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TtS: Promise Land
http://www.mediafire.com/download/58qc4n2owy2gsb7/E-CAT35SN206_BattleTech_Touring_the_Stars_Promised_Land.pdf
First Succession War
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dp9iiecoaz4c29k/E-CAT35235_BattleTech+First+Succession+War.pdf
TtS: Brownsville
https://mega.nz/#!7xMngZBR!d0Ayoy_8rDrtsXZ7-M6wGPrmDq8O8F5_0d4G8dkLxzM
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>/btg/ does a TRO:
http://builtforwar.blog(not spam)spot.com/
>How do I do this Against the Bot thing?
http://pastebin.com/pE2f7TR5
>Overview of the major factions?
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/great-houses/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/the-clans/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/other-powers/
>How do I find out what BattleMechs a faction has?
http://masterunitlist.info/
>Map of /btg/ players (WIP):
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1116217&add=1
>BattleTech Introductory Info and PDFs
http://bg.battletech.com/?page_id=400
>Rookie guides
http://pastebin.com/HZvGKuGx
>Sarna.net - BattleTech Wiki
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page
>Megamek - computer version of BattleTech. Play with AI or other players
http://megamek.info/
Unit Designing Softwares
>SSW Mech Designer
http://www.solarisskunkwerks.com/
>MegaMek Lab
http://megameklab.sourceforge.net/
>BattleTech IRC
#battletech on irc.rizon.net
>PDF Folders
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9q792hobnbpw3/Battletech
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/sdckg6j645z4j/Battletech
I declare a trial of possession for Butte Hold. With what forces will you defend it, /btg/?
So how did everyone go about rebuilding between the 3039 conflict and the Clan Invasion?
Also, is there any figure on the number of Mechs that were granted to the Combine by ComStar?
>>47651339
Pure speculation here but I always assumed roughly 12 regiments worth, since the the DCMS would be hardpressed after the 4th War to rebuild so many of its own regular formations *and* add a dozen more.
Not saying all the material went to the Ghosts, but the equivalency was injected into their supply pool.
>>47651179
This Based Princess
>>47651179
I bid me, holding your Kahn's butte
>>47651381
>since the the DCMS would be hardpressed after the 4th War to rebuild so many of its own regular formations *and* add a dozen more.
I thought they rebuilt a lot of their devastated Mech Regiments with cheap and easy to produce designs like the Wolf Traps, Dragons and Hatamoto-Chi?
So does anyone here play MWO? Is it worth getting into?
>>47651621
You know, I think you're right. Comparing the 3025 DCMS and 3039 DCMS it's grown by around 25 regiments.
>>47651818
I play it a bit on-and-off.
It's fun to run around and do some fighting in, especially if you run with a couple of other players who know what they're doing.
No real pay2win either, just pay2notGrind. But the grind is real and balance (and common sense) can be a bit of an issue.
Also, they somehow managed to make the game look worse over the years.
The guys in /gerg/ on /vg/ are decent folk to roll around with and their general also has a bunch of tutorials etc, since MWO requires some more thought than your typical shooter.
>>47651854
>it's grown by around 25 regiments
Uncle Chandy must have made a fortune then.
Also this is making me want to read Heir to the Dragon.
>>47652069
That's actually one of the BT books I've wanted to read and haven't.
>>47651179
>I declare a trial of possession for Butte Hold. With what forces will you defend it, /btg/?
It's Redjack's, so.. poisoned ale and diseased whores?
>>47651854
>>47651621
Yeah, that's also where a lot of the "Panther Company" stuff comes from. They were busy pumping a lot of resources into getting the Catapult line working during the war, too, and had it online within a year or two. There were also a bunch of experiments with things like the Gaussback and the sidegraded Trebuchets that were intended to give them cheaper, more expendable units for the rank and file while they shuffled things like Thugs/Hatamotos and Grand Dragons to the aces.
>>47652069
>>47652096
It's a good book, definitely worth a read.
>>47651977
Alright thanks, I'll check out some twitch videos first and take a look at /gerg/.
Wolf cucked the sphere. Alaric did! He took a Wolf army to Terra. There was NO ONE left to cuck, da wimmiz wuz his.
So I was googling some BT and found this gem from a forum in 1996
>I would have said the same thing in 3049 when the Clans Attacked. Hell i would have even said it up until Hanse Davion died. But with the new Marik-Liao Alliance, we still dont know to what ends Sun-Tzu will take against the FC.
>But if Victor S-D gets the Lyran half of his realm back. Which he will for it has been forshadowed in Malcious Intent. Then there goes the end of Liao Space :)
>And I say good riddance.
>>47651854
>>47652130
Now that I think about it, maybe the Free World's League had something to do with the Combine crash re-armament.
Weren't they selling the Combine arms in the years before 3039?
>>47653165
Theoretically, but their jumpships would have to cross the FedCom-occupied Terran Corridor plus the FWLM was up to its neck dealing with the Andurien secession while simaltaneously trying to keep enough force on its borders to fight off FedCom raids.
I'm not saying "never" but it seems unlikely.
>>47653165
It was detailed as a brand new trade deal in House Marik. A couple years later the 4th War started. So probably nothing happened.
>>47653334
Yeah, the war likely put paid to it. Janos was too busy sending relief shipments to Sian.
>>47653371
subject to change
>>47653529
kinda cringy with the fan-canon and RL references. what is this for?
>>47653529
I keep hearing
>Normal person in the Fed Suns is an illiterate serf
Can anyone actually provide a source on that?
I've never seen it in a sourcebook.
>>47653529
MW1e autist is that you?
>>47653529
>FedSuns occupies the most thinly populate slice of space
Since when? That's the Draconis Rift.
>>47653529
Steiner's government is Northern European, not British.
>>47653697
>Can anyone actually provide a source on that?
>I've never seen it in a sourcebook.
I've seen plenty of sources saying that the FS *Outback* is home to horrifically poor educational standards and widespread illiteracy, but never the suns as a whole
>>47653785
True, but this is pretty much the "outback", so it's the vast majority of the Suns anyway.
Plus there's a vested interest in other fans making the Suns players feel like shit. Taurians, Dracfags, Elsies, Cappies, and some Leaguers all feel better about themselves the worse off the Suns are.
Hey motherfuckers, guess what day it is?
>>47653983
Hint: It's glorious
>>47654001
CUE THE PARADE! LET NO TOASTER GO UNFUCKED THIS GRAND DAY! GIVE THANKS TO BLAKE AND NUKES TO WOLVES!
>>47654016
To Tacoma with thee, enjoy the aroma!
>>47653939
Don't forget the worlds the taurians were occupying (since your map is 3075), because those were also pretty damn outback, too
>>47654029
And thence shall we parade unto the Periphery looking for some good society, if you catch our drift.
>>47654046
>>47654065
>>47654065
what are you memeing about, /btg/?
Blake eleison, faithful!
