Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
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The updated Modern Metagame is below.
>>47524016
Understanding Tiers
Modern Nexus metagame stats are prevalence-based numbers reflecting how frequently a deck appears in tournament Top 8s, Top 16s, and Day 2s (as well as MTGO finishers). It does not consider a deck’s Match Win Percentage (MWP) or other “performance-based” metrics. A deck can be an excellent strategy and a strong metagame choice regardless of its tier, although there is certainly a correlation between frequently played decks and high-performing decks.
Sources
Data for each tab is taken from the following sources, broken down by tab:
Metagame – MTGO: All 4-0 and 3-1 decks from all published MTGO dailies on the Wizards website. Includes 5-0 finishes in published Leagues and all published finishes from Premiers, PTQs, etc.
Metagame – Paper: All T8 and T16 events for all paper tournaments, regardless of size, drawn from a range of metagame websites.
Metagame – Major Paper T8: All T8 and T16 finishes from Modern Pro Tour, Grand Prix, and SCG Open events.
Metagame – Major Paper Day 2: All Day 2 metagame statistics for Modern Pro Tour, Grand Prix, and SCG Open events.
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>>47524032
Tier Calculations
Tournament finishes for all decks in the format are tracked in the spreadsheet above. All decks receive 0-3 points in four separate categories, and then receive a total score based on the sum of their points. The decks with the highest points are considered Tier 1. Decks with slightly less points, but still passing a certain dynamic cutoff, are considered Tier 2. Finally, decks in the lowest cutoff bracket are considered Tier 3.
Points are awarded in each category based on a 95% confidence interval for average prevalences and how far outside of that confidence interval a deck’s prevalence falls. This gives us a statistically supported way of determining whether a deck is overperforming or underperforming, in a way that is transparent to all users and more “objective” than just grading decks based on personal preference. As an added bonus, the cutoffs are dynamic based on the current metagame, instead of semi-arbitrary cutoffs that are relics of older metagames no longer applicable today. So in one update, the 95% confidence interval for average prevalence on MTGO might be .95%-1.05%, with a standard deviation of 1.5%. But in another update, that interval might be 1%-1.5% and the standard deviation could be 2%. This higher variance metagame would naturally have different cutoffs than the lower variance one.
Finally, after all decks have been awarded a point total, we take the average of that point total and then set a Tier 1 cutoff at two standard deviations over that average total. Any deck with points that exceed that cutoff is considered Tier 1. Any deck that does not quite meet the Tier 1 cutoff but still meets the dynamic Tier 2 cutoff (typically 1-2 points) is then considered Tier 2. Any deck that has greater than 0 points but less than the Tier 2 cutoff qualifies as Tier 3.
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>>47524047
Here is the system that is used to award points to decks in the four different categories:
MTGO
1 point: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average prevalence
2 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 1stdev prevalence
3 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 2stdev prevalence
Paper
1 point: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average prevalence
2 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 1stdev prevalence
3 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 2stdev prevalence
GP/PT T8/T16
1 point: Prevalence > average weighted showings of T8/T16 decks
2 points: Prevalence > average + 1stdev for weighted showings of T8/T16 decks
3 points: Prevalence > average + 2stdev for weighted showings of T8/T16 decks
GP/PT Day 2
1 point: Prevalence > average prevalence
2 points: Prevalence > average + 1stdev prevalence
3 points: Prevalence > average + 2stdev prevalence
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>Playing?
B/G & U/G Infect
>Brewing?
Nothing at the moment
>Next MTG Purchase?
Verdant Catacombs x4. Can't survive on Windswept Heaths and Wooded Foothills forever. Found a set at $40/piece
I have a problem. Modern is by far the most played format near me, so if I want to play in tournaments regularly I have to play it. The problem is I can't find any modern decks that I enjoy playing. I pretty much exclusively play vintage storm, but I can't find anything like it in modern.
As someone who wants to start playing MTG, What packs do you recommend I get? I ordered 5 booster packs of Khans of Takir for a real good price.
>>47524284
No, nothing will be close to storm but if you like combo you can try, grishoalbrand, Jeskai ascendancy or ad nauseum
>>47524032
>>47524047
>>47524055
This is really not needed. Like at all
>>47524284
Okay, how do you want to win?
1. Hit them in the face
2. Hit them in the face WITH SPELLS
3. 100 to dead in one turn
4. They'll probably concede before I actually win
>>47524435
Fuck off
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-mardu-tokens/
Do you think this would be viable? I might have to trade up for the mana base and use a cheaper version till then
>>47524663
If you want a dumb, synergy based token deck with plenty of removal, I would recommend Abzan Ascendancy Aristocrats.
Been gone from modern since the twin bans, what did I miss (aside from the obvious)? People still memeing about Grixis Control, Knightfall and lantern?
So guys, I'm somewhat of a meme lord and I'm naturally going to build some more memes.
Should I make grishoalbrand or jeskass?
Memes.
>>47524887
Eldrazi came and went, though it still exists despite it no longer being T0. Knightfall is shit, D&T now plays black and eldrazi, Ancestral Vision and Sword of the Meek got unbanned and got memed over but people realised neither's really that good in the current metagame.
first for SPELLWEAVER HELIX
dredge for fun and profit
why the fuck is this banned?
>>47525387
Because its broken. Have you even seen a Grove of the Burnwillows?
>>47525405
>pay 1RR
>opponent takes 1 damage
so we're burning really badly? or is it the ability to pay 1RRR to deal 4 to a creature?
>>47524284
I think the closest thing to legacy/vintage storm in modern is Grishoalbrand. Not as consistent or powerful but it has the same "puzzle" elements as storm decks
Someone should really update that old outdated flowchart of modern decks
>>47525563
Its the ability to repeatedly kill anything your opponent plays. This is legacy level power. This combo is what makes Eternal Garden playable.
