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Damn it, Raven, I don't have time for your shenanigans. If you want to meet up, just talk to me in my dreams like a normal mentor spirit.
So, after a highly entertaining run that ended with my whole team receiving kill on sight orders from Aztechnology, we're laying low in Greece. Any suggestions for fun stuff we can get up to in that part of the setting?
>>47786341
Isn't there another balkan war going on in Shadowrun right now? All else fails you could get involved in that.
>>47786341
Are you the GM or a player?
>>47786362
A player. It's an LA based game, so we're over the top Hollywood runners and we tend to explore the more ludicrous and over the top elements of the setting.
>>47786392
Too bad, I have some neat ideas for Greek runs.
For players
>Go to a soccer game, party with centaur hooligans
>Take a trip to Delphi, find out what next year's ratings will be
>Hunt exotic paracritters
>Remove kebab
> bring a hot chick in green bikini to Poseidon
> defeat budget deficit
>>47786392
>>47786433
Oh, and go to Istanbul (was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul) and get in rooftop fights with the 10,000 Daggers under a full moon.
>>47786456
Well, we have a genki catgirl changeling as our ninja/show mascot, so that might well be doable.
>>47786449
kek
Yeah, we're doing some real dumb shit in that game. Trip to Istanbul sounds good, I know that various people have extracurricular stuff planned because everything we do is ludicrous bullshit.
>>47786769
On the subject of Istanbul, anyone know how Turkey doing in Shadowrun? Is it moderately sensible, or was the fluff on Turkey written by the same people who thought Saudi Arabia would be unhappy about a dragon torching Iran?
>>47786769
Thing you should know about Istanbul is that its actually not called that anymore. Some time after the second Euro war they became in independent city state with corporate help. Its back to being called Constantinople.
The 10000 Daggers have a big presence in the city. Its where I'm DMing my campaign. If you want to know more about Turkey I would recommend Shadows of Asia.
>>47788084
Why the hell would the capital of a nation secede from a nation?
And why would they go back to using a name that died out way before the govt started calling it istanbul?
>>47788185
Istanbul isn't the capital of Turkey, Ankara is.
>>47788185
>And why would they go back to using a name that died out way before the govt started calling it istanbul?
Why did every Amerindian immediately slap on a feathered headdress and war paint when the Awakening happened? Why did vast swathes of Africa get dominated by stereotypical tribes? Why did England bring back the fucking Lord Protector?
Because Shadowrun is second only to Rifts in dumb regressive behaviour by every ethnic group under the sun.
>>47788238
*reads*
Shit. Guess I'm as bad as the assholes still calling it constantinople.
>>47786433
The player referenced in >>47786502 here. Taking a trip to Delphi sounds like it could be blazingly hilarious.
I, at least, can't find much about Greece in the 4e books that I have. Any suggestions for what to look in for more Grecian info?
>>47788595
Shadows of europe, at a random guess.
>>47787594
Last I checked a dragon called Aden lives there or rules it or something.
One silly campaign idea. Runners are Fables. For those who don't know, basically Disney characters living among normal people by using glamours. How would you run campaign like that?
>>47788185
I think the reason why this could make sense is because after the second Euro War there was a lot of hate towards the the countries that started the war. Think Germany after ww2. Wanting to separate themselves from that isn't too far of a stretch I think.
Plus on a corpate side they have the opertunity to take advantage of this and install a government that benefits them.
>>47788595
State of the Art and Shadows of Europe were the last places Hellas got a good looking-at.
>>47786254
Whatever happened to that comic anyway?
I heard of it when it was first getting announced and thought it looked cool as shit, but then it seemed to have disappeared and I never heard from it again
>>47790620
Did it's six issue run, collection is out now. Google 'nameless comic' and you get all relevant info in about 3 seconds.
>>47790662
Is it any good?
>>47790765
If you're into the whole occult horror/graphic violence stuff, pretty good.
>>47790519
Shadows of Europe from 3e? 'Cause I didn't see anything like that in the 4e file storage, and just want to make sure.
>>47790939
Yes. SoE 3e, and SOTA 2073 from 4e.
>>47790973
Thx chum
Has any of you or your players play a terrorist/freedom fighter? Do you guys have any stories of this? I'm looking for ideas.
Slow general is slow. Did half of /srg/ an hero?
>>47792879
overwatch maybe? Also finals season.
>>47792979
Overwatch has been out for a couple weeks, though. I can see finals getting in the way. Damn education.
>>47792879
Recon during the days, chummer. Gotta keep up with contacts, scout out buildings, all that good stuff.
Plus some of us have day jobs.
If you want to make yourself useful, I need a name for a pair of spirits collectively known as the 'Demolition Twins'Finished my finales today
>>47793062
What tradition?I'm going to say Heckle and Jeckle regardless
>>47793126
Some custom stuff. Heavy leans towards shamanism though; with humans instead of beasts though.They're girls
>>47793188
In that caseHeckle and JeckleYou called my bluff, I had to do it or I'd loose street credWendy and Go
>>47786254
how do i add more E.Y.E. into my shadowrun campaign?
>>47793244
Mysads with some 'ware?
>>47793244
We just get really weird with our Knight Errant campaign.
Why are Biospikes from Hard Target so much shit? Only implant weapon that doesn't get any AP (not counting calluses, but those sorta dont count). Hell, even biospikes maxed with BDA only do equal to calluses on top of maxed BDA. for like 4 times the essence and 10 times the nuyen.
>>47793601
I suppose because it's supposed to be the most discreet implant weapon possible (even calluses would be noticed before it), but it's still poorly balanced. You're much better off spending the money (or karma equivalent) on martial arts.
>>47793662
How are martial arts anyway? Our troll decker likes to punch things in the face a lot, and our group is relatively new to the game, so much so that we have only really just used the gear from other books and not bothered with any of the extra rules.
>>47793244
>You gain brouzouf
>>47793698
Most characters can do without, but if you really spend a lot of time up close then it's handy. For a decker or infiltrator, something like Finishing Move is very handy in niche situations- if you manage to get the drop on someone, you can hit him twice before he gets the chance to respond, which might be the difference between walking away and getting your codeslinging ass chopped off. Goes double for trolls, who usually have great physical limits without trying, so they can do some challenging techniques without worrying.
