Kings of War/Mantic general: "We still have Tomb Kings" edition.
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Old Thread: >>47635840
>>47795357
Really need a bigger resolution image of that pic, I can't see shit
>>47795357
Wow wow wow, when did mantic start on tomb kings? Also, whats with all the focus on deadzone, especially when they finally have the chance to get a good grasp on the fantasy player base?
What's everyone's favorite vampire model?
Current the Russian alternative one I'm eyeing to buy
>>47795744
My flgs has both 9th age and AOS on the 'fantasy' night. I'm trying to chip off the players and convert to KOW one-by-one, but it's rough going.
We need a bigger player base.
>>47795820
I dont believe people should be limited to what games they play, but good luck with that. If they're die hard enough to stick to AoS, I doubt they'll ever truly let go entirely. It might be better to just try and blend it together with them, make it sound like WHFB lite. A sort of middle ground between AoS and 9th.
But I still cant fathom why mantic isn't pushing KoW. We got like, what, the infernals, and undead update since AoS popped? They /really/ should be pushing KoW as hard as possible instead of their weird 40k knock off
>>47795744
They announced the line for Empire of Dust right after Tomb Kings got squatted.
>>47796003
This x1000
This might be of some interest to some people, but pictures of the new Basilean heavy arbalest have popped up.
>>47797823
>Fixed
>Pewter
>Basilean M@A
NEW M@A KIT WHEN
>>47798480
I world seriously kill for a new M@A kit. Reduce the size to make them in scale with the rest of the line. Improve the heads. Add more option bits.
They could even sell extra metal parts to convert them into Brotherhood or Rhorida soldiers.
>>47796003
I agree, but I think the comunity is very healthy, were I live doesn't seem to have any AoS player tough 9th age had caught some steam.
I am currently assembling my KoW army. Only did skirmish before. Any tips on how to progress with painting/playing? Its my second day and I feel pretty tired as the task seems monumental to me.
>>47799823
Make some appropriately sized bases and then put as many models as you can be bothered to on each one.
I'm going for a skirmish aesthetic with my elves, so even without massive unit filler scenery pieces I'm only using about half the standard number of guys per units.
All that matters is base size and being able to identify at a glance what each base is supposed to represent. Should be able to start playing very quickly, then build up the look of the army afterwards.
This is my current assembly line, Im almost 70% done
Crossbowmen Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
OptionsRegiment(20) 5 5+ 5+ 4+ 10 14/16 130 Delete
Men-at-Arms(spear) Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
OptionsRegiment(20) 5 4+ - 4+ 15 14/16 135 Delete
Men-at-Arms(sword) Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
OptionsRegiment(20) 5 4+ - 4+ 12 14/16 115 Delete
Elohi Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
OptionsRegiment(3) 10 3+ - 5+ 9 -/14 195 Delete
OptionsRegiment(3) 10 3+ - 5+ 9 -/14 195 Delete
War-Wizard Hero (Inf)
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Options (1) 5 4+ - 4+ 1 11/13 60 Delete
Phoenix Monster
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Options (1) 10 3+ - 3+ 3 14/16 165 Delete
>>47800010
Seems solid, what army will be your oponent?
>>47800038
Nature and undead
What factions have access to healing
What are the strongest healing options they have
Thinking about Undead having Heal(6)
I don't think any other army comes near that
Non-shambling units include:
Ghouls (cheap tarpit)
Werewolves (light cavalry)
Soul Reavers (Heavy infantry or heavy cav)
Figure I can do anything with just those unit types if I have enough nerve that it's difficult to route without heavy damage, and I can undo any focusfire from them with multiple Heal(6).
>>47800200
Spectres got high def and a horde of skellies with undead dogs has lifeleech 2 and phalanx.
What points size should i be aiming at for a list?
I want to build an Undead army based on the dead in Game of Thrones, with white walkers being Vampires.
>the Vampire will be the Night King.
>the Soul reaver cavalry will be mounted White walkers.
>The undead trolls will be undead giants etc.
Thoughts on this list for play-ability
>>47800200
Elves have Heal (3) on mages as standard.
>>47800200
The Green Lady, of Elves and Forces of Nature, has heal 8
>>47800200
Can anybody spam more healing than the orcs? And it's a good thing too, because we mostly walk and have no ranged attacks.
>>47799823
Painting a whole army is not a small project, but an entire army painted even to a middling standard is attractive on the table.
