Because it was cheap, Burzum made some good songs, and I have a penchant for owning bad meme games.
But even though I know /tg/ hates this game, oddly enough every review I saw on YouTube and Amazon was very positive.
Is there actually any merit to this game at all, /tg/?
>>47687049
I know nothing of this game. Can someone explain this apparent 'shit' game?
>>47687263
So, a while ago a Norwegian metal musician burned a church down and murdered his friend. He was also a huge racist, though that may or may not have been a factor in the church-burning and friend-murdering.
Myfarog is the game he made in prison. It is, in a sense, the toilet wine of RPGs. As the maker is a notorious racist and, as mentioned before, murder-arsonist, it's kind of hard to uncouple the art from the artist for a lot of people.
>>47687320
To be fair, the rpg would be racist and rediculous pagan anti-historical and anti-christian garbage regardless of whether you could seperate it from varg or not, because that's how he wrote it
>>47687049
I'm led to believe that it's a competent D&D retroclone, but nothing special. There isn't much to make it jump out from other, similar games, but it isn't the new FATAL, which a lot of people seemed to expect.
>>47687320
....well then
>>47687263
>>47687320
>>47687360
Also, the entire fucking thing is written in Papyrus in gold font on white paper. Which should be a hanging crime all by itself, frankly.
>>47687263
>>47687320
It's not just uncoupling the two, it pushes his pagan neo-Nazi worldview pretty hard. That's not the real problem from the reviews I've read though. I mean, Gygax had some weird fucking views on morality and that doesn't taint D&D for me. The general impression that I have is that it's a mediocre-at-best system that does absolutely nothing new or interesting and isn't well put together in the first place
>>47687352
It does talk about "playing according to your own European nature", so it is basically all about nationalist bullshit, yeah.
I mean, I don't particularly mind games being used to explore concepts and ideas (I'm stoked for Red Markets, a game about economics and zombies), so a game that's "about" concepts of national, tribal and personal identities, and how those might clash or compliment each other, okay, sure. And yeah, I've heard the game is pretty good as a game whether or not it's the game to explore those ideas of nation/tribe/personal identity. The problem is that because it's out there as "the racist arson-murderer's game" that I maybe don't wanna be associated with that guy.
Like I say, uncoupling the art from the artist can be tricky sometimes.
>>47687438
>The problem is that because it's out there as "the racist arson-murderer's game" that I maybe don't wanna be associated with that guy.
pussy
>>47687360
It's actually a retro-clone of Middle Earth Roleplaying. Charts. Metric fuck-ton of charts.
>>47687320
Was your primary motivation in showing us this game to signal your anti-racist virtue to us?
Someone asked why the game was shit, and all you could do was screech "waaacist!"
>>47687398
>>47687382
Indeed.
if you like modifying your swimming roll based on how much wind there is of 5+ different kinds of wind, you might dig it.
There's one or two interesting ideas. The notion of the performance skill mechanically currying favor of the gods based on the strength of your performance is a cool idea. You could base an entire game around that.
>>47687382
I think that bothers me significantly more than anything else I've heard in this thread
>>47687398
>Gygax had some weird fucking views on morality
Hoo boy you've got that right.
>>47688128
Not OP, sorry.
>>47687438
I don't recall the other guy being his friend, but then, I've never been well versed on this dude.
Other than hearing about the church-burning and the bit in that metal documentary.
>>47688166
I bet your trophy case is filled with participation ribbons isn't it, faggot
>>47688135
>You could base an entire game around that.
You know, you're actually right. It still doesn't seem like a strong enough concept to salvage the system as a whole, though
>>47687320
It was self-defense (probable fact)
Most of the work on MYFAROG was completed after prison
And his racist viewpoint had absolutely nothing directly to do with the arsons or the Euronymous incident.
I'm interested in the system because of the research he allegedly did to redefine a traditional combat system. I haven't played it but I'm interested.
I'm not /pol/, but I can deal with over the top racialist rhetoric in my RPGs. I think it's sort of endearing.
>>47689097
>redefine a traditional combat system
if by "redefine" you mean " make it almost fucking unbearable with charts for every fucking thing, including aging by the second." then yes its "redefine."play Yggdrasil or Fate of the Norns, because it wasn't made by an Asshole.
>want to play jew
>no hand rubbing table
Dropped
>>47688128
He listed more than one issue, and all you could do was type out "waaacist" with a straight face?
>>47687438
Warning. European means scandi.
>>47688726
>gloating about vain accomplishments
>not having your rewards / throphies out of sight, in drawers etc
>living a life of sin
>>47690151
not him but
>murder-arsonist mentions: 2
>racist mentions: 2
well now looks like he listed a whole one (1) additional issue, you are technically correct but pedantic as fuck
>>47689097
The dead dude was stabbed like 20 times. Generally, that's not how self-defense works.
>>47688726
>Egalitarianism means uniformity in results/being, not that we should strive to give equal initial opportunities to people.
Dude.
>>47687320
How edgy is the actually game?
It would be hilarious if it stressed importance of tolerance and friendship in the most ernest Sunday school fashion possible.
>>47692144
>How edgy is the actually game?
It's a fantasy heartbreaker filtered through the lens of a Vikingboo who's never played anything other than the most mainstream of RPGs. The design philosophy is "random tables = realism".
>>47688166
>Society should value individual accomplishment
The weird thing is none of his views were that really controversial or anything. Just implemented in a incredibly strange manner.
Hell I don't even think he was trying to make a statement or anything. I just think he drink the Kool-Aid a bit trying to condense concepts of good and evil into a codified playable game format.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV1Xd_c5-wtZga3AectGCJ6prMpYPOeS5
>>47692199
So it doesn't even play entertaingly badly like Fatal and its bizarre obsession with enormous bell curves, random "Offensive humor is a thing, therfore offensive = funny" and rape? Pity.
>>47692232
A quick look at what wikipedia thinks egalitarianism is and I don't see that as excluding valuing individual accomplishments, rather it appears to be about not denying people the chance to accomplish things, or dismissing what someone does accomplish, based on their socioeconomic status, gender, race, etc.
