What does knighthood mean to you?
Killing Lithuanians.
>>47794849
To stand as a mighty bulwark for the land, to serve with courage and honor, and to carry out my duty unto death.
>>47794849
Some guy in a crown hit you on the head with a sword, but not hard enough to kill you.
>>47794849
Little boys
>>47794849
It's where the knights live
Knighthood means heavy armor. That'll slow you down.
A king-blessed mercenary, trying his best to uphold the traditions and ideals of his kingdom and erradicate its enemies
Basically a western samurai
>>47794849
Killing elves.
>>47794849
Protect the innocent. Punish the guilty. Uphold your vows. Obey your lord.
>>47795103
please tell me how your light armor helped you avoid the sarlac pit?
>>47794849
To obey your lord.
To protect your lady.
To uphold the honor of the land.
To fight with utmost civility.
And to die with nary a hatred in your heart.
>>47795112
Where the fuck did the samurai=knights thing come from anyways? I mean, I sort of get some of it. Both are technically a warrior caste of sorts who tended to bow to a particular authority, but for the most part Knights were sort of just fancy titles given to nobles who were trained in swordplay and riding from birth, and samurai were sort of a weird mercenary headhunting death cult.
Knights have almost always been heavy cavalry, whereas samurai were initially horseback archers, then they became heavy infantry/whateverthefucktheywant.
>>47795146
What? You still exist? I thought you'd gotten the picture that no one thinks you're funny and that you're a living embarrassment.
>>47794849
Having levels in the knight class.
>>47794849
Never work again
Fuck peasant bitches
Yeahh
Hey snake is there a helmet retexture that matches your armor hidden away somewhere?
>>47795315
Wrong thread
>>47795274
>>47795224
knights were also weird warrior cultists, it was later that they became just fancy nobles with swords
>>47795112
>Mercenary
No. FFS people, look up what the word fucking means. This is made even more ridiculous when there was a huge proliferation of medieval mercenaries that existed contemporary to knights
To answer your question OP: it depends on the era, but most generally it refers to the Medieval European system of cavalry being stocked almost exclusively with sons of aristocratic families - a system they inherited from the Romans.
Arms and armour weren't standard issue yet so most anything you fought with was what you could afford. Only the rich could plausibly own, train and maintain horses so it makes sense.
Also, important to note that knights were not exclusively horsemen and some never picked up a sword or rode a horse in their life. It's a complex medieval cultural concept that doesn't quite translate to our modern world.
>>47795224
Besides their roles in the battlefield, the general concepts translate fairly well if not examined too thoroughly...
Pseudo-militaristic class of nobility that also fulfilled bureaucratic roles. Samurai, like Knights, are reimagined quite romantically.
>>47795476
also, both are portrayed as awesome swordsmen when actually they rearely used swords outstide of dueling
>>47795517
Well, it's not technically false that Edo era Samurais had a fucking hard-on for swordsmanship but like you said they weren't married to it and many abandoned conventional weapons almost immediately when fire arms began entering Japan in large numbers.
>>47794849
A fancy title that means fuck all in the grand scheme of things.
>>47795112
Knights roamed the lands, challenging other knights to duels to the death in between doing chivalrous acts with no thought of compensation whatsoever(or just enough to purchase food if they were flat broke with no churches to hit up)
Read that again
Knights roamed around joining causes they deemed as being good and just, without seeking compensation.
Those knights aren't fairy tales, they were crazy zealous nutcases terrorizing the countryside banditry in the name of chivalry and high adventure.
You don't know what a mercenary is.
>>47795517
To my understanding a knight's use of the sword was a dueling-centric affair, so while many of them didn't use swords very often in battle (again, heavy cavalry) they probably could kick the ass of any other contemporary swordsman if it really came down to it.
To my understanding however, the advent of the longsword might have tweaked this. I've heard snippets about knights using longsword-and shield from horseback, essentially just using the longsword as some sort of lance.
>>47794849
Thall shalt protect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them.
