Not AoS or 30k Edition
>Rules databases
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>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
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>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
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How would you run a Malal army?
Which is your most beloved unit in your army?
Which one has net you the most points ever?
>>47672326
My Deredeo dreadnought, Ancient Valentine. His current average is 500 points of killed models per game, while his all-time record is 1600 points. This is a 255 point model that is so badass, I named him the captain of my first company.
>>47672326
well my new favorite is the bloodthrister i finished last week and the most useful model is the burning chariot or a daemon prince
![necron_overlord_by_nicholaskay-d5enu6s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QISWPju.jpg "necron_overlord_by_nicholaskay-d5enu6s[1].jpg")
This thread is Undead!
>>47672326
>Which is your most beloved unit in your army?
Interrogator Chaplin
>Which one has net you the most points ever?
Multimelta Attack Bikes. 55pts 2w Multimelta s with scout? Yeah that's gonna double its points all day.
>start up a Daemons army
>tfw can use them for AoSif I wanted
>tfw can use them for HH
live is good as warpspawn
>>47672326
Probably my Archmagos, just finished converting and building her this afternoon. Wanted something very different from the hunched, scary Dominus.
>>47672319
Use a Chaos version of the Grey Knights. Malal and his followers are against everyone, but they love to fight their fellow Chaotics the most. They should be able to use the CSMs' lackluster codex against them. Just give every Son of Malice model a book instead of proper weapons, and have them beat other CSMs to death with their own codex.
>>47672438
>that Magos
Woman, cover your fleshy bits. The machine spirits are too young for that.
>>47672438
holy shit where did you get that hot body from?
>>47672394
So are these stormtroopers
I'm still looking in to which since certain companies have certain units. I'd feel pretty full of myself if I made a first company squad so I might go for something like a 3rd or 4th that still has the troops I want but... ya know.. Where should I get my lore on Blood Angels? The codex has nice shit but I need more. Also I kind of want this to be MY army. Obviously it needs to fit the lore but I don't want to feel so restricted
>>47672466
Raging Heroes. Cost me 25 quid, but I've wanted the model ever since she came out. Finally have an army that makes sense for her.
>>47672480
Why another com hq
I am looking to see where I can drop 25 points from this casual list so I can replace the power weapon on the lord with terminator armor
>996 pts Combined Arms Detachment (CSM)
>80 pts Chaos Lord, Power Weapon <Warlord>
>355 pts Chaos Space Marines, 15x additional Chaos Space Marine, 20x Mark of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess, Power Weapon (Champion)
>52 pts Rhino, Havoc Launcher, Combi-Bolter
>50 pts Cultists
>64 pts Cultists, 9x Autogun, 1x Flamer
>64 pts Cultists, 9x Autogun, 1x Heavy Stubber
>121 pts Chaos Space Marine Terminators, 2x Combi-weapon (Melta), 1x Combi-weapon (Melta) (Champion), 1x chainfist
>70 pts Obliterator
>70 pts Obliterator
>70 pts Obliterator
the rhino is the visual centerpiece of the army, don't really want to drop it
taking away all of the weapons from the cultists would do it, but man, naked cultists just feel so useless, even as objective holders.
feel no pain marines still have their bolters... could take away their markes and feel no pain, but even at the absurd price the FNP is a great value
yes I've already been told I will get tabled on turn 2 and that my terminators and oblits will just scatter everywhere
>>47672515
FW's HH books. The recent book has some tidbits of lore, but isn't the full package yet.
>>47672480
>TWO squads of scions and a taurox for 85 dollerydoos
pretty cool
>hideous finecrap commissar
why bother including this turd
>>47672141
That's insane. I'll stick with las and melta.
>>47672515
Actually now that I look at it, seeing as I'll mainly be playing against my friend doing Nurgle CSM/CD I guess 5th company is most appropriate. Daemonbanes.
>>47672480
Kek, buying four of those lets you use the formation that requires 1 commissar, 4 scion squads, and 4 tauroxes.
>>47672558
Except it's the plastic commissar, so it's all good.
Only bundle off the top of my head that mixes finecast with plastic was the old khorne daemonkin starter army with a finecast herald.
>>47672558
the commisar is a new model, gotta promote
>>47672590
Can't wait for the box's formation
>>47672590
if it's like the other getting started boxes, buying one will let you use the formation that comes with the box.
>>47672590
call me crazy, but I really like the look of the Taurox
>>47672622
I like the half track mod or even the four tires
Overall better than rhinos n Razorbacks
>>47672589
Not a bad choice i went for the 2nd company because bad asses who put their minds to the extreme of the red thirst to conquer it. just remember tho they are Your Dudes so you dont have to follow the company exactly.
>>47672622
Have you considered playing Orks?
>>47672622
you're crazy.
It's the micro tracks that get me. If it was a half track I'd get it, but as is, it just looks like they don't know how to make round wheels.
>>47672610
>>47672603
oh so it is plastic
I just assumed it was finecrap because it was butt ugly with a goofy pose
I guess if you replace the legs, and maybe the power sword it could look alright
>>47672663
yes, but I'll never be on the level of Ian Wyatt
>>47672622
I kind of like it. The treads are a little silly but aren't that bad compared to zog off robots, Sanata Claus's wolf driven sled, and modern Wulfen.
>>47672515
>>47672589
I'm making 5th company Blood Angels as well. The current captain is named Sendini and the company shoulder drop is black. That's all the info we really have on them. If you plan to field the company standard you'll have to make your own design because there isn't an offical picture from GW.
Is there any other info you need?
