Are they the most dickish ''good guys'' in all fiction? And biggest retards as well
>feudal system that even in the setting is considered outdated
>no guns
>some fucking lake whore is their main deity
>>47541016
Bret are not the "good guys". The Empire were the good guys.
>>47541047
If they are not undead or Chaos then they are the good guys.
>>47541016
>>some fucking lake whore is their main deity
Well she buffs knights with superhuman powers, what the fuck have Myrmidia or Ulric even done for them?
>>47541016
>no guns
>some fucking lake whore is their main deity
>not playing worshippers of Maanan
Plebians wish they were with me ruling the seas. Strongest human navy represents. Got a hold full of estalian plunder and coffers full of imperial gold.
>feudal system that even in the setting is considered outdated
6th ed suffered from a combination of "make it grimdark...er", and GW not being able to into numbers as usual.
Note that if they manage to fed their whole family and cattle with only 1/10th of the harvest, Bretonnia must be a fucking Eden. Unless we have socialist knights that redistribute the wealth, but then it's even more retarded.
Also, as a general rule
>Are Y the most X in all fiction?
No.
Unless you're a very intelligent, specialized, and experienced scholar, you have yet to explore the depths of human culture.
>>47541047
The empire is the "main character" but not the only good guy.
>>47541050
this is true, my Orc Warlord was call Gen'ral Boneshitter... he hated undead
More like the pointless "The Perry Bros want to sculpt medieval knights" faction. No one actually likes Bretonnians.
>>47541047
>>47541535
>humans
>good guys
High elves are the good guys in the WHF universe.
That said, Brettonians are more "good" than Imperials.
>>47541610
Imperials have better knights fuck you nigger.
>>47541016
High Elves and Lizardmen are the only good guy factions in Warhammer.
>>47541610
High Elves are so boring that the setting would be improved by their not existing.
>>47541633
>not liking the metal version of Tolkiens elves
>>47541633
t. Malekith Barbossa
>>47541016
>worshipped an elf
Faction tiers:
God tier:
Skaven
Empire
Chaos Dwarfs
Great tier:
Chaos Undivided
O&G
Good tier:
Dark Elves
Vampire Counts
Low tier:
Dwarfs
Tomb Kings
Ogres
Wood Elves
Shit tier:
High Elves
Bretonnia
Lizardmen
Chaos Warriors only
Chaos Daemons only
Beastmen only
>>47541622
Do your knights ride dragons?
Didn't think so.
>>47541682
t. Imperial scum
>>47541694
Lords and heroes ride dragons. Dragon princes and silver helms (high elf knights) ride horses.
>>47541694
No our guy on a gryphon can kick the shit out of all your named characters and their dragons though
>>47541016
>>feudal system that even in the setting is considered outdated
>>no guns
>>some fucking lake whore is their main deity
The reason the top two are still around is because the Peasants in bretonnia are either degenerated inbred sloth creatures or utter morons. They utterly lack the basic human ability of even the most dim witted Imperial and countless attempts of Brets to educate them and discipline them gets them the wonderful Men-at-Arms and Yeomen. People JUST smart enough to stick the pointy end of a Halberd or ride a horse.
Bretonnians are basically a group of mostly sane smart people needed to lead a country of roundy superstitious mongoloids.
You know; like the middle ages. The difference between the Imperial nobility and the Bretonnian Nobility is Imperials treat warfare as a cute little pastime to earn laurels while Brets literally force their children into a life of brutal conquest and warfare.
>>47541627
what's so good about Dino Aztecs nigger?
>>47541756
t. knight
nice try but you should really buy some guns
>>47541765
They are like biological machines programmed for the sole purpose of fighting evil and maintaining balance in the world.
>>47541754
Oh really?
Come to Ulthuan and say that Imperial.
Are you forgetting who brought you civilization and taught you the art of Magic?
>>47541788
>Guns
>In a setting where the only reliable guns are dwarf ones and Longbows and Crossbows dramatically out range them.
Even in Imperial Armies, Crossbows and Longbows > Rifles.
>>47541813
That depends on what you're trying to kill.
>>47541813
According to Warhammer Fantasy wikia crossbowmen are only used if there are no handgunners around and bowmen are also used if there is not enough guns.
So you just pulled it out of your AIDS infested knightly ass fucking faggot.
>>47541841
Bret has more Lances than the Empire has rifles.
Why replace the lances?
>>47541852
Maybe he's talking about on the tabletop, except that handguns have armor piercing, so when your facing down guys fully enclosed in Chaos Armour, its a no-brainer.
