Love em, hate em, what are your thoughts?
>>47626237
What are the stats for a standup comedian.
>inb4 max Constitution because he stands up all day
![the_jester_by_cribs-d7786gr[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GNINVt9.jpg "the_jester_by_cribs-d7786gr[1].jpg")
Literally the "Murderhobo" class
>>47626237
Depends on how they're executed. They could be luck-based, they could be annoying, or they could just rely on the imagery a lot. That's before you start getting into "killer clown" territory.
Ultimately, the jester is usually about catching people off-guard one way or another. They shouldn't be all gimmicks, though. There should still be a real person under all those colors.
>>47626237
In my experiences: Conceptually lovely. Poorly implemented. Tragically played.
Sometimes, a little comic relief is all people need. A jester's job, at the end of the day, is to make people happy. How they do it is up to them, whether it's through jokes, making love, saving the town, whatever. As long as a smile is earned, it's all worth it.
>>47626237
I've never seen one, curiously, but I'd love to try and play one sometime.
Anyone have games with these as classes, or have suggestions for implementing them?
>>47626237
Absolutely love the theme - probably because it's pretty underdone. Never seen it in any TTRPG personally, but I have seen them as classes in a few games
>>47626374
I love this pathos. It helps to legitimize the clown or jester as a reasonable character and can even give them some touching scenes.
>>47626349
That's the thing about them, no one has ever really hammered down a specific method for them yet.
>In some games they are entirely luck based.
>Others they are mostly an illusion based pure caster.
>Sometimes they are all Dex and basically come off as flashy rogues.
They work a bit more as a costume with stats than a class.
>>47626237
I think the theme is better as an individual character and loses much when institutionalized as a class.
>>47627164
This. Jesters and clowns have their own unique flair from each other. Plus, as >>47627132 says, there's no one way to play as a jester.
![170811_SCV_008[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/03JKkd8.jpg "170811_SCV_008[1].jpg")
![12361-e72c3332fdbca26e4fa07aaa00e6226f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9Kkm5TG.jpg "12361-e72c3332fdbca26e4fa07aaa00e6226f[1].jpg")
I'm a sucker for clown girls.
>>47627224
I'm not sure if I would call Tira a jester. She's still a psycho assassin more than anything.
>>47627340
Meh, she's wearing a jester costume, close enough.
>>47626374
>>47627164
>>47627242
>jester/clown thread
here we go again
>>47626237
Do you seriously come here and remake this same damn thread every week?
>>47627469
This thread happened last week?
>>47627597
First time I've seen it
Personally I'd love to see the idea get some support. Not sure how though since everything from fun party buffer to Harley Quinn.
>>47626321
>He will be laughing still, at the end.
>>47626374
>>47627164
>>47627242
Goddamnit /tg/, you can't be doing this to me I'm supposed to be on NoFap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7jkdsglfaU
depends on how you pull it off.
i wouldn't let a unfunny person play such a character.
>>47627469
I have never seen a jester thread before
>>47628023
Joker uses his clown gimmick as his big excuse for being hyper-violent and unpredictable in his actions. Part of me feels like it comes across as a crutch because "lel so random."
>>47628023
https://youtu.be/mX8yTIXXL7s?t=16
You really need to be a funny person to pull it of however.
This kind of jester?
there's no jester quite like trap ones.
>>47628501
exactly. or else it gets cringy. like in that video.
>>47628527
now post eldar-murderclowns
>>47628527
No! No!yes
>>47628563
The self-deprecating clown is just as funny as any other. And Dampierre still comes off as a trickster. His signature finisher is using one of his crewmates to sell a sob story to the enemy and convince them to spare some cash. He's a thief-trickster.
Kinda redundant, just a mixture of Rogue and Bard, honestly.
Like the theme is totally fine, but I don't think it's a unique enough concept to warrant a separate class.
Jesters, Fools, Clowns and Harlequins are my fucking shit.
>>47628731
What about the illusionist mentioned above?
>>47628527
>posting jester trap again
>>47628731
Ehh, no more redundant than the cleric+fighter Paladin, the fighter+druid Ranger, monk+rogue Ninja or any other classes that are deep down a combination of core classes. Some people want Samurai when that is just a fighter with a specific culture flavor.