>>47793810
That does sound useful, again if said troll was anywhere near slightly sneaky. Our group should just look into actually learning the stealth skill and not rely on my characters silver tongue and the wage slave decker's mad hacking skills to break in.
>>47793242
I don't understand the reference to those last two
I hear a lot of things about spirits being sentient, but not a lot on how they think. Can they understand emotions? Do they feel emotions? Hate? Love? I'm guess it varies based on the spirit you summon.
>>47793734
Your legs are OK
>>47794479
Depends on the spirit.
>>47794479
Basically how spirits think, and why they think the way they do, is a matter for theological/philosophical discussion. Is a hermetic Spirit of Fire really different from a Zoroastrian Spirit of Fire- do they both come from the same metaplane but are shaped by the summoner's perceptions, is the former just personifying elemental forces while the latter really is an angelic figure sent from heaven? Would the latter refuse to murder a child on moral grounds while the former (being an amoral anthropomorphic personification) would dutifully have an orphan BBQ? And for the Zoroastrian spirit, is it really the spirit objecting, or is it the summoner's ideas of what the spirit would and would not do that influence it's willingness to perform that service?
So you have spirits that seem very close to human in their mindset (especially mentor spirits), and you have spirits that are utterly alien in their inner workings, and there's no telling what the relationship between those two extremes is, let alone what the truth really is. Solipsism is hard enough with meatbags.
>>47794411
Just a couple names for dangerous female spirits. Wendy and Go. Wendy & Go. Wendy&Go. WendyGo? Get it.
How is an infiltrator supposed to get past security dogs?
>>47786254
What does it mean to be an aging street sammy?
What morals would he embody?
>>47795741
There are spells (5) and cigarettes (4) to block scent detection.
Hey srg, help me clarify matrix icons? Specifically using them to locate people/targets in real world.
Does an icon correlate to its location in meatspace or is it more of a general thing? Say I detect three commlink icons w matrix perception in a room - would I be able to tell where in the room they are precisely? Could I stick an ARO on them to tag their location to my team? If so, would it move in real time to track targets through walls/cover? And would I need marks for any step in this?
Thanks in advance!
>>47795910
>Does an icon correlate to its location in meatspace or is it more of a general thing?
Icons are general direction and faded by signal strength. No location, unless they are a specific kind of icon - an AR Object (ARO / Arrow). Which you mentioned, already, and sound like you know how they work.
Otherwise you need a radio signal / bug scanner, or to mark & track the relevant icon(s).
>>47795979
Thanks, that's v helpful! Will look into the radio scanner stuff
As someone coming from 4th edition, is an internal router as important as I think it is?
Or should I hand my PAN to the team matrix guru and let them handle that end, and keep my .75 ESS?
>>47795898
>cigarettes
Having a lit cig while trying to sneak seems counterproductive.
>>47796791
That's probably because you're making assumptions about how they work. Be a chummer, not a chump.
>>47795741
You mask your scent. Alternatively, you poison the dogs.
>>47795910
To determine a persona's/icon's physical location, you need to use the "Trace Icon" action.
>>47796677
Mostly useless. The only really interesting use is for a character with the Wired Reflexes/Reaction Enhancers combo that for some reason has no Smartlink.
>>47797370
So it's just my knee-jerk reaction to all the old bonuses being "wireless" now? cool. I'll deal
>>47797385
It is poorly implemented in any case. A common houserule is to allow to take the router for some capacity in a limb instead of the (ridiculously high) essence cost.
>>47792879
It must be the lack of cybercatgirls. I'll attempt to remedy the situation.
>>47794411
In case you still don't get what anon's going for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo
>>47795741
If they're an adept, then Traceless Walk gives a -2 penalty to being tracked by scent. Could give drugged meat a shot as well, there's plenty of ingestion toxins out there.
>>47796677
If you have a high-grade commlink or a decker worth his salt, then you can protect your cyber well enough by making a PAN and slaving your devices to a device with better security.
It can be a good way for a GM to say "no, fuck you" when a player decker wants to hack an important enemy street sam, but that seems kind of needlessly antagonistic to me.
>>47797385
Yep. Accept it as a game decision to help make decking combat relevant. Weird in fluff, nice in practice is the way I see it.
>>47798035
It's not that weird in fluff if you start from the "Everything must be connected forever to sustain the Matrix as a whole" shtick.
If, by design, a device will be online all the time it is in use; then solving any compatibility issues between different devices through an external application (held on the comlink or the cloud or anywhere on the Matrix, who cares, everything's online anyway) "translating" the data feeds is both cheaper, easier to maintain and update and (in the case of cyberware) less invasive than hardwiring everything together.
The problem is that the Internal Router, i.e. the option to actually hardwire everything together, is simply way too expensive. That it'd cost a little essence because you have a couple extra data cables running under your skin, sure. But not a whopping 0,75 point out of the 6 you have available.
>>47798227
It's roughly akin to the old internal router tech. 3e, iirc, but I only read it - never played with it.
Shouldn't surprise anyone; 5e is the edition where the tech advancement went wibbly wobbly under the assault of CFD. Nanite-etched internal wires went the way of the dodo.
>>47798227
Where would you put it? Closer to .5 or .25?
If you look at it from the perspective of "this 'ware shuts off one of your major counters" it's reasonable, but since it's really "this 'ware lets you keep a minor bonus while your wireless is off" it's overcosted.
The most important wireless bonus is probably Reaction Enhancers + Wired Reflexes, and if you don't have that combo it's definitely not worth it. The Availability is low enough that you might be able to get it at betaware without too much trouble.
>>47788286
Because magic?
>>47798270
CFD
>>47798389
I'd put it at .2. WR+RE combo is already expensive enough as it is in both nuyen and essence.
Smartlink still needs an external connection to the Matrix at large to grant the +2 dice. Other bonuses are rather situational.
r8 my character. He's a decker/face built within the limits of sum to ten. It's not perfect. Also I'm not sure why all the knowledge skills are linked to LOG. They say street/academic/professional/interest in Chummer, so they shouldn't be all linked to LOG.
