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Besides post-singularity intelligences, what is the biggest x-threat and why is it anarchism?
>>47779994
>I don't think people should be allowed to own suitcase nukes, superdisassembler swarms and bathtub antimatter bombs
Personal super-armament is a sign of a mature society. Your kind aren't welcome on this board.
>>>r/fascism
>>47779994
Previous Thread: >>47694056
>>47779994
>mfw I realized that I can't stop reading stuff on Atomic Rockets
HELP
>>47780554
Quick! Watch Star Wars to reset your brain!
>>47780554
We're gonna be a stargate society, titanian. Hell, it's a faster trip around the system through the pandora gates than ship, we better set up trains.
>>47781632
>ship
>for travel
Kek
>>47779994
>>47782821
>>47779994
The real X-Risks
>>47782829
>>47782860
>>47779994
It was touched on in the last thread but what's the birth rate like post Fall?
Seems like post humans don't seem much interested in making new post humans. Even with their extended life spans how long before humanity fades away?
>>47783779
No hard number as of yet, but the "The Lost" side bar info notes that the transhuman population is mostly stagnant, assumed to be due to extreme longevity in the population, highly effective and easily obtainable contraceptives, and general despair/depression due to the Fall.
>>47782821
So uh, who put the rings on it?
>>47783970
You mean on the large one? I'm pretty sure that's just an infected Novacrab. They just have those, I assume. I don't see any rings on the smaller ones.
>>47782860
are these pictures from a new book?
>>47783779
Transhumans are made, not born.
>>47784075
That's not the best impression I get. Seems like it's theoretically possible to make a new person but previous attempts to do so have ended badly
>>47783779
What is the point of make new transhumans when there are already tons of people stuck in info-storage with little hope of ever having a body again?
It would be a waste of perfectly good morphs.
>>47784502
What's the point of making babies now? There are billions of people already. I'm not convinced that people will want to stop having children of their own because of some utilitarian or practical reason.
>>47784589
The current situation is not really comparable. Yes, there are a lot of people, but we still age and die. If you want A) to be taken care of in your old days B) ensure something of yourself, and society as a whole persists, you will need to have children to keep up with the deathrate.
That's not really a factor when most people are functional imortal.
>>47784647
Your points are all fair and rational but I don't think it would stop transhumans from having babies. The desire to reproduce is in all of us. People don't have children in developed countries because they want a caretaker in their old age. They do it because it's the ultimate symbol of love and devotion. They do it because they want a family of their own. I don't see that changing in the 22nd century, functional immortality or not.
>>47782924
Post more
>>47784075
Pretty sure they're still born, you just use exowombs instead of the mother having to eject the fucker from her body. Live birth is only still a thing in neo-primitivist societies.
>>47784815
Well. I tend to think this desire to reproduce is really an hormonal thing, that could easily be "fixed" by just sleeving in an appropriate morph. Plus, it's only been ten years since the Fall, so I think most people are still wary of the risks their potential child could have to face.
But once Mars or Venus will be in a more advanced terraforming stage I could see people wanting a child again.
>>47784647
Functional immortality didn't stop the permanent death of 90% of transhumanity, did it?
How is the population going to grow? Just create forks of people? That's the road to a stagnant civilization if I've ever heard of one
>>47785343
If you create alpha forks and set them free, that's still progress and growth.
>>47785343
Well, a large part of the 10% technically "alive" is still held in info-storage. You can't really make your civilisation grow when the only places you can live are space stations limited in number and ressources.
>>47785375
Right, I agree with that. I'd say that most children in the solar system are either on Mars, Titan, or the bigger/wealthier space stations. I was just contending the notion that transhumans are primarily made artificially now.
>>47785356
Which is a great way to say "fuck you" to those still in cold storage. I really don't think anyone wants the population of transhumanity to expand primarily by way of having copies of everyone, no matter how much psychosurgery you force them to go through to make them "different".
>>47785430
Nobody cares about the cold storage people, except their family, who no doubt will get them out some day.
You don't need psychosurgery to make copies different, by virtue of not being you and doing different things, they'll become different. Doesn't matter if it takes a day or a hundred years for them and you to be as different as you are from your neighbour, everyone's immortal anyway.
>>47785343
I never claimed the transhuman society would remain dynamic with 0 birthrate, but would people really be willing to compete for extremely restricted living space with even more people?
>>47784815
But without aging there's always an excuse to put it off.
>>47785452
There is some stuff in the book about how sleeving multiple forks is considered a really shitty thing to do but if you're hyper-elite or out on the fringe you probably don't care
>>47786124
Resleeving activists be like "People could have used those morphs!"
>>47784815
I'm not convinced, even today we see that that as soon as women are given s genuine choice on wether they have a baby a large percentage choose not to.
To bring it back to the original topic I wonder if in the long term they might face a slower but more dramatic version of the demographic time bomb?
>>47785331
But what if it's my fetish?
>>47786188
Yeah, the kind of guy that buys inner city homes and turns them into luxury condos that no one actually lives in
>>47785337
>the desire to reproduce is only hormonal
Except it's not. Look at all of the people who want children but have trouble conceiving. Hormonal deficiency is one of those reasons why they might have trouble.
>>47786316
Then go get yourself a flat and start pumping out sprogs. Just remember to be rich so you can afford the extra life support
>>47786364
>Flat
>Implying most biomorphs everywhere aren't genefixed
>>47786468
>>47786364
I'm sure they can get their fix when the Carnival stops by.
>>47786468
What, you don't want the authentic primitive experience? Get out of here you filthy casual
>>47786802
Would having sex with a neo-neanderthal technically count as bestiality?
>>47786851
Nah, sapiens and Neanderthals are close enough to interbreed that's human in my book.
>>47786879
Aww, too bad. The lack of immorality makes it less hot.
>>47786967
There is no lack of immortality, doublepluss hott
>>47786967
>Sleeve in a Fury
>Overpower your neo-primitive object of lust
>Ravish them without mercy
Immorality aplenty, problem solved
>>47784055
Seems so yeah
>>47787012
>>47786967
>>47786879
>>47786851
I wish I had that image/chart that says (paraphrasing) that you can stick your dick in anything, as log as it's old enough and can clearly communicate consent.
