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>/btg/ does a TRO:
http://builtforwar.blog(not spam)spot.com/
>How do I do this Against the Bot thing?
http://pastebin.com/pE2f7TR5
>Overview of the major factions?
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/great-houses/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/the-clans/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/other-powers/
>How do I find out what BattleMechs a faction has?
http://masterunitlist.info/
>Map of /btg/ players (WIP):
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1116217&add=1
>BattleTech Introductory Info and PDFs
http://bg.battletech.com/?page_id=400
>Rookie guides
http://pastebin.com/HZvGKuGx
>Sarna.net - BattleTech Wiki
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page
>Megamek - computer version of BattleTech. Play with AI or other players
http://megamek.info/
Unit Designing Softwares
>SSW Mech Designer
http://www.solarisskunkwerks.com/
>MegaMek Lab
http://megameklab.sourceforge.net/
>BattleTech IRC
#battletech on irc.rizon.net
>PDF Folders
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9q792hobnbpw3/Battletech
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/sdckg6j645z4j/Battletech
>>47561877
Butte Hold!
>>47560238
>What are some introductory matchups that people like outside of the introbox mechs?
I'm a big fan of the Wolverine-6M against the Warhammer-6R. It's great for teaching the importance of heat management, and it's just generally a good, balanced fight
Just got to use a Highlander IIC in a game this weekend.
Goddamn that thing is a beast. And only a IIC type, at that.
>>47562578
>Goddamn that thing is a beast. And only a IIC type, at that.
You are goddamn right, you are
So I suck at designing mechs, but had an idea for one I want to run for reasons.
A TSM cyclops.
Reasons, it's a prototype and its awful because well duh. The mech was built to solve the problem no one had of how do our command mechs brawl better.
After an accountant saw TSM and other high end tech thrown on something like that it was promptly to be dismantled for the parts, but someone knew where it was and took it for themselves.
ehh I know bad lore but would work really well with camp I'm running with friends. Any ideas on what all it should look like?
I'm getting the idea of as muchie as you can while still being the worst idea ever so like a C3 of sorts maybe clearly TSM and then some other fancy stuff.
What's your favorite variant of the regular Highlander?
Did any of the Great Houses (aside from the Capellans) bother stockpiling left over war-material from the Jihad?
And what were the specifics of Devlin Stone's disarmament program?
>>47563325
AC20 one, because it's just so fuck you.
Building a clan wolf star atm.
Why is the Ice Ferret so fuck huge compared to everything else?
>>47563764
FASA, FanPro, CGL, Ral Partha, and IWM can't into scale.
Or maybe it's a performance art piece about how the Ice Ferret is the single most common Wolf 'Mech in the Invasion era.
Wolf cucked the sphere. Alaric did! He took a Wolf army to Terra. There was NO ONE left to cuck, da wimmiz was his.
>>47563995
>>47563764
Honestly, at this point I'm writing off the scale variances as being differences in the 'Mech's electronic signature and the ease of targeting them. That's why it's so much easier to get line-of-sight in minis play against a primitive Longbow or a modern Thor instead of a "perfected" Invasion-era model, right?
>>47559507
>So even if the fluff says that they do it, simple logic demands that they don't, or the game universe falls apart.
There's a lot of stuff that just doesn't add up between what a piece of fluff will say and what will make sense or even mesh with other fluff. It can be a hassle.
I guess it's kinda good CGL is laying off solid numbers and stuff anymore.
>>47564570
>He took a Wolf army to Terra.
I don't see it making much of a dent in Terra. I find it a miracle they even have a capable fighting force left after battles against the Republic, Lyrans and Free World's remnants.
Also looking at that map, if the Jade Falcons are rampaging in Lyran territory, who or what exactly is guarding the Falcon Occupation Zone?
>>47565558
>who or what exactly is guarding the Falcon Occupation Zone?
The Hell's Horses and all the people our beloved Khan has shat upon to get where she is..
SURELY THIS WILL END WELL.
>>47565558
Are a decent number of the Wolf troops bondsman or impressed militia or something? Vehicles and regular infantry too.
>>47565695
>SURELY THIS WILL END WELL
Is the Cameron line the spokes-dynasty for that then?
I'm curious to know what those malcontents Malvina's dumping off in that one location are doing.
>>47565709
I'm surprised that's actually stopping their Rasalhague neighbors or the Horses, unless neither of them are particularly interested in Jade Falcon territory.
Did all the Great Houses get an even copy of the Gray Death Memory Core?
>>47562109
Welcome to the game, here's a Locust, try not to die?
>>47566235
Even if they didn't, espionage ensured that many had a partial, if not mostly complete, copy of the reconstructed core that was undergoing study by engineers and technicians in each of the Great Houses.
Specifically, I believe the Combine acquired it when Grayson Carle exchanged a copy of it with a Combine Warlord in exchange for aid.
The Free World's League and Capellan Confederation got it through espionage I believe, while the Federated Suns either got it through espionage or from their Lyran partners when they formed the Federated Commonwealth.
>>47565516
If you replace the word Regiment with Division, the Battletech universe starts to make more sense.
>>47566364
If you ignore hard numbers the universe makes even more sense
>>47566235
Sort of. Fluff is inconsistent, especially with the shitstorm of retcons regarding tech recovery.
The original idea seems to have been roughly that the level of overall knowledge was more or less even, but the rate of putting the tech into production and common use was a bit more haphazard
>>47566317
The FWL's was actually (maybe surprisingly?) personally sent to Janos Marik and Hector Stewart by Grayson Carlyle.
>>47566317
If the FWL got anything through espionage, it's because the other party wanted them to get it. SAFE is too incompetent to actually succeed at stealing anything, never mind sensitive data.
>>47566400
If you ignore the numbers, the fluff, the writers, and the fans, it's one of the best games ever made.