>>47541854
Because your knights will often get blended by slow ass infantry blocks which are better engaged at range.
>>47541643
Tolkien elves are the metal version of Tolkien elves
>>47541884
Just like how S4 Armor pen guns with a terrible range will usually not halt those rolling deathstars so plitting from a much higher range is more cost effective with Huntsmen.
Are you seriously going to get super autistic here? Because Brets are a fucking 6th edition rulebook compared to Empire you fucking invalid.
>>47541870
I speak as a Dwarf player, though Quarrellers are usually better because they are cheaper with great-weapons. Though I see little advantage for Handguns in the Empire army either.
More expensive
Anti armor not a problem for Empire
Not as useful as Huntsmen.
>>47541643
What are you implying?
Those guys are pansies in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl1rroJOZzw
>>47541792
>Brought Civilization
>Lizardmen.jpg
>>47541917
You're the one who brought up tabletop, not me.
>>47541893
I don't see them riding dragons or driving chariots that are drawn by white lions.
>>47541930
Yeah, Fingolfin etc. and all that. But come on. High Elves fought Chaos and saved the world and they have badass troops.
>>47541972
.... Actually I didn't.
In fluff Longbows and Crossbows DO outrange handguns.
>>47541643
But Anon, Tolkien's Elves already were Metal. In some cases way, way more Metal than High Elves, actually.
Par for the course for them in earlier ages was basically, being like that. They were incredibly warlike and more or less invented weapons for the purpose of waging vindictive warfare/paranoid self defense.
Fingolfin threw down with Morgoth and crippled him for fucksake.
MORGOTH.
Sure, he got pounded into the mud for doing it, but that was pretty much going to happen anyway. He still managed to seriously maim the source of all evil in creation (however diminished by that point) and the strongest creature at that point in Middle Earth by a country mile.
Also Feanor and his sons. What they did with that oath was deeply stupid, but by many measures, also "Fucking Metal as Fuck".
>>47541980
Dwarfs also fought chaos.
Daily reminder Grimnir sacrificed himself in fighting up on the feet of the chaos gates.
>>47542013
And all that doesn't make High Elves less metal.
>>47541917
Detachment rules singlehandedly make handgunners pretty stronk.
Also napoleonic empire armies absolutely ransack chaos warriors, they're boringly effective
>>47541610
> High Elves
> good guys
You forget, that in WHFB, High Elves are also racist c**** like the Eldar. Maybe, not that strong like the Eldar, but still, they are.
Either way, if you look closely among the factions in WHFB, noone are really the good guys. Maybe, not strong and overshown like in 40K, but still, there is no real good guy.
>>47542678
There is nothing wrong with being racist.
>>47542678
How are high elves racist?
They taught humans magic, they had a few scraps with the dwarves but they buried the hatchet and faught alongside them against armies of greenskins.
High elves saved the world from the forces of Chaos. They are undoubtedly a force for good in the world.
>>47542841
Well, afaik, High Elves FB also have a "superior or masterrace complex", where they think, every other race is a lower being than them. Actually, a few (if not even all) High Elves think, they should rule over every other race.
But usually, they tend to muture such thoughts.
On the other hand, that make Dark Elves a little bit more sympathic, cause they aren't hypocritical like their "good" brothers.
Its nice to see that we are all having a civil, polite discussion in these completely necessary and productive thread.
>>47542678
The empire has plenty of heroic and idealistic people, there's just plenty of assholes too. It's legit like real life rather satire (usually but not always, plenty of satire in WHFB over the years) like 40k where humanity are essentially space Skaven
>>47541016
>good guys
>anything but the itzatecah
>>47541016
Bretonnians' have guns m8. Just have to go far enough back...
>>47541321
>Maanan.
>Not BASED STROMFELS.
Nigga, it's like you want me to feed you to the fuck huge Great white shark of the sea.
This thread is fucking stupid and everyone posting in it is stupid. You're all just butt frazzled that you aren't pussy ravaging European knights in a fantasy setting. Fucking sage.
Guns are for imperial faggots with weak ass gods that don't even show up to every battle. None of the empires greatest foes have guns, and they get a fair share of victories. Absolutely disgusting that people think the bretonnians can't beat the empire without guns, but have no problem when orcs, mauraders and beastmen do it consistently. If anything, bretonnia is best suited to taking out empire armies. A
>reliable air force that can take out artillery and sky borne generals
>army wide magical protection from everything from arrows to canon balls
>no fear of guns
>more magic users with nature oriented powers can summon rain and fuck up black powder armies
The only way the empire is going to win is if the brets don't have the blessing, or if they beat them like men in hand to hand combat
>>47541321
>Unless we have socialist knights that redistribute the wealth, but then it's even more retarded.
