Let's All Get Along Edition
Boxy Grandpa, when I grow up I want to be an Imperator Titan Sub-Edition
In the last thread something slightly stupid happened, new FW dice, treacherous paints betrayed Anon, a RGfag got tips, the square cube law rule is unfair, make your own RoW, we had to explain why Perturabo hates his robots, beep beep boop boop beep(!), boop boop beep boop, Curzefag owes us a pair of NL panties and much more in the old bread >>47755141
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>>47776627
>the ultramarines only had like 50k marines at the most though
That's a lot by the end of the siege!
Post-heresy chapters have 1,000 marines in companies, but it seems that drivers/techmarines, apothecaries, fleet crew, recruiters, etc. don’t count. They might have up to 1,500 actual marines, maybe more in the early days. That works with the Ultramarines having about 50k and splitting into 20-30 chapters. The healthier legions split into 4-7 successors, and a few like the Salamanders and Space Wolves had 0-1 successors (granted, the SW probably have ~3,000 marines).
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Titan_Legion_Creation_Tables
We should roll up a Titan. Also what is a Nemesis and Nightgaunt Titan?
>>47776764
>That's a lot by the end of the siege!
not compared the the traitors. not that it matters, they wouldve destroyed the golden throne. once the golden throne is destroyed it doesnt matter if you threw a million marines at them, because youd be fighting infinite demons and probably even fully manifested chaos gods themselves.
>>47776671
>when I grow up I want to be an Imperator Titan Sub-Edition
?
Also, I just noticed that the Alpha Legionnaire on the OP pic has an omega symbol on his chest.
Rolled 31 (1d100)
>>47776781
A nemesis is an Imperator without the castle.
Also, is this going to be the Titan that rolls with the League?
>>47776781
In the original Adeptus Titanicus game, every titan was a Warlord titan. Different weapons combinations each had their own class name, like Nemesis or Nightgaunt. Some had more weapons than others; I think the Nemesis was better armed than most. I don’t remember the exact loadouts.
>>47776850
Yes it is. And we're a warhound legion. Roll for the first and lead titans.
>>47776875
Is the Nemesis the psyker one?
Rolled 72 (1d100)
>>47776893
Wait, are we rolling a titan legio or just one?
>>47776919
The whole Legio. We'll make one Titan to be in the League. We're a Nightgaunt?
Rolled 14 (1d20)
>>47776940
That means fast and choppy.
>>47776973
Oh. And it's a d100 you're suppose to roll on.
Rolled 52 (1d100)
>>47777002
>>47777018
>This Engine was at the forefront of a glorious crusade deep into uncharted regions, defeating countless foes and bringing an entire sector back into the light of the God-Emperor.
To go where no Titan has gone before and to murder everything that isn't human in it.
Rolled 82 (1d100)
>>47777045
Sounds like a good plan.
>>47777074
We live on a datahive.
>Datahive - Extremely rare and nigh-legendary, a datahive is a Forge World devoted entirely to the collection and analyzation of data. On those rare occasions when a Titan Legio is established upon a datahive, they are invariably equipped with immense and comprehensive databases on the foes of mankind from those long-dead tomes
Bring out the Ninja Cards!
Rolled 2 (1d10)
>>47777096
>>47777114
The Emperor christened us. Bring out the space wine. And none of that cheap space vodka.
Rolled 7 (1d10)
>>47777137
>Not drinking the Space Vodka
>>47777157
I'm not a Vostrayan. And we're half strength.
Rolled 3, 3, 8 = 14 (3d10)
>>47777174
Deeds, Trophies and Failures
>>47777208
>Destroyer of Daemons - This Legio has laid low a Daemonically Possessed Titan of one of the Traitor Titan Legios.
Suffer not the dinobot to live!
>3
That be the Cadian Gate. I guess that can be our Legio's future.
>8
>Vainglorious Pride - The Legio's stubbornness caused the failure of a great battle, costing the Imperium dearly in doing so.
Pride before the fall.
Rolled 4 (1d15)
>>47777241
So we chased the Traitors during the scouring from Terra to the Eye of Terror, and haven't moved in 10,000 years
>>47777279
We need a color scheme. I'm thinking a peppermint color.
>Spiritless Servants - Crews exclusively servitors, save for the princeps.
That seems rather dull though. But I guess a Priceps doesn't need conversation save the Titan.
Rolled 12 (1d15)
>>47777315
Allies
>>47777346
We're friends with the men and women in pimpin' hats. Or rather the Knight Errants/Malcador in this time period.
Rolled 10 (1d10)
>>47777389
>>47777411
Traitor IA. Maybe we should do some fluffing for them when we get done.
Rolled 4 (1d15)
>>47777449
>>47777459
>Electro-Shadow - There is no such thing as being too large and visible to lay an ambush.
With our not!Ninja Cards we know every weakness, and how to be sneaky beakies within Titans.
Alright, just got up from my nap and started up some spaghetti, should be ready a little after my husband gets home.
What did I miss?
>>47777610
Nothing much, Mama Anon. We rolled up a Titan Legion.
>>47777619
Alright, doesn't sound bad to me.
>>47777635
Now we just have to roll up the Traitor Guard. This being 30k just leave out all of their 40k options and include 30k options. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard_Regiment_Creation_Tables
Guys, you can do that right? Just use IG for count as IA?
Rolled 4 (1d10)
>>47777675
Rolling!
>>47777675
If you use IA rules then you've got relatively elite, well-equipped (void-ready) IG.
If you want rabble, use the Militia rules.
>>47777713
We're a true regiment.
>>47777718
Well we are a true regiment. We ain't no rabble.
>>47777718
This, I use Militia rules for my guardsmen and Scions.
Scions because Survivors Provenance means that they're all wearing power armor.
Let's roll for our traitors' demographic,
How does this rolling stuff work? Along with filename threads, it's something I've never understood despite spending way too much time here.
I vote for void-hardened rough riders.
Rolled 64 (1d100)
>>47777866
You go on the table on te 1d4chan page and roll on the appropriate chart.
The anon who's been saying to roll hasn't been posting the die needed.