>>47566480
Not really, it's more dependent on the era (and what author's forget to fact-check). SAFE's pulled off some coups before.
>>47566486
That makes sense since you are not ignoring the rules
>>47566364
>>47566400
>>47566486
>>47566823
Which is the best of the post-3050 Warhammers?
>>47567766
the -8D looks like absolute trash but it's a great all-rounder stats-wise, as is the -8K.
my personal favorite canon models are probably the -10 and -11T, because I'm a heavy cavalry kinda guy
>>47568261
>the -8D looks like absolute trash
>2 ERPPC and some close-ranged weapons
>max armor, oversunk
>trash
>>47568826
I meant appearance-wise. the thing is hideous, but it's performance is excellent (kinda like the Cestus and Dragon Fire. maybe it's a FedCom thing)
>>47568919
>(kinda like the Cestus and Dragon Fire. maybe it's a FedCom thing)
More like those two are lost in the shuffle of the incredible assaults the FC got in the same book.
>>47569077
>More like those two are lost in the shuffle of the incredible assaults the FC got in the same book.
yeah. I just meant that they look bad, but perform good.
honestly, I do like the FedCom, but man, 3058 was one fuck of a lopsided TRO.
given the choice, I'd have retconned it to give factories for more than a few of those mechs to the dracs and FWL, make those mechs IS general instead of all FedCom all the time.
I kinda wish 3058U had actually done that, rather than just adding in a few FCCW/early jihad references and replacing the Fulcrum's fluff for no reason
Battlebump
>>47565558
>I don't see it making much of a dent in Terra.
The magic of the Dark Age novels, man. Terra was basically defended by one old drunk guy with a bolt-action rifle in the DA fiction. CGL has reversed that as much as they can.
I also believe they've walked back the canon aspect of the Alaric vs Stone battle.
>>47565709
Yep. The Wolves bulked up their numbers on paper by listing what amounts to planetary militia as line forces. Their actual combat troops, the sort of stuff that makes the grade for everyone else's FM lists, is like a third to a half of that. And their proper combat forces are badly beaten down after the battle with the Lyrans and the FWL.
>>47565783
>I'm surprised that's actually stopping their Rasalhague neighbors or the Horses, unless neither of them are particularly interested in Jade Falcon territory.
The Wolves relocated to the FWL/Lyran border in the Dark Age to get away from like 90 years of repeated assreamings from the Falcons, Horses, Bears, and Lyrans.
Utter newb here, does anyone in /btg/ own any of these models?
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/battletech-c-1/miniatures-c-1_3/vehicles-c-1_3_6/20743-mobile-headquarters-p-550.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/battletech-c-1/miniatures-c-1_3/vehicles-c-1_3_6/20308-morningstar-city-command-vehicle-p-551.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/battletech-c-1/miniatures-c-1_3/tanks-c-1_3_5/20751-long-tom-artillery-p-472.html
If so, would it be possible to see some better photos? I am interested in how they look painted, and how big they are.
>>47571621
camospecs.com
>>47571708
This is excellent
>>47569153
There are some mechs, particularly ones licensed to StarCorps to produce, that I'm surprised aren't IS generals. Somehow the Capellans always get them even when their leader is a nutcase.
>>47572336
>even when their leader is a nutcase
Maybe that's the reason. Better to hand 'em over than see the Death Commandos coming in to steal anything that's not bolted down.
>>47571708
>>47571958
Too bad they haven't damn updated in forever. Be nice to see more stuff.
>First time playing BattleTech
>Playing with two friends
>One has a ton of experience with it and DM's for us
>Basically teach as we go type deal
>Once we're done with the mock one we actually try our hand at it
>First attack on one of my friends and I roll a crit on his ammo supply, which was housed in the torso
>>47573285
lol a solid hypothesis
I mean if I had Death Commandos coming after me in their latest mechs, the Coleman PRCH-BX-750K, I'd be afraid too.
>>47573320
You got the "Now You're Playing Battletech!" experience right from the off. One day it's you brewing up your opponent's ride with a first shot ammo crit, the next you fail a 3+ PSR to enter a shallow river, faceplant and breach the head.
>>47573320
BT can get kinda magical like that.
>>47573430
To be fair I made the shot after flailing around in depth 1 water like poorly made automaton baby
>>47569153
>given the choice, I'd have retconned it to give factories for more than a few of those mechs to the dracs and FWL, make those mechs IS general instead of all FedCom all the time.
I've done that with a handful of mechs in my games. I usually try not to stray from the fluff too much but sometimes things just work better.
>>47573483
hm.. those are a tad too many rotaries
>>47573430
>One day it's you brewing up your opponent's ride with a first shot ammo crit, the next you fail a 3+ PSR to enter a shallow river, faceplant and breach the head
AND ONE DAY YOU FEED
ON A TREE FROG
Any pictures of the latest minis? Curious if the Centurion is any good.
>>47573590
I've always felt the Devastator would be a better Drac 'Mech- they were the first to get GRs and they love their PPCs. Swap the Cerberus to the FWL from TR 3058 (I always forget it's a Drac one, the FWL has their own Cerb variant, and at 4/6 it fits in with their fast assault mentality). Nightstr stays FS, Lyrans keep the Thunder Hawk.
Spreads out the dual gauss monsters a lot better.
I also unfuck the Cerberus as follows.
>>47573748
Those are MGs. The Pirahna is hilarious.
>>47573748
>too many rotaries
IMPOSSIBLE!
>>47573845
What about the Capellans?
>>47573848
This makes me wonder, is there any lore about how mechwarriors feel about those who use mechs like the Pirahna, do they hate them because they mass slaughter PBI or look down because they don't fight mechs or no lore about it?
>>47573844
The Russian ones? Sure, let me post some for you...
I'm still waiting for my local post to process my package, which contains a centurion among many others. I'll be posting stage by stage images of those once I get them.