I advise you to take up batch painting if you have not already, it can be dull but will save lots of time in the long run.
If you don't know, batch painting is when you systematically paint a whole bunch of the same soldiers at once, so you might do all of the armour on them over an evening, or all the leather base coat or the cloth highlight.
>>47800200
I think this is a great idea. You're going to get beat up on the march and the lich king looks like the best way to keep your hordes intact on the way to the battle.
>>47799823
Make yourself a schedule and stick to it. I find characters and monsters more fun to paint than rank-and-file as you can give them a bit more attention, so I use them as a 'reward' for finishing a regiment.
So say you have a regiment of 20 dudes, you could set a goal to paint a rank of five each day from Monday to Thursday and then paint a captain or something on the Friday as a change of pace.
>>47795820
Just make sure to set a night @ your flgs and stick to it. When players see that people are showing up regularly it will grow on it's own. We started with just myself and another guy. We have 60+ players now.
And how is KoW community now on the matter of custom models. Basicly I want to make my basilea to have a more dark fantasy broken feel and use some of my other miniatures , mainly I want to put in the middle of my unit a monster as a corrupted or dead elohi that is still clinging to life but can't function as an Ur-Elohi or be part of the angelic troops so he teams up with regular humans as their mascot.
I plan to put the wet nurse with a sisterhood horde and add some townsfolk women and children into the unit to craft an image of a cult that is much more basic in nature. Lets say this elohi got captured by the forces of the abyss which corrupted it with its dark magic and after they were done playing with it they threw it in with other prisoners of war and slaves (moslty widows and children). During months if not years of slavery the prisoners would develop this relationship with the twisted elohi which helped them survive by using its milk and some holy magic that it possessed and they would in turn protect it with fanatical zeal creating this zealotry cult of the Ash widows which consist of women of all ages clumping around their big breast tumor saint and beating everything that comes close while the monster does the healing
For the smoke armor I will put him along with paladis as this guy is just a ghost of an elohi who got zapped into nothing by a thunderstorm but was so full of fury that his spirit possesses this giant clump of armor that follows the paladin foot guards who swore an oath to keep fighting to the last untill the ghost is satisfied and can pass on.
Why do third party ratmen lines from different makers include chariots? Not only does that not fit in with the game systems most would use them for (Warmaster, Kow), but doesn't even make sense. Why would subterranean creatures have chariots?
Alas, I need to turn to geedubs models for my non-infantry needs. These Warmaster Rat Ogres cost me a pretty penny. It would appear that the Skaven specifically are very rare compared to other armies. Models at least look nice.
>>47802989
Well, given that you don't even need to use Mantic models, conversions are awesome. Hell, so are entire "counts as" armies; within reason (base sizes must be right, player must be upfront about what everything is).
Thinking about grabbing Dungeon Saga, anyone have it? How is it?
>>47795820
All the fantasy players at my store switched to KoW a while ago, and the owner started weekly events for it. Feels great.
>>47803513
It doesn't suffer from the roadblocks that SDE does, but it lacks a lot of the options that Descent has, and I would just recommend that for now. Supposedly there is an expansion that lets you customize and create characters among other things, so if you can get your hands on that then it may be worth it.
>>47802989
That woould work perfectly, as long as everything is based properly. I have been using a bunch of my Mierce figures along with GW Gors and Ungors to make up a Herd army as I wouldn't be able to use them otherwise due to no one playing Darklands.
Keep in mind that being 35mm, the average human sized Kingdom Death dude probably won't fit on a 20mm base. You can use the Storm Knight as an Ur-Elohi and say that it is your reincarnated paladin without any trouble.
>>47803048
You may want to look at http://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?lexicon/475-the-vermin-swarm-vs/ along with the model suggestion threads on the Mantic forums for ideas. Ratmen are of course going to be less common than Orcs and Elves and such, but there are some good options out there.
>>47802603
60 players? 60? WOW. Where are you? I'm guessing London.
> tfw got my greendudes ready for scrapping, but no opponent...
>>47805131
kek. Upside down of course...
>>47803796
10mm Warmaster scale. Hard part is Daemonspawn and Rat Monstrosity. Neither of which geedubs made, or any 3rd party.
>>47805247
And yeah, I've thought about 28mm scale models for the large monsters, and it doesn't look right. Heads are too big, scale is all wrong.