This was kind of a thing around 3000 years ago.
>>47542678
my impression is if you aren't Chaos, somehow connected to Chaos (Dark Elves, Undead) or retardedly savage like the Greenskins, you're good guy. You can be shitty to your underclass, racist, xenophobic, or pathetic, but its irrelevant in this setting.
You're really good guy if you fight Chaos a lot, which I believe is a role The Empire fills.
>>47551662
Not-a-history-buff, whom did this?
>>47551726
The Roman grain dole is at least one example.
>>47553232
One form of helping the poor does not a socialist equestor ordo make.
>>47541980
>Yeah, Fingolfin etc. and all that. But come on. High Elves fought Chaos and saved the world and they have badass troops.
>saved the world
The world was destroyed retard.
Meanwhile Fingolfin punched Satan so hard he gave Satan a permanent limp.
>>47553493
>acknowledging the end times
>calling others retards
>>47541016
> in all fiction
guts is like 1000x the dickish good guy these guys are
>>47548132
>bretonnia with bombards and handgonnes
Yes please!
But also: did brettonia have models and rules back in the old olden days?
>>47553538
>Waaaaaaaaaah
Shut up, Nerd
Bretonnia is the best faction of the setting because FUCKING KNIGHTS HOLY SHIT.
Seriously its basically a medieval European power propelled in the setting, with only a few fantasy elements added. And they STILL manage to kick a decent amount of ass.
Empire is great too because they are human (hfy) and they have gunz when everyone else relies heavily on magic and dragons and shit.
Elves are... Meh. Boring as usual.
>perfect looks
>long lifespan
>martial skills
Also >>47551702 got it. There is no "good guys" unique faction.
>>47553781
>it's canon I say
Shut up, nerd
>>47553493
I'm a little out of the loop for fantasy but do people actually acknowledge that the end times happened? I thought it was just a gw meme, like the whole renaming of the imperial guard.
>>47554025
Only AoS fanboys (who may or may not be redshirt themselves) acknowledge the End Times
>>47554025
Yes, generally
>>47541566
I like Bretonnians...
>>47541016
They're not even the most dickish in their own setting.
>>47541050
>implying
>>47541682
>hating ogres ,bretons and dorfs
>>47542678
>having a discussion about which race is better
>well I don't like those guys because they're racist
Fucking lefties.
>>47541047
WHFB has much clearer right/wrong distinctions. even though all factions have dickish sides to them, the "good guys" aren't also genocidal regressive nuts like in 40k.
Empire, High Elves, Dwarfs, Wood Elves, Tomb Kangz, and Lizardmen are the goodguys of WHFB. Bretonnia was the most morally grey, and probably a reason GW decided to give them the axe as Age of Sigmar is very much a good vs evil deal.
>>47542678
High Elves are a lot nicer than Eldar. I don't see High Elves destroying the entire Old World if it saved the life of a single elf. Eldar would legit do that.
>>47554292
Tomb kings and ogres were the morally grey ones - Bretonnia was clear-cut into the forces of order.
How a 1100-era feudal army is meant to compete with a 30 years war-era army of tercio's and artillery I do not know.
>MFW OP is a faggot elves.
Come get me bro. I'm the herald of the lady.
Intercourse thyself.
>>47554370
Each of my glorious knight is worth a thousand blond fags
>>47554411
>>47554370
Why is your ass so green fag elf, did you happen to get fucked by one of our ghost ?
>>47554323
With the blessing of an elfen goddess.
>>47554323
HIGH CHIVALRIC VIOLENCE.and because the empire is between them and most of the baddies.
>>47553964
I don't say. GW does. And it's their setting.
Now stop being a salty muffin.
>>47554312
>I don't see High Elves destroying the entire Old World if it saved the life of a single elf.
>what is the fall of the city of the wolf?
>>47554501
>IT'S CANON, [appeal to authority]
Shut up, nerd
>>47554471
It says a lot when a goddess prefers to bless human lances rather than their own race's.
>>47554541
>it says a lot when a goddess uses stupid humans to do what she wants
FTFY
>>47554500
You are vastly underestimating the role magic plays for those knights.
But what am I saying, probably a bunch of HFY fags.
>>47554533
No you. Learn2fallacy.
