Now I am not one to judge, but why do people do it ?
I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different gender ?
Is it to create the perfect waifu/husbandu ?
I don't think even gay people do that.
/x/ had threads about it.
>>47577339
I roleplayed as my waifu in ss13 no homo
When I'm a player I never do, just not my thing. As a GM though it's really out of necessity. It'd be pretty stupid if literally everyone in my setting was a dude.
>>47577339
>Now I am not one to judge, but why do people do it ?
To make a more varied roleplaying experience.
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different gender ?
It's called "acting". Try it.
>Is it to create the perfect waifu/husbandu ?
See point 1.
>I don't think even gay people do that.
What? See point 1.
People read books with characters that aren't like themselves all the time.
Why would roleplaying games be any different. I share about as much with a female elf ranger as I do a wizard who murders people for trinkets.
>>47577339
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different species
I dunno, get good at playing pretend
>Now I am not one to judge
Whatever you say pumpkin
>>47577339
The same reason that people might play a character who is a different alignment, race, physical build, or profession from them.
Because it's a roleplaying game where you can play different things.
>>47577339
Pretty simple to be honest. You play a character, not yourself. You immerse yourself in the character and through them everything else.
Personally, I just roll a dice for a lot of that shit unless I have a very specific character concept in mind
I have done it on occasion if for no other reason than variety. I can be fully immersed in a female character about as easy as I can be immersed in a barbarian or a wizard. It's really not that far of a leap of fantasy. I've never tried to play up sexuality or a *dark* past on one of these characters like I've seen in horror stories here before. It's just refreshing to have more range.
I look at playing an RPG like extended improv acting. Shakespearean male actors played female characters frequently. You should try it once and go into it with as few preconceived notions as you can to just see how it goes.
Sometimes you just get an idea for a character and part of the idea is that character being a particular gender? It's not some complicated sex thing, it's just playing a character you think would be a neat idea.
You can be immersed in the character because your characters aren't exactly like you in every way. If I can stretch my imagination enough that I can pretend to be a dragon man then I can stretch my imagination enough to pretend to be a lady.
I roleplay characters of other genders all the time. Basically every roleplayer I have ever known, male or female, does it. It isn't a big deal, and I don't know why an odd subset of /tg/ treats it as such.
I might be male, but I interact with women as part of my daily life. I have female friends and family members, I experience and enjoy a lot of female characters in fiction. Given all that, I don't find it that much harder to roleplay a female character than a male one. Sure, it takes a bit of extra thought, but that's what makes it interesting.
>>47577339
Most guys don't. They play dudes with tits. It's just putting an F on a sheet instead of an M for most. Very few roleplayers are actually good enough to play the other gender, though many think they are good at it.
Let me tell you a secret, anon.I'm not actually a wizard in real life.
I used to do this all of the time as a teenager, arguing that only a loser would mind. Play men, women, whatever.
Spoiler: I'm a tranny now.
>>47577425
>I can be fully immersed in a female character about as easy as I can be immersed in a barbarian or a wizard
>Choose a class: warrior, ranger, woman, barbarian, wizard
>>47577339
Same as asking why a poor person IRL roleplays a rich playboy in a game, or why actors play a role in a play or a movie.
>>47577456
>that spoiler
what the fuck
>>47577462
I meant only that playing a woman is no more different to my actual being than being some fantasy trope that people have no problem pretending to be
>>47577425
You do have to agree anon that female actor acting a woman is more believable in a play.
But you do make a point.
>>47577462
You laugh but there was a version of Unearthed Arcana which included a parallel version of the Fighter class for women. It had a lower max strength, low attack progression, but the ability to cast spells which charm and beguile men via sexuality if the character is not Lawful (because only sluts would so such a thing).
>>47577339
>Is it to create the perfect waifu/husbandu ?
Yup
>I don't think even gay people do that.
That's where you're wrong.
>>47577339
I agree op, everyone on /tg/ should only ever play carbon copies of themselves, including the personality, abilities, background and appearance. Gosh, how could a game of pretend work if someone decides to play as something they aren't?
>>47577447
This may be true.
>>47577480
I know, right? It's shocking. But I still love roleplaying as one.
>>47577529
Go to /lgbt/ you sick fuck
>>47577520
only half true
most players can't roleplay their own gender either
>>47577520
I've also seen one woman try to play a man. Her attempts at replicating masculine behavior are laughable, especially her attempts at being intimidating.
>>47577339
I do it if it's appropriate to the character or the campaign. Sometimes, the elven dignitary has to be a princess because that makes the most sense and is the more interesting party composition.
Usually, though, even when playing a woman would be playing the stereotype straight, I find it's more interesting to gender-swap them right back, though - It plays closer to my comfort zone and tends to bring up somethign interesting, even if the characterization becomes a camp gay rock star.
>>47577501
oh no question that a female actor will portray a female character more believably the majority of the time
i'm just saying it's not unheard of
>>47577339
I'm not against playing a female, but I've yet to think of a concept that really demands it. I don't usually think switching M to F on my character sheets would bring anything more to the table, so I don't do it.
>>47577339
>Now I am not one to judge, but why do people do it ?
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different race?
>Is it to create the perfect thug/hoe?
>I don't think even black people do that.
>>47577592
If you think about voice acting, a huge number of young male voices are done by female VA's.
>>47577339
>Now I am not one to judge, but why do people do it?
Because sometimes being female suits the character concept better than being male.
>>47577605
That's mainly out of necessity, because children's voices and puberty don't go hand in hand.
>>47577592
A female will roleplay a female more believably than she will roleplay a male, yes.
>>47577339
>but why do people do it ?
Because they dream of women who aren't total shit. Either that or penis envy.
> A female is more of a stretch to play than a fucking different species
Lolkay
>>47577605
And acting in general was in a lot of places done exclusively by men.
>>47577339
I tend to roll randomly for what gender the character is during character creation. For me it's about coming up with an interesting person. Sure I have to like the person I'm playing to some degree but gender really doesn't have much to do with whether I like said person or not. I never really saw it as a big deal.
(random pic)
>>47577666
Male and female brains are different and we have real world examples to compare to. When the real world dwarves show up, then you might have a point.
>>47577664
That woman needs to understand weight distribution and rooting
>>47577702
No, he has a point without real-world dwarves showing up, because the entire point is that dwarves would be far more different by virtue of not even being real.
A person is likely going to roleplay another gender better than they will a species that spends most of its time underground and lives for multiple centuries.
>>47577740
>spends most of its time underground
[insert basement dweller joke here]
>>47577727
Too bad, because she has a nice frontal split.
Not that it actually matters for a kick, but heh!
>>47577339
I mean.
Considering I'm playing a character whos not me at any given time, its pretty easy to put myself in their position to think and act as they would despite a few natural barriers. I never personally create waifus/husbandos or whatever, I just create a character I think would be interesting to see in the setting or could go through a lot of development in conjuction. I don't make titty monsters or do gay shit if thats what you're asking.
I guess having a lot of sisters probably helps me to see and think a little as woman would through mere observation. Because they're all around different ages too, that helps me paint the age mural if I play a female character too.
I'm also an aspiring novelist, so I kind've need to see through the female perspective to write female characters so being able to roleplay them half the time kind've keeps it all active and alive.
>>47577339
There are cliches I play into for inspiration as I role play. These cliches are often tied to a certain gender. Often I will have the whole character fleshed out, pause, and realize that it paints a stronger image in my head to have the character as the other gender.
