Warhammer Fantasy General: What A Terrible Night To Have A Curse Edition
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>>47627937
Is there a good system for setting up a tabletop/pen and paper game?
I doubt I could convince my friends to play the 2nd edition, given all the random bullshit involved in character creation.
So, ignoring the Fag Times, Esmer got kicked out and fled to Marienburg, Volkmar resumed his position as Grand Theogonist, and Luthor Huss stayed at his right hand, right?
>>47628070
You mean you want a Warhammer RPG other than Warhammer Fantasy RPG?
>>47629182
Yes.
>>47629459
Not sure if you need one. You can just dress up another RPG as Warhammer, can't you?
I don't think any other RPG exists unless you want to play 1e Warhammer.
>>47627937
Does anyone remember that mini-game Path to Glory?
>>47629508
I was thinking of one that works really well as a system.
Like, whether I should go for GURPS or something.
>>47628070
>I doubt I could convince my friends to play the 2nd edition, given all the random bullshit involved in character creation.
Find new friends or change the chargen rules slightly.
At the risk of being a faggot I've run into trouble and this seemed like the best place I could get help, anybody know how to stop the fucking Vargs and Skaelings in total Warhammer? They are annoying the ever loving sigmar out of me burning my shit down and running just out of my poor undead legions reach even with the home region bonus move mod and they seem inexplicably immune to attrition, anybody got any advice?
Going through my Fantasy folder and sorting stuff, found these. Not sure what they were for or why I saved them.
>>47631094
>>47630525
Just nake sure every province has level 2 walls, norscans cant make any chaos warrior units other than maurauders/chariots/warhounds and trolls.
You could also go send heimmlich kremler on a suicide mission with. A stack of skeletons, go to norsca and raze it down, he's a legendary lord so he"ll be back in your capital in a few turns even of hos army is wiped from the chaos attrition
>>47631094
>Ogre Kingdoms
>No cons
Seems accurate
>You will never stumble upon a furry beastmen orgy while strolling through Drakwald
WHY EVEN LIVE
>>47631826
You want to see animals shitting on each other?
Sincerely hope AoS fails and GW finally sees how they hit themselves in the balls with scrapping FB.
Too bad 12-year-old kids would ensure AoS thrives, though.
>>47627937
Howdy y'all,
I'd like to ask around and see if there are any /tg/ based Warhammer Fantasy skype groups, and if there aren't I'd like to start one.
It'd be for both general chat about models, rules, and the fluff/setting as well as pairing off for Warhammer Roleplay.
Add me, john.law87
>>47632285
Doubt it.
AoS burned bridges badly with the gaming community, and especially the FLGS.
The only places it will survive long is where there is a physical GW store, which there's less than there has ever been because the business model is outdated in the current market.
Did the Lizardmen ever venture outside of the New World?
>>47633296
They were everywhere until someonechaosbroke the planet.
That's their whole thing. They were supposed to be the caretakers for the old ones, but they can't do that anymore since they are cold blooded.
>>47632745
>>47632285
The back-to-basics kid-friendly rules and such is a good idea in my opinion.
Sure the old rules "kept normies out" but at the cost of very few new players actually making it into the community.
I don't like the new setting very much and I can't forgive them for what they did to the old world but outside of lore-rape the changes weren't awful.
>>47633464
>since they are cold blooded
I'm pretty sure it's not climate that stops lizardmen from acting more than simply not having clear orders to followand being a relatively marginal faction that is not allowed to be in the spotlight
>>47633296
There were also some lizardmen on the southern continent, to the west and south of the Tomb Kings, as well as supposedly some on the Dragon Isles, south of the Chaos Dwarves.
>>>/vg/144570612
gj guys.
>>47633464
>>47633819
I'm mostly just looking for a way to incorporate the race into a small Old World mod for Warband, but was never under any guise that it was plausible. Just have the (crappy) models available from another mod.
>>47634235
Lizardmen holds active holds are not in the old world, they are in lustria, southlands and remote locations, the closest you can get is the recently built city of konquata in albion.
If you want reasons for lizardmen incursions: Relics, geomantic nodes recalibration, extermination campaign
If you want ways for travel: Underway, stargates and flying cities
>>47633889
What am I supposed to read here?
>>47634005
Why aren't you using copters?
Can anyone help me identify these models?
>>47634399
Bottom-right, square-green base is Shadowblade's old model for Dark Elves. The one to his left, followed by the three other scythe wielders, are 6E-ish era Wraiths. Ghost-titties is a 6E-era Banshee, model to her right is a 6E-era Necromancer, model above her a Necrarch Vampire, model above that a Lahmia Vampire. Can't tell the other two. All the non-Shadowblade ones are Vampire Counts.
>>47632285
WHFB is never coming back, even though Total War is now more popular than AoS ever will be.