>>47672663
>>47672710
>>47672710
>DA EMPEROR'S GREENEST!
>>47672662
That's kind of what's so fucking addictive and fun about this hobby. Yeah you should follow the lore and stick to the detachments... but it's your fucking army. As long as its within reason, you can do whatever the fuck you want. If I want to make the forgotten Blood Ravens My Little Pony faggot rainbow army that rides ponies in to battle, I fucking can. I'll start researching 5th company so I can follow it closely, seeing as I also have a bike squad, a librarian, and a terminator squad I'll have to kind of go outside of what's listed for 5th company but.. Daemonbanes sounds excessively appropriate and will spur my friend to dig deep in to Nurgle lore to make his own army more unique.
>>47672704
>13 Chaplians
Seems a little too low.
>>47672724
I personally recommend that if your are going to use the rules for marking squads buy the transfer sheet as drawing skulls are hell.
>>47672717
>>47672761
>>47672757
I still don't quite understand how transfer sheets work. I thought they were stickers but they don't appear to be. Gonna dig the one that came with my battleforce out, 1 sec.
>>47672754
Dante's been spending their budget on Land Raiders and Stormravens.
>>47672782
Follow Lord Duncan's advice on how to apply them. He gives a tutorial in the Imperial Knight video.
>>47672782
Check GW's How to Paint an Ultramarines Tactical Marine.
Duncan covers it later on in the video.
>>47672782
They work similar to temp tattoos.
>>47672778
>>47672782
they are waterslide transfers
you get them a little wet for a bit, then the symbol slides off the paper and into some place you didn't want it
https://youtu.be/I36AWCdNJCY?t=2m17s
>>47672802
sshhh dont tell them if the admech figure out we been illegaly importing vehicles they will be up our ass till next year.
>>47672326
My favorite unit is either Death Company with jump packs, or the GUO.
The most effective unit is either the old tri-plas Executioner with Pask or Wyverns. Most points ever goes to a double melee Knight that rampaged through a Tau gunline throwing Riptides and stomping Pathfinders. It was like 1200 points in 3 turns iirc.
>>47672802
No wonder I felt like I was doing the right thing this one time I was playing a BA successor chapter on Chapter Master.
>Found a Slaughtersong
>20,000 requisition points
>decided to suspend all funding for specialists until I had enough money to give to a techmarine to patch up the ship you need
>Slaughtersong!
>none of the docmarines or Chaplians died
>Libbies didn't have perils, metal boxes didn't explode which did not cause my marines to stress out and go Black Rage
>felt good realizing what causes the Black Rage
>felt even better with the Slaughtersong as my flagship
>>47672441
>>47672319
So wait, Malal is a god but hates Chaos?
>>47672827
>Adult supervision may be required
are brits really that afraid of hobby knives?
Oh and for the record, I had gotten so drunk that I almost bought an Imperial Knight thinking how fucking hilarious it'd be if I just fucking field a titan against my friends starting army. I mean except for their weapons they basically have the same armor as a dreadnought.. also they just look so fucking cool I might buy one just cuz I want to stare at it all day.
>>47672326
>Which is your most beloved unit in your army?
I'm partial to burning chariots.
>Which one has net you the most points ever?
Are we including summoned units? If so I'd say Kairos Fateweaver because he summons burning chariots.
>>47672866
Children aren't always the best at being able to respond to an emergency.
>>47672326
This fucking Assault Sergeant.
I gave him a Grav-Pistol and a Power Sword because I thought it looked cooler and my friends aren't WYSIWYG guys, but I decided to actually use that loadout one game.
Once he started using it, he became Death. Anything he runs into dies. The man is a machine who knows nothing but kill.
>>47672881
I don't think children would bother with transfers
or half the stuff duncan does for that matter
I know when I was 12 I didn't thin paints at all or have any concept of a highlight or wash
>>47672865
He's Chaos against Chaos. A parasite that gets stronger as Chaos itself gets stronger. This can help http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/39054250/
>>47672865
Indeed! He is the Lord of Contradictions, and is hated by all. In fact, he wishes to not be worshipped, and instead of having his own Daemons, he corrupts the Daemons of the other Chaos gods into serving him.
The Sons of Malice are a CSM warband dedicated to him.
>>47672622
I don't like the tracks
I don't like the doors
I don't like how the model is shorter than a chimera
I LOVE the interior and the hull
>>47672916
Depends on if you have hobbyist parents or not.
>>47672827
>>47672812
>>47672811
>>47672809
Oh shit, that really is easy as hell. Thanks for that tip. I'll probably try to get some paints tomorrow or Friday and.... damn, I'm kind of anxious and excited at the same time. I can't paint for shit and will be using the models from the Dark Vengeance kit as kind of a guinea pig for painting before working on my Battleforce
>>47672943
>that actually cool interior that looks like it could actually fit ten guys in it, unlike the clowncar rhino
>>47672866
Oi!
Get a life, bin that knife!
>>47672622
I fucking love it.
>>47672480
So tempted to buy a few of those and start a Scions army.
>>47672968
remember to pick up some primer.
>>47672827
is the ardcoat really required to get the transfer to stick?
>>47672943
What's the difference between the Scions Taurox and the IG Taurox? I can't remember, and I'd love to be able to swap them around.
>>47672988
what? no
that can't be real
>>47672970
Clown car logic isn't nothing to laugh about. The smaller it is the more clowns it can hold, Anon. Do you know how many clowns a clown car the size of a thimble could hold?