>>47805291
As somebody trying to figure out how to Night-stalker with my 40k tryanids, I can confirm that there is almost no place in this game for something the size of a hive tyrant.
>>47805242
> Oldhammer orcs
Aww yeah
>>47805247
Can somebody please loan me 7k? I'll pay you back as soon as my complete run of 'X-Force' from the 90's appreciates and I cash in.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-Fantasy-Skaven-Army-13k-points-All-Well-Painted-with-Unified-Style-/301975038747?hash=item464f1d6b1b:g:TiEAAOSwDuJW1C~k
>>47805429
I'm honestly not sure how big the current one is, I haven't played 40k since 3e, but from what I've seen, geedubs monsters are now enormous. The oldschool 2e "screamer killer" carnifex or ogre sized Hive Tyrant are more in line with the sizes 28mm KoW uses (comfortable on a 50mm base).
My 28mm Skaven Verminlord is more than comfortable on that. The base is a little big for him, in fact, but given his huge weapon and tail fit over it, its just as well.
Unfortunately, there is no 10mm Verminlord. Or alternative at all. unless I just used a generic demon, which is no fun. I don't have the skills to convert a solid metal mini to that degree.
>>47805457
DESU, these guys had been sitting on the shelf for 20 years until my buddy introduced me to KOW. The last whfb game I played was pic related.
KOW is tits. This game is so good.
>>47805471
>That exalted verminlord
Why they ever got rid of that model will awlays be a mystery to me.
>>47805547
Because they needed to push the garbage that is the plastic kit. The busy, roided out monstrosity that takes a concentrated effort to even make out what its supposed to be.
My advice to anyone doing Ratkin is to buy the old pewter Verminlord. He's rather small and fits the bases KoW uses. While you can use bases larger than the recommended, its a tactical disadvantage, because it makes your monster easier to flank. I didn't even convert mine, he doesn't need wings to "fly", he can skitterleap. Lore friendly.
>>47803513
5 player only
>>47805610
You can just do what everyone else here does: use the 50x50 base regardless of the size of the model. Even if the base is entirely hidden under the model and has more hanging over the sides than it has directly on top of it.
I love KoW but that habit really irks me.
>>47807969
Here being my local group, not /kowg/
>>47807969
I've been wondering what I could use my GW chaos warrior chariot for, maybe a chieftan on direfang? Base is 20mm too long and the profile doesn't have any thunderous charge, not sure what else I could use. Could give it the Speed boost item, Spd 6 is a bit slow for a chariot. Any other ideas ?
>>47809263
Ally with KoM and use its chariots
>>47807969
I have some stuff in my ogre army that overhangs the default 40x40 by quite a lot, so I just have spare empty bases handy that I can swap it out with if it becomes a problem.
>>47809758
Would need more than one chariot and as I've only just started the force I don't wanna buy heaps just yet. Also they have bows, not sure how well that represents WoC..
>>47811088
Fair enough. Taking a Krudger on Chariot and a regiment of orcs or maybe even orclings to support it might be a better idea.
>>47810757
It also depends where it overhangs the base. Up really high, like most dragon models? That's cool, because it will usually be over other models.
This thing here overhangs really low, so it can't actually make contact in frontal or rear charges.
>>47811130
My specific one just has a really big weapon. Most infantry can fit under, but some can't, so I have a backup ready.
>>47811130
What if you modelled a big rock or something on the base, thus lifting the model up and allowing it to make base contact?
>>47811215
That would fix the issue. And with minis like pic related it would even be intuitive since its meant to be height 4.
>>47811130
Why not just use a longer base? The rules for monsters state that you can use any size that is at least 50mm with a few exceptions.
>>47811273
Its a tactical disadvantage to use a bigger base.
But I agree, that base is disgusting.
>>47811262
Also if you don't like a big plinth you could make a 'ramp' of sorts so only the front end is really lifted up. This lets it fit in all situations except when it's rear charged.
>>47811273
That's my stated problem: A larger base is legal, but players rarely use a larger base because it's a disadvantage.
>>47811312
What if you just got a block of wood or something with the same footprint as the base, then when you need to move into base contact, put the block down instead and put the model on top of it?
Kinda like how some people use blocks to balance movement trays on uneven terrain.
>>47811130
Oh man, I want to fight you so bad...
>>47812185
You want to fight me, the guy who posted, or the guy who owns the model?