>>47634496
Thanks bud.
>>47633296
They had established colonies in the Southlands (i.e. south of the Land of the Dead/Araby)
They also could open up portals and teleport to other places for raids. They've attacked Nagarroth and Ulthuan this way. It required a Slaan Priest to actually care enough about something tho.
>>47634588
Not to mention Mordheim and Vermintide finally came out.
Burning the whole world was poorly timed, they are bungling good opportunities.
Why does nobody ever discuss trading miniatures and such here?
At least where I live in Texas face-to-face trading and bartertown trading are pretty popular among Warhammer Fantasy and 40k players.
Looking back, which faction was best for:
>Lore
>Tabletop
>>47633296
There is a kingdom in the south lands as well, mostly populated by skinks.
>>47634588
It's ok they have links to buy the models on the GW site that's all that's needes
>>47634799
Empire hands down
>>47634799
I don't understand what you mean by 'tabletop', like which was the funniest to play as/against or which was the bet for roflstomping?
>>47634799
>lore
Subjective
>table top
High elves, dark elves, woc in terms of base book strength
High elves had the strongest tournament standard unit in the game ala 40 white lions with banner of the world dragon.
>>47634799
What is that in the lower right? Chaos Dwarves?
>>47635573
Yes
Never forget Chaos Dwarfs
>>47633472
The problem is they tried to force us to play Age of Sigmar. Instead of trying to give an option, a second mode for play, they thought "End it, our fans will follow our ass like human centipede."
Haven't played WHFB since 7th, reading 8th ed rules on a whim. Am I right that in 8th there is no benefit to taking additional spellcasters except for variety and the small increase in channeling dice chances?
>>47634799
Is the chaos thing without the helmet supposed the be beastmen?
>>47637230
Naa, the chaos symbol without the helmet just to the right of the one with is deamons. The third banner down in the left row is beastmen.
>>47637341
Odd that it has a helmet too. Have a blocked off root cellar. Family had to lock up a ghoul or mutant child? Perfect spot
>>47637230
no that's daemons, beastmen is the banner above the tombkings thing
>>47634799
Empire, Bretonnia, High Elves, Dwarfs
Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos
Beastmen, Orcs and Goblins, Ogre Kingdoms, Vampire Counts
Tomb Kings, Lizardmen, Skaven, Chaos Dwarfs
>>47634496
You also have a necrarch on horse. Can't tell what the last thing is because of the lighting.
>>47636658
Multiple lores, Miscast insurance, resisting assassination.
Mandatory almost for VC and 9th TK.
>>47639072
Okay, so it is redundancy/breadth and not raw power like it was in 7th. Thanks.
>>47639239
No problem.
In 9th, its better to take multiple ones again.
>>47632285
In a way I kind of doubt scrapping Fantasy had done much damage to them. 40k has been their cash cow for a while now and they're even expanding into old territory with LotR and Specialist Games.
>>47634642
I've still yet to hear of the supposed flood of new players Total Warhammer was supposed to bring in.
Warseer and Dakka love their anecdotes, so if even a handful existed I'm sure they'd be on it like flies on shit.
>>47636200
They obviously viewed the rules portion of Fantasy as baggage, meaning there was no incentive to keep it around.
I also doubt they thought anything of the sort. They probably figured some might come along and some might stay, like with anything else.
This is honestly one of the problems with the fanbase of 40k and Fantasy online, they circle jerk each other so much over their beliefs they've lost the ability to consider for even a moment that GW is not dumber than them and that the company itself manufactures toy soldiers and in the grand scheme of things is small, it's not something on the level of a Walmart.
>>47629936
WHFRP 2e works really well as a system.
If chargen is your only problem let your players choose their career and give em points they can distribute 1 to 1 on their characteristics.
>>47633296
They have armies fighting all over the world to stem the tide of chaos. Kroq gar Is mentioned to have fought on every continent, even the southern wastes, and for rok has at least been as far as the ogre kingdoms. Despite being all over thenwod they never show up in anyone else's fluff other than the skavens. Even the tomb kings get mentioned fighting alongside imperials and wrecking the Norse
>>47633296
Albion had a sizable lizardman contingent on it. I think newer fluff had them conquer the continent completely.
Which faction is the absolute worst to be a captive under? What fates await the common man or woman who falls prey to the O&G, vampires, tomb kings, chaos dwarfs, beastmen, chaos warriors, dark elves and skaven?
And if you had to be a captive under one of those factions, which would you pick?
>>47641328
>I've still yet to hear of the supposed flood of new players Total Warhammer was supposed to bring in.
