>dark skin
>revere spiders (Lolth/Anansi)
>slave trade central part of culture
>manipulative scheming bastards
Are drow the fantasy counterpart of West African empires (those that sold other Africans to slavery) and, thus, modern-day Nigeria?
>inb4 KANGS
>>47711150
>inb4 /pol/
can any type of matriarchy be found in real history?
>>47711177
>inb4 that one scooby doo picture with reddit and >>>/pol/
>>47711199
It's not necessarily impossible.
But I don't think there is.
Drow aren't humans though.
>>47711133
I have nothing better to do so let's play your game.
>Are drow the fantasy counterpart of West African empires and, thus, modern-day Nigeria?
Yes, maybe.
And your point is...?
![47085885cc8776982c0e9b0a422b9eae[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kVvVodT.jpg "47085885cc8776982c0e9b0a422b9eae[1].jpg")
>You will never be a drow wizard that successfully conspires to overthrow the matrons and install a magocracy
>>47711133
>another Are Drows just Niggers? thread
They have no analogue to any real-world culture because they're a matriarchal race of sex perverts who live in caves and talk to spiders.
>>47711325
Wise Sage Barry Johnson
10/10
>>47711133
>double triple double
Even Drizzt only every dual wielded bait posts, this guy is /triple-wielding/ his bait!
>>47711325
>another Are Drows just Niggers? thread
After the Lady Penitent series, which is after War of the Spider Queen, a spell was cast that turned non-evil aligned elves into "black" elves.
At main character considered that many nonevil elves in the underdark would suddenly be at a huge advantage, not being able to see and all, shrugged, and moved on with his life.
>They have no analogue to any real-world culture
If you left it there, I would have agreed with you. At least in Faerun they're originally a tribe of black elves that turned to "demons" in a time of trouble. Otherwise, the culture has become completely abstracted from any worldy things.
Requesting Eastern European Drow stories pasta
>>47711303
Are Drow women typically more powerful at magic than males? So wouldn't 'the magocracy' just be a slightly different form of matriarchy?
>>47711873
No, because in a magocracy, you would have both men and women in positions of power, such as head of finance, secretary of state, that kind of thing. In the drow culture, it's pretty hard to find a high ranking man anywhere, and even when you do, he is STILL subservient to pretty much every single woman.
>>47711873
Women are clerics, men are wizards.
>>47711873
They're pretty much equal in arcane magic, but since being a cleric is much more prestigious, most of the powerful mages end up being males.
I prefer hyper capitalist matriarchy where the women run the business and finance and the men handle the war fighting and making sure no takes the money.
>>47711873
Drow females are also canonically taller than the males
>>47711325
/thread
And thanks for the Barry.
![d8f48ef643d71009349ced46cae80a0b63dccdb2[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/xpfXQ8X.png "d8f48ef643d71009349ced46cae80a0b63dccdb2[1].png")
>>47711765
Acknowledged. Pasta inbound.
Out.
>>47713498
>>47713498
Came here just to post that.
>Are drow the fantasy counterpart of West African empires (those that sold other Africans to slavery) and, thus, modern-day Nigeria?
Obviously not, retard.
>>47713498
That was an amazing read.
>>47711199
Minoans.
>>47712371
So the Minoans.
>>47711199
No
>>47714782
>Minoans
>King Minos
wew lad
No. Drow culture is based off the perception that early adventure fiction writers had of primitive matriarchies they thought once ruled everything.
A female ruled, religiously violent culture involving blood sucking insects and constant greed and backstabbing is a really old trope. Like She or La of Opar.
This later became a stock culture in fantasy settings because it gives the hero a chance to meet terrifying amazon women.
One word friends: chad-zak
>>47711199
Hawaii, I think.
>>47711873
Drow women are typically taller, stronger, and more magically inclined than the men.
However most drow women eschew the arcane in favor of the divine, which is why most of the merchant houses are run by male wizards.
This was one of the main complaints about the 3e changes to the Drow, given that AD&D's Drow of the Underdark describes the matron houses (headed by powerful noble drow and the clergy of Lolth) are just one of the main pillars of the society, while the merchant houses (usually educated/charismatic males and females, but typically headed by male archmages) are the other major pillar.