It's nice to have another flavor like sorcerer. Only with a jester, they can have a totally different playstyle per game.
I typically see them as assassins. But a mage jester sounds interesting and frightening at the same time.
![The-Comedian-watchmen-19632315-2000-1339[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gFkwZ1d.jpg "The-Comedian-watchmen-19632315-2000-1339[1].jpg")
>>47627340
>She's still a psycho assassin more than anything.
Most jester characters are psycho assassins
>>47628968
>Ostentatious character generally wearing loud colors
>Assassin
>>47629055
>OH LOOK, A JESTER! JEST US SOMETHING, FOOL!
>He does some buffon shit, proceeds to get ignored after it.
"Assassins" during the largest part of history were just regular guys with a sword that happened to kill you on the back. "Assassin" should just be an aspect of the warrior class.
>>47627132
>>47628887
>>47628968
Have to say, I am liking this idea of a jester using magic to conjure up all the typical carton tricks and antics they pull off.
Just waving their hands around and the immediate area is a Lewis Carrol nightmare can really fuck with someone. Plus things like talking mushrooms everywhere, smoking caterpillars, playing cards, limbs falling off, teleporting, clones, eploding doll heads can all be great if used in a game.
>>47628968
Class is more about a powerset than a character concept. All those hybrid classes have uniquely identifiable powersets. Whereas "jester" is a very narrow character concept with a wide range of possible powersets (bard/anti-bard, assassin, illusionist). It works as an ACF/archetype/whatever, but not very well as a standalone class.
So perhaps the Jester needs to be done several ways? If you want something in PF or DnD I would imagine that you have quite a few classes they could be variants from.
Bard jesters with illusions
Cartwheeling rogue jesters that are more assassin types
Trickster sorts based on the Mesmerist, or maybe those are the jokesters with special effects from various gags?
>>47626237
Love 'em.
Need to figure out how to play one one of these days. It'd be hard being funny consistently though.
Being the Jester is a good place to be; only person who can openly mock the King.
Maybe something like pic related in an RT game? That'd be pretty cool.
![2096347-corset_harley_cropped[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/11RGQPs.jpg "2096347-corset_harley_cropped[1].png")
>>47630092
Harley was the acrobatic lethal shenanigans type. Her grandchildren got the "acrobatic" part.
>>47630226
>Her grandchildren
Is that confirmed canon?
>>47630296
If you consider Batman Beyond canon, then yes, Harley Quinn had twin granddaughters.
>>47628023
>Doesn't fire the flag into the enemy
So disappointed.
>>47630322
Sweet.
Then that means the Joker's bloodline is somewhere still.
Batman Beyond movie when?
>>47626237
If your character happens to be a jester then whatever, but a class devoted to jesters is just gimmicky.
>>47630384
No one said it was the Joker who knocked up Harley. Hell, after the two of them lose, an old Harleen Quinzel picks them up from prison and beats them up a bit with her purse for ending up in jail.
>>47626237
Fucking stop already. Shit's tiresome
>>47630409
I won't accept anyone else as knocking Harley up.
>>47630384
2000
Batman Beyond - Return of the Joker. DeeDee are in it.
Can someone delete this shit already?
We don't need to have the same damn thread every fucking day.
>>47630495
>>47630420
>>47627469
Literally never seen this question before. Or are you saying the more general, "X Class, what do you think" threads?
>>47630534
>HURRR
>I NEVER SAW IT
>WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN
>DURRR
Because we are tired of this bullshit, Gizmo. Nobody cares about your fetish. Go back to /d/, where you belong with your constant clown threads
>>47630384
fuck the movie, i want a continuation of the animaited series, it was the best shadowrun shit ever
>>47630597
>Batman Beyond
>Shadowrun
How did I never put this together?
They've even got SURGE'd out people running around.
>>47630643
Slightly whacky cyberpunk, with a bunch of collorfull villans and a dark undertone. While batman byond is cyber-goth-punk, the two have a lot of similaritys.
>>47626295
Race: Bee
Class: Bee
Skills: Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
>>47630573
>we
fuck off with your autism, being a bitch won't make you a janitor
>>47630750
Being a sperg with shitty fetish won't make you part of /tg/, Gizmo
I think this is by far one of the worst character concepts possible and I lose a lot of respect for anyone who rolls one. It's fucking stupid. Don't you have any god damn taste?