So unless whoever wrote that forum post had found a radically different take on the philosophy, it does say somethign pretty fucked up. Namely that we should discriminate. That we should deny people a fair chance. That we should ignore the achievements of those who aren't in the pre-approved achievers group.
>>47688166
>Harrison Bergeron
>weird
At least post his "murdering babies is Lawful Good" shit or something.
>>47692443
No, it's mostly "white people get +2 to being honorable, brown people get +2 to throwing spears, notJews get +2 to appraisal checks" kind of racism, not the funny kind.
>>47687049
MYFAROG is just Kristian Vikernes sperging out entierly with his delusions of history and the world. He seems convinced that ancient germanic noblemen were paragons of flawless virtue and that only poorfags starts conflicts in germanic society. He also goes by the logic that all monotheistic desert religons are actively trying to undermine the germanic people and that they are trying to kill the germanic gods out of malice. It's confirmation bias the setting and the system is just laughable. The worst part is that he also designed MYFAROG as a teaching tool for his son.
>people hating on based Varg
He was right desu
>>47692022
He used a tiny folding knife and the dude tried to murder him first. The tiny knife thing convinced me it was self defense, if Varg set out to murder him then he had literally dozens of better weapons available to use besides that thing.
Varg even complained about it, he said that the little pen knife was really hard to use and that if he had wanted to kill the guy he would have used a real knife or one of the many weapons lying around the guys house.
Also: Actual IRL tested combat rules, woooohoo!
>>47692702
Because he's like the other Nordic shitheas who couldn't design a game to save his life.
The other stuff is just icing on the shit cake.
>>47692517
People always forget that orcs in that version of D&D were ALWAYS evil. Just like demons and devils.
Just like people forget that the paladin's mount was a god given spirit of good that some guy murdered out of spite, so yeah, the paladin would be honor bound to kill the motherfucker or fall for allowing his god's servant to be murdered.
It's just so much easier to take things out of context than it is to actually be bothered to think before hating internet quotes.
>>47692714
Didn't he say that the guy fell through some plate glass which caused all the wounds?
There's also the matter of the large amount of ordinance seized from him after his arrest. That's another matter, but Varg wasn't exactly innocent and sinless no matter how strangely kawaii he is.
>>47692476
>So unless whoever wrote that forum post
That would be E. Gary Gygax, the original creator of Dungeons & Dragons alongside Dave Arneson.
I don't disagree with your point, by the way, I'm just keeping you informed.
>>47692517
Technically I think he said that ENSLAVING (orc) babies is Lawful Good, but also probably wasted effort because orcs are always and can never be anything other than Evil.
Which I dislike. Note I say "dislike", not "disagree with". In his games Gary can run his orcs however he likes, but in MY games, the world is a bit more complicated than that.
>>47692745
Orc being ALWAYS EVIL and the uncomfortable racist undertones that brings is itself part of the weirdness.
>>47692903
>Orc being ALWAYS EVIL and the uncomfortable racist undertones that brings
Which Tolkien himself noticed and got bugged by, partially because of his Catholic sensibilities telling him inborn, unforgivable sin isn't/shouldn't be a thing. He just died before he could successfully lawyer his way into a solution.
>>47692648
That put me in mind of the book "Krampus" some how. Both Krampus and Santa are actually Norse deities/spiritual entities in that, and Krampus is posed as the more legitimate one.
Santa is a sell out who spitefully sided with encroaching outsiders/Judeo Christian God, and has an unpleasant alchemy lab where he distills the magical essence of countless creatures he has captured and killed into stuff he uses in his job.
He's also surprisingly tough and mean in a fight and virtually unstoppable. He is a veritable engine of destruction who slings around a viking pattern broadsword like it's not even there because he's pretty jacked.
Granted, Krampus isn't exactly nice either, but he's authentic and if he's fucking you over you probably deserve it somehow. Of course, his mother is Hel IIRC, so he wouldn't be nice. Being chained in a cave for centuries and being unable to die also kind of soured his disposition, although when he's recovered he's still a dick. (still the story takes place over a short period, so he might still be grouchy. But I think that's not the only thing. He really is a dick, but a dick with a purpose that is arguably just. The people he really fucks over in the story deserve it because they are worse than him OR Santa. By huge margins.)
>>47687049
It's too ideologically soaked to really be good. Whenever the political ideology of a game starts to bleed into the actual mechanics of a game, it starts being unplayable.
I sort of agree with the guy in terms of ethnic nationalism, though I think he's a bit too romantic about nordic paganism. Nobody forced the conversions to Christianity, they happened because Christianity actually offered something to the average, decent person besides a theoretical afterlife full of murderers, serial killers and everyone else who would probably end up in Hell in the Christian theology. It's not hard to see why the movement happened.
But there's a difference between agreeing with someone politically and wanting to see those politics bleed to the surface in everything you do. That's how you can identify a radical, there's a really great political cartoon from somewhere, it shows these three KKK guys standing around, and they start talking about "Bob." Bob only ever seems to care about niggers.
"Well, that's sort of the point, isn't it?" one of the other Klansmen says.
"Well sure, but not EVERYTHING is about niggers, sometimes I want to watch a football game, sometimes I want to go driving, I have a life outside of this hood, but all Bob can ever say is-"
At this moment (presumably) Bob walks up and says "Hey guys, how 'bout them fuckin Niggers right?" and everyone groans.
That's what this comes off as. The game takes time out of listing off actual rules to remind you not to trust the Jews. Come on Varg, we get it, the kikes subverted your culture, but this is the middle of the Sailing skill.
>>47693229
>Nobody forced the conversions to Christianity
But they did
Read about St Boniface and King Radboud of the Frisians for examples. There is even a case of priest stealing the children of people on the Orkney Isles until they converted.
>>47693271
Perhaps on some scale, but it was not, as it is often depicted, a gigantic Spanish-style purge of all nonbelievers. If anything enforcement of Christianity seems lukewarm at best in the North for the entire medieval period.
>>47693455
What? This thread has been extremely civil and reasoned, by 4chan standards. Did you even read the thread, friend?
