>A druid that instead of killing his enemies, permanently transforms them to harmless animals.
Would that be good or evil /tg/ ? Keep in mind i'm not talking about your average bandit, but things like demons, necromancers etc.
>A wizard that instead of killing his enemies, permanently mind controls them to harmless citizens
Good or evil, it's always a massive dick move.
>>47797078
>A druid that instead of killing his enemies, permanently transforms them into trees. They maintain concious thought, though.
Evil? I'm thinking evil.
>>47797078
Depends on who their enemies are.
>>47797078
Lawful good
>>47797247
The difference is the transformed animals still have free will.
Honestly it feels like a stretch to call one good, and the other evil. But the mind control feels worse to me.
>>47798053
>not transmuting them all into women of preferred race
You had one chance.
>there are no mistakes, just happy little accidents
>all these happy little trees? Just my putting right happy little accidents
>it's my world, I can do whatever I like.
>>47797078
It is in the range of neutral/evil.
After all, you are forcing them into an unnatural life they are unfit for and will probably die painfully not too long after as it would be unnatural for them to adapt to such kind of physical transformation. Even worse if you transform them from mammal into reptiles and whatnot.
Now. It COULD be a more neutral/good thing, if you had someone to keep care of them , and promising to turn them back if they will learn their lesson for good.
>>47797078
>forcibly taking away autonomy
>worse than death
I'm pretty sure most NPCs wouldn't mind, but to anybody who puts value in free will or any degree of philosophy I'm pretty sure they'd fucking hate you with a passion that cannot be put into cute, little words.
>not destroying demons but leaving them in a form that they may one day break free of
I'm gonna say True Neutral. Sealing one's foes represents some manner of care for their well-being, which implies sympathy for their evil nature (but not enough to not seal them, obviously).
>>47797078
>Druid capable of turning demons into animals permanently
DMPC Evil.
>>47802631
I've got a degree in philosophy and I'd prefer being a cat over being burnt to death or mauled by a bear.
>>47802661
Baleful Polymorph
Components:V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range:Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target:One creature
Duration:Permanent
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates, Will partial; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes
>Duration: Permanent
>Target: One Creature
>>47797078
>A druid that instead of killing his enemies, permanently transforms them into cute little girls
Good or evil?
>>47797247
It's okay if it's in self defense.
>>47802683
Good luck doing that on the regular against powerful demons.
Evil. A Druid turns a local hunter into a squirrel. The squirrel's tiny brain cannot hold all the memories of a INT 10 human into its INT 1 brain so 98% of who he was is now gone and all you have left is a smarter squirrel. What about his family and friends? What about the turmoil of his new tiny existence?
>>47802669
What about a bug? You're just going to die in a few weeks anyways, and probably painfully.
>>47797078
>the druid thinks the animals are harmless
>an army of kung fu chickens with grudges and human level intelligence invades the nation
>>47802218
This
>>47802822
Solution. Just turn them into silkies. They'll be too busy running away from children to do anything.
>>47802822
Depends on your edition but in 5e they wouldn't have human level intelligence, their stat block is completely replaced.
>>47802821
Well, a bug wouldn't be able to experience "pain" in the sense that we do, given how differently they process stimuli. Then again, they could experience something equally bad or even worse. I can't really say which I'd prefer, dying painfully now or maybe dying even more painfully in the near future.
>>47802822
>the druid thinks the animals are harmless
>army of geese terrorizes the population
>>47797078
>A druid considers an owl bear to be harmless because it's too many CR levels below him
>>47798053
>Orcs are not all military personnel, kids and women comprised
What a shitty magical realm setting
>>47798053
That shit is evil as fuck who would allow that paladin to exist and not fall?
>>47804252
>Fat kids running from geese
>Nobody in the entire world thinks to just pick up a stick and whack the geese or grab their giant necks and snap em like a whip.
>>47804344
check out the city kid that's never seen a goose in person
>>47804360
I know what geese look like, it's just that I'm not a coward and know when a fucking fat duck is no threat at all to anyone who wears jeans. Even if they attack, all you need to do is grab one and fling it away and it'll stop nipping at you.
>>47804321
I would.
But then, I don't play D&D, so alignment can suck out; it makes your character's motivations as 2d as a graph paper dungeon.
>>47797341
You calling captain planet evil?
Someone's turning into a fucking tree
>>47797078
I wouldn't call it evil, but still kind of dumb.
>Years later, the druid and his team are being attacked by a conspiracy of former BBEGs he turned into animals
>They have risen an army using their newfound animal cuteness and endearing traits
>Their leader is the gorilla wizard.
>>47802730
Obviously the demon is already at the druid's mercy, and then it's just a matter of statistics. Sooner or later it's gonna roll that 1 on its save.
>>47804434
Yeah, you go try that. Remember to record and post vid.