>>47525405
Yes, I have. In legacy. I still don't think it's that great. You're paying 1RR and giving your opponent life for a repeatable shock. And it gets btfo by grave hate like a lot of other shit. Or land destruction. I don't think it would actually make that big of an impact in modern.
>>47525405
>>47525387
I was going to bash the idea of unbanning punishing fire but the more I think about it it really wouldn't be THAT broken in modern. Against many tier 1 decks the combo is way too slow to be worth it
>>47525387
I think the real reason that this is still banned is that it would be another tool for Jund.
>>47525327
Please stop. I play memes too but I don't act like this about it. Also deck is awful. Folds to everything
>>47524016
Is there anyway to make Delver semi-viable in the current meta? I've been playing around with USA delver recently and it's been doing meh. It seems like it would be better to just drop the tempo and make it into geist control, which I don't really want to do.
>>47525074
ILLUSION TRIBAL
I SWEAR ITS ONE GOOD ILLUSION AWAY FROMtier 3
I wanna run g/w bears running x4 thalia x4 aether vial and x4 coco. Is this a bad idea?
>>47525652
Delver does not work in modern, period. Even if you completely warp your deck to support him you can't make flipping him consistent enough. And even if you can flip him there is too much removal and no way to protect him to be worth the investment
>>47525731
Vial and Thalia both nonbo with coco. If you want to run coco and thalia you need manadorks and if you need manadorks you shouldnt run vial, if you want to run vial you can't expect to cast coco on turn 5 and shouldn't run coco
What's your super secret tech /tg/?
Mine's pic related inJeskai control
>>47525652
Boremandos delver is ok imo, I think grixis has more power. It has the huge tempo play of tasigur/gurmag, Kcommand is a 3cmc 2for1, and instead of cards like Roast chicken and whatnot you get access to Terminate.
Imo the 4 thoughtscour 4 delveguy route seems a bit gimmicky, I would personally trim some of those, and maybe add a Jace instead.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/421083#online
What's the best turbo blood moon deck?
>>47525649
folds to significantly less than youd think honestly and would be totally playable in a local meta. it folds to gy hate and instant speed artifact removal but the deck has repeatable discard, you just need to play smart and sideboard well
>>47525813
Huh. Greenskin P&K, cool. No flying hurts vs affinity, but an extra token and a much better activated ability is sweet.
>>47525861
Storm with 3 Blood Moons in the side for when your opponent can't beat it.
>>47525647
>repeated removal for X/2 shitters
>modern
no, they just don't want to scare the G/W retards away
I don't think Jund would gain that much from it
at least I don't see where it has the place for it
>>47525848
I used to play grixis, but when every tron and fish deck in my meta mainboarding relics it became frustrating.
I kinda like that goldfish list, though. More midrange-y.
>>47524887
People are still trying to jam Thopter Sword despite it being shit, AV meant a few people desperately tried to make Faeries and Grixis Control things but they didn't work, they're 50/50 decks at best.
Eldrazi came and went, shook up the meta a bit. aside from that there are some new decks that operate like old decks, not much has changed.
In case any judges are around, what's the correct ruling:
In a Lantern mirror neither player can mill (all rocks needled), remove permanents (all hate in the yard, can't recur without Shredder), deal damage (spellbomb exiled) or remove either player's Academy Ruins to prevent decking, can the players agree g1 is a draw and move to post-side games?
>>47526300
the game would go to time and turns and be determined a draw. yes.
rule 104.4i comprehensive rules. in a tournament, players may shake hands and agree to a draw at any time.
>>47525989
What was your list? Big fan of delver.
>>47526360
So you can't skip g1 and play sideboard games out unless either one concedes?
>>47526419
what the fuck? did you read my post?
>>47526432
So you can id a single game and not directly go 0-0-3?
>>47526432
Your post included this:
>the game would go to time and turns
You sounded like you were contradicting yourself.
>>47526394
Grixis or USA?
>>47526494
The grixis list por favor!
>>47526579
I'm doing this from memory, but:
4x Delver of Secrets
3x Snapcaster Mage
2x Young Pyro
4x Gurmag Angler
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Serum Visions
4x Though Scour
3x Git Probe
4x Remand
2x Mana Leak
2x Spell Snare
2x Terminate
3x Kcommand
1x Shadow of a Doubt
4x Scalding Tarn
4x Polluted Delta
2x Steam Vents
1x Watery Grave
1x Blood Crypt
2x Sulfur Falls
2x Islands
1x Mountain
1x Swamp
Something like this. I played around with that shadow of a doubt slot a lot (izzet charm, stubborn denial, 19th land).
>>47526851
And here's my current list, if anyone has any suggestions:
4x Delver of Secrets
3x Geist of St. Traft
3x Young Pyromancer
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Lighting Bolt
3x Lighting Helix
3x Path to Exile
2x Electrolyze
4x Serum Visions
3x Gitaxian Probe
4x Remand
2x Mana Leak
2x Spell Snare
4x Scalding Tarn
4x Flooded Strand
2x Steam Vents
2x Hallowed Fountain
1x Sacred Foundry
2x Seachrome Coast
2x Island
1x Mountain
1x Plains
>>47525861
22 [UNH] Mountain
3 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
2 [SOM] Koth of the Hammer
4 [M15] Chandra, Pyromaster
4 [8E] Ensnaring Bridge
4 [9E] Blood Moon
3 [THS] Magma Jet
4 [CHK] Desperate Ritual
4 [M11] Lightning Bolt
4 [M11] Pyretic Ritual
2 [THS] Anger of the Gods
SB: 3 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
SB: 2 [M11] Pyroclasm
SB: 1 [RTR] Pithing Needle
SB: 4 [M12] Dragon's Claw
SB: 1 [DTK] Roast
SB: 4 [] Vandalblast
Will this work?