>>47654113
Three urbanmechs stacking on top of one another to join an Assault lance.
>>47654124
Post Blakists and Blakist accessories!
>>47654182
>>47654182
...aren't comics supposed to be funny? Or at least witty and clever?
>>47654113
Blakefags are at it again, but with autism instead of nukes
>>47654113
Sixth of June.
AKA the Toyamest Toyamas in the WoB
>>47654113
Everything connected to battletech is terrible, and there's no hope of improvement for the writing, franchise, or fanbase. It will be terrible until it dies at last a tiny, gasping death as the tabletop world moves on, uncaring and unconcerned at the protracted demise of a game that was never good in the first place.
>>47652069
Holy shit that's retarded. They whip 25 regiments out over 12 years for the War of 3039, then pull 32 regiments out of nowhere over the 10 years between that and the Clan Invasion to cover their losses in the War of 3039 and 20-Year Update stuff at a rate of almost 3 per year, and then can't replace the 5 regiments they lost to the Clans and the what was it, 2 regiments (IIRC- Otomo and another regiment) they lose to Black Dragon bullshittery with another 16 vanishing into the ether for FM: DC.
Numbers by FASA and CGL. Not even once.
>>47653642
It's for a newbie's guide to BattleTech, and anything cringey is from the actual books. I'm starting with the '80s stuff and then adding or correcting as I work my way through newer material.
>>47653752
If-it-isn't-new-it-isn't-canon anon, is that you?!
>>47653697
It's one of two extremes, not the norm - see pic related (although the norm is still pretty bad). If you'd rather have a pageref from the OLDER book, that might take me a day or two since I didn't annotate anything.
>>47653761
If you have a better word for the pie-shaped regions occupied by each Successor State, I'm open to suggestions.
>>47653642
Honestly, using IRL references for the "gist" of something is an extremely good idea for a newbie primer. it saves tremendous amounts of time and effort by leveraging the newbie's pre-existing knowledge.
That said, a general disclaimer (at the *top*) that points out that "IRL references are made for brevity and are approximate at best" wouldn't be out of line. Just to make sure that the aforementioned newbies don't get the wrong idea that these factions are *only* limited to "IRL references...IN SPAAAACE!"
>>47654272
>I'm starting with the '80s stuff and then adding or correcting as I work my way through newer material.
Why don't you start from the house handbooks and periphery 1e, rather than MW1e, which was effectively superseded by those books?
>>47654272
>If you have a better word for the pie-shaped regions occupied by each Successor State, I'm open to suggestions.
Something not made-up would be a good start. There are already plenty of fine descriptions of the Successor States.
>>47653779
Do you have a particular one in mind? The idea is to pick whichever government has the best or most parallels.
>>47654272
>and anything cringey is from the actual books
Half of it looks like you made it up yourself and when someone else pointed out you were wrong all you say was that they should suggest a better-worded option.
Since it's from the books, show me where the Suns occupy the most thinly populated slice of known space.
Also you misspelled "compulsory".
>House Davion has earned a reputation as the fairest and most just of the Successor Houses...
[citation needed]
I'm a Davion player and this is news to me. Or is this fan-canon you're inserting to guide players?
>>47654571
How about dispensing with real life references and actually describing the government type?
>>47654785
>I'm a Davion player and this is news to me
There's words to this effect in the old Merc Handbooks; Davions are the most fair and just (ie, they don't pull the company store trick very often)...TO MERCS. And in comparison to the other Houses, that's generally an accurate statement.
But it's only in relation to merc relations, not "in general." Context does matter. But that's almost certainly where it's coming from.
>>47653529
Just use the actual fluff. It says everything that needs saying.
>>47654840
I'm too used to people yelling "remember the 100million Hanse killed" to remember anyone considering House Davion fair and just lol
>>47654861
What book is that from?
>>47654899
I thought it was "100 billion", which is why Hanse Davion - and by extension everyone who likes the faction - is objectively worse than Stefan Amaris and Hitler combined.
You're not saying the Capellan and Taurian fans I talked to about this lied to me, right?
>>47654977
All the people who ever died were personally killed by Hanse Davion. Even Jesus. Especially Jesus.
>>47654969
Nothing canon. It doesn't mention how the Davions keep their citizens under-educated, under-paid, and under-fed so they can maintain their imperialist war machine against their peace-loving neighbors and the Draconis Combine.
>>47654977
Silly Laowai, why would I lie?
>>47654330
Well, some of those IRL references *are* explicit from the books, but yeah, fair point. I'll work something up.
>>47654425
It was helpful to have a short overview of each House before tackling each one in depth. Plus, it has stuff on mercs and merchants that the other books don't really address.
>>47654541
I'm looking for a word which delineates a region of space, not a political entity.
>>47655019
Granpa, stop talking to the foreign devils and get back in the car.
>>47655125
>I'm looking for a word which delineates a region of space, not a political entity.
That's dumb. Just call it the largest successor state. Or if you have to call it a slice, call it the largest slice of space residing under one banner. Thinly populated? Really where the fuck does that even come from? The Suns have more people than the Capellans and Lyrans combined.
>>47655212
>The Suns have more people than the Capellans and Lyrans combined.
Only if you consider Fedrats "people."
>>47654977
>Taurian fans I talked to about this lied to me, right?
I don't think I've ever seen a taurian fan, even the most tardcore pull out the "muh 100 million 4th sw" shit. That seems an exclusively cappie thing
How do hand held melee weapons work?
You know, I find a lot of complaints against CGL pretty petty, but honestly, what the fuck is up with the Battleshop? How does a company run such an obviously incompetent/unethical sales service? Person after person keeps posting about never getting any product and never getting hold of anyone. I got stuff from them long ago, but haven't ordered in years, and like hell if I'd ever order from them now. Is this Porchbux II: The New Extension?
>>47655289
He might be assuming Taurians care about the 4th War, which is a common mistake. Taurians know Operation Rat was really just a fake-out for an imminent invasion of the Concordat that was prevented only by the TDF's reputation and nukes.
>>47655385
Can you elaborate? I've never dealt with the Battleshop.
>>47655412
Well, as I said, I've personally had no trouble, but that was a long time ago. But people have been posting a ton in the past year or so on the OF about not getting their pre-orders, and then their mails going unanswered no matter who and how many they contact.
>>47655334
As of the latest errata just released, the only melee weapons that can be made into handhelds are the ones that have set stats that don't very according to weight, which is mostly things like chainsaws and mining drills and such, but also includes flails, chain whips, and vibroblades, but specifically not shields or spikes.
No restrictions on the weapon functionality any more either, but like all handhelds it requires using both hands, and the handheld can only contain the one melee weapon.
Let's stop factionposting and start posting mechs. How about a round of post-one-review-one?
we haven't done that in a while
Would a Grand Titan be reasonable to find in an AFFC regiment in the late 3050s? Or were they reserved for the Knights like Albatrosses?