>lonely wandering dwarf ex-soldier and exile is male
>vain but haunted ex-antipaladin struggling to withstand sadistic inclinations is a female
>filthy homeless drunkard inventor is a male
>caring, motherly paladin desperate to hang on to what few bonds left in her life is female
>macho, chivalrous monk luchador is male
>>47577339
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different gender ?
I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different race/species ?
I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different social class ?
I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is from a different culture ?
One tries one's best.
>>47577339
>play female characters
>play what is essentially a female version of myself, a stuck up arrogant whore
No fucks were given, the group got bitchy when I played a guy and I ended up as super gay arbitrator in DH.
>>47577555
>>47577563
These may also be true.
Most of the times that I've seen women play men, they come across like effeminate soap opera characters. I think in general that most people, when playing the opposite gender, basically play some idealized version of that gender with very little understanding as to how they actually think or act.
>>47577339
I play characters with totally different backgrounds, personalities, and interests than my own. It's more challenging and fun anyhow.Admittedly I am not exactly a leading expert in the field of how guys think. I usually end up playing them like women except with a compulsive need to prove they're the best at everything when there are two or more other men around.
I roleplay male characters online because harassement is real. I don't want to have people mainsplaining me, giving me stuff because they pursue my favors, accuse me of being here for drama and attention, or ask me for pictures.
>>47577339
Sometimes I just feel like the character I thought up fits better as a woman. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>47577339
Girls do it all the time, we just get our man panties in a twist when a guy does it. It's really kind of stupid.
>>47577563
I've seen plenty of girls play male characters in oWoD and coming off as downright scary.
One of them narrated a rape scene, too. The guys' jaws dropped halfway.
>>47578596
Out of curiosity how much does mansplaining come up and does it come from guys you can tell are assholes already.
>>47578643
It comes from people who are assholes. It comes from people who are nice guys, but just awkward. It comes from people who are trying to be nice, but fails.
The thing is, hiding my real gender is usually a better idea, and playing a male character does that - while I'm sure some guys can play realistic females, they are a minority, so people usualy link convincing females with female players (maybe through wishful thinking).
>>47578622
I'll admit I tend to flinch when I see a guy playing a female character from past experiences, but I have been pleasantly surprised. Not usually, though.
>>47578596
I did something like that when I tried GMing a group on Roll20. I used an androgynous screen name, they assumed I was a dude, and I just didn't correct them.
Different characters.
My male clerics are either basically gay, or sometimes father figures.
Female medics are usually nicer than their "harsh, fed up doctor trying to chorale his patients" male counterparts.
Evokers and summoners are male. Diviners and transmuters are female.
Any of those can change, but that's just based on preference.also I'm a closet tranny
>>47577339
>"how can you be fully emerged in your character"
I'm never trully emerged in any character I play. What kind of psycho fuck you are to emerge in unreal things? Are you mental?
>>47577339
I dunno, I haven't had a good enough idea for a female character yet but I'm not really against the idea
I don't really factor in all that self-obsessive identity shit, I just like fun characters
>>47578630
She sounds like a cocktease. Or she has rape fantasies.
>>47578741
Do you ever play non-spellcasters?
>>47578804
>She sounds like a cocktease. Or she has rape fantasies.
Do you say the same when a male plays such a scene? When the barbarian of your group slaughter orcs, do you assume the player has genocidal tendencies?
There really isn't any discussion to be had here. "We're already pretending to be someone/something we're not, so what makes this any different?" can't really be argued against in any good faith.
>>47578836
Nope.
>>47578804
She wasn't being a cocktease, the guys were creeped out.
You're the kind of moron who assumes anything a woman does to you is for the intent of titillation, are you?
>>47577339
Because if I sat down at the table and said "my cleric is a warrior nun, also he's a guy", I'd get weird looks
>>47578872
I pity any girl that ends up in your group
>>47578884
>"my cleric is a warrior nun, also he's a guy",
>Bridget in a suggestive pose.jpg
>>47577460
I feel sorry for you, anon. Must be tough.
God bless!
>>47577339
Because when the DM said: "hey you guys, wanna play drows in the underdark?" I rolled a female so I could boss everyone around, because fuck it, that's how I like to play: like an insuferable cunt.
>>47578836
Weeell, I mean, I kinda would. If a guy narrated a detailed rape scene, like, I wouldn't assume he was necessarily a rapist, but I'd be pretty confident what his preferred porn keywords were.
>>47578975
>I think the only way someone can act out a thing is if it's a fetish for them
It was a sabbat game, are you that fucking virginal that you can't imagine anything being done other than through the lens of your sexual frustration?
>>47578596
>mansplaining
What does this mean?
>>47577339
Because Adepta Sororitas, anon. Completely fucking crazy nuns in glorious power armor using preposterous flamethrowers, defending a faith that makes no sense, fighting every-fucking-one from aliens to their own people, in motherfucking space.
Everyone else is small time.
>>47579102
mansplain
manˈspleJn/
verbinformal
gerund or present participle: mansplaining
(of a man) explain (something) to someone, typically a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.
It's a common practice to assume that female players are beginners, and that we need help. It comes from goodwill, but it's often frustrating.
Explaining so often lead to another kind of mansplanning, in which a male, who is not familiar with the daily issues we encounter based on our gender, will then try to either explain to us that these issues don't really exist or could be easily avoided.
>>47579020
Dude, it's a chick playing WoD and rape was included in detail. It doesn't get anymore stereotypical than that. Unlike the other guy I wouldn't automatically say they had a rape fetish, especially since I wasn't there and therefore don't know all the details, but don't pretend like this assumption is something totally outlandish.
>>47577339
How can I be fully immersed in my character and roleplay when my character is a master swordsman and wielder of arcane magics?
I just don't get it /tg/.
>>47579169
>someone using this here and they're not ironically shitposting
I'm triggered desu.
>>47579169
It's common practice to assume that players you haven't played with might be new and explain things to them.
Just tell em that you know how the game works, it isn't such a big deal.
>>47578851
Well, devil's advocate here, for the sake of discussion.
Fighters and wizards, elves and dwarves, Martians and Neptunians--these aren't distinctions one encounters in the real world. There's no wizard against whom you can compare your character. Men and women, however, are real, and their relationships (on a personal and societal level) are significant. Hence why it's a bigger deal than playing someone unlike yourself in other ways.
>>47579293
I facepalmed when reading OP's question, but it's tru that at no point a wizard will just sighs when seeing one of us roleplaying him, and starts complaining we're both clichee and missing the point.
>>47579252
Nice mansplaining.
>>47579252
>Explaining so often lead to another kind of mansplanning, in which a male, who is not familiar with the daily issues we encounter based on our gender, will then try to either explain to us that these issues don't really exist or could be easily avoided
>>47578463
You forgot the part where they also try whenever there's an attractive woman around.
>>47579343
So its just explaining. Why do you need to vigorously try to find a problem where there isn't any?
>>47577339
For all my characters, I flip a coin. Heads, female. Tails, male.
As for how to play a gender which you do not natively identify with, it's an exercise in empathy and pattern recognition. Two things any human with a functioning mind should be capable of experiencing on demand.
>>47579343
If you use 'mansplaining' every time someone disagrees with you, it loses any meaning.
Some people might talk down to you because you're a woman sure. Some people might just be honestly trying to help.