>>47526981
Thanks man. Your america delver looks tight. Try cutting the mana leaks maybe? For an izzet charm, and maybe an azorius charm.
You could also cut a remand maybe for either a jeskai charm or a mantis rider, although that's entering spicy territory.
>>47527128
seems worse than skred red
>>47527128
Don't forget chalice of the void for even more turn 1 cheese.
>>47527234
Its more if a Prison deck, prioritizing t1 blood moon over anything else.
Is skred not as shitty as it looks
>>47527128
>no skred
dude
>>47527246
Is chalice worth cutting bolt? I was considering sideboarding it
>>47527266
I haven't played it so I don't really know, but skred doesn't fold if your opponent can beat blood moon or ensnaring bridge
also, you can't really say you're prioritizing t1 blood moon when the only way you can cast it is with a simian spirit guide
honestly all-in prison decks seem pretty shit in modern since there's no good fast mana
>>47527308
Ritual+guide was the plan for t1 moon.
It seems like skred is more about killing creatures, I don't see how it fares better against non-creature decks
>>47524284
There's no modern analog to vintage storm, unfortunately.
However, If you're interested in spell based combo decks, then look into UR storm, Ad Nauseam, or Scapeshift.
>>47527128
so what is your gameplan game 1 against decks that don't scoop to bloodmoon?
>>47525813
A single Inkmoth in Taking Turns.
>>47527384
eh, maybe you're more favored against jund or uwr or something, but honestly I would rather have real cards than rituals and 7 blood moons in my control decks
>>47527428
Drop a bridge and stall or fast planeswalker and race
>>47527462
but there's only 2 koth and chanrda ult doesn't win the game
>>47527448
Turbo moon isn't a control deck. Its aggro prison
>>47527523
Might be worth switching some Chandrae for Koths, but most decks I've seen in modern struggle with one of those lock pieces.
>>47527439
Hmm, that actually sounds pretty dank. I usually go the long route with Beleren if the awakened lands can't get through, although sometimes they might have a blue source untapped so I instead have to dig deep for cryptic/gigadrowse.
I would add one, but I'm a poorfag and the radiant fountains have been putting in decent work anyways.
>awakening the moth
Aw shit man.
>>47527217
Hmm... I kinda like azorius charm. I've tried out izzet charm in the past, and all its modes do good things, but it doesn't do them well enough IMO. I dunno, might drop an electrolyze to try it out.
I like 4 remands. It's an amazing tempo card, it helps keep the agro half of my deck going while keeping cards in my hand for the control half. And it's super good against tron, which is one of my worst game 1 matchups.Plus there is no better feeling than remanding your own spell that's getting counter/drawed by a cryptic. >pic related.
I love mantis rider, but he fails the bolt test super badly, and competes with geist in the CMC 3 slot. I've been thinking about going to 4 geists though.
>>47527563
it's def not an aggro deck cause you can't actually kill your opponent in a reasonable amount of time. It's an all-in prison deck, and prison decks are control decks, you just control what your opponent does by preventing them from casting cards instead of dealing with them after they're cast. There was RW prison deck that top 8d a recent SCG Open, but I don't think it played rituals because you literally never want them after turn 2 and a control deck needs to have live draws.
>>47524335
>As someone who wants to start playing MTG, What packs do you recommend I get?
We recommend that you do not purchase packs at all.
Learn the basics of the game by watching your friends play, and borrowing their decks. Playing casually is the best way to learn the basics.
If your friends play Commander, I recommend buying one of the preconstructed Commander decks from your local game store.
If your friends like drafting, attend their drafts and learn how to construct your own decks.
TLDR do what your friends do. If your friends don't play magic, then neither should you.
>>47527568
It's just there in case someone is an even bigger faggot than me and I somehow can't beat them by either pure damage or mill. It's never actually been relevant, at most it saves me 2 turns.
>>47527637
Prison decks aren't control decks, prison pieces are just disruptive elements.
That being said, that list is a little threat light. I'm trying to build something like legacy Painter or Dragon Stompy, but the fast mana ends up taking up the win con slots.
22 [UNH] Mountain
3 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Koth of the Hammer
4 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Blood Moon
3 Magma Jet
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Pyretic Ritual
2 Anger of the Gods
SB: 3 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 2 Pyroclasm
SB: 4 Dragon's Claw
SB: 2 Chalice of the Void
SB: 4 Vandalblast
>>47527623
True about mantis getting bolted, I really fucking love the card, imo he's rhino-tier, but 3 toughness is the bane of a 3cmc card in a tempo shell. He's a goddamn mantis too, total bros with delver.
4 remand is probably right, its a tempo staple and the cantrip trick is neat as fuck too.
Electrolyze is one of my favorite cards, but having 2 in hand feels average, while having one in hand feels perfect. If you do want to add a jeskai charm, maybe trim an electrolyze?
Mana leak is really great, but the downside is often forgotten about since you either steamroll with delver + counterspells or you don't, but I'd test it without. Izzet charm is exactly how you described it, and imo it's a perfectly designed card. It feels like a leak, kills that Bob after you tapped out for Peezy, and lategame it filters those two pesky lands/snares you drew.
If you can test it online (xmage or cockatrice) try out -2 leak -1 electrolyze and one of each charm. I honestly am not certain on the jeskai charm, but I have a feeling it could befun
Imo instead of 2 manaleaks mainboard you can have specific counters in the sideboard, like a negate/disdainful
>Be at recent convention
>Modern tournament with free entry
>Hop on that shit
>Get there early, watch others pile in for a decent sized event despite being at 11 PM
>One guy is a 5'6" manlet wearing flip flops, a kilt, glasses, and a fedora
>His deck is a rogue brew with no sleeves
In this moment, my perception of reality was broken. People like this actually exist? This guy was a walking meme.