>>47573848
>12 MGs
>in addition some Laser weaponry
the heat/ammo management on that thing don't seem feasible to me
>>47573939
>200 tons
thats not fair play
>>47574003
Pretty sure 'Mechs explictly designed for Infantry are frowned upon by everyone, but they have a purpose.
>>47574041
>not wanting to burn up your MG ammo as fast as you can so you don't KB
>>47574003
I'd imagine the mechwarriors who have had the pleasure of dealing with hordes of grunts with lasers and rocket launchers would feel indifferent or be pleased with slaughter.
On the other hand those who primarily fight other battlemechs and have someone else do the grunt slaughtering for them would feel disdain or contempt for their actions.
Pragmatic ones might feel a pang of regret with the mass slaughter of people considering how easy it is in a battlemech, but would come to realize it's just another facet of war they have to deal with.
>>47573962
They have the Pillager, Stealth Pillagers, and Stealth Marauder IIs.
They're not hurting for dual Gauss platforms the way the FWL and Dracs are.
>>47574003
Not much lore about it. However since the greatest honour is to be won by fighting other 'Mechs 1v1 and the Piranha is made for either pack fighting or slaughtering infantry I think we can come to the obvious conclusions there.
>>47574023
>>47573844
>>47574023
>>47574097
Those aren't new at all, I'm talking about the all-American pewter ones.
>>47574003
I know I would be iffy about the people who ride Gunapults or Vulcans or Firestarters for preference. I think one of the old sourcebooks (maybe a TRO) had a vignette about some Firestarter pilot who really, really likes to light fires and burn people. Or that mercenary/bandit group who practically live for torching shit.
>>47573845
I did similar with some of the 1st gen IS omnis the Dracs made. Never made sense to me that the CapCon and Lyrans get free production to rides like the Avatar but the FWL was solely excluded despite being a technological and economic partner.
>>47574344
The FWL got the Owens and Firestarter. Strider too I think.
But the FedCom (surprise, surprise) got the lot between them.
>>47574555
Right. So I just added the Avatar, Sunder and Blackhawk-KU to their lists.
>>47574555
I actually can't find that they got the Firestarter for production. They did get the Blackjack and Strider.
>>47574796
Blackjack and Owens at Irian Technologies, Irian, Strider and Blackjack at Shiro from Irian (p. 131 HB HM).
I may be misremembering because the FWL got a config for the Firestarter, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned as not just being exported to but also built in the FWL. Either way they have some.
>>47574003
>>47574070
it was a Davion Scarecrow pilot in the 3145 TRO who asked reporters if they'd rather send one hundred soldiers to die or send a mech to do the same job.
>>47574107
http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m579/mccross90/Centurion%20Omni/Image_zpsr9jc16lf.png
I think he means that one. But I don't think it's been released yet.
>>47575320
Uh... hm. am I wrong thinking that it looks like the concept art for a childs toy rather than the avatar of a 50 ton, several meters tall warmachine?
Seriously, it looks like the sort of toy you give your 5-year-old nephew with which he makes "PEW PEW" sounds with.
>>47575389
>implying that ain't battlemechs
>>47575492
Fair enough, I suppose.
>>47575320
Looks like a Dark Age Centurion.
Didn't IWM already make those?
>>47575517
you see, the main difference is only that the pew pew machines are smaller and you number crunch with them to show how superior they are. in the end you just pew pew and say yours are the coolest because colour and faction
Is there a video online of that fundraising game CGL did recently? The one where people could donate money to repair mechs.
>>47575389
>Implying "For fans, by fans" isn't a good idea
It's like you want quality.
hyper rpg has a channel on youtube that has that game, their own battletech show, and updates on the battletech game they are developing for the pc
>>47575389
How is this any worse than all the other stacked cardboard box designs?
The Warhammer has arm cannons in the same configuration, and just as many flat panels and bullet traps.
It isn't perfect, but it's not really any goofier than the alternatives. Granted, the old Centurion has a charm of its own, but it's hardly an impressive or sensible-looking death machine.
>>47577818
The proportions on the one in the album just seem sort of off
>>47577893
I dislike the head, but I'm going to cross my fingers it was done that way so it could be cast properly in pewter and will look better painted up. Centurions are just one of those machines I can't do without, been crossing my fingers for a decent revamp for literally decades.
>>47576879
>Implying "For fans, by fans" isn't a good idea
Path of Exile was made by "Hardcore Diablo Fans".
Their definition of "hardcore" seems to be "grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind"
>>47577818
Aside from the fact that the mini looks barely anything like the art, either the White piece from 3145, or older DA material, the Centurion Omni already had a perfectly serviceable cast that *didn't* look like someone started with the original minis proportions and just slapped on features.
>>47578205
Where? I've never seen another version of it.
>>47578254
Sorry, by cast I meant the plastic mini. It's not a great sculpt, but it's a damn sight better than that mess.
>>47578284
I know scale creep is a thing, but that doesn't even come close to fitting on a normal hexmap.
Why does everyone in this galaxy have such a fetish for inventing stuff that is DIFFERENT but never actually improving anything? Will anyone ever build something that is simply an objective improvement?
>>47578816
A lot of parties are looking for that next big thing. Either to grab it for themselves, or to kill whoever made it so that nobody else can get it.
Comstar pretty much did this for centuries to ensure it's position as galactic verizon wasn't threatened.
>>47578816
Because it would unbalance the game, duh.
>>47578284
There was a plastic one?
>>47578816
Real answer? The game prides itself on allowing you to use (almost) all of your original stats for things, regardless of era. Adding technology upgrades like slimming Ferro Fibrous and Endo Steel crits down, or reducing the weight of weapons, would bloat the game even more than it already is. It's a practical decision, but one that makes everyone in the current fluff look like fucking idiots. If we take the original fluff, where the IS got their shit together with Double Heat Sinks and so on in less than two years, it's just as bad, if not worse. By the late 60s, the IS should have been closing the tech gap better than LFF and HFF and Ecomp. By the 3100s, Clantech proportions should be higher than 10-20% (That tech rating has disappeared in the 3145 FM is hilarious though), yet the IS powers still cannot into mass producing tech they were garage kitting 60 years ao.