>>47777866
You put dice+ the number of dice and faces in the options bar, and check the tables such as this https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard_Regiment_Creation_Tables
>>47777883
We're firstborn. Maybe we're traitor Vostrayans who sided with Horus for premium quality space Vodka.
Rolled 9 (1d10)
>>47777908
To appease the anons who won't stand for violations of the lore, no matter how small, we can't be Vostroyans as they formed the Vostroyan First-Born as punishment/redemption for staying out of the Heresy and remaining neutral.
Also, say what to roll for and the die mext time, it's annoying to have to go back and forth.
>>47777946
Sorry. I forgot that. I did think of Space Mediterraneans who use space Vodka as an (addictive) combat drug. Roll for homeworld.
Rolled 1, 37 = 38 (2d100)
>>47777971
Mate, you also meed to say what die we meed to use as well, you idiot.
Rolling for both homeworld and terrain to save post space.
Rolled 1, 1 = 2 (2d10)
>>47778044
Mate. You really can't be this stupid.
>>47778016
Hive and desert. Roll d100 for core units.
>>47777971
Vodka's not from the Mediterranean. Wine and stronger grape-based drinks are (brandy, grappa), and a bunch of herbal or anise-flavored liqueurs.
>>47776503
If they'd managed to kill Guilliman, it's more likely the UM would have gone with Sanguinus back to Terra instead of sitting in their own little empire. Horus didn't want that one bit.
Rolled 20 (1d100)
>>47778066
>>47778064
Rolled for specialization and loyalty.
>>47778064
>>47778066
Just kill me already. Just take a bullet and end my life already. I'm through with my own stupidity.
>>47778075
Oh. My mistake then.
>>47778097
We're infantry. From the other rolls we're overzealous(for Horus) and we're drilled and disciplined. Roll a d100 for our special equipment.
Rolled 34 (1d100)
>>47778117
>>47778121
Exotic mounts? Looks like that Anon is getting his rough riders. Roll a d100 for our regimental creed.
Say one nice thing about your least favorite primarch.
>Lion has pretty hair
Rolled 64 (1d100)
>>47778137
Would you say that these rough riders might be... Busty?
>>47778176
Curze has nice bats.
I guess.
>>47778176
Lorgar doesn't want to see Angron hurt.
>>47778176
At least Lorgar made some stylish units. Diablosists are awesome.
>>47778181
>For Horus!
>Would you say that these rough riders might be... Busty?
Yeah sure. The Space Wine makes every woman and man grow cowtits. I'm talking about K cups. Roll 1d100 for regimental relations.
>>47778176
shit i hate so many of them.
at least girlyman was good at counting beans.
Rolled 40 (1d100)
>>47778176
Guilliman was a pretty cool dude, honestly.
>>47778217
The men too? Slaanesh worshippers then. Not my cup of tea, might I tell you.
>>47778282
We're friends with the Mechanicum. Obviously to give us bionic backs to handle the wine induced cowtits.
>The men too? Slaanesh worshippers then. Not my cup of tea, might I tell you.
At least we know how we fell to Chaos. Roll a d100 for our enemies.
>Tfw no months-early leaks of the next HH plastic box set
I NEED SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO DAMN IT
Rolled 22 (1d100)
>>47778319
>>47778331
There's the new Titanicus game.
>>47778338
We hate Orks who punch our squishy bits.
>>47778176
>Say one nice thing about your least favorite primarch.
His treachery led to the creation of Zardu's awesome model? No srsly, what's good about either Lorgar or the WB?
I still see the Ashen Circle as the Imperial Heralds.
Yo off work, time to get my feud on.
Where did we leave off?
>>47778176
Curze was smart enough to kill himself
>>47778354
Yeah... conveniently resized so all the older, and more specifically 3rd party, epic stuff people have been using to keep alive the game THEY abandoned, will be useless.
But wait let's all go back to slopping on dat FW cock yumyumyumyumyum.
>>47778364
Were it not for Kor Phaeron and Erebus, they would have remained loyal, and ther heresy would never have happened.
Plus, Lorgar is cool. He just wanted to worship the Emperor like a sensible person.
>>47778176
Mortarion understood how much of a dick the emperor was
>>47778378
You should follow his lead.
>>47778181
HHHUHHH HHHUHHH HHHUHHH
IT BEGINS AGAIN
>>47778378
Zing!
Gave me a chuckle
>>47778410
Fuck Erebus
>>47778401
Just how big is the new stuff?
>>47778410
Emps shouldn't have been so drastic when punishing Lorgar, but also he had the two top dickheads of the setting as personal advisors. Worst of all, he actually listened to them instead of punching their heads off like the Lion, so he's still at fault.
I must remind you: not even 40k marines adore the Emperor, unless your motto is "Pray, Kill, Burn!"
>>47778471
its 8mm instead of 6mm, just as an extra fuck you to anybody who actually played epic
>>47778496
But remember that Kor Phaeron was Lorgar's adopted dad, he was raised by him and everything, which is one of the reasons he listened to him so closely was because he trusted him.
>>47778176
Khan has sweet facial hair.
>>47778496
> I must remind you: not even 40k marines adore the Emperor, unless your motto is "Pray, Kill, Burn!"
I think the word you're looking for is "worship," since any marine in 40k who doesn't adore the Emperor gets pretty swiftly shuffled onto the Excommunicate Traitoris 'to kill' list.
Even then, your point is moot because there are loads of canonical examples of Space Marine chapters worshipping the Emperor as a god. Get stuffed Truthshitters.
>>47778176
He brought order to space-Gotham
>>47778508
That's pretty bad. I don't know what the deal is with everything needing to be bigger. I suspect that Imperator Titans will be Great Dane sized.
>>47778401
I'm more upset over the tanks/infantry being rescaled (if they do them) than the titans. There were already disputes over titan scales, because the originals were smaller than 6mm and the forumware (Imperial/Chaos only) were truescale 6mm.
GW's Epic flyers were underscale too, and FW's weren't. Shrinkign them is actually pretty common in army-scale games (deliberately), so that airplanes look smaller to simulate being high up and very large vehicles/titans don't take up too much space on the board. In Flames of War, planes are 1/144 while everything else is 1/100.