>>47527776
Well good luck with your brew, I don't think it looks that good but /tg/ is shit at magic so that includes me
>>47527699
Honestly if I had the room (edh taking turns when??!!?) it seems nice to smooth out edge cases where the other wincons get snuffed out. Lantern milling your shit with bridge in play, or maybe Nahiri/Emrakul and they have a bunch of ghost quarters for your awakened lands. I like it.
Plus if theres no burn and instead a bunch of infect and combo, the fountains aren't the best. A flying blocker is also pretty relevant vs some of the really fast decks, like affinity or again infect.
Interesting tech, plus a 13/13 moth isn't something you see every day.
>>47527846
why do you think it's called Memedern?
>>47527846
Everyone over 165cm is a walking meme desu.
>Playing?
Zombie Hunt
>Brewing?
Budget Taking Turns
>Next MTG purchase?
Walk the Aeons x4. I only need those and my Time Warps, then I can start on my sideboard.
>>47525813
This was a fun secret tech in Storm when you went in for the game 3 Empty the Warrens.
>>47528161
Taking Turns is already really fucking budget, don't cut down on things and make it weaker than it already is. In fact, if you're playing Taking Turns you should pimp your deck out in the most obnoxious way possible and let everyone know how much of a dickwad you are. Buy the Anthology v2 Jace Beleren and playsets of japanese Kamigawa islands.
>>47528161
Lotta turnsbros itt, I like it.
For your sideboard there's a lot of cool stuff you can run. If 5$ is within budget I recommend a Commandeer. I'd put one in any blue sideboard I can, but it's especially nice in a deck with howling mine effects. It's mostly a meme, but my goodness is it a dank one.
>>47524016
Guys, in order to activate this cards effect would I be able to use 2 black mana or will I have to use a black mana and a wastes mana in order to use it?
>>47528265
All I did was swap the Cryptic commands for vapor snags and anticipates, then mained the Aetherize cards. I plan to upgrade to Cryptics after I finish the sideboard.
>>47528345
Alright, thanks. I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>>47527776
>>47527128
You stole this list from MTGoldfish didn't u? That being said i love free win Red. It looks hilarious.
>>47528265
Fuck speaking of which, I really really wish the kamigawa "legendary island" package was cheaper. The anti choke/boil tech is so fringe but my autism is insatiable and I NEED IT
>>47528161
The bfz tapped-island (forget the name) is some really neat treasure hunt sideboard tech, it's very good vs zoo and creature-based aggro. Pick up some, they're like 5 cents each.
>>47528385
It has to be butthole mana unfortunately. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, you get access to nice buttholedrazi cards and a cheap mana base
>>47528385
1 generic mana and 1 colorless mana
>>47525688
It plays just like worse merfolk though
>>47527266
I play skred all the time and it's actually quite powerful in modern. Really only auto loses to ad nauseum
I submit that this card is better than Pack Rat in mono black control
>>47528882
Illusions do have one very tiny edge in the whole gaining shroud thing, but outside of that, yeah. You really should just play merfolk.
>>47528978
No. This card is terrible. How you gonna attack with a bridge out? He dies to blockers. This sucks. You suck. Pack rat is better
>>47529034
Who said anything about bridge
>>47529049
The only halfway viable mbc list is 8rack. Pox lists are shit so you run bridge
>>47529059
People have been playing black control completely wrong.
Fear not, I am here now and I bring you salvation
FUUUUCKKKKK
just watched the GP LA, i was really pulling for the little bro
i wish he tried to play around hurkyl's recall, he totally could have he had blinkmoth nexus with ravagers
>>47529071
Post list and I will be less aggressive
>>47528488
post a pic of your diamond shaped butthole pls
>>47529095
Ikr, I wish he had played that ravager after the hurkyls instead of the plating. Would he have had the chance to win, or would reeeeejery have tapped it?
>>47525563
B-but if you play it with tainted remedy it becomes stupid busted!
>>47529105
You better sit down cause it's comin at you
But seriously I just threw this together today and I'm liking it
It's not been infrequent to play Mardu Strike Leader on an empty battlefield, his dash gets around Liliana's +1 and it leaves behind tokens
Really underrated card t.b.h.
>>47529159
see im not sure, cuz i realize the kid is probably better than me cuz i thought he shouldve sacced to put counters on inkmoth nexus since he only needed to do like 5 damage, but that play gets blown out by spreading seas and he almost won anyway so idk
>>47528978
>a 3/2 and four 2/1s is better than five 5/5s
Nevermind that you also have to attack with that piece of shit
>>47529426
We may never know.
If he had drawn a galv blast at any time too.
>>47529246
>Gatekeepers, Bobs and Mardu Strike Leader with Drown in Sorrow
Sweet synergy, bro.
Fuck you and your mana base.
>Turn one forest, arbor elf
>Turn two play land, Sprawl for red, untap my land, cast Stone Rain on your first land
>Turn three cast Another Sprawl, cast Goblin Dark-dweller and blow up your second land drop
literally happened last game.
Creature (15)
4x Arbor Elf
4x Birds of Paradise
4x Goblin Dark-Dwellers
1x Obstinate Baloth
1x Stormbreath Dragon
1x Thragtusk
Sorcery (11)
4x Molten Rain
3x Reclaiming Vines
4x Stone Rain
Land (24)
10x Forest
1x Kessig Wolf Run
6x Mountain
1x Raging Ravine
2x Stomping Ground
4x Wooded Foothills
Planeswalker (2)
1x Garruk, Primal Hunter
1x Garruk Wildspeaker
Instant (4)
4x Lightning Bolt
Enchantment (4)
4x Utopia Sprawl
Sideboard (15)
1x Ancient Grudge
3x Anger of the Gods
2x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Obstinate Baloth
2x Pithing Needle
1x Relic of Progenitus
4x Spellskite
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
>>47529527
>not having a mainboard answer to aggro
Everyone's so stupid.
