I think the tau are compensating for something. This is ridiculous.
1 WS = 2 inches
>>47710233
>This is ridiculous
It's 40k. The entire point of the setting is an excuse to release your inner man-child.
>>47710247
Little known fact. WS stands for wiener skill. Close combat is actually a dick waving contest with the looser keeling over in embarassment
>>47710233
At least post the right Ta'unar.
>>47710233
The whole setting has so many phallic symbols Freud would get a boner from it.
There isn't a square inch of it without oversized powerful killing objects and other male fantasies. It's no coincidence space marines are so popular among the factions.
>>47710344
That actually looks kind of cool, the one on OP's right looks like an armless biped with a fat gun for no reason. Either way the Tau need these kinds of things to fight Imperial knights and titans.
>>47710247
>>47710270
Siggy confirmed for best-endowed Astartes
>>47710439
Are you implying woken don't fantasize about killing shit and giant oversized . . . guns?
Because we know very different women if that's the case.
>>47710542
smaller than imperial assassins
who are smaller than lelith
who is smaller than bloodthirsters
>>47710645
But are those guys Independent, Eternal and Fearless? Didn't think so.
>>47710233
Yes, they're compensating for their lack of titans. That's literally what those weapons and huge suits are meant to do.
>>47710233
Wait, is the 600 point Ta'unar really smaller than the 300 point Stormsurge? That's fucked up. It completely invalidates the entire IG strategy.
>>47710251
>implying the big model power creep isn't made exclusively to make you spend a month of wages into a single mini.
I could release my inner man-child with XV-8 well enough, thank you.
>>47710645
Doesn't Lelith WS jumps to 10 when she's the warlord, though?
>>47711622
>a month of wages
>for a single model
Even their most ridiculously expensive model, the Warlord Titan, which is multiple times more expensive than any other model, is less than a month's wages at minimum wage.
>>47711695
Isn't the Tau Manta still their most expensive figure?
>>47711695
called hyperbole, autismo
>>47711705
Not when you add in the head and weapons for the Warlord. It's more expensive than just the body though.
>>47711695
4-1/3 weeks at 40 hours a week and $10 an hour is $1733.33
Warlord Titan with shoulder lasers and claws costs 1260 GBP = $1795.08
>>47711858
>minimum wage is $10 everywhere
>>47710550
Nope. Concerns about the phallus being a prime concern for both male and female was one of the reasons Freud got flak from feminists.
And thanatos is genderless.
But males still are much more neurotic about dicks and sizes, either in concrete or abstract terms.
And the part about space marines was that their anatomy is a male ideal.
>>47711883
Congratulations, you live in Seattle. Am I supposed to suck your cock now or something?
>>47711858
So if even the poorest of the poor can get a warlord titan in under 2 months what does that say about all the whiny babies complaining how GW shit is too expensive?
Kinda funny given that back when Epic was a thin, tau were stated (and listed in game) as having no titan types to defy the anime stereotype and use what they thought was more practical: Huge flying gunships.
>>47711695
The warlord titan fully equipped can cost as high as 1 795$. That's more expensive than the minimum monthly wage in several first-world countries.
>>47711948
>not having multiple jobs if you're at minimum wage
get gud
its like you dont even into destitution and single motherhood
>>47711902
But they're over the top, though. Sometimes people can be turned off by the sheer unrealisticness of Space Marines, in how they're eight feet tall and super-muscled and fluffwise can take a billion shots before dying and end a war all by themselves. Something a bit more down to earth, like stormtroopers or guardsmen, might be a more realistic male ideal.
>>47711998
>Superman is TOO super powered!
Only obnoxious critics say shit like this. And even they admit Superman's powers don't get in the way if you write his stories well. The problem isn't marines, it's GW's writing.
>>47711998
Each one with his tastes. Being all that fits in with some teenager thinking of taking risks and ignoring its own mortality.
But yeah, no fluffer in WH40K ever considered moderation (or writing skill).
>>47711589
I'm pretty sure that's just the image.
>>47711994
Yes, and?
That magically makes the Warlord less expensive than the monthly minimum wage?
>>47712183
You're implying you can only make a set amount of wages per month at minimum wage when 1) you can work well above the amount of hours you're trying to set and 2) the minimum wage isn't even a constant.
And even IF you set it to only one full time job and a relatively low minimum wage you STILL nearly afford the Warlord. So why not take a look at the original retarded claim which is "monthS of wageS".