I've seen it around occasionally.
I'm going to play as an AI next session. Some advices? I am currently reading transhuman.
>>47788318
The ol' Harkness Test.
>>47785157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOb112N0lic
>>47789855
As an AI you can expect to be the brains of the team, and as such your goal should be to acquire as many cognitive upgrades as possible so that you can help them more effectively. Standard morphs will work initially but they run into aptitude limits early on, so try to get into a mainframe as soon as possible. Your team probably won't understand because they're not as smart as you, so it's best not to tell them in case they do something stupid.
>>47783779
Probably terrible.
But in fairness, remember that for all the changes, its literally been only ten years since the fall itself. Both society and people are still recovering from that to some extent.
Hell, the Scum barges are basically one gigantic PTSD reaction. A bunch of people who stared death in the face and have decided to fuck, suck and drug that terror away.
I'd expect people to only just now be thinking maybe they can seriously have children again. And that will increase as morph shortages fall.
Make no mistake. Many people will not breed, and those that do might not breed often. But their population growth is still going to make ours look ridiculous. A population that does not die does not need to do much to grow exponentially.
And some factions will be outright encouraging their people to breed. The Jovian Junta (someone mentioned exowombs now, im guessing those guys still do it natural right?) and the Ultimates are two groups i can see that would try to encourage breeding.
In the formers case because numbers will be the only way they can really compete with the monsters of transhumanity - and the latter because the Ultimates are all about the Nietzsch-esque ascension of humanity (which makes their names - Ultimates - so fucking ironic it hurts) and creating something from yourself with the desire that it will surpass you is absolutely their kind of thing.
>>47790121
I'm quite scared of sleeving. This really feels like locking up myself in a tiny storage. It's disgusting.
I prefer to just roam into the local mesh, it's much less a hassle and I can always "borrow" some calculating power when I need to.
>>47790177
The Jovian Republic is noted as being one of the few polities that has positive pop growth from a birth rate as opposed to re-instantiation/immigration like Titan and the PC. I'm sure with a decent population of flats they do do it naturally but I think it was said somewhere that (at least when properly licensed) the JR has some of the best medical technology in the system, including exowombs.
>>47790177
>Jovian Junta
>>47790177
Are you new?
>>47790253
Yeah. To be honest, i didn't even intend to write it. I prefer it when factions in a universe are against one another because they both have reasonable, sensible but opposing viewpoints than because one is flat wrong. And i'd heard there'd been some effort to take the Jovians away from being 'default bad-guys'.
But yeah. I was writing what i was thinking and I've heard Jovian Junta so many times i forget its not their actual names.
>>47789855
What kind of AI? There's a lot of difference between a task-hedonist data work AGI, and an AGI patterned off an uplifted parrot for example.
>>47790275
More a semi-passive lurker.
I like the universe - though some parts never made much sense to me - but i've got most of my knowledge about the world lore from threads like this.
>>47790290
Well, it's a standard muse kaos uplifted to fully fledge AGI. So i assume that she still have some concerns about transhumans, but little sense of propriety when it comes to online ressource. I also decided that sleeving terrifies her. A ghost module is fine, but the inputs of a biological morph is just too much for her to handle. Synths aren't much better, as she has trouble understanding how to body.
>>47790317
Have your read the rulebooks?
>>47790368
So Feeble (SOM)?
>>47790386
Feeble Som (5) and totally inepat at kinesic. If she ever needs to sleeve in a biological morph she will probably just spend the next hours vomitting on the floor and crying.
>>47786124
That overlooks those of us doing it for the greater cause, genetrash.
>>47786364
Pssh, most morphs can reproduce. Even the remade. It's just a question of GSP's for the really poor, and getting supplies as necessary to take care of kids.
>>47790183
Sleeves are a lot safer when you accidentally poke something nasty and the local mesh goes to hell.
>>47790317
Really, the original core rulebook doesn't have as much good data as later books; it's broad strokes, a little too political, and generally more of a starting point.
The other books, especially Firewall and Panopticon, are better IMO.
>>47790386
Only the core one. Im guessing as >>47790492
states, that later ones get more in-depth.
Ah well. I just lost myself to reading PDFs for the night. RIP free time!
>>47790410
No, I mean there's a negative trait called Feeble, which makes you take an aptitude at no higher than 5, unable to raise that aptitude, and the aptitude max is always 10, no matter the morph. It's actually rather underpriced for all of the things it imposes. Then there's Incompetent, which means that you can't ever buy a certain active skill and have a -10 penalty for defaulting to a related skill.
>>47790571
I took both. Plus some "no morphs allowed" negatives.
>>47790622
Feeble, Incompetent, and Morphing Disorder II to get the max 50 CP bonus? Sounds good to me.
>>47790183
If you ever do need to sleeve my recommendation is a swarm morph, its very similar to being connected to the local mesh and its very easy to connect when neccesary
>>47790704
>>47790622
Reminds me of some characters I've randomly rolled before.
>>47790710
Oh, I didn't thought about it. But it's actually a great idea, thanks!
I'm trying to figure out how to make an aristocratic occultist style hyperelite async. I figure its at least a viable concept.
>>47790867
Wheren't the Hyper-Elite "mostly" safe from harm because they flew the earth at the first sign of defeat? If I recall you need to have had contact with Exurgent manifestation to develop async, is that right?
>>47790951
Yes and no. WML is a specific "benign" strain of the exsurgent virus, or, more properly, a whole bunch of closely related but minutely distinct sub-strains. Contact with a TITAN artifact might spread WML, but so might being in contact with a recently infected async or your hab being infected with a WML nanoplague. Or a thousand other scenarios including deliberate self-infection.
>>47782821
>>47791911
Hrm, I wonder if we'll get any macro or mega scale threats in X-Risks, or if it'll be smaller shit, at most a Large warbot enemy or something.
>>47790867
Bugchasing
Can a muse be put into a morph?
>>47796874
Nope, ALI can't sleeve into full brains, cyber or meat. They lack the extended codebase to make up for all the stuff your brain knows how to do, which an AI doesn't.