Everyone but ME
>>47529580
i see thrun in so many sideboards but i never see anybody side him in :(
hes my fave
>>47529634
He's only good against counterspell heavy decks, and counterspell heavy decks aren't aplenty.
I might mainboard him in favor of the dragon, desu. Maybe add another Anger to sideboard in his place. It's the one card I need to draw to have game against Elves.
>>47524016
>Playing?
Faeries, Burn, Lands
>Brewing? (more like compiling)
Ad Nauseam, Shardless BUG
>Next purchase
Just purchased today:
To finish up AdN: Pact of Negation, Lotus Bloom, Gemstone Mine
And for my other legacy deck I traded at the LGS some Mana Drains for 4 Goyfs, but I have to buy another Mana Drain to complete my end of the bargain. I don't think the kid realized that Italian MDs aren't worth as much—or Italian from Legends, for that matter.
>>47529580
Reclaiming vines is a worse Bramblecrush.
>>47525861
i don't know the best list, but can tell you what's Not the best
3 Gemstone Caverns
18 Mountain
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Blood Moon
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Kargan Dragonlord
4 Moltensteel Dragon
1 Koth of the Hammer
2 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
2 Wild Guess
2 Magma Jet
1 spellskite
SB: 2 Torpor Orb
SB: 2 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 3 Shattering Spree
SB: 2 Anger of the Gods
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 2 Fortune Thief
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
it's basically neutered all-in red, which is stupid
>>47530524
>Faeries
LIST
>>47530839
3 Island
4 Mutavault
4 Polluted Delta
3 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Sunken Ruins
3 Darkslick Shores
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Watery Grave
1 Swamp
1 Drowned Catacomb
4 Bitterblossom
3 Cryptic Command
2 Spell Snare
2 Mana Leak
2 Disfigure
1 Doom Blade
1 Go for the Throat
1 Murderous Cut
1 Smother
3 Ancestral Vision
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Mistbind Clique
4 Spellstutter Sprite
4 Vendilion Clique
//Sideboard
SB: 2 Damnation
SB: 2 Engineered Explosives
SB: 2 Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
SB: 2 Spreading Seas
SB: 2 Countersquall
SB: 2 Scion of Oona
>>47530966
It's from the one Miyuki KanColle doujin.
What's a good set to draft with friends? Something not over 150 freedom dollars.
>>47531216
Fallen empires
>>47531458
>fun
>>47531571
You didn't ask for fun. If that's the case, apocalypse
>>47528430
Skyline Cascade? I already have three of them. Part of the fun for Turns is that I can run all basic lands without worrying about anything, but I'll probably side in the Cascades just in case.
Is the Nahiri + Emrakul "combo" confirmed good? The Jeskai deck playing it seems to have been gaining in the tier list but I can't tell if it's actually good or just a ton of people playing the new card of the month.
>>47532329
It's confirmed good, but it has downsides. In a kiki chord list I'd run her without emrakul, any piece you find would be equally powerful if you manage to get her ult off, but in jeskai control it's probably worth it. Her power comes not from the abilities themselves necessarily, but from the mana/loyalty/ultcost ratio. Easiest ult I've seen bar none, even Lilly has a slower clock and I've seen quite a few lilly ults.
>>47531736
That's the one. Since you can't really add any cards other than lands to the Hunt deck, I use 4 in the sideboard (what else can you really add to the sb?
Serious tho pls respond)
Bojuka bog is another cool sideboard option.
>>47532573
I thought you were talking about the Turns deck I'm brewing. My bad, I already have them in my Hunt.
You can't really sideboard anything for it; adding anything that isn't a land actively harms the deck and makes it even more inconsistent than it already is.
Has there ever been a successful 4-color deck in Modern? Thinking about brewing Yore-Tiller Control.
>>47532631
Whats your lands like for your Turns deck?
>>47532658
>Yore-Tiller
You would be better off on Ink-Treader or Glint-Eye and just running a Scapeshift deck splashing for super secret tech.
>>47532857
I'm just running 22 islands until I get around to buying Mikokoro. It's mono-u, so no need for duals or fetches. I laugh at the blood moon.
>>47532989
you should run some non-island blue sources to prevent an insta-kill from choke
>>47532989
Ooo Miko is fancy. Nice.
I highly recommend a minimum of 2 radiant fountains. The mana base isn't affected in the slightest and I can't tell you how much even 2 life can muck up Burn's gameplan.
>>47533072
That's one of the reasons I always have mana leak/swan song/remand in hand, but I get your point. I'll add a few other blue sources.
Jeskai gifts ascendancy is the best deck for memedern
>>47533072
Does anyone actually run Choke? Since all competitive Merfolk decks run tons of nonbasics it seems like a waste of SB slot.
>All of my friends and co-workers just play casual where there's no real attention paid to format or legality of cards
>Starting to want to branch out and play with other people at game shops, and Modern is probably the most accessible to me besides standard.
I don't usually post on /tg/ but I have this infect deck that I used to play with and I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on it because it might work for modern with some modifications?
4x Blighted Agent
3x Corpse Cur
2x Ichorclaw Myr
3x Necropede
2x Plague Myr
3x Viral Drake
3x Livewire Lash
4x Corrupted Resolve
3x Mutagenic Growth
4x Distortion Strike
4x Tezzeret's Gambit
2x Corrupted Conscience
2x Inexorable Tide
2x Inkmoth Nexus
20x Island
Sideboard
4x Fuel for the Cause
4x Mana Leak
3x Turn the Tide
4x Unsummon
It's basically just supposed to get livewire lash on blighted agent and then use mutagenic growth(s) and attack but I have no clue what I'm doing.