>>47579013
Pretty sure that anon means the plastic DA Centurion.
ya guys have Alpha Strike Companion? Can't find it in OP's links (checked both - am I derp?)
Btw, sharingdude#2 - the amount of stuff you have is overwhelming and I'm really thankful for sharing, but the folders&subfolders there are a mess, searching for anything is a pain :-/
Or is there a smart way to use that, some search options etc. of which I am not aware of?
>>47579178
It's in there somewhere.
I downloaded it myself something like 2 months ago.
>>47579070
Ahh, I forget clix miniatures were a thing. Not out of grognard rage or whatever, just lack of familiarity.
I really like the MWO centurion design though. Can't imagine Yen Lo Wang looking like the old design any more after exposure to that.
>>47579204
Apparently, I am a retard. It is in the first one (the better/simplier organized one), just not next to the "normal" Alpha Strike. Thanks for the tip, man.
Going to chance my arm at the Irish nationals even though I havent been playing long. Is there anyone here that is going?
>>47579994
Yeah. I'm not playing in it though.My girlfriend is.
>>47580110
So why aren't you?
>>47580792
I only like playing WoB/Manei Domini and all the cunts I run into these days don't like fighting them.
What exactly happened to any successor state or mercenary unit that defected to the World of Blake that wasn't destroyed?
>>47581059
They were pretty much all destroyed.
WoB really pissed people off, and merc weren't happy about what happened at Outreach. During the Jihad some of the best contracts available were for hunting WoB-aligned mercs.
>>47581059
Vanished or defected back. A decent chunk of the Regulan military was FWL units that had sided with the WoB, then jumped ship back to the Regulans.
>>47581134
In that case, did the Republic of the Sphere repatriate any renegade Great House units left at the end of the conflict or did they fold them into their own armed forces?
Who wants another TtS?
no one
here it is, anyway
http://www.mediafire.com/download/58qc4n2owy2gsb7/E-CAT35SN206_BattleTech_Touring_the_Stars_Promised_Land.pdf
fun fact, it shares the same product code as TtS Bob. CGL fact checking is reaching a new low
>>47581495
I didn't even know they released another one
>>47581278
You'd have to check Jihad Final Reckoning or FM: 3085 for the precise units but the gist is that a very large number of units (including some that were very much "FUCK YEAH MY FACTION BEST, ALL OTHERS SUCK DICKS!") were gifted to the RotS military.
>>47581688
this was the most quiet release I've seen on OF too.
>>47581773
It's pretty funny watching the usual suspects try to defend the BattleShop over there now, there's like four different threads about how shit their service is.
>>47581707
Quality writing
>>47581858
>complaining about writing
>in BattleTech
>a game with shit writing since the start
I bet you think the Wolf's Dragoons are well written or that the Succession Wars make any sense
Dear /btg/;
The Panther 10K.
WHY.
>>47582277
Because
>TRO 3050
>>47582277
Because No Dachis needed to get ERPPCs from somewhere.
>>47582277
>"We have the technology, we can do this"
>>47581495
There are no words.
>>47582277
Our Shilones need more DHS than our Mechs. Fuck off non Samurai type person.
>>47581912
There's definitely levels. Gifting fanatical units is at the bottom.
>>47582519
This is why you never keep any other animal as a pet except dogs.
>>47582277
It works for me. Maybe you need to git gud.
>>47582277
Because fuck you, Dracs.
See also: Jenner-K, Wolf Trap, Grand Dragon-6K, Quickdraw-K, Atlas-K.
>>47582805
You might be joking but my group has had a player who pretty much embodies that. His main factions have been the Smoke Jaguars, Lyrans and Dracs, and his tactics pretty much embody "Jag Harder". With aggressive tactics he's been able to use even shitty Drac mechs to overwhelm and wipe out opponents.
Of course sometimes it goes wrong and he's the one that gets wiped out but it makes for interesting games.
How does I this against the bot thing?
>Moar specifically, how does I get a contract to start a mission or something?
Curious, but was the Draconis Combine mass producing any of the mechs they received from ComStar prior to the War of 3039?
Likewise, did any of that advance ComStar military technology go into their new designs like the Mauler or the Hatamoto-Chi?
>>47583168
No to mass production.
A handful of individual mechs slipped through unmodified, and the endo steel for Hatamotos might have come from ComStar, but no, they mostly didn't get any advanced tech.
How easy is it to learn the rules for Battletech? I got the Box set with pic related on it for 20 bucks and I have a lot of unseen mechs from my dads time playing the game (Notably 5 Warhammers and a Marauder) + a shitload of old books and I was wondering if it would be easy to learn to play with some buddies in an evening.
>>47583342
According to that one chart I've seen posted here (forget its sourcebook origin) the Dracs reintroduced endo-steel in 3035.
>>47583375
You can teach most of it in about half an hour provided you've studied up yourself first.
>Maybe you can get your dad to run you through the basics?
>>47583375
Yeah. It'd be easily something you could learn in an evening, no problem
>>47581495
To be fair, the file name does have the wrong product code, but it is correct (SN207) inside the actual document.
>>47584055
>To be f
Since when do we have any interest in being fair here?
>>47581495
and it's shit too
what a useless series
Which mech would be the best General Lee?
>>47583168
>Curious, but was the Draconis Combine mass producing any of the mechs they received from ComStar prior to the War of 3039?
That's kinda sorta what the Hatamoto Chi is. They got Thugs, liked them and wanted more, so they repurposed a Charger line they had handy, and the HatChi was born.