It was also about cost and metal casting abilities back during the early '90s. An old metal Warlord is 2 3/4" tall (70mm) and was originally US$30 ($45 by the end of Epic's run). The new truescale 8mm Warlord will be 6" tall. If it's as tall as an 40k knight, won't it cost just as much?
The game rules will have to be really good for me to give up my old collection and get into the new stuff.
>>47778471
Just enough to where all the old stuff will look and feel DISTINCTLY out of place.
And as they already admitted, they are simply resizing shit on CAD. They know they could make it the same size as the old shit.
This is a money grab and a nice fuck you all wrapped in one.
>>47778670
The answer is 'yes, it will cost as much as a knight now buy three or five for a mid sized game'.
They have tested the waters and mapped every fucking shoal on this. They know they can get people to pay for it, just like they know making the game this size ensures the 3rd party guys can't compete.
I'm sorry I got off in a sperg they new 'Adeptus Titanius' shit still stings
Did anyone get a good game in this weekend?
I played my Ironwing against a buddies 3 land raider Company of the Great Wulf SW.
Had an awesome match, ended in a draw. I was just happy I didn't give him Coven of Death.
>>47778572
Had he done his homework he would have discovered the incongruency of having the Imperial Heralds, THE Iconoclast legion, take advice from a high priest.
Yeah, he was his dad and all, but his duties came first.
>>47778610
Yeah, "worship" is the word.
Alright, I'm back. Dinner was nice, and I'm just glad I can cook more often for the both of us now.
>>47778819
Didn't the entire legion start worshipping the Emperor as fervently as Lorgar and the high priests?
How do you pronounce anathame?
ANN-uh-thame
uh-NAH-thumb-ee
>>47778935
Yes. This was wrong.
>>47778996
I pronounce it "anathame", pretty much like "anathema". Without either "ee" or "hey" sounds.
I saw a rainbow. Should I have mugged the leprechaun for his gold to pay for FW minis?
>>47778780
>I played my Ironwing
They're the tanky DAs right?
>>47779078
I suppose so, but I like it. Sort of like a funny irony there.
>>47778996
>>47779078
Maybe I should be more specific, because in spanish most things are pronounced the same way they're written.
Ana like Anabelle
Tha like in than (which you shouldn't mistake with "then")
Me like "meh".
>>47779114
A waste of mankind's promise :'^(
>>47779233
I wonder what the guy on the right thought when he decided to chose that as his new outfit.
>>47778996
An-mah-thame.
>>47779233
Well, I can't argue that. But I do love their color scheme.
>>47779265
Well, he died when medical aid was suspiciously denied to him. Because he was Terran.
BUUT, Zardu kinda had a similar story, going from a regular Ashen Circle Centurion of ye olde grey livery to a pseudo Diabolist-Chaplain-ML2 Librarian so crimson and so changed his entire chapter had to be concealed prior to Calth.
TL;DR: He felt "enlightened".
>>47779480
I don't think that the Word Bearers discriminated against their Terran brothers. iirc it was only the Death Guard and a couple others.
>>47779499
Not the Word bearers themselves. Lorgar, when purging his legion in the span of a few decades, had almost all the terran stock of the legion killed off.
>>47776764
107 marines per company (100 brothers, 4 command, 1 apoth, 1 chap, 1 capt)
7 marines in 10th (10 serg, 1 chap, 1 capt)
? + 7 marines in 1st (? vets, 4 command, 1 apoth, 1 chap, 1 capt)
that's 870 + ?vets combat marines (also scouts but they dont count as full marines yet).
1 forgemaster + 27 techs (3 per company minus the 10th)
1 chief librarian + 10 librarians (varying ranks)
1 chief apothecary + 1 master of sanctity (others are in company org)
1 chapter master + 10 honor guard
Thats 52 command/staff
So now thats 927 marines. Fill in the rest with veterans, or extra staff.
I believe pilots, drivers, gunners and other full marines in vehicles are supposed to be from the tactical reserve companies.
>>47779291
>mah-
Where the hell are you pulling that m sound from?
Also, what exactly is up with the Chaos backpacks? Where do those vents come from? Is that like, a Dark Mechanicum thing? Aint no mark I've seen.
>>47779848
My mistake. I meant tha instead of the mah.
As for the Chaos backpacks it exhaust ports meant for boarding actions or something of the sort. Had less protective plating from radiation if I remember correctly.
Netlisting faggots give me shit IRL for not rushing my stuff out the door, with comments about how I should just use a base color instead of worrying about details, how nobody notices mold lines or whether you drill barrels anyway, and Forge World is too expensive and a waste of money.
I feel like just doing Word Bearers now and set their shit on fire.
G'day folks. I have regular Deimos Predators, which I wish that I bought special version (with Melta, C-Beamer, Plasma cannon turrets) instead. FW never sell only turrets, and even on eBay tank bits are never listed.
Are there any third-party conversion bits for Deimos turret top? And will people be ok if I ask them "can I treat this lascannon turret as C-beamer/plasma cannon/etc)? I'm a poorfag."
>>47779911
Anon, don't do anything Imortan Vulkan wouldn't do.
>>47779911
Do it. Show them the Primordial Truth that they shall bear.
>>47779999
Tzeentchquads confirms it
You son of Colchis now
I don't want to pin FW's chain axes and all the plastic ones have stupid chaos shit on them.
How buttmad would people be if my Outlanders used chainaxes (they can choose chainsword vs chainaxe by default) but my models only feature chainswords or Pariah bolters with chainbayonets?
>>47779978
Look into recasts, getting spare bits that FW aren't selling is okay in my book
>>47779848
>Aint no mark I've seen.
Nigga plz
I desire an edit of this with armor marks. I need an unbiased soul here who can do this.
>>47780512
Good old Frank.
>>47780643
Ferrus was a Frank above the rest.
>>47780666
Satan, Ferrus was a Super-Frank, if you will.
>>47780715
I'm no Frankologist, Anon. God didn't teach me that before I you know rebelled.
Khârn: The Eightfold Path has to be my favourite short audio drama. I like Angron's roaring. And Khârn's voice.