>>47533505
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-infect-16996#paper
This is what an infect deck looks like in modern.
>>47533505
This is a really poor modern infect deck. You want less creatures and more pump spells. Use >>47533892 's list for reference.
Generally, infect decks have 3-5 turn games, depending on spry you use your pumps.
Don't build infect if you want to play long interactive games of magic. Generally, the games are decided by whether or not the opponent has enough removal for your creatures and are decided quickly.
>>47533505
Add another muta, it's great
I personally don't like 4 Resolve, maybe keep 2, and I think gambit and conscious should be 1 ofs. Tides can go too imo. Cut a cur, 2 is an okay number.
Add 4 Unstable Mutation, 2 equipment like Machete or something, 1 Piracy charm and more ichor myr. You could even go 0 counterspells and 1 cur optimally.
>>47527668
>If your friends don't play magic, then neither should you.
thats nonsense. I bought magic cards when none of my friends were into the game and I got like 15 of them into it
>>47524335
first you should learn how to play. downloard mtg duels, its free and it has a tutorial. after you have the basics down start watching people play the different formats (standard, modern, commander, etc) so you can pick which one you like the most. then choose a deck you want to play and buy the cards you need for your deck.
if you want to crack packs then go ahead, it is fun but you will most likely not make the money spent back. packs should only be opened because you are drafting.
To the Anon posting about the Aura cheese with Eldrazi Conscription, add Bruna Light of Alabaster, Sovereigns of Lost Alara and Arcanum Wings.
>>47533505
Bonesplitter or Runepike is good
>>47530949
How well do you do with the deck?
I would like to get into modern but only to play with friends, and so I don't want to build a really expensive deck
Is there a good list somewhere of cheap but decent decks?
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth -- Kozilek, The Great Distortion
Ulamog, The Infinite Gyre -- Ulamog, The Ceaseless Hunger
Emrakul, The Aeons Torn -- ???
>>47534527
Seering Void or something edgy like that.
We need a new Emrakul, I'm getting sick of seeing the old one.
>>47534482
>I would like to get into modern
>but only to play with friends
>and so I don't want to build a really expensive deck
There is one perfect solution for you and your friends: look online for decks you guys find cool and possibly fun, and then print them whole. This will save you hundreds, if not thousands of potential spendings and you will get to test the Modern field a bit.
I do recommend you look at SOME the Tier 1 and Tier 2 decks (look at the OP) for you guys to print a nice gauntlet of decks. If you want lists for decks, I suggest you go to mtggoldfish and search for the modern metagame. For printing purposes, try magiccards.info.
TLDR Print decks if you aren't playing sanctioned. Find the deck you like the most and maybe buy into it later. No needs to rush things now.
>>47534527
Emrakul,Herald of Bolas
>>47534527
Emrakul, The Historic Genocide
>>47534527
Emrakul, father of machines.
I fully expect MM3 mythics to be bullshit next time. You know, the cards we need, but have a high price tag and aren't justified mythics in the limited format.
>W - Serra Ascendant
>W - unplayable
>U - Snapcaster Mage
>U - Ancestral Vision
>B - Liliana of the Veil
>B - Damnation
>R - Goblin Guide
>R - unplayable
>G - Tarmogoyf
>G - Scapeshift
>M - Ajani Vengeant
>M - unplayable
>A - Steel Overseer
>A - Crucible of Worlds
>L - Cavern of Souls
I'll screencap my post and show it again when the time is right.
>>47534898
That's too much value. Remove Damnation and Tarmogoyf.
>>47534898
>still no Grove of The Burnwillows
>>47531216
I think lorwynn morningtide was pretty dope. I'm not even a tribal guy, I just think the set had a lot of fun cards
>>47534917
Goyf has to be there for the chase, you would remove more of the 20-50 cards.
>>47534898
>only 1 unplayable R rare
>not all of them
You fool.
>>47534623
Now I'm imagining Emrakul tooting on a bunch of horns as Nico Bolas enters stage left.
>>47534947
Liliana will take the Tarmogoyf role by MM3.
>>47534898
I'm ready for rare Inquisition of Kozilek and rare Kitchen Finks.
>>47534958
But Lili sucks
Is Magic Online worthwhile or just a meme?
>>47535240
Just play Xmage. It's not as fancy but it's free, and automates everything just like Magic Online does.
>>47534527
Emrakul, theSpooky Moon.
>>47534038
Sure, if you're ten years old it works.
What are the best mono-black zombie cards in modern? Is there a way to run monoB zombies? I have a partial list that can get crazy but takes bare minimum an extra turn to go off compared to fish.
>>47535577
Zombies don't work at the moment.
Wait for Eldritch Moon
>>47532658
Apparently there is a 4c tron deck, and im currently running whiteless (glint eye) for that meme spellweaver deck
This is an intentionally dumb question, but any packaged things worth buying, recently? Boxes, structures, whatever?
Are eldrazi still a thing or does it need that one card they banned from it?
>>47536795
It can still function, it's just forced to actually play Magic: The Gathering now.
>>47535111
>>47534958
>People legitimately believe LoTV will be reprinted in Eldritch Moon
>People legitimately believe she won't be a $150+ card by the end of summer
/tg/ pls. Wizards has actively hinted in official content releases that people wanting her reprint are gonna get dicked.
>>47536809
>Wizards legitimately believe people won't just turn to counterfeits
I know plenty of retards won't, but anyone with half a brain will.
>>47536051
Are you a third spell weaver or the first guy
>>47536205
Is buying lottery tickets worth it?
>>47536809
She will be reprinted. In the new "Legendary Rare" rarity, which has a 30% chance of showing up once in an entire box and will only be used for epic-feeling and flavorful spells, definitely not the most powerful cards in Magic.