>>47812222
all three
at once
ya big poof
>>47795357
Quick question: Where can I find the dimensions for a unit formation's base, that way I can multibase my skele hordes?
Tomorrow going to have a match of 3k against Undead with my KoM.
Any advice about this list? I haven't played 3k before and I'm not sure if its enough inspiring.
>>47812995
http://www.manticgames.com/SiteData/Root/File/FREE%20RULES/KoW-rules.pdf
>>47812995
In the core rulebook.
Have fun, multibasing is one of the ways in which KoW excels in the hobby aspect. That way you can make a diorama and make it looks like your skeletons are actually in a graveyard.
What do you guys think of Kaba's Holy Hand Grenades? I never really see them used but they can put out a few pretty solid hits if they do go off. Still, 25 points.
Also - do Vicious (from Abyssal Dwarf) or Elite (from Elves) apply to a Holy Hand Grenade Attack (and for the Abyssal Dwarfs, do their Mastiffs benefit from Vicious?)
>>47813655
>What do you guys think of Kaba's Holy Hand Grenades?
Solid way to fill a spare 25 points, particularly on a standard bearer or some such.
>Also - do Vicious (from Abyssal Dwarf) or Elite (from Elves) apply to a Holy Hand Grenade Attack
Yes.
>the Abyssal Dwarfs, do their Mastiffs benefit from Vicious?)
Yes, because Mastiffs count as a weapon being used by the vicious unit.
>>47797242
any word on the release date?
So... fast Def 6 individuals.
Ridiculous roadblocks, or fairly costed tools?
>>47815759
5th of August according to Might Ape.
>>47816989
Mantic tournament pack erratas them to def 5+.
Not official rules, but many tournaments are playing those rules and many playing them in their casual games, too.
>>47818189
Isn't it just the Ahmunite Pharaohs that are dropped to def5?
>>47818207
and cursed pharaohs.
and yeah my bad, I forgot there were others.
>>47818618
The grievous part of the pharoahs were that they were base def 6 so they could get wings and be anywhere. But units with def 5 can get ensorcelled armour, for example a mounted general with high nerve and def 6 can simply walk 1.1" in front of a horde of zombies and prevent it from having any meaningful participation for the rest of the game.
Or worse, it could walk in front of a unit just before a critical charge, so that you are unable to charge the desired target.
>>47818806
Shame on me for not occurring to me there were others really, because that's how I use the Green Lady.
>>47802989
That idea is awesome, add some ERE units for the rest of infantry too.
Does anyone have a good supplier of halfling minis ?
>>47797823
If the rest of the Basilean line would be of this standard I would consider starting a Basilean army.
>>47824546
The Littlewars halflings are my personal favorite, and they fit the 16th-17th century German theme very well.
>>47824546
If you're willing to hold out for a bit until they're on general sale, Westfalia did a recent kickstarter for excellent medieval-style Halflings and The Assault Group did another one for really good Landsknecht-style ones.
>>47824546
>>47827211
White Knight minis has a bunch of 16th century germany themed ones as well.
>>47827270
The TAG kickstarter was for mass-production of White Knight minis, they've done the same before with their dwarfs.
Used to basing everything on 25mm, and trying to do 20mm as that seems to be KoW standard. Fuck they're tiny, you can't fit shit on them.
>>47827677
Which army specifically? Either way, try multibasing. It is much more roomy and gives you some nice diorama opportunities.
>>47828184
I really don't want all my minis stuck to a plank that's only useful for one game. Sure, they look great, but I use these same ones for Frostgrave, SOBAH, D&D and as display pieces. I'm kinda meeting halfway by using some scenic unit fillers and different sized bases, though.
>>47828281
Base your unit fillers on larger bases or whatever then use movement trays, dude.
>>47828300
that's exactly what I'm doing?
>>47828281
Fair enough. In my experience all GW figures are made to fit 20mm bases short of Orcs and Chaos Warriors, whose KoW equivalents give them exceptions. Are you sure that you haven't misread something? Either way you may want to just do what >>47828300 said as a movement tray made for a 20mm regiment can still fit your 25mm based dudes, but with 4 man ranks instead of 5 which is perfectly legal in game.
>>47828324
Oh. What's the problem then?
>>47828454
Many minis don't fit nicely on 20mm bases, let alone with enough room to base nicely, or rank up
>>47828394
I'm not using GW figures.