The merchant towers don't have the strength nor the alliances among other drow to muster defenses against the other underdark creatures or even maintain order in the cities. However the ruthlessness of the priestesses and the matron houses makes for poor communications and many issues when dealing with outside races in non-violent manners.
3e kind of pushed the merchant houses aside to focus more on hurr durr matriarchy everyone blindly follows women always forever.
>>47711199
Only in individual families. There are no known societies that have been unambiguously matriarchal.
>>47711199
Yes, but not successful ones.
Patriarchy is the answer evolution settled on.
>>47715649
Social behavior drives evolution, not the other way around.
>>47715745
Anon, they drive each other. Are you so naive to think that interactions only work one way?
>>47715824
The only thing that matters in evolution is whose sperm fertilized whose egg first. Evolution has nothing to do with social norms.
>>47715745
Genes and social behavior are both subject to selective pressure.
Systems of organization that can't compete on their own merits - matriarchy, or communism - die out; while capitalism and patriarchy pass the test of time.
>>47715564
Shouldn't that mean all Drow Women are giga-amazons with Drow Male Fuckbois?
>>47715922
Yes
>>47715922
From a drow perspective, yes.
Drow are also the shortest of the Elves though, so their women are about the height of your typical gold elf man.
>>47715843
But societal norms influence whose sperm fertilizes whose egg first. Why do you think European nobility is so inbred?
>>47716001
Correct. That is a factor that that drives evolution. Social behavior drives evolution.
>>47715853
Communism, capitalism and feminism are just ideas. They will all die out but the way evolution works will not, as long as there is organic life. Evolution doesn't create ideas.
>>47715989
Wait, really?
>>47716355
4'6" - 5'6"
>>47716355
From Drow of the Underdark
>Drow females tend to be bigger and stronger than males. Both sexes tend to be lithe, slim, and graceful in build, features, and movements, much as other elves appear to human eyes.
From the Monstrous Compendium
>Drow have black skin and pale, usually white hair. They are shorter and more slender than humans, seldom reaching more than 5 feet in height. Male drow weigh between 80 and 110 pounds, and females between 95 and 120 pounds. Drow have finely chiseled features, and their fingers and toes are long and delicate
>>47716470
And for completeness sake
Also from Drow of the Underdark (AD&D)
>Drow vary in shape, features, and hair color as greatly as humans do. The only exception to this rule is their uniformly jet-black skin (the few exceptions tend to be bone-white albinos).
>The majority of drow have snow-white hair from birth, yellowing (if female) or graying (if male) and thinning with great age. Rare drow have naturally silver or copper-hued hair, although there are those who deliberately dye their hair silver (see the chapter on Drow Religion, under Eilistraee).
>Most drow have red eyes. Others have green, brown, or black. Various shades of gray, even amber and rose-hued eyes are not unknown. All drow eyes tend to grow redder when they are angry or upset. Yellow eyes usually denote illness, disease, poisoning, or the presence of certain detrimental magics. Blue and purple (and all the tints thereof) are the most unusual eye colors, and usually denote human or surface elven blood somewhere in the drows ancestry.
>Drow teeth may be black, white, or purple, and their gums, tongues, and throats pink, red, or purple.
>>47716371
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>>47714854
King Minos is a myth. The Minoans predate both the Ancient Greeks and the Mycenaeans.
>>47711325
Even many animals know not to shit where they eat and habitually keep themselves clean. I hate this meme that medieval-tech people drank out of cesspools and didn't know what caused infections. Sure, they didn't understand its mechanism of action, but "keeping a wound clean makes it less likely to kill you" is stone age caveman wisdom, as is "don't shit where you eat" and "corpses spread disease." Fuck, that's why burial and pyre rituals came about, as a means of disposal of corpses.
>>47716371
...That will not stop me from having 6ft drow amazons and 4'6" drow fuckbois in my setting
>>47717422
Will they havemagical adamantine prosthetics that have rules for stripping the armor off of people mid-combat?
>>47717538
>magical adamantine prosthetics
Yes
>that have rules for stripping the armor off of people mid-combat?
Wasn't planning on it, was that a thing?
>>47716671
You're quite right about all that, but that screenshot isn't about medieval-tech people, it's about drow.