>>47630854
What's bad about it? Can you elaborate?
>>47630897
Sure and then also try describing color to a blind man.
>>47630854
>>47630968
It's ok not to like something that other people like.
>>47630854
What is so bad about it? That's kind of weird that you object so much.
>>47630968
>I don't have an argument, but you should just accept that I'm right anyway.
>>47629055
Hiding in plain sight bro.
>>47631051
It's the most snowflake shit I can think of. They're meant to be entertainers but when have youever seen one that actually was. They're meant to make you laugh, they never could because they're universally irritating. If they're going for acreepy factor they fail again because they're only ever irritating. The only reason anyone would roll this would be for snowflake flavor that's only going to be a nuisance or to attempt to be some edgy child murdering It type which is fucking gay. There is no justification for this character type, it's pure gimmicky fetish shit.
>>47631011
Nice meme brah.
![jester_assassin_by_drvce[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kRRYZY1.jpg "jester_assassin_by_drvce[1].jpg")
>>47631265
A Jester character is not any more "gimicky" than a barbarian, or druid, or warlock, or any other fantasy concept that never existed in real life.
Well whatever, you are allowed to hate things I guess, lucky for you they seem pretty rare in any RPG I have heard of.
>>47631265
>>47630897
Not that anon but some concepts tend to attract people who shoehorn stupid ideas and poor comedy in any and every situation, not only hurting atmosphere of the game, but sometimes ruining a another player's moment because they have to steal the spotlight of their epic moment by cutting all the dramatic tension/epic atmosphere/etc with their stupidity.
This is not the case for everyone who plays a jester, and some people are like that without playing one. That said, this group of 'lol so randumb' is overrepresented in the group of people who play Jesters types. Other groups where the 'lol randumb' demography is overpresented are:
Bards (by a small margin), Malkavians in oWod, actual clowns, murder clowns, clown themed superhero.
>>47631376
So jesters are bad because some people have zero sense of narrative timing?
>>47626237
whether a race or class, Kender can go fuck themselves.
>>47630534
Summerfag detected
>>47630436
Not even Dick?
>BBEG kidnaps the princess
>distraught king hires adventures to rescue her
>on the way there they catch up to the king's court jester, who set out to rescue her on his own
>they ask him what business a jester has rescuing princesses.
"It is my job to keep the king happy, and right now the king is not happy. And I have tried, OH how I have tried and tried. I've tried lunacy, tomfoolery, BUFFOONERY... but nothing. not one laugh. Not even a smile. I know now that only having his daughter back will make the king happy again. And it's a jester's job to keep the king happy."
>>47631473
That quote sounds familiar.
Was it Cicero from Skyrim said something like that?
>>47631417
I didn't said Jesters are bad. If you want to go in that direction your question should be:
>So jester are bad because they attract people with zero sense of narrative timing(more than other concepts)?
And my answer would be:
>It's not that Jesters are bad, it is that unfortunately people who don't put a lot of effort in making the game interesting for everyone tend to be attract by some concepts. Picking an archtype associated with comedy and foolery is more tempting to them.
That said, as most people will agree, any concept can be played bad or good. Depends on how you do it. But there's no denying some concepts appeal more to some type of people.
>>47631473
This here. This could be a good jester concept, provided the player can keep the good balance between a cunning intellect and rapier wits to make jokes at other's expense, and a apparently simple mind to see the world.
>>47631265
How is that ever any more flavor than playing a wood elf, drow, tiefling, or anything that you throw a shitload of pointless flavor for no reason whatsoever than personal preference.
Your problem is basically you do not like it when people like things you do not personally like. So grow up.
>>47631350
>A combat mime asssasin jester with bells all over his colourful garb is not any bit more gimmicky than everything else
>>47631562
>STOP DISLIKING THINGS I LOVE
>>47631376
It would be easier to keep the idiot that thinks he is funny out of the game completely.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qWu3ZoI.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>47631564
I don't know what to tell you man, your disbelief suspender is tuned wrong or something.
>>47631499
No, but I've posted it here before.
