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>>47726111
You can TWF with Pistol Dagger shooting on your otherhand.
>>47726215
>What's your favorite monster?
Same as every time it's asked.
>>47726241
Savage Technologist
1) PBS,Precise shot
3) Rapid Shot
5) Deadly Aim
7) Cluster shot
Shadowshooting. No need to gimp yourself with multiclass and extra feat tax.
>>47726111
Read Savage Technologist again.
> At 2nd level, when a raging savage technologist wields a one-handed firearm in one hand and a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other, she can make ranged attacks with the firearm without provoking attacks of opportunity.
You don't have to attack with the other hand. You just need to wield it. You can even just wear spiked gauntlet on your offhand and forget about having it.
Small reminder-that-is-arguably-shilling-depending-on-some-salty-anons that the PoW:E pdf updated with bookmarks so if you bought it before you can download the new version now.
> Augunas gets on Facebook to brag about this low Wisdom hunter he's about to pay.
> MFW there is no face to describe how sick I am of this shit.
Fucking WHY? Who the fuck in Paizo's office is passing around the hypnosis porn while jacking the writers off? The fuck is their obsession with making shit characters and then bragging about it?
If Augunas comes back from this bitching that hunter is shit the way he bitched about bard after making a retarded gimped multiclass build, I'm gonna mail him a metric ton of Swiper plushies with instructions on how to make them into fuck dolls, I swear to God.
>>47726283
Shadowshooting seems terrible though? Enemy makes a will save or takes minimal damage? How is that remotely a good thing?
I just don't see this being playable. I'm not starting at level 7, I'm starting at level 1.
Gunslinger 1
Warpriest 2
Savage Tech 5
Warpriest X
I don't get dex to damage here until level 8, that's terrible. Maybe I could just do a 2 level dip into Savage Tech, but I'm still going to want to pick up Snap shot/Improved Snap Shot later for the threatening, plus without the bonus feats I'm extra starved.
Savage Tech just doesn't offer enough.
>>47726423
Update: he got hit by a Will spell and is bitching that he failed his save.
>>47726423
>>47726486
I have no idea who this idiot is, but as Hunter is my favorite class, I want to slap him.
>>47726283
so does shadowshooting still allow multiple hits and the static damage on a failed save? is it just the die that's minimized? what happens if you crit but they fail the save?
So /pfg/, let's say you somehow gained access to a gigantic source of Positive Energy. Is there a way to use that offensively, such as charging a weapon/absorbing it into a weapon?
>>47726517
It's just the weapon die that gets minimized, so something like Flaming wouldn't get minimized afaik.
>>47726515
He's the furry fuckboy that does Kitsune in every single fucking supplement. He's also co-writing a psionics to psychic magic conversion with Owen Stephens while both pretend it's not a potshot at DSP.
TL;DR furry traitor retard.
>>47726548
does it interact with misfire chance at all?
>>47726674
Probably not.
What's a good stealth/sneak attack build that doesn't include Rogue? Not necessarily using the literal sneak attack feature, if that's not possible, and preferably something with magic.
>>47726423
I assume they fall for the storm-wind fallacy, HARD.
>>47724465
Hey, I'm the anon that helped you earlier.
I'd modify your build as follows:
1 Gunslinger 1 - PBS, Precise Shot
2 Warpriest 1
3 Fighter 1 - Weapon Finesse, Greater Weapon Finesse
4 Warpriest 2
5 Warpriest 3 - Rapid Shot, Deadly Aim
6 Warpriest 4
7 Warpriest 5 - Rapid Reload
8 Warpriest 6 - Clustered Shots
Dex to Damage is more important than anything else. This build grabs it ASAP, and maximizes your Warpriest levels. You get Clustered Shots 1 level later, but overall this build is wayyyy stronger
GUNSLINGER ANON LOOKING FOR AMMO-FREE OPTIONS, I don't know why last thread was so terrible to you.
The two free ammunition DSP options are the Hashasheen Gunslinger (Akashic Mysteries) and the Gunsmoke Mystic (Path of War: Expanded). The Gunsmoke Mystic is probably the strongest firearms class in the game by a fair margin; the Hashasheen Gunslinger is just a better gunslinger, but if you're using veilweaving in the first place you might as well be a Hand Cannon vizier or something.
>>47726852
The Spheres Armorist (which isn't actually good) and Warsoul's Discipline Weapon Shapes are also immune to ammunition.
Hand Cannons are actually pretty subpar; they can do okay, absolutely, but if you put that much "build" into a veilweaver (it won't even be +5 until Vizier 18 or so, and that's with a +3 item!) you'd get way more power out of just using those same veils and essence to buff a regular weapon.