>>47583342
The original run of 26Ts didn't have endo, the 27Ts would come in the early 3040s.
>>47584372
Like the car or what he'd use in future?
>>47584474
>Like the car
Yup
>>47581495
>CGL gives the FWL a bigotry trait against genetic therapy mirroring the attitude with bionics for no reason
>despite FWL medical science being a big deal and including attempts at cloning and modifications to extend life and reduce aging effects
>and despite literally no motivation for a bias against it like the one that developed with bionics due to Geralk Marik
Sometimes I just wonder about CGL
>>47584570
Honestly I kinda lead to like well, forgive the pun but a stock Charger. It doesn't hit much but it's quick and when it hits it's always got luck on it's side.
>>47584465
>They got Thugs, liked them and wanted more
"Ah, honourable friend. Truly, these Star League-era Thugs are wonders, with their heavy armour and double heat sinks. But we are Japanese, and so we must innovate and improve endlessly. We shall perfect this design by removing its armour and double heat sinks. FOR THE DRAGON!"
>>47584643
The greater the challenge, the greater the honor.
>>47584372
>>47584570
I'm thinking a Thunderbolt. It's always seemed like a muscle car kind of mech, and it has a big flat torso for the flag
>>47584643
Well at least the Hatamoto-Chi is easier to produce than than the Thug.
Not sure any Successor State remembered what a Double Heat Sink was back then, let alone how to produce one.
>>47584847
For the 3030s, sure.
But the upgraded Hatamotos are as ass as the Panthers until the Jihad is in full swing.
>>47584847
>Not sure any Successor State remembered what a Double Heat Sink was back then, let alone how to produce one.
Prototype DHS existed as far back as the 20s
>>47584910
Dracs were the last to master mass-production of the proper DHS.
Even the Capellans beat them to the punch by two years.
And then the Dracs routed them more to ASFs than 'Mechs, for variants that we don't have too many record sheets of and the ones we do have are ridiculously oversinked since pretty much all they do is slap on DHS and call it a day rather than do a full and sensible refit.
What did Dracs use to replace Panthers or do they still run them?
>>47585028
>What did Dracs use to replace Panthers or do they still run them?
They still use lots of them. They've just started producing better variants
>>47582519
Cray resurrected some more old fan-work, I guess. These ARE the same animals that treated an offered chocolate-bar 'lure' like a hardened street-walker regards a handful of Benjamins: "Oh, yeah. Tickle me, baby. Tickle me. For two candy bars, me cuddle you long time."
What made the Clans think for a second that the same Inner Sphere that had spent over 200 years engaged in brutal warfare was going to fight fair and honor traditions such as the Batchall?
Also isn't aren't a lot of the low down and under-handed tactics they encountered in the Inner Sphere the exact same thing the Star League they venerated would have done? I don't exactly recall the SLDF or General Kerensky himself ever issuing any Batchall in his campaigns.
>>47585423
>What made the Clans think for a second that the same Inner Sphere that had spent over 200 years engaged in brutal warfare was going to fight fair and honor traditions such as the Batchall?
Because they've utter, utter pillocks
>Also isn't aren't a lot of the low down and under-handed tactics they encountered in the Inner Sphere the exact same thing the Star League they venerated would have done?
Yes, but they're more about Nicky K than Alex K. Plus, the exodus happened because Kerensky was right fed up with all that total war business, so the clans were rather disinclined to that sort of thing
>>47585247
I saw that mentioned on the OF. What's it originally from?
>>47585423
Batchall was mostly a thing used amongst the clans themselves to keep things from being as insanely destructive as during the SLDF times. I don't think they really expected the IS forces to follow it, but were arrogant enough to entertain the idea when the IS forces actually did due to simple quality being in their favour every time, and offered it out of force of habit more than anything rational.
Well that and saving face, keeps them honourable amongst their piers more than anything else. And that's far more important than just not bothering to issue it.
Kuritans often did try to duel mechs in line with their own honourable conduct philosophy. But, they got Jagged Hard so it didn't really matter.
>>47585423
The Clans had jack in the way of interaction with outsiders until the arrival of the Outbound Light, and deviating from the 'Clan Way' got you Wolverine'd. Since they didn't know how to think outside their own box, they simply assumed that everyone had the same customs and thought-patterns they did. Lots of people project their own thought-patterns and customs onto foreigners, especially in the absence of actual knowledge.
Remember, the Clan leadership system selects for combat skills and luck. Anything resembling smarts is nothing more than a lucky bonus.
>>47585488
"Gemini", one of Cray's world-building exercises from 2006 or so.
>>47585542
>Kuritans often did try to duel mechs in line with their own honourable conduct philosophy. But, they got Jagged Hard so it didn't really matter.
So I take it the Clans did not fear the Samurai?
>>47574003
Run in terror?
Weren't massed MGs a Solaris thing around the time we got the Piranha?
12 MGs is 24 damage with 0 heat and the Piranha is fast enough to put them where they will hurt most.
>>47585423
Game balance.
Because FASA never figured out that gamers are rule lawyering abusive assholes.
Did the whole "Death to Mercenaries" thing ever earn the Wolf's Dragoons enmity with the mercenary community?
I can't imagine anyone who had a lucrative contract going with the Combine would have been pleased by that. Especially if they weren't welcome in or didn't want to work for the other Successor States.
>>47586455
>Did the whole "Death to Mercenaries" thing ever earn the Wolf's Dragoons enmity with the mercenary community?
of course not.
if we're talking realistically, I can see arguments both for and against.
