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>Tabletop/P&P RPGs
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Discussion in #UESRPG (same server)
>Lore Resources
[The Imperial Library] http://www.imperial-library.info/
[/r/teslore] http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/
[UESP/Lore] http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page
[Pocket Guide to the Lore] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] http://www.elderlore.wordpress.com/
[How to Become a Lore Buff] http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
>General Rules
No waifus or husbandos except KINMUNE and Pelinal please.
Keep the MK/Lady N related squabbling to a minimum.
Previous Kalpa >>47741929
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Stillbirth?
Any sources on how races view each other on relationships?
Or does everyone fuck everyone all the time
I always see people shitting on High Rock as the possible setting for TES VI because 'generic medieval england' but I actually see potential in the province if it's done right.
I'm not alone here am I?
>>47817871
I imagine life as a middle-upper class breton in any of the cities to be pretty comfy. Bretons are nerds and have many shelves filled with books and alchemy reagents, maybe even growing some themselves. If you're really upper class you'd even have an orrery in your house or something, to show off your nerdiness.
>>47817894
I wish there were library quests to collect book series.
You could unlock secrets to master magic spells or unique armor by showing your collection, or engage in tavern talk for small gold by discussing book stories which the right answer isn't unlocked unless you've at least opened the book.
>>47817760
I guess it's no too different from non sexual relationships
>>47817871
I hope you are, we have more than enough generic medieval settings in other games.
>>47817894
Imperials dont have it bad either. If you own a small buisiness that makes a good coin you live better than most in Tamriel.
>>47817933
It's very different though.
Going to war alongside someone you want to bang is pretty difficult, rising through guild ranks can be done easier for certain people, racism is probably deeper than just heritage, especially assuming puberty and raging hormones exist
>>47817967
Cyrod life does seem stressful to me because of long working hours and high population density.
What do you guys imagine Roscrea (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Roscrea) is like?
Don't make it Solstheim 2.0 though
>>47817760
Altmer hate race mixing, and anybody marrying a Bosmer is considered morally revolting according to dialogue.
Other than that, race mixing happens although not all the time.
>>47817984
Do you have a job? Does working with somebody who has a vagina stop you from doing your job or getting a raise?
>>47818062
Solstheim 2.0
>>47818095
Yes, I work for the national guard, and a good reason why capable women aren't sent into the field are the men already working out there.
>>47818084
Is there like a preferred race? Like a type O- of races
>>47817894
Bretons truly are the comfiest race.
>>47817967
>>47818016
I like Imperials, but the pros and cons are their own thing. One one hand, they eat 4 meals a day, on the other hand Imperial food is garbage.
Also, they seem fairly educated, and their cities are fairly advanced and have improved hygiene , and although bureaucratic, their life is organized and seems pleasant enough.
>>47818116
While I can't say this entirely with confidence outside of examples, Breton men tend to go for Redguards (possibly because of hypergamy due to the war) and Dunmeri Women. Some Nords also go for Breton Women.
Also, Imperials marry outside of their race, although that might also be hypergamy.
>>47818100
Guess I'll be getting the ball rolling then.
Roscrea has a jagged and cliff-faced coastline, making it very difficult to get on it at all. Most of the island is covered in frostwood (like in Atmora, huge trees with trunks covered with specks of snow and ice). In the middle is a small, dormant volcano, surrounded by hot springs like in Eastmarch.
Would Morrowind still have a king when they're not part of the empire anymore?
>>47818108
But there are still women within the organization, that do work, have a job, and rise through the ranks?
>>47818228
What's a king by any other name? Call them a Jarl if you want to, but it's all the same.
>>47818237
Of course.
>>47818062
Sheogorad 2.0
>>47818250
Well, Skyrim's jarls aren't actually kings, they just govern a hold, and Skyrim still has a high king.
Hlaalu Helseth might get overthrown but I'm wondering if anyone would take his place or the dunmer would scrap the monarchy while they're at it.
>>47818287
So naturally it would occur in a place like the legion, especially considering that this is a fantasy world where Women are the same height as men, and Nordic and Orcish women have roughly the same amount of testosterone and are from cultures where the only difference between the sexes during war is which bathroom they use.
Now the Fighter's Guild is even more free form and less regimented, being the standardized mercenary company. Most assignments are done on an individual basis not only to save expenses and earn the most money per individual, but also due to the nature of their assignments. This means there's not many "joint operations" outside of a few like the FG mission in oblivion where they cleared out a goblin mine, where as that was only 4 people including the CoC and lasted less than a day.
>>47818377
I fear you're arguing a technicality you yourself presented instead of focusing on the original question asked.
I'm asking about beauty, not if being female will automatically get you raped in an army.
>>47818408
I thought you were asking how people manage to work despite being around beautiful people, something about puberty and hormones, something about racism being more than heritage, and something about people rising through ranks faster than others.
Could you rephrase the question? What is it about beauty do you specifically want to know about?
From 'The Wolf Queen': ''The lock to her brother Antiochus' secret stash of Khajiiti pornography: just two free tumblers and a pathetic poisoned quill trap easily dismantled with pressure on the counterweight.''
What does pornography look like in Elder Scrolls? Drawings?
>>47818453
I was asking about how races view other races in terms of beauty. According to
>>47818084
we got the altmer not liking anyone not a banana, and apparently dialogue about not liking bosmer, but those seem to be more about racism than preferring their own kind.