>>47828648
KoW has provisions for 25mm bases, see >>47813048 , Also remember the 60% rule, you don't need to include the full compliment of miniatures specified for a unit size, just 60% of them.
I.e. a regiment of (nominally) 20 dudes can consist of as few as 12 models, just space them out a bit.
>>47828756
m8 i'm not an idiot, I've read the rules, I've played the game.
I'm just having a big old bitch about these annoying ass minis wot I am using.
>>47828799
Fair enough, have fun with your bitchin'.
>>47828648
Then use your figures on 25mm bases. They will rank nicely after you do that and put them in appropriate movement trays. The only real problem you could ahve is space in the back of the tray, but that shouldn't be a problem in any case.
What figures are you using anyways? If they are Reaper or Privateer Press figures then of course they are going to be larger than is standard due to how Americans measure scale.
>not playing orcs or salamanders
>>47818806
At what point can a hero not be overrun? When he is on a mount? When he is on a chariot? Where is this stated?
Also, when does he get 2x attacks for flanking? Where is this stated?
Thanks - new to the game and trying to get my rules down.
I want to put together a Basilia army with all ladies. Anybody have any opinions on about where to find best-looking fantasy warrior-maidens?
>>47830110
Right now you can pledge for the Raging Heroes righteous warrior ladies through paypal on their website. They are about to end it so you may want to get to it quickly.
>>47829986
It's in the individual rule.
Individual means you always can be overrun.
Flanking never, but they always treble attacks on War Engines (that's a war engine rule - things attacking it treble their attacks)
>>47829986
In many cases you lose the Individual rule when picking certain mounts like winged beasts. By doing so, you lose all the perks and dissadvantages of Individual.
>>47830144
>Hope that these are good Sisters of Sigmar look alikes
>They are actually just Sisters of Battle but fantasy-fied
>The Mantic Sisters suck
>Actual Sisters of Sigmar go for a fortune
When will the suffering end
>>47830531
I'm looking to start KoW and go halves with a friend with the Mega two player set, (Dwarfs), are they a good army to start with?
Also who make good Dwarf minis (besides GW and Scibor, hot dang Scibor doe mmmm)
>>47833126
They are pretty great, if slow. Momminiaturas and Avatars of war have some than aren't that bad priced and good, reaper bones has some too but too colorful for a tipical unit.
>>47833126
The Russian Alternative sells some of the best quality fantasy miniatures. Their none-evil dwarf selection is kinda small but the detail on them is crazy.
>>47833126
Momminiaturas, Scibor and RA have the best dwarves out there I think
>>47812270
>Wants three guys at once
>Calling other people poofters
>>47830174
>>47830472
So does a mounted hero benefit from -1 to hit with ranged weapons?
Does a mounted hero get x2 attacks when flanking opponent?
So does a hero Monster benefit from -1 to hit with ranged weapons?
Does a hero monster get x2 attacks when flanking opponent?
So does a hero chariot benefit from -1 to hit with ranged weapons?
Does a hero chariot get x2 attacks when flanking opponent?
In other words, when does an individual cease to use the individual rules?
>>47833126
Does it say 'individual' in the profile? Then it's an individual.
When you purchase an upgrade, does it say 'loses individual'? In that case, it's no longer one.
>>47835742
Meant to be at
>>47835705
soz bro
>>47830144
Those are lovely, but I was hoping for something a little less sexy? I can probably find a couple a couple of sculpts for heros in there, but mostly I am looking for fully clothed warrior-priest ladies - not porno-vixens in their starkers.
anybody going to Origins in Columbus OH today? There is a KOW tournament/event at 4:00PM.
>>47835705
>when does an individual cease to use the individual rules?
When it actually says they lose it, or when it doesn't list it under their special rules. Look at the KoM General and the General on Winged Beast to see how it's shown. Note the individual rule.
>>47830110
>good looking
>miniatures of women
Pick one.
>>47833537
The far left one has a cool hat, good quality overall for what I see.
>>47833537
I would be buying entire armies of these kind of minis if they scaled back the heroic proportions.
>tfw painted 40 another archers today
I'm enlightened by my own bones
*dip skeleton*
>>47842111
Wew lad, what colours are you using? Or theme of your army.
>>47842444
Ophidian army, the final result will look like that before matte varnish.