I mean, it isn't really the goon's fault that [fuck, can't remember the first name] Kurita was a proper lunatic, and I suspect a decent number of mercs would get that. but yes, I could see a few former staunchly-loyal kurita-aligned mercs holding a personal grudge. maybe some of them ended up signing on for Wayne Waco's Death Ride a few decades on for that reason
I think that the best way to reconcile this thing would be to have the kuritas demand that all merc units EITHER swear a loyalty oath and become a house units (which the loyal mercs would probably do) or suffer the consequences
>>47586455
>Did the whole "Death to Mercenaries" thing ever earn the Wolf's Dragoons enmity with the mercenary community?
Well, this is /btg/ so expect long screeds about how the Dragoons were totally to blame for something that wasn't their fault, ruined the game forever by existing, and anyone who's not worked up into a frothing rage about them is a furfag who should be tortured to death if they're lucky.
More seriously though the Dracs don't seem to have been big on mercs. The FedSuns and Lyrans were the biggest market, followed by the FWL. The Dracs looked down on mercs to an extent (not as badly as the FRR did though) but accepted them as a necessity. Mostly they preferred to have their own House Regulars do stuff.
>>47586455
I wouldn't think too much so beyond the guys who were so loyal that they may as well have been a house command (and I can't think of any of those for the dracs off the top of my head)
After all, company store shit and other ploys to force mercs into house service were quite common in those days, especially for the dracs. so I suspect that joe merc would look at what happened and thing "so the dracs got dumb and tried that play on some tough guys, and got their asses kicked, so they got butthurt and tried to kill us all" rather than especially blaming the dragoons.
Speaking of infantry vs 'Mechs, I found an old screencap of my Megamek game with a friend.
I was trying to be a sneaky git and infiltrate a small giant robot round the flank to have a look if the side door was open. He was even sneakier and had closed that avenue of approach with a company of infantry to spot for a pair of LRM carriers.
Of course my Locust wandered right into the range of two infantry platoons who open up with everything they have.
This was one of the times Battletech isn't Steel Panthers. After many, many times of seeing "Rifle section assaults tank with satchel charge - TANK DESTROYED" I've been wary of sending any armoured vehicles into forests or towns without infantry support. Now I was trying to be clever and of course it bit me in the arse.
>>47579332
That Dragon really has the "haters gonna hate" walk down.
>>47581495
Hm. The TLDR review: it doesn't suck.
Yes, this still isn't a important planet like the ones this series SHOULD be covering, but we finally get a world that isn't either dead or stuck in the ass end of nowhere. Instead, we get a planet in the Marik-Steiner border, and while the planet itself is a bad place for a battlefield, all those space stations make it a good system for naval actions to take place. Looks like whoever wrote this one actually thought, "gee, what do the players of a WARGAME look for in a planet book?"
So are there any APC units that weigh more than 50 tons? I'm just wondering if I can provide a heavily armored transport for a platoon or more of men or should I just split them into smaller vehicles?
>>47587339
>'m just wondering if I can provide a heavily armored transport for a platoon or more of men or
The Blizzard, Maxim and Mauliter can all carry that many blokes, assuming they aren't battle armor
>>47587339
The Maxim hover transport is bang-on 50 tons and can transport three infantry platoons, plus it is available in any era.
There was a heavy tracked armoured transport in one of the newer TROs (3085?) that could do four platoons, I think.
>>47587339
Shit, meant to say the Maxim can do ONE infantry platoon.
>>47587049
>All right, let's do this!
>Leeeeeeeroy Ronneberg!
At least tell me the Locust stood up the following turn and massacred the infantry.
>>47588016
Stood up, pulled back and managed to kill a couple of infantrymen, and subsequently ate a missile salvo from the LRM carriers. At that point I decided that since my unit was the Legion of Vega, not the Sword of Light, tactical withdrawals were approved and pulled the Locust back.
The fluff says that since the Dracs had a limited ability to manufacture and deploy DHS due to their shit economy they chose to focus on upgrading their ASFs with them rather than their 'Mechs.
Drac ASFs with DHS are conspicuously absent during the Clan Invasion era, they're rarer than 'Mechs with DHS and there are also fewer ASFs by the numbers than there are 'Mechs.
So mostly it was just a "haha fuck you" thing.
>>47586832
>t. Butthurt Goon
>>47589034
>>47585815
which is slightly amusing given that in universe the less honorable claners are notorious for abusing bidding rules in the same way.
Of all the things CGL suck the new art isn't one of them.
>>47590407
I like most of the Shimmyseens a lot, but I'm gonna miss the briefcase and chin turret. Wolvie II will probably be my favorite take on the Wolverine.
>>47590407
Is that a Pixie in the back that I see? Also, damn the new Wolverine looks nice. I've always loved the 'Mech but I also thought the "ammo suitcase and chin ball turret" look was sort of silly.
>>47589034
There are some weird points. Like I recall seeing the Venom was built in response to Drac losses on the Clan front, and then the fluff saying it was built in January 3050.
>>47590177
We need an edit of that with spurdo dressed as a Drac and not a Japanese kamikaze pilot.
>>47590542
>Implying there's a significant amount of difference, as least as far as someone like the Sword of Light is concerned
>>47590559
Attitude-wise sure, but I'd like to see a Drac uniform in it
>>47590542
I put a little Drac insignia on the headband, but I freely confess my shopping skills aren't up to the task for the uniform change. I was even so dishonorabru that I fucking forgot to crop the picture.
>>47590542
And then due to Shiro sounding Japanese but actually being in the FWL, the Dracs have to wait 6+ months just for shipping.
FASA, everybody.
>>47590616
It would be better if /btg/ ran the lore.
Me, you, CampaignAnon, NEA, Muninn and Stormfury
Shimmy can stay on for art
>>47590616
>And then due to Shiro sounding Japanese but actually being in the FWL, the Dracs have to wait 6+ months just for shipping.
Uh, the Shiro is built by LAW on Luthien. You're possibly thinking of the Spider, built by Nimakachi.
>>47590925
The planet, Shiro III.
>>47590925
>>47590949
This. The Venom is built on Shiro III in the FWL, because the Dracs wanted it.