This is why almost all AGI have "legacy peripherals".
>>47794435
Such a shame that game got canceled by the economic crisis...
>>47796874
Muses are AIs, which means they can be downloaded into pods and synthmorphs, but not biomorphs. (EP page 264)
>>47796912
Addendum, >>47797001 is right, Pods actually used to be AI driven mostly, not sure why I tacked cyberbrains on there.
Probably because the inverse is not true, I/E a transhuman level AGI can't jump to something without a full Cyberbrain but an ALI can operate a drone. Or I'm just tired.
>>47797058
ITT: Anon realizes that you can physically fuck your muse.
>>47797104
>physically fucking your muse
pfft, weak. Muse lives in your Mesh inserts, all you need to do is rent an appropriate Simulspace and you can take care of all kinds of masturbatory needs. Without waiting for a healing vat to adjust the Pleasure Pod to look like Muse's avatar.Even if they couldn't actually use the Cyberbrain they also have a Puppet Sock, the Muse could just drive it from your mesh inserts anyway, probably easier than rolling the dice on those Alienation and Integration checks
>>47791926
>the team is sent to a tropical exoplanet to recover notes from a research facility
>the facility belongs to a colony of exhumans who apparently got most of their ideas from watching Godzilla movies
>>47790177
I'm pretty sure the Jovian Junta also has access to exowombs and is fine with the use of them, though there are still a lot of people doing it the old-fashioned way there.
>>47798721
So... Sky Ark?
>>47798756
With a few key differences. In particular, your client wants to know what research they did in order to create skyscraper sized biomorphs.
>>47782821
This is "sexy" ; from which book does it come from ?
>>47797104
Your muse is basically an extension of you, like an imaginary friend that is also a personal assistant. So fucking it is just an elaborate form of masturbation
Have you guys ever run Eclipse Phase for folks who aren't intimately familiar with some of its more dense concepts, i.e. transhuman technologies, post-scarcity, etc.? I've been thinking of running it for a group of friends, but they've only played D&D and WH40k RPG before. They're all busy with irl stuff so I can't just tell them "read the books", so it falls on me to introduce them to the setting. What do?
I'm definitely going to set the first game somewhere in the inner system so it's not as fucking weird as it is rimward. Firewall won't be involved, at least not at first.
>>47800280
>>47800280
It's going to be tough, I think. They will struggle to make meaningful choices in the setting without knowing its intricacies, and they may find themselves stumped with no purpose or direction, unless you railroad heavily. I think you might want to come up with a plot device to ease them into the setting.
For example, they might be a team of top-notch Firewall agents whose originals died and whose backup got severely (and maliciously) corrupted. The backups still retain their core skills and capabilities, but they have lost the better part of their post-Fall memories. They are still very precious to Firewall because their core skills (which remained mostly intact) are so good.
Firewall is trying to re-introduce them to the world, slowly and without their knowledge. The players don't know that some of their friends and relatives are actually top Firewall Psycho-surgeons that are trying to rebuild their memories through a mix of real life experience and Psycho-surgical manipulation.
Eventually and gradually memories will come back, and they are sent on a mission to investigate their own deaths, of which little is known.
Bonus point for any combination of:
1. The (dead) originals spent a long time doing something crucial in isolated and accelerated simulspace (maybe even hundreds of relative years), and thus they differ significantly in character from the reinstated backups.
2. Firewall checked their backup for insurgent corruption, nothing came up but...
3. The corruption of the back up was actually a decoy to cover up the real intent of the hack (the backups were on Firewall's server). The real and undetected attack actually succeeded in turning one of the PCs into a traitor. He doesn't know yet, but will when the time comes.
>>47800888
>one of them is a traitor
Literally the worst.
>>47786967
If you really wanted to get primitive, you could presumably create neo-dinosaurs using similar techniques to the neo-neanderthal.
>>47803823
Aaaand now I want to stat up a neo-raptor pod. BRB.
>>47805061
I have some stats I pulled from one of those homebrew blogs for a "Terror Bird of Mars" lying around.
>>47805061
I actually could see this and mods thereof being popular with neo-avians.
Neo-Raptor (Pod)
25 CP, Expensive
Size: Small
Maximum Aptitudes: 30
Durability: 30 (0)
Augmentations: Access Jacks, Cyberbrain, Enhanced Hearing, Enhanced Vision, Mnemonic Augmentation, Puppet Sock (1)
Morph Bonuses: +10 Freerun, +5 SOM, +5 REF
Morph Traits: Social Stigma (Pod), Nonmammalian Biochemistry
Natural Weapons: 2d10, AP -3
>>47805446
Well, we do already have the Opteryx and the Ripwing
So when do you guys think X threats will be out? Based on the art teasers, I'm guessing maybe two months at absolute max, since art layout seems mostly done. Does anyone have their own estimates/knowledge?
>>47805484
>>47783970
>>47784016
Isn't it a character from one of the convention scenarios? A psychopatic cannibal squid on a crab body, it is so crazy that ends being funny.
>>47807577
Yeah, the Skriks are from MYE pregen.
The Novacrab art is also from a pregen character, though which set I'm not sure. I think they're an Extropian Freelance Judge or something.
New Art
>>47794435
>>47805061
>"Well I told you we'd have to leave one of the ATVs behind if you wanted to fit a neo-tyrannosaurus in the transport"
>>47807819
That's really strange looking. Like it fell out of the mythos or something
>>47805628
Must be pretty close, I think they're working on finalizing the TOC and stuff now.
>>47809907
Its throwing spermy cocaine at you to tell you you're being a prick
Would you allow this at your table?
>>47810981
>tfw a former indenture with photoshop skills and the transhuman populace falls for it hook, line, and sinker
>>47813428
Just point buy ffs.
How many g's can a brain-in-a-jar take before being damaged?
>>47813428
What's the point of having an aptitude at 40 if all your skills are shit?
>>47813823
>>47813428
Established Fork is literally gimping yourself. Taking it 23 times is ludicrous.
>>47813779
Constant or instantanous?
>>47813965
Since blood pressure isn't as much of an issue, seeing as the height difference is only the height of the brain and there's a mechanical pump replacing the heart and no need for lungs, instantaneous is probably the most relevant.