>>47780742
Well, Satan, it's alright. So long as you know your Franks from the Franks then I guess you're okay. Except for the fact that you're Satan and all, but yeah.
>>47780759
Being the Prince of Lies isn't easy. Most of this site will know when their time comes. Me? I'm going to Giga-Hell.
>>47779786
Good summary. Oddly, the 6th ed. 40k SM codex gives Marneus an honor guard of 27 marines that appear to be separate from the rest. Dreadnoughts are in companies, but sometimes they push the companies over 100. Throw in 100 veterans and we're still under 1100 marines, not including scouts/initiates. I suppose a chapters could have hundreds of those… might explain the old Black Templars codex.
I have trouble picturing their ships being crewed by reserve companies - it'd be so difficult to put the company back together again. Hell, the whole concept of reserve companies implies that each chapter has a real strength of 500. That's ridiculous.
FW multiplying a lot of the old numbers by 10 in the HH books makes so much more sense.
>>47780776
Wait, are you that Giga satan who said his time had passed, and you rolled Satan trips again?
>>47779786
>>47780779
Honor Guard aren't a permanent retinue. They often draw their best from the rest of the chapter.
I think the 1000 per chapter thing basically counts the 10 squads of the 10 companies. All Captains, officers, dedicated retinues (command/honor squads on permanent squad duty), interred marines like Dreadnoughts, specialists like armory staff and techmarines, recclusiam chaplains, librarium librarians, apothecarion apothecaries, fleet staff, pilots, etc, don't count.
So really, if you want to find a loophole like the SoB did, you can just get 900 "normal" marines, have infinite scouts, and just shove all your warriors into non-permanent roles like command squads or non-combat staff to bypass the 1000 limit. But the codex probably also says something stupid like all command squads must be 5-10.
>>47779978
Proxying an easily identifiable weapon as a different one doesn't work very well. Against friends, sure, we can keep track of one or two. But in events it's kinda uncool. I'd rather play against a shoddy homemade conversion beamer than a lascannon that isn't.
>>47780810
INFINITE DREADNOUGHT CHAPTER
>>47780812
This. While your situation is easy to keep track of (my one single Deimos tank is actually a Conversion Beamer to try out its rules okay?) and I'd be fine with it, the point of WYSIWYG is not to be a strict dick, it's for efficiency and ease of accessibility to vital information that should not and cannot be withheld.
It would be safest if you mark the tank somehow to show it's a conversion beamer, such as by buying a ray gun token or flag and placing it on top of the tank.
>>47780791
I think I might be. I'm going to a new Hell, while the rest of you fight amongst yourselves to have my old throne. Giga-Hell's going to have a water park by the time I'm done with it.
>>47780779
Thanks. Yeah, I'm assuming most chapters will deviate from my general list. Like more honor guard, librarians, whatever.
Also, I agree with you about the pilots and stuff. I meant more of small vehicles like probably thunderhawk and down. But it still doesn't make much sense since if you had 10 rhinos for each company, thats already 90+ marines just as dedicated drivers.
I always imagined that dedicated drivers and pilots probably didn't count towards the 1000. Maybe they are not full fledged marines? Like scouts or maybe even normal humans in power armor like sisters of battle or inquisitors that could be failed initiates.
Or the 1000 probably means more of fighting strength as others have mentioned. 90-100 squads of 10 marines plus command and staff.
>>47781037
I think the techies are the pilots. But I have seen one non-techmarine Chaos pilot picture.
>>47780810
I did not know that about the Honor Guard. Would they still wear their company number on their armor while they serve on the honor guard? actually, now that I think about it, it's prbably more like a full squad from the 1st. Also, I agree with you that 1000 men is probably just a rough estimate to show that chapters"shouldnt" have more than 100 squads of 10 men rather than a hard cap of how many marines are allowed in a chapter.
>>47780039
How about using these? I am considering buying these or the chain glaives for my own Blackshields.
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Close-Combat-Weapons/Wargaming-Chain-Axes
>>47781094
It seems like HG are so pimped up that they'd naturally have so much bling their company would be irrelevant, or most likely, many HG will come from 1st Co anyways.
Here's the passage from wiki, which should be accurate as it sounds like the 5E fluff. Note how it says the HG are even better than captains and company champions, guys who don't typically display company numbers due to being too high of a rank to need to and tend to display personal heraldry instead.
Veteran Space Marines with centuries of service and multiple commendations and decorations are sometimes awarded the chance to serve in their Chapter's Honour Guard. Honour Guards are stoic and spiritually solemn individuals when at rest in their Chapter's fortress-monastery, but ferocious and unyielding in battle. Each has received the very highest honours that his Battle-Brothers can bestow, performing deeds the likes of which lesser men can only dream. Indeed, it is said that each member of a a Chapter's Honour Guard has earned more commendations and glories in a lifetime's service than a whole company of Space Marines from any other Chapter, and that each individual has slain more foes than an entire regiment of Imperial Guardsmen. So steeped are the Honour Guard in the art of war that their understanding of tactical and strategic combat commonly outstrips even the experience of the Chapter's company captains.
>>47780839
How do people feel about proxying an entire army? As in, hey I want to play my SM army as a chaos army just to try it out, or my 40k army as a 30k army for today. I would play wysiwyg for weapons and gear but I just can't justify buying an entire new army on my budget when the models are so similar. Especially 40k vs 30k
>>47781178
It's annoying as fuck unless you're doing straight analogues like bolter marines = bolter CSM and lascannon devastators = lascannon havocs.
>>47781191
That's what I meant. More for trying out new rules and armies rather than full on playing them as an army they weren't all the time.
>>47778176
Fulgrim Got Shit Done by killing 2 primarchs, but that's the only positive attribute he has.
>>47781231
RG Bro why haven't you responded to any of my Skype requests
>>47778176
Ferrus was good at making weapons I think.
>>47781269
Oh, sorry, completely forgot about the Skype thing. Uninstalled Skype a couple of weeks ago because the notifications pissed me off. Reinstalling now.
>>47781220
Should be fine. Power armor, base size, and weapons are all clearly identifiable.