>>47798631
A couple of suggestions:
- Remove the points in Forgery, put them in Armorer and Demolitions instead. Your group will FUCKING GRADE A+ LOVE YOU if you can set a breaching charge or handload them a mag of bullets with more oomph for when SHTF.
- Your cyberarm is a waste of nuyen as it is. I assume you are planning to load it out with gimmicks later, but it might be better to save up more and get a customised base model.
- You are horribly slow in meatspace. I would suggest dropping the arm and get (Alphaware) Boosted Reflexes from Chrome Flesh instead, to boost your init to 8+2d6. This will ensure you have 2 passes except on the shittiest roll, and have enough to spare for a dodge on a decent one.
- Another possibility to boost your initiative is pharma-/designer-grade Cram, to be taken when the run starts. With your Body of 2, it will last you eight hours, which should be more than enough. With 10 dice in LOG + WIL and an addiction treshold of 2 thanks to the better grade of drugs, it should be hard to succeed on the addiction tests.
- You have a fake SIN but no license. You need at least one for your deck, one for your gun and a driver license to be kosher in 99% of the cases. (You'd normally need one for the smartlink in your eye as well, but okay.)
All in all, though, it's a pretty solid character.
>>47798843
>it should be hard to succeed on the addiction tests.
It SHOULDN'T be hard, sorry.
>>47792879
I'm new to shadowrunand scared of posting.I just draw and read what other people have to say.
>>47798530
Shitpost
>>47798885
Mean to put in a question mark after that. What the heck is the CFD?
>>47798945
Nanotech retcon, basically.
>>47798945
Cognitive Fragmentation Disorder.
Officially: whatever it is that corrupts nanomachines and makes them suborn a meatbag to serve as body for an AI; with the combo being both superhuman and batshit insane.
Read: no transhumanism in SR, nanomachines had to be cranked down with extreme prejudice
>>47798945
Disease from 5e. Transmittable through every body fluid and cyber. Basically nanites that overwrite your brain and use you to produce more. Was AFAIK an excuse to shift the tech back a lot.
>>47798945
It's a nanotech software virus that thinks it's people. It uses nanites and nanite-based products to be the next bodysnatcher invasion, while destabilising corporations in a wave of panic and social collapse that players recognised with about as much clarity as a random Tuesday.
It's the reason Shadowrun is not bordering on Eclipse Phase, in short.
>>47799015
And, I suppose, in another sense it's why EP has just been pushed back a little.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJIjNs_s2NI
>>47798976
>>47798984
>>47798990
>>47799015
What the fuck.
>>47799161
This would be a great contact.
>>47799586
>Son, I was running before your mum was even born! Now shaddup an listen to your granny!
I made a 3D model of one of my runners.
>>47799801
Is that one of the Ice Climbers?
>>47799812
Yes.
So I had an idea, but I have questions.
What, exactly, could a charismatic Nartaki with her own small cult in India do or need to do with shady business across her country of origin and across southeast Asia, and not have to tamper with Hindu teachings? I figured a lot of political and religious rivalry, but I'm not sure if that's filled with intrigue enough.
Second, say an Untouchable of the Hindu castes manages to become a Nartaki. Does the belief of them being touched by Gods change the Untouchable's status immensely, or do the Brahmin caste act more reserved towards that possibility? Might be a key development here in this character.
>>47793244
EVO comes up with weird cyber that doesn't tank your magic as you install it, so fills some of its adepts with it and sends them to blacklisted combat zones. The team grabs more and more of it, when suddenly the side effects start kicking in.
>>47800701
> the cyberware was demons all along!
So, i might want to run a game that's very pink mohawk and also kinda "low-level"-ish.
What is the best way to achieve this in 5e?
Sum to 9 (or 8), reduced Karma (how low?) or just strict GM control?
I want runners who are hired to break into some AAA secret weapons lab but not so down that they have to resort to robbing the local stuffer shack. The kinds of runner who have potential, but who have yet to prove themselves.
>>47801327
Sum-to-8 is your best bet. The only consequence is that you'll probably end up with a lot of humans with perhaps the token elf.
>>47801327
I'd say street scum + street level, with the bonus that spending karma happens first.
What are some good extra material for a 5e game? We're tossing some names around, but so far have only decided on Street Grimoire.
>>47801872
Run Faster is mandatory for the qualities, and Chrome Flesh for the ware.
R&G, B&B, R5 and HT for the gear. SG is fine too.Honestly, there's no one book that's obvious trash and should be disqualified entirely, it's only sections of certain books (like AI in Data Trails or metasapients in RF) that need specific denial
>>47801872
Chrome Flesh, Data Trails and Rigger 5.0 to prop up mundanes.
Run&Gun if you want more gear.
Ironically, Street Grimoire is the last one I'd add. Awakened are already pretty decent out of the box.
>>47801872
Run Faster has some cool extra positive and negative qualities and alternative character generation rules.
Do you want extra guns? Gun Heaven 3 or Run and Gun both have some alternate options that mostly are side grades as opposed to direct upgrades from the standard Ares Alpha/AK-97. Run and Gun also gives some other options for character generation such as martial arts and rules for operating in space.
I'd say unless you want to go crazy with augmentations and drugs, then don't bother with Crome Flesh, but it does give a good idea on how much it would cost to truly go dark after a really bad run.
>>47801965
Chrome Flesh is valuable if you want anything but the most basic 'ware, though. Even stuff like cosmetic 'ware got pushed to that book, not to mention all the good bioware and most of the cool cyberware stuff like skimmers and internal routers.
>>47786341
Encourage the Greeks to finally PAY DENBTS.
>>47803410
Funny you should mention that.
We just had to make sure a Greek gang paid up for the privilege to distribute BTL's and other drugs for the Vory, and by that I mean kill 8 of a 30 man gang, have one thrown into Staten Island for life and have one turn on the rest otherwise we would break his sons legs.