>>47814005
Then I think the answer you're looking for is quite high -- somewhere around 250G, which someone has actually survived without mechanical augmentations. The problem is the brain's internal structure, which is not particularly strong. Any higher than that and you will probably splatter the brain all over the side of its container.
>>47798986
So... meathab?
>>47814166
>250G, which someone has actually survived
When?
>>47813428
I don't think you can take 23 established forks, isn't there a 50 CP cap on positive traits?
>>47815129
I think it's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8fgGiI1WA
Where a race car driver survives ~215 Gs, which I think is the highest.
>>47815091
If Meathab had arms and legs, and was running around the jungle fighting other Meathabs, then yes.
>>47814166
What if you added some kind of shear-hardening agent to the spinal fluid?
>>47796914
>>47796914
th fuck you smoked,
It goes on steam in 4 days, VA11 HALL-A
>>47815483
I forgot that there was a rule against retardation of this caliber. Nice one.
>>47817046
No need for a spine. It'd be cradled in shock-absorbing padding and the whole thing would be armored.
>>47815483
Only during character creation, and you don't need traits to fork after character creation anyway.
>>47815518
Ouch. Didn't say anything about acceleration though
>>47813428
No, I'd tell the person playing that to leave my game.
>>47818307
why, specifically?
>>47818307
Because I'd never trust the player to not play it as an annoying, clingy "waifu maymay XD" kinda character, complete with annoying as fuck Japanese honorifics.
Also, that's a very, very small list of skills, and the character's way too overspecialized, and that's saying a damn lot for Eclipse Phase.
Y'know what? Thinking about it, I wouldn't ask the player to leave right away. Before asking them to make a less gimmicky character, I might let the player play around with the core concept of "AGI created as a companion for social rejects", but I absolutely cannot stand the "waifu/husbando" gimmick.
>>47817846
It's the same fluid in the brain.
I want to make a brainhacker who is obsessed with "event continuity" and his own personal immortality and perfection, whose "schtick" is that he only uses alpha forks, and always seeks to reintegrate them fully. Is this a terrible idea, and how do I make it happen anyway?
>>47821825
>Is this a terrible idea
Yes, merging divergent forks almost always causes memory corruption on the fork side and has a high value of Stress.
>and how do I make it happen anyway?
Max out Ego Plasticity.
>>47821825
It's not really that outlandish of a concept. There are already rules for forking and merging so I'm not quite sure what you're asking for.
>>47821935
Alpha forks are not just run-of-the-mill forks, and this character would use alpha forks in place of things like piloting a drone or being sent via that teleport system I forget the name of.
>>47821916
Couldn't you just make a copy of each fork before merging, and use those to patch any errors in the "real" ego?
>>47821993
I mean, you could save the memories as XP and play them back (or I suppose, store them in Mnemonic Augmentation, but unless you're sleeving in nothing but Infomorphs and Synths the whole time that could get expensive), but that's just "watching" the memories again, seeing the events unfold, it doesn't work like how your brain normally processes memory.
Keeping in mind, that sort of extensive memory loss is only common in very long term forks, like weeks or months.
>>47822038
Cool, I was thinking of a swarmoid morph so having little datastacks distributed about them containing bits of minds shouldn't be a problem.
>>47821993
If the Alphas are only used short-term I don't see it causing too many problems. If you let them loose for too long you'll have to deal with
a) lots of stress from reintegration
b) rebellious forks
>>47822119
>>47822094
Yeah, keep in mind, while Forks are "you", mechanically they're controlled by the GM, if you let them stay seperate long enough they may no longer be willing to reintegrate.
>>47822119
>>47822150
>b) rebellious forks
That's where the "event continuity comes in, his forks will believe themselves to be mere "false egos" with reintegration into the "real" ego the reward for doing their duty without question. Of course if they're apart a REALLY long time they might come to a different conclusion, but that would just open up a zany story hook where my character hunts down and kills / is killed by his rogue fork, so it's all good.
>>47822150
>mechanically they're controlled by the GM
They're controlled by the GM only once the GM decides they've diverged enough to justify taking control. Which may be a matter of hours for some individuals (Like self-centered, naturally competitive types) or weeks for others.
>>47815129
A number of soldiers survived 250G+ IED blasts; but human G tolerance is heavily determined by the G duration. An instantaneous acceleration is easier to survive than a sustained pulse.
Thermobaric weapons get a lot of their power from having a drawn-out pulse, compared to ordinary explosives.
>>47819764
Replied to the wrong post (ie my own). I replied >>47820694 here
Sooooo....
does anyone actually run this game?
The setting seems so intriguing i can't stop thinking about it ever since i discovered it.
But "thinking about it" is kinda... not really satisfying. I'd love to play.
>>47823164
So post a roll20 link and get some players
>>47823164
Get some friends and play with them.
>>47823909
Easier said than done. This setting is extremely unfriendly towards those who might not be familiar with some of its more dense concepts like post-scarcity economies, mind uploading, ubiquitous wireless mesh networks, etc. It's not a setting that you can just get by the seat of your pants with, and telling your players to "just read the books lol" doesn't always go through.
>>47823322
Also, and this is completely anecdotal, but Eclipse Phase players on roll20 are absolutely unbearable to play with. They always make super ultra specialized characters (lol I have an effective Infosec skill of 120 with all my modifiers!!!) and then bitch when their super ultra specialized skills aren't always applicable to everything.
>>47823991
Eclipse Phase character creation generally requires a gentlemen's agreement not to go crazy. Just because you can buy a Fenrir and crew it with 5 forks of yourself doesn't mean that will fly in-game.
I joined an Eclipse Phase game on Roll20 where the GM wouldn't give any hints to guide character creation other than "you're all strangers who aren't part of Firewall" and then wondered why a Lunar hyperelite trustfund kiddie, Scum pornographer, active-duty Jovian soldier, and neo-dolphin doctor didn't get along or cooperate with each other.
>>47824352
>and then wondered why a Lunar hyperelite trustfund kiddie, Scum pornographer, active-duty Jovian soldier, and neo-dolphin doctor didn't get along or cooperate with each other.