Pretty much every new player that popped up either here or on the sigmar general came due to total war tho
We have no way to measure the influx, but we more reasons to believe there's rather than the contrary
>>47641770
>O&G
>Slavery, abuses, tortures, meat
>vampires
>Bretonnian paesant tier servitude in life without the good aspects, undead, drink
>tomb kings
>Political captive, execution, execution by scarabs
>chaos dwarfs
>Too weak for slave labor, death by exhaustion
>beastmen
>Rape, abuses, tortures, meat
>warriors
>Slavery, sacrifice, torture, execution
>dark elves
>Slavery, servitude, sacrifice, execution, torture, abuses, bath
>skaven
>Slavery, tortures, abuses, meat
Dark elves<warriors<skaven<o&g<beastmen<chaos dwarfs<vampires<tomb kings
Tomb kings seem the most reasonable, at least I can ask for a quick death if I didn't fuck up a urn or something.
Got 6 necro knights and 3 chariots off ebay yesterday for £45.
Feels pretty good. Only need another 3 Sepulchral Stalkers and a unit of Ushabti and my Tomb Kings are pretty complete.
Is there any third party ushabti models that look good or am I gonna have to go to chinaman?
>>47642272
Damnit. I must have missed that. I'm checking the fantasy section of EBay pretty much daily. Got outbid for some Skinks this morning. Ballbags.
>>47632285
12yo don't play AoS tho. They play xwing or 40k
>>47641770
Carsteins and Tomb Kings seem to be the best.
Warriors of Khorne may give you a chance to redeem yourself by sword.
Dark elves and Beastman are the worst.
Dark Elves will torture you just for the sake of it,beastman will start eating you alive
>>47641934
Tomb Kings don't have any urges to satiate on their prisoners so you're unlikely to be bummed to death like with Beastmen.
>>47642323
Skinks and saurus are basically untouched in the new boxes. The saurus one in particular is better for making regiments, since it has 20 dudes in it instead of 16.
Only problem is bases. I'm going to need like sixty 25mms and thirty 20mms after my purchasing spree.
>>47641934
>bath
that doesn't sound too bad
>>47633472
The rules are awful, its one of the worst wargames on the market when it comes to rules. They are also needlessly complex in all the wrong ways but completely lacking in others.
The rules never kept people out in 6th edition and it frankly baffles me people think AoS was the solution instead of just going back to pre 8th edition WHFB. They were a top 5 selling game before that trainwreck.
>>47633472
Lad I started to play WHFB when I was 11 and the book was 300-pages thick. Stop thinking kids are retards because you are one.
>>47642996
I still don't understand why they included half points up until sixth edition. That shit was a pain to keep track of when writing out a list.
>>47643025
Not really different from full points desu.
>>47643044
It was difficult for my seven year old self, since I didn't want to write it out.
>>47642906
They don't bath with you as much as they bath IN you
>>47628070
>>47629936
3rd edition WFRP uses point-buy character creation, works well, and embeds more warhammer flavour in the mechanics than a random generic system would.
On the other hand it works best if you play with the physical cards and tokens and such, and those can be expensive or hard to get hold of.
>>47641770
Depends on what faction of every one you are taken prisoner by.
Sylvanians outright enjoyed being ruled by the Vampire Von Carsteins.
>>47642996
>Stop thinking kids are retards because you are one
>Implying implications
>>47634399
A necrach bloofline vampire on horse, a lahmia vampires, a necrach vampire om foot, a old necromancer, 3 wights, a spectral damsel and if im not mistaken the old dark elf assasin character
>>47634399
old cairn wraiths at least
>>47629524
I have a pdf of it on my phone, it seemed pretty damn cool, though the mutation table was rather disappointing!
So apparently Kislev was confirmed for DLC (CA created a placeholder wiki page for them, along with the Bretonianians) which they only do for playable races.
What does everyone want to see for there units?
>>47645621
Bear cavalry.
>>47645621
Ulrika.
>>47645621
Anything but massed bear cavalry.
>>47645621
TZARINA
I had the idea for a fluffy army where a desperate Empire general recruits a local necromancer to help "bolster" his army in the face of an Orc invasion, who agrees because he doesn't want to have his lair overrun by greenskins either.
"If anyone asks, you're a legitimate member of the amethyst college, right?"
>>47645879
The only way that would work is if there's NO Sigmarite priests left. Or priests of Morr.
Also, he pays off his soldiery.
Or is a Border Prince, they get a lot of leeway.
>>47645621
Winged Hussars, Polish/Slavic legacy is a-go!
Why are Empire Greatswords the best looking and comfiest unit in the whole of Warhammer?
>>47645879
I like it. I have a converted VC Army using all Empire bits.
>>47646105
You'd be comfy too if you were slaying monsters in your pajamas
Also it's because Perry bros scuplts are based
>>47645879
This might be common thing near Sylvanian boarder
>>47645672
Not as a unit, possibly as a commamder mount upgrade. Non-ridden warhears can be a unit.