Knighthood is about giving yourself for the good of others and making yourself a light to brighten the darkness of our world.
>>47795702
>Knights
>Roaming
No. The "Knight-Errant" is 10,000% a literary concept made popular by Arthurian legends and not something that actually happened in real life. Knights occupied an important position within Medieval society as professional soldiers.
Infantry in Medieval Europe was comprised of militas formed by peasants, sure but the peasantry was almost exclusively subsistence farmer so they couldn't afford to be gone from their (lord's) land too long. In larger battles, it was almost certain that if you could afford it, you would pay for mercenaries to supplement your forces. Being a soldier back then usually required a lifetime of training, nothing like modern day conscription.
Knights were your first and last line of defense generally and could deploy quite quickly due to being cavalry. They were always on-call.
>>47795850
>Implying Arthurian recounting recorded by literate monks is fictitious
Next you're gunna say Beowulf isint a true story.
>>47795703
Wrong, in fact the evolution of the sword ties very closely to battlefield armours (Pretty good video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldqZDunfXo). Swords were very VERY much loved by knights. Hell, a large chunk of lower class people in the militia couldn't even afford swords. Although there's a large dependence on the context of when they'd be used (of course if spears were better, they'd use spears), so it's not to say they always used swords.
Also knights didn't always STAY on horses, eventually knights migrated to wanting to fight on foot more often than not (due to it being harder to kill an armoured foe when on horse).
Duels were also a hell of a lot rarer than you'd think. To the point where they generally negligible when it comes to knights.
Also longsword wouldn't improve horse combat. You don't use two hands on your sword on horseback. So the arming sword (which the longsword evolved out of) would be suitable enough.
So I guess if I were to largely sum up what I'm trying to say in this god awful ramble; it depends on the context and time. Both swords and spears were used depending on when they were better. And one wasn't vastly rarer than the other over all. I'm pretty sure swords were used more often over all.Forgive me for bad grammar or mixed up statements. I'm a little too stoned for this right now.
>>47795850
This
>>47795190
Well, he used his backpack to blow up the Sarlacc from inside and get blasted out.
Maybe he'd have been too heavy otherwise.
In return for land and peasants to work it, you fight and die for some rich guy.
To protect the world from devastation,
To unite all people within our nation,
To denounce the evil of truth and love,
To extend our reach to the stars above
>>47796330
JESSIE
>>47794849
Doing what must be done to protect those who can't protect themselves.
Standing between the innocent and the ill will of wicked men.
Holding fast to your principles regardless of what the world says.
>Pic related sums it up nicely.
>>47794849
Killing mudslimes
Being a robot from the future, sent back in time to destroy all elves, everything that was an elf, and everything that might be related to elves.
>>47795702
>Those knights aren't fairy tales, they were crazy zealous nutcases terrorizing the countryside banditry in the name of chivalry and high adventure.
They're landed nobles, Dumbass. They have castles and shit.
>>47795063
Underrated post
>>47794849
Pelinel is come
>>47794849
Not killing everyone just because I own a horse.
>>47796398
JAMES
>>47794892
>>47795146
>>47795274
>>47796308
>>47796652
>>47796722
>>47794849
>What does knighthood mean to you?
Privileged thuggery. The original and true meaning of knighthood.
>>47794849
Legitimate racketeers
>>47796722
Then, despite playing with godmode on, fail so spectaculraly that the culture of the dominant human empire is built on ayleid and altmer foundations, and your life's purpose becomes a sidequest to some sandboxing murderhobo in a shitty video game.
Rape and murder, generally.
>>47794849
It means DEUS VULT!
>>47796201
>extended universe
Gross. Boba got his shit slapped by a blind guy and the only reason there's any other mention of him is because he's distinctive looking. Boba a shit.
>>47794849
A knight is sworn to valour.
His heart knows only virtue.
His blade defends the helpless.
His might upholds the weak.
His word speaks only truth.
His wrath undoes the wicked.
Knighthood to me is to be raised and educated a warrior and leader from childhood. To be a professional among amateurs.