>>47672994
the ard coat isn't about sticking but rather both getting a uniform finish and protecting the transfer
transfers are naturally very glossy, and normal paint is not
transfers are also very delicate once dried and are damaged very easily
some kind of sealer solves both these problems
>>47672924
>>47672941
Sounds like my kind of guy.
I'd totally play Chaos if I could play Malal armies.
>>47672995
the Scions have the Taurox Prime (IG scions also can get this)
it is faster, has a miniature battle cannon, can take a teleport homer (scions can deep strike, so great synergy), and more weapons options
>>47672995
More/different guns modelwise
Easy with magnets
Any of the Blooded in this Thread?
>>47672988
They need a Frank.
>>47673033
Do it. Smash the skulls and drain the blood for Khorne, lay waste to Tzeentch's plans, make sure Nurgle's diseases never see fruit, and end Slaanesh's pleasures! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ9QOxzPaak
>>47673039
>>47673052
Hmmm...
My only problem is that I'm autistic enough to not like to use magnets.
>>47673157
Velcro then.
>>47673165
Disgusting.
>>47673157
You should learn better, I did them and I'm glad I started.
But you could just stick all the weapons on and clarify what's what to your opponent.
>>47672540
>>64 pts Cultists, 9x Autogun, 1x Flamer
>>64 pts Cultists, 9x Autogun, 1x Heavy Stubber
Thats not how it works, the flamer/stubber and the champ both cannot have the autogun upgrade, so you need 8xAutogun instead.
consider changing Chaos Lord to Chaos Sorceror. Termi armor for Sorceror costs only 25pts since he already comes with a force weapon. you will however loose fearless which is good if you want to stick the lord in the bigass marine squad.
Also there is no such thing as power weapon. Which one do you want? Axe, sword, lance or maul. Most people I know will want you to specify that during listwriting.
As for your question exchange the chainfist of the termi-squad for power maul, as they usually die fast and drop 1 or two of the slaanesh marines. Also consider dropping the autoguns for autopistols on the flamer squad and have them ride inside the rhino. Tankshock and flame your way to victory.
>>47672724
Also if you do not follow the lore, consider that the lore means the 5th ca 999M41 so you could easily say its the 5th company from like 2500years before that. So you have much more room for <things were different back then>
So a few threads ago someone asked why my Captains didn't have artificer armor. Do you have to make your dudes look a certain way for artificer armor or do you just say "btw this guy is wearing artificer armor"?
>>47673246
You can just say it, most players will expect them to have it anyway.
>>47673204
copy pasted some old version of the list about the autoguns, so that shaves off two points
the chain fist was so they could do stuff after their combi-weapons run out, if they live at all
as for the power weapon: sword so he can strike at initiative. I am too used to the old versions that didn't differentiate, but for what it is worth, the codex just says "power weapon"
>>47673246
paint him up slightly different, my bloodcrusher champ has a blue sword for a gift instead of red and he's white so he stands out
>>47672319
Dark Angels.
>>47672326
Beloved? Space Turkey with Disco Stick.
Most points? Pink Horrors. Last game I had a single unit take out two Knights.
>>47673258
Chainfist: I know, but sorry, they won't live more often than not. Also power maul is free and gives you 3 S6 attacks on the charge. Per model. Enough to open most tanks, as your melee hits the rear armor by default (Mostly 10). Power Axes give you S5 but that sweet AP1 for fightin against other termis or similar things. Chainfist simply costs too much for something dubbed <suicide termis>
Power weapon: But the rulebook says you need to differentiate, mostly look @ model but this was established because some clowns convieniently brought 3 models choosing the most useful option after they saw the opponents army. So its just good practice to state beforehand what you think.
>>47673258
Can he take a Lightning Claw? It's better than the Power Sword and gives you an extra attack with either weapon.
>>47673281
Who told you about our Malal Familiars!?
>>47672326
I like my lasboat predator(lascannon sponsons, TL lascannon). It is not the greatest unit, it does not see play often but I really like how it looks.
Most points ever, firedragons as they can really dish out much hurt. And die afterwarts.
Anyone else do a custom color scheme/ not stick to established lore for their army? I originally wanted to make my nids like xenomorphs but it looked a little bland and settled on this. Just curious to see what's more common, established colors or improvised/custom.
>>47673380
>muh purple yellow Ravenwing
>muh yellow purple Deathwing
>>47673349
lightning claw is only better against MEQ if you have more than 3 attacks, otherwise pistol and sword is better
>>47673336
I know what you mean, but at 1000 points the odds that they will live past one turn seem much better
the maul also does not give an extra attack unless paired with a pistol
>>47673349
No it wont, the power sword gives an extra attack if combined with the bolt pistol, for a lightning claw, the character needs a second specialist weapon, which he does not have. Furthermore OP wanted to save points to turn the lord into a Termilord. A lightning claw for a termi lord is *more* expensive than the power sword.
>>47673409
>I know what you mean, but at 1000 points the odds that they will live past one turn seem much better
You wanted to slice points somewhere, if I read you right.
>the maul also does not give an extra attack unless paired with a pistol
Never claimed otherwise, Termis have 2 attacks base and the 3rd is the bonus attack for charging.
>>47673380
i like to mix it up. my bloodthrister is fairly red but his wing tips and nails are bright blue. i don't expect anyone to call me out on his nails or on the tabletop because who could call him a fag and live?
>>47673380
>>47673380
also, as a new player, am i better off going with a flying army, a swarmy ground army, or a nidzilla army for 750-1000 point games. I'm just getting into this and plan on playing pretty casually with a few friends. Currently planning on running a flyrant with a shit load of gargoyles and a few warriors but i want to invest in a harpy/crone or two and some malenthropes.