>>47630384
They're redheads, clearly Ivy was their grandfather.
I'd love to play a Jester type character, but am certain of the fact I would not be able to pull it off properly.
Definitely on my /tg/ bucket list.
Gotta talk in rhymes or something and work on jokes between sessions.
>>47631564
No more gimmicky than an elf wearing leaves and calling it armor, or dwarves wearing shaped rocks as armor. Avariel making swords out of glass, Drow weapons melting in sunlight,
>>47631647
>Poison Ivy
>Grandfather
m8
On a side note, fuck pintrest showing up on google image search, I had to install a plugin just to bypass their shitty login. They just ripoff art from other places anyway.
>>47631685
I know what I said, I stand by it.
>>47631685
I'm pretty sure red hair genes would lose out to blonde hair ones.
>>47631564
This is why I like the flavor illusion caster idea over combat oriented assassin.
Mages already wear ridiculous clothing with decorations all over. Clown themed mage casting circus themed magic works out.
>>47631562
Yeeaaa you are comparing
>Species backed up by mythology and literature
>Species backed up by mythology and literature
>Species backed up by mythology and literature
to a
>Harley inspired personal fanfiction waifu fantasy
>>47631848
>>Harley inspired personal fanfiction waifu fantasy
I think you have the inspirations reversed in fact.
>>47631848
Ironically jesters actually existed IRL while dwarves and elves never did.
All in all it's a character in a costume doing magic monster killing in a fantasy game.
Enjoy your irrational autismal rage over nothing.
>>47631950
Well "dwarves" do exist but you know what I mean, heh.
>>47631265
Clowns aren't just for laughs. They are for telling stories.
Cirque du Soleil, a bunch highly skilled acrobats who do some pretty cool stuff with clowns and circus performances.
Goddamnit, where's Gropey the Clown when you need him to school some fucker in Clown Theory.
>>47631564
Those are the ones you fear since they probably know how to move around without making noise. Its pretty much constant training.
As to how to represent clown in RPGs, I'll just talk about PF since it's what I use. They would be a class archetype that focused on some aspect of being a type of clown most suitable for that class, trading features for those more appropriate. The bard for example, already has one called Street Performer that can be used.
>>47628855
my nigga
>>47631848
Isn't being a part of the fantasy and playing mythologized versions of things sort of what it is all about? The fantasy genre is taking something from history and adding fluff so it can be an epic adventurer.
How is taking a jester and doing it any different than a woodsman peasant or a troubadour?
>>47632238
peasants and troubadours actually did fight on battlefields anon. Seeing those two go adventuring is not that much of a stretch.
Jesters never did any of that shit and is no different from anime inspired magical realm wish fulfillment bullshit.
>>47632303
Jeseters were often day jobs for spies and assassins.
>>47632179
God, I'd love to hear more about Gropey's stuff.
Just, anything. Dude is interesting, lead an interesting life, and has a plethora of world experience. I wish I could spend a night drinking with the guy and picking his brain.
>>47632442
Then this will entertain you if you haven't seen it before.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27266199/
A quote from the thread:
>During Hurricane Katrina, some other performers and I started a clown gang to defend our street from looters and protect our selves/supplies.
>Clowns in combat boots and kevlar with guns: THAT should freak people out.
>I still have a rubber chicken filled with lead shot to make a sap.
>>47632600
I've read that before. I wish I could find his tumblr again, though. I believe it had some interesting stories as well.
>>47631685
Winning Harley from Joker was easy enough. But to top all that hyena lovin' that Harley was still a fan of? Red had to splice together a new and surprisingly functional sort of toy. One that passed red hair down the literal seed of her lineage.
>>47632179
I said they're meant to entertain. Whatever the hell the clown is meant to be players always fail to be that, unless they're trying to be irritating and cringe inducing.
![Zw-harlequin-2[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/gjYcmc2.png "Zw-harlequin-2[1].png")
>>47633965
Were you molested by a clown when you were a kid or something?
>>47634273
I've played in several groups with a clown/jester character. They always suck. Why are they always in full makeup and dress? It makes no sense.
Been considering a Jester/Clown type person as a minor boss battle for my group, but after reading this thread I've realized they'd just be a ninja in bright colors...