>>47711199
Tumblr
>>47716671
And yet for the longest damn time, people thought if your infected wound was squirting puss, it was being cleansed, nobody understood hygiene well enough that you could have cut down the dead toll from the black plague from like 2/3rds of Europe's population to maybe a tenth if people washed more, there were actual sewer systems fed by aqueducts and there was less garbage and filth around that created the insane breeding grounds for rats and lice.
Shit like Burials came about because of religion.
It took man well after the renaissance to actually form fucking medicine beyond fucking bloodletting, leaches and fucking drilling a hole into your brain to relieve a fucking headache.
>>47717556
Perhaps the most common drow advanced craftwork are the replacement limbs worn by injured drow. These wonders are almost all fashioned of adamantine alloy: assemblies of precise, intricate parts that are as agile and dexterous as living limbs, with many ball-swivel joints and tendon-like cables for control. The adamantine construction makes them both very hard and flexiblethey are not prone to shatter or snap off under stress, but can punch or rake through most armor.
Such limbs may have specialized, removable hands a drow lady whose everyday limb-end is a delicate metal hand may substitute an armor-rending claw, or even a sword, axe, or long-spiked mace end, when expecting battle.
If a drow claw attack roll succeeds, drow and target both roll 1d8, adding this to their Strength scores. If the drow has the higher total, an area of armor is torn away. A claw does 1d4 + 2 for a punch (crushing blow saving throws for struck target items apply), and 1d4 + 4 per rake (an attack that rends armor does only 1d4 to the victim beneath).
Able-bodied, whole drow may have similar weapon or specialized extensions that strap onto limbs or fit over a hand (e.g. a one-piece sword-gauntlet) or foot (e.g. toe-claws or spikes, used for climbing stone and to kick-stab an extra dagger damage-attack in battle).
>>47717824
>Shit like Burials came about because of religion.
You're confusing cause and effect. No, burials took a religious significance because they were practical and widely practiced, as did funeral pyres.
You might not know what germs are, but you might notice people who hang around people who died of disease tend to get sick, and that leads to a lot of religious ideas about how to dispose of corpses.
>>47717870
Huh, but armor isn't normally sunderable for a reason so no
>>47717824
>It took man well after the renaissance to actually form fucking medicine beyond fucking bloodletting, leaches and fucking drilling a hole into your brain to relieve a fucking headache.
That's really an exaggeration. While modern medicine may not have existed in the ways we understand it people were not completely ignorant of medicine.
>>47717887
I would say funerals were probably a side effect of mixing corpse disposal and ancestor worship
>>47716371
You are now imagining a 4'6" drow woman trying to bully you and failing miserably because she's so short, and getting more and more adorably, impotently frustrated.
>>47717538
>slap enhancements
>>47716470
Guessing the extra 10-15lb is dem titties.
>>47720678
Except leaches and drilling holes in skulls are both useful in the right circumstances.
>>47720678 >>47716671
You're completely wrong and very ignorant about medical history.
Just look at history of Ignaz Semmelweis. In middle of 19th century he advised doctors to wash their hands, especially after working with corpses, he found this reduces maternal mortality up to 10 times. Most doctors rejected his proposals, laughed at him, and he was put in mental asylum, where he died. 19th century, "educated" doctors.
Before germ theory of disease, hand washing, antiseptics, anesthetics and vaccination - mostly middle and late 19th century things - medicine was unscientific garbage and full of completely incorrect theories (like "four humours" theory) and useless or even harmful treatments. Doctors knew some things - like eye surgery or that quinine-containing plant from South America was used against malaria - but these were exception, not the rule.
>>47714782
>Minoans
>As matriarchy
>>47721379
>implying that she can't, with her superior skills, steal your precios from your backpack, ambush you at every dark corner, trip you on your ass. Not even mentioning her heirloom trinkets and magic. All the while you ll never able to catch her.
>>47722461
>tries to do this
>im psionic
>oh wait
>"i send you to the shadow realm"
>Muh-muh-muh-Mind Crush.jpg
No one resists psychic in the underdark thats why aboleths and mindflayers live down there.
>>47722461
>steal your precios from your backpack
What's a precios?
>>47722884
Not same anon but probably meant precious
>>47722884
Type of bread, supper nutrient laden, as palatable as a rock.