Like what does an orc think about dunmer while they're taking a carriage ride to town? Is he gonna hit on her, actively avoid looking at her face, or just indifferent?
Would he buy her a drink later, or never give them a second thought?
How would it play out if she wore purple make-up, or had her hair tied down?
If he was showing his green abs or wearing a stylish robe?
We seem to have a lot of negative or lack of views towards races, but not much seems to be said about the positive views.
>>47818500
Yep. He's a furfag.
>>47818500
I would think it's more erotica, like the lusty argonian maid.
Stories you can repeat to bar friends.
>>47818062
Ireland?
>>47818530
That would be more on an individual basis, but most of the time I'd say most people wouldn't want to think about being with an Orc.
I'd say it most likely the same as in real life, where most people care more about who the person is than whether their skin is green or not, with the exception of wanting to not "taint" bloodlines or be embarrassed about the shame.
As for how other races view each other, that's a long one.
>>47818318
They're more or less Liege Lords
>>47818717
I guess they are, whatever that might be.
Skyrim implies holds have a lot of autonomy, just like Morrowind's great houses.
What's dwemer metal before they used tonal architecture on it?
They could probably just use any metal and make it what they wanted, but you think they had a preference?
Maybe it wasn't even metal, just all the rocks from digging, in a kind of alchemy transmutation?
>>47818531
>>47818588
Only just started reading the series (can't believe I haven't done so earlier), this Antiochus guy seems like a serious sex addict.
''You know where to find me."
"At which brothel, your highness?" inquired the Spymaster.
"Today being Fredas, I'll be at the Cat and Goblin."
Reminder that Trainwiz working for Bethesda has made his mods CANON
>>47818843
Well when you have multiple brothels, it's not really an addiction probably just out of habit.
>>47818830
We can only guess as we don't actually know... but I think it's an alloy of some kind.
The only orange-colored metals we have in TES, as far as I know, are bronze and corundum.
>>47818500
Antiochus has great taste.
As for what that porn is like, it might be erotic texts, or Indian/Japanese style erotic paintings.
>>47818530
>not much seems to be said about the positive views
The various breeds of Men don't tend to have that negative views of each other. And when they do, it's usually more about politics and culture than a more racial dislike.
"Abdicate your rights to the Imperial throne voluntarily, and there is no need for me to show the Council this," Potema said, handing her brother the letter. "It is a letter with your seal on it, saying that you knew that your father was not Pelagius Septim II, but the royal steward Fondoukth. Now, before you deny writing the letter, you cannot deny the rumors, nor that the Imperial Council will believe that your father, the old fool, was quite capable of being cuckolded. Whether it's true or not, or whether the letter is a forgery or not, the scandal of it would ruin your chances of being the Emperor."
>no posts in over an hour on a friday evening
where are my n'wahs at?
>>47820010
Sup.
Someone ask a weird question.
>>47820022
Why and how do Telvanni build mushroom buildings
>>47820010
Well it's friday, real people have work
>>47820022
Could the falmer use chaurus as mounts
Are kwama warrior's shells hard enough to be used as mounts
Did the silt striders evolve from the same ancestor as the kwama, or maybe the chaurus
>>47820022
If Kirkbride was transported to Tamriel as the Last Dragonborn, what would he do? How would he fight? How would he handle the Civil War? what guilds would he join?
>>47820075
Chaurus mounts are a thing in Adam Adamowicz' concept art, but the discrepancy between his art and the actual game is dissapointing.
Who could best an Orc?
>>47820115
Yes
This pleases me
>>47820086
If his endgame is to prevent the thalmor endgame and thus save creation, the empire stands a better chance than the stormcloaks, unless the latter gets a serious deus ex machina.
>>47820134
I post this one often because I like it so much.
Imperial legionnaires with armor that is cooler (dragon crest) and fits in the region (furs)
>>47820057
Well they grow them like mushrooms, apparently using grand souls. I'm guessing that's how they control the growth. The actual act of growing is probably just unexplained knowledge, some kind of mix of blueprints and a greenthumb. Makes sense an orc was the builder.
>>47820132
Redguards and Bretons, which is what they're constantly doing. The orcs have had dozens of orsiniums by now.
>>47820057
Mushrooms are native to Morrowind, and they use their magic to form them.
>>47820086
Maybe he'd be a clever man, find the Green Tablet Steps of Jhunal, talk to Paarthurnax about kalpas, and go to Morrowind.
Post YFW guard armour and Stormcloak armour got the same skin due to lazyness
>>47820176
Yeah, but that doesn't look like "standard issue" armor, more like adapted armor.
>>47820220
Atleast the officers could have looked like that. Bethesda went overboard on the roman aesthetic.
>>47820220
The Legions tend to outsource their armor like that.
>>47820204
And all the Imperials use chain + leather instead of plate armour.
>>47820139
>unless the latter gets a serious deus ex machina
like the LDB
>>47820500
Nah.
>>47820220
There isn't really a "standard issue". It's all supplied locally.
I think it's kind of cool. I'd imagine legions might take some pride in their distinct look. Imagine a great army camp at wartime, soldiers and officers from different legions, races and provinces, all members of the Imperial Legion, yet no one quite alike.
What do you guys think people do for leisure throughout Tamriel?
Do you think there's surfing off the coast of Vvardenfell? That there's snowball fights in the cold mountains of Skyrim? That chess masters compete in the Imperial City?