>>47833537
shill
>>47842536
So shiny, don't you have something to dull them up or is that style the one you want for them? Also nice skellyes mate.
>>47842872
As he said
>before matte varnish
I do like the skeletons though, and thoroughly hope that they start being sold again.
>>47842872
I'll put matte varnish on the soldier, but I honestly like the shiny aspect a lot on the skellies.
>>47842536
Where are these skeletons from?
>>47843311
Wargames Factory skeletons. Somewhat Greek styled.
>>47843311
Wargames Factory, but they have been bought by Warlord Games last year and the skellies may have disappeared from the store
>>47843349
> Somewhat Greek styled.
I believe they're based on that old Jason and the Argonauts movie.
>>47843349
>>47843374
Yep, looks like they're gone. Any other sources for skeletons of that style - no armour?
Results from another tourney in Australia.
I've yet to hear of a tourney that had a Nertican army competing.
>>47807704
Is that bad?
>>47807704
It's not, I've seen games played with fewer. Each person just controls more than one hero.
>>47844152
Nobody plays it.
In the Army Builder data file the Trident Realm has the unique honor of not even being present.
>>47845063
Think they'll become more common now that there are official models for naiads?
>>47795746
Pic?
>>47803048
Oh..are you doing KOw in 10mm?
So what's Basilea's sorta playstyle? I took them to be the Bretonnian analogy, but then I read about the Brotherhood.
Also, any recommendations on decent looking non-Mantic models for them? I can't stand Mantic's style.
>>47846967
Between their knights, panthers, elohi, phoenix and mounted heroes they can run a really fast hard-hitting force or even a flying circus.
They also have decent infantry options, although not many infantry hammers. They have enough ranged options for a mixed arms force but not enough to try a gunline.
If you don't like the mantic models you could try to use ancient Roman or Byzantine figures.
Page 9 bump
>>47834281
RULE NUMBER 6 (There is no rule number 6)
>>47842536
ignore hateposters. Love the skellingtons, mate. 10/10 would crush into meal.
>>47844152
We had 14 players at Origins in columbus OH.
1) Orcs
2) Dorfs
3) Big-hat EEEEVIL dorfs.
> I should have won the whole thing, but my dice went cold.
>>47846967
Take the Perry knights and headswap them with something from Max Minis or even the Mantic heads. A lot of the figures have GW High Elf equivalents too like the panther chariot and the phoenix, while the priests and the penitents have Empire equivalents.
>>47842536
Do you use Undead or Empire of Dust for your list?
What are some good minis for Nightstalkers as they currently dont have models? A friend suggested using GWs 'nids bit I'm wondering if there's better options.
>>47858036
Undead, because I run some living dudes as ghouls.
>>47854792
thanks lad
>>47859710
I use my nids and they do alright, but I admit some of the parallels are forced.
Also, I haven't really found a NS list that I like. They have good shooting, but shooting is mostly crap when it comes to winning time.
>>47859948
Just got the book today but my friend said Nightstalkers lack a lot of shooting from armies he's seen people play, Is that just an issue of picking the wrong units? Also I notice they have a pretty low defense, how does that fare in game?
>>47860022
There are only a few actual shooting units in NS.
1) The spectres, ra 4+ piercing 1 firebolt troops/regi 100/140pts
2) Mind Screech - Ra4 Firebolt Piercing 3 Height 2 Monster 230 pt
3) Screamer - Lightning Bolt (5) Height 2 Monster 115 pt
>Def 4 and how it fares
Painfully, especially if the enemy has shooters that ignore the Stealthy rule (eg magic/breath)
NS is a difficult army that I'm still confused on how to properly use.
>>47860103
Mind screech+ size 0 screeners works flawlessly
>>47860804
Is there anything special about the fact that they're height 0 or is it just because needlefangs are cheap as hell?
Because height 0 acts sort of like an obstacle
("“Height 0 units”: Like obstacles, these are considered to be height 1 for determining cover, but never block Line of Sight. ") - FAQ
So they'll still give the enemy cover bonuses which makes them vaguely equivalent to eg height 1 scarecrows as a screen although 'crows have higher nerve and are shambling while needlefangs are pathfinder vanguarders.
Hi guys, i am looking to start a ratkin army, anybody has some good minis they would advice?
>>47862651
The old Warhammer Quest Skaven can be gotten off ebay for very cheap. Black Tree Designs also have some metal stuff (still cheap), albeit in a distinctly Oldhammer style.