>>47692232
Why should any society give a fuck about individual accomplishments, when individual accomplishments are always smaller and less meaningful than collective accomplishments?
>>47693455
calm down
>>47693682
Careful, anon, you're sounding dangerously communist. You may need 10,000 CCs of FREEDOM, delivered via drone strike. Because self-determination is the right of all human beings, unless they self-determine to be kebab or commie or anti-American in any way.
>>47693735
>Careful, anon, you're sounding dangerously communist.
>friendly reminder that christianity also has the same basic tenant of working together for a common goal.Catholic represent.
>>47687438
>I'm stoked for Red Markets,
Yeah yeah boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
>>47693782
But Christianity has never denied that individual people are capable of doing immense good on their own, or at the least directing large numbers of people to do good.
Strip away the fine details, for example, and the entire story of Moses and the Exodus is basically just that one man, if his faith in God is strong enough, can do anything.
>>47687263
It make a distinction between a light breeze, slight wind and no wind on a chart for how this affects swimming with actual different modifiers.
There is practically a chart for everything, all of which have utterly pointless filler options that take up most of each chart.
>>47694035
Sounds like he made a retarded version of GURPS.
>>47693577
Denmark seems have mostly converted to Christianity to avoid any justified invasions by contemporary irate Germans.
Hell, most conflicts in central Europe seems to come from germans. They just seem to have a higher sperg count than other regions.
>>47694082
It's more like another OSR game from another norsemen who tries too hard to make something different and fails at what makes a OSR game so nice.
>>47694247
Another Scandinavian setting that is pretty cool is Trudvang. Unlike MUHFAROG it's not about contemporary political agendas, but instead it's based on Norse mythology, folklore, paganism and the mysteries of the wild untamed forests.
>>47695414
That one I was interested in for along time now.
What was the name of the Sweedish D&D game? It's english translation was demons and dragons or something?
Also another one I heard good things about was Ydrassigll, which was published by Cubicle 7, who does good historical fantasy settings.
>>47695414
>running a viking RPG
>it's not Fate of the Norns
It's like you hate glory
>>47695457
It's called Drakar och Demoner in Sweden. They are putting out an english translation of it, or they have already gotten there. I think Riotminds, the studio has decided to go with the brand Trudvang Chronicles. They are also decided to relaunch Drakar och Demoner as the basic generic it started out as in the mid 1980's. Mostly because they realised the average consumer doesn't want to get into RPG's anymore because the core books looks like university level study books with too many rules to learn.
>>47687320
>It is, in a sense, the toilet wine of RPGs
kek'd. I tip my skull filled with flowers to you.
>>47695665
>Mostly because they realised the average consumer doesn't want to get into RPG's anymore because the core books looks like university level study books with too many rules to learn
Ain't that the truth, though they are cheaper than the average textbook.
If I had a choice again for something more old school rather than Nordic in tone games, my first instinct is to go to Labrynth Lord, if only the guys behind are based as hell.
Just read the first few pages of Mutant Future, their Not!Gamma World, and see what I mean.
>>47693948
>if his faith in God is strong enough, can do anything.
Because he was predetermined to. It had nothing to do with his actual ability to lead.
>>47695659
Trudvang is not a straight adaptation of Norse mythology, but it's rather inspired by it. Vikings is also not the major focus of the setting. There are at least four major human cultures.
There are the obligatory Norsemen/Vikings at the east side of the continent. Their pantheons are very similar to the ones from Norse mythology and they are very big on blood sacrifices.
Then there are the 7'th - 9'th century fantasy-Christian in the west. Their culture is germanic with a knightly ruling class that serges under the church.
There are Celts that are big on hero worshipping legends in the Middle of the continent. They sort of serve as a barier between the west and the east cultures that are at odds with eachother.
Last are the raiding barbaric tribes in the north. They have yet to develop any significant civilisation that thrives on a functional economy like the other three cultures. They also smell terrible because they substitute clothes by rubbing themselves with blubber to protect themselves against the cold.
>>47695902
Yeah, Labyrinth Lord is a pretty cool dungeon crawler. What Riotminds are doing with Drakar och Demoner is basically bringing back the nostalgic old school fantasy that was popularised in the 1980's in Sweden. They want a product that they can sell in bookstores that will appeal to old and new players.
>>47692961
WE
>>47688128
Fuck off, >>>/pol/
Jesus fucking Christ. Even when you guys have a point, you're still retarded.
And to answer your inane mouth-noise, yes; even if it's solid game design, it's still morally repugnant.
>>47688166
No. In this instance, he is 100%, completely right and you're an idiot for not seeing what a worthless faggot you are.
Now go cry, Bitch.
>>47688166
What's wrong with believing that?
>>47696941
;orality changes every year and country, basing somrthing on it isn't very smart desu. Or would you hang fags bevause is moral in iran?
>>47692947
It's a game about killing shit.
It's simpler that way.
>>47690157
>tfw nobody ever talks about this
So much for being the light of trento and the foremost world explorers spain and portugal...
>>47696941
That anger you feel is dissonance, because you think people who politically disagree are evil, yet see I still have a point, you produce flustered comments like this.
Almost every post about why the game is 'shit' have to do with people not liking the creator wanting to show off how 'hip' they are by saying the game must be a tainted work of evil by association.
>>47687360
Basically this. Much as people want the crazy varg nazi metal aryan game to be incomprehensible gibberish, most mechanical critiques of Myfarog could equally be applied to Shadowrun 5e.
>>47697174
Because it's nuts.
>>47697441
>why is it wrong?
>because it is
Come on now anon
>>47697353
His politics is so ingrained into the game that it is almost impossible to critique it without it being brought up in some way or another.
>>47697441
I mean it's a very 20th century idea that many in America believed in.
I would guess it would not make sense in a 21st century mindset, but it still is a valid idea.
>>47697494
Bringing up an critiquing the politics in games is fine, see how anons here critique new WoD Changling shit? When all you do is circumnavigate why the game is shit by saying "he's bad and it's bad by proxy," what you have is a narrative, not an argument.