>>47820935
Imagine a campfire after a day at tthe beach...
>>47821015
https://youtu.be/_5qb8Bor0hI
Waves beyond measure, Outlander.
>>47821041
Take a seat, muthsera.
Morrowind has doppler effect!? Holy shit, I just fell past some cricket noise and clearly noticed it.
>>47820935
The Agent might be most known for having shattered time and caused the Miracle of Peace, but he was also an avid surfer.
Also Daggerfall Unity is getting integrated mod support in 0.3.
The future is bright.
>>47820935
Is there a Nirn equivalent of chess?
>>47820204
>>47821041
Gnarly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckwlr3r0290
>>47821372
Yep. I forget what it is.
Might just be actual chess.
>>47820935
D'you think nords have pro wrestling?
>>47821629
Come to think of it, that sounds like something that Nords would have - all the theatrics are pretty in line with heroic poetry and such. All that's necessary is for the wrestling to be real wrestling and it seems perfectly Nordic!
The hard question is, what do all the people in the southern and the western provinces do for fun?
>>47821372
There were chess tables in Daggerfall.
Were the daedra and aedra always about random abstract concepts even before the appearance of mortals
Or is Sheogorath insane simply because the mortals think he is
>>47817871
I'v been thinking about running a High Rock game as well. I haven't read too much about about bretons yet but I have some basic ideas for setting stuff.
For commoners.
Since full out magic isn't super common I'd think most normal bretons would be all about alchemy and enchanting.
>They follow the principle of "work smart not hard" which can make them seem lazy to outsiders
>Every family has a small library of books and notes containing special recipes and techniques which they guard jealously
>Every farmer has some their own secret technique for prepping the soil or some incredible special elixir their wife makes for them
>They love to boast about how clever their tricks are and how little easy it makes their job
>Smiths prefer to learn enchantments over actually improving their smithing. However they always inscribe their work with the family name as both a boast of their skill and promise of quality
>Bretons may be averse to the practical work but they take responsibility for the results. After all you can't reap the pleasure of pride without the risk of shame.
>Aside from the mystical arts bretons love art
>Every household has banner that changes with almost every generation
>Every village, no matter how small has intricately painted or craved houses
>Inks and coloured fabric are very valuable
>Many youths liberally abuse their access to ink and education by spread graffiti across buildings, trees and animals
>Bretons love to put their natural speechcraft skill to use. They argue about everything.
>For many bretons village council meetings are a blast.
>For village elders, the meetings are hell. They can't do anything without extensive questions and debate. Usually some one brings in wine or some exotic weed they bought off a trader and the whole thing falls to chaos.
>Chaos is usually an intoxicated, naked man wrestling pig while trying to explain how it represents the their Lord's struggle with Imperial tariffs.
How does that fit?
>>47821871
I like it. I also expect bretons to keep pretty gardens.
Does Numidium only have it in for Mundus or does it wish to break Aurbis in its entirety?
So what can be a spooky scary skelly
Is there a guar skelly
>>47822220
Does the Numidium actually want to do anything?
>>47822220
Yes.
>>47822566MAYBE.
>>47818853
I will make all of C0DA canon, especially the TV show portion
I wonder what would imperials do if they got their hands on two(!) elder scrolls? in skyrim you can give 2 to the moth priest, just how much can be done with them anyway?
>>47818500
>Antiochus
fuuuug
>>47822854
They had a whole library of them.
>>47822854
>>47822854
Well, I'm fairly sure the Dragonborn gets three or four of them just willy-nilly.
No doubt the Empire has more of them.
>>47822901
They probably have a bunch in the library of the imperial palace
>>47822775
name this band
>>47822873
>>47822954
Actually by Skyrim's time they had all disappeared.
>>47822873
>>47822954
>>47822968
Is it ever stated how many there are? You'd think such powerful artifacts would be incredibly rare.
>>47822968
why
>>47822954
>>47822901
>thatsnothowthisworksthatsnothowanyofthisworks.jpg
>>47822979
As many and as few as there needs to be
>>47820115
>mimics a baby crying as a lure
who the hell wouldnt be creeped out by a crying baby? its not like you hear that kinda sound in some falmer infested shithole and think
>hey a baby!
>>47822979
That's not quite how it works. It's not about how many there are, for such a thing cannot be known.
>>47822980
Something happened after the Oblivion crisis. They all vanished.
Hell, you see them all in Oblivion, the game.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Elder_Scroll_(Lore)
There's some unsourced info on this page
>There is a total of 273 Elder Scrolls in the Elder Scrolls Library during the events of Oblivion.
>>47822980
Because as the scrolls are actually just nonlinear pieces of creation they aren't really fixed in place. They come and go with no real rhyme or reason.
>>47822998
I don't know if it actually happened, but the falmor are blamed for everything, so a missing baby would be their fault, so sure you might find a baby there.
>>47822998
In folk tales the Falmer steal babies, so it actually makes sense.
>>47823018
They did. They HAD an entire library of them.
>>47823035
Yeah, but just because they can doesn't mean they do.
>>47822967
The Pseudo-6th-House.
>>47823045
Okay, so provide the source they all disappeared please.
>>47823051
Yeah, and then they did.
>>47823069
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Elder_Scrolls#cite_note-SREvicus-11
>>47823069
Why are you here?