>>47673409
at 1000 points, you won't need a chainfist for opening anything, unless you think you're going to come across dreadnoughts
>>47672326
Khorne Prince/Slaanesh Prince/Chaos Lord with Jump Pack and Kor'lath
Most ever is probably Khorne prince with Skullreaver killing 1.5k points of grey knights. Or a Chaos Knight that killed a bike captain squad, land speeder formation, and 3 riptides + extras. Shout-outs to screamstars too.
>>47673442
Your bloodthirster gets his nails did?
>>47673456
>>47673434
yeah I guess you guys are right
I wish I hadn't have plastic glued that chainfist on though
>>47673380
I designed my own color scheme for my bugs, the only official color scheme I like is Behemoth.
>>47673449
Flying army helps win games, but is fairly douchey. My 1850 list usually is just nidzilla, but lower games I usually take a mix of swarms and monsters.
>>47673610
yup, the eyes are also blue
is there an anti everything army right now?
as in every unit can deal with most situations by itself?
>>47673731
imperial knight ;)
>>47673731
>grey knights, anti daemon
>dark eldar, anti monstrous creatures
>dark angels, anti chaos marines
>tau, anti fighting
>>47673731
Pink Horrors in the Warpflame Host can deal with most threats. Prescience+S7 Flickering Fire pounds most aircraft, S8+ on all the variable strength powers and Prismatic Gaze for armor, and summoned units are remarkably flexible.
![['avin a giggle].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bPn2TWR.jpg "['avin a giggle].jpg")
>>47672988
>knife that will literally snap in half if you tried to stab a person, most likely before it even broke the skin
>YOU MUST BE 18 OR OLDER TO BUY
>>47673246
>two captains, neither one of which is particularly good at fighting
>Pistol+Specialist weapon on one
>Combi-weapon+power weapon on the other
Oh shit, nigger, what are you doing?
>>47673777
It's dumb, but it's easier to just ban knives wholesale than to break down what does and doesn't count as a dangerous one.
>>47673791
Yeah, but not only is this putting the pants on your head, it's also shitting in them before you do so.
It'd be one thing if y'alls violent crime rate were actually BETTER overall than ours (US), but when they're roughly equal even WITH things like this, it's just really, really hard not to laugh at the silliness.
Inspired by the scion box I came up with a silly pure gunline list for them. Command squads deepstrike in and murder big stuff, HSVG squads hang back and sit in the Razorback phalanx.
STORMTROOPERS
CAD 1 - 650
HQ - Command Squad - 125
Melta guns
HQ - Command Squad - 145
Plasma guns
Medkit
TROOPS - 2x melta squads, 2x plasma squads - 380
CAD 2 - 440
HQ - Command Squad - 125
HSVG
HQ - Command Squad - 145
Plasma
TROOPS - Scions - 80
Flamer
TROOPS - Scions - 90
HSVG
Inquisition
Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - 40
Hellrifle
Elites 1 - 80
3x Multi-melta servitor
1x Psyker
8x Bolter Acolytes
6x Razorback - 270
Psybolts
>>47673870
also, 1489/1500 points.
>>47673870
>razorbacks
for what purpose
>>47673784
Anything plasma is from Dark Vengeance so I can't really change it without surgery and since I'm new, I'm not risking it. What would you suggest for the Captain with the hand-flamer and Lightning Claw? I wanted something nifty and strong but I take it I choose poorly.
>>47672266
+++ El Kabong (1500pts) +++
++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++
+ (No Category) +
Chapter Tactics [Fire Hawks]
+ Formation +
'Shadowstrike Kill Team *
Scout Squad [Camo Cloaks, 6x Scouts, 5x Sniper Rifle]
Heavy Bolter [Hellfire Rounds]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle]
Scout Squad [Camo Cloaks, 6x Scouts, 5x Sniper Rifle]
Heavy Bolter [Hellfire Rounds]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle]
Vanguard Veteran Squad [Jumppacks]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Maul]
Vanguard Veteran Squad [Jumppacks]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran [Bolt Pistol, Power Maul]
Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Maul]
++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++
+ (No Category) +
Chapter Tactics [Fire Hawks]
+ Formation +
'Skyhammer Annihilation Force
Assault Squad [2x Flamer, Jump Packs, 4x Space Marines]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Melta Bombs]
Assault Squad [2x Flamer, Jump Packs, 4x Space Marines]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Melta Bombs]
Devastator Squad [4x Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, 4x Space Marines]
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
Devastator Squad [4x Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, 4x Space Marines]
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++
+ (No Category) +
Chapter Tactics [Iron Hands]
+ Formation +
'Raptor Wing *
Land Speeders
Land Speeder [Multi-melta, Typhoon Missile Launcher]
Stormtalon Gunship [Skyhammer Missle Launcher]
Stormtalon Gunship [Skyhammer Missle Launcher]
Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net)
>>47673870
that could be pretty nasty, depending on how much you hold in reserve.
Pretty squishy though.
>>47673926
Can I at least have the Power Sword? A chainsword seems so boring to me.
>>47674029
trim those mold lines
>>47672480
Are we ever going to get start collecting chaos packs? Yes i know. I'm a heretic.
>>47673921
The volley gunners, flamers and inquisitor chill behind them as a shield wall. They pump out 3 twin linked s6 heavy Bolter shots each (with psybolts). Better side armor than chimeras and a good middle ground of firepower between chimeras and rhinos. Plus the inquisitor can take them for only 40 ppm + 5 each for psy bolts.