>>47726802
I preferred picking up Fervor and Deadly Aim both at level 3, but getting dex to damage is probably more important.
>>47726791
Stalker? There's very few classes that actually get sneak attack, so you're kind of limited in your options there.
>>47726911
It's better to delay Fervor by a level, than Dex to Damage by 2 levels.
Besides, adding Dex is gonna deal more damage than Deadly Aim will, and it doesn't penalize your rolls.
>>47726930
Hmm, fair enough. Maybe a stealthy caster, then? Is Spellthief any good?
Don't mind me.
>>47727249
Just posting some spells.
>>47727262
Maybe save the pictures if you see something you like.
>>47727283
Side note: I like that guy's costume.
>>47727303
All I needed to do.
So the Guide to Races is outdated.
What's the thoughts on the Dwarf's Siege Survivor trait?
Siege Survivor: Dwarves who make their homes in the Sky Citadels are trained to outlast sieges and serve as vigilant guards. They gain Endurance as a bonus feat. In addition, during rounds in which they have not moved, they gain a +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against foes who also did not move since their last turn. This racial trait replaces greed, hardy, and hatred.
is double readied action legal
>>47727377
No. you can only ready a single action unless you have an ability that allows you to make multiple readies actions.
>>47727377
YEAH boy overwatch style
Does anyone have a screenshot of the Unhindered Shield Feat?
>>47727503
Can you ready readying an action?
>>47727630
No.
>>47726852
its expensive but there is the Pistol of the Infinite Sky, doesn't require ammo or reloading. Just a matter of having a functioning build before you can afford it.
>>47727610
OW Style would be great if there were actual combos for using the projectiles to meaningfully lock down people.
>>47726791
Baleful shadow beguiler
>>47726939
>>47726802
You do realize gunslinger gets dex to damage at level 5 correct?
>>47727262
>create pit
>now it moves
oh god
>>47727283
>level 1 spell to hide a spellbook in the ethereal plane
that's great for hiding a backup book
sasuga paizuri
>>47727900
Guns Everywhere makes Gunslinger get it at level 1, but they give up Gunsmithing.
>>47727974
Guns everywhere is a campaign setting not a class setting.
>>47727984
>Guns Everywhere: Guns are commonplace. Early firearms are seen as antiques, and advanced firearms are widespread. Firearms are simple weapons, and early firearms, advanced guns, and their ammunition are bought or crafted for 10% of the cost listed in this chapter. The Gunslinger loses the gunsmith class feature and instead gains the gun training class feature at 1st level.
Uh huh.
>>47727900
Mhm, and it sucks.
Getting Dex to Damage sooner is better.
>>47727998
I mean, that's dependent on the campaign, they're not wrong.
>>47727345
Eh, hardy is a damn good trait, imo more than worth compared to Endurance. I guess it is okay if you want Endurance as a prerequisite for other stuff, but overall... meh.
>>47727998
Okay you roll upto a game with your guns everywhere archtype built gunslinger and see how that goes.
>>47728009
It depends on why are you even taking one level of gunslinger?
There are other ways to get the prof, and not a whole lot gunslinger gives you, even the 90% cost reduction on ammo doesn't really seem worth it when you can feat into it.
>>47726215
Is a blood hag too challenging for a party of 6 level 3 characters?
I'm running a kingdom building game with a twist - the setting is a major city in a rival country that has collapsed due to a surge of negative energy killing most of the population and tainting the land with undead. The PCs are heroes who are friends of an NPC prince who seeks to carve a new city in the ruins, and the main antagonist is a lich doing the same at the other end of the city with his loyal band.
I know it's cliche, but I want to make a mirror evil party, and I need ideas.
Big good prince is obviously opposed by the lich.
Our shaman is seeking to integrate society and nature together in this new city, so I'm not sure how to oppose him without going Captain Planet.
The tinker dwarf is opposed by a friendly artificer golemmancer who I hope will earn her sympathy and pity, so it'll suck when he has to die.
Paladin of the God of secrets is opposed by cowardly blackguard who will be an early reoccurring villain (I want a guy who just doesn't die, to fuel his anger)
I have no clue what villain to give the severist (a 3rd party class, anime hero who cuts magic apart) or the dual shield fighter.
>>47728264
Yes.
>>47728278
What would be an appropriate replacement? Looking for some kind of "evil crone", and I don't know how encounter balance or making NPCs works.
what would a good feat for the Promethean alchemist's homunculus companion to take? I am planning on using him for mostly a stealthy support companion. However he is very limited in skill points and has relatively poor stats so I don't know how good a replacement rogue he would make. suggestions for other builds welcome. (all 3pp allowed within reason)
>>47728115
Gunslinger gets me proficiency, a free gun, Gunsmithing, and Quick Clear.