>Around 4E 175, the Elder Scrolls mysteriously vanished from the Library, and were scattered across Tamriel.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Elder_Scrolls#cite_note-SREvicus-11
>>47823087
>>47823105
>>47823114
That's a pretty halfassed way of dismissing an issue from oblivion.
Are they known to do this before?
>>47823114
>Why are you here?
If you're planning on being an ass, you might as well leave now. It's not even saturday, more questions are coming.
>>47823132
What issue?
As far as I remember they've always disappeared at will.
Oh yeah, I think it was once White-Gold was deactivated that they vanished. I might be wrong.
>>47823132
Yes. There's always been an inexact count of the scrolls because they come and go.
Again. Nonlinear pieces of creation, not actual scrolls.
>>47823149
Sorry, this isn't even an obscure topic. This is just stuff from the games. It's easy to look up. I'm happy to answer questions.
>>47823153
>What issue?
Having a stockpile of mcguffins and whatever kind of knowledge the writers need to help them win vs the altmer.
I really really really hate falmer.
Please tell me they won't be in any other game than Skyrim?
>>47823192
They're not actually all that useful, at least not in that way. The Moth Priests can sort of read them, but that's about it as far as casual use goes. It actually fits well that they were attracted to the most fetishistic Tower and then vanished from it.
What we should all be wondering about are the 1008 Cyrodiilic weapons of rapture.
>>47823202
They probably won't, if that makes you feel any better.
>>47823220
But somehow the gray fox just happened to know what that elder scroll said, and was able to read it because reasons.
>>47823202
You disliked them because they were a pain in the ass to fight (swarming, chaurus, poison, dark caves, harder to sneak on because of enhanced hearing) or because you think the idea behind the falmer is stupid?
>>47823244
Maybe the cowl has Dwemer lenses.
I've only finished Skyrim's main quest (yes, I have played both Morrowind and Oblivion aswell but got sidetracked), what role do elder scrolls play in the other games? I know Skyrim involves 1 scroll in the main quest and another 2 in dawnguard.
What about arena, daggerfall, morrowind and oblivion?
>>47823202
Stay mad.
>>47823256
It has a detect life enchantment, so it could maybe have some kind of daedric optical magic to prevent blindness, but 1) that's speculation and 2) I don't know if the elder scroll language is written in anything specific or if it's a "you just understand by looking" kind of magic thing.
>>47823288
The Elder Scrolls themselves debut in Oblivion, during the Thieves Guild quest.
>>47823302
>>47823244
Well you were sent in to steal a specific elder scroll he had spent YEARS tracking down
>>47823253
They are hard to fight, live in claustrophobic caves that I get lost in, and just out right creep me out.
The idea is subpar too, although I can't fault Bethesda for making the Dwemer a bit more cruel.
>>47823293
Fuck you ghoulAlso monsters are my fetish and Falmer are in the uncanny vally between disgusting and so disgusting it makes me blush
>>47823302
That's a good question.
This is what the scrolls themselves look like.
The Dwemer invented a machine to basically photocopy the scrolls so they could be read without any of the secondary effects.
>>47823340
Furthermore, I believe the font itself is called "magic script" or something.
>>47823311
>double dubs
Well that just opens up a whole new set of issues.
How did he know what the scroll said?
Where is the knowledge that was read recorded and what else is in that archive? That's a mcguffin right there.
If he has someone on the inside, who else might also steal the secrets?
>>47823354
Well if it's "magic script", that sounds less like a 1-1 language like daedric and more of a rune, that implants knowledge and understanding.
That would kind of make sense why it blinds you, trying to force magical understanding through your eyes to your brain, but that's just a theory.
>>47823364
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Instructions:_the_Gray_Cowl
The Moth Priests had, some time ago, begin researching the Elder Scroll needed to break the curse. The Fox found this out and spent years tracking it down, that's why most of his quests involve you preparing for it.
>>47823406
I don't remember if the content of the scrolls is constantly shifting or if I'm thinking of something else.
Either way, you need training to comprehend them, and by the time you can you're basically already blind.
>>47823330
I get some Nosferatu feels from Falmer.
>>47823412
Well that's one issue fixed I guess.
>>47823463
their armor kinda looks like daedric
>>47823420
They probably haven't been too specific, but is the blindness from eye damage or the organs not transmitting data?
>>47823488
The art direction for both Daedric and Chaurus is basically "vaguely organic evil stuff with spikes", so it's no wonder it ends up kind of similar. Daedra is just black and red while Chaurus armour is dark and green.
>>47823529
Too bad the falmer worship Xrib and not the daedra.
>>47823488
Not really, Skyrim armor sure but their armor is clearly chitin from Chaurus and other faggot bugs from undeground.
>>47823498
>Each reading of the Elder Scrolls is more profound than the last. Each leaves the priest blind for longer, and longer periods of time. Finally, the last reading achieves a nearly sublime understanding of that scroll's contents, but the priest is left permanently blinded to the light of this world. No longer can he read the scrolls.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Effects_of_the_Elder_Scrolls
It seems like it could be both, or either.
>>47823340
>>47823354
>>47823406
>>47823420
>>47823498
Texts in Scrolls constantly shift and so do the esoteric maps and sigils
Text is more than likely the original language, Ehlnofex.
>>47823541
Tell me about Xrib.
>>47823541
yo Trainwiz, are you liking ESO?
>>47823571
I only disagree with your last point because the scrolls supersede the et'Ada. Or, at least they're from a time before Ehlnofex developed.