And we are not arguing about a subjective thing. This is a statement of objective fact. End Times is the canon and GW is the owners of the IP made it so. You are saying it's not canon is the FEELS fallacy. I just invented it.
Keep the salt coming doe.
>>47554557
>probably a bunch of HFY fags
Nah just shitposting
>>47554541
The Brets served well as meat shields and toys for the Elves.
I have no idea why anyone would want to play such an anti-HFY/cuck faction. The pretty colors?
>>47554323
They don't.
The situation between the Empire and Bretland is the same as with the Imperium and the Tau. If the Empire isn't beset by all sides and within by its enemies, then they would have crushed the Brets ages ago.
>>47554557
Man I love the new Wild Riders, a shame their horns look retarded so I have to reconstruct them so they look like actual elks
>>47554619
Everybody hates the Empire because they're cunts.
>>47554619
>then they would have crushed the Brets ages ago.
then how come brettonia can beat the empire in an open battle?
>>47554640
Brets are tactically as good as the empire, but the latter has much more manpower available.
>>47554640
>then how come Tau can beat the Imperium in an open battle?
Because the Empire/Imperium's armies are divided facing a lot other threats from within and without.
>>47554653
so bretonnia have a numerical advantage in all field battles?
>>47554687
Depends on how much the Empire spares to throw at them.
>>47554566
>And we are not arguing about a subjective thing
Yes, we're arguing whether people acknowledge it or not, not whether GW does.
People can do whatever the fuck they want with what they're given, only retards like you try to force canon when there's no real reason nor desire to.
The IP has also been given to CA and there the end times don't happen in the same way, now what stops people from treating that as canon for their discussions rather than what GW churned out apart from your arbitrary definition of what is canon?
Maybe one day people will eat shit because you say they should, but not today, nerd.
>>47554619
they didn't even conquer the land that became bretonnia in their golden age of expansion, and after that the only time the empire was strong was Between the rule of Magnus and Karl Franz. For most of its history the empire was divided, and it was only recently that the empire had trained wizards at all. The empire during most points of its history would be extremely hard pressed to stop a full bretonnian crusade composed of hundreds of thousands of knights. Fully motivated, the Bretonnian knights crushed the empire of Araby in 2 years. That kind of force directed at the empire would be akin to the ravages of Gorthor, or WAAAAGH Gorbad. Its rather insulting that people can see orcs, goblins or beastmen devastating the empire, but can't see an army of Knights that negate most advantages of black powder doing the same.
And if the empire tried invading bretonnia, it gets even worse for them. Now they have to deal with hordes of peasants on top of the knights defending their homes, and the magic of the land itself.
>>47554687
Imperials are delusional.
They're the most cucked race in WHF yet they somehow think they're hot shit.
Cucked by chaos. Cucked by elves. Cucked by dwarves. Even cucked by their fellow humans. When will the humiliation of the Empire end?
>>47554427
You do know that there's a good chance that Bretonnia is going to get some Wood Elves to fill out their roster when they finally come out, right?
>>47554715
Then my country can utilize my anger to power their electricity needs in all major cities
I just want gorilla warfare with glade guards
>>47554708
>Cucked by chaos.
Held Chaos and protected the world for many centuries. The fluff states that without the Empire, the Eldar races believe that they would be screwed.
>Cucked by dwarves.
An alliance of equals.
>Cucked by elves.
An alliance of equals.
>Even cucked by their fellow humans.
Kislev would have been Chaos wastes 2 without them.
>When will the humiliation of the Empire end?
When the Brets stop being cucks for the Elves.
>>47554732
>equals
Nigga the Empire wouldn't even exist without help from the High Elves and the Dwarves.
Humans would be illeterate meatbags running around in loincloths waiting to be slaughtered by the forces of Chaos.
Show some respect to your elders.
>>47554715
>when they finally come out, right?
GW is not supporting the warhammer world anymore, anon, "the good chance" is lower than it was when the rumor was going around for a decade at that point.
>>47554703
Ah...The moral highground fallacy. I invented this one too!
>Yes, we're arguing whether people acknowledge it or not, not whether GW does.
Nope. WE are arguing about what's canon. I am sick and tired about you guys throwing a tantrum and saying it's not canon BECAUSE IT HURTS YOUR FEELS.
You could have chosen to shut up and let the discussion go as it is but you had to jump in and insult people for mentioning the End Times and then tried to force your feels on us. If you don't accept it, then you could have went on and it wouldn't have bothered you. But you didn't see >>47553538 You couldn't because you are a nerd that should shut up.
>People can do whatever the fuck they want with what they're given, only retards like you try to force canon when there's no real reason nor desire to.