>>47673950
>about to be like WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE SO MANY MAULS FUCKING HELL WHAT ARE YOU-
>El Kabong
>....
>anon was a pretty alright guy at the end
Kabong on, you crazy bastard.
>>47674039
Yeah I just noticed how ugly my models look. More or less all I have in terms of "tools" is some flush cutters and krazy glue I bought from the local pharmacy. Closest FLGS is 40 minutes away and I've been saving up a little before going hard at getting brushes, paint, uh... scrapers or w/e, and all that jazz.
Are drop pods broken? I have a friend who always says this, and it has caused me to not buy or use any. Are they really as bad as people seem to think they are? Is Imperial Privilege real?
>>47674113
Sounds like he's just butthurt they're effective.
>>47674052
awww, shucks...
>>47674113
depends on how many you use, and whether you are running skyhammer or gladius
>>47674113
Is he by any chance a CSM player? Anyway, pods are fine, they are only broken when ferrying retarded troops like Skitarii (which they can't do anymore) or in Skyhammer.
>>47673731
Assuming you mean an army that has a hard counter to anything anyone can throw at them, no. There's no such army though Eldar does come pretty close to it what with them having access to a lot of D weapons so they can just D you off the table.
>>47674095
If you have an arts and crafts store nearby, drop in and get yourself a decent hobby knife. That'll serve nicely in removing the mould lines.
>>47674204
and if they have an army surplus store, pick up a stabbin' knife. Pretty handy for stabbin' hobos.
>>47674148
Give them armor 10 and they would be ok.
Having to waste antitank weaponry into a pod from an objective is extremely annoying, especially consider they cost 35pt, can have ObSec and the FAQ grenate nerf.
>>47674136
>this guy here
>>47674204
My plans tomorrow are to basically acquire all the tools I'll need to get super serial about my army. That said, what should I do to fix my army before I paint them and lose any desire at all to change it? I just noticed why the lightning claw isn't the best idea. I'm a bit too tired to scroll through the rules and my codex but would a hand-flamer and power sword be better? Bolt pistol and chainsword is just too boring to me and since another anon informed me if you freeze these suckers it should allow me to pull some pieces off, can I survive with the hand-flamer and power sword? I also slapped a storm bolter and power sword on to my sergeant which was fairly effective at mowing down my friend's cultists, is that fine? Chances are I won't be able to play anyone else for a while so my army doesn't need to be tournament level although I also don't want to have a retarded gimped army either.
>>47674233
They are open topped. Hit it with a meltagun and it has a 50% chance of popping there and then. ObjSec is unreliable unless you are abusing scatter mitigation or have shittons of pods, and if it scatters off of the objective then it may as well just be some deployable cover because a single storm bolter is not scary.
Agree on the grenade nerf though.
>>47672865
IIRC he is/was the manifestation of the self-destructive nature of Chaos.
>>47674095
amazon will deliver pretty much anywhere, and you can get tools for a good price
also 40 minutes away isn't that far at all. The nearest game store that does wargames for me is 2 hours away.
>>47674174
Sort of yeah thinking of a super counter.
But i was also thinking about an army build that could field mostly strong units, as in everything is a threat on it's own and it's dangerous to most other enemy units, rather than oh looks I can just ignore all this shit because they can't even hurt me, I'll just spam my strongest shit to his strongest shit and hope I can destroy it before he can destroy mine, so even if he manages to roll good you're still left with strong units that will never stop being a threat to his army and can manage to hurt him, secure objectives, table him out if you roll well and he performs poorly.
I know I'm probably over thinking just expecting to find something cheesy that hasn't been exploited already, I just been watching a lot of battle reports and what I don't like is how people can just get rid of big threats and then they pretty much just won the game, I kinda want to always be a threat even if they got lucky with rolls and what not.
>>47674277
>Hit it with a meltagun
It's a transport that you put wherever you want and end it's purpose on entering. Once it deploy, its job is done. And it's 35 pt.
Forcing me to hit it with a melta means it already more than pay for itself.
Also, you can't tell me that a vehicle that is literally completely opened is armor 12.
>>47673921
FW will release the new grav cannon with grav amp turret for razobacks on the next IA prepare your anus.
>>47674345
why are you shooting it? its got a fucking storm bolter, just ignore it.
>>47674042
Yeah, its coming. It has a termie lord, a box of spikey marines and a helbrute.
>>47674368
After seeing the Land Raider with Gravcannon/GravAmp, that doesn't sound too far fetched.
>>47674374
>Deepstriked on an objective
>ObSec
That's why.
>>47674042
Now go and cry in a corner.
>>47674394
Now imagine a land raider with twinlinked grav cannons and grav amp instead of lascannons and heavy bolter.
>>47673950
I've found that that two Grav squads in a Skyhammer is overkill. Those guys are only really going to get one volley in before they get killed/tarpitted, and you don't really ever see more that one Land Raider or TEQ squad or other stuff that they're optimized to kill. I'd take one of the squads as Melta instead. They're still incredibly deadly against basically anything, and they're more effective than Grav against the ubiquitous Knight allies. It also frees up 100 points to spend elsewhere.
>>47674113
>35 points for risk free, turn one deep strike
They are absurdly undercosted. They only really start edging into OP with the Skyhammer or combi-Sternguard.
>>47674394
If they released that kit properly I'd probably buy it for the pimp-ass tank commander.
>>47673808
The problem is that violent crime can be committed with nothing but fists. You could ban every object in the world and you still wouldn't reduce violence unless you actually solved the problems that cause people to resort to violence.