>>47823599
They don't, there is nothing that suggests that Scrolls existed before Mundus, hell Aurbis as we know it did not exist before Mundus. Creation of Mundus didn't just make a new realm, it anchored and changed relations with everything, hence why it's the crux of reality now basically.
But yeah, I am not sure if it's Ehlnofex or not.
>>47823582
He's not shit like Birx
>>47823584
Enjoyable. Kind of funny when I get detected right after opening a lockbox and have to sit there frozen, waiting for the NPC to walk away so I can steal things.
>>47818228
Well, by the end of the Red Year and the Argonian invasion they were fed up enough with the Empire to throw Hlaalu out of the Council and renounce their Great House status, so I'd say the odds for Morrowind being an actual republic might be pretty good, since the kingship was an Imperial-based institution.
>>47823653
>These writings exceed even the gods, both aedra and daedra.
Given, that is as fallible source as any.
It seems like there's two possibilities: The scrolls either exist before anything else, which is conjecture, or were Magnus' architectural plans, which is also conjecture, but also means they're older than the Mundus.
>>47823684
Does roleplay in any shape or form exist or is it full on shitmememodernMMOing it?
Also did you see the shitty wildhunt in Dominion mane quest? It was awful.
>>47823723
Many quests tend to have multiple responses and choices, and speech skills tend to be more useful than the other games.
>>47823709
Being blueprints sounds better than just being.
>>47823749
That's a good point.
>>47823690
Not precisely, Morrowind had High Kings before the Hortator system. They have a long history of authoritarian rule.
>>47823740
Did Sotha Sil expansion thing come out yet?
Also how do they deal with Greenpact in ESO?
>>47823761
Play it down, say that tons of Bosmer don't follow it, and try their best to make everyone forget it's a thing.
>>47823684
Does it have anything of value? Do cities within a province have unique architecture between eachother or are they are identical?
>>47823775
But that's retarded? Doesn't Valenwood fuck with Bosmer for that? Shouldn't Y'ffre actually punish people with some mechanism?
I mean fuck, this isn't a saturday contract, it's the binding pact which gave Bosmer a mortal and stable coil.
>>47823780
Meh, most cities tend to have the same architecture. There's the "nord style" "dunmer style" etc. Some have variations, like Shadowfen mixes up argonian and ayelid stuff.
>>47823775
I don't play, but the impression I got was that it sort of introduced levels of it. Like, some people would eat fruit or use branches that's fallen from a tree and stricter adherents wouldn't.
>>47823541
>implying Xrib isn't some forgotten Dwemer logician.
>>47823808
I expected as much. I really liked the unique architecture to each of Morrowind's great houses, Oblivion's cities and (some of) Skyrim's hold capitals.
>>47823884
A lot of the cities in Cyrodiil tend to have unique architecture, basically anything DLC-wise is always going to have more effort put into it and look better
>>47823899
>basically anything DLC-wise is always going to have more effort put into it and look better
yeah, I found it a real shame that Dragonborn's Solstheim had some decent dungeon design while Skyrim didn't.
>>47823798
>But that's retarded?
It is considerably easier to make the strange boring than to embrace and implement the strange.
>>47823821
You can apparently also invoke Arkay whenever you goof up the Pact, so it works out.
To take an example fro, ESO's pocket guide:
Some Imperial named Flaccid Tarantula is travelling in Valenwood with some Bosmeri "Treethane", when one of the Bosmer's dogs gets attacked by killer plants. No problem, just suspend the Pact for a minute.
>>47823979
Dragonborns Solstheim was pretty good except for all the eskimo bullshit. I digged pretty much everything else, although it could do with a spoopier, Lovecraftian vibe.
A whole DLC dedicated to Hermaeus Mora
>>47824019
>Flaccid Tarantula
>killer plants
what
>>47824039
Dragonborn turned Hermaeus Mora into my favourite daedric prince. There wasn't as much Apocrypha as there was Shivering Isles in Oblivion but it's still nice.
>>47824019
Eso is literally retarded about Green Pact, it's absolutely inconsistent.
Violation of Green Pact can turn you into fucking ooze and can fucking summon hordes of shitmonsters from Valenwood to attack you, which is demonstrated in both quests and books...and at the same time there are fucking Oathbreakers who violated it and there are faggots even now that don't abide by it.
Shit like this, internal inconsistency IN ONE GAME, not even with the series, with fucking itself makes me mad.
>>47824070
Hermaeush Morahhhh
Apocrypha was really fun. All Dragonborn missed was more black books and maybe some cultists of the Daedra himself
>>47824054
Flaccus Terentius.
>"One of the pack dogs ventured too close to a shrub, which came alive, its tendrils dragging the animal into a black maw."
>>47824071
ESO also introduced more info about Ta'agra and Khajiiti naming conventions, and then decided to not follow those rules and just make things up instead.
You also meet the ghost of Rid-Thar-ri'Datta, because god forbid there's any major lore character that doesn't show up again as a ghost.
>>47824071
Didn't they also fuck up Wild Hunts?
>>47824266
the only time we actually see Wild hunt is in a vision of Mane and...well it looks like three red glowing bosmer and one red glowing werewolf, and it's pretty easy to kill them.
>>47824311
>vision of Mane
A what?
>Bosmer
>Werewolf
That's not the same kind of Wild Hunt.
>>47824393
You travel to the third moon together with Mane and you go through her visions together.