>Knighthood
It means circumcision via scythes or flails by squires with Parkinson's Disease
>>47796482
it's a shame that movie was so bad, it had some great visuals
>>47794892
>>47795015
>>47795605
>>47800042
>>47800079
>>47800616
edgy
Killing with kindness
>>47801388
Fuck off m8.
>>47801415
>Slavs
>>47801388
>your ancestors
Not only /pol/ is shit at making people feel feels because of their shitty agenda pushing, but they don't even know the proper words to do so.
>>47800862
I want you to stop stuffing your mouth with cocks, but I guess neither of us is getting what we want, unless that anon does switch his shit to fit the tastes of an anonymous shitposter.
>>47794849
protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty
>>47801448
While the world is incorrect, the only reason you don't feel anything from that is because you're a liberal dipshit that doesn't even realize how your shitty ideology itself is a byproduct of western culture, and you clearly don't care that the culture that gave birth to progressivism in the first place is in it's direst moments.
When islamism or chinese culture supplant the west, you'll wonder when did we accept authoritarianism or theocratic governments again, or why nobody cared that we killed democracy to make space for religious fundamentalism, plutocratic corruption and militaristic fanaticism.
t. Not Yuro, Not American
>>47801489
Why can't you retards just stay in your containment board?
Nobody cares about your politics, faggot.
>>47801388
I'm from Russia and your knights can go dance on the ice. I call them for what they are.
Knighthood means nothing to me because I haven't really grown up in an area that had much authority, let alone someone people consider royalty who could bestow such a title on someone. Anyone I know who could've filled an analogue to a knight either received sanction by an informal recognition of the people or by joining a religious group.
This only really became clear to me when someone I played tabletop with had a completely different view on what a knight was compared to me, and then I realized how different the thought of such a champion in parts of the world is.
>>47801527
>if I disagree with it it must be /pol/!
What is /pol/ about recognizing we're accepring cultures and values that are inherently at disagreement with progressive values
>>47801388
They were just Thugs. Thugs trained from Childhood to fight for their lord. Nothing wrong with that; Feudalism is Feudalism.
>>47800864
>extended universe
>gross
Nah, extended universe is pretty cool compared to the source material.
>>47801377
If you've never seen it try the extended cut, imho it makes it into a genuinely good film.
>>47801388
Nostalgic rethoric doesn't make zeal right and no nation has ever been pure from malice.
>>47801527
You sure do when you encounter somehow who goes against your libshit narrative.
>>47801388
>>47801813
>wake up in mud hut
>go to harvest grain from the fields from sunrise to sundown
>give majority of the crop to lord so my family of 10 can live in our 15'x15' hut
>good thing Little Johnny died when he was born or we wouldn't be able to feed everyone
>King raises taxes to build another palace
>go to church, seeing more gold than any other place in my life
>die in the mud hut that I lived my life in at the ripe age of 30
>1000 years later your descendants talking about how feudalism is their heratige
>>47794849
Having the social status of being a knight.
>>47794849
In the real world:
>Misguided idealism, fighting people on the vassal's request, having fancy wargear, riding a horse and being part of a ruling class that will become increasingly obsolete over the centuries.
In a fantasy setting:
>Potentially miguided idealism, fighting monsters on the peoples behalf, having fancy wargear, riding a horse and being part of a privileged class that will not become increasingly obsolete over the centuries due to author bias.
>>47794849
The ideal of a time and place where martial force and adherence to a code of honor afforded more power than earning money through cheating everyone else you can cheat and being a shitter who gets off easy because daddy's title hides him from consequence.
It's unrealistic, I know, but the thought is still the one that pops up.
>>47801813
>>47802499
Hey guess what faggots?
If you don't like liberal western culture move to fucking Russia or Iran.
Nobody wants to listen to your politics on a board about tabletop gaming.
>>47802533
This.
Retards think that their ancestors were knights when in reality they were most likely peasants.