>>47646105
I want to paint one up as giantdad.
>>47641934
If you're good looking, you might get a position as a sex slave when it comes to Dark Elves. It might get a little freaky, but it sure as hell beats toiling in misery or getting sacrificed.
>>47645879
As long as you don't have warpriests in your army it's fluffy.
>>47646172
Sort of the reverse of the Von Carsteins being able to use Empire militia/ state troops because they're the rightful rulers of that area.
I'm not sure if that's still a thing. It was in the back of the VC book back in 6th ed.
>>47642547
Dark elves torture you for fun and view you with utter contempt. Beastmen are jealous as fuck that the civilized races control their former lands and will take out their misery on you. The beastmen rulebook pretty much states several times that you will be raped, shit on, losses on, raped again, then eaten alive. The worst fate is for captains, generals, standard bearers and mages, or anyone in general who takes pride in nice things. Think of a stoic badass imperial general being captured by the beastmen. They won't just torture him, they'll humiliate and degrade him for days on end until he is a broken, weeping mess. Then they'll eat him alive.
>>47645621
everything that was in their armylist with zarina and boris as LL
>>47644338
Could you post it or tell me where to find the pdf? All I can find is the new AoS version
Speaking of sweet ebay purchases, I managed to snag these for £5. Came through today. Will be running them as a basic warlock and warlord though.
That's great considering that character models are the most expensive things now.
>>47647337
Rape is cannon in warhammer? Where does it say?
>>47647621
Back in the day when the Orcs could breed there was a small little story where it was inferred the townsfolk got raped.
Then there are a shit-ton of small little references throughout almost every Black Library book dealing with beastmen about it.
But overall I don't think they ever outright say that it's rape, they usually stop just short of saying it.
>>47647621
Its been implied a lot over the years, as far as I know only openly stated in BL boons.
Man. Rape tortured for eternal agony BDSM style by the Dark Elves, having a massive mace shoved in your anus, and dying in horrible pain by Slannesh Chaos Warriors, or animal fucked by Beastmen until you die.
What is the best option here?
>>47647983
Dark Elves mang
To the folks who recently recommended me Beasts in Velvet and Wine of Dreams, my thanks.
Those two books helped me wash out the lingering sour taste of the Valkia books and short-stories.
>>47647705
most of the references are from before black library existed
Fimir, for example.
>>47647983
Vampires. Lahmians, as a Bloodswain.
>>47646335
>If you're good looking, you might get a position as a sex slave when it comes to Dark Elves. It might get a little freaky
When dark elves get freaky, it's not 'spanking while edging you' freaky, it's 'running fish hooks through your skin and hanging you over a fire while sodomizing you with a barbed dildo' freaky.
>>47645621
>What does everyone want to see for there units?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc
I am so disappointed that the End Times did not have Abhorash, the original Blood Dragon, kicking serious ass.
What a letdown.
>>47647621
Fimir, who were going to be an army, canonically only reproduce through raping real people.
It was long implied that beastmen reproduce through raping real people, but some sources mention 'docile' beastwomen. That doesn't necessarily rule out rape.
>>47648414
Ushoran and muh Strigoi weren't even in it.
ET was 90% shit, generously.
>>47648512
Fimir are going to get some support from FW: There's a lord miniature coming
Is there a consensus on the 9th age ruleset? Do people actually use it?
>>47645621
>Kislev before Skaven
Stupid man-things
>>47648989
Is it Age of Smegmar? If so, who cares?
>>47649157
>Skaven before High Elves
I'll bet the Druchii are behind this.
>>47649156
I prefer KoW myself, it's so fast and fun than the less options you have to pimp your units aren't that much of a dealbreaker as I tought at first.
>>47649570
Go Back to your island lion fucker
>>47649828
>lion fucker
At least it's not his mom.
>>47649828
Dude, that's our island, not his.
>>47650477
Can you keep it down, you two?
Also don't go into our creepy forest.
>>47650477
Over my dead body...
>>47650518
You can fuck those trees for all I care.
>>47650556
With pleasure.
I love modders...
>>47650569
Gee mother what are we going to do tonight?
>>47650786
Meanwhile... armored berserkers
>>47650883
Oh god...that's Radious isn't it? Those are probally the most lore-breaking shit i've seen. Heavily armored slayers. Worst then the black orks with boys.
Chaos Dwarf Mercs are pretty lore friendly for Chaos Warriors though right?
>>47650883
>not even calling them brotherhood of grimnir
>>47650869
>Its Mommy Time!
>>47650984
He admittedly knows jack and a pile of shit about the lore. He cares even less.
>>47649292
>who cares?
People who can swap a base?
>>47650869
Wanna hang out?
>>47651020
>>47651073
>Open-faced helm
I prefer the "face shrouded in darkness" look for him. Gives him a more Darth Vader like look and makes it so you don't have to see his baked flesh.