I can't see any other class competing with that.
Also keep in mind this is primarily a Warpriest a build. So ideally the more Warpriest levels I have, the better.
>>47728298
How about a level 4-5 witch with some minions?
>>47728298
Try an ash, sand, sea or flue hag(s).
>>47728303
You can get Eldritch Archer Magus for prof, Quick Clear is not that important, And Gunsmithing is a feat you can take at level 1, and then with a second level dip you can get off one additional attack when you full round attack.
>>47728353
>eldritch archer magus gets gun proficiency
shit, does it really?
>>47728353
Where does Eldritch Archer give firearm proficiency? I'm not seeing it.
If I'm starting with a Revolver, then yea, Quick Clear is less important, that is true. Gunsmithing seems like a bigger deal though, and that's gonna push the whole feat train down later than I want.
>>47728488
Well... technically by RAW? No. But it can get an advanced or even modern or tech weapon for free because of the way Arcane Bond works.
>>47728488
>>47728510
The part where you get a bound item as per wizard
That gives you prof with it.
>>47728488
In settings with Guns Commonplace or Guns Everywhere, firearms can either be Martial or Simple respectively, so a Magus would have proficiency. And..
>>47728519
Well now that's just silly. Damn casters getting good guns right out the gate.
>>47728536
>>47728510
>>47728519
Arcane Bond gets you a gun for free, but it doesn't give proficiency
>>47728536
I'm not seeing where it gives proficiency in the Arcane Bond section in Wizard either.
>>47726486
Update: 12 Wisdom on a Wisdom caster. Literally the Wisdom version of SKRs playtest wizard from 3.0
>>47726405
Does it have updated text for certain things, or is it just the bookbark?
>>47726852
Any Path of War class with that one Solar Wind stance can ignore ammo... it does lock you in, unfortunately.
>>47728541
Sadly this is an Emerging Guns setting, so Magus is sadly out. Definitely had potential with the arcane bond bonuses.
>>47728665
Well, you could just take the Heirloom Weapon Trait and get proficiency with your bond through that.
>>47728715
Already hurting pretty badly with traits, since I've got a mandatory campaign trait, fate's favored, magical knack, and a drawback to fit all that in.
What should a campaign where all PCs are black blade users be about?
>>47728764
An enemy within their order is a classic.
Okay, I got some further feedback on Spherelock last thread, and it makes me super happy.
>>47723072
>>47723370
>>47723724
Okay so.
>Not a truly enchantable weapon
There is the Destructive Focus weapon quality in the Destruction Handbook. At the start of your turn, you can choose if its enhancement bonus applies to the weapon, or your destructive blasts, like how Guardian and Defending work.
>Most require a spell point or make it elemental
This is true, although most make things elemental as opposed to needing a spell point. I think the only Type that needs a spell point in the base book is Force, and then there's like, Disintegrate and Radiation Blast in the handbook...
There is Stone Blast, which entirely skips past SR, and Crafted Blast to bump up your damage when you don't need or want an element/rider and don't need to tangle with SR. There also exists the Intensifying Gloves, which reduce a given energy resistance by 5, or 10 for the greater version.
>Saves on a Mid-Caster
The Focused Blast Type Group feat gives you +5 CL (Not to exceed HD) with one blast type group, effectively making you a fullcaster for that type. And while it and staves won't bump the damage, they still bump save DCs
As-is, I'm not 100% happy with Elemental Focus. Trying to think of something nice to give it instead of just the extra talent, since that's a little boring.
Did I miss anything?
>>47728326
>>47728321
Alright, so I'm thinking of having the players face off against a hag coven in three separate encounters (there will be healing items looted along the way).
The first would be four shrine-blessed skellies benefiting from desecration, two burning skellies, and a flue hag.
The second would be an ash hag, a medium fire elemental, a human cultist (NPC), and two savage mercenary (NPCs).
The final encounter would be an annis hag, an ogrekin, and a dhampir.
Is this reasonable for a party of 6-7 level 3 characters?
What kind of loot would you expect to get for clearing this? I'm thinking some neat slotless magical items, a couple of wands, and a +1 weapon of some kind (maybe with a special quality on top of the enhancement bonus) at the end.
>>47728587
It has some corrected text, but no huge changes.
>>47726215
It needs a piece of toast in its mouth
As a general rule do not listen to the advice of anyone who looks like a crow or a raven pretending to be a human.
>>47728353
>Quick Clear is not that important
U fkin wot m69?