>>47711928
It says you're retarded
>>47710940
Yes actually
>>47712223
>monthS of wageS
>>47711622
>a month of wages
Is it now?
>>47711948
Firstly I agree it is an insane price. But your assertion is meaningless.
If one is merely making minimum wage then they should obviously not participate in such expensive hobbies.
I make 4 times the minimum wage and I only buy old used GW miniatures primarily WFB figs for my painting and RPG gaming pleasure.
They build a titan, and it still can't even fight in melee.
How dishonorable.
>>47711622
>Doesn't Lelith WS jumps to 10 when she's the warlord, though?
fake length
>>47712421
The Stormsurge is actually good at melee.
Which is stupid because it doesn't even have arms.
>>47712411
You'd think with this level of autistic attention to detail you'd be able to land a job that pays more than $1700 a month.
>>47710233
LITTLE TAU BATTLESUITS
BIG IMPERIAL TITANS
>>47710233
>This is ridiculous.
Do Tau have anything with the same capabalities as a Gundam?
I mean like, being able to dogfight in the air or fly in space and orbital reentry and whatnot.
>>47713422
Their XV8 and 9 suits are mini gundams.
>>47712412
>If one is merely making minimum wage then they should obviously not participate in such expensive hobbies.
Even still, it's entirely possible to participate (even buying a full retail price, which you really honestly should be doing unless you just magically come across a great deal, because of the "you get what you pay for" problem) with proper budgeting. Setting aside 30-50 a paycheck exclusively for this hobby is usually more than adequate to be able to buy a steady steam of models while also being able to save up for big ones over a reasonable period of time.
>>47713985
If I can't spend my paycheck on the toys I want WHY EVEN BOTHER WORKING! FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
>>47713356
>the well endowed eagle of derision casts its gaze in your direction
>>47713985
But that's assuming you do nothing aside from buying models. And even not accounting for other hobbies, paying rent and eating is important.
>>47710439
i never really understood that honestly
there's like a shit ton of other killy shooty badass armies you could pick from and you picked the fucking "humans in power armor?" vomit
>>47712472
>Make a claim that's patently false and as easy to disprove as just scrolling up and clicking twice
>Get rekt
>NUH UH UR JUST AHTIZMICK
Fuck off.
>>47710247
>>47710270
>>47710247
Holy shit, i didnt even realise my necron warriors had genetalia, and here it turns out they had 8 inches all along
>>47711902
>one of the reasons Freud got flak from feminists.
like feminists need a reason to give flak, they are figuratively on the rag 24/7
>>47710500
>Either way the Tau need these kinds of things to fight Imperial knights and titans.
No. They don't. The Riptide was already plenty large enough for the role of fighting Imperial Knights. For everything else, they should just be using their titan-killing aircraft or mounting this giant railgun >>47710344 onto a stationary bunker or a tank.
You don't need giant robots to fight giant robots if you aren't even gonna bother with melee.
>>47715355
>>Make a claim that's patently false and as easy to disprove as just scrolling up and clicking twice
You mean saying the Taunar or Stormsurge costs an entire month of wages?
>>47715717
It does cost as much as a month's wages working full time at minimum wage, though.
The claim I was referring to, though, is that this argument started because someone said a Warlord costs as much as multiple months worth of wages, when that's not what he said and it takes all of two seconds to verify that.
>>47713422
No. (thank god!)
It's how they sell expensive plastic to taubois :^)
They just gotta win, gotta win at all costs
>>47715554
More options to dealing with threats are always welcomed. Redundancy is a virtue. In any case,
>>47715554
This. I kind of liked that the Tau's solution to oversized walking targets was the correct one (that is, blow it up with aircraft), rather than to build their own walking targets.
But GW is a modelling company, and giant robots are more fun to build than aircraft, sooooo....
>>47717860
That was the short term solutions.
Considering the Imperium is not without pilots of it's own.
The solution to an over engineered weapon is to build your own, I mean the mundane thing works once or twice before those guys get mad that you're breaking their toys and dig out their boring pieces to fuck yours up so they can switch back.
>>47718073
If they could beat you without their oversized walking targets, they would have. If they could shut down your air superiority, they'd do that too, whether or not you're using your air superiority to blow up their oversized targets.