It seems that no matter what world Greeks think they can get away with not paying any debt
>>47803410
>butthurt german detected
Remind me why the entente and the allies bailed you out all those times over your war debt?
>>47803924
You mean when the Entente saddled Germany with a crushing load of reparations, forcing them to pay back an entire continent's worth of war debt, after lying to Germany about wanting an equitable peace and occupying the country to prevent the diplomats from protesting this abuse of 'negotiations'? And when Germany couldn't pay it all back on the obviously preposterous timetable that was demanded of them, the French and Belgians occupied valuable land and made the country even more incapable of paying the reparations?
Or when the Allies unilaterally issued the Berlin Declaration (because they didn't recognize the civilian German government), annexed a quarter of Germany, and assumed control over the rest of it to use as a battleground for the looming Cold War?
Not German, but you must be Greek to use such shit arguments as a pathetic justification for welshing on deals you voluntarily made, after the Greek government admitted to lying about it's defeict for years in 2009, and despite being buried in cash from the IMF, ECB, and EC the Greeks just threw it into paying off loan interest and not actually reforming the country.
Is there any common way to differentiate the demonyms of CAS and UCAS citizens? Both of them cling to the name 'American', sometimes UCAS people add Canadian in there but not always.
>>47804766
The CAS sound like Southerners and seem to be a tad more militant than the UCAS..
>>47804766
It's easy. One is the south, one is the United States plus america. One is Not-Confederates, the other is America.
>>47804803
I meant linguistically, what names do other people use for them? If a UCAS anchor does a report on the CAS, they say "Tensions are rising on both sides of the Atlantic. The French ambassador has said that they won't back down, while the ____ president promises to hold firm."
>>47804955
All CASers call all UCASians Yankees, regardless if they're from Canada or United States
As a GM how good plan it is to if needed the enemy runner team would disguise as dog wagon and stalk runners and come to "save few of them"?
>>47788084
If the anon going there manages to work in a pulp fiction like conversation about how it was Constantinople then it was Istanbul, now it's Constantinople and why they changed it he can't say, I will leave him my cyber eyes when I die.
>>47795741
Knockout gas.
>>47795872
Shitloads of survivor's guilt. Tons of his friends are probably dead.
Cynicism. the world will chew you up and spit you out. Desire to see a better life for younger people he interacts with, maybe. Or desire to not form attachments since everyone is going to end up chunky salsa anyway.
Practicality. lots of covering tracks, being cautious, trusting the right people, verifying information, always eating when there's food available, taking every advantage even if it doesn't look cool, etc.
I'd really like to see Fauntine from Les Miz as a competent street sammy on some level. Like, someone who goes through hell and takes suicidally dangerous missions or indentured servitude to a crime lord to pay for someone else to raise their child away from the life they grew up in, make sure the kid gets a good education, a comfortable future as a wage slave, never knows what their parents were truly like, etc.
>>47806108
I was kind of already planning on at least referencing the song.
>>47804955
Confederate, Southern, Northern, Canadian-American, etc
>>47804145
>welshing on deals you voluntarily made,
What, such as the terms of the original bailout of germany? Cuz there were three of the fucking things.
>>47803410
Shadow-greece ain't payin' shit. The government is barely an entity there, it's a corporate playground.
The real entitites there are the corps, the magicians (The comet re-activated a ton of ritual sites based on ancient greek bulidings) and the Grey Wolves, the turkish crime syndicate. The greeks actually love the wolves, and the wolves mostly run stuff like gambling and milk money off dumb tourists than their usual harder fare, because the Greeks see them as heroes because they moved in during the second Eurowar and helped fight off the Alliance for Allah.
Would it hurt to backport 5e's enchanting system to 4e?
>>47786433
Greek runs, gross
>>47805353
>dog wagon
If by that you mean Doc Wagon, then it's workable.
Check out Bullets and Bandages for all the gear specifically made to impersonate paramedics.
>>47798631
Not a bad start, but I think you could use a specialization or two. A specialization in Matrix Search for Computer tends to come in handy, and a Batons or Machine Pistols spec would get your weapon pools closer to actually decent. Instruction is mostly a skill for NPC Contacts, so it'd be a good thing to drop for some spare points.
>>47805353
The most important thing is to make sure that the place the team is operating is actually Doc Wagon territory, for those places where Doc Wagon and Crash Cart seriously compete.
Because nobody smart wants to mess with both of those guys because of one run.
>>47795872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcsirofJrlM
Do this.including the little girl
>>47795872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRRupAM4DI
>>47805353
>>47810174
>dog wagon
10/10 would let save my life
>>47811950
>>47805353
>>47810174
>>47812525
>>47811950
How are there so many gifs of tiny dogs dressed as a rescue squad out there?
>>47812716
Why aren't there more?
>>47812716
>>47812716
Do not question rule 34.
I guess the rest of those draw requests never came in. Oh well :<
>>47813490
Sorry, I was only able to do a couple during my break! I ghost this general a lot though, so I'm sure I'll be back to draw more runners when the work weekend dials down for me.When you have several different hobbies you have to pick and choose which ones you have time for, especially when you're in an active game.
I'm somewhat new to the setting, getting my start in Dragonfall and Hong Kong, the isometric games. Is Shadowrun Returns any good? (heard fantastic things about the SNES game but I don't have access to a lot of decent emulators in my country)
>>47813785
Shadowrun Returns is markedly worse than Dragonfall and Hong Kong, but if you're desperate for Shadowrun then its better than nothing.
What do I put on my game's soundtrack?
We started black trenchcoat in the CSA but are veering heavily into world of Black Mohawk now, if it helps.
>>47813785
The Dead Man's Switch (better known as SR: Returns) was the very first game. It is more limited, both in scope and in gameplay, than the two others.
Dragonfall and Hong Kong have a much better fleshed out cast of characters; and are better at giving you the illusion of choice.
>>47814049
The usual generic responses:
Power Glove, Perturbator, Lazerhawk, maybe some Crystal Castles or Kazinsky. Lots of people like the Hotline Miami soundtrack stuff by M O O N.