Quick Clear is insanely important for Gunslingers. If you misfire once your gun is broken and misfire rating increases by 4. Misfire again, and your gun is useless until you spend hour(s) fixing it.
>>47729021
Only druids and rangers bother with knowledge (nature) though, and as a rule kings disregard the words of rangers and druids.
>>47729051
Spells get around it lickity split.
>>47729051
I assumed this was meant in reference to the fact I'd be using a revolver, which advanced firearms like that when broken, can't actually explode or permanently break, they just remain stuck at the broken condition with -2/-2.
>>47729081
Mending still takes 10 minutes to cast. If you break in combat you're fucked.
>>47729081
There aren't spells which let you ignore misfires....
>>47729137
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/fireball
>>47729126
>>47729137
Jury-rig in combat, mending outside
>>47729171
Technically if you miss your fireball you could cause destruction to the surrounding area, which is like a misfire.
>>47729193
>jury-rig
Explain?
>>47727890
Google is failing me. Could I get a link to Beguiler? I'm not familiar with how it works.
>>47729213
Jury rig is a standard action 1st level spell that removes the broken condition for rounds/level. The object can still be damages, but since misfires dont do damage there's nothing to worry about.
>>47727262
Yo where the fuck is that bear trap spell thing?
What happens with you cast Light / Darkness / any other object-targeted radius spell on a long object (or an object that can be make long), such as a rope?
>>47728910
Depends on the makeup. The last bit may be quite tricky as the annis is CR 6, so she may be a handful for anyone she focuses. What levels do the ogrekin and dhampir have?
I would say it should be doable with decent PCs, but I can see some casualties.
Do you think D&D 5 was harmful to Paizos finances?
>>47729871
Wouldn't any ttrpg that gains ground be harmful to other ttrpgs?
>>47729871
I have not read any report, but I would expect so.4E was probably the best thing to happen to Paizo.
>>47730113
4e came out before Pathfinder. It was the catalyst for it.
>>47730148
Ironic as it is the better system.
From Mithral Current description:
> A weapon is considered sheathed if it is in a non-threatening position, such as a monk putting their hands at their sides or in their pockets
Does it still cost a fucking move action to put your hands at your sides?
How do I charge without provoking AoO's?
>>47730468
Don't pass through threatened squares when you charge.
>>47730495
Even if the enemy has 40ft reach?
>>47730500
Yes. If you don't pass within 40 feet of a creature with 40 ft reach, it can't take attacks of opportunity against you.
>>47730468
Have more reach than the thing you are charging. Or cast a spell like Litany of Sloth, or Grace.
>>47730647
It's pretty hard to get 45ft reach on an Aegis. As are other options.
That's a bummer.
>>47730667
ACTUALLY what you can do is combine increased reach with the Loyal Paladin's Spear of Light veil (which you can do as aegis).
you probably won't get 45 feet though.
Have you considered heavy machineguns to reach out and touch faith?
>>47729863
The ogrekin is a fighter 2 and dhampir is fighter 1. They're just the premade NPC statblocks you can find on the PFSRD site.
Party comp is a fighter, sorcerer, paladin, cavalier (who will not have access to his horse here), inquisitor (who is built nearly useless for combat), cleric, and rogue.
I'm considering adding another player to the game, which would be a party of 8 facing off against this instead of 7.
>>47730693
Nvm, I took Hustle+Dimension Slide through Harness Power Stone.
Why we play this game? ._.
>>47730770
Why does every fucking general I've ever seen ask this question every day? This even transcends boards, being equally common on /vg/.
>>47730770
>>47730782
Because the game is a driveling mess and you're all a bunch of blithering fucks
>>47730148
Yes, I meant Paizo as in the company. Wizards abandoning 3.x and going full bore for 4th allowed them to become pretty big via Pathfinder.
>>47730742
Add more mooks.
>>47730808
I think you replied to the wrong person, anon.
I wasn't even talking about pathfinder specifically.
>>47729225
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6bKY5cuGjh9VFA1OF8xVmtqWjA/edit
>>47730852
Eh, I'm not really a fan of combats where there's a fuckload of enemy turns. The first two fights already have a bunch of mooks, I want the last one to be something of a boss battle, as well. I could swap out the ogrekin for some more skeletons or something, but I feel like the players will be sick of them at that point.
Can creatures without legs take the Run action, and by extension, the Run feat?
We need 2hu back
>>47731046
She never left.
>>47730402
Yes. Because the rules are retarded.
Is 16/14/14/10/16/6 decent for an inquisitor after racial mods/stat increase at lvl 7?
Not as half-orc, as Oni or base Tiefling.Looking at them half orcs make retardedly good inquisitors though, damn.