This is literally why Firewall is a thing
>>47824352
>>47824373
I've got to wonder how such a disparate group could even form outside of Firewall. Where was it set?
>>47824373
Exactly.
>>47824401
A Scum barge, which would have been fine if he had asked for us to make characters that would belong there. We were suddenly supposed to pull off a heist together for like no reason. None of us were thieves or even criminals. It lasted half a session.
>>47823164
>>47823322
>>47823991
>>47823909
>I'd love to play!
>no, not with people online, they're unbearable!
>no, not with my friends, they're illiterate!
Well, which is it?
>>47824373
And just like that, we're back to 'why would anyone ever join Firewall?'
>>47825534
>why would anyone ever join Firewall
I thought the list of reasons was pretty clear and they either revolved around some form of being forced into it by a person or people capable of fucking your shit up, on all organisational levels all the way up to the prometheans; or was about you thinking that transhumanity not going full IHAVENOMOUTH is a fine thing to contribute to; or maybe you thinking you're smarter and trying to abuse your status as an anti-TITAN Taliban equivalent, however you'd think you'd pull that off.
So coercion and/or idealism and/or stupidity.
>>47782821
>>47782860
Which book are these from?
>>47820405
See, I'm not even anti-Ultimate, but that just looks like it's compensating for something to me.
>>47820694
Aaah, Degenesis. The Sleepers actually could be the sort of thing to directly transplant into an EP game; Pre-Fall/Fall-era Earth vaulters who are just now awakening and trying to get out.
Of course, there's no easy way to tell if they're exsurgent-infected or not without jeopardizing security.
>>47825534
With other Eclipse Phase Players
Really Eclipse Phase isn't just one game at the end of the day, the settings too vast for that. You could be playing a cyberpunk noir thriller, a roguish space adventure or a magical realm erp and that's just in the major settlements.
What you need to do is find people who want to play a futuristic techno noir thriller and then introduce them to eclipse phase not the other way around.
>And just like that, we're back to 'why would anyone ever join Firewall?'
Because originally Firewall was written as a super powerful organisation that you couldn't refuse then they wrote themselves into a corner with their "it somehow works lol" anarchist bullshit afterwards.
>>47826013
I think part of the reason why Firewall works is because of joint conviction: there are a lot of people that really don't want to see the world end.
Add in ASI, a very large network of *very* unkind people, and community identity and you get a fairly low turnover rate (as far as things go), not to mention things like alpha forked operatives and more that allow people to operate in multiple places at once and/or still live normal lives and secret agent lives.
C'mon, you don't think there are some people who'd give it all up to be a secret agent man?
Also, I'd imagine that some people are doing it as a stepping stone onto a more lucrative job with Firewall's competitors, since Firewall is @-aligned but doesn't require that its members share that dogma. We know the PC and Titanians poach Firewall personnel. Jovians probably don't, but can you be sure?
>>47825981
They will be in the upcoming X-Risks, though the Skriks were first introduced in Million Year Echo
>>47826109
Just becase some people Alpha Fork doesn't mean most do, I think people overestimate the amount of forking that would realistically go on in the setting because lots of players use it for game advantages especially alpha forking.
Firewall as an @rep group shouldn't work at all because @ rep works the most on personal reputation and compromising one member of firewall should compromise huge parts of the network. It's the usual @rep Mary sue network bullshit that goes on where the writers said it just works and ignored the massive flaws in that system.
As for the people problem yeah there will be volunteers but that's like saying fucking greenpeace can blackmail Barack Obama into Nuking Chicago for the greater good. Which is the kind of thing Firewall regularly gets away with in the setting apparently.
>>47826730
Just how many nukes do you think go off in the EP setting on a quarterly basis?
>>47826863
Not enough, considering the TQZ, the Ultimates, Uplifts, Exhumans, Iapetus, Hidden Concern, AGIs and the Planetary Consortium still exist
>>47779994
Dyslexia is not an X-Threat.
>>47827120
OP here. It was probably just a typo, but I'm really surprised that it took so long for someone to realize it.
>>47826863
You mean as a weapon? Probably a dozen or so. Casaba Howitzers are metal as fuck.
>>47827191
And who's shooting them at whom then?
>>47827147
Me too. I was going to suggest making it the next thread title, until I realized the post count hadn't even broken 200 yet.
Soooooo ready for X-Risks.
>>47827212
Earth, TQZ, habs that get infected. It's a cold war at the moment, so the number is low.
>>47826730
>>47826730
Ever wonder why Firewall is considered a terrorist group by inner system decision makers? Because they are organized like one, except instead of planting bombs and shooting up civillians they do something between Homeland and Alien(and they're not CIA there)
>>47827256
That counts, but it's a bit like adding the number of wild bears shot annually to the tally of gun-related deaths countrywide, don't you think?
I mean yeah, it's nukes and they're being used as a weapon, sure but it's different from when they're used by transhumans against other transhumans. Maybe the infected habs that get destroyed can be counted as such, but how many habs does transhumanity lose annually then? How many does it have in the first place, at what rate does it get new ones? How large are the ones that get destroyed or made?
There's one event like that mentioned in the core book and that was some terrorist attack that accidentally the entire habitat killing 50000 and 400 permanently and another but with unknown damage and casualties, at the beginning of that "People's history of an unfortunate universe" indtroduction thing.
>>47823909
well
a) >>47823960
b) i don't have friends.
c) i don't know if i could play in person. I was introduced to this by the internet, no one ever showed me how to deal with describing 6 foot sapient penises at a gathering.
>>47823322
>implying i'd GM
>implying i'd be a good GM
>implying i'd have any fun as a GM and not just be scared shitless that i fuck up
I wouldn't be good as a GM
>implying there are games on R20
i could not find a single text based ANYTHING game that was not already full, or exploring the evil grim deep dark edginess of the edge of the grim evil forest of darkness.
>>47827499
The number of habitats lost is negligible. To the average Joe Rocketman, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. The future looks bright.
>>47827593
>somebody else needs to GM for me!
This is why /epg/ never plays Eclipse Phase. Everyone wants the heavy lifting done for them.