>>47696941
So what you're saying is that the game literally triggers you.
>>47692714
>Actual IRL tested combat rules, woooohoo!
SKR plz go
>>47696325
You speak like a filthy calvinist.
Are you a heretic, anon?
>>47688338
It wasn't his friend, it was an ex-workmate and they hated each other. It's hard to believe a criminal, but Varg claimed that Euronymous wanted him dead too.
>>47697645
Right, but he used Papyrus as the typeface.
>>47688166
He's right. We aren't born equally and you'd be foolish to think that a society based solely around egalitarian principles would flourish.
>>47697529
I generally don't like the game because of how many useless charts there is in the book halts the game from being played, it's an old school game that took the one thing from old school games that didn't need to be brought up.
If I wanted old school games, there are better games out there to play.
If you want to play it, go ahead, I'm not telling you to not, I'm just saying I don't like it, for those reasons alone.He is still a shit, imo, but that doesn't have anything to do with my opinion of the game at hand.
>>47698131
Again, most people's immediate complaint about this game is that it was literally made by Hitler and le papyrus instead of the actual mechanics.
>>47694149
They just wanted to be relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>47698192
Nice meme video but Franks were germanic
>>47697281
I've been in Iran and they claim that only pedos are hanged and that the country is a gay paradise because old farts will reproach you for going out with random girls but there's no problem if you're just hanging with your bro.
It can only be half-true, of course, but makes it very clear that "hanging fags" is not "moral in Iran".
>>47698294
It seems likely that they can tack on enough semi-related "moral" crimes if they wanted to get someone executed for being gay.
I don't know if they do, but it wouldn't be difficult.
>>47698294
Ask those old men who fuck boys if they're gay.
If you are a western gay who wants to have homosexual relationships (live together), you will be hung/stoned.
Also true in Saudi Arabia
>>47698350
That's because homosexual identity as it's seen in the west makes no sense to be quite honest. Even the muslim approach is better. But those are politics and don't belong here.
>>47698415
>killing gays is not seen as moral
>gays are killed
>it's because 'gay' makes no sense
They are still hung, goal post moving aside.
>>47696941
I sure hope that you yell at people for celebrating moon landing becouse von braun used to work for nazis. And that you spit on volkswagen beetle wherever you see one becouse hitler was credited one of co-designers of that despicable murder-machine. And you never use aspirin becouse bayer produced zyklon b during the war thus making aspirin a vile extract of satan's dick.
>>47688128
In his defense, the racism is really the only thing separating MYFAROG from any other shitty D&D retroclone.
>>47692714
>>47697538
KEK
Combat Rules tested IRL are the bestest senpai!
>>47692714
well he shouldn't have been attacked in Sweden then?or, IMO, not have people wanting to kill you.
>>47693948
>the Exodus is basically just that one man
And his bro, atleast.
Because he complained to God he's an absolutely disastrous public speaker.
>>47687382
>the entire fucking thing is written in Papyrus in gold font on white paper
Holy fuck, that's like the hallmark of crazy cranks.
>>47698350
>you will be hung
It's "hanged".
>>47699237
or maybe you need to be well-endowned to even dare risk it?
>>47699296
I knew SOMEONE would try to make a dick joke out of that.
>>47697353
>That anger you feel is dissonance, because you think people who politically disagree are evil, yet see I still have a point, you produce flustered comments like this.
It's probably more because for some reason you still had to distort and misrepresent the first guy while making your point. Guess you missed that bit about him saying you were a retard, right? Or rather, instead chose to gloss it over with a more pretentiously verbose version of "umadbro xD".
>>47697476
Actually his point was "it's nuts", which would suggest he considers it irrational and/or misinformed to the point of incoherence.
Strawman harder.
>>47699341
I regret nothing!
>>47688166
How's it feel to be so wrong you little shit? Gygax is right.
>>47699363
No one was misrepresented, the guy was saying the game was bad because the creator is racist and and a murderer/arsonist, and therefore the game is tainted fruit.
"It's wrong"
"Why?"
"It's nuts"
Yeah, what a total strawman, how could I ever presume he meant nuts = wrong
Consider the empty thoughts you type out before dressing people down for verbose pretense.
>>47687049
It's just mediocre, stogy and redundant which while benign my also be the worst thing an RPG can be.
>all this misinformation spread by people who don't own the game
>papyrus
Not relevant since he released 2nd edition which uses Helvetica I believe
>charts
A majority of the charts in 1st edition were suggestions for modifiers and many unnecessary charts have been cut out. MYFAROG is not at all a chart heavy game
However, the presentation is still far from perfect and until you're familiar with the system you'll be flipping all over the book. Character creation, for example, requires information from three sections, one depending on chosen role.
I was most disappointed by his advertising suggesting it was d6 only when in fact it uses a standard dice set, although it emphasizes the d6.
>>47692853
Yeah, if I recall his home was found to contain around 3000 rounds of ammunition, explosives etc and he was planning a terrorist attack on a bunch of anarchist leftists - but remember, if you call his game mean things, THAT's the real hate crime.
>>47693229
I mean, I guess there's a balance somewhere, right? Games can be about different topics, settings can convey ideas, game fiction and even mechanics and be used to describe reality. So, like, you can have a game ABOUT nationalism and you might be even able to make that work and not be a shitty game, so long as you make sure that it's a game capable of exploring nationalism from different angles and not "nationalism, except the kind of nationalism where my nation is great and everyone else lives in mud huts"
>>47701618
>Not relevant since he released 2nd edition.
Was it such a hit in the Norsemen Metal Circles he could make another edition of it?
>>47702402
He originally only did print runs of a 100 and recouped his loss on every one, so he could have kept shitting them out, but he didn't.
He decided to improve based on feedback instead. Say what you will about his politics, but he seems committed to deliver the most polished RPG he can
>>47702509
Please, go fuck yourself, Varg, you retarded fuckhead.
And stop shilling your bad D&D clone here. Keep to your gay thread in /pol/, you dumb faggot.
>>47700173
Different anon here but like
It may not be strawman but it's still not an argument.