>>47731284
Yeah that looks completely fine. Half-Orc quisitors are amazing I agree. No one couldidentify a monsterlike my last one.
>>47731084
Wait, what
She?
What's a good class for pic related? I'm thinking hunter
>>47731349
Pack Lord Druid
>>47731332
You heard me.
>>47726265
Mah crow.
What adventure paths feature Hell knights?
>>47726481
>Shadowshooting seems terrible though? Enemy makes a will save or takes minimal damage? How is that remotely a good thing?
Saves you on ammo costs, and opening up dual-wielding increases your overall damage much more than a -2 or so you take if they save.
• Name: Rhyfe
• Role(s): Mercenary, Fixer, Witcher(esque)
• Goals: Support his family by making the most money possible
• Traits: Unloyal, Money-focused, Buyable, Unfunny, Straight Man, Cold Shell/Warm Heart, Basically Mike Ehrmantraut
• Flaws: See Traits
• Allies: Family, Hirers, Job Associates
• Enemies: Anyone he's paid to kill, anyone who he's betrayed
• Other Relations: Mother, Older Brother and Younger Sister
• Physical Description: 6'1" tanned man, short wild brown hair with a scraggly beard. Very muscular, but very hairy and not very pleasant to look at.
Is my character any good?
>>47732475
Curse of the Crimson Throne has them mostly in book 1, Hell's Rebels, Hell's Vengeance seem to have them all over
>>47732557
>Rhyfe
Use behindthename and get yourself something that doesn't sound like a player who mains Reaper.
>unloyal
Disloyal.
>Hirers
Employers.
You character sounds pretty shallow and boring to me.
>>47732499
>dual wielding
That is an interesting idea... without reloading there's no worries about dual wielding or jumping through hoops to reload the guns.
Still dislike that will save...
>>47732610
You sound like a fun-hating dick
>>47732649
I'm just giving you honest feedback. Your character is a dime-a-dozen. The gritty, greedy fighter type is one of the most common, and one of the least interesting.
>>47731396
proof? Was this actually confirmed or do is this a meme?
>>47732688
Literally anything is played out as fuck, I learned that breaking the mold doesn't work anyway
>>47732701
If you think you learned that, then you're not having fun with character creation.
>>47732724
People don't accept genderbent fighters trying to get their dick back into their games
>>47732742
oh fuck you're that guy, that's great
how do you get your ideas, kek
>>47732701
>Literally anything is played out as fuck
Well yeah, when all you've got is a ten word description to go with your [CLASS/RACE/ALIGNMENT] personality.
Come up with the concept and what that person is actually like instead of falling back on ridiculous oversimplified categories and stereotypes.
>>47732557
This is the blandest thing I have ever seen.
>>47730958
You can "run" while flying or swimming. IF that's what you're talking about.
>>47727262
>Roaming pit is level 5-6
I would have thought it would be 3 or 4.
I guess they thought "well create pit is super strong so this will be way stronger!" but what makes create pit strong is how early you get it, because lots of creatures don't have any ways of getting out of it like flight, teleportation, climbing etc etc. I wonder if PF devs even know what makes a spell strong.
>>47732834
>I wonder if PF devs even know what makes a spell strong.
Nope.
>>47729626
I think that's supposed to be the Spell Trapper.
What archetypes were in the magic tactics toolbox and armor masters handbook?
Anything good? Anything neat but probably not so good? Any armored wizards in either?
>>47732834
teleportation doesn't get you out of a create pit, it's an extradimensional space, not an actual pit.
paizo devs are fucking retarded, though
>>47732955
Supposedly there's a new magus archetype associated with Jatembe, but I haven't seen anyone post a screencap.
>>47732955
>>47733018
Here's the Armored BattlemageIt's bad
>>47733018
You might be thinking of the one from Inner Sea Intrigue
How can I make an elf thats a screaming naked murderfest.
>>47733015
What are you on about? Yes its extradimensional but why would that stop teleportation? You can still see out the top of it, the extradimensional space is still connected to normal space there's no reason you wouldn't be able to teleport out of it.
>>47733083
barbarian
>>47733068
Oh fuck inner sea intrigue is out? Anything good in that I've missed?
Does this mean the Hellknight book is out too?
>>47733183
Will have shit AC
we're talking NEKKID, none of this half ass loincloth bullshit
>>47732557
>• Enemies: Anyone he's paid to kill, anyone who he's betrayed
So betraying him is cool so long as he does not betray you.
>Is my character any good
Any neutral or evil I would say.
>>47733202
There is an entire barbarian archetype literally devoted to being naked
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/savage-barbarian
>>47733202
Kensai Magus. Dex and Int to AC, magic, can only wear certain armor through technicalities anyway.