It's funny how WYSIWYG matters so much for imperial weapons but for things like Tau and Tyranids, nobody except those players or regular opponents can even identify them. Like, seriously some Tau weapons are just boxes and tubes.
>>47780039
>>47781143
Shit, forgot to add the pic.
So Curzefag, how much do you like the NL Contemptor?
>>47781313
Alright, resent my requests
>>47781459
sexy
>>47781178
What You See is What You Count As
As in try to be consistent.
>>47780756
Have you listened the Lord of the Red Sands?
Is there a way to make Legion Outriders troops? I want to be able to have everyone on motorcycles.
>>47781857
No, I haven't! Thank you
>>47781935
I warmly recommend it, you're welcome. The two audios /almost/ made me collect World Eaters.
There's also the Heart of the Conqueror. And After Desh'ea. Mentioning just in case.
>>47778176
I think hazard stripes are pretty snazzydisreguard my previous misquote
>>47781964
After Desh'ea is so nice. Actually one of the first HH stories I read.
>>47781337
Yeah, get the 3rd party chainaxes. Don't use chainsword models with chainaxe rules.
>>47781909
White Scars rite of war Chogorian Brotherhood (book 6).
>>47781909
>>47782119
And Skyhunter Phalanx (non-specific) and Ravenwing Protocol (DA).
>>47782111
It is even better in audio form.
>>47782119
Hmmm.... White Scars RoW? Dang. I know that there's a legion RoW for Jetbikes, but I was hoping for one that allowed normal bikes, as I was wanting to do a Biker Gang themed WB Black Comets army.
>>47782151
I know about Skyhunter Phalanx, though that makes only Jetbikes troops, not regular bikes.
This is mostly because I like how the regular bikes look, and that jetbikes are ridiculously expensive.
Onager Dunecrawler's Eradication Beamer vs. Contemptor's Conversion Beamer; Which would be more easier to work with to make a Predator Heavy C-Beamer turret?
E-Beamer is a bit off shape, and Contemptor C-Beamer has that elbow joint and bit fat....
>>47782192
Outriders are more of a melee option and jetbikes are shooty, so outriders are definitely a better choice for WB.
Would a Shattered Legion with a WS warlord be able to apply Chogorian Brotherhood to the whole army? Otherwise, use Armored Spearhead and deal with having to take some Predators in addition to the outriders.
>>47779499
Word bearers were the first to kill off their Terran Astartes.
Zone Mortalis 1000pts force, meant to be a foundation for the Ironwing Protocol:
Legiones Astartes(Dark Angels)
Rite of War: Chosen Duty
HQ:
Delegatus w/Terranic GS, AA, Volkite Charger, Refractor field
Moritat w/paired Volkite Serpentas, AA
Troop:
Legion Veterans /10man
- 2x Missile launcher w/Stasis Shells
- 4x Power Weapon
- Sergeant: Calibanite sword, melta bombs
Elite:
Legion Destroyers /10man
- 2x Hand flamers
- Sergeant: Calibanite sword, 2x Phosphex bombs
Heavy support:
Heavy Support Squad /5man
- 5x Heavy flamer
- Sergeant- Artificer armour, melta bombs
Points: 1000/1000
Any suggestions?
I realise I'm on the wrong side of model/unit count and the enemy may win on Chosen Duty/Covenant of Death rules, but I like being on the edge as these are supposed to represent a Dreadwing strike force.
So far my only opponent is a Salamanders player who likes Terminators, we have 2 BaC sets and a Marine tactical squad available.
>>47778176
He gave Angron a lessons, which is another Primarch I hate, and for all the good reasons.
>>47782814
No, he wanted to teach Angron a lesson, but himself learned one or two instead.
>>47783260
Even Lorgar realized Angron was on the wrong side that time when he told him what happened, and that Leman Russ humiliated him.And we all know Lorgar always speak the truth
>>47783503
Angron being wrong doesn't make Russ right.
>>47783503
Russ would have had a point has he won in any way.
>Angron rekt him
>World Eaters inflicted higher losses on the Wolves (and were a larger legion too)
>Even if Angron was gunned down after killing Russ the Wolves need Russ much more than the World Eaters need Angron
>>47782241
Eradication beamer, because it's cheaper. If money isn't a factor, Contemptor conversion beam because it looks better. You'll find a way to make it work.
whats the protocol on painting templar brethren or that black and yellow fist scheme? I am absolute shit at painting and would love to hear some different methods...right now I'm trying to prime black, base shoulders and head with celestra grey, then flash gitz yellow. but yellow is kicking my fucking ass.
>>47783757
how 2 paint yellow
brown
bone
yellow
>>47783757
>>47783783
Notice how anon correctly omits black from the recipe. Sure, you could base black, but it's a huge pain in the dick and totally unnecessary.
Base brown or a mid grey, not black.
Or, you know, you do you. Black's just a really shit base layer to work with I find.
>>47782241
My first feeling is the dunecrawler's gun will be much, much cheaper to get off bitz sites/ebay. And you could mount it sideways.
>>47783783
>>47783849
so which white primer would you recommend? I guess I'll go to the hobby shop tomorrow after work...really don't wanna fuck these fists up and that daemonic yellow primer is thicker and crummier than my ex.
>>47783903
You know what, I recently found an old can of GW Skull White spray, used it on some tanks and it was the best undercoat I've seen in ages. I tend to use Tamiya spray paints as that's what my local hobby store sells but it's not as receptive to thin paint layers as the GW.
Ask /WIP/ but I think popular consensus is Krylon, and Testors. Good value for money, excellent for acrylics.
>>47783935
I appreciate it. I'm so damn disappointed..for some reason I didn't think painting yellow (on black for that matter) could be THAT hard to make tabletop quality. but even with my low standards this dude looks like shit. like so bad I don't even wanna show you guys as a joke.
>>47784015
Dude, don't sweat it, we all started out somewhere and yellow's on the trickier end of the spectrum to do well.