>>47655628
I will post a Timber Wolf because it is my favorite 'Mech.
>>47655673
Nice Mad Cat.
>>47655526
Do hand held require their own heatsinks?
>>47655666
It's an IS general design, so it'd be fine in the later 50s.
>>47655774
Yes.
>>47655628
I guess I'll start. Part of a series of Thunderbolt refits of 3025 mechs.
>>47655628
>>47655673
The Timber Wolf is a nice all around mech with a variant for everyone.
>>47655466
I did order from them in the past but I had to wait over four months for delivery and had to e-mail them every week even to get that.
That was about two years ago.
So to me it sounds like it was shit and has gotten progressively worse.
And that was on top of BattleCorps failing to provide anything like the fiction output it was supposed to on the nearly $100 I dropped on an annual membership.
Then there's the video from GenCon last year where Coleman straight-up says the shop is fucked because they didn't know what they were getting into and don't know how to fix it. Judging by posts on the OF it's gotten a lot worse since then.
TL; DR you will have by far a better experience as a customer buying from literally anyone else.
Personally I make it a point to pirate everything BT-related that CGL releases. Not because I want their shitty TTS stuff or anything else, but because however petty it might be it's still the only way I can get back at them for the way they carry on as a company.
>>47655939
But without your money as a consumer, how are we supposed to pay to fix things? That's the downside of piracy - you pirate things and it costs us the sales we need to generate the revenue to fix the problems. Which means that when the problems continue, you have only yourself to blame. Pirate.
>>47655774
Allrighty then
>>47656046
You had money. Then you let Coleman steal most of it. Then you let Coleman stay on as one of the heads of the company. Then you started producing poorly laid-out, badly fact-checked product and degenerated into useless micro-content like Touring the Stars that the writers obviously have a hard-on for but which few if any fans want, put advancing the plotline on hold, and caved in to the demands for more Succession War content on the OF.
So no, assuming you really are with CGL, the problem isn't mine. I tried supporting you but only got shittier service and shitty products out of the deal, before eventually you started putting out shit nobody wanted any way. Surprise surprise, if you treat your customers like shit, they stop buying your stuff.
You only have yourself to blame. Idiot.Seriously can't tell if this is meant to be a troll post or an actual CGL one though.
>>47655673
I like it.
Got a solid armament, though I'm not so sure about only twelve shots for the big gun. Overall looks like it really wants to get in close and brawl, which it looks like it could do pretty well.
Now, here's a Cestus
>>47656258
It's a Cestus -6Y without an XLFE. It's okay I guess, but not really original.
BEHOLD MUH ROBUT
>>47656291
Speaking of original >>47656076. Its a silly design, but it'd be fun to let loose on a lance of mediums and pretend to be Jason Voorhees
>>47656367
Got your horror movie right here fampai.
>>47656417
Fuckin' reposted to fix my post and i fucked up the picture
>>47656291
>It's a Cestus -6Y without an XLFE. It's okay I guess, but not really original.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was going for.
It's the only mech I had on my phone, but I'll dig through the archives and see if I can find something of mine that's more interesting
>>47656498
Well if that's what you were going for, go nuts. Though I think the XL gives it a bit of charm, since the engine is added just so it can have a huge fuckoff gun.
Anyway, have the ultimate in Taurian engineering,
>>47656525
DARKEST OF AGES/10
>>47656465
It could kill elementals decently well?
It looks like a good underoptimized fluff machine. Just dump the second ton of streak ammo and give it CASE, because building mechs without CASE is just pure why
Anyways, I found this complete asshole of a grasshopper
>>47656465
I did this one ages ago for the "make a Waco-Beemer" challenge. Still like it, even with how much of a turd the Blazer is.
>>47656258
>I'm not so sure about only twelve shots for the big gun.
Well, the AC/5 to Tbolt-10+ammo swap is pure upgrade on almost every design that can take it. Even the ones that push their heat to the ragged edge (looking at you, Rifleman) can usually afford to drop a little ammo for better heat management. For some things, like the Shadow Hawk, dropping the AC and shitter LRM for a Tbolt is really nice. Too bad the system is from the late CI in Solaris instead of a desperation measure from the late Succession Wars.
>>47657010
>Too bad the system is from the late CI in Solaris instead of a desperation measure from the late Succession Wars.
In-fucking-deed.
It's actually pretty well balanced for the succession wars era, too.
>>47655939
>Personally I make it a point to pirate everything BT-related that CGL releases. Not because I want their shitty TTS stuff or anything else, but because however petty it might be it's still the only way I can get back at them for the way they carry on as a company.
Same. I refuse to give them a dime.
>b-but we can't get better without money
Too bad assholes, you burned that bridge years ago. Ditch sleazeweasel Coleman and cuckboi Randall and I *might* consider paying for something. Unfortunately, since those two have had their hands firmly around the neck of the franchise for decades now, it's probably never gonna happen.
I remember doing one as an experiment
>>47657247
Not shown
>Armoured actuators
>Armoured life support
>Armoured sensors
>Armoured engine
>Armoured Gyro
>>47656161
CGL doesn't actually post here, since they can't erase threads to hide their fuckups. They just bitch about us elsewhere.
>>47657275
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>things the rules for Superheavies prohibit, see p. 255 of FM:3145
OK.
>>47657247
Superheavies can't have Armoured Components though.
How's my FCCW-era FedSuns merc lance?
>Cestus-6Z
>Grasshopper-5H
>Chameleon-7W
>Wolverine-6M
>>47657340
>>47657377
I didnt even know that was a thing, I just cracked open MML and got to work with whatever it would let me do, BUT THAT'S NOTHING TO ILLEGAL QUIRK CANT FIX!
So how many of you actually play irl?
There's a local comics and games store not too far from where I live but it's mainly the tcg's and other board/wargames/penpapers that seem to be played their from what I can tell.
>>47658281
Most of us do.
MegaMek makes it pretty easy to set up a game these days if you can't play it in person, or if you want to play against someone on a different continent.
>>47657486
>So a St. Ives, a Drac, a Marik and a training machine walk into a bar...
IDK man. Looks a bit bizarre. If you want a unit that looks like it's been based out of the FedSuns for a while, a Centurion, Enforcer, or Dervish might help. The varying speeds also mean you risk getting strung out, might want to decide whether you want to go 4/6 or 5/8 across the board.
>>47658281
>So how many of you actually play irl?
Got a game scheduled for Saturday, a tournament the week after, and I'm training a newbie on Wednesday. In the meantime I've got a dozen terrain pieces and a shit-tonne of 'Mechs to paint (though fortunately most of them are the Killers, which is an easy scheme.)
>>47658353
>St. Ives, a Drac
Not him, but I can't remember any of those mechs being associated with either of those factions
Have I been a fool who has been wasting the chance for drac cestuses this whole time?
Question. Was anything released for A Time of War other than the corebook and the companion?