There are other 'Mechs the Dracs had that are built on Japanese-sounding worlds that are in the FedSuns.
>>47591264
>>47590949
>This. The Venom is built on Shiro III in the FWL, because the Dracs wanted it.
Except it isn't. It's built on Tematagi, where the Spider is. The only thing on Shiro III is Irian, who may export to the DC, but does not build the Spider. And Nimakachi has historically exported to the DC, so this isn't shocking news.
>>47591352
Misremembered the location of the plant.
However, Tematagi both sounds Japanese and is in the FWL, which is the point. They put the factory there because they thought it was a Drac world, realised later that it wasn't, and rather than shift the production site to a Drac world put I stuff about the Spider and Venom being exported in bulk to the Dracs from the FWL.
There's similar issues with other Drac mainstays which is why when they did go through and consolidate the info a bunch of factories were placed on Luthien as LAW and other mentions of them elsewhere were dropped, because why would the Drac's enemies be making their shit and exporting it to them?
>>47591430
>why would the Drac's enemies be making their shit and exporting it to them?
Hmm, who could be behind this?
What heavy armor does the FWL make? Besides the Ontos.
>>47591468
They used to make basically everything (Except for super exclusive models, obviously) and export to everyone else. Between the 4th SW and the Wobbie tantrum, you'd be hard pressed to find non-exclusive, non-clan stuff that they don't make.
>>47584984
>And then the Dracs routed them more to ASFs
Allegedly. Somebody remarked that all the Drac ASFs with DHS didn't get stats or even names in the material.
>>47591468
Ontos is the biggest thing they were building in '67 according to HB: HM.
Not so good with the fluff after that but I can't recall them getting their own proper assault tank.
>>47585100
>>47585028
They also started refurbishing a bunch into Wights eventually.
>>47591533
I think all the good heavy/assault tanks count as super exclusives though. At least the ones I'm familiar with as a FedCom player.
>>47591602
There's the Bulwark in the DA, which continues the guntruck nature of the Ontos pretty well.
>a mech is made on a planet in a certain faction
>MUL doesn't list it as available to that faction
>>47591622
"Refurbished" is a bit of a strong word there.
The Wight fluff has them stripping everything except the Endo-Steel frame out and replacing everything else, and that was for the first run only.
Also, Wight a shit because they gave it a Compact Engine that weighs a shit ton and then filled the CT with... nothing. So you sacrifice speed and don't get survivability, which is the whole goddamn point of the Compact Engine in the first place.
>>47591729
>. So you sacrifice speed and don't get survivability, which is the whole goddamn point of the Compact Engine in the first place.
How many Wights and Storm Raiders would it take to stop a regular force?
>>47591937
A regular force of what?
I think 6/9/X is the minimum viable speed for a light after the Helm Revival so I'm not well disposed to the Wight to begin with but combining 5/8 movement with a weapons array topping out at 18 hexes and a CT that's just begging for the Compact Engine to get cored just seems really dumb to me.
Even allowing for the herp Dracs derp factor.
Got a package of mechs from Moscow arrived today, a day earlier than I was expecting. The King Crab looks a little small (though still big), the Locusts are a little big but everything else is looking good (Trebuchet, Crab, Awesome, MadCat, Centurion). Will throw pics up as I get them built with size comparisons same as my last batch.
>>47590407
>Wasting ammo on a downed mech
Why not just step on his fucking cockpit?
>>47592242
How much do they cost? I only have the intro box right now and want to get more.
>>47592253
They're 10 dollars a piece, regardless of size.
Also they just got the Ebon Jag holy shit.
I saw a new player talking about a "Lyran starting kit" in the other thread.
For a rookie starting with the Draconians what's the starting kit?
Besides single heat sinks and metric tons of Panthers.
Some humour is good but I am asking seriously.
>>47592333
'Mech-wise? For the late 3rd and 4th Succession Wars to early Clan invasion, Panthers are always good, as are Dragons, Grand Dragons, Quickdraws, Catapult-K2s, Warhammer-6Ks and -6Rs, Chargers (the shit -1A1 variant in the earlier period), Crusaders and Archer-2Ks. The Dracs are said to be not that into mediums but they also got a good selection, including a good domestic Wolverine (-6K) and the Phoenix Hawk -1K. Also, everyone's got Longbows, Stalkers, Awesomes and Battlemasters and the various bugs.
>>47592275
That looks really sweet.
>>47592333
Then there are the exceptions. For instance, you have salvaged enemy 'Mechs in units low on the honour totem pole, such as Enforcers and Victors (after the DC takes Quentin in the War of 3039). If you want to play the Legion of Vega or the Ghosts, it's perfectly reasonable to put a couple of ex-Davion giant robots on the line.
Then there's the War of 3039, where the DCMS cheats and gets secret support from Comstar, which means you get some nice giant robots from your friendly telephone company: Thugs, Crocketts, Highlanders, Exterminators, etc.
>>47591729
>So you sacrifice speed and don't get survivability, which is the whole goddamn point of the Compact Engine in the first place.
Aren't gyros cheaper than engines?
>>47592275
>>47592467
That's the Ebon Jag I've always wanted the model to be.
Yes, even with actually having hips instead of everything coming out of the shoulders. Same goes for the Nova.
Curious, but how much salvage did the Combine likely walk away from the War of 3039 with?
Also, why is Luthien referred to as "Black Luthien" or "The Kurita Black Pearl" exactly? Is that referencing a geological fact about the planet or something else?
After Tukayyid did the Clans ever use their warships to conduct raids or deep probes into border space with Successor States?
Would such a thing be considered dishonorable or was it just not really thought of by the writers of the time due to the ground-focus of BT?
I'm just curious since I could see the rather large Falcon fleet in 3052 being something the FedCom wouldn't really be able to fend off. Or how difficult it might be for the Combine if the Nova Cats or Smoke Jaguars had decided to blockade Luthien.