It's a bit of a meme on tg but seriously, thin your paints. 3 thin layers will look 10 times better than one thick one. I really like the yellow foundation paints for the yellow basecoat. Still thin them, but go steady. One or two layers of that, then one or two layers of a brighter yellow on the surfaces that would be more exposed to light and less exposed to dirt and grime - tops of pauldrons, forearms, power packs and helmets.
You could wash the model with a watered-down Agrax Earthshade or whatever it might be called now either after the application of the foundation paint layer, or after you've applied the lighter colour. But unless you're pinpoint with the brown wash, you're going to want to touch up the model with your highlight colour afterwards.
Practice makes perfect man. Find what works for you, be patient.
>>47782620
If you're playing against salamanders, why take heavy flamers? Also is that a special ZM force org chart as I see you've only got 1 troop choice, and if it is I'm pretty sure you can only take RoWs with the regular force org
>>47783553
>AL are so well structured they can easily operate without alpharius
>WE are so poorly structured they can easily operate without angron
>>47782620
I can't fault you for using Destroyers, as they're rad as shit (speaking of, where are the rad 'nades?), but hand flamers probably are't the best choice if your main opposition is Salamanders - use some of that 1st Legion tech and go with Volkites (further stressing that they're the Mortariat's guys) or DA Plasma.
>>47784200
Not that guy, but rad grenades are only available to Ravenwing and Destroyers come with rad grenades
>>47784207
>Destroyers come with rad grenades
Well I'm dumb.
Dreadwing is all the prohibited weapons, right?
I get that they probably won't get a unit like the Ashen Circle, being DA, but man am I hyped to see their weapons and Rite stuff.
Also IIRC they have an hourglass unit badge (like the Deathwing's crossed swords)
>>47784207
And DG with the Reaping.
>>47784333
And their leader has a fuck off big axe he goes around chopping heads with, the absolute madman>next DA rites of war come out
> dreadwing and firewing
>still no deathwing
>>47784347
shit yeah, I was only thinking about DA forgot about morty's boys
>>47784143
>>47784200
I totally forgot about the effect of flamers on Salamanders, although it's not a big deal because I prefer friendly games.
Weren't rites made available for smaller points games since Delegatus got official rules. But yeah, might as well go with more volkite since it's my favourite.
Except there's some fluff constraint in that boltgun is Terran teck while volkite is Martian and, though some Dark Angels definitely had access to it, the legion had majorly Terran roots in tech.
>>47784390
I was more asking why you only have one troop choice when you need two for a regular force org
And if you want you could scrape together 25pts and take Heavy bolters with acid shells on your heavy support squad, which are pretty fun to use and fluffy while you're at it
>>47784416
The one troop choice is because of the Zone Mortalis FOC. If it can't be combined with rites I guess I'm ditching the Vets, but as you suggested, then I can take acid heavy bolters because that'll save me some points.
>>47784333
>hourglass unit badge
So... The future Star Phantoms?
>>47778176
Russ knew the wolf shit was getting out of hand.
>>47784527
So much wolf
>>47784525
eh, maybe, they are secretive, but the late founding date of the Phantoms suggests not.
Probably just a death thing, like the DG use of the symbol
>>47784333
>>47784525
Star Phantoms are rumored to be DA geneseed but the DA refuse to acknolwedge them.
>hourglass symbol
>founders refuse them
>use dangerous and high yield weaponry
>have tons of expensive gear
It's all starting to make sense.
>>47784590
They also have that fetish with excessive firepower, even more so than others.
>Check FW bulletin
>It's literally nothing
Such a disappointing feel.
I listened to After Desh'ea. Very nice. Love Russian Khârn.
Are the audio books available anywhere in non-audio format? I hate listening to books. Someone posted Lord of the Red Sands here a while ago
Solar Auxilia army comes in today. It will be so great.
>>47785167
BL has scripts for some. Search for the title on BL and you might see if it is in an anthology.
Mostly for Lulz, but is also an idea I have for Epic 30k
How useful would this loadout be in normal games, its the coolest looking loadout IMO?
>>47785428
>warlord titan
>normal games
>>47785428
>Lucius head
>Coolest load out
No.
Ave dominus nox, where da beep boops at?
SCREW MORNING SICKNESS!
Anyways, how is everyone? Got any projects to work on, or anything you're waiting on?
>>47785768
I'm afraid it's too hot out here to prime anything, so I've just been playing vidya and posting on here, Mama Anon.
>>47785768
I'm waiting for my doctor to call. Also waiting for more books.
>>47785891
>Also waiting for more books.
We're currently on Book 38th or so with Angels of Caliban.
>>47785768
There's always something to work on but I just got smacked with chronic depression and sleepless nights so I'm stuck in the eternal hell of wanting to do every other legion but the one I'm doing.
>>47785428
>Warlords already have StrD
>Claws dont even give extra attacks
> Not even placing Reaver Titan Blasters on the top of the thing
This is literally the worst load out possible on this thing, the claws should be the Lazercutter combat weapons instead at least. What a waste of such a cool model...
>>47786055
The claws give one extra attack each.
>>47786019
mk6 pls leave
>>47786100
How did you mess up that badly?
>>47786077
yay I'm just slightly worse then an Imperial Knight in combat for 8x the cost...
>>47785891
Turns out my phone was apparently busy. Had to restart it.
>>47779096
Yup.
All the tanks but one poor Vindicator bite the bullet
But that Vindicator did work. Also Dust of untold worlds came into effect (double ones on dangerous. Really?)
>>47786232
>All the tanks but one poor Vindicator bite the bullet
>But that Vindicator did work
The machine spirit wanted revenge for its fallen brethren.
Painting process:
1. Looks like poopy
2. Looks like poopy
3. Looks like poopy
4. Suddenly looks pretty good
Washes are the best thing in the world
>>47786232
>All the tanks but one poor Vindicator bite the bullet
Quick! Pick an advances table and roll on it!
>>47786122
Well, you can at least put a Vulcan mega bolter on the claw now, so it is not entirely useless.
Rolled 5 (1d6)
>>47786351
Let it roll on the Morale Advance table
>>47786396
aaaaaw I wanted rallying cry.
Rolled 6 (1d6)
>>47786396
>>47786407
I think it would have been funnier on the melee advances table.