>>47651031
Is he unwilling to make any concessions to it? Because some of what his mod does seems useful like not forcing Greenskins to wait for a t3 settlement to start researching the tech tree. And I thik he lowers upkeeps prrtty drastically.
>>47651168
>Is he unwilling to make any concessions to it?
He seemed to take the initial backlash into consideration. Don't know if anything came of that, I tend to just avoid his stuff.
I don't want to get a faceful of Dismounted Pegasus Knight Arquebusiers (Very Very Heavy Skirmishers).
>>47651135
Anything but Gelt's leftover Sigmarine prototype.
>mfw Radious already released a unit pack with 24 new units
One year from now and we will got hundreds of them. This shit is awesome.
>>47648409
>>47645672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WelFLZQiYCo
>>47651774
Now to just port them to Warband.
>>47646105
All the old-school state troops (including greatswords) are based. 7th ed and onwards state troops look like retards in pyjamas.
>>47650883
This doesn't even make sense even when looking at the Age of Sigmar units. Fyreslayers wear even LESS than normal Slayers so why the fuck is someone slapping armour onto them?
>>47651943
>>47629936
Try Savage Worlds, try just the plain rulebook with medieval themed rules, the modules for WHFRPG conversions are incomplete and clunky.
>>47651985
>>47651943
its radious m8
Does Naggoroth have bison beastmen?
>Be sad about WHFB squatting today, never thought much of it but meh
>Decide i miss the dwarves, go on GW webstore, maybe they still have some sweet longbeards in stock
>See the old armies units butchered to half their numbers
>Some miss core units, other miss special units
>WTF
>Karl Franz The Man is reducedto a generic general
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>47652459
>Kemmler is just a no-name necromancer
>>47633296
There's a Slann named Ulha'up who took a load of saurus and skinks to the Old World and then vanished
>>47641804
Those could have also been trolls, especially in the case of AoS.
>>47642952
What exactly makes it the worst ruleswise? There are definitely things that need work, but I think you're only saying it's the worst because the gameplay is simply not the type you enjoy.
To be honest, both 40k and Fantasy do have a lot of shit that satisfies the simulationist itch, but otherwise are just tedious. What is actually the point of having a WS chart when the result is always going to require a 3, 4, or 5+?
>>47652658
Want to spit up some blood, click this.
>>47654277
>>47654316
But to cheer you up and make you sadder at the same time...
>>47654277
>>47654316
At least they kept the models around.
>>47654277
Did they downgrade old Archaeon to a chaos lord? Please say yes, I need that model.
>>47647364
The op has the OG 2 volume 3ed edition version with entire d1000 mutation tables and several god specific ones and a whole host of lore and other goodies.
>>47654725
I think they completely removed it.
They're giving all the gods large kits and removing the cheap versions. Even the new ones like Alarielle so you have to buy the big expensivd kit on a huge mount.
That way if you want to field a named character you have to drop $80-$300.
>>47651071
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is only happening because they had some remnants left over when they scrapped Warhammer Forge. To my knowledge the current Fimir kit from FW doesn't allow you to build a champion for the unit.
>>47654725
No, he was discontinued. Probably because a mounted Chaos Lord already existed.
I dont think i have the latest email or catalog from Z. Is the 9.27 catalog still good to use, and the email ending in vip.163 still good? Its all i got from my last package, anyway
>>47654334
Man anon, why'd you do this to me...
>>47654828
One existed but the horse and pose was so much better for Archaeon.
Any idea where I can find a recast?
>>47652313
Naggaroth every kind of beast imaginable and they are known to work with Chaos armies.
Dark Elves aren't Dark Eldar who don't deal with Chaos at all out of fear. Malekith openly allies with daemons
>>47654334
GW's old website was so much easier to navigate and browse. Their current version is such shit.
>>47652048
All that lore breaking is really rustling my jimmies. Fucking radious you're triggering me stop!
>>47652048
This is pretty fucking rich that people are having a problem with Radious when he is basically comes off no different from the people who place their own headcanon above the lore and worse claim that neither 40k nor Fantasy have any canon and thus they're free to do what they want.
>>47655268
The problem likely was that it's easy to tell that Archaon is Archaon whereas the mounted Lord they retained is just generic Chaos.
>>47655711
Retconned, Dark Elves are Eldar now.
If you were making a Wardancer career for WFRP 2e, what would you include/how would you focus it?
>>47656111
They really aren't.
>>47652459
This is the darkest timeline for sure...
>>47656191
Well, technically they are Aelves which are even more Eldar.
But the only thing that distinguished Eldar and Dark Elves were the DE being into Chaos. Now they're just Dark
eldar minus the soulstones.
>>47656303
Well Dark Eldar don't have soulstones so...