Then you see Wild Hunt which looks like complete shit, red glowing bosmer and red glowing werewolves, all 4 of them.
>>47824442
>Mane
>her
But the only known "gendered" description of the Mane is "The Mane itself ", from Master Zoaraym's Tale.
The Mane is the closest Elsweyr gets to a living god.
Why are you on the moon in the first place? Sorry for the endless questions, by the way, but I don't play ESO and I only vaguely know that there's a Mane quest.
>>47824613
according to ESO multiple people can be born under the Third Moon, when that happens (and in general) Mane has to go through a ritual in which he through ritualistic moonsugar consumtion transports his soul to Masser, Secunda and then to The Third Moon. Mane goes through various trials there and when he finishes that shit he fully becomes one with the Lunar Latice and can be called a mane.
Before that Mane is just a khajiit of any gender that has potential to become a Mane.
...oh and there is dark Mane bullshit but I don't even want to humor that faggotry.
Does dwemer metal glow when burned?
Is Valenwood mountainous in any way?
![ON-place-Greenshade[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/o6dyd6i.jpg "ON-place-Greenshade[1].jpg")
>>47828479
Probably
>>47828259
Not that I know of.
>>47829621
You think the metal would get hot at all? Or cold, since underground. Maybe if it doesn't rust it doesn't change temperature
>>47820250
>Bethesda went overboard on the roman aesthetic.
And they totally forgot about the Asian/Akaviri aesthetic aside from throwing in a few token katanas.
>>47831516
They didn't forget shit
It's in the concept art
They consciously choose to be more Roman and almost no akaviri for some retarded reason
Nerevarine: daedra's bitch
Last Dragonborn: daedra's bitch
Champion of Cyrodiil: becomes daedra
Why is CoC best hero?
>>47824039
>except for all the eskimo bullshit.
but it was very important to the plot, I dont remember the details, because its been a while since I last played skyrim, but wasn't the whole point of those eskimo nords to give us some information on older religion, the whole Aka-tusk thing, the one all-maker, so that we have a better idea of what Miraak is trying to mantle?
one of the priest masks you can find in skyrim having tusks wouldn't be enough Ithink
>>47831970
dB is not anyone's bitch until he dies in moras realm and/or spends too much time in oblivion
Friendly reminder that daedric princess literally have no Dominion over any soul until they directly snatch it or taint it with shit like vampirism
Daedra only gets your soul if you willingly give it to them, sadly most don't know that and get bent over by princes
>>47824393
so why did the dwemer do it? why fuck over the falmer?
Are there instances of someone mantling something less grandiose than a god, say a Daedroth?
>>47831970
Eternal Champion: Saves the Empire and becomes a cultural hero in his own time, and has a nice, comfortable retirement sponsored by the Emperor.
Best hero. Was probably still alive at the time of Oblivion. Might even still be alive at the time of Skyrim.
>>47832279
Because the Dwemer are the biggest cunts.
>>47832370
>Because the Dwemer are the biggest cunts.
I was just under the impression that they are meant to be these logical, sensible beings, screwing over falmer for no reason is just odd. Surely they didn't just do it for shit and giggles?
>>47832401
Experiments and slavery is the reason
>>47832401
The Falmer had an "alliance" of sort with the Dwemer. When the Falmer cause on the surface was lost, the Falmer called on the Dwemer to shelter them.
Now, the Dwemer didn't want this. You can imagine several reasons why they wouldn't want to take on Falmer refugees.
But instead of denying the Falmer entirely, which they could probably have done with little effort, the Dwemer saw potential gain. They accepted Falmer refugees, but only on the condition of mass mutilation. The Falmer had to give up their sight.
For the Falmer, the choice was between being enslaved and murdered by the Nords, and blinding themselves and hoping that the Dwemer would stay true to their word. Many Falmer chose the latter, and surrendered themselves onto the Dwemer for protection.
Now, for the Dwemer, this was an ideal situation. They had taken on Falmer refugees, but the blind Falmer were not a threat to the Dwemer. It's uncertain if the Dwemer planned to enslave the Falmer from the start, but it is not unlikely. Some texts imply that the original offer of the Dwemer wasn't just that the Falmer must give up their sight, but that they were to become a servant race from day one. Servant became slave.
As far as the Dwemer were concerned, the entire ordeal was quite profitable.
Over centuries of enslavement and Dwemer interference, their condition changed from "just" permanent and inheritable blindness to horrifying physical and mental degradation.
"Logical" can mean a lot of things.
>>47832754
Dwemer had the right idea about refugees.
>>47832770
It ended in a decades long war in the deep that the Dwemer, despite all their advantaged, never actually won. By creating the Betrayed Falmer, they also lost control over them.
The Dwemer plan did not work as intended.
>>47832770
Wow, great post. Very cool.
Death to rapefugees, right?
I kind of feel like I should emphasise how badly the Dwemer actually handled their new role as slavemasters.
So, from their point of view, they were off to a great start. They had slaves, and the slaves had all been crippled, meaning they weren't a threat.
Now, the fact that they were all blind, and at first not adapted to using other senses to compensate, meant that they were fairly poor slaves at a lot of tasks, but it was nevertheless free workforce.
So it worked great from the onset because of the idea of keeping the Falmer weak. For centuries, it worked pretty fine by all accounts. There's Dwemer torture devices, so discipline was clearly needed, but it nevertheless worked. Even if the centuries matter less if everyone involved is elves.