>>47658311
>>47658505
Cool.
Maybe when I get the time to go up there I can see what the Battletech scene is like in there.
If there is one.
Never actually played. Got introduced to the series like many others through the videogames years ago.
Always wanted to play though.
>>47656709
Damn that's an evil Grasshopper. I have to try this out.
Are there any Intro Box designs that are particularly rare or common among ComStar/WoB forces?
I'm thinking about starting a force for them and am wondering if an intro box would be useful to bulk that out.
>>47659970
Old school Comguard used mostly old SLDF machines which aren't much represented in the introbox really. The most SLDF-y would probably be the Spider, Awesome, and Atlas. In the later Clan invasion, the Cyclops 11-G is mentioned as being made for the Com Guard among others, too.
The WoB made variants at captured facilities for several things:
Commando 7B
Panther 14S
Hermes II 5C
Zeus 10WB
Banshee 8S
In addition, they tended to have more of FWL machines, specifically the Trebuchet and Cicada, and are mentioned to have a fair number of Grasshoppers as well.
Quickdraws and Hunchbacks are pretty common in general, as are Dervishes.
Vindicators are uncommon outside the Confederation, Assassins are just uncommon in general.
>>47659970
With everything in the introbox properly sorted out into lances with NEA's guide, I usually use the mechs left over since all of them fit as options for ComStar:
>Quickdraw
>Whitworth
>Assassin
>Clint
>Cicada
Then I add a Level I or so of infantry and adjust pilot/gunnery scores for BV.
How many Lyran regiments declared for Victor during the FCCW?
Besides the 10th Lyran Guards.
>>47654124
>>47654204
This felt necessary to make
>>47660793
Not many. Most Lyrans were upset and angry with Victor's lifelong decisions to raise himself on New Avalon, attend the NAIS instead of a Lyran academy, speak French and English as first languages instead of German, be assigned to exclusively Davion regiments instead of Steiner ones, and adopt the traditionally Davion heir's regiment instead of the Steiner one.
He was so utterly Davion through-and-through that Lyrans found no reason to trust him, and Davionists fought to the death against Katherine when she took the regency at Yvonne's request.
>>47661246
>attend the NAIS instead of a Lyran academy
Wait what? Didn't Vic graduate from the Nagelring? Because I remember that scene in the beginning of Lethal Heritage where he attends the ball with the cock who turned traitor in the animated series.
>>47660950
10/10 i kek'd
>>47661335
Which traitor?
>>47661600
The bloke with the Spanish name, which I can't remember off hand.
>>47661600
Ciro Ramirez.
>>47661642
>>47661676
The guy Victor did a racist impression of? lol
>Victor composed his face into a fair imitation of the recently departed cadet and let his voice rise up to match Ciro's. "Si, Mummy, the Duke and I engaged our forces against each other in class last fall. I wouldn't say I embarrassed Victor, but the outcome was most unexpected."
classic Stackpole
>>47660478
>Vindicators are uncommon outside the Confederation
Not if you border them
Where do you guys get your minis from?
>>47661943
I've never had to buy any. The folks at my LGS got into a habit of allowing "trials of possession" for minis years ago. When I joined in a guy let me have an Orion for starts. Every mini I've gotten since then has been via trial.
>>47661983
You fighto with much honorabu
>develop decent-sized OOB for anticipated game
>gets canceled
Dagnabit.
This happen to anyone else?
>>47655800
Looking at the MUL I'm kind of surprised. Only Earthwerks-FWL manufactures it but it's available to literally everyone, even the wunderkind Canopians.
I'd have thought it would be limited, by necessity, to the rebuilding FedCom forces, FWLM and WoBM.
Anyway, here's my FedCom company:
Command Lance
>T-IT-N10M Grand Titan
>WR-DG-02FC War Dog
>GHR-5J Grasshopper
>HCT-5S Hachetman
Battle Lance
>MDG-1A Rakshasa
>FLC-8R Falconer
>WVR-7D Wolverine
>ENF-5D Enforcer
Support Lance
>TLN-5W Talon
>STH-1D Stealth
>SCB-9A Scarabus
>ALM-7D Fireball
>>47662516
The FWL doesn't usually get any exclusive designs. Whatever they have just assume everyone else has it and with probably better variants. See: Jackal.
>>47658622
The Handbooks have a page or two of RPG stuff in the back, and the Era Reports or Digests probably do too
>>47661983
>"I declare a Trial of Possession for this early Marauder. I bid MY FISTS."
Is it ever explained how the clans manage to turn loyalties like they do with captured mech warriors like ciro?
>>47662820
Shock and Stockholm syndrome could play a part. IIRC in Ciro's case it was that he hated Adam Steiner a lot.
>>47662820
They're a superior society with advanced tech and responsibility-free sex. It's pretty easy.
>>47662914
>responsibility-free
But what about kids? If a trueborn decides to bump uglies with another trueborn, or with a freebirth, do they just stuff as much contraceptives as they can?
Even with their low population numbers?
>>47663091
The trueborns use, IIRC, contraceptive implants, and most of them wouldn't shag a freeborn under any circumstance. The "free sex" bit is mostly contained within the trueborn warriors.
>>47663091
In the Jade Phoenix trilogy it was stated that a trueborn had to actively make the decision to have a child.
>>47662397
Yes. Just hang on to it, and you might could use it later.
>>47658281
>So how many of you actually play irl?
I played on Sunday, and I'm playing again tomorrow. Probably doing some painting with a buddy tomorrow too.
>>47660793
Shattered Sphere and the FMs for the Lyrans have a list of what units support which leader.
According to the latter, Victor had 4 regiments of the LAAF plus the 10th Lyran loyal to him before the war broke out. Maybe the FedCom Civil War SB has more details than that.
>>47661246
Man what. Is this some Katherine-tier revisionist history, a troll post, or do you actually believe this? Because literally nothing you said here is correct.
>>47662820
Not everyone is a fanatically loyal die-hard, and the Clans are nowhere near as bad as /btg/ memes out.
>>47663626
>the Clans are nowhere near as bad as /btg/ memes out.
Nah, they're probably worse. The fact that the average clanner is too horrifically maladjusted to recognize how bad the clans are doesn't make them any less awful
>>47663626
>Man what. Is this some Katherine-tier revisionist history, a troll post, or do you actually believe this? Because literally nothing you said here is correct.
It's a joke post, mocking how the actual facts of the matter and the way the FCCW acted that they were were literally complete opposites
>>47663736
OK, that makes more sense.
>>47663716
Oh, I forgot. Grorious Caperran Conflederation is paragon of morality, damn dirty clanners get out.
The way the SBs and novels show the Clans acting is no worse than the Houses. Whether you agree with or like that presentation is up to you, but personal opinion doesn't invalidate fluff.