>>47656144
I would base it off the 1st edition write up in the Apocrypha Now book, but tone it down in power a little.
>>47656399
They sorta turn their whole body into a soulstone that gets refueled with pain.
On an unrelated note I love the fluting on undead armor.
>>47656303
>Well, technically they are Aelves which are even more Eldar.
Not really since nothing about the Elves in AoS is known.
>But the only thing that distinguished Eldar and Dark Elves were the DE being into Chaos
Not the whole taking the racial superiority thing to the extreme and using it as a justification for their actions? Not being more ambitious, bloodthirsty, cruel, hard, etc? Not being willing to do almost anything in return for power?
Pretty sure there is quite a bit that makes Dark Elves differ from High Elves. They wouldn't have removed the secret worship of Slaanesh if they thought it was the only thing separating the two and not something that didn't sync up with the rest of the Dark Elf culture.
>>47656626
>Pretty sure there is quite a bit that makes Dark Elves differ from High Elves. They wouldn't have removed the secret worship of Slaanesh if they thought it was the only thing separating the two and not something that didn't sync up with the rest of the Dark Elf culture.
Got it. Remove anything unique, make one homogenous race across the continent.
>>47656967
Good to know that you think you know more about what makes Dark Elves unique than Priestley, Alan Merett, and Thorpe.
>>47657000
Funny, the golden era of lore had them as Chaos Elves.
So yes. The Atharti garbage came about in the two worst editions, 7 and 8.
>>47657140
I'm not sure having secret cults that worshiped Slaanesh and Malekith and Morathi bargaining with daemons really made them Chaos Elves.
>>47655732
but muh 4 million web designthat my wife's company did
>>47655224
It only gets worse.
>>47657372
Technically it was just another flavor of fluff you could use.
If you use Witch Elves, they're Khainite or Slaaneshi (AKA Shornaal as the Elves call him) at your discretion. If you field Morathi, they default to Slaanesh and if you field Malekith they default to Khaine.
It gave more flavor to have more than one possible allegiance. Its like taking away half the High Elf kingdoms, or getting rid of the character Ushoran and just lumping all Strigoi in as von Carsteins.
Less options is never a good thing. Its fine to call something uncommon, but putting a stamp on the lore that says "NEVER" or "ALWAYS" is pretty shitty.
Instead they just axed away half of the Dark Elf identity and in the process made Morathi completely useless, instead giving you a list of gods of which you know basically nothing except the symbol that represents them and a three sentence paragraph at best. It basically forces all Dark Elves into being Khaine worshipers.
It'd be the same as removing Isha and saying all High Elves are either Asuryan or one of the other minor deities. Or taking away Kurnous from Wood Elves. Its half of what most of their race identify with.
Rant over. I'm just against the dumbfuck idea that Elves cannot be seduced and corrupted using their pride by the Chaos God of seduction, corruption, and pride.
>>47657827
the Way I saw it, and I felt it was presented in earlier editions, Dark Elves weren't as much seduced by Slaanesh, but more of endulging in an partnership with mutual profit.
Maybe I can make it more clear, they are not doing evil shit because slaanesh abd khaine tells them to, they do evil shit because they love doing it, and Slaanesh+Khaine look favourable on their deeds.
But much like High Elves. Dark Elves have far higher willpower than Humans and are not easily seduced by higher beings.
>>47657827
They pretty much answered why they made the change though. It didn't make sense for the Elves to worship Slaanesh and yet at the same time worship Khaine instead of Khorne. One or the other had to go.
Yeah it's curtailing options, but it's for consistency and that is something I think is generally the right thing to do. Otherwise you can kind of pick apart everything and suddenly get justifications for Lizardmen and Daemons working together.
>>47657920
Malekith and Morathi (and many Dark Elves that practiced sorcery) believed they could control the winds of magic and Chaos and bind it to their will. I believe Malekith has struck pacts with the Dark Gods before in the lore, but 8th may have changed this. I didn't really read up on any more Fantasy after it was destroyed.
Basically the Dark Elves were never really partners with Slaanesh so much as they (thought) they were using Slaanesh for their own gain, and would be delighted to control Her and all of Chaos if they could manage it.
That's the impression I always got anyway.
>>47657961
>They pretty much answered why they made the change though
It was a shitty answer.
>It didn't make sense for the Elves to worship Slaanesh and yet at the same time worship Khaine instead of Khorne
Stubborn pride. Of course, back in the day it was heavily implied Fantasy Khaine was an aspect of Khorne.
>>47656111
It wasn't retconned as of the 8th edition. It had Malekith launching a joint invasion of Ulthuan with N'Kari and a horde of Slaaneshi daemons. Dark Eldar would never do that shit.
I don't know about Age of Shitmar though, I don't pay any attention to that.