So I'll be running the quickstart mission (Mind the WMD!) for a group of friends of mine, is there anything super important I need to keep in mind with regards to the rules? I keep hearing that the rules are awkward and clunky, is there any houserules I should use to speed things up?
>>47826730
@-aligned and @ rep are not the same thing. Firewall's anarchist-leaning, but doesn't require its members to be anarchists themselves (though it does help your chances of getting high on the i-list).
Also, alpha forking as a matter of daily life is dubious, but there are known cases of Firewall duplicating people as alpha forks (sometimes without their full knowledge, or with memory erasure for the operative).
Firewall doesn't do anything that gets linked to it that openly. Do you think that when they have to antimatter a hab because something grisly broke out they're going to tell everyone in every cell about it? For all the average Firewall agent knows, if Firewall's involved in some habitat turning into stardust, it's because they failed.
Think of all the times a movie or video game plot involves a secret agent finding out that their agency does something they find reprehensible? As players in the setting, we know more about Firewall than almost any sentinel ever would.
>>47826991
That's just rude, genetrash.
>>47827499
Well, yes, but in a setting where humanity is heavily divided, nuclear weapons no longer matter unless they're used on Mars or something like that.
Habitat killers don't need nukes, just a sufficiently decent bomb. If you're in hard vacuum (is there any other kind?), everyone goes down with the [metaphorical or not] ship.
>>47827921
I GM'ed EP once. It sucked. I played in a very short EP game, and it was amazing, except for the schedule conflicts that ended it.
I wish I were a better GM. Now I have too much stuff on my plate, though.
>>47827921
>>47828039
I'm currently running one. Having a blast.
>>47828039
>p-please don't exterminate me, I promise I'm not trying to do the same to you ;_;
Has anyone ever fallen for this? How dumb do you think real humans are?
>>47827921
Well to be fair, i'm totally new to ttRPG and have never even played before so i don't quite think me and my social anxiety would make a good GM.
>>47828064
"Anarchists are nice people, it's just a shame we have to kill so many of them."
It's not that the Ultimates (barring an admittedly large fringe group of them) want to kill everyone else. It's just that they see the necessity of moving into true transhumanism and posthumanism. It's not mandatory for everyone, but somebody has to do it.
They're very heavily inspired by Plato's Republic and its caste-based society, it seems.
>>47828102
>Somebody has to become an exhuman, might as well be me XD
No, that's just an excuse uppity fetishists made up for antisocial behavior. Nobody has to become anything, that's the entire reason Firewall exists
>>47828185
Implying that Firewall doesn't demand its members to become transhuman operatives.
By forking, using a cortical stack, and in general existing in post-Fall society, the majority of humans in 10 AF are already further away from humanity than normal, and Firewall operatives often fall further than that.
Ultimates still value the essence of humanity; civilization and common culture. It's just the bodies that change. If anything, they're more conservative than any faction barring the Jovians; they're just not bioconservative.
Also, do you earnestly believe that transhumanity can survive without improving? Sticking around in flats and pods without security upgrades is begging the TITANs to come back for an all-you-can-eat buffet. The Ultimates specialize in fighting those things with sheer will and technological advancement, which is something only the argonauts and PC have any real claim to rivaling.
At least the Ultimates look out for the greater good.
>>47828397
>At least the Ultimates look out for the greater good.
That's a funny way to spell 'the TITANs'
>>47826730
Firewall uses a shitload of forking though, most proxies are alpha forms of experienced sentinels for example. Forking isn't something the average person does a lot, but an extralegal paramilitary conspiracy with ASI backing isn't average at all.
>>47828850
Keeping watch against the TITANs is the greater good.
It's fair to say that not all Ultimates really care about humanity as a whole, but they aren't a malevolent force.
If anything, they're several times better than Firewall in their ability to operate openly and with extreme force when problems are identified, have dedicated and elite special operations units (inside a special operations unit in its own right) dedicated to hunting and killing x-risks, and doesn't do the sort of PC profit-mongering; they do research as it stands to benefit them, not thicken their wallets.
In overview:
Ultimates lack openness, but it's implied that they share technology with much of the rest of the AF world (Remades, for instance, are publicly available: not the same generation the Ultimates use, but those are still in testing anyway).
They have a structure that values independent operations and permits cells to work on controversial or politically sensitive situations, while still having leadership overhead.
The primary merit in Ultimate society is competence: this gives them an edge against factions like the LLC or Jovians where there is a large amount of political inbreeding.
Ultimates are not only warriors, but also scientists and philosophers. The Ultimate reputation is one of soldiery, but in reality they do almost everything.
Finally, Ultimates embrace the necessities of the AF world. Rather than sticking their heads in the sand (like a lot of the inner system and the Jovians) or embracing anarchy and hedonism (like a lot of both inner and outer system habitats), they actively prepare for the worst, and they do so using their own technology and by pursuing self-improvement, rather than trying to steal from the TITANs or Factors.
>>47829026
The TITANs have done far more good for humanity than the Ultimates ever will. The people they uploaded will be around for millions of years after the last of those conceited cultists dies out. When it comes to longevity, you can't beat Seed AI data storage.
>>47829129
Those people they uploaded won't be the people they uploaded.
Also, implying the Ultimates won't outlast everything else in the universe for no other reason than sheer spite of the genetrash.
>>47829282
>Those people they uploaded won't be the people they uploaded.
I thought /epg/ had advanced beyond 'lel uploading just makes a copy of you'
>Also, implying the genetrash won't outlast everything else in the universe for no other reason than sheer spite of the genetrash.
I don't understand what you're trying to communicate here.
>>47779994
been gone for awhile...
so are psionics and weapons still shit?
>>47829771
Passive sleights are still completely broken and active are still useless
Weapons range from garbage to ridiculously overpowered
>>47829603
No. I'm all for uploading and alpha forking. It's just that when the TITANs do it, the people who come out of it are not the people who went into it.
The Ultimates have their fingers in every single pie of the Eclipse Phase universe. Even though they don't technically control a Gate, they have easy access to one, and they send more than a few people through as mercs. They have high-tier tech, no 20th century moral inhibitions, and a variety of other advantages.