>>47716037
interestingly, evolutionary determinists like yourself have also been crushed by people saying "no, that's goddamned stupid, and just a modern update of kings saying 'hey guys turns out god says everything I hate is evil' to boot." Seriously, y'all tried your luck and by the end were reduced to begging liberal democracy to save you from the Communists before they could demonstrate their counterargument.
>>47711206
Which one? I collect Scooby Doo pictures. Give it to me.
>>47723204
btw as an actual biologist, any time someone says that a cultural artifact has evolutionary significance, consider two things.
one, how many hours in your life you have devoted to masturbating in front of a shiny plastic box.
two, how remarkable a coincidence it is that there has never been an evolutionary determinist who thinks someone else's politics are more evolutionarily justified than his own.
Shit's divine right of kings with god scratched out and genetics poorly scratched in on top of it.
>>47711199
Mosuo
>>47711295
You didn't really play the game, did you?
>>47723264
Underrated post of the century
>>47722082
>Just look at history of Ignaz Semmelweis. In middle of 19th century he advised doctors to wash their hands, especially after working with corpses, he found this reduces maternal mortality up to 10 times. Most doctors rejected his proposals, laughed at him, and he was put in mental asylum, where he died. 19th century, "educated" doctors.
Sometimes I wonder why we have not become extinct.
>>47723264
Not the other guy, but while what he said might be bullshit you can't actually deny a biological component to social/cultural structures and behavior.
Back in the 70s the equality crowd was raving mad when anyone dared to imply that behavior was in any way rooted in genetics, even if modified by the enviroment, but now it's pretty much a well known fact.
It's not like it means humans are stuck to doing one thing, it just means there is a biological component that makes us predisposed to doing some things over others. It doesn't even mean said behaviors are better or worse. They just are.
t. Lolbertarian
>>47721379
>You are now imagining a 4'6" drow woman trying to bully you and failing miserably because she's so short, and getting more and more adorably, impotently frustrated.
>Then she knocks you out with poison, brings out the chains and slave collar, and keeps you bound and naked in her bedroom where she can bully you at her leisure
>>47722529
>No one resists psychic in the underdark thats why aboleths and mindflayers live down there.
>Drow also live in the underdark
>Drow probably have something to fuck over psychics specifically
>>47724690
yeah, team eugenics has gone full creationist in their rear-guard action. "you can't be 100% sure that any given action isn't genetically induced! therefore our totally unscientific wet-dream has to be true."
is there a biological component to some behaviors? probably. form dictates function, and all that.
the million dollar question is and remains if you have any way to separate out evolutionarily incentivized behaviors from artifacts of random cultural drift, beyond "i'd really like to believe I was the ubermensch."
Actual Science shrugs and says 'not yet, at least.'
evopsych adherents mumble awkwardly for a second or two and then pretend very, very hard that they didn't hear the question.
>>47723264
>>47725301
Truer words were never posted.
>>47724690
> it just means there is a biological component that makes us predisposed to doing some things over others
Human behavior is an insanely complex and nonlinear system.The same genetic determinants can lead to one kind of a behavior in one social context, and to a completely different one in another context. And there are quite a many different social contexts due to family influence, difference in cultures, economic standing etc that it's absolutely impossible at this point to make any assumptions based on statistics.
>>47711199
Tuareg nomads and some region of Tibet.
>>47711199
There are some pacific islander cultures and there were a few native American tribes that were matriarchies, but those are very much exceptions.
>>47716037
>sex orginizations are ideas instead of expressions of natural law
get out of here retard, stirner is a dumb faggot and so in continental philosophy
>>47726562
Shit man, you called me a faggot retard and posted a gif. I guess biology really does work how you want it
>>47714902
It wasn't originally a matriarchy. It was originally just an expression of the old 'lost underground decadent civilization' trope.
Original appearance of the drow has a gendered caste divide, yes, but nothing that indicates that temples are more important or in charge of society (people claim that it's implied, but no, that's them reading in future decisions.)
R.A. Salvatore, the genius also responsible for Scottish Dwarves, is one of the main reasons we're saddled with the idiotic Murderhobo Mafioso Matriarchy, which has devolved into being dumber and dumber over the years.