>>47658351
>Of course, back in the day it was heavily implied Fantasy Khaine was an aspect of Khorne.
Pretty sure that was still in the cards when they were discussing the change.
>>47658441
Neither Malekith nor Morathi has yet to really show up in AoS.
>>47657961
But there was no Elf alternative to Slaanesh.
Why worship Khaine over Khorne? Because Khaine is an Elf, and also Malekith forbids Khorne!
Why worship Slaanesh over Atharti? Because there is no Atharti, and because Morathi says its okay!
Their logic was stupid, and the result was stupid.
>>47657985
In Black Library books, Morathi is literally the high priestess of Slaanesh and she outranks all Slaaneshi non-Daemons. She was also in love with him and believed she was his consort awaiting her lover.
When they retconned it, she instead became the high priestess of Atharti who was actually the Elf goddess of death Ereth Khial or some shit, who was senile and only wanted her long lost love Aenarion and totally lost her damn mind in End Times.
The retcon was stupid, and it produced nothing of value.
>>47627937
what the heck tower is that? It is flying an Orkish flag
>>47658534
>Neither Malekith nor Morathi has yet to really show up in AoS.
Malekith is a dragontaur that we have artwork of and is the only being who ever beat Archaon in a battle.
Morathi has shadow Daemonettes and is with Sigmar still.
>>47655734
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>>47659253
Castle Drachenfels, and Games Workshop had it accompany their logo as an unofficial logo for over a decade. It shows up in a lot of art from that period regardless of what is depicted.
>>47659253
orks can't have towers?
>>47657416my dad works at Nintendo's paranormal division, but tell me more
>>47652313
I thought they had lizard beastmen coming from the western region naggaroth
>>47656491
Yeah, from the reviews I'm reading, it was hella OP.
>>47627937
The guy in the picture has his pants halfway down his arse
>>47659780
or he's wearing a tunic
>>47659266
>the only being who ever beat Archaon in a battle.
Except, you know, Grimgor.
>>47659748
>Lizard beastmen
So lizardmen/chaos lizardmen?
>>47659814
Grimgor was beheaded.
>>47659725
"In addition, Mrs K Kirby (Lathbury) received £117,461 (2013: £73,620) during the year from the Group for her work as interim head of IT.
"
that's From GW's 2013-14 Annual Report
>>47659883
Sorry, Age of Sigmar is not canon.
So when sending my PCs to Araby, what's vital to include besides djinni and the unique situation with the Winds?
>>47659872
Lizard beastmen are not 'true' lizardmen.
>>47659921
>Sorry, Age of Sigmar is not canon.
Don't apologize. You don't have the power to make anything not canon.
Grimgor got beheaded. Tis a canon.
>>47659921
>end times not canon
>trying to use head canon for araby
>He isn't running a 3000 point Goblins list
>>47660028
You want the Age of Sigmar thread, newfriend. Don't worry, I know it's confusing at first.
>>47660033
Both of the things mentioned in that post are old canon though.
>>47660063
gonblars are superiorskinks are superiorest
>>47660067
End Times is warhammer fantasy.
>>47660128
That has the writing and pacing of a bad fanfiction
>>47660318
That doesn't make it any less canon, cry harder
Aside from malekith being asuryans chosen from the start, what other character plot twists and reveals would be as horribly lore breaking as pic related?
>>47660360
>dwarfs go conquer Karak Eight peak in the middle of an apocalypse
>mannfred does something
>everyone goes full retard
It's hard to summarize, when a huge cast of individually established characters all get thrown into one huge pit and bend their motivations to support a bullshit narrative, a lot of plot twists get lost on the way
>>47660397
>Morathi lusting after Tyrion
>Every Elf going full retard besides Alith Anar
>Mannfred being retarded
Honestly pretty much everyone in the End Times was practically a different character.
If GW had taken more time to flesh out the ordeal and given more characters more time to grow it might have turned out better, but they killed them all off in a few months. Everyone was thrown into a big pot with one plotline and some of them were forced to be a certain way to fit that narrative, or just to die. Some of the High Elves suddenly turned awfully bloodthirsty, for example, which they never seemed to be before that.
I'll never forgive GW for this shit. AoS doesn't come close to WHF.
>>47660397
>>47660452
>established characters
That's a funny way of saying "a few short paragraphs in any army book". Fantasy had no established and developed characters. They were just pretty images with a few lines of fluff. So when people say characters acted like "different characters" I laugh.
>>47660128
No, it was written just to cause Sigmar, so it's AoS.
>>47660505
Shut up, Slav.
>>47660488
if there are only a few lines about them in an army book and GW still can't help but retcon anything ever written about that character, it doesn't really make them look much better.
>>47660511
When every novel and every army books retcons things and changes characters between editions, you expected something else?