Building more and better tanks and aircraft will actually win fights. The Imperium *sort of* gets away with in on the excuse that their wunderwaffes are all Super Sekrit Lost Technology that they can't really build anymore, so they might as well use them, but the Tau have no such excuse.
>>47718246
Remember, it's not about having the best tank, it's about having tanks, even if they're all this one.
>>47717860
The Ta'unar's fluff works because it was built by an insane scientist who's part of a sept that's become accustomed to siege warfare.
This is the guy that built the riptide variants
>>47718508
oh wait that doesn't have any of the fluff.
whoops
>>47713422
Every crisis suit is able to operate in a vacuum and deepstrike.
Coldstar and Yvarha also are both able to act as limited FMC.
>>47718508
And the Hazard close combat suits. Man, I hope we get one with suit-grade breacher weapons.
>>47716515
Yes, they do. In fact, I remember that, according to the fluff, Imperium's ships can't detect Coldstar suits.
>>47710233
The only way to win the war of dakka was to have more dakka. I think it's fair to say they learned.
Shit is fucking ridiculous though. Even imperial knights and titans are less top-heavy than these overpriced pieces of shit. It should be a giant tank or have six legs or something, there is no benefit to having a bipedal hill of fuck you when you could have a more mobile form of fuck you with wheels.
I assume that Supremacy are only deployed at Coalition level, right?
Personally, I think their weaponry should have the same range as IG's Basilisk and other weapons.
>>47720058
>Tau vehicle
>wheels
Gue'la pls
>hover railgun baneblades when
>>47710233
yeah okay
I like to think that the weapon's primary function is to blow up spaceships in orbit.
>>47720159
>"TAKE IT DOWN"
>"The ankles appear to be the weakest link."
>KLANG KLANG KLANG
Gue'la pls I'm trying to shoot down ships.
>>47720058
A real pity they didn't use the superheavy walker, felt like that would be something the Tau would use and aptly call "Kraken"
>>47710542
>Kharn is WS 8 in challenges
>FW special character rules allow for a WS 9 champion or praetor in challenges on the charge
>>47718073
>The solution to an over engineered weapon is to build your own
No, the solution to an over engineered weapon is to spam cheap easy to build weapons.
>>47720371
>requires full backing of Khorne and literally the highest mortal rank to beat Sigismund's WS
>by 1 point
>>47720146
It's big but smaller than I expected. I thought those things were like a mile tall.
>>47720146
Honestly I feel like it would be easier to make Imperial battleships that could enter the atmosphere.
Railguns make me moist.
>>47720396
>Full backing of Khorne
>Pre-Heresy
WS 7 really isn't special. Any World Eaters praetor or champion is WS 7 in a challenge and there is also Kharn and Sevatar who match Sigismund in WS with Sevatar being a better fighter than Dorn in the fluff.
>>47720320
they gotta save something for when the moniker 'miniature game' no longer applies because all the viable fielded models are at least a foot tall.
>>47720415
They've got some large flyers like Thunderhawks and Stormbirds but the actual battleships are super huge. Their models would probably be several tables long.
>>47720430
>WS10
>can't even hit on 2's against WS1
FIX WEAPON SKILL CHART GW
>>47715554
To fight Monsters, you need to create monsters of your own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vU7XqToZso
>>47710233
>>47710344
It almost looks like they got lost on the way to the Battletech universe.
>>47710233
Look between the legs.
They've got a dick guard.
>>47710270
Well, now I'm scared about St Celestine's WS 7.
>>47720912
Obviously it's there to protect the sensitive servos that drive the legs! A hit there could immobilize the entire suit, so it's natural that they'd want to protect it, rather than out of an irrational desire to protect non-existent genitalia.
>>47710233
God I really hate these ugly ass models. I thought Tau were meant to be somewhat practical, why could they not put these weapons on a devilfish chassis, or just make a heavier skimmer if they weren't big enough?
And don't give me that shit about walkers being all terrain or having better elevation, skimmers literally don't give two fucks about terrain and can hover as high as they want. Any suit bigger than a broadside makes literally no sense for the Tau, the Riptide was already pushing the stupidity boundry.
>>47721015
Because that defeats the purpose of these new models, which is to sell giant robots that are popular?
They already had giant guns on skimmers and flyers. They were obviously not selling well enough. It's also why the Imperial superheavies went from tons of tanks to tons of knights.