>>47733049
That's interesting. You're right, I wouldn't ever take it, though.
>>47733068
That's it. That's...weirdly focused. I like the mask idea, but the class as a whole seems built around stopping NPC divination even though that's essentially not an issue for PCs.
>>47733049
It's focused on armor of course it is bad
>>47733102
teleportation, a la Teleport, can't cross planar boundries, which the pit is, as it's an extradimensional space. You can't teleport in/out of it any more than you can port into/out of a Rope Trick, or a Magnificent Mansion.
How do we fix the classes so none of them are trap options? Or is that an impossible task?
>>47733282
You make an entirely new game.
trap options are inherent in the way this system works due to the mentality of some of the original designers and the fact that they didn't understand what equated to effectivness and efficiency in their own system.
>>47733282
What classes are trap options anymore, besides the caviler and the slinger?
>>47733282
>>47733319
But they can designed or modified to give less of a detriment
Some Paizo and 3pp classes showed us that
>>47733272
I'm calling bullshit, extradimensional spaces are not extraplanar, they simply warp the concept of physical space on the plane they are located in.
Where are you getting this?
Hey /tg/ lets laugh at what people think are reasonable house rules http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tpw0?Your-house-rules
>>47733272
>>47733364
Reading Rope Trick that gives a specific line about spells not working unless they can cross planes, but that has nothing to do with extradimensional spaces in general.
>>47733083
step 1: start with an elf
step 2: you're done
>>47733194
Inner Sea Intrigue was last month, Hellknights is this month.
>>47733324
Two weapon fighter, most crossbow builds, gunslinger, chained monk and rogue, sword and board.
>>47733388
Was it all shit or is there something good in there?
Man i cant keep up with any of this shit. Apparently steelforge book 1 is out? Does this mean DSP has released thirty new playtests for books that will come out in ten years time?
>>47733388
Speaking about which, shouldn't that ShareAnon be coming around any day now to share some pics of the new books?
>>47733083
>>47733231
Since elf is on the table, the Spell Dancer magus archetype is another option. Medium and heavy armor usage is replaced by a substantial insight bonus to AC (+4 at level 13). You also get extra dodge bonuses to AC against movement AoOs while your spell dance is up.
>>47730870
Thanks, friendo
>>47733419
Steelforge 1 looks like someone at DSP hates the idea of crossbows being useless. First thing in the book is an item for them that is crazy powerful. Might be enough to make them usable
>>47733419
>chained monk and rogue
Solved by unchained.
>crossbow builds
Not really. Crossbows are actually downright nasty on a bolt ace build.
>gunslinger
Thats because guns are awful more than anything
>sword and board
Has a problem in that AC tanking is rather shit and is more suited for a very selfish, solo character than a party in most cases.
>two weapon fighters
Nah its fine nowdays, easily fits into t4 with a good build.
>>47733498
I think they mean make them actually t3 and above
>>47732828
Can a Merfolk run to move at a reasonable speed on land?
>>47733626
Yep.
>>47733613
why t3
t4 is fine
>>47733634
Cool. Are there any creatures with land speeds that wouldn't be able to?
Theoretically, if I had a Flail Snail that really needed to get away from something, would it be able to run to circumvent its 10 ft move speed?
>>47733664
Because t3 is better
And some archetypes are downright atrocious
>>47733692
... no shit?
t4 is fully playable though
>>47733669
Not unless the race says they can't run. And a snail "running" 40ft isn't really gonna escape anything.
>>47733710
It can escape Merfolk
>>47733492
Care to expand on that feedback?
>>47733664
When there's t1 and t2 classes existing?
>>47733723
Not if it's a Strongtail.
>>47733789
Really it just shows the need to ideally keep your players within one tier of each other
>>47733705
>not wanting things to be better
>>47733453
If he doesn't, then hopefully some kind subscriber anon will since it's coming up on that time.
>>47733733
Not a bad thing, other than DSP Crossbow characters possibly going crazy. Maybe Minotaur Double Crossbows, haven't gotten it in a game yet to try it out.
>>47733425
Maximum lewd was in there.
>>47733855
Honestly, knowing why you feel it's good can be helpful too. Data is data, yeah?
>>47733789
Yeah t1 and t2 classes are going to exist anyways. But t4 are not trap options, they're fully playable classes. Yes, they're weaker, yes, other classes outstrip them, but usually, everythings fine.
Alright /pfg/, what martial disciplines are best to use with a chainsaw, other than Primal Fury?