The army books don't give enough information to properly get to know the characters and the novels are a mess with each author having his way with the characters. So when an anon says warhammer had established characters, I laugh in his virtual face. Warhammer characters are just hallow plot devices that any developers can bestow any motivation on or any personality.
>>47660510
You'll need to go to the AoS thread, friend.
>>47660657
No.
This is my thread.
>>47660680
No such thing on 4chan.
The fluff stopped after Storm of Chaos with the setting of WFRP 2E.
Found this while cleaning my storeroom, trying to sell it off. What price do you think people are willing to pay for it?
Pic is Burlock Damminson from 5th ed btw.
>>47641934
Chaos is the worst of all of these because this is literally Slannesh's bag baby
>>47652459
Do you hear that faint maniacal laughter on the wind?
Its the cruel gods.
They won... this is our fate.
>>47661474
Nobody can ever take away my headcanon though.
found a little something something on sale at the lgs, 140 yuromoneys
i feel pretty good
>>47652459
>and nothing of value was lost
>>47661474
Sorry, I'm deaf
had a discussion with the lgs manager about 9th age, funny. I figured it hadnt landed here.
Is 9th popular all over?
>>47660360
Eltharion leaving Tor Yvresse.
>>47660488
>Fantasy had no established and developed characters
Did you ever fucking read a pre-8e army book or a Black Library book? Ever?
>>47660554
Get out of this thread, you scum sucking pile of faggotry.
>>47661190
$10-$30 depending on luck on eBay.
>>47661684
Yeah, all the old tourneys are using it and for my community its THE game now.
>>47661684
Shame they based it on 8th edition for some bizarre reason.
No reason to play it instead of 6th.
So, thought experiment. If we go back to the Storm of Chaos, where Archaon lost and got cucked by an Orc in front of his entire army, what happens next?
I assume Archaon is dead within 6 months. Who would follow him after that? But Grimgor is rebuilding. Mallobaude is plotting, and Arkhan is still working on bringing Nagash back. Also, what about the schism in the Sigmarite church? And did the Skaven really kill Valten? Was he killed at all? Will his death cause a crisis in the faith?
>>47662212
>Archaon dying
Sadly that's not how it works.
>>47662233
According to a crazy old man's prophecy. Other Everchosen failed before. The prophecy could be wrong. I certainly don't see anyone following orc cuck ever again.
Perhaps he IS responsible for the end of the world...just not at his own hands.
>>47662212
>I assume Archaon is dead within 6 months.
Archaon is Abaddon 2.0. Or the other way around, either way, he loses so status quo is maintained but he does not die.
>>47662256
>According to a crazy old man's prophecy.
According to Be'lakor massaging liquid plot armour into Archaon's mutated buttcheeks. He's just going to rewrite any reality where Archaon fails to destroy everything in an autistic fit for not getting his Sigmar tendies.
>>47662301
Dumb and gay, let's just assume he can't and the Chaos Gods lock him away again for being some linedev's self insert.
>>47661684
It is pretty much the way to go if a group is organized enough to not feel forced to play GW's latest rulebook, yet unorganized enough to not homebrew a version (be it based on 6th or 8th) on their own.
I find it an improvement of balance and a refinement of the formula that has been warhammer for its latest editions.
Perhaps the last part is what gives doubts to some people (on top of being fluffed as not!warhammer): The game may be seen by some as too standardized.
Found a good theme for Archaon since we're on the topic.
https://youtu.be/bIQJpBDvxIs
>>47662208
>No reason to play it instead of 6th.
Its more balanced, and a lot of models don't have 6e statlines so unless you only own old models there's no reason to play 6th.
Especially for Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts players, half of most armies are things that weren't in 6th.
>>47662301
That's not Storm of Chaos canon, that's ET/AoS canon.
>>47662212
Archaon would still have his fortress and his closest forces, I assume that there would be quite the revolution in chaos armies, with everyone wanting to be the new leader of chaos, including archaon who will still adhere to his title and believe in the prophecy that brought him to that point, after all he's still the everchosen and he's still not dead, he just has to plan another way to end the world that isn't a direct attack.
I would see valten's death as another division: Between the truth of his assassination and the propagandistic role of his martyrdom in pushing back the storm of chaos; faith will spawn miracles, miracles may see parts believing they are a real manifestation of the ascended spirit of the heldenhammer (sigmar and his reincarnation both) and others accuse the church to hold too much power, be it in the followings that gave it wealth and even its own independent armies and the power of the divine which nature may be questioned as being disguised unregulated magic/chaos by some (or in a further twist some may be seeing in the rise of power of the church a plan to divide the empire fabricated by daemons and try to stop the church with this belief)
>>47662387
Given most new 8th edition units and/or models are crap that is no big loss.
>>47662834
the point is if the rules are crap, they get balanced, if the models are good they are not excluded