>The IP has also been given to CA and there the end times don't happen in the same way, now what stops people from treating that as canon for their discussions rather than what GW churned out apart from your arbitrary definition of what is canon?
Because it's not canon. Third Party shite. You can choose to acknowledge whatever your want for your shitty headcanon but stop being such a salty nerd who wants to silence people.
>>47541050
Mate, how are the filthy skaven not the bad guys?
>>47554756
>Nigga the Empire wouldn't even exist without help from the High Elves and the Dwarves.
Negative. The Empire was doing fine during the Age of Sigmar as in the age when Sigmar was ruling the Empire. The dwarfs were the guys that needed help. Remember that Sigmar stopped Nagash and the first Everchosen. He even invaded Norsca itself and ravaged the chaotic tribes there.
Empire STRONK.
>>47554756
I think all of them would be fucked if they went their own seperate ways and didn't help each other to be honest.
>>47554756
This. Where the fuck does the HFY bullshit come from? Everything great the humans have ever achieved was thanks to the help of one of the elder races, or the direct intervention of the gods. The tomb KANGZ are the only ones who really achieved most of that on their own, and they still end up getting screwed by Nagash. The dwarfs are not equal, they see man as shit but recognize them as allies. Dwarfs are objectively better at engineering and metal smithing, and won't even share all their secrets with the empire. The elves barely see mankind as better than orcs, and teclis only used the empire wizards as a meat shield against chaos. Warhammer fantasy was definitely not a HFY setting, the only things humans are good as is being adaptable and ambitious.
>>47554775
>it's canon waaaaaaaaah! Why don't you eat the shit I say and let me drink the tears? Waaaah! Is it because of your FEEELS? Waaaah!
Shut up, nerd
I'm not saying it is not canon, but that for the purposes of discussion it can freely not be considered as such and that you are stupid for doing so because it's shit, but keep crying about your muh canon.
>>47554779
Horned rat is chaos god.
>>47554775
Also I like how you say "arbitrary definition of what is canon"
I mean look at that since of entitlement. He thinks the IP belongs to him and not GW. That he is the one that gets to defines what's the official canon or not.
Seriously, dude, you have issues.
>>47554817
>Shut up, nerd
I said you shut up. This whole sorry affair started because you refused to shut up dude to your Nerdrage.
>but that for the purposes of discussion it can freely not be considered as such and that you are stupid for doing so because it's shit, but keep crying about your muh canon.
You don't get to dismiss something out of feels. Again with the FEELS fallacy. You wanted to compare both versions of Elves in both settings but when your Elves were shown to be lacking in the CANON material, you cowardly tried to dismiss it because you got spanked.
Sir, you are a coward.
>>47554815
It doesn't stop high elf maidens to lust after human dicks.
>>47554850
When does this ever happen?
Warhammer isn't one of your chinese cartoons m8.
>>47554815
You
see
>>47554796
Where were the Elves when humanity needed them the most during the Time of Legends? Nowhere.
The Dwarfen and Elven contribution to the Empire were appreciated but the Empire does not stand because of them. The Empire does not rely on them. In fact, it's the opposite as stated in the fluff, the Elder races rely of the Empire to hold back the darkness.
Empire and its affairs decides the fate of the world. A strong Empire means a safe world, a unstable Empire means the opposite.
>>47554824
>He thinks the IP belongs to him and not GW. That he is the one that gets to defines what's the official canon or not.
I'm not defining shit nor talking about what's official or what's not, simply saying that the end times CAN as well be considered not canon for the purpose of discussions because people simply don't want to, don't need to, there's a warhammer fantasy setting running without it and the fact people continue having this kind of discussions about the setting proves this capability
Until some asshat forcing the end times arrive and starts screaming
>muh canon
>you mad
>salty tears
That is
>>47543199
Because they are superior. Every Elf is supernaturally quick, extremely disciplined and they have an inherent disposition towards magic.
>>47554843
I wasn't even the one arguing about the elves, nerd, shut up
>muh canon
>>47554880
>I'm not defining shit nor talking about what's official or what's not, simply saying that the end times CAN as well be considered not canon for the purpose of discussions because people simply don't want to, don't need to, there's a warhammer fantasy setting running without it and the fact people continue having this kind of discussions about the setting proves this capability
No, you want to arbitrarily discard any canon you wish to push your argument. It has nothing to do with anything else but your cowardice.
Unless you are in an echo chamber where people of your cowardly ilk are around, you don't get to decide what can or what cannot be discussion or what can be considered canonical. Dear god the entitlement.