>>47786380
Good job spending 2800pts just to have the firepower of a Warhound's worst weapons.
>>47785711
>>47783903
You might be able to salvage that primer by putting it in warm water for 15 minutes and shaking it like crazy.
I like Tamiya primers.
>>47785428
If you're playing Epic, you're better off using Reavers as your close combat titans because of their speed. But if you want a CC Warlord, it's ideal to have one close combat arm and one firefight arm (lasburner). And I'd use specialized missiles on the carapace mounts instead of generalized artillery.
>>47785768
Congrats if that means it's confirmed! Second trimester will be much closer to normal, the it'll just get awkward in the third. Then it's the end of sleep but you'll enjoy it (more so after the first couple of months when you can get 3+ hours of sleep at a time instead of 1.5). You'll have time to watch a bunch of shows and read every word in every FW book PDF as you nurse, so get a stand for your phone or tablet. Painting isn't going to happen.
Ours is young enough that I can read him a 40k codex and he's none the wiser. Bright splotches of color...
/HHG, i need some help with my list, so criticism and comments are appreciated. General idea is the Siege breaker with the Tyrants, and Kyr goes with the Havocs, which function as both AA and keeping the backfield clear.
+++ Iron Warriors (2000pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++
+ HQ (335pts) +
Kyr Vhalen (195pts)
····Master of the Legion [The Ironfire]
Legion Centurion (140pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Thunderhammer]
····Consul [Siege Breaker]
+ Troops (425pts) +
Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs]
Legion Tactical Squad (215pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Twin-Linked Bolter]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs]
+ Elites (300pts) +
Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (160pts) [2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot]
Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (140pts) [2x Legion Rapier, Shatter Shell]
+ Heavy Support (940pts) +
Iron Havoc Support Squad (285pts) [6x Iron Havoc, 6x Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles)]
····Iron Havoc Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles)]
Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts)
····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells, Shrapnel Bolts]
····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells, Shrapnel Bolts]
Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (345pts) [5x Tyrant Terminator]
+ Legion +
Legion Astartes [IV: Iron Warriors, Loyalist]
>>47788419
Looks like a standard and strong IW list to me. Go for it.
>>47788419
Wouldn't bother with the medusa phosphex shells personally
and if you can find a way to squeeze heavy bolters onto the rhinos you'd get more utility out of them
>>47784333
I imagine DA Dreadwing would either get wider access to phosphex and rad grenades/missiles and possibly even access to some of the mechanicum rad cleansers
>Destroyers as troops
>Any IC can take rad grenades for 10 points, any squad can take them for 2 points per model
>Any IC can be given up to three phosphex bombs for 10 points each
>Any model with a flamer can replace it with a rad cleanser for 15 points
>Any model with a heavy flamer can replace it with a rad cleanser for 5 points
>Cannot take any champions
>Cannot take any allies
>Must take destroyers as mandatory troops
>Must take an additional mandatory troop choice
>>47783553
Without the mandatory implantation of the nails hey'd have slowly reverted back to the War Hounds through recruitment and replacing losses. Huh.
That would actually make for a pretty cool shattered legion concept.
>>47787895
Hey, thanks!
>Second trimester will be much closer to normal,
Oh, that will be so nice! Confirmed I'm having twins. Last week I rolled on here what legion they'd be before I knew it was twins and it turned out to be Alpha Legion, funnily enough.
Looks like I'll need to grab some books to keep me occupied then, oh boy.
>Ours is young enough that I can read him a 40k codex and he's none the wiser. Bright splotches of color...
Aww, that's so adorable! I want to be able to get them into /tg/ stuff when they're old enough.
>>47789916
>Last week I rolled on here what legion they'd be before I knew it was twins and it turned out to be Alpha Legion, funnily enough.
I remember that. I found that funny.
So, what's the general consensus on Blackshields? I want to build an army, but I can't decide between Orphans of War, which look like the most useful (good morale and pseudo PE make them reliable) , or Outlanders /w the Nemean Reaver so I can have a non-shit HQ (the deepstriking looks rather dangerous, but helps counteract the no pods thing, and while deathlocks are meh, the rad grenade option is sweet).
What are your thoughts?
>>47790164
You don't need AP 2 at initiative in order to have a non-shit HQ. Paragon blades aren't decisive weapons since they only wound marines on a 3+ and have a low chance of killing ICs in one phase while fists and hammers cause instant death to marines. Put simply paragon blades are only useful if you want to cut through units of terminators without dying 1v1 involving independent characters it isn't particularly useful.
I personally run my blackshields as +1 S/T chymeriae use lots of bikes for glorious T6 and make heavy use of power axes and power fists since the former are S 6 and the latter can ID biker praetors. Damn shame blackshields have no access to WS 5 units, otherwise I would field the +1 WS/BS chymeria for tons of WS 6 super soldiers.
>>47790164
Breachers with death seekers creates budget Iron Hand immortals.
Bretty gud
>>47790274
All of my yes.
>>47782814
I just read this and it makes no fucking sense
a few bolters wouldn't kill fucking Angron, he would murder those marines in seconds not to mention that if he killed Russ first those Space Wolves would have an even harder time, the death of a primarch always has a strong negative effect on the whole legion
Angron is right and Russ just lost, ADB tried to tell some moral but it just doesn't work with both the WE and Angron winning the battle, if one of those was loosing yeah it makes sensebut that's get in the way of his Angron and WE wank
I just played my first ever zone mortalis match. Was my opponent a massive piece of shit or I was just unlucky?
I had a SoH delegatus with some regular cataphractii terminators and one veteran unit.
He had a Blood Angels moritat, a delegatus, and a whole blob of cataphractii.
His moritat used a relic that let him phase through walls right up to my terminators and he basically flamed most of them off except for the delegatus.
Then my delegatus joined with the vets, and challenged his delegatus who had the blade of perdition. So he got a whole pile of wounds on me and he said that they spill over into my squad. Like for every hit of the fucking blade he choked down multiple vets.
What the bloody fuck?
>>47790405
He was a colossal dick, especially if he actually used the infinite hits moritat hand flamer bullshit. If someone did that moritat thing on me I would have just picked up my shit and left the game.