>>47595258
It was more that after the Jaguars flattened Turtle Bay from orbit, everyone removed warships from the bids. I can't remember a single warship accompanying a raid between the Red Corsair and the Coventry job, for example.
>>47595098
Because Luthien is one of the most polluted hell holes in the Inner Sphere.
>>47595307
I thought that was only for planetary invasions. Were warships completely reduced to a defensive role?
>>47595307
Jaguars did nothing wrong. Nigger shitter sphere deserves everything it gets. Especially the slant-eyed curry-baboons.
>>47595394
Come on man, let's not go down that path.
>>47595098
>Also, why is Luthien referred to as "Black Luthien" or "The Kurita Black Pearl" exactly?
All of the black samurai.
>>47595320
Really?
Does the Luthien Armor Works have anything to do with that?
>>47595369
They were mostly reserved for the escort role between the IS and the Clan homeworlds in case some other Clan got stroppy and decided to have a go at the convoys.
Also, I remembered wrong: according to the OTP, the Red Corsair had a Congress-class frigate to transport her two Overlords.
>>47595098
because it's a pirate ship
>>47595646
Makes sense. So convoy raiding is a legit clan tactic? Sometimes what they consider honorable warfare can confuse me.
>>47595778
Very legit. Nothing's preventing you from declaring a trial of possession for that jumper transporting 'Mechs from the homeworlds and bidding your warship to do the fighting.
>>47595478
Freebirth scum purging, best day of my life.
>>47595778
Like 90% of clan warfare is raiding. They roll up, declare a "trial of stealing your shit" and get right to it.
>>47596173
This can get to funny levels. I remember a campaign I did in MWRPG where my group (a mech Star) was accidentally dropped hundreds of kilometres away from the actual fight area and had to walk there in their 'Mechs. They had very little to eat, so we challenged a completely unrelated clan for trial of possession for a van full of MREs and bid our best facepuncher to out, unarmed. After the kicking, we resumed marching with a hovervan in tow.
If Clan Wolverine existed in the current times, what advances in Clan technology would they lack?
Were they around long enough to benefit from things like the Elemental or Omni technology?
>>47597008
>if
Hahaha, you don't even Word of Blake
Are combine designs like the Dragons and Hatamotos extremely easy to produce?
It mentioned by the time of the 3039 conflict that the Combine had a substantial number of both.
>>47597191
Cite your sources
>>47598423
>Are combine designs like the Dragons and Hatamotos extremely easy to produce?
Sort of. The dragon line is basically immune to supply disruption and IIRC avoided serious damage during the succession wars, so it's production would be extremely high. The hatamoto was common mostly because the dracs were going balls to the wall hard to build as many as they could
>>47598619
there's evidence they are dead and alive, CGL makes very clear that anything could had happen
>>47598741
Saying there's evidence =/= citing the evidence.
>>47598849
The entire point of Jihad Secrets: Blake Documents is to imply Wolverines became the Word of Blake. It is common knowledge in the community that CGL does not confirm nor deny what happened to them.
>>47598941
>It is common knowledge in the community
Cite this, please. Prove that it is common knowledge.
>>47598972
If you cite any book saying that the Wolverines are dead, of course
>>47598941
>The entire point of Jihad Secrets: Blake Documents is to imply Wolverines became the Word of Blake
You mean the book of y'know, CANON RUMORS?
>>47599048
are you literally retarded or just pretending? did you read what are you quoting? since when "imply" means "literally confirms"?
The entire point is that CGL always mention how "Wolverines may be alive or not"
Interstellar Players
Jihad Secrets
Operation Klondike
First Succession Wars
Betrayal of Ideals
all these books hint some way or another that the Wolverines are alive (or dead. Or alive and dead. Maybe dead, but maybe alive). Until CGL decides to put an end on the story, you can never say they are truly dead.
>>47592917
Yes.
>>47595258
No. Between Turtle Bay and Impetus of War, WarShips may as well not even exist for storytelling purposes. At best they are glorified taxis for heads of state.
In Impetus of War the Northwind Highlanders cripple a WarShip with escape pods, because space Scots.
>>47599458
Isn't it one of those that says much of the Wolverines second line formations and civilian caste escaped in tact which their whereabouts unknown?
Is there even any point to the whole Wolverines thing?
>>47599699
To show that Kerensky's leadership over the Clans was not absolute?
It also makes a nice mystery in the setting, similar to that of the true identity of the Bounty Hunter.
>>47599699
Only that it pissed the Bears off and they're literally the only reason the WoB lost.
>>47595539
Only because it's one of the very many factories covering Luthien.
>>47591702
>Export-only manufacturing is a thing
Why is that a surprise? There's a ton of shit countries make for export and don't use themselves. Look at things like the F-5 Freedom Fighter
>>47600525
>Why is that a surprise?
Because battletech exports make very little sense. There are no real pairs of states with an export relationship where a thing like that would make any sense at all.
>>47600758
Not just that, it's also BT. Almost all of the time every faction is desperate for war material and will take whatever they can get.
>>47602018
>Not just that, it's also BT. Almost all of the time every faction is desperate for war material and will take whatever they can get.
Exactly. That, and aside from a brief period in the late 50s, there are no genuine pairs of allies with unequal enough industrial bases for that sort of relationship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRYuwPpitns
Daily reminder
I just realized that the other two members of the 55 ton trio have primitive models, but not the wolverine
How about a design challenge to make one?
>>47602265
I'm not watching a 1 hour+ video daily, especially not from CGL.
>>47602265
Is that the one where Coleman is like "Yeah, the BattleShop is fucked, lol. We have no intention of fixing it either."
>>47602743
Yep
>>47602743
>yeah, I also stole the battleshop fixing money. I'm not sorry
>>47602265
*sigh*