>>47802720
You misunderstand traditionalism if you think that national identity can be discarded so easily that an anglo-saxon can just "move to Russia"
>>47794849
Upholding your ideals even if you're the only person in the world who respects them, no matter how difficult it becomes.
>>47794849
Knighty things.
>>47802720
I do like liberal western culture. That's why I don't want to see it destroyed.
>>47803135
I would call you a cuck, but I'd rather this thread go back to talking about knights.
>>47794849
Being a high-ranking member of the feudal system.
>>47802744
Most likely inbred too, since a lot of peasants weren't allowed to move. I guess rape from soldiers did help with keeping the inbreeding from turning the entire population into full idiocracy.
The industrial revolution' the world wars and decline of monarchy is the best thing to happen in the last 200 years.
>>47802720
Why move to Iran when liberals are doing a fine job of letting the entire middle east come spilling into the US?
>>47803386
Mostly because USA fucked up the status quo in the Middle East and keep fucking with it because muh oil dependency.
>/pol Deus Cult faggotry defiles another thread
You spergs are ruining the crusades for me with your 19'th century tier romanticization of your ancestors, which you probably don't know anything objective about.
>>47803170
Cuckoldry and Knighthood do go together, though...
>>47804018
True. Even King Arthur was cucked by Sir. Lancelot.
>>47800862
you sure got him good anon
>>47803542
>he believes the oil meme
>>47804453
Have fun transporting all your shit around the world without cheap dependable fuel. If you would just go cold turkey on oil the transportation prices would skyrocket.
>>47794849
Steady employment, opportunities to assist those in need, higher status, easier love life, and if I am lucky a group of close friends and a relatively benevolent boss.
>>47794849
Bushido.
>>47795389
I'm sure their were some mercaneries of noble birth throughout history, from 5th born sons or impoverished houses.
>>47806940
As examples, I mean
>>47803542
The status quo would have fucked itself either way sooner rather than later.
>>47794849
Killing all Elves.
>Dog bless.
>>47795250
>Op posts an image of the Whitestrake and you scold people about mer-slaying.
>>47806982
Nah, Saddam's dynasty wouldn't had allowed for IS to organise.
>>47807001
>>47807105
Oh god, you actually think you're funny.
>>47807152
Yeah, that's possible. But there would be some other prominent group of Muslim nutjobs with very much the same agenda and comparable potential for mayhem. Perhaps Al-Qaeda growing stronger. Perhaps Kurds. Perhaps somebody else.
Obviously this is all a speculation, but I think sandnigger problems would spill out of the region regardless of what America did or didn't do. The schedule could be a year or two off and there would be different names, but principally same shit.
>>47794849
I get to fuck the daughters of the peasantry.
>>47807368
> perhaps kurds
what do we care about the kurds?
l2/pol/
>>47802744
Medievalist here. "Peasants" is quite a broad term, some "peasants" could and would be richer than knights, live in a better house and generally have a better life, others were burghers (townsfolk) who had trades in which they excelled, enjoyed and from which they made a comfortable living, even many rurual tenant farmers could make a good living, it was only really the villeins, specifically the "cottagers" who had it shit. Even then life wasnt awful, if not great, people didnt just roll around in the mud.
>>47795605
It is not what titles a man wears, but what he does, that defines him.
>>47794849
Duty, honor, land.
>historically speaking
Keep the peasants in line, fight those faggots two kingdoms over, land.
It means nothing it's just a title the lords and lady's like throw around so that there is no shame when there children inevitably fall for men/women who are 100 times more useful to the kingdom.
>>47801527
>Nobody cares about your politics
then don't respond, cuck
>>47802533
>having an American education on life in feudal Europe
Sad
>>47809733
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6jy78tV78
>>47809916
>Maddox is a total faggot
What else is new?
>>47809957
But he is right.
>>47809986
But he isn't. Words change and now it's instead of faggot. It's an insult through and through and anyone who says otherwise his an idiot.
