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In the last bread we learned that some classic Forge World stuff is now on last chance, we discussed how we would do traitors from the loyalists legions, how we'd do loyalists from the traitors legions, one 1k Son Anon posted his troubles with red paint, an Iron Circle version of 500 miles was made, we talked about Destroyers and much more in the previous bread >>47470491
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>>47510507
mfw you leave your legion for a while and stuff goes to hell and suddenly your dad is a daemon
>>47510577
I wonder if he was angrier than his Nailed brothers.
>>47510638
If he was as angry as he is good looking, then yes.
>>47510728
Now that I think about his fluff said his anger at the World Eaters's betrayal drove him to a cold madness. So you're probably correct.
>>47510728
I'd say he's mad. Get it?
>inb4 Admirable but mistaken
Played a practice game today with my 1850 points of Imperial Fists against my friend's aspect host Eldar. things I learned: don't skimp on armored Ceramite...or a squad of fire dragons will use a webway portal and fuck your Land Raider up. Also Sigismund is more durable than a Land Raider and can tank a ton of rending wounds.
I put the image as a spoiler because my guys are unpainted (just finished building yesterday) and I don't wanna offend people.
>>47510830
Siggy has his zealous crusader's spirit to empower him. The land raider needs to rethink its life choices now.
>>47510830
I like the amount of dudesmen.
All those muhreens probably intimidate at first sight.
>>47510874
I wish Siggy could move at cruising speed and act as an assault vehicle. Then he'd be perfect.
>>47510900
I ended up making an armored column with a Land Raider and 2 Rhinos down the roadway, most of the enemy was in reserves so at least I looked awesome while getting rekt.
>>47510943
>I wish Siggy could move at cruising speed and act as an assault vehicle. Then he'd be perfect.
Maybe if the stars are right, he'll be buffed in that way.
>>47510900
Pic related. My dudes will do a lot better once they're yellow.
>>47510830
>allying DE to use the webway portal
So much for him playing a "fluffy" list...
>>47510986
Yup, paint dem spess men.
>>47511083
I asked him to not bring any wraith units, so instead he brought scatterbikes, fire dragons, and a bunch of deep striking dark eldar. next time I told him to bring his chaos space marines...I feel like the point of Sigismund + Friends is to get into melee, but battle focus, jetbikes, and warp spiders mean I'll never get there.
>>47511083
Hey, the Imperial Fists legion is a large and dangerous enough threat to force the Eldar of the Craftworlds and of Commoragh to fight alongside each other in the face of certain annihilation.
>>47510830
>and I don't wanna offend people.
Too late.
>>47510507
My quest for perfect candy red will continue. Once I get some clear orange and Angron red.
>>47511083
They hadn't split much just after the Fall so they could have shared technologies.
>>47511160
>I asked him to not bring any wraith units, so instead he brought scatterbikes, fire dragons, and a bunch of deep striking dark eldar.
>yfw that's Eldar enough to bring the psychic fuana of Marania 3 to the surface to stare in disdain at the tomfoolery
>>47511160
>>47511219
>Expecting the Eldar let themselves be caught in melee instead of pulling some treacherous trick on you
Never trust a xenos' word, anon. That's one of the reasons for our xenophobic crusade.
Suffer not the alien to live, Emprah's champion.
>>47511242
Even psychic sharks hate Eldar. Never trust an Elf.
>>47511280
Unleash the spirit of the shark upon them, anon. For the Sharktime.
>>47511186
It's safe to assume that the Eldar player barely knows what 30k is and just wanted to stomp his friend while pretending he wasn't picking the most OP units.
best primarch coming through inb4 mad smurfweenie babies
>>47511677
Only manlets NEED to do pacts with chaos in order to become viable.
>>47511677
>WS 6
Sure ok.
>>47511469
Oh I'll unleash them all.
>>47511749
>Tiny
We never bothered training Sharkversors because the costs were too damn high.
So is the only way to get rad missiles to use destroyer squads? There's no right of war (death guard maybe) that unlocks them elsewhere? Had a look down the 1d4chan tactica, didn't spot anything, but thought it was worth asking just in case.