Lumping them in a big pile doesn't help anyone.
>>47577339
Personally, I find that I can better express certain aspects of characters with a different gender.
A male that is 'cute' or 'silly' or even just very emotional would be seen as effeminate, and not taken as seriously as a more stoic and rational character. A female could be stoic and rational too, but I'm able to more easily express things that would be considered effeminate and weak with a male character.
>>47578824
Yeah, forgot to mention them though. I played a heavy weapons fighter who was a big buff guy. A ranger/scout who was an elf. I have a few friends who really like front line/leader characters, another who likes rogues, another who loves his sorcerers, so I end up as support.
>>47577339
>Team ends up as sausage party
>People want more variety
or
>Some joke is thrown during character creation
>Out of it, Wert decided his new character will be female to poke another joke out of the situation
or
>Dryads are female-only race
>The starting archery bonus is too much for Luke to resist his munchkin urges
or
>Paul lost the bet
>He now plays character picked by other player
or
>When filling his sheet Bart realised this would work better with female seductress, given how most important NPCs are going to be males
>He now plays as smoking hot femme fatale instead of swift James Bondesque
or
>Ian is rolling character
>Rolled out female
or
>Veronica saw Zatoichi remake
>She decided to put the concept ofbrother disguised as geishaon its head
or
>Veronica doesn't want to play as yet another musculine action girl
>She just makes a guy if she was playing as one with tits already
or
>Carol doesn't feel like playing yet another health slut
>Out of pure spite, she makes the type of character she usually heals, obligatory male
or
>Joanna had to play for Paul when he was unable to show up on game
>Ends up running his character and he got to play hers
I could keep going with this for ages, and those are just my personal experiences as GM.
>>47579409
Motivation is not in question. The tendency to be condescending is subconscious in many cases--they're not thinking "oh, I'll show sugar-tits the ropes".
Critically, though, you've kinda missed the point. You don't understand why it's hard to just tell someone you know what you're doing. They won't believe you. If you press it, they'll think you're a bitch. If they think you're a bitch, they're more likely to act aggressively towards you, which does not make for a good interaction, let alone a good campaign. You really can't ignore this stuff when you're on the receiving end.
>>47579339
>>47579343
Someone assuming you're a newbie isn't exclusive to vagina owners. Likewise someone contextualizing your issues to their own is a normal *human* thing necessary for empathy and to give out advice. If you think it's bad because your experience isn't 1:1 to theirs, why draw the line at what's between a person's legs? Of course we'd never stop arguing over what's valid and acceptable since almost everyone's experience is different. This is why mansplaining as a thing is derided as a buzzword you can hide behind whenever you don't like what someone has to say. You don't erase lines in the sand by drawing your own.
>>47577339
>how can you be fully emerged in your character
Number one, it's immersed.
Number two, this argument could also easily be applied to characters of a different race or species, different background, or theoretically even a different skillset.
You don't really know what it's like to be anyone other than yourself, though you can usually make pretty educated guesses about people who differ from you in a few aspects.
I'm any event, I occasionally play female characters (mainly for variety, though sometimes I feel a character would work better as a woman).
>Is it to create the perfect waifu/husbandu ?
>I don't think even gay people do that.
Holy loaded questions, batman!
>>47577339
If I'm going to play as Vasquez anyway, because nobody is too eager to be the fighter, why don't just play as male? At least no NPC is going to give my PC shit for being "unlady-like"
>>47579557
>Critically, though, you've kinda missed the point. You don't understand why it's hard to just tell someone you know what you're doing. They won't believe you. If you press it, they'll think you're a bitch. If they think you're a bitch, they're more likely to act aggressively towards you, which does not make for a good interaction, let alone a good campaign. You really can't ignore this stuff when you're on the receiving end.
Exactly. The guy is full of good intention, he just doesn't realise he's frustrating, and there is no way to get out of it. Either you smile and endure, or you protest and you're the antagonistic one - why do you react this way when the guy was only trying to help?
So the easiest way, online, is to hide our gender. And contrary to what other posters pretended, it drops considerably the amount of people assuming we don't know what we are doing and need extra care.
>>47579557
You know guys do the exact same thing to each other, right?
I do think that Older Brother approach is being misinterpreted by people not often on the receiving end of it.
>>47579557
My contestion was entirely with the phrase mansplaining. It doesn't help people listen to you. It just makes it sound like you think men are the problem instead of it being retarded people who are the problem.
>>47579629
Man, I remember the first time I used my microphone on a WoW raid.
>mfw
>>47579666
It's a really "man towards woman because she's a woman" problem. It has... Let's say, a different texture?
>>47579706
Sounds like you're just girlsplaining.
>>47579666
Come now ,anon, men ARE the problem.
However, at some point you accept it and move on with your life.
>>47577339
>Because if i'm gonna stare at an ass the whole game it might as well be a girls ass! lolll XDDD
>Because i'm me every day so I want to be something different.
>Because I love lesbian super sluts!
All bullshit answers OP. The real reason I love playing as girls is because secretly I have some form of gender dysphoria and this sort of stuff soothes that since I enjoy being a man and having a dick as well and don't want to mutilate myself by getting sick fucking surgeries.
This sort of stuff is my only outlet and it does the trick for me.
>>47579723
It's being witty too.
>>47579649
It's both much more common and much more overbearing when I'm up-front with my gender than when I hide it. It goes from "asking if you need help with a specific thing" to "launching into a full-scale diatribe starting with the elementary basics".
Compare/contrast two guys at my work. One who popped by to ask "you got it all figured out? Any questions? Cool." and the other who full-on re-explained the job I'd been doing for exactly as long as him no matter how many times I said "I got it".
>>47579738
>Come now ,anon, men ARE the problem.
Men aren't the problem. Cultural behaviours and expectations engrained into us (males and females) and perpetuated by us are the problem, causing well meaning people to behave in problematic ways.
Many males are allies and try to counterbalance these problematic bias. Being socialy aware isn't limited to a gender.
>>47579795
Bitch, you should learn to adapt to the social area you wander in if you want to be convincing. Unless you're false-flagging or a troll, then I guess you know exactly what you're doing.
>>47579738
It sounds like you and your shitty worldview are your biggest problem.
>>47577339
Being a not original person, I tend to stand by archetypes.
Healer will often be a nice gentle lady, the range character can be a bow using elf lady.
I just see it become a problem here when everyone only has sexual or stuff that goes into the intimate range. Non-normy stuff if you like.
I just play with my friends, they're not massive nerds or anything, not even on /tg/ and there's never a problem plays a woman, because there's no "bad" thoughts behind. Maybe it's because we tend to let sexuality fall out of the window? But there's generally not much difference between a lale and a female character anyway. The only seduction that happens is between PCs and NPCs, no magical realm has ever been noticed.
Maybe my group is just prude or normie in comparison to the average /tg/ one, but it prevents any monumental and incredible fuck ups that we hear about here.
>>47579795
Sorry, what? What non-cultural behauvior would you prefer? What is wrong with social norms?
If a way of acting is socially expected, how can it be problematic?
>>47579745
At least you are honest.
>>47577339
Because I can?
I picture a character in my head, I like the idea, I play it?