>>47702607
You seem pretty mad, cuckboy.
>>47702635
You've been trying to shill here for the last few years. Telling you to go fuck yourself is just the routine response.
Now, fuck off with your amateur shit.
>>47702607
You seem upset that I'm bringing original information and facts to a myfarog thread, when mostly it has been shitposters on both sides who
don't own the game.
By the way, >>47702635 isn't me, and I doubt Varg would go on 4chan to shill his game when he has his hugbox of a YouTube channel.
>>47702680
Technically Varg is a professional because he makes money off of his books.
>>47702848
Varg, just stop this charade already. You come every few months, shill your awful amateur shit, and then try to complain that the people who call you out on being an idiot and a hack either hate you because you're a racist or because they haven't seen your game.
And then, someone posts a few pages, we laugh at how shit the whole game is, and you run off, hoping that we'll all have forgotten in a few months.
So, do us all a favor, and fuck off and stop trying to shill your retarded, poorly-written, pointless and mechanically-inept ego vehicle. You're shit at game design, and your endless shilling will never change that.
>>47698707
Patently false, MYFAROG is a 3D6 roll over system with completely different combat mechanics.
>>47703198
I'm >>47701618 you know. If I were Varg shilling his game would I point out drastic flaws in it?
Why are you so adamantly against a game you have never played, much less read? How can you back up your assertion that the game design is shit; with a quote from a certain metal news outlet that provides outdated and blatantly cherry-picked information?
>>47703327
>Why are you so adamantly against a game you have never played, much less read?
>pic related
>>47703327
Varg, stop. You do this every time, and it's clear you're demented.
Want to bait people to talk about your game? Sorry, but bad D&D ripoff #987 just isn't an exciting topic of discussion. That's why these threads are always just shitty /pol/ crap mixed with you shilling a game that's worse than what you can found online for free.
Want people to discuss your shitty game? Upload a pdf, so people interested can see how awful it is without giving you any money. The pages people post already are worth a chuckle, while the whole thing is just a giant joke.
Anyway, here's a last fuck off, with a go kill yourself for good measure, you spamming retard.
You guys are too harsh on Varg. He's a nice guy.
>>47703400
Here's your (you)
I was going to respond to another claim in the thread but I realized I adressed every specific criticism of the system/presentation in >>47701618
>>47703563
He'd be nice if he stopped spamming in hopes of building up a little cult of faggots.
But, since he's as retarded as his game is, it's likely he will never stop. That's how mentally fucked he is.
>>47703602
the collective of /tg/ have determined it's a shit game, what makes you think that a new edition without the meme font or the removal of "optional charts" would change most fa/tg/uys opinions of him or his game, which by the way i can play something more well made, and not made by someone who can't separate his world view from his product?
>>47698415
How does being gay make no sense? Some dudes like to fuck dudes. Pretty simple.
>>47703687
Excellent bandwagon appeal.
By my assessment the "collective of /tg/" doesn't give a damn about the system either way, and the only people who have "determined it's a shit game" are members of a vocal minority who simply repeat what they've heard from a single outdated article, supplemented by reasonable, but irrelevant, attacks on Varg's character.
The most likely cause for this is the fact that the OP for MYFAROG threads invariably don't have a copy, so the only content the threads can support is endless uninformed shitposting.
>>47692903
>uncomfortable racist undertones
>orcs
>>47702613
What argument would you propose as a counter to "It's nuts"
You can't refute with an argument a non argument.
>>47688166
Congrats on being retarded anon.
>>47692476
I'm familiar with this view of egalitarianism, so let me help you with that:
>Namely that we should discriminate.
Yes, you must discriminate to establish order, and order is necessary for society to exist in that same way that groups require some modicum of conformity to operate. It's the same reason why multiculturalism is an antithesis to a healthy, functioning society.
>That we should deny people a fair chance.
If by "deny" you mean "do not support", then yes. If you mean "actively deter", no. A fair chance is not given, but earned.
>That we should ignore the achievements of those who aren't in the pre-approved achievers group.
That seems unrelated to either side of the argument. If you mean "haves vs. have-nots" and achievement only possible by right of inheritance, who are we to decide that a privileged child's parents do not deserve to twink out their kid with all affordable advantages? They earned that chance for their offspring, and denying it would be unfair.
>>47699363
>Actually his point was "it's nuts", which would suggest he considers it irrational and/or misinformed to the point of incoherence.
>Strawman harder.
>>47704111
I am honestly stunned by your apparent beliefs. It is unfortunate that we appear to disagree so strongly that I am not willing to discuss it with you, because such a discussion if rewarding would be valuable. But I do not anticipate that a discussion with you on this topic would be rewarding at all.
>>47704111
>That seems unrelated to either side of the argument. If you mean "haves vs. have-nots" and achievement only possible by right of inheritance, who are we to decide that a privileged child's parents do not deserve to twink out their kid with all affordable advantages? They earned that chance for their offspring, and denying it would be unfair.
"s-someday i'll own this boot!" cries the man getting his face stomped.
holy fuck I guess the tumblr invasion of /tg/ has begun
>>47695659
>Andrew Valkauskas
why does his last name sound so lithuanian?
cant find that hes from there or anything
>>47697781
Euronymous was arguably a bigger arse than Varg. Not saying he deserved to die, but he's not the sort of guy I mourn the loss of.
>>47697781
I'm less inclined to belive Varg because he is paranoid delusional.
>>47697975
Egalitarism is just the idea that everyone should get a fair chance of not fucking up their lives just because they were born at the wrong place and/or in the wrong family. It's not communism.
>>47697781
Eruonymous either pulled a shotgun just as the fight started or had it ready when Varg got there.
desu, i think Neither of them wanted the other dead, they were just paranoid that the other DID, and that lead to them fighting to the death
>>47706099
Not liking a murderer who burned down historical churches because he loved Odin so much and made a game entirely in papyrus isn't Tumblr.
>>47709037
Fucking this. Behead those that defend Varg.
>>47695414
>>47695665
>>47695659
>>47696440
Trudvang is great, i love that setting.