Any advice on how to make a more fitting clown of carnage?
>>47630838
who tf is Gizmo
>>47635284
that one guy in Fallout 1, immobile with a table, has animated dialogue, shame half his questline got axed
>>47635217
You know the Batman storylines where Joker is affably criminal and then someone corrects him or messes up the flow of comedy, and he goes psychotic? Savagely beating them for explaining the joke? Knifing them for ruining his punchline? Doing wacky zany things, and then when the beg for their life, he points out that killing them wouldn't be funny at all, and so the hostage is a fucking worthless retard not worth his attention.
Basically, a slave to the anticipation, ritual, and psychology of comedy/stage/theatre, and as he commits horrors in order to build his story to a climax, he also commits horrors on those who interrupt his pacing or break tension or spoil it.
>>47631653
Rethink it.
>>47627384
This is a confusing boner if one has coulrophobia. (Fear of clowns)
>>47629048
That costume was so fucking spot-on god damn
Best clown coming through
There's a lot of ways to play the fool, /tg/
>>47631471
Harley/Robin /ss/?
>>47630643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6of3kMxV6z4
Have your jester be a coward who hides his uneasiness behind jokes and attempts to bullshit his way through fights while waiting for a good opportunity to strike.
>>47640034
Also have it become apparent that your jester feels he is seriously out of his depth at some point midway through the campaign. Sure, he knows how to use a blade when pressed and how to bluff a wizard, but shit man he just wants to perform and make others happy.
He doesn't want any of this week long dungeon diving or someone assassinated the king and the prime suspect is a lich hiding as his former advisor bullshit.
Then you give your jester some kind of conviction. Something to strive for or grasp onto amidst this terrible tale of death and greed.
>>47626237
They're just bards with style.
>>47632819
link to the doujinshi?
>>47640034
So basically spiderman?
>>47626349
Well, I personally prefer hanging
I need more jesters.
Is this true?
I've always dreamed to play a full fledged clown in your average D&D game. Using the trope of spreading a smile to every corner of the realm. While still being a capable member to any team willing to put up with his shenanigans.
After earning his trust people would lwarn that in reality he is a man at a loss. Once a bard with a comedy streak he had married and settled down. Fate decreed it was not to be and he was doomed to be alone. With nothing left to live for and no where to go he had decided to end his suffering by jumping from the church belltower.
But fates cruel director wasn't finished. His leg had got caught on a rope as he jumped and with a yelp he was strung comically from the roof, where he had frightened a nest of crows who proceedes to peck him much to his discontent. The townsfolk laughed at such a sight unbeknownst of his intention.
He sat there trapped with nothing but laughter in the air.. and angry crows. Something had clicked, he was feeling their amusement and it made him feel joy that he thought was lost to him.
And so he continued this streak, utilizing his poor luck and skills in entertainment to become a performer on the roam. picking up yet more qualities and tricks. Evolving into the adventuring clown the party first questioned themselves of hiring.
Clowns come from all sides of life. but the best ones are ones who have turned their greatest sorrow into the best laughter
>>47644141
Source?
>>47644141
Can confirm, jester boy pussy is addictively good.
>>47627132
>a non-archetype is handled inconsistently
Shocking.
>>47644141
>>47646575
Does he make stupid jokes while his ass gets pounded?
>>47626321
Christ, Jesters got crazy outdone by Houndmasters.
Which, coincidentally, are the only class that lives long enough to hit level 6
Same with Antiquarians.
>>47648187
>the hung hero couldn't find a lass, instead he fucked the jesters ass
>>47648187
Wouldn't be a jester if he wasn't making jokes all the time.
>>47631679
>Implying I allow any of that bullshit
>>47649262
>>47648625
>>47648187
Is that already someones fetish or am I the first one?
>>47648625
A joker and princess came into town
In spangly colours and pretty ball gown,
Cornered by bandits, but saved from a fight
They followed their hero, a bravest sir knight
In his room the princess undressed
But by her poor assets Sir Knight, unimpressed
The jester spun round, his pants fell down,
And that is the story why the knight laid the clown.Nananananananana Batman!
>>47651044
I'd totally fuck a jester while he tells me shit like that.
>>47649308
So you hate fun? Good to know.