>>47579666
>>47579557
My problem with it is that it's incredibly passive aggressive and you just guaranteed the conversation is not going to be a good or productive one. If you want to get anywhere with anyone, you know communicate, you'll need to help them fill in those crucial gaps that you know they're missing. Everyone's lens has their own tint, someone is going to process small bits of information, especially info only a few sentences long, with their own point of view. If you don't like that then try to fix it. So instead of making a four letter word for it try to work with someone to come to a more accurate understanding of your situation. It's not like you haven't been guilty of the same thing in some form or another and you will probably unwittingly do it again in the future. Don't put people down for it, it just makes you seem confrontational and unreasonable. Seriously, I thought we were supposed to be adults, we should know by now antagonizing a person is not going to get them to understand you. Hell, they won't want to.
>>47579738
Oh, God. I just remembered this guy from an old thread.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47233413/#47234996
>If the character is a female and get shot in the abdomen she might say "I hope i can still have children.".
>>47580023
I'm cringing from secondhand embarrassment.
>>47579749
No. You're just girlsplaining.
What the fuck is mansplaining and girlsplaining?
>>47580114
It basically means 'I disgree with this person and will blame it on their gender instead of making an argument'
>>47580071
We technically have a word for that. It just sounds too strong when applied to strangers, is getting a bit dated, and it doesn't always differentiate since you can't really get confused in context if you think about it.
You are ashamed of that anon. To be ashamed of someone is to feel what is known as 'second hand embarrassment'. You can also simply express that you feel shame (or even embarrassment) since we know you aren't the one at fault, hence context.
I like women. I like strong women and weak women. Nice women and mean women. I just fucking love women. They're the fucking best thing on earth.
>>47580114
>You don't have all the pieces of the puzzle in order to accurately understand my situation so instead of providing them I'll let you give out advice or opinions I consider insufficient and then attack you for it
>>47580172
Well, the fictional ones anyway.
I find that men play women better than women most of the time.
I approach roleplaying slightly differently, I never play as "Me" and I avoid using "I" when describing my character. It's more like I'm controlling someone, not acting as someone, if that makes sense, makes playing weird characters easier for me.
Anyone else do this?
Why is it that recently people have been saying you can't play the other gender?
By recently, I mean in the last 18 months.
It never used to be an issue. It still isn't amongst any of my groups..
>>47580264
People have been doing that for a while.
I brought it up the first time I posted on /v/ in 2008 and got blasted for it.
>>47580023
That's not really bad...a guy getting shot in the nads can generate the same line. That dude's a bit of a sperg, sure, but that bit in particular wasn't awful.
>>47580264
(Some) people have been saying that for much longer than 18 months. Maybe it's picked up during that time, I haven't been tracking it, but this is hardly a new phenomenon.
>>47580264
It's a popular bait topic.
>>47580288
It comes off as very forced. Like, we get it you're playing a girl.
>Ouch! My ovaries!
>>47580264
I think it's generational and hobby thing. Older gamers who don't play /v/idya seem more likely to make a big deal about it than someone who has spent a decade of playing multiplayer /v/idya where players can play a female character with the press of a few buttons and you can't simply shut all those players out. It makes for good banter and shitposting material too.
>>47577339
>>47577339
Because I'm playing a roll that isn't me.
How can I get fully emerged in playing someone successful when I'm a failure or someone who a operate when I have never fired a gun in my life?
I play chicks because I can. I don't really see why sperglords care about this topic.
Personally I do it because playing an obvious male self insert character who's super ripped and brave or whatever seems really edgy/weird/nerdy to me. I'd rather do something a bit silly and less serious so I play as a chick.
>>47580310
>Guy shot in the dick
>Panicking
>Lying down in ambulance
>Suddenly thinks of his wife back home
>Grabs attendant's collar
>"Will I still be able to have kids doc?!"
>"Get that mask back on him!"
>Girl shot in the lower abdomen
>Panicking
>Lying down in ambulance
>Suddenly thinks of her husband back home
>Grabs attendant's collar
>"Will I still be able to have kids doc?!"
>"Get that mask back on her!"
Yeah, it's a bit forced, but it can still be done right.
"Ouch! My ovaries!" is simply on par with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAg1r6zw7Bg
>>47579795
>>47579825
>>47580002
>people can't see sarcasm on the internet
>maybe I should have put "XD" or ":^)" afterwards
The point is that you can either argue futilely, on the internet no less, with someone who thinks you are a problem because you exist, or accept their opinion about you will always be negative despite any and all evidence to the contrary and try to live your life as happily as you can.
t. black guy in America
>>47580436
I mean that's one way to solve that issue but you can certainly do something non-serious, self-deprecating, or just someone completely unlike you without playing a girl.
>>47580523
I just assumed baiting over sarcasm.
>>47580540
It's easier, anon, to assume baiting when you think everyone is as childish as say.... y'know, naw, gonna take the high road.
But it does seem like everyone read the first line, stopped, then posted.
Amusingly enough, I was recently accused of "mansplaining" at my job, where I am the (un)official rookie breaker. That's why I think it's women not being used to the way men approach instruction; I use the same approach with everyone, and I dig in on the people who are not up to snuff, and if I repeat ad nauseam, it's because despite my prattle, they are still fucking it up.
>>47580416
>I don't really see why sperglords care
Because they are sperglords, duh
>>47580596
>That's why I think it's women not being used to the way men approach instruction
It's funny. They accuse guys of not connecting all the dots, but then they go and do the same thing when judging our actions.
>>47577339
Because I have more imagination than an inert 2x4.
I try to mix it up every now and again and maintain a roughly 50/50 split, with a couple of nongendered or monstrous characters every now and again. Often, gender is just a sidenote to explain something else, depending on the setting.
Although I will propose a counterargument via ad extremis:
>Now I am not one to judge, but how can you play an orc? How can you be fully immersed in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different race?
>>47580669
Alright, then tell me why I am accused of mansplaining when I have used the same approach with 3 dozen people over the last year, with varying amounts of success?
The difference between you and I is that you are the accuser, while I am the accused, and you clearly have never called the other party out and told them to account for their actions (unless you have, and at that point, say what transpired WITHOUT writing off what the other party said with the same contempt you have displayed prior) like I had to to my supervisor.
>>47578851
Different degrees of distinction, to me it seems like any humanoid male would be more like any other humanoid male then they would be like a female in the same sub class as them. Maybe that is me just falsely assuming that all humanoids would have the same degree of sexual dimorphism that humans do. Likewise irl I feel like I would have more in common with a man of a different race than a woman of the same race as me (sorry /pol/).
I was actually thinking that I would like to play a female character sometime in the future though. Nothing wrong with it, I just haven't been inspired to do it yet. I almost never play non-human either. Would be nice to diversify a bit.
>>47580754
>The difference between you and I is that you are the accuser, while I am the accused
No. I'm agreeing with you and calling the women who said you were "mansplaining" hypocrites.
>>47579169
Have you considered that they might act much the same way to other dudes?
Just because somebody is being an asshole doesn't mean they're being a misogynist, and frankly I find the term 'mansplaining' to be pretty misandristic.
>>47579169
>who is not familiar with the daily issues we encounter based on our gender, will then try to either explain to us that these issues don't really exist or could be easily avoided.
Isn't that just a self defense mechanism for when men call leg beards out on feminist bullshit that is demonstrably false?
> It doesn't matter if you have evidence or if I'm contradicting myself. Because I'm a woman and you're a man I'm right about this and you are wrong, end of discussion.
It's so fucking intellectually lazy.
>>47577339
Anecdotal but in my experience i've seen females play male characters quite well but few men play good females.