>>47674494
Can a The Purge force use Plauge marines as troops if they take a nurgle Lord?
I noticed they aren't allowed to take them as Elites normally.
>>47674660
Yes if that's your primary detachment.
>>47674494
As a Tankguard player I can only say
NONONONONONONONOBYTHE EMPERORPLEASENOOOOOOO!
>>47674677
Ah bugger.
Was going to ally them to a Demonic incusion for a "Nurgle grand alliance" thing, plauge marine, plague zombies, daemonic zoo and nurgles parts of the dark mechanicus.
why do people add dirty cotton to their vehicles when they die? I mean instead of removing them like units
so they still count as blocking terrain or something?
>>47674703
Consider to nominate The Purge as your primary detachment, so you'll avoid the Warp Storm table.
>>47674712
Unless they explode, they become blocking terrain.
What does /tg/ consider the best way to carry mini's around? Are the GW carry boxes worth investing in? Hows about vehicles with spiky bits? Just throw everything in a toolbox and hope for the best?
>>47674399
its not a troop choice, its a fast attack.
>>47674738
If you take it as a dedicated transport for a troop choice it is.
>>47674749
where does it say that?
>>47674729
Then i might as well drop the incjrsion detatchment, all it offers is tweaks to the table
>>47674753
Main rulebook
>>47674737
>What does /tg/ consider the best way to carry mini's around?
I like the storage boxes from Feldherr. Cheap and effective. I can catalog everything; i have a box for Marines, one for Cultists and Lesser Daemons, one for 30k, etc. So I can bring only what i need.
Then a huge sport bag from a chinese shop (12€) to bring everything.
>Are the GW carry boxes worth investing in?
Probably yes. If you don't feel the need for differentiate what you have, the new boxes are pretty cool. Expensive, but you can bring vehicle easily, thing i can't do.
>Hows about vehicles with spiky bits?
I recycle old plastic cases, usually for old tools and stuff, and cut some foam by hand.
Not the best solution, but it works.
You can go with the pluck foam and storage boxes too, but it's hard to optimize the thing.
>Just throw everything in a toolbox and hope for the best?
For the Dark Gods, no!
>>47674737
Use steel bases to make your models more stable, then stick them in a box a magnetic bottom.
>>47674753
Under dedicated transports in the rulebook, they count as having the same role as the unit they were brought for.
>>47674345
>tfw SoB and can ram them with my Repressors for a 25% chance to explode with no danger of taking a glance in return
>>47674737
>What does /tg/ consider the best way to carry mini's around?
Depends on the minis. If you are transporting a handful of reaper minis, consider the small chessex case.
if you are transporting a kill team or small army, the GW skirmish case is pretty good
The larger GW cases do well for most armies, but excessively spikey armies may need pluck foam or specialized cases.
I personally don't like pluck foam at all. It feels cheap.
I like cases with hard exteriors, but some people don't. If you get a case with a hard exterior, don't leave it unattended or else normies will steal it thinking it is either a gun or a camera.
>Are the GW carry boxes worth investing in?
I like them a lot. I can fit 1000 points (a rhino and some 50 miiniatures) in a GW skirmish case, albeit just barely.
Pluck foam cases are surprisingly expensive, often more than the GW cases, and lack the hard exterior like the GW cases have.
You can also get custom cut foam. Obviously these will fit the best, but they cost the most.
>Hows about vehicles with spiky bits?
use something pluck foam or custom sadly. GW cases really like regularly shaped models.
>Just throw everything in a toolbox and hope for the best?
No, but if you do tournaments foam trays in a tool box are nice because you can sit on the tool box when you get tired
You ever try using a tackle box?
>>47673179
>What if was one guy with six guns?
>>47674922
I use tackle boxes for sorting bits
>>47674961
>What if it was one gun with sic guys?
I got sick of doomrider not existing so I made these rules
DOOMRIDER 190 points
WS BS S T W I A LD Sv
8 5 4 5 3 10 4 10 3+
RULES:
Fleet
Furious Charge
Skilled Rider
Precision Shots/Strikes
Warp Rider]
High-speed Detonation
Daemon
WARGEAR:
Hypersonic Deathbike
Power Sword
Krak Grenades
Warp Rider: Doomrider always begins the game in reserve.
He may choose to deploy from reserves normally, or may deploy via deep strike.
If he deploys this way, he does not scatter, but may only fire snapshots that game turn.
Any game turn that Doomrider enters the field, he gains the shrouded special rule.
Doomrider may never join or be joined by other units.
Hypersonic Deathbike: A bike armed with a twin linked plasmagun. Doomrider may forgo shooting
to instead turboboost up to 48 inches. If he moves in this way, enemies may only fire snapshots
at him until your next player turn, and enemy charges against him will suffer a -8 modifier.
Doomrider may pass over enemy models while making this move. Any non-skimmer/flyer unit he passes over
takes d6 automatic S5 AP3 hits with the Ignores Cover and Rending special rules, allocated as per shooting.
High-speed Detonation: When Doomrider is reduced to 0 wounds, his controlling player may place a flamer template
over him, facing in the direction the model is facing. Any model under this template takes an automatic s5 ap3 hit
with the rending special rule. Doomrider is then removed as normal.
>>47675012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoR-3oaWlQ
>>47672319
Im getting mighty sick of this same asshole bangin on about malal all the fucking time. Just let it go man.
>>47674961
>>47675012
>Daemon
>Not Daemon of Slaanesh
Also, remove Fleet.