I also love its art.
>>47709152
>>47709152
>>47709170
Yeah, it's pretty grand.
>>47692563
kek
kinda funny tho
>>47709256
>>47696325
More likely he was just in the right place at the right time. Had it not been him there, someone else would've been given the task.
>>47688166
Gygax was absolutely right on this point. Too bad our fragile millennials are going to take 40 years to realizing it, after failing in their egalitarian experiments all over again, just like the last generation.
>>47696325
>Predestination
Heretics GET OUT REEEE
>>47688166
You will die. Everything you have done in your life will be forgotten. They will ignore everything you ever fought for and they may even laugh at you.
>>47688166
Human beings are and always will be nonrational, nepotistic social animals, not utility-maximizing economic individualists.
>>47709633
The economic term is 'satisficing'.
>>47708798
>Egalitarism is just the idea that everyone should get a fair chance of not fucking up their lives just because they were born at the wrong place and/or in the wrong family. It's not communism.
That is the old definition. The new definition, promulgated throughout academia and government departments, demands equality of outcomes. Your (old) definition has been branded a micro-aggression on university campuses.
>>47695414
Too bad it's Paywall: The Game unless you're swedish. I made a sub-par translation of Trudvang myself for use with my friends when I moved abroad.
I got really excited when I heard of an official edition in English, only to see riotminds implementing bad ideas at every step of the way. In an age of Roll20 and pdfs, they decided to make a paywall wiki for tablets. Every player has to subscribe. All the assets are online. They're bigger "always online" idiots than Microsoft. Thank god there's Symbaroum.
>>47692853
>Didn't he say that the guy fell through some plate glass which caused all the wounds?
I mean, he might have said that, but we have the ability to tell the difference between cuts from glass shards and stabs from small knives these days, so I doubt anybody bought it.
>>47693948
Yeah, but that's not fair, Moses was the best Prophet. He ground gold to dust with his bare hands and called his God's bluff
>>47710347
>>47692853
>>47692714
>>47692022
Varg has like 17 different stories about how and why he murdered Euronymous. He's a bullshitter. It wasn't self-defense.
>>47709875
Yeah, I would just copy all the text, art, resources and put it in a pdf if I had the time.
>>47687320
>>47696941
>>47702607
here is the reddit colonizer cancer that has been poisoning /tg/ for years
>>47711470
/tg/ was never impressed by Varg. At best /tg/ found him to be an amusing freak rather than admirable.
>>47711470
I seem to recall that even /pol/ regards Varg as someone in the greenpill category.
>>47711537
>/tg/ is the reddit shitposting crew
lad..
>designs autistic RPG as a teaching device for his wife's son
Top kuk!
>>47711575
I can tell you must be new and underage.
>>47711636
t. reddit
>>47711575
>Everyone who disagrees with is Reddit. Or Tumblr. Or something
>Point is, I'm real /tg/ and I'm here to protect this board from outside invaders
>I'm DEFINITELY NOT trying to turn it into an alt-right hugbox like w- I mean, certain people not related to me in any way did to /v/
>t. definitely not /pol/
>>47711750
>>47711636
>>47711537
>>47711560
Hey Reddit!
>>47711750
but if you're calling hugboxing while screaming down alternate ideas to your own with the intent of shutting down anyone you see as outside your comfort zone, isn't that hypocritical? aren't you equally guilty of trying to turn the place into a hugbox as the /pol/ fuck?
>>47711750
Guess you are now a #CruzMissle now as well, Not!Redditor
>>47711670
>>47711778
t. This is my first summer here. No bully!
>>47687352
wait fucking Varg ,made this? eh could be worth a look, can't be worse then the shitheap thats holy racial war.
>>47711834
hola reddito
>>47711801
Mind pointing out where I screamed down alternate ideas? The only posts I've made here have been about why it's a shit system regardless of the guy's beliefs.
Ugh, this game is, like, so problematic and I can't EVEN right now.
>>47687320
>waaaaaaa politics that i dont agree with waaaaaaaa HES RACIST!! WAAAAAA
Complain about racism, homophobia, transphobia, paedophobia on your tumblr kween bitch nigger.
>>47711850
Jesus Christ, Kristian. Give it a rest.
>>47711879
>You can't complain about other people's views! Only I'm allowed to do that!
>>47711904
zdravstvuyte redditskaya
>>47711847
It's not, because at least you can play it,if you want to.
>>47711936
Well yeah, duh, havn't you been paying attention? I thought everyone knew that
>>47711879
Neh. I just complain about Kristian Vikernes because he has no clue about how reality works outside of his head.
>>47711993
>>47711943
>>>/r/Varg
>>47687320
>Race realism = racism
WOW it's like I don't even have to go to Tumblr!
>>47690188
>I'm going to point out how I'm wrong but also going to declair myself right in the same breath!
>That way somehow you're the autist, not me!
>>47712009
Glad to see you are accepting your situation.
>>47712032
hail, reddit
>>47712072
>>47711750
An epic win against the /pol/ racists my good sir, the gold has been sent to your account, and I have left a hefty helping of an up vote! ;)
The most butthurt man in northern Europe.
>>47712212
>tips viking helmet
>>47711560
What the hell is "greenpill"?
>>47712039
>Race realism = racism
Here we have the race war fetishist forcing his cuck fantasies on the rest of us.
>>47712313
>>>/x/not telling you to leave, just look at /x/
Varg is however, is Redpilled.
>>47687398
What is it about paganism that always attracts weird eugenic bullshit? That's probably beyond the scope of this thread, though.
>>47688166
>Bait for people who can't tell the difference between equality and conformity
From each according to his or her ability and to each according to his or her need. Will never stop being an ideal worth striving for.
>>47688135
I'd play that.
>>47688726
You're bitching about awards for participation on a thread about playing a game where nobody wins and collaborative action is necessary to advance the plot.
>>47712424
Nah, he is all green pills and hams.
>>47712424
Can I take that to mean "I'm not saying aliens, but...aliens"?