>>47804434
Oh the fucking naivety. Why don't you try grabbing a cobra by the neck and fling it away? Please report the results
>>47797078
That is a fate worst than death. You're litterally suffering for the rest of that animals life thinking "Fucking hells wasn't it great when I had thumbs and the ability to talk commucate to others?"
>>47802793
He explicitly said he was changing evildoers, though, not hunters who stepped on a sapling.
>>47804434
Yeah, you've clearly never actually encountered a goose. Git gud, city-slicker.
>>47804344
how you gonna hold a stick or snap their necks with your arms all broken from their wing attacks?
That's how geese get you, they look like they're all about the head, then, FLAP FLAP, UNLIMITED WING WORKS
>>47797078
You are sentencing a thinking being to a lifetime of mental torture. Maybe even physical torture if the new form has to eat bugs or other unsavoury things. It's a pretty evil act.
However depending on the victim they may not care.
>>47797078
Absolute evil; did you never read Animorphs?
>>47804605
You're thinking of swans, geese are smaller and weaker. Still would run from a group of them, angry birds are fucking scary.
>>47804454
Wait, woah, back up.
When did Captain Planet turn someone into a thinking tree?
>>47804498
>>47804640
That's assuming they're retaining their human intelligence, memories, and goals though. Which *would* be pretty evil, yeah.
If they're actually acquiring an animal-shaped consciousness, though. It's less clear. You might be well be turning a dangerous and unhappy wizard into a harmless and happy housecat to everyone's benefit.
I do think that barring specific requests from the bad guy that you have an ethical duty to go for a housepet, livestock, or small apex predator. If you're just going to turn them into an isolated prey species and wish them the best of luck you might as well just put an arrow through them now and save everyone some time.
>>47804689
We have these angry fucks nesting at my work. Every season some dipshit TPT feeds them and every season someone gets into a fist fight with angry geese.
>>47804774
I know about geese, swans are just larger and stronger and more likely to break your wrists.
>>47804754
Yeah. If you turn them into some kind of bug that survives by living in shit and consuming smaller shitbugs, and yet it retains sentience? That's a pretty evil act.
Unless it was originally some kind of sentient creature that didn't care about that kind of stuff.
>>47804741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJaELXadKo
>>47804344
My dad did that once. A goose was chasing my (at the time) 7 year old little sister around and he just smacked it in the neck with the barrel of his hunting rifle. Killed it nigh instantly and nearly wrapped its neck around the barrel.
>hurt due why didn't he shoot it
7 year old in the line of fire, you imaginary fuckwit.
>>47804855
>I have no mouth and I must scream
>>47804836
Fairly certain bugs are sentient.
>>47804774
Canada Geese are generally pretty chill, as long as it's not nesting season they'll respond to most human contact by moving out of the way. All bets are off if they're raising kids, though.
>>47804953
>We have these angry fucks "nesting" at my work.
Yup.
>>47804482
>>47804491
>>47804594
>>47804605
>Wahh Wahh birdy hurt me when I was 5 so it's evil Wahh Wahh
This is what you pushovers sound like. Geese are not barbarian mailers who murder hundreds in an hour, they're just pests.
>>47805024
What do you think the topic is?
>>47804880
I'm in no way saying that you should waste lead on something that dies to a stick wacking.
>>47797078
>A druid that instead of killing his enemies, permanently transforms them into Canadian Geese
>they're always angry, all the time
Makes sense now...
>>47797078
Pure Evil.
Probably worse than local demon lords.
>>47805106
That's only because the demon lords are controlled by an uncreative GM.
>>47805130
You can be very creative as said druid too after transformation of your victims.
>>47805106
I don't know if I think that sort of thing is more evil than murdering them.
They can always kill themselves if they aren't content being an animal.
>>47805024
Dunning-kruger Effect
>>47804321
any good GM. Whats evil about turning naturally evil creatures into non-evil creatures? He slowly but surely rid the word of a certain evil
>>47805096
>>47804774
>>47804252
I guess this is a Geese horror stories thread now.
>>47805024
They're vicious little fucks, you wouldn't think such a small animal would pose a threat, but they can fuck you up. I'm not saying "GEESE ARE THE INCARNATION OF EVIL AND EXIST SOLELY TO MURDER UNSUSPECTING HUMANS!" but they are quite capable on injuring even an adult if you piss 'em off.
>>47804344
geese are winged death made of feathers and murder held together by pure hatred fueled by the tears of children.
>>47805024
So you gonna post video or not?
>>47804491
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZVm2aVBRU
The bitchiest of snakes
>>47804836
Sapience. The word is sapience.
>>47805844
You realize those cobras have had their fangs removed, right? Calling them bitchy is like saying someone is bitchy for not being able to hurt someone tormenting them while both arms and legs are broken.
>>47805252
One of my bros at college decided to mess with one of the native Canadian geese. Got his arm broken in three places.
>>47797078
Newly emerged local portia spider bandit plague takes nearby village by surprise.
Adventurers lured into cunning trap.
Your adventure begins.
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