>>47663895
>Grorious Caperran Conflederation is paragon of morality, damn dirty clanners get out
Oh no, the capcon and combine are also utter, utter shitholes, don't get me wrong
>>47663895
>>47663930
>The way the SBs and novels show the Clans acting is no worse than the Houses.
>It's a "the houses were shit in the early succession wars so the clans aren't terrible" episode
Here we fucking go again
>>47663956
don't bring /tv/ memes into it
>>47663930
Yeah but we also have fluff in the Jihad era where a planet that's been held by the Falcons for ~20 years is recaptured by the Lyrans and has its social order converted back going into open revolt because the treatment they got was so much shittier.
Clan Smoke Jaguar (and in the Homeworlds, the Coyotes) were definitely utter fucknuggets but everyone else seems to be about on par with the IS.
>>47663983
Don't forget how the burrs were canonically as bad as the jags until the late 60s, or the many and varied atrocities committed by the cloud cobras in the tannite worlds
>>47663983
Smoke Jaguars weren't any worse that the Dracs themselves, and in fact were better in some regards.
I don't remember the Jaguars killing the family of a man who admitted to committing a deadly crime, just the man himself. Kuritas kill the families.
>>47663956
Are a Lyran without money? Enjoy your shit-tier life.
Are a FedSunner born on the wrong planet? Enjoy your shit education, malnutrition, and being preyed upon because New Avalon needs the pitiful amount of money that would fix that to buy gold plating for 'Mechs in the Crucis March.
Are a Drac or Capellan? Haha, sucks to be you.
Are you a FWLer not from one of the core constituencies? Welp, enjoy being owned by a company and subject to its whims (Irian), being given away to the WoB (Gibson), etc etc etc.
The Houses acted like utter dickbags to large chunks of their populations even after the Succession Wars' genocides.
>>47664019
but anon, once the rampant nuking and murder of billions passed the Houses became good boyz that dindu nuffin :)
>>47663983
>about on par with the IS
The thing is the IS is so diverse that you can't actually make that claim. Some factions are better and some are worse, same as with the Clans.
>>47664013
>I don't remember the Jaguars killing the family of a man who admitted to committing a deadly crime, just the man himself.
What the shit?
The Jags are the ones who did Turtle Bay, and who in Exodus Road and other places were wiping out entire villages because some people who lived there were resisting in minor ways.
The Dracs, as shitty as they were, are the ones demonstrating more restraint.
>>47664006
The writing about the Bears is so bad my eyes just gloss over when I read about them. "Yeah, we were Jagging harder until we realised we had conquered Space Sweden, and then we made friends with the Space Swedes instead because we're also Space Swedes, and then the Space Swedes demanded to merge with us, and then we lived happily ever after building Leviathans."
>>47664013
>I don't remember the Jaguars killing the family of a man who admitted to committing a deadly crime, just the man himself.
No, they would burn down the whole village.
They also engaged in mass forced sterilization, regularly caused famines that killed fucktons of people, would randomly massacre civilians for no reason, work people to death in slave labor camps and many other terrible things
>>47664070
>The Dracs, as shitty as they were, are the ones demonstrating more restraint.
lol what? The Dracs imported slave labor to planets, used biological weapons in the 4th succession war, and didn't just murder the accused but murdered there whole families.
Restraint my ass.
>>47664081
>A bald-headed, saffron-robed Buddhist monk walked down the rubble-strewn street toward the Smoke Jaguars. He held his hands pressed together just below his chin and bowed to the lead infantryman. "You will forgive me for not appearing sooner. I had sought to deny my fate. I planted the bomb you described. You need punish no one else."
>Without hesitation or remorse, the infantryman swung his laser rifle around and triggered it. The bolts stitched their way up the monk's body and knocked him flying. He finally rolled to a stop, smoke rising from the black crater where his face should have been.
>The Smoke Jaguars then turned and walked away as though nothing untoward had happened.
Must not be a Jaguar.
Takashi Kurita, meanwhile, would have had the monk's brothers shot too.
Is there anyone like MadCap, but for the clans? I really want to read their "An OOC Defense Of The Clans", because I'm certain it'd be fucking hilarious
>>47664070
>>47664081
>kuritas is good boyz, dey dindu nuffin
You sound like the fans that were butthurt HB:HK copypasted their brutal history.
>>47664147
>were butthurt HB:HK copypasted their brutal history.
I'm not even a drac fan and I was annoyed by that. Fuckin CGL and their lazy copypasta shit instead of being bothered to do actual work
>>47664226
It's lazy but it does say a lot about the Kuritas that yeah, they're pretty much evil. They were the designated bad guys back when.
>>47664264
So were the Cappies but at least Schmetzer and Herb unfucked them. Rome sat on the written final copy of HB: HK for a couple of years and it turned out to be copypasta.
>>47664264
>They were the designated bad guys back when.
So were the cappies, but look what happened with that
>>47664125
And the Jags used orbital bombardment, deliberately caused famines across their OZ, and literally turned every planet they held into a work camp that turned out munitions. There are passages in the Twilight of the Clans SB where it's said they expect it to take several decades to unfuck each world.
The Dracs weren't as bad as that. Which isn't to say they were *good,* just that if the Jags were operating at a 100 on the 0-100 scale of Utter Shitbaggery To Civilians the Dracs would have been somewhere in the 60-80 range.
>Takashi Kurita, meanwhile, would have had the monk's brothers shot too.
>this happened in a city the Jaguars blew up from orbit hours or days after that scene, therefore the Dracs had more restraint than the Jags because they didn't kill anyone else at the time
The fuck?
>>47664146
Nobody's saying that the Clans are perfect, just that they're not all horror shows. Once you get past the extremists like the Jaguars or ignore rampant bullshit like the super perfect Bears, they wind up being about as good as a middling IS power or world, sometimes better.
>>47664264
>They were the designated bad guys back when
A US Midwest company in the mid-to-late eighties to early nineties going in full "slap a Jap" mode, in the vein of Crichton and Clancy with Rising Sun and Debt of Honour and their ilk? Colour me surprised. Plus the Cappies were something of an amalgam of the Sovs and Chicoms (an intel agency named "Maskirovka", for fuck sake). Considering Fasa's track record I was surprised the Lyran Commonwealth wasn't populated with Fritz von Adolfsbergs in the vein of Commando Comics.
>>47664348
>they wind up being about as good as a middling IS power or world, sometimes better.
I dunno man. It's still canon that the average member of the labor caste doesn't live past 50, and I can't think of any part of the IS that is THAT bad
>>47664401
>Debt of Honour
Tom Clancy really went downhill after the cold war, didn't he? I mean, aside from rainbow six, pretty much all of his post-Sum Of All Fears books were kinda silly and out there (like the japs rearming and coming back for another go)
>>47664348
>The Dracs weren't as bad as that.
>killed 80% of Helm's population with nuclear weapons launched from space
lol what
>this happened in a city the Jaguars blew up from orbit hours or days after that scene, therefore the Dracs had more restraint than the Jags because they didn't kill anyone else at the time
What is this even supposed to say.
