nor do I. But unraveler is pure jank.
>>47852512
the butchers are cute but are they really better than just including two more mentors?
>>47857876
>>47857896
anons neither of these statements are very helpful
>>47858025
>5 power flying lifelinker with haste on turn 4
That beats a lot of decks.
>>47858270
Lol most modern decks win on turn 4
revised my budget deck
any swaps I should make?
>Creature (17)
4x Delver of Secrets Flip
2x Despoiler of Souls
2x Forgotten Creation
2x Geralf's Masterpiece
3x Sigiled Starfish
4x Thing in the Ice Flip
>Instant (20)
4x Condescend
4x Doom Blade
4x Mana Leak
4x Ultimate Price
3x Void Shatter
Sorcery (3)
2x Displacement Wave
2x Drown in Sorrow
>Land (20)
4x Choked Estuary
2x Evolving Wilds
6x Island
4x Sunken Hollow
4x Swamp
>Sideboard (15)
4x Disarm
4x Negate
4x Terror
3x Tormod's Crypt
>>47858367
There's budget, and then there's bad.
>>47858367
Typically, delver decks run 25-30 I/S
>>47858758
yea i may put some more in, i have like 85 potential cards in the mail, this is just what i have now
>>47858805
I'm concerned you have too many big mana cards and little means to get the lands.
Also delver is better in a protect the Queen strategy and generally quicker plans
I'm not sure what your budget is but serum visions is a great card for what you're doing
>>47857935
If you're not competitive, why limit yourself to Modern deckbuilding restrictions? Just go play whatever on your kitchen table.
>>47857358
That seems fun, can I see it?
>>47858846
>serum visions
thats on my list of big blue cards im getting next paycheck
along with
remand
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Hunted Horror
Phyrexian Obliterator
>>47858846
are there any good blue/black mana pull cards
like green has
>evolving wilds
>Nissa's Renewal
>>47845225
Not myself but just finished playing on xmage as rug delver.
Guy curses me out in Russian for the last five minutes as I beat face with a goyf and counter all his big mana spells.
Running through Google translate, he was uber mad. I think he was running that dank dwellers stone rain deck
>>47858977
fetchlands?
>>47852808
>only mongoloids play this deck, cuz their dumb like mongoloids
>how do i beat them though? I keep losing to mongoloids
>>47857704
Here's what I'll do.
I'll slowly transition out duress in favor of thoughtsieze. Duress was literally just a temporary thoughtsieze. I'll obviously get the path to exiles sooner or later. The land situation I can worry about sooner or later.
Generally I'm not super concerned about competitiveness. I may only bring this deck to local events and casual play, so I'm not aiming for tier one at all here. I am clearly looking for cheap staples, but what pieces should I start getting first? I have $50 on hand that I would like to use this month, and I can get the rest later.
how viable is faeries?
Reckon Transgress the Mind is worth a sideboard slot for Scapeshift? You can always bring it in against Tron too, but the 4 colour Scapeshift decks floating around are VERY relisient.
>>47859639
Haha, this guy.
>>47859655
isn't thoughtseize just better for the purpose of taking away those deck's big pieces? Or are you expecting eternal wittness type effects to be a problem?
How do you make your fakes look moderately played? Shuffle without sleeves? What else can I do to speed up the process
>>47859731
Spit on them then put them in flour
>>47859731
Pile of basics, shuffle it up, leave them in the sun if they need to look really old.
>>47850090
This is why i only ever buy cards from a store owner I trust and CardKingdom. Plus I buy tons of expensive foils like OG Zendikar fetches and Goblin Guides foil. Judge foils are nice too, have two Grim Lavamancer Judge foils and a Judge foil Mountain by Terese Nielsen.
>>47858276
you don't play modern much, do you?
I've been fiddling around with clues in modern and while it's casual, I've been able to beat a few competitive decks that strayed into mtgo's casual room (naya burn, simic infect, abzan). The infect was lucky he didn't interact with my board and I had a hand good enough to get an emrakul down on turn 4 after which he just conceded the match.
you cheat emrakul into play with briarbridge patrol, and like I said, I've managed it turn 4 before with a couple of hierarchs. I've won most matches just beating down with the creatures though.
I think gavony township could be worth running, but I'd love suggestions on other ways to improve it. What's nice is the tracker grows even if you sacrifice clues to other effects, eg ravager.
>>47861047
Obviously more than you. Butcher is mediocre and the format is quite fast
>>47861178
The problem isn't Butcher of the Horde. The problem is not being able to run Abrupt Decay.
>>47861395
>>47861178
The real problem is people playing boring good stuff decks. Midrange is lame
>>47861415
Mardu is best against boring midrange decks though. Goyf doesn't trade blows too well with a 5/4 flying lifelinker.
>>47858276
*Make an important play
>>47861609
He does when he's bigger. Which is often
>one copy of a green card is $150 dollars
Hehehe... good goyfs... very good goyfs...
>>47861694
Green cards can't be expensive?
You poor?
>>47859731
Spread your cards out. Then, pour acid on your face. Then roll your face over the cards.
>>47861694
id rather buy dual lands than goyfs tbqh
>>47861771
>he spent thousands of dollars on a few pieces of cardboard
tip top lel
keep the salt coming
New format when?
I'm voting for Supermodern aka sets after the M15 border change.
>>47861805
>jealous poorfag tears
LOL
Back to the fields, Jose.
>>47861667
No he doesn't. A 7/8 Goyf loses a damage race to a 5/4 lifelinker he can't block.
Are any of the deck ideas from Duels 2014 actually good/ popular irl?
eg slivers, goblins, white human, jace, etc
>>47861961
>being smart with money = poor
keep em coming
>>47862164
I have a dream of a Goblins deck that goes Goblin Grenade Snapcaster Goblin Grenade.
>>47861944
Post-Modern: You're still not allowed to use lands as anything but mana sources edition.
>>47859194
So long as you have at least 4 intangible virtue, 4 spectral procession, 4 lingering souls, and 4 raise the alarm, you can get 3 path to exile, 1 inquisition and 1 thoughtseize for $50. Then go from there. Mana base is the most expensive part of the deck
>>47862684
So what makes thoughtsieze and inquisition comparable? I thought thoughtsieze was strictly better than inquisition. Why wouldn't it be smarter to snatch two of one kind?
>>47862984
inquisition hits most of the stuff in modern
thougtseize you lose 2 life which might be relevant to aggro decks