>>47733926
Black Seraph
Embrace your inner B Horror Movie villian
>>47733886
This is why martials can't have nice things
>>47730402
If an unarmed striker fights exclusively with kicks (the rules don't say it has to be a punch, after all), what exactly would work for "sheathing" a kick?
>>47733966
Ooh, I like this. I don't know why i didn't consider that. It's for a villain, too, so it should work perfectly.
>>47733881
Who wrote it, anyway?
>>47734041
Was it PsyBomb? I think that's Jacob?
>>47734041
IIRC that was one of Alex's, but let me check.
>>47733983
Just standing
>>47734041
>>47734058
I was wrong, that one was Jake (Psybomb).
>>47734003
Cool man. You could also, if you want some fun Su stuff, go for Shattered Hourglass as well
Pic very much related
>>47734150
How's a faggot related? You calling Hourglass gay or something?
Daily reminder that the Paizo forums are full of fucking morons.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ton3?Is-hiring-a-slave-considered-an-evil-act
Jesus fucking christ.
>at the end of our session our party escaped a prison with one huge skeleton, one warrior who wanted to come with us, and my necrocraft growing into a huge sized Nito look a like
>>47734508
*and our gm wondering how to work with a 30ft player controled undead
Fun times
>>47734372
Jesus fucking Christ. Pathfinder is literal cancer.
>>47734529
Prepare for Paladins
>>47734688
Nah he's not that petty, it was his idea to make him into Nito in the first place. Anyway I planned on not using him for combat directly anyway from now on, he's there for emergencies and intimidation, the other undead I command(and the party) will be there for combat.
>>47733498
>>47733705
>>47733886
Paizodrones pretending nothing is wrong
>>47732630
Most of your damage comes from other source. The will save from shadow weapon only affect your weapon damage roll.
Even if you failed all the Will save, you lost only 3.5 average damage per attack
>>47726481
Multiclassing is bad and you should feel bad.
>>47734953
If you have a better idea for using a gun as a warpriest I'm all ears.
>>47734908
A valid point.
>>47733419
>all of my favorite things for normal characters
o-oh.
alright then.well, not monk and TWF is situational. I like doing the rest, though
>>47733425
Lewd memes. We squawked about them for several threads.
>>47734835
Its not that nothing is wrong its that the problem is literally not fixable
I also don't think t4s are traps. I think they're decent, solid characters
t5s ARE traps.
>>47734372
I'd consider it an evil act, but not one so evil it can't be counterbalanced by good intentions or context, so it could also be neutral if done correctly. You could also purchase slaves to protect them from some kind of harm/abuse which could be a good act if freeing them isn't an option (such as freeing slaves not being legal) so that could muddy things.
But it is generally a very powerfully lawful act, enforcing order and restricting freedom in a very strong manner. I would suggest any chaotic character would risk changing to neutral for purchasing and keeping a slave for an extended period of time, though i might be more lenient to characters who take slaves themselves and kill them shortly afterwards, allowing them to remain chaotic because that's more of a ruse or extended torture than true slavery.
Hey I found a copy of The Player's Guide to Skybourne, does anyone else need it? How would I send it to the Trove?
Having some trouble coming up with a build for a short murderfest game starting at lvl10.
Anyone have any ideas?
>>47735351
Well, level 10 is about the level the Barbarian gets really good at murder or prepared casters really start getting into the bullshit department, which are you more after?
dumbass question:
buying magical Weapons/Armor with starting cash:
the base cost for a +1 weapon is 2000, +2 is 8000
I'm wanting to make that a Greatsword.
If I bought a +1/+2 weapon, would that only be 2/8k, as the magical item cost includes the cost of the actual gear, or would it be like 2015/8015.that's not really a great example, huh. +1 full plate would be better, yeah? it's 1.5k default
>>47735404
Hmm, not too sure really I think maybe something more martial over caster, done too many casters.
I'm not adverse to self-buffers though.
Also we are starting with full wealth per level and have no real restrictions over items
>>47735427
To enchant a weapon, it must be masterwork.
so, a greatsword, for example? Standard cost is 50 gold. Add 300 for masterwork. then add 2000 for the +1, or 8000 for +2.
Resulting in 2350/8350
>>47735503
yoooo
that's actually really annoying.
Thanks, though.
And I misread, thought standard cost was 15, was looking at heavy flail.
>>47735284
Then dsp classes wouldn't be a thing and no one would want them
Reminder that base warder with default disciplines is t4: it does its one job very well but doesn't have class features for much else.
High t4 is an okay place to be.
>>47735796
People will always want to be more powerful in combat.
I'm building a prankster gnome.
I need ideas, items, spells, etc, that such a character might do/use.
Evil is acceptable.