(Though, I think we hit peak dumb-drow with the Chad-Zak thing back in 3e. Thanks, Paizo.)
>>47726726
for almost all of human history, economic power came from the ability to do physical labor. m political power came from the ability to employ violence in armies or feudal oaths. women spend most of their lives pregnant because they dont have birth control, and pregnant women have damn near zero ability to employ violence or do real work. therefore, women naturally have less economic and political power than men, which is why there are zero matriarchies in history.
tell that to your continental philosophy professors, faggot. also, enjoy your life of unemployment for having a faggot major
>>47711199
When I was dicking around in liberal arts, there was a guy in my sociology class who believed the amazons where a real group. When the teacher corrected him on this, he was confused that Herodotus had written about something that wasn't real.
>>47723264
>a cultural artifact has evolutionary significance
have you seriously never even heard of sexual selection? how many dudes do you think got laid becasue they play the guitar good or can paint good? i dont believe you are a biologist.
>>47726877
It's funny because you think your opinion is valid.
>>47727087
>opinion
no, anon, it is a fact.
would you like to offer an argument as to why it is not valid? or is your continental brain incapable of a response?
>>47727149
Not really. I really couldn't care less if you understand how biology works. Feel free to declare yourself the victor of the conversation.
>>47727185
i will. next time you should show up with actual arguments before hemorrhaging your bullshit.
>>47727248
>i will
Oh.
>>47726097
Statistics + empirical ancedotal evidence.
I'm not going to judge a black man on the color of his skin. But I'll be damned if I move to an area where blacks aren't a small minority at least.
If you see an area has a higher per-capita crime rate, you can make a pretty good fucking guess that it might be more unsafe than an area with a lower per-capita crime rate.
Human behavior is complex but also tribal. That simplifies and makes sense of a lot of bullshit excuses.
>>47727439
The fact that human behavior is tribal shreds the bad faith posturing of the assholes who deny differences in human cognition and ability.
You can be sure that if there were a good thing about some other race, they would harp on it
"Oh wow african-americans have faster muscle reflexes wow"
Whereas if it were something about how asians and whites have a lower time preference and lower impulsivity in tests measured at ages 2-5, it'd be buried.
>>47711199
Hmm.
Maybe the Fraternal Polyandry in the Himalayas. The woman is typically the one managing much of the estate, and the mother is typically the one handing off her batch of sons.
But I don't know much about their culture beyond that, so I could just be talking out of my ass.
>>47711325
I always kind of associated them with certain Jew portrayals, actually.
> Dwell in the dark and worship vermin / hide among ethnically related groups and dwell in filth
> Associated with spiders / associated with rats
> Males are encouraged to become wizards / males are encouraged to study scripture
> Females handle the family's affairs / culture is matrilineal
> Bonus to INT and CHA, spell-likes based around stealth / sneaky, manipulative, cunning
> Practice slavery / practice slavery
But then that may just be because the first game I played in had a goblin culture based on National Socialism with drows as the designated arch-enemy.
>>47727917
>national socialist goblins
The Ass-Goblins of Auschwitz!
>>47727917
wait, jews are matrilineal? children take their mother's name?
>>47728299
No, he's talking of how you need to have a Jewish mom to be considered a kosher boi.
>>47728299
If you didn't come out of a jewish vagina you weren't born jewish.
>>47726562
>thinking natural law exists
>>47728456
Why can't you climb a tree?
Why do the hopes and dreams of agents crash on so many rocks?
Why can't everyone win?
Natural law is the realization that there is both
1. No "good end" for everyone
2. Undesirability of a "good end" for everyone
>>47728508
That was an incredible exercise in saying nothing.
There are no laws in the universe, just patterns. Even the logical absolutes aren't laws, just constant patterns.
>>47728508
Natural law is actually the idea that individuals have inalienable rights granted to them through either some sort of divine agent or universal property of the universe. This does not have anything to do with a "good end".
>>47728552
I say good sir, I have to respectfully disagree.
You see, you have made an error in your logic:
1. Patterns exist everywhere
2. If patterns exist everywhere, laws do not exist
(1,2) 3. Laws do not exist
However, by universally applying the idea"patterns exist", you create a law in itself: namely, that patterns prove there are no laws. Indeed, you absolutely must with the most concrete certainty believe that patterns exist everywhere and laws do not. Yet, if patterns exist, that in itself is a law.