Some less well known people in this sphere:
Python Blue - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0p0rPsrU-4
Insert Coin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib4mrmvzi40
LIFELIKE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8D2is5P6Tw
Stuff that I like and don't see mentioned here often:
Vessels - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT6NWc3J0-o
DJ Shadow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH5He9TW0mE
Lapse - https://lapse.bandcamp.com/track/cant
And if you're on a Mohawktastic high-speed chase through CAS backwoods, there's not much better than this classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TzV_gNQrPs
As a forever gm, almost got one of my group to GM shadowrun as a secondary game. Almost. Now they want Edge of the Empire. Sigh.
Whats the best counter to tasers in 4E?
>>47815715
Not being in range.
>>47815741
What about stick and shocks though?
If a runner has a corp sin what does do and what are the good and bad sides of it
>>47815997
>what does it do
His (hopefully for him former) employer has a ginormous amount of data on him. Data that can be used to track him/recognize it's him as he does runner shit.
>the good
Omae... It's a NEGATIVE quality. The only "good" thing it can do is being used in a con ("As you can see from my SIN, I am an ARES employee.", that kind of things.) But that also leaves a very blatant data trail.
>the bad
Those that were born SINless will envy you, resent you, hate you, perhaps even try to kill you just because you once served "The Man" if it ever comes out.
And most people don't leave a corporate ob voluntarily. Some of your former corporate pals could still harbor grudges.
>>47815270
>illusion of choice
That makes me think. What happens if you side with Vauclair and kill your whole team?
>>47816165
The story fast-forwards to one year later, with all dragons kicking the bucket. At first, everything seems to go well...Then the Horrors arrive, no longer held back by the wizworms, and you either join Vauclair in eating a gun or Audran in toasting as you watch the world burn.
>>47788514
Could be worse. Shadowrun made Canberra BECOME the capital of Australia.
The city that was literally invented as a compromise capital because no one could agree on which city would be the capital.
Oops.
>>47807648
How is that different to Greece as it is now?
>>47815748
Cover.
>>47802047
>internal routers
>not cringe
pick one
Gonna be running a game tonight on short notice, thinking about running Lost Islands Found in the Firing Line mission compilation, anyone ran it before? Any problems I need to be aware of that aren't immediately noticeable?
>>47813723
Hey, no problem. Thanks for doing any of it, desu. It's not like anyone is entitled to your free labor.
What arcs have you played through in your campaigns so far and what was the memorable stuff in them?
>>47816656
What's wrong with the internal router? Depending on how broadly you read it's purview, it's a very useful bit of tech for a sammy or anyone else with a lot of augments, though obviously pricey on the Essence.
>>47816695
Separate the 4e and 5e statblocks so you don't get yourself confused on which ones you are supposed to use.
>>47814049
Honestly Shadowrun Dragonfall has a good soundtrack that can fit a lot of situations and sets a good mood for cyberpunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhcoP8SnZZo&t=2838s
>>47821403
Oh shit I hadn't noticed they put both on there, thanks omae
>>47820117
>>47788595 here. As a player in the outrageously amazing LA game, our "arcs" have been dressed up as trid-show episodes.
Episode 1 involved my character parkouring her way out of Disneyland with the Mouse's internal security on her heels; she received an email from them later with "Don't pull that shit again or you won't live for a threepeat," along with a pair of complimentary tickets.
Episode two included our mystad face roundhouse-kicking a shadow spirit in the face so hard she banished it; and us retrieving an artifact that tied the guy harvesting/raising said shadow spirits to the Black Lodge.
Episode three (and four and five) was this enormous, cockamamie plan that involved tying our producer's ideas for three runs into one giant amalgam; notable events included taking a submersible to an underwater lab in *Los Angeles' waters*, my catgirl ninja flashing the cams some fanservice while stowing genetic samples inside her sneaksuit and escaping to stun scientists with her bow (one of them suicided by cyanide tooth), and basically setting half the Raft on fire.
The most recent run involved us disrupting a wedding that was to cement an alliance between the azzies and a prominent japanocorp. We *very nearly* had my character smuggled into the wedding cake, but decided that would be too camp; instead she drugged the catering with some of the "Haha what inhibitions" drugs so that people at the wedding became suggestible and violent.
We didn't fire a shot, but the whole thing devolved into chaos once the hacker took over some screens and showed what kind of murderous and awful people the bride and groom were.
Which is what led directly to >>47786341's post.
Is there any way for humanity to survive the return of the horrors, or is it just something that's got to happen and then we slowly rebuild again?
>>47822264It is implied that Dunkelzahn had a plan. But now the remaining dragons must get off their scaly bottoms and enable it, whatever it is; because the first part of his plan was committing suicide.
>>47822264
Humanity survives the same way we did in Earthdawn; by building big fuckoff bunkers and waiting it out. Theoretically modern bunkers would be better than 4th Age bunkers, because we can do things like set up a wired network between them and stay in contact.
If you mean 'modern Sixth World civilization', then the answer to that died with Dunkelzahn. An idea that has been bandied about in metafluff conversations is that Big D wanted to accelerate progress and unify metahumanity so that we'd be prepared to face the Horrors head-on (possibly by going to space and using that mana-free environment to safely drop Thor Shots on them), but canonically few people know the Horrors even exists, and fewer still have any idea at all of what they're capable of and how they were survived before.
>>47822376
Is there any reason we can't nuke them? Does their metaplane have a gaiasphere? It seems like it shouldn't, since they're like, the opposite of life.
>>47786433
i like it
>>47822264
Shouldn't cyberzombies be super unfun for horrors? I mean, thorny elves "survived" the horror infestation by horribly, horribly mutilating themselves.
>>47822425
Nobody really knows where the Horrors come from, even the Great Dragons AFAIK. And there's no proof that nukes even work on metaplanes close to us, let alone what hell-begotten corner of the megaverse the Horrors are crawling out of.
I was wondering, which grand strategy game do you think would be most suited for making a total conversion mod that replicates Shadowrun shenanigans? Ie, running your own megacorp, dealing with internal and external intrigue, hiring shadowrunners, or the same for shadowrun nations.
>>47823168
Syndicate. Duh.