>>47511848
>>47511876
Okey dokey.
>>47511832
Unless you can somehow get it to survive out of water Sharkversors are nothing but a dream. Swarms of tiny ghost sharks? No those aren't a dream.
>>47510507
Luna Wolves FW support when?
>>47511986
Probably around the time they release Book 1of the Great Crusade game.
>>47511876
>>47511848
Important to note that it seems many armies are losing their access to Rad-Missiles w/ lightning strike fighters, such as Mechanicum and iirc Solar Auxilia (Imp Militia lack them entirely).
>>47511677
Dubs confirm Word Bearers best legion
Ultrasmurfs btfo
>>47511219
>>47511280
>>47511469
>>47511749
>>47511832
>>47511935
BEHOLD, A SCIENCE!
>>47512065
True. LACAL has been a little outdated since HH4, owing to Forgeworld still not really knowing for sure what they wanted 30k to be at that time (remember back on HH1 where the Reductor were going to be merely LoW options for the legiones astartes?).
As such, we'll have to wait for LACAL...2nd Edition, which I hope will solve stuff like 6E prices (40k dreads get cheaper lascannons. Cheaper everything, really), balance issues (Boxnoughts are obsolete), as well as put it in line with the future IA/SA redbook (48" laser destroyer)
I thought AdMech would bring all the rad, though.
>>47512147
SCIENCE HAS GONE WAY TOO FUCKING FAR
>Daily life in Mariana III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voLy3ukXYXc
>>47512147
Uni, I love you. No homo. This is beautiful.
>>47512207
Actually given how desperate some Cogboys got during the Heresy, and destroyed STCs because the Emperor said do if there's no other way to keep it out of Horus's hands this is perfect desperate measures.
>>47512207
Implacable advance Heavy support squads would be nice.
Unfortunately the recent Imperial-Army book was pretty lazy apparently - nothing changing for Solar Auxilia, the knights getting the gallant and warden and the Imp-militia Quad-mortar now only having Frag - they didnt even add new provenances or alternative Tercio units etc.
So its fairly likely all we'll see are the non-legion specific units released since, the changes in the erratas and not much else.
>>47512111
First Dubs and now Trips. Anon is chosen by the gods?
>>47512500
By the dark gods? Of course.
>>47512385
IIRC they've already said they're aware of the problems with assault squads and breachers and are going to change them.
Does anyone know if the War-born's (Ultramarines before they met their Primarch) colours and heraldry were ever described? I had an idea for some Blackshields, and I was thinking of basing them off of War-born because I rather liked their fluff.
>>47511700
>>47511734
>>47512873
"their core Legion livery -which maintained
the post-Unification storm grey and
gunmetal they had worn since Sedna"
GREY MUHREENS
>>47512385
Scoring heavy squads for everyone would step on the DG toes to an extend, though I would be willing to allow it if they only scored outside their deployment zone (which IMO is what non-troop termies should have instead of blanket scoring to represent that use to attack points and not hold backfield objectives on their side) and had access to suspensor webs as an upgrade, so the only way to use them to score is to use them as aggressive support for your shock troops
>>47512207
Considering how in the new Legions book their are characters that still have 6th ed warlord traits boxed into their profiles I wouldn't hold my breathon huge updates, though a deep price cut on boaxnaughts and breachers would be appreciated
Who else is hoping Magnus gets ML5?
>>47513060
I'd prefer if it was something like
>Magnus has a mastery level equal to the number of Thousand Sons psykers currently in the battlefield
>>47513097
>Thousand sons only get one extra psyker (can make praetor a ML 1-3 psyker)
>Magnus is capped at Mastery Level 3
Besides that rule is arbitrary as hell. Beyond that I would rather see Magnus focus on quality over quantity, he can't cast that many powers but the powers he can cast are exceedingly good.