>>47728847
I don't think that's how you're supposed to do that...
>>47728240
Sort of. I don't think our rogue ever forgave our dungeon master for the cloudkill chamber.
>>47728299
>>47728413
>>47728454
The latter two anons have it right. Sorry, I thought that was what "matrilineal" meant.
>>47728456
>>47728456
do you think physics doesn't exist?
because that is what we are talking about.
>>47724544
Spite is how. It is humanity's greatest achievement to be able to say "Fuck you" to everything that logically should have wiped us out, be it nature, our own stupidity, or some combination of both.
>pic related when I watch the news
>>47726834
This.
Old Drow stuff, even old Drow FR stuff says that the priestesses and the matrons are important, but the only reason they get special mention is because they also represent the military arm of Drow society, where even then (AD&D) Drow of the Underdark mentioned that most of the top non-magical military people tend to be guys, simply because if a guy isn't gifted in the arcane or a fast learner of languages/diplomacy that is the only other 'important' job he can get.
But the hard military aspects, the "we regularly have rituals that involve fucking demons", and so on came from Salvatore.
And it's somewhat funny looking at much older quotes from Greenwood where he first says Menzobanana is nothing like how he would write it and in fact a very extreme city from what he's read of Salvatore's works, then looking at the more recent ones, where he just acknowledges that, while no they are not a part of his realms, they are what people wants so he just doesn't talk about the underdark anymore.
>>47730850
>But the hard military aspects
Hard matriarchy aspects rather.
Fuck auto-complete.
>>47711133
No, because they're not orcs
Back in the mid 80's when we were playing, I had an idea for a character and ran it by the GM.
I wanted to play a drow monk. His first instinct was to say no, but he told me to pitch it to him. My idea was that a group of Male Drow were trying to fight the matriarchy. As the matriarchy was supported by their goddess Lolth, they had sworn compacts with the elder elemental gods. They formed a clandestine cult of monks who were starting a rebellion, both physically in the underdark, but spiritually against Lolth by bringing other males to the elder elemental gods.
Asked why he would go to the surface, I explained that he was forced to flee when his cell was discovered. He decided to go to the surface world and get help from adventurers.
Eventually, the party went through the classic Slavelords / Against the Giants / Decent to the Depths / Vault of the Drow module series where they helped begin the revolt and finished up with the Queen of the Demonweb Pits, where they defeated Lolth.
Prety fun campaign in all. Interestingly, the GM gave my character (and the other monks who worshipped the elder elemental gods) some elemental effects for various monk abilities making him something like "avatar, Last Airbender" but 20 years before...
>>47724544
We breed a lot. Fucking is fun.
>>47727917
Jews might be matrilineal, but their society is patriarchal as hell.
>>47711133
Don't forget many African cultures being matrilineal. That's why "yo momma" is more effective for insulting blacks than other races.
>>47717824
>And yet for the longest damn time, people thought if your infected wound was squirting puss, it was being cleansed
that's partly true though, it's a sign of your body fighting against the infection, a wound that has not been dissinfected and doesn't produces pus is a bad sign
>>47731977
>Don't forget many American cultures being matrilineal. That's why "yer momma" is more effective for insulting texans than other races.
>Don't forget many European cultures being matrilineal. That's why "yer mum" is more effective for insulting brits than other races.
You can't be so stupid as to not realize that calling out "your mom" has been a key way to start a fight the world over in every culture.
>>47711199
Very briefly.
>>47729034
>lol I don't know that natural law is a fucking legal/philosophical term as well, which references absolute truth
>I'll then use this term to refer to an ideal that is the traditional stance of society
>>47732192
What are the Dozens? Learn some black culture instead of being blindly equalist.
>>47728508
>anon can't climb a tree
Some human beings are surprisingly useless in surprisingly basic situations.
>>47732245
That's kind of the opposite though, since the Dozens is based on being able to go at each other with wit, especially when targeting one's mother without losing your shit.
As opposed to other cultures, where people go apeshit immediately upon hearing their mother insulted.
Do Drow females tend to own males as slaves?
>>47733273
>Do Drow females tend to own .... slaves?