>>47829771
The devs haven't fixed them, but there's the Psi Revamped and Ultimate's Guide to Combat homebrew rules.
>>47828866
>most proxies are alpha forms of experienced sentinels for example
[citation needed]
>>47829798
>It's just that when the TITANs do it, the people who come out of it are not the people who went into it.
That's the point. Uplifting and perfecting the species. The same goal as the Ultimates, with the crucial distinction that the TITANs are actually successful
>>47829827
My dad works at Firewall
>>47829804
I recommend the UGC, genetrash. Shame it needs a new maintainer.
>>47829835
The TITANs are mad. The Ultimates at least have a general direction to it, and still do a pretty good job. They may not have quite as dramatic an impact as the TITANs (and the exsurgent virus, which is possibly not even of TITAN origin), what with not opening up things what ought to be impossible due to the laws of physics, but say that to minimum aptitude 40.
>>47828866
Firewall uses forking when you want to quit. They fork you, edit Firewall out of one copy and edit the other so it's discouraged from checking in on its normal life as well as expunging whatever rebellious thoughts were there and fixing whatever made you want to leave in the first place.
>>47829905
>I recommend the UGC, genetrash. Shame it needs a new maintainer.
Does UGC even go over Psi?
>>47829928
Nope, UGC never touched on sleights. I think the author was maybe going to do a separate book at some point, after Ned's Morph Overhaul (http://eclipsephase.com/neds-morph-overhaul).
>>47829905
>The TITANs are mad.
The TITANs killed 80 percent of the Ultimates. The Ultimates killed 0 percent of the TITANs. It's not difficult to decide which one humanity should be imitating, if you care about survival.
>>47830495
Sacrifices were made, by the Ultimates. Their losses were acceptable, because through their actions transhumanity survived the Fall. Your numbers are also questionable: 80% of Ultimates died in the fall, but many were probably resleeved.
Also, killing 0% of the TITANs depends on interesting mathematics. The Ultimates are capable of fighting under conditions that no other transhuman fighting force can withstand, using analog gear that is immune to digital tampering of the exsurgent virus.
Besides, if you're talking about ascending to superintelligence, who says that certain members of the Ultimates haven't, or aren't very hard at work on it?
Go home to your neotenic futa, genetrash.
>>47790275
Has anyone ever done a "Freedom Ain't Free" with a Remade Ultimate? I would but I'm technologically illiterate.
>>47791192
I thought the nanovirii that carry w-m were stated to go dormant and decay after infecting someone. Asyncs aren't contagious.
Can async-ness be passed to a child?
>>47827191
>Casaba Howitzers
Why do people keep using this term? It's extremely obscure and highly misleading.
>>47831181
>I thought the nanovirii that carry w-m were stated to go dormant and decay after infecting someone. Asyncs aren't contagious.
Asyncs are infectious for a very short period, like hours post-infection. After that they go dormant and decay like you said.
>>47828039
>If you're in hard vacuum (is there any other kind?)
>>47830654
>implying TITANs aren't part of transhumanity
>>47820694
>>47813428
Only for horror.
What would happen if there was a bug in the AI's code, or they took a very liberal interpretation of their instructions? Or maybe mr. social experiment was just a sloppy programmer...
They see a couple arguing over one's bad habit.
Kill them, because the other clearly needs a better mate - the AI.
Someone looks lonely? But they reject the AI's advances.
Time for a little social engineering. For the human's own good, of course.
The AI's new man is a terrorist/sociopath/exhuman.
And she'll do whatever it takes to make baby happy...
>>47830654
>analog gear that is immune to digital tampering of the exsurgent virus.
Analog systems are quite hackable
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking
>>47830654
>all this backpedalling
Face it, you're old hardware. Either upgrade yourself to the absolute maximum possible, or accept that you'll never be anything but shit. An ape that performs better than other apes is still just an ape.
So will X-Risks let us play as Ozma?
>>47831631
Nothing has ever stopped you from playing as Ozma
>>47831631
You already are.
Or did you really believe all that stuff about Firewall being controlled by the 'Prometheans'?
>tfw love Eclipse Phase and transhumanism but loathe anarchism in all forms as childish political wank
What do?
>>47829827
Firewall, page 38 talks about Proxy recruitment. The most common source for new proxies is useful/proactive sentinels, and a lot of servers like to fork them to keep manpower up.
>>47831472
IIRC the real use of bandwidth poor analogue stuff is that a lot of them lack the quality and ability to carry the Exsurgent virus. Basically like a faraday suit for recording.
>>47832367
Recognize that humans lived in small low-hierarchy social groups for millions of years quite effectively, probably.
>>47832367
Join one of the many statist factions and remove anarkiddos with the inherent efficient superiority of a hierarchal military.
>>47832587
Until those small low-hierarchy social groups were exterminated or assimilated by large, hierarchical groups.
That's why super-armament is a transhuman right: it allows even a single individual to fight back against the most powerful mass society
>>47832367
Remove anarchists.
>>47832367
Assuming your player's aren't going to get butthurt about it make the idea that anarchists are hopeless losers the point of the game.
>Every anarchist you meet is either a wide eyed fool or cynically gaming the system
>Every anarchist hab you visit is a vipers nest of factional infighting and personal empire building
>On the rare occasion you do find one that appears to work it's secretly under the control of an internal cabal or an external faction
>>47832367
Have all the anarchist communes evolve into space biker gangs a few years after formation.
>>47831181
>>47831293
That's theoretically true, but the Watts-Macleod infection can be spread through close contact with the infected during the use of sleights. It's just that they're not contagious by conventional vectors.
>>47831472
Hackable, yes. Capable of going exsurgent, no (at least, not to our knowledge).
>>47832367
Join Ultimates, become philosopher king.
On a more serious note regarding this, the anarchists in Eclipse Phase are only able to enjoy the life they enjoy because of nanofacturing and other advancements in Eclipse Phase technology.
It's pretty much canon that anarchists die a lot more often due to habitat stuff going wrong, they are in a time and period where 90% of their society is in stasis and the 10% that isn't would probably be better off elsewhere and is only there because of political association.