>>47514092
>Magnus, better than all other psykers (Empra not yet released)
>ML5, can choose his powers from any psychic table
>Harnesses charges on a 3+
>Sgts (and Centurions?) can upgrade to ML1
>Praetors can buy up to ML2
>Librarians can buy up to ML3, and roll from several tables
>>47512890
I didn't need to see that anon.
Your favorite legion's primarch shows up in your room right now, what do?
>>47514486
Die
>>47514486
Well im at work right now, so ill probably have to drive home before Fulgrim does something horrible to my dog
>>47514698
You have time, it's Fulgrim, not Russ
>>47514486
>I was only 9 years old
>I loved Perty so much, I had all the legion specific units and transfer sheets...
You know how this would end
>>47514776
Meant to post this one. How do you guys manage your image folder? Mine has grown too big for me.
>>47514776
>You know how this would end
Pert penetrates your It Will Not Die?
>>47514486
Tell them you're a fucking moron
>>47514486
Not even notice
>>47514885
Nah man, that's scoria.
:^)
>>47514486
Show him the wall I put up in my backyard
>>47514885
>Pert is bitterness, Pert is Decimation
:^)
>>47514776
Decimation?
>>47514924
Hi RG Bro
>>47514486
Papa Sang sees me playing Freak Fortress mode.
So here's my idea for Xenocide Blackshield Outlanders:
After proving themselves more than competent at eliminating xenos threats in the mid-Great Crusade, the War-born's VIIth Purgation Company was dispatched to evaluate the threat of a hitherto unknown xeno threat that was said to be lurking on the very fringes of the galaxy by various corroborated reports from Rogue Trader and Explorator fleet expeditions. The exact nature of these xenos was unknown, but the first hand reports indicated that they regularly took the form of hexapodal swarm-based entities, with an affinity for the consumption of their enemy's flesh, and in some of the more extravagant accounts, consumption of entire biospheres. Preparing for the worst the Purgation company arrived armed with as many phosphex munitions and volkite weapons as could be mustered for what was supposed to be simply a reconnaissance and possibly skirmish mission.
Called fool-hardy by comrades and overly cautious by commanding officers the apprehensive intuition of the VIIth proved correct as the foe's awful power was revealed to them shortly after their arrival in near-extragalactic space. Whole worlds that had been recorded as verdant and exploitable were barren rocks, left as little more than hollow husks of dust and empty echoes. Soon after receiving astropathic transmissions confirming even the most outlandish stories produced about the mystery aliens the VIIth Purgation Company disappears from the official record, and was eventually written off as missing in action. Here begins the stuff of legend, correlating the mysterious "Ashen Saviours" to the VIIth Purgation Company only through these coincidental factors linking them together.
1/2
>>47515031
Ayy sup Curzefag. I'll let this degeneracy go this time.
I was reading up on the Carcharadons this morning and now I'm convinced that pic related is how they came about. I'm not mad, the Carcharadons are fucking cool.
>>47515169
2/2
Firstly, the colouration of their armour; the colours of the War-born were storm grey with secondary gun-metal detailing, and the colouration of the Ashen Saviours seems to be somewhat similar, however their armour exhibits much wear, from bio-acid scarring to alchemical burns common upon legionnaires in Destroyer groups, as well as rusting upon metallic based components Secondly, an obsession with destroying an enemy members of the Ashen Saviours all seem to obsess over, colloquially known amongst themselves as the "Great Devourer", which may have related to the VIIth's original mission of xenocide, and subsequent obsession with eliminating this threat turning to mental degradation. Third and finally, an extreme, almost religious affinity for the cleansing power of phosphex and other energy based weapons such as flamer, or volkites. This would be very in line with captured member's intense obsession with "starving the great annihilator", if the biomass devouring swarms they were originally sent to investigate feed upon the flesh of their enemies as purported.
As noted above this is simple speculation and correlation by Imperial scribes and adepts who have collated discrepancies and losses of major assets during the past ages in order to attempt recovery.
-High Scribe-Adept Viktoriam Messula 845.M35
So essentially they saw Tyranids unholy hunger, were mindfucked, and now their warcry is"No flesh shall be spared!". They go about killing worldsso that the nids don't get them.