Yes
>>47733301
Cool, cause I wanted to make a story involving Drows but I'm not 100% on their lore.
>>47711199
I had a professor who kept insisting that before the Egyptians all societies were run by women and that it was a time of peace and no wars. I thought of arguing with her, then realized it wasn't worth it.
>>47728508
I can climb a tree
>>47733273
>>47733344
>Certain surface-dwellers know the rumors of drow slave-dealing to be true. Some human slavers (particularly in Calimshan, Thay, and in The Plain of Horses in the Eastern Realms) and orc slavers (throughout the North) trade with the drow and have learned not to trust them.
>Slaves must give way to drow nobles, and are not allowed to look any drow in the eye. Slaves may only bear weapons when a drow noble allows them (usually only in gladiatorial entertainment fights, or to defend a House under attack).
>Slaves encountered in drow society are usually of the goblin races: goblins, orcs, hobgoblins, and the like. Kobolds and jermlaine are too small, agile, and independent to make good slaves (in the minds of most drow), and such creatures as trolls and giants are too large and powerful.
Drow only enslave other drow captured in battle, particularly debtors and noble drow whose families do not pay ransoms for their return. Some drow communities dont enslave drow at all, sacrificing or merely killing captives and dangerous criminals.
>>47711199
There's one somewhere in India but it's steeped in poverty, can't recall the name.
>>47711303
You'd have a demon goddess and her clergy against you and no divine assistance on your end. Enjoy your eternity in the Abyss. You're better off just running away and starting a new colony/society of mages elsewhere.
>>47728847
This is some of the worst logic I have seen in a long while. Nobody is saying that patterns exist and therefore there is no natural law. Patterns are simply all that exists, and you are projecting the concept of natural law onto them.
The term 'natural law' implies a measure of correctness in nature that can be applied as a meter of what is right. "This is right because it occurs naturally." That's the capacity in which it's being used here, as a way of determining which societal norms are 'right.'
The problem with this is that there is no reference point in nature for what is right. At best you can say "this commonly occurs" and this does not afford that thing any sort of moral weight, it simply makes that thing a common occurrence. "Light travels through a vacuum" is not a statement that determines the rightness or wrongness of anything. It's how we have currently observed light to work. Similarly, "this gender has moved toward these roles in these periods of history due to these biological reasons" has no moral or inherently 'right' charge as a statement. Calling upon the natural world as an indicator of what is right is foolish, there is no 'right' in nature. There's just how we've observed things to work so far.
>>47726973
your teacher was retarded. Amazons weren't a myth.
>>47724690
>he thinks behavior between the races or the like are genetic
He said he was a biologist not a retarded social darwinist.
>>47713498
My absolute favorite thing about that pasta is that most of it is funny and nice, and then there's the post about skinning a person and wearing them just interspersed in there.
>>47711199
Yes
ITT: lots of people who aren't historians, and even if they are, have learned from textbooks written in the current societal paradigm, which is not a matriarchy.
>>47727439
>>durr they black people do bad thing, that must be genetic
has your retarded brain ever considered the concept that they where raised by black people and subsiquently their culture? did you miss the fact that white "niggers" exist who are basically all but "black" in the same way, crime, poverty, violence? It's social, not genetic, you social darwinist crackpot.
>>47721379
>>47725281
I'm imagining both of these things desu.
here is some sfw parts of some erotic literature im reading
Varassa gently slid the blade between the thin wire and his skin. She made certain to take her time; she wanted him to feel the cold metal drag across his throat. But to his credit he didn’t even flinch, and once she was satisfied she sliced the wire. He coughed as the gag fell from his mouth and dropped to the floor.
“Again you have pleased me, slave,” Varassa said. “You should be glad.”
“I am, mistress,” he managed. Despite his youth, his voice was deep and smooth…and now that he was back on his feet, she could fully appreciate his height and musculature. He towered over her despite her heels; drow males really were quite pathetic by comparison.
>>47738970
>ITT: lots of people who aren't historians, and even if they are, have learned from textbooks written in the current societal paradigm, which is not a matriarchy.
...and? When the so overt majority of it caters to fact it's hard to complain without looking like a chronically outraged whiner with no fundamental improvement outside of baseless speculation and crackpot theories.