>>47580866
This, to an extent. I would like to hear from a woman where she draws the line between a guy mouthing you off because he doesn't like *you* and misogyny.
>>47577339
>Now I am not one to judge, but why do people do it ?
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different race/class?
>Is it to create the perfect waifu/husbandu ?
>I don't think even gay people do that.
I've honestly had far more trouble playing other races, particularly once you get past elves and dwarves that are fairly human and can lean on stereotypes for, and go into tieflings or dragonborn or whatever else. The only positive I can say with playing a lizardman or a gnoll is that I have no desire to lewd anything, so it's easy to avoid magical realm.
>>47577420
Same here, unless i want to do something specific i just roll for phisical appearence like gender, hair color and the like
>>47580842
Erm, I do apologize then.
>>47580884
I've seen... pretty much a case of everyone falling back to stereotypes in some manner. Women, I've seen, will insert different motes of behavior commonly attributed to women, especially when making decisions of ambition/loyalty/fraternity vs kindness (something most guys, especially in various institutions, would have monumental struggles with, or none at all), whereas men play up the sexuality that men can't do irl, or bond to a sense of duty you don't often see irl women commit to.
Neither is wrong, imo, and the argument smacks of childishness and a gross lack of human empathy.
>>47577339
I alternate male and female.
Because fuck you, there's plenty of female characters that need to get played. Like grandma bababababushka.
>>47577339
All those ridiculous threads about not roleplaying the opposite sex is very funny. Improv Theater, or even regular theater does it all the time, and has been since its creation -most of the antique plays didn't have women on stage, so men played women, and nobody were like "oh man that's cringy".
You either play yourself, or you play a character.
Most people stick to one because they can't or don't want to do the other.
>>47577339
I flip a coin at character creation.
In my experience, my character's gender doesn't matter one flying fuck.
Because I am the Only. Sane. Person. in my group.
I am the only one who will remember the plot.
The only one who is actually playing whatever race / class combination I claim to be playing.
The only one who will not decide to play a pacifist without telling anyone.
The only one who bothers drawing a map.
The only one who keeps track of their inventory.
The only one who ends up getting zero character development, because I have to suffer the fools I am with, in order to save the fucking world, which is 100% what I want to do in a game.
Sure, the half-iron golem monk gets to retire and found a town around her monastery, and the shifter barbarian / rogue marries a changeling waifu and settles down and has ten kids, and the pacifist chaotic neutral bard starts his own touring company, but I got to REPEATEDLY BLUDGEON THAT SMUG MOTHERFUCKING DM-AVATAR EVIL GUY and VICTIMIZE HIM. because I WAS NOT SWAYED BY HIS BULLSHIT "we are not so different, I've never hurt anyone" LIES WHILE HE WAS HOLDING THE CORPSE OF A RITUALISTICALLY SLAUGHTERED INFANT. I GOUGED OUT HIS EYES AND SCALPED HIS SKULL AND REMOVED HIS VOCAL CORDS AND CUT AWAY HIS STERNUM AND PULLED OUT ONE LUNG AND DRAINED THE ACID FROM HIS STOMACH INTO HIS OWN OPEN EYESOCKETS AND ATE HIS INTESTINES AND MUTILATED HIS KNEECAPS WITH ARROWHEADS AND GAVE HIM AN INGROWN TOENAIL, AND THEN, WHEN HE WAS DEAD, I RESURRECTED HIM, AND HIS SOUL RETURNED WILLINGLY, AND I DID IT ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS HOW DIFFERENT WE ARE MOTHERFUCKER! THIS IS HOW DIFFERENT WE ARE! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Yeah, that's what makes me feel good about a campaign.
>>47577413
There is not a better indicatior of someone being a retarded faggot than condescendingly using "honey", "sweety", and other similar terms to describe people who they don't agree with online
>>47581130
Sure thing sugarcube.
>>47577339
Get better at role-playing then dumbass.
>>47577339
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS THREAD
>>47581181
EVERY SUMMER UNTIL YOU LIKE IT.
>>47580596
>That's why I think it's women not being used to the way men approach instruction
You know? This seems spot on when it comes to cases where the "mansplainer" is actually not beign condescending for its own sake.
In which case there is a problem of communication, either the "mansplainer" fails to comprehend that the "splainee" understood the matter, or that the "splainee" failed to communicate correctly that the subject is understood
I've never encountered myself in your situation as a HS teacher mostly because
a) Explaining the subject the same way regardless of sexes is the norm
b) Explaining the subject in a more condescending manner is only necessary when the student needs it
The main problem that i've encountered in the internet is that would-be "mansplainers" are just people trying to say "From my point of view, this is my take on the matter as an outsider" and coming as "This is how it is"
Well that or the "splainee" refuses to hear anything an outsider has to say about a ceirtain subject because they are an outsider, "i've been living (situation) my whole life, how you DARE to have an opinion contrary to mine?". This may go from actually being justified (Rich person commenting on how to solve the poor people problem even when he never met one person that lives in poverty in his life) to outright bonkers (A person telling a doctor that they are wrong because they don't know their own/children's body as well as they do)
Well, that and actual condescending people with no self-awareness. Seriously, since the whole gamers vs jounalists stuff started the number of condescending douchebags on the internet you notice is based solely on the "side" you are in. I've seen men.women, left wingers, right wingers, etc. and claiming that one group engages in that behavior most than others would be missing the point.
Now i realize that "mansplainers" could also mean "Armchair (subject) explaining (subject) to someone who has experience in (subject)"
>>47580866
Misandry doesn't exist to these people. In their minds, it simply isn't capable to be unfairly judging a man. The level of willful denial at work is staggering, but that's how they operate. It's all well and good saying 'Oh well it doesn't matter if a man has good intentions, he's SUBCONSCIOUSLY being a misogynist', but the moment you imply that something similar is happening on the other side of the equation... Well, that would be criticising them, wouldn't it? And any insult directed personally at them is obviously an insult to their philosophy as a whole, because that way they don't need to take any -personal- responsibility and can safely write off the opinions of their naysayers as 'just another misogynist trying to spread his hate', when in reality they have internalised the hate, they have swallowed the poison, and stand waiting for everyone else to die.
It's like - they want to be treated the same as us, but they simultaneously don't want to be criticised the same as us. It's intellectual doublethink in a truly disgusting fashion and I genuinely find it insulting and offensive that all the actually sane women and men who fight for true parity in society have been stuck with these hypocrites as a figurehead, because that right there is the real tragedy. That the social justice movement, something that BY DEFINITION should have been a great leap forward in the fields of equality, justice and compassion, was hijacked by hateful and bitter misanthropes will be regarded as one of the great mistakes of the 21st century
No one in my group crossplays 2-4 guys and 2 girls. Dunno why anyone would
>>47577339
Historically man men played women in theater, and there are plenty of all male sketch comedy groups that pretend to be women for their sketches because hiring other actors all the time would be expensive.
Most male characters in cartoons are voiced by women because a lot of guys can't mimic a young boy's voice worth a damn without killing their vocal cords.
>>47581049
That's kinda my problem when I'm trying to play men. I don't have that "edge" to me, that "whatever the cost!"
>>47581235
In a practical sense, misogyny doesn't really mean a hatred of women so much as a belief that women are inferior, especially intellectually.