>>47554915
>you don't get to decide what can or what cannot be discussion or what can be considered canonical. Dear god the entitlement.
>but I can
Dear god, the nerd.
>>47541016
>Any version of Warhammer
>Good guys
Pick none
>>47554894
Then you started all of this for no reason because like I said you are a nerd who won't shut up when he is told.
Or wait we already established you are a coward. I wouldn't put lying to be above you. In any case, you saw a guys argument getting torn apart and had to jump in to throw you FEELs into the mix.
And
>Muh headcanon
>I am entitled little princess
>>47554915
>pretentious the post.
>>47554937
>but I can
I didn't. GW did.
Don't regress on me. I said this a short while ago.
>Inb4 MUH FEELS empower me to own the IP
>>47554946
You should get that fixed
This far into 2016 and people still respond to the Slav. Stop shitting up the thread, I'm trying to talk about bretonnians here
>>47554963
Bretonnians are cucks who are not worth the dirt off an Imperial boot.
Serve humanity. Join the Empire.Or be squatted
>>47554980
>>47554951
>I didn't. GW did.
Nope you did:
It was clearly a comparison between [warhammer 40000 (c)] eldar and [warhammer fantasy battles (c)] elves, but you had to threw in [warhammer the end times (c)]
>but muh canon
>>47554980
Do your gods provide blessings for the whole army? Does your founder fight alongside you in the toughest of battles? Do your peasants know it is their place to serve the glorious Knights in return for protection? Does your King have to prove himself worthy by drinking from the Grail? No? Empire sounds like a pretty shit country
>>47555018
Fantastic.
>>47555039
>Empire sounds like a pretty shit country
They even let halflings control a territory.
>>47555018
bit inaccurate
Brets have the strongest human navy in the old world, for whatever reason. Load up all their boats with cannons and shit, too. Evidently they don't give a fuck about dishonor when on the water.
>>47555034
lol
It was a comparison debate between the High Elves and the Elves of LoTR.
No wonder you come off as an idiot. You can't read for shit.
>>47554025
Considering that the Tomb Kings, Bretonnians, and numerous models have been completely squatted, GW is no longer producing rulebooks for WHF, it's dead Jim. Anybody who states otherwise is fucking delusional and hopelessly shoved up the ass of their own fan fiction world. It sucks that WHF got killed, but shoving your fingers into your ears and pretending it didn't happen has zero effect on the face of reality. Those End of Times books still exist, just like C.S. Goto and Matt Ward do.
>>47555053
Well, to be fair the Empire does not hold a lot of coastline.
Still, it makes the brets even more awesome.
>>47554323
Bretonnia actually tends to kick the shit out of the Empire when they clash. It's due to magic basically. Questing Knights and Grail Knights are OP as fuck and all running around with high tier magical blessings that allow them to trash just about anything, including Chaos Warriors.
>>47555093
You have your headcanon doe.
And Brets and Tomb Kings might get an AoS reboot. Tomb Kings were teased in the fluff several times. Mentions of dynasties of Undead Kings leading their organized armies aboard their chariots.
>>47555110
I like to think the king just shunts all the oddball nobles to the coast and lets them do whatever they want.
>>47555120
I don't have any headcanon. The only thing that matters is what is legally canon per IP ownership.
And Bretonnians sure as fuck better show up again. I even had a drawfriend do art of it.
>>47555142
I imagine most Bretonian nobles that serve in the military go full Swashbuckler. I will be very disappointed if they don't swing onto another ship with a rope during boarding actions.
>>47555171
In full plate.
>>47555230
Bretonians actually don't go with Full Plate mostly. It's breastplates and chain.
>>47541050
Even the Vampire Counts had their sympathetic times. When Vlad turned up, all the liberated peasants thought he was great.
>>47555093
You know this is a wargame, right? Not a TV show.
I don't even play Warhammer the game anymore, just use the fluff as it was in 5th/6th edition for other games, because its a good backdrop.
>>47554756
>Brets
>licking the Wood of a Wood Elf
>>47555120
>dynasties of Undead Kings leading their organized armies aboard their chariots
I want to hear mentions of a single skeleton man wrecking shit in Chaos' territory screaming "I DO NOT SERVE, I RULE"
>>47555171
Considering they're based on french corsairs, very probably. The king must give them letters of marque and ignore the outraged cries of foreign ambassadors as long as his coffers are filled to the brim.
Coastal nobles were very different from the rest of the country? They often were very big economically, and very shrewd.