Daemon of Slaanesh already give it to you.
>>47675025
so are daemons good?
how broken are skitarii?
>>47675025
>>47675086
The crossover
>>47675012
Make it so units with skyfire can hit him normally because of high-speed tracking or some such
you know, for the same price i'm paying GW, i could support a full blown cocaine habit...
>>47675114
lol, thats awesome
what the hell is a technomancer? there is a chaos relic i want to take multiples of.
Hey guys, going to make a new army.
1850 points is the point, slanesh themed IG with CSM allies.
Firing lines/artillery from IG, CSM for everything else.
Any recommendations for units to look at? i'm thinking noise marines in land raiders, and having a hellhamer setup like this. .
>>47675255
Instead of IG use IA13 Renegades and Heretics.
>>47673808
Difference: British cops are more trusted because they shoot less people.
>>47675255
Definitely don't use IG, use Renegades and Heretics. They're a fully fledged army of Traitor IG with a lot of great chaos themed choices for their units.
>>47675339
While I agree, IA13 has its strong points, it also has drawbacks. One of them: No Hellhammer. Baneblade only, no other variants. The lists are also often weaker then IG, because IG has orders and stuff.
>>47675367
>hellhammer
>wanting the pussies version of the best baneblade variant
stormsword is where its at
>>47674737
>What does /tg/ consider the best way to carry mini's around?
I have a pluckfoam Feldherr and the big GW case. Recommend the latter, as you can bring different models every time without needing one pluckfoam layer for every set.
Are the GW carry boxes worth investing in?
The normal ones yes, I think the hard case is too expensive. That is true, unless you have many bigass models like flyers who will need 2 foam.layers to transport. Then it gets full rather quickly. And putting your stuff back into it, takes quite some time
Hows about vehicles with spiky bits?
Urgh. Either the foam will rip, or the spikey bits will rip off. Either way, maybe wrapping them in soft paper prior will help. I deliberatly did not use many spikey stuff for that reason.
Just throw everything in a toolbox and hope for the best?
Hope is the sure step on the road to disappointment. Especially when painted minis are among them. Unless you like 'battledamaged'. Doubly so if you have bigger metal models. Then you can kiss everything goodbye.
>>47675386
Op wanted it. With IA 13 it matters not, its baneblade or Malcador. No shadowsword, Banehammer or whatever else you want. Traitors do not get that. Baneblade makes your dudes fearless, though.
>>47675291
yeah, they just toss 90 year old ladies out of their homes
>>47675404
And cost less.
It's 70pt less for the most common setup if i remember correctly.
>>47675404
Why not just use the other guns and increase the price by the difference in the IG tanks? Is this a tournament army?
>>47672266
I like this op image
>>47672761
My poor sides.I love it.
Thoughts on my army? The plan is to stick the Elysian command squad in a Valkyrie and fly it around for the tracking beacon. Melta squads nuke armor, Vendettas clean up what's left, Valkyries thin out hordes and Heavy Bolters make themselves somewhat useful while sitting on backfield objectives.
D-99 Command Squad
4x Sniper Rifle
Executioner Squad
7x Meltagun
D-99 Veteran Squad
1x Heavy Bolter
Valkyrie
Heavy Bolters
Multilaser
Multiple Rocket Pods
D-99 Veteran Squad
1x Heavy Bolter
Valkyrie
Heavy Bolters
Multilaser
Multiple Rocket Pods
Elysian Command Squad
Tracking Beacon
Elysian Infantry Platoon
3x Meltagun
3x Meltagun
3x Meltagun
3x Vendetta
>>47675012
Why BS 5?
>>47675696
>why is a model that's a hybrid of a daemon prince and a chaos lord, both BS5 models, BS5?
Why do you think?
R8 MY LIST GUIS
>Hive Tyrant (wings, adrenal glands, toxin sacs) - 225
>20 hormagaunts (toxin sacs) - 160
>20 hormagaunts (toxin sacs) - 160
>27 hormagaunts - 135
>6 Raveners (rending claws) - 210
>6 Raveners (rending claws) - 210
>6 Raveners (rending claws) - 210
>Trygon prime - 230
>Trygon prime - 230
>Trygon prime - 230
>2000 points
>>47675898
Nice. No anti-flyer, but a tight themed spam list with enough redundancy to get things done.
You'll struggle with top tier armies, but you were going to do that anyway.
>>47675853
>daemon prince and a chaos lord,
Sounds like 145+65 points base cost before upgrades then bucko
>>47675933
Why pick some random, several hours old post to shitpost about?
>>47675918
To be honest, I'm probably not going to do it, as I'd need9 more raveners and 1 more trygonbut it's a fun idea I'd like to use one day.I just like snakenids, okay?
>>47675898
Tyrant has no ranged so I'm assuming you're going to use it in melee. I'd personally use TW devouerers with brain leech as tyrants without Guard get ganked to death
>>47675945
>>47675975
>I personally use the monobuild tyrant everyone uses
You don't actually need to say mind numbingly obvious things anon. If he's not doing that, he's not doing that because he wants to.
>>47675898
ditch the toxin sacs on the gaunts, take more gaunts or possibly a venomthrope or two
>>47675984
No, seriously, what made you pick that post? Your question wasn't even that bait-ey, just vaguely stupid.
>>47675995
Calm down love and put your tampon back in, just offering some advice no need to be a shitter mate we're better than this
>sisters arrived in the post
Starting to feel this might have been a mistake as my first ever hobby project.
>>47676035
"Use the monobuild" is shitposting in army list critique, because only someone entirely new to the hobby wouldn't know their army's monobuild.