Misandry in the sense of hatred of men is certainly a real thing, since everyone has their biases, but it's not nearly as baked into everyday life and culture as misogyny-in-the-functional-but-non-literal-meaning. Like, there are man-hating bosses who'll pass you over for a promotion because they hate men, but they're not a societal force like "y'know, Joe just seems better suited to leadership".
>>47581608
Misandry is explicitly baked into law and institutional policy, and most people literally don't care, or even defend it. In the west, men have it worse in most quantifiable ways, and because of blantly sexist policy and procedure in every facet of our civilization. Of course, until recent decades, there were similar slights against women, but most of those are gone now, many replaced by opposite problems (for example, higher educational acceptance, millitary advancement, and buisiness loans)
>>47581608
>"whatever the cost!"
Fortunately, most guys don't have that either :^)
That kind of internal will is NOT common, however, in most games, the pcs are not common folk. At least you admit the issue comes down to you, but it's honestly not hard.
PROTIP: the secret is doing it anyway, but accepting the consequences, and roleplaying the internal regret. The same has literally happened to me in my game, where I pursued the character's duty, failed at it, and a lot of people died in the process. So it has become an interesting, rarely experienced situation of playing a pc used to success with little tolerance for failure having to deal with gross failure. It... stings, in a way I am mightily unused to.
>Misandry in the sense of hatred of men is certainly a real thing, since everyone has their biases, but it's not nearly as baked into everyday life and culture as misogyny-in-the-functional-but-non-literal-meaning.
Try explaining institutional racism sometime. Yes, it is there, yes, it is strong, yes, people deny it exists or is as present as what it is.
>Joe just seems better suited to leadership
At that point, ask yourself what the difference is that bred that mindset. What I've learned is to dissect the intent to its basics, at that point, you can figure out what brought it about.
>>47581776
>men have it worse in most quantifiable ways
Re: I am male and because my problems are immediate and affect me it MUST affect ALL MEN too and there can't possibly be a significant number of women who have it far worse!
>>47581917
Women's issues have been a forefront topic for a century and more.
Issues facing men do not receive a third of the support or the attention, especially depending on the community. It does get... grating, when you see people don't really care, that because you are a guy, you either deserve it, are a part of it, the cause of it, or a victim that should keep their mouth shut.
>>47581776
Policies favoring women are overwhelmingly instituted by men.
>>47581608
The problem comes from this attitude a lot of feminists have like compassion and abstract concepts are ultra finite resources. It turns out demonizing people, shutting them out, and pretending their problems don't exist is a one way trip to their shitlist. I get that this comes from feminist's fear that acknowleding certain things will somehow discredit others, but it has become hateful and ridiculous. They snarl at what they perceive as 'what about the men!' but it never would've been a problem if they had just respectfully acknowledged the elephants in the room and had been moreinclusivefrom the start. Then there's the other problem. If their goal is to remove the shackles of gender then they will have to deal with the shackles men have. It doesn't matter if they feel those are less important, a wound is a wound (that can begin to fester) no matter how small. A shackle is still a shackle. What's going to happen when women are completely liberated and we still have all our shackles? Nothing dramatic, but life will steadily become subpar for men. Some feel like it's this way already unless you're at the top of the food chain. Either way those shackles aren't going to magically disappear someday if we never directly deal with it. Feminists made most of their own enemies this decade because of a huge failure to understand these things.
>>47581917
Tell you what.
When men STOP HAVING THEIR DICKS CHOPPED AT BIRTH, I'll admit women have anything worse than men.
As it stands, men are the only ones in a first world country who have to deal with genital mutilation.
>>47581917
how many women die in war?
how many women die in business related accidents?
how many women have their children and half of their possessions and wages for the rest of their lives taken from them on a whim?
how many women are in prison for terms even COMPARABLE to the sentences men serve for identical crimes?
why is female genital mutilation a tragedy and circumcision is still widely accepted?
how come violence on men by women is wholesome entertainment?
riddle me these
>>47579745
>Because I love lesbian super sluts!
So do I.
>All bullshit answers OP. The real reason I love playing as girls is because secretly I have some form of gender dysphoria and this sort of stuff soothes that since I enjoy being a man and having a dick as well and don't want to mutilate myself by getting sick fucking surgeries.
>This sort of stuff is my only outlet and it does the trick for me.
And partially this for me as well.
>>47582030
That only makes it worse because it means that they have internalized misandry.
>>47579745
>if you ever wonder how is it like to be the other gender you must have a disorder and want to chop your dick off
And people say that tranny acceptance doesn't have any negative consequences.
>>47577339
>Make a character
>Think "What would they do here?"
>Do that
Tl:dr do a little something called ACTING
>>47582083
The worst combo.
>>47579745
This is pretty well me. If I weren't so literally attached to my beard and cock I'd probably love to be a woman.
>>47577339
To be honest, I don't know. I started doing it in MMOs and video games in early high school and just never stopped. I guess it's fun to see what kind ofedgywaifu I can make in a dress up simulator.
That said, if I am roleplaying in voice, I would probably play a male character. I draw the line at vocal communication because even I think it gets kind of weird at that point.
I have a very gender neutral style of roleplaying anyways. Gender would change very little about the kinds of characters i usually play.
>>47582030
Well, yes, but you don't see feminists going around yelling that they want to be treated worse, or that they want men to be treated better.
They don't want parity. At least, not the tumblr egos that have become the many headed hydra of that particular revolution.
I always tend to play as the opposite gender. Am I fully immersed as if I was playing a male character? I don't know, but I still feel like I can get into my characters well enough.
I've thought for awhile why and when I started doing this and I think I've pinpointed it back to the first Knights of the Old Republic game. I didn't like any of the male presets (you couldn't customize) so I picked the female one. I thought she looked really cool as a Sith and ever since I've just tended to play female characters
>>47577664
>Army uniform
Yeah that's about right.
>>47582148
Rather for a lot of them their view of equality is super skewed and they view all these awful things as leveling the playing field. Chopping off the legs of someone so that they're eye level and suffering right along with them.
>>47578741
it's written corral
>>47582040
>how many women die in war?
Wars declared by a mostly male legislature?
>how many women die in business related accidents?
In businesses owned almost entirely by men?
>how many women have their children and half of their possessions and wages for the rest of their lives taken from them on a whim?
>how many women are in prison for terms even COMPARABLE to the sentences men serve for identical crimes?
At the discretion of mostly male judges?
>how is female genital mutilation a tragedy and circumcision is still widely accepted?
According to mostly-male state and local legislatures?
>how come violence on men by women is wholesome entertainment?
85% of the entertainment industry is men.
You see the problem? Men are still the ones who hold most of the positions of power, especially in the US. And a lot of the same people who think they're just not qualified for front-line combat think they're not qualified to make their own decisions regarding birth control.
>>47582126
What disorder, exactly?
>>47582230
you can't blame half the population for the suffering of individuals. Who gives a fuck if a man declares war. That condemns all men?
Nice sweeping brush strokes bud.
The people that put in this legislation and perpetuate this shit have drunk the kool aid and are as indoctrinated into the feminist hate cult as the keyboard warriors and marxist children that preach it
>>47579252
This. Really, each group is going to do things different, so you can't treat one group like the last one. My first game used point buy, most of my later games had me roll. Some allowed snacks, some didn't. Sometimes there's a difference in setting, or general tone.
>>47582230
No one said women were opressing men, at least not on their own, but that society does. And it absolutely does
>>47578463
No, that's about right.