>I notice during my time of Gming I don't care for shadowruns lore at all
Like the basic core of whats going on is ok but I don't give a fuck about anything else so I never bring it up in my games. But I'm unsure on how my players fee about that as of now it seems they are cool with that but what about you guys I know you talk about lore here often because its fucking /srg/ but how mad would you be if you enter a game and the Gm clearly doesn't "care" for the lore in a way that he only knows about sinless the corps and a few other basic things?
>>47823649
The metaplot is pretty retarded as with most settings. Pick and choose, it's your campaign.
>>47823649
I would be kind of upset if a whole bunch of things started happening that my brain told me were impossible, desu. I wouldn't be upset at all if the game were simply about every day criminality in the sixth world and thus just didn't involve any higher concerns of any kind. I'm going to be completely honest and say I don't have a photographic memory for lore, and probably wouldn't even notice a lot of minor things. But like, major characters suddenly being alive again who weren't, or in relationships that don't make sense, or what Mac did to drakes would all upset me.
>>47823649
> he only knows about sinless the corps and a few other basic things
I might get bored pretty fast, unless you've built some interesting metaplot alternative on top of the basic SR tropes.
>>47823671
yeah just feels like SR players as a whole get into the lore more then others but im baseing this on roll20.
>>47823708
Well stuff like Major npc's won't show up at all same for stuff like jacknet. over all I won't change anything but I won't I would rarely bring it up.
I want to run a game and have the first bit be about a garbage strike. Anyone know of a book that talks about how waste is disposed in shadowrun?
>>47823569
That's not grand strategy.
>>47823168
I don't know. The obvious problems I see is that you can't do a traditional 4X game with it. You don't get exclusive control of areas (even in Aztlan, other megacorps can operate- it's only in explicitly extraterritorial megacorp territoy that they can do that), you compete for market share with other corporations of all sizes. You also don't get to use armies, just PR.
>>47823649
If the GM was advertising a regular Shadowrun game, and when I showed up it was just someone's homebrew cyberfantasy, I'd be pretty pissed.
If I showed up, and the GM had made his own homebrew setting because he 'didn't like' the original SR, but when I asked him about it he only knew a few basic things, I would be fucking furious. I'd feel like the GM was a lazy bastard who didn't bother to do the reading and care about the setting, he just wanted to bait & switch with someone else's marketing.
If I was already part of a group, and someone offered to run a campaign that was based in SR but different, and they had a campaign bible that laid out what they changed (and when I asked they could explain why they changed stuff that I liked), then I'd probably be OK.
>>47823845
well if I had to pick one of them the closest would be your number two and out of that it would be the "I don't care about the setting". but it's not a homebrew setting just me not caring about any of the "deeper" lore in the setting.
>>47824008
When you say you don't know anything but a few most basic things (like the existence of SINless and the megas) it's hard to make a call. I personally don't care if you ignore the Earthdawn crap, but if I was in a game and, for example, the Corporate Court worked together as a single unit because you think understanding those politics are 'too deep', I'd be annoyed.
>>47824086
Not that guy who was asking the question originally, but what if a GM said screw a lot of the metaplot such as CFD or Jackpoint and stuck with as much of the rest of it as he could remember and find?
>>47824224
Probably wouldn't like it. If the GM doesn't want CFD in the game, that's fine -establish it up front so no one includes it in their backstory, and the game can go on fine.
If they wanted to throw out Jackpoint, I'd want to know why. I've only seen them impact the game once, when we had a status-obsessed runner who was desperate to gain admittance. You don't have to include it in a game, but you also don't need to trash it.
And generally GMs work with what they can remember and find, but they don't just bin things willy-nilly. The Sixth World is a big place, and it's a lot easier to just not make a run that includes something you don't like than it is to rip it out of the setting entirely and try to patch up the messy hole it left.
>>47822838
IIRC it was implied that the blood elves/the blood wood was more or less corrupted anyway. Turns out the ritual of thorns was an even worse idea than everyone already knew it was.
>>47824357
>As the main guy I do stick with what I Remember so I never would "remove" stuff but at the same time I just don't care about the metaplot like the first guy say. I would go to far as to say that I might not really liking cyberpunk
>>47824366
Oh, OK.
My knowledge of Earthdawn is pretty piecemeal.Also, I just finished Hong-Kong EE, deciding to continue living in the shadows. I feel like I've made the right decision, but Duncan leaving kicked me right in the nads.
>>47824995Same. I did it because I felt my obligations to my team outweighed my obligations to family (or, if you will, that family of destination mattered more than family of origin), but it still hurt like hell, and they probably would have been alright on their own.
Hey, so I'm playing a combat mage / face with 8 CHA, and I've got a bajillion free points to spend on Contacts. Trouble is, I don't want to just go for the same bland "fixer talismonger arms dealer mob boss" thing. I want my contacts to feel like interesting characters, not stuff I picked to fill niches I might need in gameplay. Any suggestions for interesting contacts to bring in, or examples of same from your games?
>>47825282
Had a security spider who was trying to get the character in question to get back on the (sorta) straight and narrow.
A student in (insert best magical skill here) that would occasionally help with rituals and summoning.
>thought the adept power that lets you change your vocal pitch was too niche, only useful on bypassing vocal scanners and tricking commlink calls
>watch police academy
>that one nigga who was able to change the pitch of his voice to sound like gunfire, police sirens, children, ect
And that's what inspired me to make a guy that has avoided four fair fights now, by throwing his voice and immitating. Cars, cops, other gang bangers, this power let's me do it all, baby. Best use of my powerpoints ever.
>>47826522
The mimicry critter power (sasquatch) does it with Charisma+Magic, vs Voice Control's Charisma+Impersonation.
Just in case someone is looking for alternatives.
>>47823649
That's actually how we play it. We assume that most of the low-key metaplot happened, but we ignore stuff we don't really know about or agree as a group is just dumb.
Also if the GM needs to change a big thing of the metaplot for the sake of the game, he always tells us first. Like, our current GM wants to run a game where the Big D was legitimately killed, and it wasn't a suicide. He had a whole campaign planned out around his killer and starting a big "shadow war," revolving around one singular Bane-inspired mercenary who desperately wants to change the status quo. But there was a bit of an issue.