>>47514802
I put it into categories. My 40k folder is divided into three folders: Imperial, Traitor Legions and other Unassorted Chaos, and Xenos. The Emperor, Custodes, Sisters of Silence, AdMech, Sisters of Battle, Inquisition, civilians and Malcador all go into the Imperial folder. The IG/SA have their own folder which is dominated by Vostroyans. The marine folder is divided into the loyalist folder which consists of both Angels, Fists, Ultras, Sallies, Wolves, Scars, Hands, and Raven. Their successor chapters all go in their parent chapter's folder. Grey Knights and Blood Ravens do have their own folders, and the rest of the Loyalist folder is filled with other chapters and known loyalists from the HH.
I don't need to explain the Xeno folder. If it's not a Traitor Legion it doesn't go into a traitor legion folder, but daemons of the respective traitor legion's patron God goes into there.
As for non 40k pictures if I have a lot of it it does get its own folder, if not it just goes into my picture library. Which is at least 3000-10000 pics.
>>47515209
You wouldn't be wrong; IIRC there were a handful of loyalist NL among the original spess sharks.
That being said, would pic related be how the Blood Ravens came about?
>>47515031
Why is Curze always depicted with either HUEG teeth, no lips or both? Nigga probably has several rows of teeth, like a shark.
>>47515297
Nah man. Blood Ravens came into being when Magnus had sex with Carmen Sandiago.
>>47515317
He probably filled his teeth to incite fear, and bite his lips off to well incite fear.
>>47515169
>>47515216
Looks great to me.
>>47515246
I'll consider this system, thanks.
>>47515297
Curzefag, do you trawl through DeviantArt looking for these sort of images? Honest question, I'm impressed by how you have an image for every scenario.
I wish Corax had kleptomania as a trait. Just seems like it would be highly amusing, and it would give him some much needed flavour.
>>47515317
...shit, that really is where Carcharodons come from.
>>47515388
You're welcome. But if you do create your own chapter just create a folder inside the parent chapter's folder. The Chapter Generator is way too addictive, and screenshots from Chapter Master can add up.
>>47515345
Filling your teeth merely makes them pointier, not bigger. They actually get smaller
>>47515396
It might just well be
Inferno when?
Fucking dorn and alpharius when
>>47515456
Huh. Well shoot. If he wants to incite fear with his teeth he should have gone for a swim and found pic related's industrial grade nope-saw. I don't understand how it even eats with its teeth.
>>47515488
It rasps chunks off of prey and eats those.
>>47515488
>I don't understand how it even eats with its teeth.
He doesn't. He merely scares the food into his stomach.
He also feeds upon fear and serf tears.
>>47515501
Huh here I thought it shredded.
>>47515516
And what shills for Frills have been denying for years comes out.
>>47515390
I actually don't. I guess I just have a gift for finding great images somehow.Off-topic I know, but would you care to join a primarch fan discussion group on Skype? You seem like you'd be interested.
>>47515572
This sounds like the most incredibly niche thing I've ever been invited to.I'm in.
If money was no object, what forces would you guys want to field?
I'd want a full jetbike White Scars army, with a supporting Stormbird full of veteran tacticals, and a couple of Fire Raptors fucking shit up from the skies.
>>47515813Alright, post Skype name so I can invite you
>>47515813
>If money was no object, what forces would you guys want to field?
Then I'd be actually able to play the goddamed game. But it'd hardly help, given how I'd use all armies.
Except fucking Word Bearers. Fuck those guys.
>>47515169
>>47515216
That's pretty good. I'd like to see it fleshed out with more transcripts, logs and accounts from other sources like the Ashen Claws section in book 5.
>>47516236
Added
>>47515864
Guy Sefton
>>47516489
Which one
Do you guys convert your 30k armies into 40k lists when people at stores want to play? Or do you use your 30k lists at 1500-2000 points games?
>>47516943
>convert your 30k armies into 40k lists
unless you've specifically built your list with this in mind, it's actually pretty tough to do and end up with an effective army.