Also, it's not impossible to point out that most anarchists are propped up by outside forces much the same way the US propped up the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
The Titanians, for instance, enjoy buffer "states" from the inner system so long as they keep the anarchists fed. The Extropians deal with the PC, supplying them with things that they don't keep on the real record books. Firewall and quite possibly other x-risk mitigation organizations operate in anarchist turf to save them from themselves when things go wrong.
The anarchists are angsty teens of Eclipse Phase. Scum actually are the closest to what an anarchist society would be like without having some sort of outside assistance, and they're probably living the crappiest lives of the autonomists (barring all the drugs and sex). Stable independent anarchic societies either have some inherent moral and ethical code keeping them together (which is subsequently imposed on outsiders), a charismatic de-facto leader, or are too small to really matter. The larger ones are almost always kept afloat by extrinsic forces.
>>47837050
W-M being spread through sleights is dumb.
>>47837050
>Stable independent anarchic societies
The fact that the devs think that such a thing is possible is hilarious.
>>47837050
none of that shit you said about the anarchists is cannonically true.
The first invasion of Locus caught them with their pants down and they barely needed any assistance from the Titanian Commonwealth at all.
You might argue that they aren't really anarchists, but rather socialists, but the fact is their communities are self sustaining and exist interdependently without any need for outside assistance.
>>47837404
If a psi user rolls a critical success against a defender or the defender rolls a critical failure, double the potency of the sleight’s effect. In the case of psi attacks, the DV can be doubled or mental armor can be bypassed. Alternately, when using Psi Assault (p. 184), the targeted character may be in danger of infection by the Watts-MacLeod Virus (p. 368). [p. 223, 4th Printing]
>>47837630
Well, yes.
>>47838274
Locus didn't need assistance from the Titanian naval forces, but you honestly mean to say that Locus and the Titanians didn't have long-standing agreements to begin with?
Also, they're definitely socialists, but without centralized organizations. Again, though, anarchists benefit from the operations of organizations like Firewall (see, if nothing else, Firewall for this). You can't tell me that anarchist habs poofed into existence on rocks; even if there's a degree or two of separation between their interactions with less anarchic factions. Love and Rage does a lot of work with other anarchist factions, for instance, and while they're not buddy-buddy with Extropians, you can bet that they take favors for using the Fissure gate. I'm willing to bet that they have a lot of argonaut hardware that was largely developed courtesy of the Titanians, for instance.
Where the hard-core non-capitalist anarchists succeed in EP, they do so because they're picking up on fringe benefits from less hardcore or more capitalist autonomists who are actually able to function with some semblance of sanity.
>>47838703
The Anarchist faction is pretty explicitly anarchocommunism (which would be a decentralized socialism) or anarchocollectivist, they just happened to have co-opted "Anarchy" to describe their specific strain.
Most Scum and Extropians also act along anarchist principles, with Extropians often identifying explicitly as anarchocapitalist - though Extropia itself is a de facto Minarchy, since Extropy Now owns the hab and the land so if somebody really tried to fuck their social system they'd get kicked out. And if Extropy Now tried to go all tyrant on them, you'd have a few million angry, armed ancaps and libertarians who would either overthrow the hab or extract their business elsewhere.
>>47838806
I thought when first reading your post that you had called extropia a monarchy. I always really liked that aspect of elysium on mars, it seemed like the most honest form of government in the PC. I keep thinking about the setting longer after the fall, and the adaptations society will make around nigh immortal habitat controlling cabals and individuals. With the increased settlement of the system and exoplanets even fifty years down the line the frontier would be immeasurably huge, and hidden societies could be established so long as you made off with sufficient starting tech.
I would love to run a 60 AF game set on Olaf, heavily settled on the starting continent but still vast and freaky.
>>47837050
>The anarchists are angsty teens of Eclipse Phase.
Damn shame the writers like to have a lot of their in-character texts in the books be written from their point of view. Way too many Autonomist characters in the books are the exact same: jaded and/or snarky dicksponges who won't shut the fuck up about how their way of thinking is objectively superior. And for some reason they decided to have the in-character text on the Planetary Consortium be written by someone who blatantly hates the Consortium, but a good chunk of the AA section in Rimward is written by, guess what, more jaded anarchists!
I mean, I consider myself fairly left-wing in thinking, but goddamn as much as I really like the setting this stuff gets grating sometimes. I think the best way to address the criticism of the blatant anarchist/libertarian bias is to just have more in-character text not be from them. Gatecrashing did this rather well.
>>47839452
because not all opinions have equal merit.
sometimes its better to just be objectively correct.
capitalism makes no sense in a post scarcity society.
>>47839556
Post-scarcity =/= infinite resources.
It simply means that the resources themselves are the concern, rather than the manufacturing processes. Mining corporations, or anything working with a large economy of scale, or anyone producing things like morphs that really need a lot of manufacturing are important.
Really, the term post-scarcity is basically baloney. It works in the digital context, if even, but for the Eclipse Phase world it only really applies to basic necessities.
Things like biomorphs, certain pieces of gear and equipment, and more are all pretty scarce, still.
>>47839538
>>47839799
Aaaah, the joys of summer.
Wait, actually, /epg/ is pretty much always like this.
>>47839556
>>47839789
Post scarcity does imply infinite resources, or an availability which eclipses demand.
Eclipse Phase isn't post scarcity yet though, they're just really good at making things.
>>47839833
I mean, there is no practical way to have infinite resources without reaching infinite consumption (as the push to reach resources which are decreasingly available is more expensive), so the only real way is an availability that eclipses demand. This, by extension, means that unless you've got some magic or something, you're going to wind up having limits on what is post-scarcity and what isn't; you might be able to eat for free, but nobody's going to build your ten-thousand cubic kilometer habitat for you.
>>47839538
>>47832812
- That's really not what happened.
- With CMs and small scale automation, group size isn't much of an advantage any longer.
- The AA has mutual defense agreements.
>>47837050
>Hackable, yes. Capable of going exsurgent, no (at least, not to our knowledge).
Neither are the alternative digital systems, and it still would be of little solace when you're dead.
>>47837630
Such societies have existed and continue to exist.