>>47536806
Awesome. I don't like not playing magic.
>>47524032
Fucking tier mumbo jumbo shit, that doesn't mean anything.
Your tier 3 deck win a tournament, if it just happens to be adjusted to meta.
>>47536205
If it's worth buying, it's not on the shop shelf.
>>47537038
>durr tiers dun mean nuthin!!11
And this is why you'll stay shit forever, because you can't comprehend the reality that some decks are stronger than others.
Is there a good monoblack deck in Modern, or even a Mostly black deck?
As a noob it was my favorite color and now I literally only play Naya colors
>>47537354
>Is there a good monoblack deck in Modern
No.
>>47537354
Yes check out the list I posted earlier in the thread, I'll make B control great again
>>47533505
>Inexorable Tide
Anon what are you doing? No, stop.
>>47537354
8rack is black.
>>47537354
No, not at all.
>>47537468
He asked for a good deck.
>>47527128
Take off those hideous rituals, side in 4 skred and boros reckoner
>>47537354
Monoblack will never be viable because they don't have enough enchantment removal.
>>47537497
Any*
>>47534527
Emrakul, The Last Airbender
>>47537497
What are relevant enchantments besides Leyline of Sanctity you want/need to remove in Modern as monoB (so obviously Blood Moon is out of the count)? Ratchet bomb is a colorless catch-all.
>>47534369
Very well, except g1 against affinity. Afterwards, Assuming I draw any 1 of my six SB cards (EE, Damnation, and H Recall), everything gets a lot more even.
Against everything else I'd say my matchups are pretty fair.
The Scions of OOna are currently in the SB experimental slot. I usually have them as Spellskites.
>>47537976
>Against everything else I'd say my matchups are pretty fair
What the hell do you play against, 59 forests and lost in the wods?
>>47537818
Jund, Jund, CoCo Elves, Melira Company, 8Rack, Tron, Boggles, Storm, Burn, Burn, Affinity, Infect, D&T, UR Delver, and some weird dredge deck.
It's a nicely varied Meta.
Although I do have to say the MU against Merfolk is bad.
>>47537818
There aren't that many, Leyline of Sanctity is extremely annoying though and it's always nice to have the option in case you run into any memes.
I don't know how black isn't allowed enchantment/artifact removal in 2016 when every other color had its rules broken or bent
>>47537976
Nice, I've always wanted to try faries, but felt the deck wasn't good enough.
>>47536820
>plenty of retards won't
Why buy cards that won't increase in value if I don't have to?
>Playing?
Naya burn
>Brewing?
Titan Shift
>Next MTG Purchase
2x promo valakut and 4x search for tomorrow for $15 from a friend. I think that is good price.
Hopefully Titanshift will stick around I like the deck a lot but it is recent and slightly different compared to the old scapeshift. But it seems solid
I want an inked playmat, anyone from Melbourne,Victoria want to order and share shipping costs when they go on sale again? I'm a cheapskate faggot. Also rate my shit taste. I know it's going to be fuzzy but it's my favourite artist.
Hey guys I'm new to the game, i just bought 40 off brand booster packs from the dollar store and im learning how to play but i have some questions
25 lands for a 60 card deck yes?
Or should i play with 40 to start?
What should be my deck ratio?
I tried 25 lands 20 monsters 15 instant etc
What type(s) best lends itself to beginners for a single type deck?
Eldritch Moon spoilers when
>>47538923
It has been solid for a while, but be aware that you instalose to hard counterspells. Like Cryptic and Pact. Other than that you are good to go.
>>47534527
Emrakul, the Eldritch Moon, obviously
>>47539017
60 is the minimum card limit for constructed decks.
Depends on play style and mana curve of your deck. Are you playing an aggressive deck with cheap creatures? 21 lands will do. Are you playing a slow deck that relies on big spells? 25 is more correct.
For beginners, aggressive decks in red, white and green tend to be the easiest to pilot. It takes experience to be a blue mage. Black is fine to combine with any other color.
>>47539017
One thing to keep in mind is format legality. If you plan to play with randoms then they likely have decks made for specific formats which means that some cards you have may not be legal. Make sure if you are playing with randoms they're okay with a "casual game" which is generally what people call it when they ignore set legality.
Out of curiosity what packs did you purchase?
>>47538923
post naya burn list
playing modern on xmage.
>>47539678
It's a freaking Burn list. Everyone knows what goes in a burn list, and there's only a list of 6 or so cards that go into the 6 or so flex slots. Hell, my girlfriend exclusively plays commander and SHE can rattle off a burn list.
>>47539750
i play burn, i just have an interest in what his list differences are.
>>47539684
Wow. Subscribed.
>>47539933
it's meant to be an invitation
subscribed back, enjoy my channel
>>47540052
I'd like to ask you something.
Are you getting an overwhelming amount of UR/Grixis control opponents or is it just me?
I swear those are 60% of my matches on Xmage
>>47540228
Not him but all I get when I play are uw meme Lords
>>47540228
been playing random stuff
some guy playing vampires, another a doran deck then merfolk and even a burn mirror match (his deck was jund though)
>>47540239
>>47540273
How am I meant to know if my shitty brew is any good when everyone is playing shitty brews
>>47540304
Lol right?
>>47540304
what shitty brew are you playing
ill play you with my burn deck
>>47540312
I'm at work right now, I'll play you in a couple of hours if you're still around
>>47540312
5c dragons with mill
>>47540360
ja feel, my nicknames roillz, make a post later and i'll join
>>47538403
we will probably have to wait until we return to new phyrexia so we can get a green enchantment removal a la Dismember
>>47538733
Value means nothing if you never sell.
>>47524032
>tfw BW tokens not even on your list
Anyone got a list for goblins?