>>47692745
Yeah, I'm just not comfortable with race based alignments. Seems like with all the good aligned people who are incredibly badass including actual physical gods, someone should have killed them off by now. So it feels like bad worldbuilding that an evil race would last more than a few generations.
>>47712515
I think it's more like Kristian thinks his pagan gods are real and that all the monotheistic and Asian religions are out to kill them.
>>47712436
>What is it about paganism that always attracts weird eugenic bullshit?
because of the Aryan Race bullshit that was apart of the Nazi occult leanings.
though i know some pretty chilled Druids bros who hang out the game store sometimes, probably because they smoke a little of that Legal Mary Jane.not Colorado,btw.
>>47693735
I realize this is a joke but I'm not 100% sure I believe in self determination.
Like really. I've read too much about stupid shit the human brain and hormones and shit do and now I'm not really sure that I have free will. Not to mention that literally everyone seems afraid to make individual decisions these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747cvo8Lkjw This related. Not for the actual issue, but this guy is trying to say some of the richest motherfuckers in the world can't choose to do things differently because their hands are tied by "the system."
So... It sort of makes it seem like no one is driving this machine.
>>47712526
Not knocking on you or anything, I'm actually getting sick of the posts trying to undermine one side or the other through attacks on the posters instead of the ideas. HOWEVER, regarding morality in game systems...
What about not having a mechanical alignment-system at all in the sense of good vs evil? Am I just missing something about what most systems mean when they say lawful vs chaotic and good vs evil? How about a system that doesn't attempt to analyze characters this way? I like old-school Star Wars as much as the next nerd, and such stories can focus on courage in the face of overwhelming tyranny well enough. But, reality IS ultimately more complex than A New Hope, is it not?
Pic related as I think this movie would like to have a word on the capabilities of stories with perpetual villains and heroes, versus stories without.
>>47712629
No one was ever driving the machine. That's why humans invented gods so that they might tell themselves that someone is driving the machine.
>>47698192
>Ronald Reagan
>Hand of Mercy
>>47709037
The burning down churches thing is actually kind of awesome, but the murder thing is silly. And Papyrus wasn't even acceptable in 2001.
>>47712212
Wasn't Christianity as we know it created by the Byzantine Empire?
>>47712436
>What is it about paganism that always attracts weird eugenic bullshit?
It's not like it doesn't attract a lot of left leaning crackpots as well. I think it's more that it's the perfect religion for people want to be "alternative." It's got all the mom-upsetting powers of atheism, but it gives you actual practices to rub in people's faces instead having to make do with never shutting up about all the things you aren't doing. Like Buddhism or Hinduism, you can pretend to have the moral high ground since most Westerners are only familiar with the bad shit done in the name of Abrahamic religions, but since (outside of the Roman and Greek pantheons) we have so few reliable sources about the nitty-gritty of pre-Christian European religious practices, and since there was probably a huge amount of variation between different areas and time periods anyway, you can make up whatever beliefs or practices you want without someone who actually knows there shit making you look like a poser. It's all the upsides of the Church of Satan minus the entrance fee
>>47712927
No, it's vandalism of culture heritage. If Barg really did burn down that church he is basically as bad as the culture he claims to hate. He would just be part of a cycle of destruction and that would male him a nigger.
>>47712965
Sort of? Both the Eastern and Western Roman Empires did a lot to standardize and codify Christian belief. "Created" is a very strong word though.
>>47712559
Yeah...
I was raised by the irish american version of this. You know all that Michael Tsarion/Nicholas Devere shit? My family supposedly has the right to a nonviolent living as shit tier priests, artists, and scammers because muh fee heritage.
Still pisses me off.
>>47712973
Sounds like a religion for edgy larpers with armchair degrees in history, religion, social orientation and politics.
>>47712549
>I think it's more like Kristian thinks his pagan gods are real and that all the monotheistic and Asian religions are out to kill them.
Does he not realize that their are other pantheon that aren't Norse, that has not only been hurt by monotheism but by the Vikingd as well?
>>47712663
Totally fine with that. It's one of the reasons I like Shadowrun... it's one of the more popular systems where most characters aren't "evil" or "good." Even toxic shamanism and bug spirits are crazy or using blue and orange morality.
>>47712821
But every god in every religion I've read about is kind of an asshole. Why not invent a non asshole god?
>>47712973
Left leaning crackpots can also be into weird eugenic bullshit, actually. But yeah. You're right about that.
>>47713002
I never thought of it that way. Thanks.
>>47713088
If it's not germanic he is is probably suspicious of it.
>>47713096
But every god in every religion I've read about is kind of an asshole. Why not invent a non asshole god?
People kinda did with Jesus. Then Romans and pagans decided that he was some kind of war deity.
>>47713088
He believes that other nations supposed to care for their pantheons themselves.
>>47713239
>People kinda did with Jesus. Then Romans and pagans decided that he was some kind of war deity
It was one of the ways the early church try to sell it to, surprise, the germanic tribes.
>>47713077
>>47713096
>>47712973
Is 4chan even the best place for someone to try to explain all the details about the different types of religions, various functions of myths etc., regardless of how much they know on the subject? Especially since no one on 4chan is truly immune to the response of "tl;dr, armchair intellectual tries to educate us."
Hell I'd love to join-in on a discussion about archetypes and ways that things like giants can be interpreted. I even agree with some people about the annoying LARPer types trying to claim one religion or another, but I'm equally annoyed with people who attack anything Germanic as incapable of being a "legit" religion, especially in cases where the same people accept practices we can arguably say were invented within the last hundred years or so as valid. But is this /really/ the place to do that?
/tg/ impresses me at times with the crazy shit the user-base comes-up with, but the site in general also depresses me at times.
>>47713367
I have only been in a single good theology thread on /tg/ in the last 5 years. So trying to get a good theology and culture thread going without shitposting is generally too much effort. Trying to talk about it in a MUHFAROG thread is often a waste of time in between the shitposting and the /pol/terzeitgeist opinions.
>>47712212
He is right though.
>>47713608
He is also very biased and is kind of a faggot luddite.
>>47688166
Go back to Tumblr, AIDS-infected faggot.