>>47720146
Some 19 year old has just disabled either the hip joint, or the exposed leg hydraulic with pic related; what now?
I get that part of the appeal 40k is about massive impractical war machines, but you could build dozens of far more effective attack helicopters for a fraction of what that thing cost in engineering, labor, and resources.
>>47721206
In lore those titans would engage from very far away, definitely out of range of a man portable missile launcher.
>>47721206
But they are practical, in 40k.
Why do you want to make it not 40k?
>>47721226
And you'd need a lot more than that.
>>47721206
>I get that part of the appeal 40k is about massive impractical war machines
...but you had to keep going...
>>47721226
>effective range 2500m
>maximum range 4750m
Fourth and fifth generation fighter jets have missiles with ranges in the hundreds of kilometers.
Variants of pic related can hit a meter size target at 2500km.
How far out of combat are we talking here?
>>47721290
How many do you have?
Titans have void shields too you know, several.
>>47721326
I know the US navy test fires several hundred a year just to make sure there isn't anything in the budget left; that would put the estimated ordinance in the thousands to tens of thousand range.
![DevourerDropship[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/253u7LY.jpg "DevourerDropship[1].jpg")
>>47721206
>what are void shields?
>also implying that a 127mm shaped charge is gonna do jack shit to an armored tube thicker than a Russ turret.
Yes it's silly, but when your walkers run on plotunium for their protection and offensive power, launching black-hole ICBMs amongst other things, I don't think the "far more effective" argument is true.
>>47720415
They also have those. The Tetrarch and the Devourer have huge amounts of dakka despite being transports. I don't think they've made purely support variants, though.
In universe, it's probably so the Imperial Navy doesn't get all the toys and doesn't upset the balance of power between the imperial armed forces.
OOC reason: "Giant robots pew pew pew fsssssh boom dakka dakka dakka"
>>47721347
Can they be brought together all at once?
>>47721290
>tomahawk cruise missile
>man portable missile
my fucking sides kiddo, at least read what you're shitposting on.
>>47721362
Depending how many missile cruisers you have, each could launch a dozen or so within a few minutes.
>>47721363
I was very clearly talking about 3 separate weapons platforms you illiterate mong.
>>47720415
Do you or do you not want the planet afterwards?
>>47721384
anon says it's out of range of man portable missiles
you post a tomahawk
and i'm illiterate
k
>>47721384
It's not enough.
Do you get what I'm laying down? I'm running out of images guy.
>>47721290
Several km. Aside from Warhound ambushes, Titan battles are usually fought from beyond visual range.
And enough armor and void shields to make anything but several hundred of your pic related useless.
See Titanicus for example, in a single shoot out between two titans hundreds of missles were used to deplete the enemy void shields. That worked because the enemy weakspot was known.
>>47721206
Titans always have air support on call and anti air close by.
It's like medival knights. Those always had some foot sloggers around to keep pointy sticks away from them.
Regarding firepower: Titans space ship grade weapons. Attack helicopters ain't got shit on that.
>>47721384
>A dozen withing a few minutes.
You are fighting a titan. Anthing under a couple of hundreds in under 5 minutes won't do jackshit.
>>47721407
>Titan battles are usually fought from beyond visual range.
And yet they have power fists, but of course those are for enemy titans.
>>47721395
>still too dumb read
At no point did I ever imply a tomahawk was a man portable weapon system, or did you think I was implying fighter jets were man portable weapons as well?
>>47721403
>Do you get what I'm laying down?
Yea, that 40k is a wankfest and I should stick to my autisticly realistic military sims.
>>47721206
The argument for Titans is that they are sacred archeotek - one of the few things of advanced tech that Adeptus Mechanicus REALLY largely doesn't understand the functioning of. They are ridiculous in design, but thanks to being head-and-shoulders above the rest of Imperial armaments in their technological level they hold up quite well.
>>47721432
You're out of your waters mate.
>>47721437
Elaborating on that - imagine it as if medieval armies magically got a hold of a few Mi-24 attack helicopters. They don't know how to get them off the ground, but they figured out how to operate the armaments and have a stockpile of ammunition, so they haul them into battle on horse carriages to use their autocannons.
Titans are of a similar concept - they technologically surpass all the other weapons Imperium has by millennia, they are manufactured and used with limitations that seem ridiculous (as original Titans from the Dark Age of Technology surpassed Imperial Titans by about as much as Imperial Titans surpass conventional weapons), but they are still quite effective.