Black Tree are also the only source I've found so far for Warplock Jezzails/Clawshots that aren't ludicrously expensive.
>>47862780
Thank ypu, i am liking black tree stuff a lot
>>47862900
By the way, those 'special offer ends in...' signs on each page can be ignored, as soon as they run out they just start again.
Basically the 'sale' is perpetual.It's like the DFS of wargaming.
>>47862956
Damn, that's great, prices were looking a bit steep without the discount, thank you
>>47859948
>>47860022
>>47860103
Here's my take on Nightstalkers.
It's not really much good, but I just wanted a fun list that can wack down a whole lot of big monsters.
Todays work: Soulreaver Cavalry
>>47866051
A reminder that Mantic painting is shit and minis can look way better than what they show.
>>47861546
Well aren't the mind screech s3 ? Anyway I've seen the nightstalkers played as a shooting-heavy army, mostly.
>>47868678
Oh I'm stupid, they are s2. I guess you got to run the screamers behind other infantry for good cheese since they dont get maluses. I've not seen the shooty infantry being used so far.
This weekend I have a 6k points match, Herd vs Elves. We'll play in 6mm scale, inches to cm, bases divided by 2,5, and empty cardboard bases.
Here's my list. Thoughts?
>>47829683
>Playing x25 base infantry.
What a fuckboy.
>>47871150
>6000pt 6mm army
I want pictures of this game, you hear!
Are they Microworld Games figures?
As to your list, I'm not even sure how things would work with so many points. 9 Mounted Shamans seems a lot, but perhaps you need the inspiring and crushing strength. I'd like to see a few units of harpies since they are so useful for getting into awkward and disrupting shooters.
>>47871340
We don't have miniatures yet, but if it works well we'll buy them. For the moment we are using paper and cardboard pieces of the right dimensions.
Maybe I'll get some harpies, you're right, could be usefull.
I'll still post pics of it this weekend, i promise!
>>47867044
They really should work on fixing their painting problems.
>>47867044
I am more than reasonably certain they are getting models painted en masse by some Chinese company. The newer miniatures are really very good multi-part models with just mediocre paint jobs on them.
>>47871154
I actually play elves and night-stalkers
Probably doesn't change your view of me though huh
So I got the Undead Megaforce, seems to me it's on the light side as I had to take a large amount of costs to barely reach 1500, what are some good additions to make the list closer to 2000?
>>47879277
>no vampires
what kind of undead list is this
Is that 1 source of surge+inspiring? And on a unit that has a total of four different spells? That seems unnecessary - you realize you can only cast 1 a turn, right?
>>47879329
I bought the books and force yesterday, and I'm only using stuff from the mega-force box, so no Vamps, and I only grabbed the extra spells to add points.
So wait hold up.
I want to make a frozen-themed snowmen army, but I don't know what to use as regular infantry and I don't know what to run them as, and I want to make imperial russian-themed abyssal dwarf army.
Why not merge those two ideas ?
>>47879426
>but I don't know what to use as regular infantry
I imagine snowmen would be super easy to make out of greenstuff.
>>47879426
>imperial russian-themed abyssal dwarf army.
Scibor has some bits that could help.
>>47879443
Yeah but, I can't make an army with only snowmen and snow giants, it would be dull as shit.
>>47867044
This I really don't get. When you are already an established company selling multipart plastic kits and riding KS like crazy, why not shell out the money for one or two basement dwellers that are amazing at painting? Like, just take 'Eavy Metal salaries and multiply it by 1,2. You'd be swimming in painters and still pay practically nothing.
>>47830110
For half a minute I was convinced that this was 15mm.
GW's HUEGNESS trend really fucks with size perception.
>>47879837
I know some GD winners who would be happy to do it for pretty cheap.
>>47879837
>>47880097
I know people who literally paint better than whoever the fuck Mantic hired for beer.
Fucking beer.
Not even good beer, I got 10 guys done for a 30 rack of rolling rock. Motherfucking. Rolling. Rock.
>>47879478
One of the upcoming armies is the Northern Alliance, which has yetis and ice elves among other garbage. I am sure that they would work. And as that other guy said, balls of greenstuff with fake snow glued on can make some snowmen that could work for your army.
>>47881276
Is there any sign of Northern Alliance happening some time in the next two years?