>>47582387
They play their part in that, though most would never admit it. Women are the biggest enforcers of masculine culture. There are some traits they wish we didn't have but at the same time they become disgusted if we go against said traits. Not bottling it up and crying is an obvious one. If women don't accept it, it won't be accepted.
>>47582387
I don't think they'd do any better. I wouldn't trust anyone who is buddy buddy with radfems to not cause just as much problems. These people pretend problems don't exist if it ruins their black and white narrative. That's dangerous. How can we be sure they wouldn't do all those things if they made up the bulk of hollywood, legislation, etc. etc.
>>47578873
Well, that is all women are good for.
>people like playing female archers
>meme about women being weak
>archery somehow not being all about strength
Stereotypes are funny.
>>47583027
It's mainly longbow archery where you have to worry about massive strength. Marksmanship is also important though, especially when you're dealing with the typical skirmish level of RPGs rather than massed battles and arrow volleys.
>>47577339
Isn't the entire point of roleplaying in tabletops and even vidya escapism? It's fun pretending to be someone else. Playing another gender is as logical a step as playing another race. Yeah, you should try to play them accurately if possible, but as long as everyone's having a good time who gives a shit?
It does depend on the group, though. Some shittier groups can't take female characters seriously for some reason.
>>47577339
I engage more with the character, it lets me disconnect and stop playing 'just me.'
No. When you play your non-crossplaying character, is it to play the perfect power fantasy or are you making an interesting story/idea?
>And yes, I'm sure they do.
>>47577339
I create an interesting character FIRST, then roleplaying comes second.
So if I create an interesting female character, then why should that hinder me from playing her as opposed to any other male character I invent?
For example; my old adventurer had a daughter, and in the next game, set a few years later, I decided to play as his daughter. Why shouldn't I be able to? It's a good character, and it makes for a very dramatic story.
DnD isn't all just numbers and dice rolling, you know?
>>47577339
My girlfriend usually plays men in video games because she hates how flimsy and high pitched women usually are, mmorpg and high-level woman armor is also a problem.
>>47578884
>Virtuous boner.png
>>47577416
>The same reason that people might play a character who is a different alignment, race, physical build, or profession from them.
Yeah, but none of those have cooties.
>>47583115
>It's mainly longbow archery where you have to worry about massive strength
>I never shot a bow in my life
Unless you are doing target practice on really, really short distance (as in - below 20 meters), you gotta get that bow and pull it. Also, if you are going to harm anyone with your bow, you need certain poundage from the get-go, or you will end up with Hollywood-style arrows that barely pierce the skin and that's all they do, so your target can literally shrug them off.
>>47585667
A 40-50 pound draw weight can serve just fine. At that point you're looking at a shortbow in D&D terms.
Less than 20 meters is about the range most D&D fights take place at.
You don't need a full 100 pound draw english longbow to kill someone, especially in D&D land where you can get enough dexterity to fire arrows with ridiculous accuracy.
>>47581122
>>47581122
How does it feel, having blurred the line?
Back in high school I played gals about 40% of the time, because I left gender to a coinflip in cases where I felt like I could play that kind of person either way. Wanted to push myself to be able to decently rp a wider range of people.
Nowadays I mostly GM, but for major NPCs they'll typically be female about 60% of the time. Driving factor now is just trying to make my material a little more fresh/interesting- if I need an NPC who's like revolver ocelot or the re4 merchant, changing up things like age or gender can help keep things fresh for me.
As others have said, not a big deal. If roleplaying as other gender seems hard then maybe you need to get good at rp.
>>47583515
What kind of character is this? A dual class duelist/stripper?
You realise the only way such a dress would stick is either magic or using double-adhesive pasties?
That the dress will constantly get caught in her feet and hinders her mouvement?
That fighting with such heels is like fighting on stilts? Did you even ever tried to walk with such heels? Just walking already drain your focus!
Her hair are also far too long to not be something that will at best hinder her movement,and at worst be used by her opponents to grab her.
Seriously just looking at this picture got me into PMS rage.
That's why most men are facepalming bad at roleplaying females, their lack of experience isn't compensated by the necessary theorycrafting. :/
>>47577339
I'm always amused at how squeamish some people get over sex and sexuality. Male and Female characters often carry the same statistics but offer different role playing experiences. That's it.
>>47577339
>Why play as a women?
>How do you treat women gamers?
>How does your setting justify women adventurers?
>Women are joining my game, what do I do?
>Ever have a woman play MTG?
When will these meme threads die?
>>47588347
Didn't you know /tg/ is /d/-light? And just like on /d/, we're all little girls here.
>Writing is an opportunity to take a journey through someone else’s eyes. It’s a chance to step out of yourself and experience someone else’s life. I love that about writing, and so it makes sense to me that I love to write characters that are very different from me.
>I’ve often seen people online ask how to write characters different from themselves, and the biggest bit of advice I’ve seen is one that I couldn’t agree with more: think of them as people first. Beyond race, gender, religion or sexual orientation, our characters are people first. They have opinions, desires, fears and dreams like everyone else, they have tempers and motivations and pet peeves and loved ones.
>If you figure out who they are first, the rest falls into place. It’s just a matter of getting to know them well enough so that you can.
Oh wait, /tg/ won't take this advice because they are shit at writing. Don't worry though, surely the public will love your fantasy heartbreaker/novel!
>>47579220
Try; acting.
>>47584892
I play women in video games because they don't look like body builders, and their armor is more intricate. For male characters I want Bruce Lee, not the hulk.
>>47585725
>I not only never shot a bow in my life
>I also never played other games than D&D
Are you going to seriously try to make an argument about bow poundage based on fucking D&D out of all games? The system well-known for being absolutely unable to handle ranged combat as anything else than utter shit?
>>47579772
No girl on the internet.
2/10, got me to respond
>>47581122
>>47585725
Anon, bows require strenght, not dexterity, that's the entire point of this argument. And you, just like every DD pleb, decided to ignore that and go for "yeah, but Dex fixes this".
You need to be strong to keep drawing that bowstring, ESPECIALLY when you are doing target shooting and not just volleys with other 200 people. Hence the whole stereotypical and cliche character of "small, agile girly girl with bow" is fucking retarded. Want to have girly girl with ranged weapon? Give her a fucking sling. Or a crossbow with goat. And best - a fucking gun.
But not a God-damn bow.
>>47577339
>how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different gender ?
How can I be fully emerged into my Kobold Sorcerer? It's just roleplaying senpai. Not self-insertion. I mean if you do, that's cool as long as you're not ruining it for everyone.
>>47588824
You can teach a highschool girl how to shoot a bow in gym class, If they're somewhat athletic and can pull back a 45-50 lbs.
cliches are what they are but I think you're overestimating how much weight that is. I imagine those sort of characters closest real life reference point would be gymnasts and for that type of build it shouldn't be that unreasonable.
>>47588965
>If they're somewhat athletic
You see what you have done here yourself? You are breaking down your own arguments by providing counter-arguments, all by yourself.
And again, I advise you go to nearby gym or range - they are extremely popular, regardless of country, especially after Hungry Games hype for bows - and just try shooting with a bow. The "weak-ass 45-50 lbs" bow.
Then return and tell me again how it doesn't take any effort and I'm overestimating how much weight that is. Because there is apparently no other way to shut up all the spergs who constantly talk about bows, but their own physical activity and experience is fucking non-existing.