>>47664348
Even the worst Clan at its most extreme has barely committed a fraction of the atrocities some Inner Sphere states have.
>>47664404
>I can't think of any part of the IS that is THAT bad
>what is the Capellan Confederation
>what is the Draconis Combine
>what is the Outback/Skid Row
>what is Shiloh
>etc
I'm not gonna say WoK doesn't say that because it does, but OTOH we have much larger IS populations that are in the same boat. If not worse given what Servitorship or Untouchable status indicates.
We also have indications in other sources that the Clan civilians are living a lot longer than that and in better conditions, like the Jade Phoenix trilogy or in the various Clan SBs where life for civilians doesn't seem meaningfully worse than it is in the IS for a similar strata of society.
BT writing is a bit like that, if you want to go looking you can find something contradictory. I just take WoK's stuff on the issue to mean that life in the Clans is not as good as living on a rich IS world like Tharkad or New Avalon, which I don't think would surprise too many people any way.
>>47664401
>Considering Fasa's track record I was surprised the Lyran Commonwealth wasn't populated with Fritz von Adolfsbergs in the vein of Commando Comics.
They were.
>>47664500
He'll probably try to munch semantics over dates so don't forget to mention the Dracs also recently genocided the Nova Cats in the fluff. They good boys though.
>>47664539
I think the key difference is that we've seen what the Clans did play out in novels and SBs released in our lifetimes- "live on TV" if you will.
Meanwhile the Succession War/Reunification War dickbaggery of the IS occurs mostly "off screen" in the historical segment of books and nobody likes to think about it that much.
>>47664500
>>47664565
If you bring the Succession Wars into this the Clans look like absolute saints by comparison. Even asshats like the Jags.
No surprise the "but the Clans are WOOOOOORSE!" side wants to keep that out of the argument as much as possible.
>>47663193
What do you play on? Grid or ruler distance?
>>47664544
Well the dumb German I give you ("Eisensturm"), but they weren't Space Nazis or even Space Prussians, given how the Prussians actually have form in trouncing opponents and were known for their good military machine.
Meanwhile, the DC is a combination of the worst stratification of Tokugawa-era Japan combined with Rape of Nanking/WW2 era Showa Japan, so much so that the anti-semitism and ordered religion per caste shit like "Shinto superstition" seem like stuff tacked on for extra evil points. The CC is a mix of Stalinist and Maoist purges with an insane tyrant at the helm and an army that folded like the Sovs in early Barbarossa.
>>47664604
>I think the key difference is that we've seen what the Clans did play out in novels and SBs released in our lifetimes- "live on TV" if you will.
This. In the era of battletech that most people play/read the lore in, which is 3025-67, the clans are doing rather more dickbag stuff than the IS powers
>>47664604
That's a fair assessment. I never read the novels but I can understand them colouring views.
Let's drop this shit and get back to posting mechs, cause that worked reasonably well last night. I'll start with a pile of very basic L2 refits of the unseen
>>47664070
SWEDEN
YES
>>47664066
I thought that since most of the factions were related to the Star League that all of them were terrible in their own way?
>>47665315
Those look pretty decent (aside from the horribly overheating shad, but I'm guessing it was supposed to have DHS).
They would make decent merc refits in the 50s, or house second-line refits in the jihad era.
I do have a question, though. If you were doing the unseen, where's the Battlemaster? I can see why you wouldn't bother with the bugs, but why no beemer?
>>47665315
Speaking of the Unseen are there any that didn't get Clan remakes?
>>47666537
Wolverine (huehuehue).
The Wasp, Valkyrie, Scorpion, Crusader, Archer, Goliath and Longbow never got anything either.
>>47666599
>Wolverine
The Hellhound was basically the wolverine IIC, but for obvious reasons, they don't call it that
>>47666599
Well now there's a spot for a challenge.
Make a IIC version of one of those. Can be within 10 tons of the original, either way. Maybe add some fluff on who built it and when.
>>47665315
Did the Capellans continue to develop AI after what happened on Necromo?
>>47666711
Archer IIC was the Wolf original, and was used by Jaimie before he had to downgrade for the Dragoon mission. Built soon after the tech became available, fell into disuse because it was such a missile-heavy design and duelling was starting to emphasise energy and ballistic weapons for skilled shots rather than pushing an ALL THE MISSILES button every ten seconds.
Archer IIC 2 was used by some Clans who tried to rehabilitate it a bit for the rising duelling scene. Not popular because too much heat and not enough speed or damage.
IIC 3was an attempt by the Jaguarsto JAG HARDER by going faster, but even they packed it in because the Archer IIC had such an association with Wolf freebirths.
>Captcha: Choose all storefronts
>No storefronts, but two gravestones
>select the gravestones so it refreshes and gives me another challenge
>accepts the selection of gravestones
wat
>>47667216
I like this, especially the IIC 3.
>>47667216
>Captcha: Choose all storefronts
>No storefronts, but two gravestones
>select the gravestones so it refreshes and gives me another challenge
>accepts the selection of gravestones
IT'S NOT A GRAVE, IT'S THE STORE YOU CHOSE
Do they ever mention what became of Ciro or Nicolai Malthus after the Clan Invasion?
>>47667563
they died in HONORABU BATTARU i assume
>>47666646
I really hope we get a Shimmyseen Conjuror that's almost as sexy as the original. Some of the Reseen stuff isn't bad looking/and or I actually prefer, but that ain't one of them.
>>47666711
Longbow IIC, built as a pure fire-support design. Unpopular because who the fuck wants to stand off doing LRM barrages while others reap the glory, the Clans tried to rework it as a direct fire-support machine which could also handle AA and anti-vehicle duties along with wrecking Lights from a distance.
>>47667212
Probably. Just hidden away from sight of prying eyes.
>>47667563
IIRC the Malthus line was considered dishonoured because of the Falcon Guard, and Nicolai's antics didn't help that cause. I think he was recalled to the Homeworlds and deployed as solamha.
Ciro I don't remember hearing anything about after the Sommerset Strikers.
>>47667563
http://youtu.be/a9-cAom5vJg
>>47666537
>>47666599
>>47666646
On the subject of SLDF machines that should have gotten IIC models, here's my go at an emperor IIC. The -2 I kinda think of as a blood spirit machine, designed to be cheaper and somewhat more durable
>>47667216
Those are all solid mechs. Have to say, I don't think I've seen any mech use a 350 SFE before
>>47668162
Here's the-3, which is basically a -6S but not ruined by 11 crit IS LBX-20s
>>47668225
And the -5, which is just an abomination
Don't know where the -4 went, but it was kinda boring anyhow
>>47668162
There's a bunch of IICs that are conspicuous by their absence, like the Atlas or Devastator which were designed by Aleksandr and at one point or another piloted by Nicholas and Andery. Or the Crab, which was a standard SLDF 'Mech.