>>47516518
I'm Guy. No idea who the other guy is, no offence Noah
>>47516943
Sure, most of my army is Vets+Seekers and if someone wants to get a 40k game its magically changed into Sternguard using the 1st Strike Force formation!.
>>47517323
Messaged
Can Siege Breakers take jump packs? They come with Nuncio-vox, and I'm not sure if those are mutually exclusive
>>47515813
>If money was no object, what forces would you guys want to field?
Three full detachments of BA WS and IF with three allied detachments of Auxilia, Reductor and Custodes, I'd spam fortifications, artillery and bunk down with the IF SA and OR and outflank/deepstrike my WS and BA into the enemy, my three LoW would be a Primarch, TItan and Stormbird.
Split a Betrayal at Calth box, and started with the Death Guard. I'm getting Calas Typhon to be my praetor, so what's a good use for the cataphractii captain? Maybe some form of consul?
>>47520463
Primus Medicae, just give him a poison tea set to get everyone back on their feet.
>>47514486
Smashes a hole in the ceiling with their head, then falls through the floor which was too weak for their weight.
>>47520855
Is he Angron or Ferrus?
>>47514216
Wouldn't Ahirman be classified as a praetor? I feel like praetors should match librarians in psychic potential for 1k sons.
Taking the plunge into 30k. More interested in making a cool looking and fluffy army than anything super competitive, but I would hugely appreciate if anyone could give me a vague idea of what kind of points I'm looking at here. Just a ballpark figure.
IV Legion - Hammer of Olympia rite of war
Siege Breaker
10 Tactical Marines
Rhino
10 Tactical Marines
Rhino
10 Tactical Marines
Rhino
20 Tactical Marines
3 Contemptor Dreadnoughts
w. DCCW and Kheres
10 Terminators
w. power axes
Techmarine
10 Iron Havocs
w. autocannons
Spartan Assault Tank
3 Medusas
w. Phosphex
Sicaran Venator
Typhon
>>47520886
Any of them, really, especially in armour.
>>47514486
Ferrus would tell me that I am weak.
>>47521014
Thinking they will stat him as such,
still expecting LA rules to be something like this
- All Preators and Consuls may upgrade to max ML 2 (all consuls except Libby) or ML 3 (preator and Libby)
- Primary detachment must include atleast 1 psyker
- All units may harass warp charges on 4+ (this would make Ksons capable of unleashing a shittonne of Mind DAKKA)
- may not have more vehicles then infantry.
>>47515813
SoH, WB and SA. All aroubd 2k points.
>>47521259
That seems a little strong.
Since TS are organised by discipline maybe have one detachment only able to roll on one table?
>>47514486
>>47521035
Morty wouldn't. He'd either phase through the wall or ram a starship into your bedroom, no in-betweens. But he'd invite you a drink afterwards :)
The drink is poison, though.
>>47521032
Should get you about 3000 points give or take. I honestly have no clue what the hell a Typhon costs so I guessed 500 points in my estimate. Either way it looks good except it has no effective AA, granted you could easily magnetize your dreads to make some mortis contemptors for AA. Beyond that my only advice is that rhinos die real easily in 30k and I would personally go for 3 units for 20 marines over 3 units of 10 and 1 unit of 20. Cheaper (pointwise) too.
Alright /hhg/, give me your best beep boop memes
>>47521361
Fantastic, cheers. The rhinos are mainly because I love the Deimos models. Also they get extra armour for free with hammer of Olympia.
I hear you on the anti air. Was considering arming the iron Havocs with missile launchers or something so they will be dedicated for it.
My only change beyond that is that apparently you can't have the siege breaker on his own as you need a praetor or primarch to unlock the rite of war. So I'll either switch him out for a warsmith or add in a praetor.
>>47521379
Anon, that is Dorn
>>47521396
Delegatus.
>>47521259
My thoughts were something like.
>Any character may become a ML 1 psyker for 45 points (so exactly like Librarians). Independent characters can be upgraded to ML 2 for an additional 20 points.