>>47790252
I just don't see the -2 ld ever being worth taking option 2 chymeriae. Even the -1 init and charge/run makes me skeptical of option 1, but I admit I never thought of running then as bikers. Are they effective?
My problem with Reaver Lords is how expensive they are. I guess the bike/jet bike option is nice, but overall he's just plain worse than a pastor.
>>47790274
I just don't get fnp 6+. It's so unreliable, I just don't see the point.
>>47790405
>OP Sword of double wounding
>Exploit Moritat with the relic specifically designed for ZM
What do you think?
Wounds do spill onto the unit, though.
>>47790590
>>47790405
Worth noting that Deathfire doesn't explode into killing multiple models per swing. Every Wound counts for 2 and so it's really good for pulling down characters. However it triggers on Wounds and not Hits, so essentially you're inflicting 2 wounds to every Veteran, with overkill rather than splash wounds.
>>47790479
>Are they effective?
It takes like 40 BS 4 bolter shots to bring down a single T6 biker with FnP. The fact that they are S 5 and have access to power axes (and since they are slower they don't lose much by taking them) which make them str 6 they can tear through marines very effectively.
I often make them into a pretty lethal death star
>Reaver lord with artificer armour, power fist, lightning claw, iron halo, cyber familiar, digital lasers, and bike
>Primus medicae with bike and power fist
>Centurion with bike and power fist
>10 bikes, sergeant gets a fist, three of them get axes
On the charge my unit gets 18 str 10 AP 2 attacks, 9 str 6 AP 2 attacks, and 18 str 5 attacks. Plus my reaver lord is tough as nails T 6 2+/3++ with 7 str 10 AP 2 attacks on the charge. Enemy pours fire onto the unit but they almost always get their FnP since even str 10 doesn't ID them and when they finally close with the enemy they rip them apart. Also stacks hilariously with the void shield harness.
As for the +1 WS/BS it doesn't look good but the idea of fielding tons of WS 6 marines simply sounds glorious.
>>47782151
Where are you finding After Desh'ea as an audiobook? Can't seem to find it anywhere, and can't find Lord of the Red Sands either...
>>47790461
>>47790590
>>47790654
OK that's good to know. I don't have book 4 and never looked too much into the relics, the most recent thing I remember is that the FAQ made them optional with the opponent's permission rather than a free for all grab bag.
And yeah my question about the spillover is about him killing two veterans per hit. He was multiplying his wounds based on successful hits, e.g. "I hit you three times, that's six to wounds, and now that's six dead veterans".
>>47789916
Twins? Well, at least Alpharius shortens to Alfie. Not sure how you make Omegon sound normal! 'Omie?
>>47790405
The whole point of ZM is the heavy terrain. Being able to phase through is, almost by definition, game-breaking. That's why relics now require your opponent's permission to be taken (they do, right?). They make for a good story, but an imbalanced game.
>>47790686
What do you run for troops?
It's too bad you can't attach apothecaries to Marauder squads. Massed T5 w/ fnp would be nasty.
>>47786239
S 10 Ordnance is good for penetrating armor. And a blob of Blood Claws.
>>47790780
Best thing to do with relics is have a flexible 40 points across your army and if you know someone is bringing a cheese relic buy your HQ the nanite blaster. Fight fire with grey goo, of course you could both be reasonable and recognise that, while some legions relics are better than others, the general relics are pretty much all op in some way.
>>47790711
After Desh'ea is in Tales of Heresy. KAT has it. Not sure about the other one. Have you checked BL to see which anthology it is in, and if there is an audio version?
>>47790795
Small squads of ten marauders with a couple power axes, a power fist, and sometimes heavy chainswords for everyone else. A T5 unit with lots of Str 6 attacks is generally scary enough that opponents tend to avoid them or only charge them with dedicated melee units.
Generally my goal is to send my bikers down the middle drawing fire and charging high value targets, marauders move up the table and capture objectives, charging anything that gets in their way (8 str 6 power axe and 4 str 10 power fist attacks on the charge kill 5 or 6 marines on average). Besides that I tend to run a couple smaller bike squadrons to pick off anything too small for my death star to be bothered with (squad of six still has two str 6 axes and a str 10 fist). Main problems with the list are that I have no ranged anti-tank (although the fists tend to kill tanks fairly well and I sacrifice some stuff for meltabombs on the bikes if I know I am facing tough vehicles) and literally no means of dealing with flyers so I just ignore them and tank whatever they shoot at me.
>>47791176
Well, shit. I came here to trey and get advice on choosing between two options, but now you're making me consider a third option.
Thank you for the help; you've given me a lot to think about.
>>47791176
Also I have a question. There's nothing preventing you from taking multiple reavers, no 1 per 1k like praetors right? If so I may start running a just for fun list that consists of three reavers each leading a tiny bike squadron with just three or six dudes. Each reaver can butcher most praetor builds (T 6, 3++ means even sigismund barely kills them on average before they get to hit and a 7 attack praetor charging them with a paragon blade inflicts like 0.36 unsaved wounds on average) and will have a small entourage that can help damage whatever they charge before they die.
>>47791299
The 1 per 1000pts is for models with Master of the Legion specifically. I don't have book 6, but if Reavers don't have MotL, you can take more than one and any points level.
>>47790791
Yeah, I'm not sure either! Well, I'll have all the time in the world to think and discuss names.
>>47791427
you name them Alpharius and Omegon as their second name.
>>47791452
Funny to say, but they'd probably grow up resenting it. I know a guy who hates Star Trek becausehis patents named him Wesley.
Leave the primarch names for nicknames.
>>47791360
Neat. Isn't going to be a good build but it will be fun as hell. Might decide to keep the single death star but with three of the super reavers (21 WS6 S10 AP 2 attacks on the charge plus a squad of bikers)
>>47791452
I'd probably just keep that as a little in-joke for my husband and I.
>>47791500
>Wesley
That sounds like a normal enough name to me, honestly.
>>47791534
But he's named for Wesley Crusher.
>>47791557
Oh. I honestly forgot about him.
If you ignore that little bit though, it does sound like a normal name.