Others I can kind of understand given how boring they'd be (Black Knight, which one of the Falcons' original Khans piloted and you'd expect them to have) and/or how much OOC bitching they'd cause (Awesome, though I guess you can argue the Warhawk is its spiritual successor).
Got a few more mechs built, King Crab and Madcat are new, decided not to have flailing-arms regular brand Crab, added another urban mech to the group, only things left to make now are a Trebuchet and a second locust.
Probably gonna mod the crab with some spare bits to give it a laser mount rather than the twin missile set-up it has. Getting a small pile of spare guns from things that have options, which is neat.
>>47666814
read that as FerroLamAssSlut.jpg
>>47668441
>Devastator
I mean, as we can see from your stats, a Devastator IIC would have simply been too cheesy to allow.
Another good example of a missing IIC is the stalker; it was one of the most common SLDF mechs, and yet no IIC
>>47667595
>>47668014
>>47668073
Just wondering.
I remember reading that the EI (those funky looking green tattoos) tend to wind up causing problems for the Warrior in the long run and I notice every Clan Warrior in the show had them so.
>>47668585
Stalker IIC is the Blood Kite.
Devastator IIC is not significantly worse than the IS Devastator, same thing if you upgrade the Thunderhawk or Nightstar. Cat is out of the bag there.
>>47668636
It's called EI and it gradually drives the user insane and kills them after ~10 years.
However it does grant the user significant advantages when in their machine and if a Clan warrior hasn't earned their Bloodname in ~10 years or so they're unlikely to ever win one. So less-skilled Elementals and MechWarriors may opt for it to gain an edge, though questions may remain over the quality of their genetics given they had to resort to such a crutch to win their Bloodname to begin with.
It's also something aggressive Crusaders got more than anyone else so it might serve a purpose in signalling political allegiance.
>>47668731
>worse
Better, I mean.
>>47668731
>It's called EI and it gradually drives the user insane and kills them after ~10 years
So I assume it's unlikely many of the Clan Warriors seen in the animated series would be around past a decade?
>>47668752
I dunno, doubling the number of headcappers seems like a pretty significant upgrade to me
>>47668441
Those are pretty cool.
There should be a Crusader IIC. With two later variants, one Jade Falcon and one Smoke Jaguar.
>>47668779
Depends on how much political power they were able to garner during their career. It's primarily a meritocracy but as individuals like Elias Crichell show if you have enough clout it doesn't matter if your skills or brain have gone to shit.
Nicolai Malthus was probably tainted by the fall of the Malthus line and like the rest of them most likely got sent back the Clan Homeworlds and assigned to second-line duty, especially after his comical failures against Adam Steiner.
The rest would depend on what they managed to do and whether they were also tainted by his fall.
Most probably their either go insane and get killed due to lack of instinct/skill/rationality in battle or suffer neural degeneration and wash out of front-line service within 10 years, tops. Some of those Falcon characters probably had their EI implanted before the show began- typical age for a Star Colonel is around 30 barring super exceptional individuals, so Nicolai might already have been on his way out.
>>47668793
Headcappers are a wildly overstated threat IME. I don't find much difference between having two and having four, the difference is more with heat issues and ammo; the Dev IIC I posted does have limited GR ammo, after all.
>>47668779
Pretty much.
Speaking of clantech, how hard would it be for an IS manufacturer to build ammo, just ammo for clan ballistics?
Would this be possible in the 3050s?
>>47668975
Apparently about as difficult as manufacturing Clan weapons, given several Clan weapons have different ranges to their IS cousins, either having longer bands or lower minimum ranges.
The prohibition on using IS ammo for Clan weapons or vice versa even extends to Gauss Rifles, because reasons.
>>47669057
>The prohibition on using IS ammo for Clan weapons or vice versa even extends to Gauss Rifles, because reason
This is true. If you're using improvised ammo rules to load I-beams or something into Gauss Rifles, you can only use ClanTech metal girders in Clanttech Gauss weapons. It's not like a completely solid an inert hunk of metal of composition W and with the dimensions of X, Y, and Z can just be duplicated by someone with ready access to composition W and with the ability to exactly duplicate the dimensions of the first sample, y'know?
>>47666599
>>47666646
>The Hellhound was basically the wolverine IIC
It was actually written as the Wolverine IIC, according to the author (check the Paint-it-Pnk blog), and nobody was sure at the time why they changed the name.
What's the tech gap like between IIC's and Inner Sphere tech during the clan invasion? I know omnimechs were blowing through IS formations but would IIC equipped clusters be that deadly?
>>47668956
>Nicolai might already have been on his way out
And he had the nerve to call Redmond "past her prime"?
Speaking of which, I heard she shows up as an advisor for Martha Pryde later.
>>47669281
She shows up in Operation Audacity, yes.
>>47668894
I did something like that a while back. In light of the Crud being kind of cruddy, I kept them as pretty simple refits of the -3R (IIC) and the -2R (IIC 2).
I figure once the clans start building original designs, and especially omnis, the Crud IIC falls out of use by everyone but the Spirits and maybe some other poorer clans, with the Spirits favoring the base IIC for it's lack of fancy electronics or expensive structure. The IIC 2 regains some brief popularity with Falcon ristars during their Coventry campaign who trial for it as a symbol of dedication to the cause. Eventually the Spirits start upgrading their IICs to the IIC 3s when they begin their descent into the inevitable, and the combo of missile and heavy laser spam JAGS HARD enough for the design to spread to other clans, unfortunately too late for the Jaguars to actually appreciate it.
I thought at some point I made a IIC 4 that replaces the missiles with ATMS for entertainment purposes, but I guess it never made it onto paper.
>>47668975
Any half-competant machine shop could turn out GR ammo. Autocannon rounds would take some retooling, but an existing factory could do it with some lead time. Missiles would be hardest, I think, on account of all that clan miniaturization
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>>47669679
And here is a potential quick and dirty Crusader IIC mini, just add missiles.
>>47669219
We know it was written as the Wolverine IIC. We also know it was changed to another name because the Wolverines are the not-Named Clan.
We've known the latter since the Conjurer was even a thing even if PiP didn't have her say.
>>47669237
IICs use Clan tech. They just aren't configurable for specific plans or to fight expected enemies.
>>47669698
>Any half-competant machine shop could turn out GR ammo
Logically yes. IC not so much. A lot of BT is like that.
>>47669237
They were pretty much as deadly as the frontline machines, but not as adaptable
>>47669782
Aren't most IICs actually, mechanically speaking, largely superior to Clan frontliners, or at least a similar bang for way less BV?
>>47669836
>Aren't most IICs actually, mechanically speaking, largely superior to Clan frontliners
Not really, there are good ones and bad ones, just like Omnis or the configurations for certain Omnis.
>or at least a similar bang for way less BV?
No. BV is calculated according to how effective a design is (supposed) to be. It doesn't care whether a design is an Omni or not, only what the chassis is equipped with.