But here's the great flaw in the Dwemer method. The degradation of the Falmer actually made them harder to control.
There's a big difference between a early Betrayed, which is just a blind elf slave, and what the Falmer became. The Betrayed as a result of Dwemer shenanigans became violent, unstable savages with an unending hate for the Dwemer. Physically, the Falmer were much better adapted to the depths of Skyrim than the Dwemer themselves, and might already then have developed a symbiotic relationship with one of the most terrifying predators in the deep.
>>47833168
The Falmer was no longer weaker than the Dwemer, at least not by as much. The Dwemer had essentially created a race that hated them, and was practically designed for gorilla warfare in the very homes of the the Dwemer. If the War of the Crag was able to go on for decades and decades in what was essentially Dwemer homeland, then the situation was in no way under control. And it was all their fault.
>>47831970
Dragonborn's soul can't be claimed by daedric princes
inked this thingy from last time. just a quick job but hope you guys like it
>>47833369
Looks great, better than the older version where the helmet was way too long.
Best I can draw is pic related.
>>47833179
Pfft, all dwemer had to do was not fuck up numidium, literally everything else is inconsequential.
>>47833495
I'm pretty sure that it didn't take long for a few falmer to escape and start spreading out in caves all over skyrim, where they start growing their own mushrooms, herding chaurus, breeding. Dwemer couldn't hunt them all off.
>>47833369
That's pretty sweet, Anon.
>>47833419
I can't even draw that well.
My only shot at creating anything "decent", in any form of media, is to hope that I manage to hit that "so bad it's good" spot.
>>47818853
Even the one where dragons are actually Tomas the Tank Engine?
>>47816598
I am making an illustration/concept art for Numidium according to which I will make a 3d model of him later because quite frankly I think that all of the current illustrations of Numidium do not rely on what he is and his ingame descriptions enough or just copy Akulakhan which was not Numidium but a Sixth House copy and their symbols can clearly be seen in it's design.
Design will consist of three parts, the organic grown body.
Clearly Dwemer in Vvardenfell were so advanced that their technology was almost semi-organic which was further developed by Sotha Sil. This can be seen in several of their Annimanculi especially the spiders and in the way Akulakhan is constructed. Core difference being that Dwemer plans for Numidium and his other illustrations display a hole in his chest as opposed to his stomach cavity where Akulakhan had Heart installed.
Second layer will be support structures of Numidium, mechanisms and devices attached to him so that his body can actually move at that size and so that Heart of Lorkhan/Mantella can actually be connected to him.
Third part is his outer layer which from illustrations of Numidium in Daggerfall and Arena is a lot Morrowind like, Golem-ish and crude, harsher edges and spikes.
And third part is the Golden skin of broken down Dwemer souls, which will be an aura of sorts that looks more solid in some parts, with Dwemer runes flying around. Another thing that I will implement into his Golden Skin are Dwemer shades following him in his footsteps, I think that Arniel's endeavor in Skyrim is somewhat of a close aproximation of what happens when a guy gets broken down near a Lorkhanic source and Dwemer shades in ruins/shade of Arniel that you can summon are sort of like leftover echoes, maybe Memory part of a trifold with a Animus and Anuic remnant stripped.
>>47833779
Here is base for Numidium, obviously he is super muscular to support his size and even has some additional muscles, his face is not properly formed and he doesn't even have lips, I believe that's the case since in fucking Redguard the schematics of Numidium have visible gums and teeth when his mouth is closed.
>>47832770
So much this.
>>47833779
Please share the 3D model and I'll print it.
>>47833369
Looks a bit like a manlet, check the proportions, but I love the style>>
>>47834243
read this:
>>47832792
>>47833168
>>47833179
it didnt turn out so well in the end
>>47823684
We have a stable general in >>>/vg/tesog and guilds for EU and NA
>>47832770
>>47834243
I wouldn't even care if you want everyone who isn't white dead, just keep that shit on /pol/ instead of derailing this thread.
>>47834294
Read that as 'tesg' and was about to punch your shit in
I can tolerate ESO shilling, fuck the waifufags at /tesg/ though
>>47834277
okay, I will finish the concept by the end of the week after I finish my other work and make the model in a week after that or so
>>47834323
I haven't been at /tesg/ since I found this place.
>>47834354
Same here.
>>47834331
That's great, I'll be here as every other weekend.
>>47834418I'm even getting my gf into elder scrolls lore
>>47833779
>>47834059
Numidium is an EVA confirmed
Mild spoilers for ESO and Oblivion, but this is something that's bugging me.
> Encounter theWrath of Sithis in ESO
> Think this is pants on the head retarded, wonder where they get this from, check a wiki
> Oblivion had the same thing
What is this thing.I thought that Sithis wasn't conscious and more of a force of nature, doesn't make sense to say an entity is the "wrath" of Sithis, unless it's acting the same way a fallen rock is falling due to gravity.
>>47835187
It's probably a Dark Brotherhood "Creation". It may just be a person who thinks he is the "Wraith of Sithis" when in reality he was just a a zealot who was good at executing those who do not follow the tenants. Or it could have been a "Contruct" of sorts that was "programmed" through magic to conduct execution for tenant breakers.
Sithis itself is a force of nature, or a sentient god-like being who looks to mortals like humans do to ants, and really gives no two shits about what mortals do so really it really is just a Dark Brotherhood thing.
>>47820935
If it's like life before the modern era, there probably isn't much free time. Mostly a few games mainly for children and nobles.