Is pauper or modern at a higher power level?
What about pauper no ban list?
Reminder things like artifact lands are legal in pauper
>>47541151
I'm not sure what you're asking here. If you mean which format produces stronger decks, then Modern does by a long shot. While Pauper has certain cards that are illegal in other formats, it lacks access to the cards that can truly abuse those.
>What about pauper no ban list?
Same as the above.
>>47541206
idk if it is as easy answer as that
Affinity or infect especially no ban list could be very nasty from pauper.
>>47541206
I wouldn't necessarily say that's true, though. Several pauper decks can keep up with modern ones. Pauper Burn, for example, is just as fast as it's Modern counterpart. Pauper Delver lists are quite strong. Tron lists look mostly the same, just different threats.
Really, they're just different formats, but you can take tier 1 lists from each and put them up against each other. Chances are they'll have the same matchup percents as their counterparts.
>>47541151
artifact lands are broken because of Ravager and Plating, neither of which are in Pauper. Pauper has access to cards that are normally extremely powerful in other formats, but in pauper they are just fair. Brainstorm is a good example. Without fetches Brainstorm is just mediocre. Gush, without brainstorm and fetches, is fair as well. Daze, while powerful, works best with cards like wasteland or other forms of mana denial.
>>47541505
but no ban list has plating
>>47541608
And no ban list Modern has artifact lands. What's your point?
>>47541608
>but this fake format has X thing
Please leave, thanks.
>>47536903
the first guy
>>47541752
also someone play my meme brew on xmage
I'm 36/14 with this build. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-05-16-enchanting/
It's been a lot of fun playing defensive in Modern, since every deck is aggressively mining out a wincon somehow and I don't plan on winning till turn 7 at the absolute earliest. My games frequently end in scoops from me drawing four cards to your one every turn. I really like the idea of being so well protected your enemy is forced to walk away lol
>>47541861
it's so durdly. folds to combo. i guess it could be okay in an aggro meta without infect or affinity. probably also folds to anything noncreature like lantern control, 8rack, etc.
>>47541645
Just read the original question dammit.
>>47542083
No. Modern is still at a higher power level than no banlist pauper because many of the cards legal in pauper still lack the interactions that make them powerful.
Modern Affinity would still be stronger than No banlist Pauper Affinity. You lack Ravager, Master, Overseer, Opal, Nexuses, everything else that make the deck tick. Your only business spells are atog and plating. Artifact lands are not enough to make up the difference in power level.
Let's talk about Grixis "wannabeJund" Control.
Basically a midrange deck that runs blue cards and two mana leaks and pretend to be control.
Why don't go full jundish?
I think the real problem is the beatdowns.
Jund distrupt your hand and beats with tarmo, that's the efficiency. Also decays and terminates take care of treats on board.
Grixis is trying to do the same, the problem is the lack of a "blue goyf"
The solution, imho, can be Thing in the Ice.
It is a Tarmo that "grows" (lose counters) woyh every IoK/Tseize and Bolt you play. It can be potentially the blue goyf.
This is what I came out with:
3 Iok
2 Tseize
1 Rise//fall
1 Slaughter pact
2 Dreadbore
2 Terminate
2 Kolaghan's
4 Bolt
4 Serum
2 Snare
2 Mana Leak
1 Thought Scour
1 Painful Truths
4 Thing in the ice
2 Tasigur
3 Snapcaster
1 Kalitas
1 Goblin dark dwellers
What do you think?
>>47542275
You have a black goyf that gives you card advantage every turn. It basically a bob+goyf. No need for blue goyf.
>>47542336
Tasigur is good but it's Legendary and a second one is not a goos draw. Also need to self mill to cast it on turn two (and the combination of thought scour and Tasigur is needed to do so)
>>47542584
w/e, you can also run Gurmag. If you're gonna run titi i feel like you should run more snaps for that sweet value.
>>47542652
Yeah run Gurmag so it gets bounced when Thing flips and you can't cast it again cause you delved all your cards away
>>47543008
The same argument applies to Tasigur. Also Titi has been played in a Grixis control shell before. It's nothing groundbreaking. And comparing Titi to goyf is moronic. Goyf beats in the turn after it comes down, the same is not always true for Titi. If you want a goyf but don't want to get into green play tasigur and gurmag.
Is the banlist pretty much perfect right now? Every card belongs on it and there are no stand out candidates for a new banning.
>>47543193
>Is the banlist pretty much perfect right now?
No, my bae Summer Bloom is still banned. You could also argue for BBE and Jace.
>>47543193
>memers still happy with the "dis shit played 2 much" splinter twin ban
>>47543193
I think punishing fire and mental misstep should be unbanned.
>>47543271
Mental Misstep being unbanned would absolutely body Infect. It would also be a huge problem for decks that need to IoK/Seize/Duress shit out of your hand to be effective. Red Deck Wins and Burn would probs be madder than a mufugga too.
>>47543271
Punishing fire would be extremely good, but only in certain archetypes (Jund).
Misstep would go in every deck until 1 drops were no longer viable.
>>47543271
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>47543193
There are a couple of cards that could probably be unbanned.
>>47543255
This format has become a meme. We can pretend it's not, but deep down we all know.
>>47543303
Can't wait for
T1 Thoughtseize
>Mental Misstep
>Black player Mental Missteps the Mental Misstep
Lose 4 life and realise he has two Mental Missteps for backup.
>>47543357
Which ones are you thinking of? BBE? That card is probably fine, but WOTC won't unban it because it would boost Jund which is doing just fine.
>>47543255
>"dis shit played 2 much"
that's literally every ban in Modern ever
The only way to fix modern is to destroy standard with Newer Phyrexia.
Would Mental Misstep be okay if it didn't cost phyrexian mana?