Omnis are more expensive to build and more difficult to maintain but BV doesn't give a shit about that. You have to be playing with C-Bills to really notice any difference.
>>47669878
Hm, okay.
Probably the most immediate effectiveness difference between IIC/second line mechs and the omnis would be Elementals showing up less to the party, since they can't tote BA like omnis do.
>>47664666
Grids, you know, Classic BattleTech, like God intended. Fuck Alpha Strike.
>>47670134
But what if a want to finish a full battalion vs battalion game in less than a month?
>>47670002
Well, they can but you kinda have to abuse the rules to do so.
You just need to Swarm the target and then decline to make attacks once you grapple on. But then the carrying 'Mech can't jump or it'll knock them off.
>>47670198
I can play that over one 8-hour day, or a weekend if people want to really goof off.
MegaMek considerably speeds things up too.
The only thing that slows a game down is if people don't know the rules and have to keep looking stuff up a lot. The current rulebooks make that even worse due to their shit-tier layout, table of contents, and page references at the back.
>>47670134
I see.
Do you use pre-made maps or have some made on your own?
I've only heard the general way Alpha Strike plays out. Sounds like a more fast-n-furious and less in-depth system. I'm alright with a gridless, but less depth isn't something I'm all that fond of.
>>47670335
You can play standard BT without hex maps. And you can play AS with hex maps, for that matter.
>>47670212
>You just need to Swarm the target and then decline to make attacks once you grapple on
>>47670335
There are gridless minis rules for straight battletech. Not sure which book in the modern clusterfuck has them, but they were in BMRr
>>47670368
>>47670412
Ah. Cool beans.
I was more wondering because I have the space to make stuff, but working with grids seems a bit limiting in terms of what can be made because it has to not only be able to stick a mini on it, but also adhere to a grid.
>>47670212
Unfortunately for this plan, you can't attack friendly units. Sorry m8.
>>47670134
>using the ten years old, already dropped "Classic" term
>not knowing "Classic" Battletech has miniature rules
I swear to god, these grogs are getting stupider by the time
Where would be a good place to put a planet of space filipinos?
>>47671243
Right in the middle of the Lyran Alliance. You got germans, more germans, a few scotsmen, more germans, then suddenly BOOM PLANET FULL OF BOLO NIGGERS
>>47671318
There actually seem to be more Scots and Irish than Germans in the Lyran state.
>>47671359
I thought they were mostly in a specific province, like how Azami Province in the Combine has a lot of Arabs?
>>47671371
Well the Isle of Skye is Scottish and the Protectorate of Donegal is Irish, so discounting the Pakistani Tamar Pact that leaves the Commonwealth fairly Scotch-Irish. House Steiner, the family, is German. And were the ones who promoted German as the language of court and state.
>>47671465
Reminds me of what happened to the Russians in the Capellan Confederation.
I'm going to try to GM this game pretty soon.
Am I dumb or can I not find how much HP a character has? Is it just Body X 10 like MW1? How does the wound table work on the character sheet?
I also can't see how the steps of combat progresses. Are attacks simultaneous like Battletech, or do they happen in order like D & D?
>>47671761
Combat steps occur by ascending initiative order, p. 52. While the lowest initiative score usually goes first people with high initiative can "seize the initiative" and act whenever they like, including hearing the actions of other (N)PCs and then disrupting their planned moves.
For Wounds there's a Condition Monitor on the character record sheet, you just cross off the boxes for Body ratings you don't have. It's on p. 57.
>>47671243
Free Worlds League.
Or if you want religious friction, the FedSuns with their heretical version of the Catholic Church.
>>47671581
Spontaneously ceased to exist after Xin Sheng.
Pretty much, any way.
In terms of replacing losses, could an Inner Sphere power like the Lyran Commonwealth or Draconis Combine outlast an assault from their Clan neighbors simply by having the industry to replace losses in material far easier?
Also, are there any unique components that go into Omnimechs that can only be created with resources from the Kerensky Cluster?
>>47671761
The binding on that book is pretty awful, so the personal combat chapter might have fallen out. Do you have pages 52 and 57?
HP is Body x 10, but it's divided into five rows so that when you take a hit in BattleTech you can just mark off a whole row (the "save" is equal to a consciousness roll). You can take bruising damage, which works the same as in White Wolf.
Attacks happen in order, like in D&D, except that characters with good initiative can interrupt characters with bad initiative.
>>47672167
Clan mechs are made with unobtanium.
>>47672188
OK, thanks, that helps. I do have those pages, I just was reading pretty quick and not comprehending.
Looking at the weapon damages, combat seems like it will be pretty bloody. It seems like it is more advantages for the player winning the advantage to shoot first because a character getting shot can be incapacitated easily.
>>47672167
>In terms of replacing losses, could an Inner Sphere power like the Lyran Commonwealth or Draconis Combine outlast an assault from their Clan neighbors simply by having the industry to replace losses in material far easier?
Replacement rates occur at the speed of plot. After the FedCom Civil War the Suns literally whipped about a dozen fully upgraded, 3067-tech out of its ass thanks to 'Mech boneyards that nobody else had and which have never been mentioned before or since. Meanwhile everyone else in that time period rebuilt for a grand total of fuck all.
So the answer, for better or for worse, is "whatever works for the story you want to tell."
>Also, are there any unique components that go into Omnimechs that can only be created with resources from the Kerensky Cluster?
Nope. The difference is purely the level to which materials are refined and the effectiveness of individual components.
By the mid-50s the IS can replicate Clan tech but it's insanely expensive and can only be done in limited amounts due to the material purity and complexity of components involved. It gets successively easier after that to the point that in the Dark Age most factions have native Clan-level manufacturing for at least some items.
The only exception to that is HarJel, the goo that seals damaged ship hulls and battle armour. For whatever reason it can't be synthesised and the only sources available are one of the Clan Homeworlds (I forget which one but it's one with extensive oceans- Circe, maybe?) or Twycross in the IS and the only way to get a hold of it is to negotiate with the Diamond Sharks/Sea Foxes.
>>47672362
>about a dozen fully upgraded
I either need to proof-read more or drink less when posting here. Should be:
>about a dozen fully upgraded, 3067-tech regiments.
>>47671581
The Russian-majority territories were the ones overrun by the FedSuns in the 4th War (Tikonov). Not surprising that they no longer had much of a cultural impact afterwards.
>>47671243
Taurian Concordat has the right sort of lunatic machismo going, and they do speak spanish. But >>47672137 's suggestion of suns for [angry catholic noises] is a good one. Maybe one of the captured taurian worlds in the outback?
>>47654124
>>47660950
Sixth of June is over. Wobbies can go back to sucking the Master's cock.
>>47673192
You're just jelly that there's no such delicious cock for you.
>>47673248
>chrome-plated dildo
>delicious
Do all wobbies huff paint or just you