>>47802533
>meme medieval history
You do realize that peasants actually worked less than you and basically had months of leave where they could do whatever the fuck they wanted? "Drunk merry peasant" is very much the reality of the peasant lifestyle, because when work was done you got drunk off your ass daily. The only thing that sucked about being a peasant involving knights was when enemy knights raided your village, set it on fire, and possibly maimed or killed you to sabotage the economy of your Lord. Cruel lordship was rarely a thing, and if it was it didn't last long. Being an oppressive shithead to your peasants wasn't very effective at getting tithes out of them, it just pissed them off and started rebellions. Lords were on good terms with their vassals, and would often throw community feasts or holidays along with the Church.
The main shitty thing about life in the middle ages was disease.
>>47810016
The entire point behind the video is that it's bait. Taking the bait makes you a cuck.
>>47810044
Thank God I didn't watch the video:^)
>>47810069
Then you are unable to comment on the actual content of the video and don't want to have your views challenged. That also makes you a cuck.
>>47810136
>Then you are unable to comment on the actual content of the video and don't want to have your views challenged
But I just did? Are you telling me my actions are moot? Do you also shill for his bullshit too?
>>47794849
COURAGE.
DUTY.
HONOR.
CHIVALRY!
>>47809751
>having an American High school education on medieval life.
FTFY, mostly because if you actually go on to get a college degree in history, it's more like what we actually know about medieval period.
>>47810200
You're not qualified on the subject. One way or the other you have become Schrödinger's cuck.
>>47811015
Yet I still comment, are you saying that because I'm not "qualified" means everything I say is bunk?
>>47811051
It means you're ill informed to comment on a subject and that you can't be trusted as a source of information.
>>47802533
>Hurr Durr pesants were slaves meme.
>Hurr Durr EVERYONE DIED AT 25 meme.
No seriously you fucking idiot, read a fucking book. Peasant farming to feed your families wast a slave master wiping the niggers in the cotton field, Peasants worked their own land and willing, yes they actually wanted to follow their laws, lots of their food to their lord. This is because A) their Lord could and DID protect them from raiding sand niggers and other bandits, and B) It was what both the law and God said to do.
As for everyone being dead at 30, that was the AVERAGE lifespan in the middle ages. The reason that number is so low is because of Child Mortality rates and the number of mothers that died in childbirth. No seriously if you were a child in the Middle Ages that made it to 6 years old, you would live to 60 at least unless you got raided or the plague.
TL;DR, your a retard go read a fucking book.
>>47811175
Thank God that the renaissance happened. Everything after that has only been gains.
>>47811166
How am I ill-informed on the subject when I know the subject he's spewing yet I don't watch his bullshit video.
>>47801388
>historical accuracy is "edgy"
>The Knight's Vow
I do solemnly swear.
To help the helpless.
Defend the realm and its people.
To show mercy to the merciless.
Justice, never vengeance.
To bring hope to the hopeless.
And to offer my life to the Gods in the stead of others.Is this a good Knight's creed for some noblebright lawful good knight order?
>>47811329
>Thank God that the renaissance happened. Everything after that has only been gains
Are failed empires the ones that skipped leg day
>>47816149
They started out with legday and then just stopped doing it.
>>47809209
It's no who ah am underneath, but whit ah do thit defines me!
>>47807508
Thanks lindy. We need more like you in these threads.
>>47794849
Bitches.
It means Bitches.
>>47794849
Everythig!
>thread about the meaning of knighthood
>quickly degenerates into an argument of the meaning of the word 'cuck'
I though /tg/ was one of the better boards on 4chan. Evidently not.
>>47819043
It's Summer.
>>47795224
They're both elite horse riding warrior classes bound to a noble lord and also bound (in theory) to strict codes dictating their behavior. There's also the bit about how they're a romanticized cultural ideal.
And I'm pretty sure samurai could be passed down father-to-son.
>>47819043
/tg/ at its best can turn bait threads into classics
/tg/ at its worst will devolve into shitflinging while still pretending it's still better than all the other boards.
>>47794849
It means loyalty, dutifulness and dedication.
>>47795850
>peasant militia
You were doing so well up until that point.