He had planned ALL of this before he found out the actual metaplot surrounding Dunkelzahn's death and the whole end of the world thing he stopped. None of us knew about that plot until I accidentally discovered it here on /srg/. Upon my telling him, we agreed that if we played this campaign he really wanted to, it'd be in an AU where the only major change was that the end of the world wasn't really coming (because no one in our group likes apocalypse-oriented metaplots) and the Big D's death was a legitimate mystery that no one knew about. I call it the Shadow Wars Continuity.
It all depends on what you change and how your GM treats it. Like, when I run a game, I have a sort of "[Anon's] Continuity," Shadowrun. In my continuity, the TwoDee Storytime events happened. It's just a neat little thing that happened. I also put the events of Returns, Dragonfall, and Hong Kong in there. I might occasionally drop easter eggs or something, nothing too big unless the party chooses to get involved in those things. They haven't so far, because the story never asked for it, but it's always just a neat little thing that gives the world that all of our games take place in a little more meat.
>>47827269
I suppose I should add, before the grognard's freak out, that the only big thing that's ever really changed in our group is the Shadow War Continuity. That, and I tend to ignore CFD in my own continuity.
The player in our group who was being the idealistic never kill anyone always try to stop allies killing superhero just got ghoulified. How do I/we have maximum fun with this?
>>47825282
Family's always interesting. Hell, I had a dude that ran an old electronics store. He didn't have any real ability to be super useful, but he was great for those little favors and had good flavor.
>>47828869
Offer to carve quadriceps steaks out of the corpsec as he's slapping on the handcuffs.
>>47825282
Get the quality to have contacts of importance 8 and up so you are friends with business execs and world class researchers.
Are there lightning spirits in any book? 4E or 5E?
>>47828869
Give your DM a pat on the back for giving his players cool moral dilemmas and character development. Also keep him well fed so that player doesn't accidentally go feral and ghouls you too.
>>47830943
they're covered by air spirits
>>47825282
Get political. Having a metahuman rights activist Contact can get you into some nice circles, as could knowing a local playboy.
Knowing a local political leader might keep KE
from hassling you too much.
Maybe you know a Tamanous ghoul. Or a grimy changeling street kid who you've fed a few times. A local trideo producer or a skeevy BTL saleswoman (she's into pixie snuff).
It's the Sixth World, omae. Pretty much everyone's interesting - even the wageslaves.
>>47832789
>Or a grimy changeling street kid who you've fed a few times.
>Not taking in the cute changeling
shameful
>>47786254
What do you guys think of the MGS-styled muscle suits that are resistant for smaller rounds and are tight-fitting (yet mobile) enough that you can fit tactical kit over them?
Pic related. I LOVE this shit. Does Shadowrun have anything like it? How does the system handle putting, say, a plate carrier over it?
So what wouldsex with a spirit feel like?
>>47832862
Maybe it's a boy. Tabletop players only sympathize with little girls.
>>47833655
And if I'ma woman?
>>47833743
Dowman is the hero we needed.
>>47834138
He is a national treasure.
>>47824995Duncan being a big crybaby in that extra chapter completely ruined his character.
>>47821855
We are currently discussing a magic-based cooking show spinoff with a new player, joining up as a summoner. I fucking love LA games.
>>47834299Also fuck you Duncan, I sat in a corp prison for years and you go all "B-but why don't you wanna go back to Seattle?!" For what, so I can mop the floors in the local Bunraku parlour's darkroom? Fuck you!
>>47833602Sex with a fire spirit:like eating a bowl of caramelized banana with rum sauce using your dickSex with an air spirit:like falling down from Mount Everest but in a hot waySex with a water spirit:like fucking a whirlpoolSex with an earth spirit:like sticking your dick into a loving mudbath
>>47833655
My loli dryad mage actually nearly got killed by an incubus (illusionist giant squid) using Engulf yesterday. The party saved her by hosing them both down with bullets.
Her latex chemsuit was nearly ruined.
>>47813785
>>47814049
They're both currently on sale on GOG, if anyone is interested. Dragonfall, at least, is great, and gives a good idea of how a campaign should go.
>>47834951
Get the Director's Cut if you get Dragonfall. The extra side missions and character background development are a must.
>>47834969
Did that, and I loved how they did they morally and situationally questionable stuff all throughout the game, even up to the end.
Quick question from a new runner, is there somewhere i can find a compendium of 5e pdfs? Like i just want to get most, if not all of them as sort of a bundle, anyways thanks in advance
>>47835055
Here's a good resource:
>>47786254
You should find a pastebin link to Al the relevant PDFs and a mega link in aforesaid pastebin.
>>47835091
Thanks man!
>>47834299
It fit imho
>>47831173
o thanks, actually I'm the DM and was asking for ideas
Any of you guys know if players have to pay the appropriate positive quality cost to change into a ghoul/vamp/whatever if they're infected, or is it given for free?
>>47836092
>It is possible that a character may become Infected in the course of playing Shadowrun. If the character has any unspent Karma at that point, it needs to be spent paying off the cost of the acquired quality. If the character does not have enough unspent Karma to pay that amount, they need to spend all Karma they earn on the quality until it is fully paid off.
RF 134-5
>>47836092
Page 135 of Run Faster says they have to pay the cost. Infection is rough.
>>47836182
> newly infected PC realises how long until they have karma to spend
>>47836216
Yeah, this is the thing I was worried about.
>>47835221
Meh... It still comes too much out of the blue after he's been seemingly solely driven by saving Raymond and getting revenge for Carter.
>>47836216
It's enough to make anyone start brooding and wearing dark clothing.
I'm running a game set in 2057, which books should I hunt down? Rules are unimportant; I just need fluff.
>>47838887
Well at the very least the Sixth World almanac which contains the timeline up to 2073 or so.