>>47675677
>4x Sniper Rifle
>>47674737
Just got my kr case. I think they have the best custom foam for each army that I've seen. A good price compared to gw cases too, although I got cardboard and not their plastic case, which some might hate. 83 usd (that's including the 10 for shipping to the US) for 30 terminator slots, 20 troops, 2 dreadknight slots, and the box. For comparison I think the small plastic GW case at my flgs goes for 85 and there's no way it would fit the same stuff comfotably.
>>47676322
Gold Knights?
>>47676364
No, that's just the lighting
Why don't Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suites detect invisible enemies? Does invisibility extend far into either side of the spectrum past visible light?
>>47676470
Invisibility is (as far as i know always) from a spell, tau dont really have any notion of how warp fuckery works and how to combat it
>>47676141
>seraphim too heavy for the bases supplies
>>47676502
Welcome to the world of SoB. Just stack something heavy, like small pieces of some metal or lead, underneath their bases and you should be fine.
>>47675965
>>47675982
>I just like snake nids
This very badly makes me want to get some tyranids to paint.
>>47674483
Any other infos on further Start Collecting boxes?
>>47676470
Why would you assume that magical effect that renders one undetectable by visual means would only affect things the see in spectrum of light visible to humans?
>>47676527
Well Scions-one are released at the same time (Taurox, 10x Scions and a Comissar. Best value out of all the boxes so far) but no news about any other boxes.
>>47676537
Its warp-fuckery. Laws of physics literally mean nothing to them. As far as the real effect goes, it might be anything from light-bending invisibility, looking like shrubberies, looking like your old schoolmates or just not really being there for 5/6 of time.
>>47676563
>Its warp-fuckery. Laws of physics literally mean nothing to them
That was my point.
It's a part of the Telepathy discipline; it's probably more of a "people won't notice you" effect than a "literally bending light around you" type effect.
>>47676542
I saw that, too, pretty good deal, 40+% value, but I hoped for maybe D/Eldar or Harlequin related.
>>47676591
Ah true, I was just thinking what armies still lack them. Since Scions got their own one then theres hope for Harlies, too.
>>47676578
What really doesn't make any sense is that you can drop bombs on them, but you can't drop shells on them, or spray fire in their general direction.
>>47676515
yeah it looks like i've got a job on putting these together, in the meantime i'll just get to work cleaning the models up.
>>47676647
Just wait till you get Exorcists. Dear fucking lord. Welcome to the pinning-hell.
>>47676779
pinning the best option for putting these arms on?
I'm getting back to 40k mostly to paint and maybe get some games. I have enough points to make 3000 points of foot slogging Black Templars back in third edition.
The thing is I'm starting SoB mostly for conversion and painting something else beside black and white.
Right now I have enough girls to make 8 meltaguns, 2 flamers, 2 heavy flamers, 2 combi melta, 2 combi flamers and 4 boltguns.
Between 4 Rhinos that can be easily modify into any rhino base tank, land raider crusaders.
Suggestions? Ideally 500-1000 pure sisters but a combination of fanatics is fine.
>>47676892
>SoB
>Not black and white
>>47676892
What scheme are you painting them in? (As I assume it's not the default one due to, you know, black and white.)
Livonian Sword-Brothers for Black Templars. How do you pull such a thing off without it being heresy and legion-building?
All walkers should be AP2 in melee. They should also all get smash attacks (they might do this normally sometimes I forget what's just our houserule and what's not) and Hammer of Wrath.
>>47676935
Main armor white since I hate my self, the soft armor and cloth pastel pink.might change it to a red but not sure.
>>47676969
Nice 69's
>>47676969
all the relevant ones are already ap2 thanks to their weapons
the nonrelevant ones don't need close combat buffs, because they'll only ever enter combat to tie up units indefinitely
Walkers need some way to protect themselves from hullpoint loss, beyond single-use smoke launchers and praying for enough cover on every other turn.
>>47676973
I wanted to do the all silver sisters but also wanted to try the new golds on my living saint and I think that would make the army clash.
>>47677018
This. AP2 eldar war walkers and imperial guard sentinels would just be silly.
>>47677018
Except Weapon Destroyed can make them lose their AP2, unlike MC...
So I ordered the Betrayal at Calth to start my Battle Company and was wondering if I geared the Termis out with DW Knight Maces and Shields would the be fine as Count As or would people expect me to use the new rules they released for whatever that version of termis is called.
What are people's thoughts on the Assassins' rules currently? They look fun to have but not super competitive for the point count.
>>47677196
eversor is straightforward if mediocre
callidus ranges from amazing to terrible depending on how your dice go
vindicare will miss half of his shots
culexus is the only one even approaching being worth his points
I like using them all, though. They're interesting, which is important.
Spent two months so far just trying to sell my old tau stuff, no one wants to buy my crisis suits because they're not riptides or ghostkeels.
>>47677189
With the rules and such now for cataphractii patterned terminators you'll be running Count As, which isn't necessarily bad, but it could lead to confusion if you expand into Tactical Terminators / actual cataphractii pattern terminators.
Alhough right now only Assault Terminators get Storm Shields so you should be good.
>>47677196
Same problem that Solitaires have. Too many points invested into a single model that can't hide in a unit / dies too basic fire.
>>47677220
The Vindicare is a nightmare if you play Dark Eldar.
>Oh hey, don't mind me. I'm just going to put an automatic AP2 Penetrating hit on one of your vehicles every turn, from the other side of the bard. No, you don't get a cover save.