Like Surcouf disguising himself and his crew as english armsmen before attacking galleons.
>>47555053
French navy was always quite powerful. Since brits are Albion/high Elfs geographically, and Estalia and Tilea are mostly merchant navies, there's only the Dutch (Marienburg) and the
>>47554619
It's not.
The Brets are good allies to the Empire, most of the time. The Empire doesn't have the manpower to throw in an occupation of Bretonnia (and has more pressing matters), and the Brets can't take any inch in the Empire because the population would revolt in a second if they did.
>>47555230
Brets don't have full plate, only the Empire does.
>>47556988
>the population would revolt in a second if they did.
19th century nationalism in my 16th century-inspired fantasy wargame? Shocking!
>>47557259
When you are used to be taxed not too much, you kinda resent a regime where the lord takes 9/10th of your shit and STILL draft you up as a bowman.
>>47541980
>And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!’
>She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illumined her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful.
She's not even that powerful compared to some of her relatives in the First Age
>>47554600
Because High Medieval knights are great and knights who fight goblins, evil barbarians and beasts from fairy tales are even more awesome?
The 6th edition lore is utter dogshit
>>47557290
Dunno, they could keep the local rules and taxes at first. Medieval era wasn't really centralized. And Jacqueries usully didn't end well for the revoltees.
Besides, knowing the empire's woods, all the errants knights would go there to exterminate beastmen. Your children's life expectancy just increased dramatically.
>>47543895
Damn thats hi res. I wish I had more WHFB like that
>>47555532
>>47557021
....Except they do? Bretonnians wear full plate armor all the fucking time.
>>47558545
>>47558557
>>47558545
>>47558557
>>47558577
All of them are not full plate by definition. You can see the chain mail.
>>47558686
>implying full plate armor doesn't have maille
Knigga you just went full retard. Full plate armor started in the 14th century.
>>47558882
What I was saying was that there are too many gaps to be considered FULL plate.
>>47557319
In at least some stories, (I'm not even going to begin to try to sort out Tolkien canon) she's as powerful as Feanor.
Who needs full plate when the blessing provides more protection than any mundane suit of armor? When's the last time dwarf crafted full plate stopped a cannon ball?
>>47558882
That is not full plate, its transitional plate.
What the Empire Knights wear is mature full plate.
>>47559190
>Louen Leoncoeur
Louen Coeur-de-Lion.
Coeur-de-Lion, dammit.
Bad frenglish triggers me.
That whore actually shows up to battles and takes an interest in her peoples affairs
All of the imperial gods couldn't be half bothered unless the literal world is at stake. Even Sigmar gets tired of trying to bail your asses all the time.
>>47543895
My scaly skinned brethren
It's important to remember as well that the Lady isn't necessarily the High Elf "revealed" in the End of Times. The Lady and descriptions of her literally changed every fucking time she was mentioned. For all we know had information on Bretonnians continued to have been produced and the End of Times not resulted in WHF's death, fucking Slaanesh could have become the Lady next.
GW had real trouble on deciding what the Lady actually ever was.
>>47559513
It makes some people butthurt, so I will call her an elf.
>>47553940
Lizardmen are the 'true neutral, impartial, OG' Good guys
>>47554756
How about you respect the worlds scaly caretakers and rightful owners, knife ears? The elves have a lot to thank them for, dwarves....not so much, sorry for wrecking the worlds edge mountains!
>>47541016
You don't need cannons and shit when you have magic nigga.
>>47553232
That was to buy votes and not 3k years ago you illiterate cunt
>>47542678
High Elves were literally the only thing holding the world together through self sacrifice for most of WFB's life, the Empire owed it's existence to them. Like the dark elves were super evil so high elves were super good and all GW could do to make them grimderp was make them prideful and arrogant in later years but that isn't surprising if you came from your perfect magical island and found the retarded apes you were trying to protect still flinging their shit at each other. The high elves were just redpilled about the nature of humanity but they still repeatedly saved them from the brink.
>>47543199
If you were a magical, super fast acrobat who lived for a thousand years you would think you were slightly superior to 16th century peasants and a load of hairy manlets that had all their homes stolen by 3ft tall gremlins with pointy sticks too tbqh.
>>47553753
Yeah they had rules in every edition of fantasy though in 4th they were only in the main bestiary.
>>47541321
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Actually, I could see knights taking 90% of the stuff the peasants make only to return it late, as a sign of fealty and the power of the aristocracy.
>>47553232
The Romans were literally as far as they could be from being 'socialists' m8.