>>47588965
Different anon, but classic 60 lbs bow is what a well-toned person will have problem to fully draw. 50 pound is an absolute limit for someone not training for YEARS to fully draw. And you are acting somewhere aroud "well, grabbing 50 pounds with your hand and lifting is not that hard, surely people overestimate it with bows".
It doesn't work like that in draw, as you can't use gravity for your help - it's force of your one arm against force of another arm, and there is of course the elastic force of the bow itself. So 50 pounds is a fucking lot to draw...
... and might be still insufficient in hunting bigger game, not to mention armoured target (forget metal plates, simple padding will make a problem already)
>>47577339
The same way you fully immerse yourself in your character and roleplay them when they're a militant warrior priest and you have no real experience of organised religion or military service, or when they're a motherflippin' elf or dwarf or lizardman from the 9th planet of the Kajinki System or whatever the hell.
I can assure you, men and women aren't really different species, man. You just think about the characters life experiences, and build a character from there. In a lot of settings, their gender will have had a marked effect on the way they were socialised growing up, and in some settings it won't. But if you can seriously say that you'd be capable of playing an Elven/Dwarven/Space Alien of the same gender as you, but not an Elven/Dwarven/Space Alien of the opposite gender, then you seriously need to examine your knowledge of and attitudes to the opposite gender.
>>47589005
I can and have fired a 45-50 lbs. bow but I'm not a small agile girly girl so its irrelevant. I think the justification isn't that it requires no strength it is that it requires speed and coordination more than pure muscular strength to perform the types of actions that a bowman does in your usual RPG. Maybe if D&D made a differentiation between its bodyweight strength and pure isolated muscular strength then it could be more appropriately stated.This is of course ignoring the real reason which is having all martials dependent one one singular stat makes for a boring game. I think the base strength to use the weapon and dex modifier for scaling is probably the right way to do it though.
>>47589178
>I think the justification isn't that it requires no strength it is that it requires speed and coordination more than pure muscular strength to perform the types of actions that a bowman does in your usual RPG
Anon, don't want to break it for you, but it's 2016, not 1986. There are other games on the market than D&D. And none of them handles bows as bad as D&D does, as part of the so-called "muh tradition".You definitely need to start playing other games than D&D, maybe you will stop sprouting bullshit
>>47589178
>I can and have fired a 45-50 lbs
>Then the rest of the post happens
Why are you lying in the internet? You are not impressing anyone, just embarassing yourself
>>47582387
No, what he's saying is that /men/ are oppressing men. The power structures that men design and implement without female collaboration are inherently destructive and oppressive.
>>47577339
I like to role play something I'm not in real life.
I think 40% of my characters have been female just because i RP something totally different to normal for fun
>>47577416
pssst dont tell OP our secret about the purpose of roleplaying.
I play male characters because I like to be able to sleep around and not have to worry about it. Current DM at least, would love nothing more than to have a female character get pregnant and then pile on penalties and try to kill her or something.
Playing my rogue guy currently, I can have him bed a tavern girl without concern. For the most part.
>>47577555
partially true but you forogt the most ivident truth:
most players can't even roleply
>>47577339
how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay your character if he/she is a different proffession/has different believes/ a different cultural background than you?
>>47589888
>most players don't even roleply
Here, FTFY
Which means that PC gender is even more irrevelant, really
>>47577339
I played a female NE insane alienist wizard cannibal cultist. By the end her gender really wasn't apparent anymore nor was it ever really relevant to her apart from the whole willful Deep One gestation period thing.
>>47589955
People were less concerned with my character being a chick than me finding really reasonable and reliable ways to hide the fact she was evil and eating sentient flesh.
>>47589998
... and this somehow surprises you?
>>47587893
It's a Pokemon Gijinka. I don't think realism was at the top of the agenda.
>>47577339
Most people have more in common with the opposite gender compared to every other aspect of character creation.
(Your character may be amoral, alien or otherwise inhuman.)
>>47577339
>People that play another race
>Now I am not one to judge, but why do people do it ?
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different species ?
>Is it to create the perfect specieu ?
>I don't think even aliens do that.
Fix'd4u
>>47577339
In person, I find it hard to RP as a girl if I'm a player.
Honestly just because I would feel weird knowing other players heard my character speak with my actual man voice.
Maybe if I got really into it I could do it.
I can totally rp as a girl online though if there is no voice chat.
>>47591380
>Be my GM
>2.02 m tall body-builder
>Spending lots of his time in Norse re-enactment movement, so sprouts long, braided beard
>Roleplays and voice-acts all his NPCs
>ALL of them
>As long as you are not watching him doing so, he is bloody convincing with this shit, otherwise your brain gets confused the fuck is going on
I mean seriously, as long as he's not role-playing kids, this guy pull anything and you wouldn't know better
>>47582083
Yes to all of the above. Couldn't have said it better myself. While I would love the ability to be a sexy woman every now and then, I certainly wouldn't want to give up being a man to do so (also becoming a hideous tranny is just.... wtf).
Sometimes I just want to be a sexy woman (most of the time lesbian, slut or normal, sometimes bi) and roleplaying women is a nice outlet for an otherwise unfuilable desire.
Being a shapeshifter would be awesome.
>>47577339
Because I get bored playing dudes all the time
Shit, the entire point of a tabletop is that you have absolute fucking freedom
>>47582173
Sort of similar to how I started, randomly generated a character and it turned up female. Now I just find it natural to play the opposite gender.
I also take it as a great opportunity to improve my crappy roleplaying skills to play the best characters I can. Also sexuality rarely comes up in the games I play in because the group is a bunch of socially akward conservative christians that try to pretend they are 'ok' with edgy stuff but then cringe the second even the wiff of something sexual pops up.
>tfw I just want to roleplay having a character form aloving, caring relationship with handholding.
>tfw I just want a situation to pop up where our characters genders and worldviews need to actually be RPed out
>tfw GM presents good situations of character development then it gets glossed over as no one cares about character development but me and i'm too chickshit to 'force' the issue and do the character development I wanted to do
>>47577339
>I mean how can you be fully emerged in your character and roleplay the character when he/she is a different gender ?
What do you play? Because you're probably not a wizard, a cyborg, and elf, a tiefling, a golem, a vampire, a changeling, a skilled medieval warrior, a rebel, a traveling merchant dealing in non fiat money, a magic cleric, a necromancer, 300lbs of muscle, a halfling, a slayer if gods, able to hide in plain sight, an exceptionally skilled marksman who's training translates to all ranged weapons available in your age, a dwarf, a Space Marine, a robot, or a sage.
How do YOU play any RPG that doesn't involve internet-going modern people talking about shit that doesn't matter and be fully emerged?
>>47577539
It really ought to be /lgbtw/ at this point.
I don't think my RP characters are personas for my self
I just play characters
its really weird to me that people will use RPs to play themselves our their personal fantasies about themselves
its even weirder to me that they assume everyone else is aswell
>>47593231
>its really weird to me that people will use RPs to play themselves our their personal fantasies about themselves
But anon, those people are minority, while there is absolutely nothing special or abnormal in your behavioru.
>>47581139
im a big fan of "baby doll". all my male friends are good with it, female friend was raped by her uncle... thats what he called her. 100% worth the talk, so interesting. I still call her that, it kinda just slips out. i forgot where i was going with this...
>>47577339
because i'm controlling a character, i'm not playing as myself pretending to be a character
>>47595774
>awkward murmur around the table