>>47884383
Not yeti.
I asked in the old post, so I'm trying luck again, someone has the old edition suplements? Basilean Legacy, Hellfire and Stone, and Kings and Legends
It would be greatly aprecciated, the books contain a lot of fluff and it's usefull to start giving more deep to this game, and start forgetting the old WH setting.
>>47885826
They're all on sale on Mantic Digital for 4 pounds each.
bump for zombies
Immortel: ad vitam-inspired werewolves.
>>47889593
>>47859948
I have seen pictures of Dark Eldar models used for Nightstalkers, Mandrakes and Haemonculus stuff mainly. Looks alright but a little to sci fi for my taste.
I have been thinking about doing a Nightstalker army myself, if only for the conversion potential. I haven´t fully committed myself to it yet, but I´ll happily share some ideas. It´s always fun to help fellow hobbyists!
Malifaux models:
Multibased Death Marshalls would make for cool Specters. Fitting with their shooting attack. The Carver would make for an excellent Dream Hunter. The Doppelganger, The Dreamer, the Mysterious Effigy and Teddy would all work as Shades or Horrors. The Sorrows are Phantoms, an alternative would be GW´s Spirit Hosts or any ghostly models really. Insidious Madnesses, The Depleted, Waldgheists, Gaki and Wicked Dolls all fit the Boogeyman/monster theme but I don´t know what to run them as. Could be unit fillers I suppose.
>Cont.
>>47891335
>Cont.
As for Blood Worms I´m thinking about removing the snouts from Skaven Plauge Monks and painting their garbs as flayed skin. Pic related was my inspiration. Some Anon in an undead thread suggested they were empty suits of stolen skin, constantly hunting for fresh replacements and the idea stuck with me. Nightstalkers are desperate to inhabit anything physical after all. Alternatively the Goblin warriors from the Hobbit game have that Guillermo Del Toro "Don´t be afraid of the dark" tooth fairy look. They might get their Lifeleech from stealing your teeth? Mantic Ghouls and Warhammer Flagellants would be a great base for Reapers. Give them some nasty knives and cleavers (or replace their hands all together) and Green stuff some hoods, potato sacks and masks over their faces for that slasher movie look. Dark Eldar Mandrakes are perfect Doppelgangers, a cheaper alternative is, again, ghouls with their faces filed off/covered with Green stuff. For Butchers I`m thinking of the same general ideas as for the Reapers but bigger models. Ogres, Trolls, Chaos Spawn, Crypt Horrors, there is plenty to work with here. Hell, even those awful Mantic "Skipped Leg day" Trolls would work wonderfully, seeing as Nightstalkers are formed from nightmares and aren´t restricted by physical proportions.
The mount of the Warhammer Maggoth Lords could be a great Shadow Hulk. Big, bulky with plenty of open sores. Paint the skin really dark, and paint the boils as eyes.
When I try to describe what the Nightstalkers are, I say that they are the things children say are hiding under their beds and in their closets. the things crawling around in cellars and attics, and the things watching you from the darkest woods. An old bed floating on top of a Balewind vortex would be a good Portal of despair, or just the vortex itself. It has screaming faces in it after all. I would love to have a scary looking Treeman as well. Dead branches, rooting bark and skeletons hanging from it.
>>47891769
>Comment too long. Apparently.
Anyway, I´m not sure what to use the treeman as. Terrors have Shambling, Ensnare and Regeneration, but low Defense and low Chrushing Strength for a being of solid wood. Maybe another Shadow Hulk?
Inspired by Rise of the Guardians I thought I´d make Nightmares from Warhammer Dark Rider horses, maybe floating on top of Spirit Hosts. Their Direwolves make simple Shadowhounds, they have a nice Banshee as well. Needle-fangs are just any spiders, worms and evil pixie models you can find mounted together on a big base. I have no ideas for Screamers and Mind-Screeches I´m afraid.
And I just discovered that, like a dumb ass, I replied to No.47859948 instead of No.47859710 who asked for good minis. Well, I hope SOMEONE found these ideas helpful or inspiring. Happy modeling!
>>47884383
The book is coming after the historical book, which means either late late this year, or first quarter next year.
>>47892558
Source on that?
>>47894939
It was in Ronny's interview at adepticon. You can also look at confirmations from staff members on the Mantic forums among other things.
>>47894939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_MLK40CPBA