>>47560170
>High Elves were literally the only thing holding the world together through self sacrifice for most of WFB's life
>>47554025
>>47554057
People who pretend the end times didn't happen number in the single digits and almost all of them are posting ITT. The end times did happen, there were books and everything and the people who own the IP decided it happened, it's like the people who say they don't believe in homosexuality.
>>47554323
Magic anon, the answer is literally always magic. It's called fantasy.
>>47554703
>try to force canon
You don't base canon on your feelings, it is what it is. I bet you're one of the slaty fags that threw their toys out the pram when disney said all the stupid star wars books weren't canon. I've come up with my own version of how the old world survived and what happened after but I'd have to be Chris-chan levels of deluded (as you seem to be) to call it 'canon', it's literally fan fiction and so is whatever you think happened.
>>47554708
>When will the humiliation of the Empire end?
I'd say it pretty much ended when the entire world and the concept of the Empire was totally destroyed senpai, that seems to be a pretty good place to draw a line.
>>47554817
>Calls people nerds
>Literally genuinely sad and angry about what the company who sold him plastic toy soldiers does with the property they own so throws a child-like fit on fucking 4chan
LMAO at your life bro, thanks for the laughs XD
>>47554880
>about what's official or what's not
That's what canon means dipshit, it literally means what is official. It means it so much that official isn't a comprehensive enough description, the only word that describes it is canon.
>>47560170
this, desu: >>47560362
Also, people retarded enough to start the War of the Beard by humiliating an ambassador, managing to lose their oldest ally in the process, have no lessons to give.
>the Empire owed its existence to them
That's the dwarfs, again.
>>47554775
You are championing the story of one guy over another for the sole reason that your writer works at GW right now.
Protip: companies change staff regularly. Current writers are no more legit than current football players of a team that won the world cup 30 years ago.
>>47542692
Did Naruto teach you that?
>>47560362
The lizardmen held back 90% of the daemon invasion and bought the elves enough time to make the vortex. Which they also helped stabilize. They also kept the daemons at bay during the Great War against chaos, otherwise Magnus wouldn't have achieved shit. And they have armies stationed all over the world fighting threats that the empire doesn't even know about. lizardmen are the true master race of Warhammer. Everything elves and humans think they achieved on their own was secretly guided by the lizards
Hiw the fuck do bretonnian crusades deal with cities? I understand that when hey bring peasants along, there are trebuchet. But what about in those highly mobile crusades where they leave the plebs at home? No wonder they haven't achived shit against the empire, they can only fight on their own terms
>>47568020
shitthatneverhappened.txt
Lizardmen are smelly savages.
Seeker of the Grail, read and become learned:
http://khorne.ru/2nd/wfrp_web/Knights_of_the_Grail.pdf
>>47541610
Somebody here didn't get his daily dose of end times, druchii are the good guys not the corrupt high elves.
>>47568062
I suppose they siege in roughly the same manner sieges happened in medieval times, by taking the surrounding lands and waiting till the hungry burghers inside choose surrender over starvation. When the opposing side sends for a force to break the siege they'd try to engage them on the field in the proper manner. I suppose some forces could also just comet the walls, if they have the damsels and the hurry.
>>47567189
Sasuke did nothing wrong.
>>47554370
>>47554411
>>47554427
Those are some nice knights you have here Bretonnian.
Would be a big shame if something happened to them.
>>47569831
During the Araby crusades they annihilated Copher, the araby equivalent of Marienburg, with hundreds of thousands of Knights. Not sure exactly how they managed to actually damage the buildings and pull down towers. Head canon says that the same magical bullshit that lets knight formations still be effective against pike formations and gunpowder weapons also allows them to damage buildings. I like to think the bretonnians charge right through the walls like fucking MEN, but it's probably more nature oriented shit like vines pulling apart weak spots in the wall or comets being called down or magical rain that weakens the walls of the city. Sometimes they do what they did in that one biblical story and March around the city praying until the walls collapsed.
Baring magical seige, the bretonnians probably would just surround the city, police the surrounding lands and make daily challenges to the weak ass imperial leaders who can't even be bothered to face their superiors in honorable combat. He imperials probably lose a bunch of their greatest heroes who meet the Grail and questing Knights in honorable combat and get utterly destroyed. After a few weeks the peasants and men at arms show up and start making attacks at the walls. Eventually the empire either surrenders, or makes a desperate last push to repel the brets from their city. And once they leave the safety of their walls, they waste most of their time killin useless peasants while the Knights set up for s glorious charge. .