Hey /pfg/, I'm currently making a Luchador class, here is a link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuHwR9uNL9zL2AGqUhYzOd47IJb22l1IK4aU1GxyYuU/edit, let me know what you think. I'm trying to make it as a support/tank that is good at disabling opponents rather than killing them.
>>47735850
It's Int based though, so it'll at least have skills.
>>47735796
dsp classes are for the people that want that. Which is absolutely fine :D
>>47735909
pretty much
>>47736027
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuHwR9uNL9zL2AGqUhYzOd47IJb22l1IK4aU1GxyYuU/
Looks fun, just reading it makes Macho Man Randy Savage quotes appear in my mind.
I would replace poison immunity with Bravery(As Fighter) leading into fear immunity.
Maybe add a Catchphrase feature, similar in function to Litany spells(As Inquisitor/Paladin), swift action Spell-like-abilities that give situational benefits.
Looks great, I'll save it.
>>47736027
Maybe consider free Style Feats?
Individual personal style is a big part of wrestling, maybe give a specific selection of style feat trees that may be chosen?
>Starfinder
How the fuck did Paizo get into my notebooks and steal my fucking ideas?
I swear to god, if the first campaign is some sort of crashed ship stranded on a new planet, I'm suing.
>>47736027
So with Dropkick... they have to make a fortitude save or... what happens?
>>47736356
good catch! thanks, if they fail the save they are knocked prone along with taking the damage from the unarmed attack.
>>47736389
Hm.
To me, a dropkick sort of brings to mind knockback. Maybe bullrush? And you can still bullrush people into walls to knock them prone.
>>47736038
Doesn't help the rogue too much.
>>47736027
archetype involving sneak attack, maybe getting free sneak attack bonuses whenever using improvised weapons.
archetype involving teamwork feats, for when 8 gnome luchadors show up, to humiliate the PCs
>>47736480
The Los Minis ability originally summoned 1d4 midget luchadors to aid the luchador, but I deemed it to be too mystical for the class to be summoning things.
>>47735503
>>47735427
Another dumb followup question-
I think rather than +2 of something like a chain shirt, it's far better to get a +1 mithril breastplate, if you've got medium armor proficency. That's 200 base, 4000 for mithril, which comes with masterwork, and 1000 for +1, but counts as light armor, weighs nearly nothing, and has a +7 armor bonus, compared to the +6 of a chain shirt, and has the same armor check penalty as said +2 chain shirt, yeah?
>>47736521
Yes, the light-armour user wearing a mithral breastplate is a time-honoured tradition. Note that mithral doesn't make it count as light for proficiency, though. But by taking the armour expert trait, or any of the myriad other ways to reduce the ACP by 1, its ACP becomes nothing, and thus you have no nonproficiency penalty.
>>47736389
Hmm. How's this for wording?
>As a full-round action, the Luchador jumps into the air and kicks the opponent with the soles of both feet. If successful the attack deals damage as an unarmed attack, and target must make a Fortitude save or be knocked back 5ft, plus 5 feet per 4 Luchador levels. This counts as a bullrush for the purpose of Get The Table. If the attack misses the Luchador is left prone.
Wording aside, I do feel like the distance should scale.
>>47736642
Although actually now I'm looking at it, the Luchador gets a good amount of CMB/D stuff, and then abilities to sidestep it.
Like, a prone-making dropkick is basically a Trip, a knockback dropkick is basically a bullrush...
>>47736662
Does trip and bullrush still do damage?
>>47736625
Yeah, I already mentioned the "if you've got medium armor proficency" bit, but...
>no nonprofiency penalty
Wait, what?
is that only there if you're not proficient?
Cause I was gonna inquisitor, they're already profiencient in med armor.
>TFW I'm looking at the inquisitor spell list
>Dispel magic, Magic circle, Terrible remorse, Magic Vestement
>i could save money/be better with AC without really trying if I took the latter
>I only get to pick two
this shit is hard, man.
Why Warpriest? flavor? Would your character personality be any different if you wrote Cleric,Inquisitor or even (a very religious) Gunslinger or (a very religious) Eldritch Archer on your sheet?
NOPE IT WON"T.
>>47736676
They don't, but the point is they get bonuses to CMB, then abilities which let them do CMB-like things, without involving the bonuses they get to it at all.
One class feature is fighting the other. One wants you to do CMB things, one wants you to use the save-causing ones.
>>47736684
>non proficient with armor
Nevermind, I just looked it up.
Holy shit, a light armor wearer can negate the penalty to STR and DEX checks AND the penalty attack rolls just completely on a breastplate, with just getting it as mithril and having a trait?
goddamn, that's pure sex.