Add it to Titans, unlike most mecha in related media, do not refashion the concepts of warfare to suit them as they are not the absolute weapon - they don't make any other weapons obsolete as they are routinely taken out by conventional weapons.
>>47721326
I'm pretty sure titans have point-defense systems on top of it.
And probably very effective jamming suites.
>>47721290
The range of most titan weapons isn't given, but they have guns that outrange most heavy artillery, and intercontinental missiles.
>>47718073
>That was the short term solution
you mean it was the solution till GW wanted to sell giant mechas?
>>47718073
>the solution to an over engineered weapon is to build your own
>assymetric warfare is unsustainable for both sides.
wut??
>>47721595
Drowning the enemy in the blood of your men isn't just a strategy, it's a challenge.
>>47710233
Agreed. I was hoping that the new edition for Tau would focus more on things like flyers, or more specialized XV-8-sized battlesuits, kinda like the XV-9. One of the things that I liked about the Tau pre-7th was that they seemed to be more-or-less immune to the whole "bigger is better" attitude that most races in 40k have. It made more sense for a young race of technologically advanced idealists to rely on more compact, practical solutions to their problems. (Like the AX-1-0, which is basically the tabletop equivalent of the Defiant from Star Trek).
>>47721846
Considering their stepping into a universe where mountainous warmachines are common, I'd find it odd if they didn't.
They just needed some time to learn that titans are practical.
>>47721951
>but I don't WANT to have giant robots
>too bad, shas'la
Tau are just like GW's fanbase!
>>47721403
GDI sonic cannon.
Who knew sound could be so destructive.
>>47721432
A mars pattern warlord battle titan could force a unconditional surrender from the entirety of the continental united states of america provided it was armed with a Quake cannon, a sunfury plasma annihilator and two melta cannons
>>47723254
Not even fucking close. A single Titan without support is a joke to a well-equipped force, even todays'.
>>47710233
Well, the Tau are asians in spess. And we all know how asians have tiny dicks.
It must be true, it's a stereotype.
>>47722046
kek;_;
>>47722046
>>but I don't WANT to have giant robots
>>too bad, shin'ji
Remember when the Broadside was the biggest Tau mech?
>>47723486
I do. The Tau were shit from the beginning.
>>47712447
No, her bone gets bigger when she can order around lesser DEldar
>>47722046
>too bad, shas'la
GW pls
pls give plastic sniper drones, vespid and more kroot
I want to run space NATO supporting the space guerillas, not robogundamtech.
>>47723269
Nah, the nukes are still the most powerful thing we have in military arsenal and it doesn't work against them.
Might as well try and outfight NEXTs or Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
>itt: Tau are silly gits
>hey guys let's talk about titans
>uhhh titans are so unrealistic, america could bring one down ez
>shut up cunt
>NUH-UH USA USA USA
>>47725406
That's not true on both counts you stupid weeb.
>a single unsupported giant mech doing anything
Sustained barrages of missile or artillery fire and constant strafing runs would eventually bring down the shields and then you just send a shitload of bunker busters and shape charge projectiles at the leg joints. A single Titan would do horrible damage to the US, but sooner or later it would be completely overrun.
Now a Titan supported by a few SM squads or IG companies that are geared specifically for protecting it, then they are completely fucked if they manage to also somehow refuel and rearm.
>hurr durr nukes are the strongest weapon ever in any kind of conflict
I don't understand why people think that nukes are somehow this magic superweapon that can be applied to literally any violent conflict scenario and somehow win it
>>47723205
>>47726813
>sooner or later it would be completely overrun
That better be in the space of an hour.
>>47726813
>A single titan managing to keep the entire US armed forces busy, and doing massive damage in the process.
At this point, it's a valid strategy. You just have to use the distraction to strike the command centers with the rest of your forces.
>constant strafing runs
You're gonna lose a lot of planes on those CIWS.
>>47720432
A 28mm battleship would be about two football fields long.
>>47727464
An imperial BB?
>>47725435
>M-MECHS AREN'T REALISTIC, THEY WOULDN'T BE VERY EFFECTIVE IN REAL LIFE
>this thread is discussing this completely unironically
I knew I shouldn't have left /m/ today. The one time I decide to visit my ancestral home of /tg/ and this is what it's become