If you understand (some) Kraut visit http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Zeitleiste and click on the year. After that go to the bottom of the page. There you find the books cited. Reading them might help
>>47838887
Anything 1e-3e, Shadowrun 2050 (4e), and the Hong Kong tie-in book (5e)
>>47839010
I only read enough Kraut to grasp WW2-era Luftwaffe documents, but I'm sure my friend Google Translate can help. Thanks!
>>47839049
Even If you don't read Kraut the steps are simple
1. Open site
2. Scroll down to year wanted
3. Click on year (this will bring you to the article)
4. Scroll to the bottom of that page
5. ??????????????????????????
6. Profit
>>47839049
In this case check out the OP pastebin again, it has Shadowrun 2050 in german (in the 5th ed. folder "In Deutsch", which is interesting because there is an additional chapter about Berlin from SR:Dragonfall.
>>47839277
Replace Pixie with Nocturna and you're there.
>>47839277
What's the deal with Manablade? Haven't gotted to reading through this issue yet.
Also, is there a list of broken builds\stuff in 5th ed? Would appreciate it.
>>47839433
It's damage and accuracy is the Force of the spell, and any net hits you get on the attack via you Blades or Clubs skill adds to the damage as well. It only works on living targets, but is only resisted by BOD. So, a standard Force 6 spell (drain is F-2) and a good attack with 3 net hits means 9 physical damage vs. BOD.
That's rough already, two strikes for most targets. Now use a fetish to reduce the drain to F-4, overcast a Force 12 manablade and resist the drain with Edge. You now have a blade with 12 base damage, 12 accuracy, and even one single net hit on you attack makes it 13 physical damage, resisted only by BOD. That is some brutal shit.
Hey /srg, I just wanted to genuinely thank this general en masse. It's my first time playing shadowrun after being a shitty Demon the Fallen player for ages, and I'm having the time of my life. Everyone here is very cool and hepful, and my experiences here are leaps and bounds above the CofDg. Thank you for the info, the jokes, and the general non-horribleness.
>>47839713
you're welcome,faggot
>>47839592
Don't forget that because net hits are mostly used for resisting dispelling, some people suggest sustaining spells until your Spellcasting pool is under or near your Magic rating, so that even if you get unlucky the drain is still stun.
>>47839433
No, but it ain't hard to think of some.
Manablade is broken because of what >>47839592 said
Grenade launchers with contact nades are extremely broken, especially semi auto ones because you can't avoid them, only soak. The best defence against them is to kill the wielder before it can shoot.
Avoid builds where you stack initiative and full defense with something like agile defender basically make you go loads and impossible to touch (of course, easily countered with grenade launchers).
Chemical weapons, e.g. pepper punch can be lethal especially if paired with a grenade launcher.
Maybe not broken but definitely significantly stronger than most things, with a few hard counters only.
>>47839592
Wow. That's almost as OP as a force 6 fire spirit.
Hey /srg/ i want to make this guy in 5th e, but not sure how.
Orc or troll melee adept probably?
>>47840253
Add in a point or two of 'ware for assorted bonuses, and you probably have a good start.
>>47840276
What were they again.
All i can think of is max str n some agi with improved reflexes and melee skill stuff with an axe.
>>47839856
Your hits on your spellcasting test are used to resist dispelling, but as for Powerblades all hits are net hits, even a average caster and an average roll are 4 hits to dispell.
Speaking of which, which spells for a powerblade-wielding MysAd-"Jedi"? I got Levitate, Influence, Clout, Blast, Powerblade (duh), maybe Lighting Bolt (for Sith tendencies). Any other typical force powers that can be simulated with spells?
>>47840364
If you have the nuyen, then get the bioware augs for Str and Agi. You get more than one PP's worth out of that partial point of essence. If you don't have a lot of nuyen, then get the cyberware muscle replacement. It gives two PP worth of augmentation for one Essence (meaning one PP).
You might consider something like Platelets so that you take one less physical damage when you do take damage and eventually save up for or take restricted gear for a Pain Editor.
>>47840420
What's the closest thing you can get to berserker in character creation.
Because i'm planing that.
>>47839713
<3CofDg must be a real shithole if we're that much of an improvement.
>>47840490
Maybe Pain Editor as Alphaware? don't remember the essence cost right now.
>>47840536
maybe ask Mac? I remember that she also posts there.
>>47840403
Fling (Spell), Combat Sense (Spell or Power), Danger Sense (Power), Blind Fighting (Power), Freefall (Power), Hang Time (Power), Thought Recognition (Spell), Detect Life(Spell), and Detect Enemies(Spell).
>>47840403
The cheese involved in what I mentioned is that as most builds capable of casting a force 12 spell are going to have spellcasting pools that can produce 6 or more hits. If you sustain spells until your pool rolls your magic in dice or less, then you can't take physical drain. So even if you mess up the drain resistance, you're not going to be dead or dying.
But as to the jedi stuff, you'll probably also want Combat Sense and/or Deflection.
>>47840490
There's a few options:
Drugs like Kamikaze and K-10, which you can throw into an auto-injector
The Berserk Adept Power (Street Grimoire)
Poor Self Control - Combat Monster (Negative quality from Run Faster)
Superhuman Psychosis (Negative Quality from Chrome Flesh)
Adrenaline Pump bioware
Berserker Metagenic Negative Quality (Run Faster, can be taken even without SURGE)
>>47840490
Take at least one of the two adept berserking powers, get a pain editor, and go to town.
>>47840641
You know, the only prerequisite to cast a Force 12 spell is having Magic 6.
>>47839713
meaty troll cock
>>47840990
Brought to you by Horizon, the latest addition to our adult subscription is the new show Trolled.
Your elf wife better not see this otherwise she'll leave you for real man meat.
>>47840835
And one rank of spellcasting. Seven dice has a very low chance of getting seven hits, but it's there. Sustain a spell, make it five dice, and that chance disappears.
Granted, it'd probably be better to do it with two ranks, because still no risk but you have better chances of actually casting the spell.
>>47839592
>>47839884
Thanks, that's enlightening. …SA/FA grenade launchers still broken, why am I not surprised. At least they removed that horrible Firing Selection Change mod.
>>47839884
wait, why are semi-auto ones more broken?