>>47821629
>>47821726
Yes, Nords canonically love wrestling. Look up the books on Sovngard.
>>47821871
Sounds cool as hell.
Bretons growing "weeds" that make them hallucinate is canon, but otherwise that sounds like something you might import from Hammerfell, Jungle Cyrodiil, or Northern Elsweyr.
As for the stance on magic, I always assumed it took place in the form of villagers knowing some basic principles of magic. For example, a farmer might know a minor charm to stop insects from eating his crops, or a Smith may hang a horse shoe on his door to ward off misfortune.
>>47835187
>>47835401
I believe Sithis is super conscious if that makes sense, as in his and Anu-El's mind are so grand and such an intrinsic part of existence that no one short of highest tier Et'Ada can even understand the patters in Aurbis and tie it to actions of Sithis or Anui-El.
But yeah that wraith is DB construct, if Sithis was a shitty God that would want you dead and not what he is he could do better than a shitty wraith.
>>47835127
Yep basically.
>>47835663
I basically figured out how I want to have his next layer set up, upper torso was easy because you can literally see it in Redguard Numidium construction notes but lower was a bit harder to figure out.
So I think I have an idea of what most of the racial abilities are like.
Woad is Nords pitting on actual Woad for protection, Bosmer can speak to or sooth animals with their beast tongue, Redguards can put themselves in a stressful state to release adrenaline, Orcs can go Beserk, Dunmer can pray to their ancestors and seek help, Khajiit can see in the dark and can roar, and Argonians can breath underwater due to gills.
That just leaves two I really don't understand. What is the Breton Dragonskin ability and where does it come from? The name itself makes it sound like it has an important part of lore to it, since dragons have to do with Aka and Akatosh. Maybe it has something to do with how they are a mixture of padomayic and anuic like akatosh? Maybe it's a prayer to Akatosh?
Also what is Star of the West supposed to be? I get the Voice/Luck of the Emperor is supposed to be a blessing from Talos and to show off their well spoken and authoritative demeanor, but I don't know what the hell Star of the West is supposed to be.
>>47830420
It could probably get hot and cold, but not enough to damage it during normal use.
>>47832153
The Skaal? I haven't played Dragonborn.
>>47832366
Not that I know of.
>>47836153
Yeah, the Skaal in Dragonborn wear very thick fur coats.
>>47822775
not quite sure who some of those are :
Vivec
Jiub?
Almalexia?
Nerevar
Sotha Sil ?
??
Azura
If Charaus are related to Kwama like somebody theoriezed, I'm pretty sure Shellbugs are related to Silt Striders.
>>47835935
Dragons themselves have a special perk called Dragonskin, but it absorbs 50% of all the damage that is directed at them...except from other Dragons and Dragonborn, they can deal 100%.
I am inclined to believe that Dragonskin ability of the bretons was called due to it's similarity to the ability which actual Dragonskin holds.
>>47836315
You got them all right, but the ?? is Sotha Sil, while the 'Sotha Sil' is Voryn Dagoth.
>>47832153
Eh?
Not like they can change the plot if they want to, I mean, they're the makers of the game.
>>47836409
Hmm. Makes sense, but that doesn't explain what it is or why they have it.
>>47836694
Skaal are part of lore since morrowind and intrinsic to solstheim
>>47835127
More like God Warrior from Nausicaa, but then again EVAs are pretty much rehashed God Warriors.
>>47836870
>>47837394
While the Skaal are part of Solstheim, there's no need to tie them in with Hermaeus Mora or Miraak himself, more than nescecary. Their involvement was more than needed, and too much for my liking.
Is Infernace canon, and if so does that mean there are other elemental realms?
>>47839318
it's in ESO, so it can always be taken with some slight skepticism, even if it's canon it doesn't have any significant implications and doesn't have to be mentioned again in newer games
Has anyone written or read any TES "fanfiction" in the vein of the Infernal City, and by in the vein i mean that it is the story written is original with a basis in established lore. All I could find is poorly written fiction surrounding the CoC or the LD, very dry stuff whereas I think that TES has so much more potential and could be a fun universe to explore with writing. I may attempt this, but I'm curious if anyone else has, thanks.
>>47840099
You could make some short stories like in most ingame books.
>>47832279
The dwemer in skyrim seem to use soul gems to power their constructs, unlike in morrowind. Notice also that black soul gems only became a thing after mannimarco's apotheosis. So, the dwemer found a way to "degrade" the falmer so they could fit into white soul gems and power their machines.
Falmer being slaves just because always annoyed me, seeing the dwemer could possibly make robots that did a better job.
>>47840099
There was an anon here a few times last week who was writing a short story about an Imperial sailor that was pretty good. He might show up again in this thread.
>>47840439
never thought of it that way
very clever anon
>>47840439
Well a falmer soul is "lesser", you think the dwemer refined the souls or the gems, or did they just need a steady supply?
>>47840439
thats actually a very good reason, definitely far superior to "experiments lol"
>>47840439
THAT IS JUST SOME FUCKING BULLfuck, I really like that explanation, earlier I was wondering about falmer's white souls.
>>47840608
in the game some variations of falmer have souls that go all the way up to Grand
for the petty souls they probably used babies i dont know
>>47840439
So they treated the Falmer as subhumans until they literally became subhuman? Fucking brutal.
>>47841090
Dwemer were prettymetal.