>>47688086
How is that any different from Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k RPGs?
>>47713527
>>47713367
Sometimes /x/ or /pol/ will have a theology thread with some pretty intelligent discussion. There is always shitposting as well, though.
It's probably beyond the scope of /tg/, though.
>>47687049
Are there scans of this, or is it available as a PDF on online stores like DriveThru?
>>47688166
The problem is that he's referring to egalitarianism as a social philosophy, while the people who get mad about this line are looking at egalitarianism as a legal principle.
In short, it can mean either, and you're all faggots who need to jump ass-first onto a barrel of erect penises.
>>47709875
We just need a socialist Finnish economy that guarantees us a basic living stipend, then we'll be able to afford paying for the paywall.
>>47713753
>MYFAROG
>on drivethrurpg
I can't imagine that ending well for the company.
So probaby not on there, best chance is to pirate it.
>>47713797
>We just need a socialist Finnish economy that guarantees us a basic living stipend, then we'll be able to afford paying for the paywall.
Why not make one ourselves?
Base it on that, plus the dice rolling system of the Russian RPG.
>>47713699
It's probably a waste of time on 4chan in general, which is quite sad,
>>47713852
>It's probably a waste of time on the internet in general, which is quite sad.
FTFY, because you get all sorts of people acting like shitters online.
It's not just a 4chan, reddit, or a tumblr thing. The internet is just cancerous.
>>47713655
So are you
>>47713938
>>Human beings are just cancerous
>>You get all sorts of people acting like shitters
>>47713852
But I like 4chan. People actually talk about things. If a thread gets shitty, I can just close it and it's gone.
>>47714031
At least he didn't kill a guy.
>>47713655
And since when is having a bias a bad thing? Everyone has one, if anything, his biases can help people judge whether to take him seriously or not.
>>47714061
Welcome to the internet, where people can post anonymously without much consequence.
At least in real life the shutter is in punchable distance.
>>47687049
From what I've heard (and I've been keeping my ears to the ground about this game for a while), MYFAROG is surprisingly tame in its pushing of neo-pagan ideology. I remember one anon on 8gag described it less as "this is the superior/correct ideology" and more as "this is just how it is in this setting."
The real question is, do you like the setting of MYFAROG? This question actually has 3 answers (Yes, No, Ironically), and there's still a reason to play the game whatever your answer to that question is.
If you do happen to be of the stormfag/neo-pagan persuasion, you'll probably be happy to have an RPG with an alt-right setting and better rules than Racial Holy War.
If, like the vast majority of people, you're not a stormfag neopagan, MYFAROG will be less enjoyable but no less memorable. Playing MYFAROG will probably feel like reading Catcher in the Rye: you know the person who made this is crazy, and you want to find out just how crazy from his perspective.
If, like me, you're not a stormfag but enjoy ironic 1488 shitposting on /pol/, MYFAROG is similar to Dungeons The Dragoning in that you can make fun meme characters. There are not many RPGs where you can make hunch-backed hook-nosed Sicarii (Jewish) merchants trying to deceive and corrupt the innocent aryans while still being setting appropriate.
>>47692947
What's there to lawyer? Orc gets justifiably killed because he's a goddamn pest in earthly form, then cleansed in the Halls of the Dead and plays the waiting game along with every other longear. Seems like an easy solution.
>>47714152
>his biases can help people judge whether to take him seriously or not
That's like saying "Since when is leprosy a bad thing? The visible scales can help people judge whether to avoid him in fear and repulsion or not."
If he wasn't biased as he his, taking him seriously wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
>>47713938
You mean the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory? Give a man accountability and an audience, he'll be polite. Give a man anonymity and an audience, he'll be a shitheel.
>>47714266
>>47714266
>. There are not many RPGs where you can make hunch-backed hook-nosed Sicarii (Jewish) merchants trying to deceive and corrupt the innocent aryans while still being setting appropriate.
I think I would play that. Whole party of stereotypical merchant characters rubbing their hands together in glee and shoving stacks of gold coins up their asses and eating babies and shit.
>>47708917
They were literally edgy teenagers playing dark&cool and that's mostly it, it just went out of hands. Vikernes was 20 or 21 when he did all that, a lot of people is retarded at that age.
It's not like he didn't pay the price, he lost the best years of a man's life rotting in prison.
>>47712526
Those systems normally include evil counterparts to the badass/divine good guys. And normally it's the current protagonists the ones who are currently doing this task of "killing them off" or something similar.
You can argue that it's a boring way to do a setting and we could agree, but it's not inconsistent per se.
>>47714963
Scandinavian prison though.
>>47713239
Well Jesus does some badass asskicking in Revelation. He literally fights a dragon.
>>47692714
HisFAROG: The game with the most accurate ittybitty knife stabbing rules
>>47714268
He needed/wanted the orcs to be able to make the choice of not being evil.
>>47715311
Well, he's Norwegian, what did you expect? Better than the alternative in the USA.
>>47712212
I bet Varg thinks the Romans were Nordic, too.
>mfw he hates people he thinks are his ancestors, probably claims greek/roman achievements as "nordic" achievements while simultaneously blaming them for destroying his culture with christianity
top kek
nordicists are the cancer killing white nationalism
>>47687049
Not reading this whole thread but it seems that the general consensus is that this game is too bloated.
That said, how's the setting? Is it KVLT \m/ like you would expect?
>>47715471
>we will never get a Tolkien book about the orc who gained free will and his terrifying struggle to spread it to all other orcs.
>>47715512
>http://metalkings.com/reviews/Burzum-Varg-Vikernes/Burzum-Varg-Vikernes-eng-2011.htm
>"The ancient Greek philosophers where blonde and blue-eyed, and even then talked about how their race was mixed with others, and how this affected their society negatively."
Holy shit, you're right.
>>47715558
see >>47714266
>>47715558
>Not reading this whole thread
90% of the discussion in here is the setting.
Just read the fucking thread man. All your questions have been answered at length.
It's original and does not follow the zionist SJW agenda.
For me that's enough to be a very good game.
Ad argumentandum, it was also based on the nordic mythology.