>Any librarians and praetors may be upgraded to ML 3 for a total of 85 points (25 base plus 20 for each ML)
>Some buffs relating to psychic powers as a whole
The end result is while the 1K sons are scary they will almost inevitably end up being an extremely small army as their powers are extremely expensive. Just fielding a single ML 3 praetor and two ML 3 librarians would cost you 455 points before wargear and that is just your HQ slots.
Seeing how their army is based around psykers forcing them to have psykers seems redundant and restrictive (what if your army was made up of the outcasts with no psychic potential). However Rites of War should almost certainly have limits like "must include at least one librarian" and "must have a combined ML of X (eg. 12)." So if you want to play 1K sons without psykers for fluff or I suppose challenge reasons you can, it will just be a lot harder as you are playing a legion with almost no advantages to you.
>>47521441
Stops me taking a Lord of War sadly.
Will probably take just a Warsmith
>>47521507
>Stops me taking a Lord of War sadly.
Isn't that the Delegatus specific RoW?
>>47521519
Nope, it's just if you take him as your warlord (which you have to if you don't have a primarch)
>>47521534
Well, there are Heralds.
>>47511171
don't worry thousand-san, unlike Magnus you can do no wrong (in picking a red color)
>>47515216
>>47515169
Sounds pretty goodbut I don't like the name, it seems that every edgy grey Astartes company is called ash something.
>>47521259
>>47521309
>>47521479
What my group has been testing is letting the Praetor, Delegatus and Librarian buy/upgrade to ML3 and regular Consuls to ML2. Sergeants can upgrade to ML1.
With the stipulation that the Warlord must be at least one ML higher than the rest of the army.
It's worked out pretty well. It imposes a natural limit at lower points and scales up nicely. Want ML1 sarges? Then you need to pony up for a ML2 HQ.
The points add up really damn fast.
>>47521706
Well, only the Ashen Claws.
Why not Cinder or Ember saviours?
Could alloe for some red elements on the armour like veteran markings.
>>47521777
Any special equipment?
>>47521777
Do you buy the Librarian consul and then the mastery levels or just the mastery?
Also maybe a nod to the TS low population the squads could cap 15 marines.
>>47521799
Sure, here's the whole thing.
Rules
Knowledge is Power:
- The Warlord must possess a higher Mastery Level than other Characters in the same Detachment.
Psychic Leadership:
- Preators are ML1 psykers by default and can buy an additional 2 Mastery Levels at 30 points each.
- Librarians can be Compulsory HQs, have ML1 by default and can buy an additional 2 Mastery Levels at 25 points each.
- Characters can buy a single Mastery Level for 25 points.
Psychic Potential:
- Characters who do not have a Mastery Level or Brotherhood of Psykers still add one Warp Charge to your total.
Equipment
Legion Wargear (Heqa Staff)
- Any psyker can replace a power or force weapon with a Heqa Staff for 10 points.
- Same stats as a one-handed force staff.
- Grants the wielder +1 to harnessing Warp Charges (3+ from 4+ in most circumstances).
Tutelary Companion:
- Upgrade for any Psyker, 5 points.
- When Perils is triggered you can choose to make a special save. On a 3+ the Perils is cancelled.
- If the save is failed you suffer the Perils and your opponent gets to target your power. The power is treated as if cast by the opponent for defining valid targets.
The staff is probably too strong when mixed with Psychic Potential.
>>47521854
In addition we trimmed down the discipline tables.
- Pavoni
P: Smite
1: Enfeeble
2: Life Leech
3: Endurance
- Corvidae
P: Prescience
1: Forewarning
2: Perfect Timing
3: Precognition
- Pyrae
P: Spontaneous Combustion
1: Fire Shield
2: Inferno
3: Molten Beam
- Raptora
P: Telekine Dome
1: Assail
2: Levitation
3: psychic Maelstrom
- Athanaean
P: Psychic Shriek
1: Dominate
2: Terrify
3: Mental Fortitude
>>47521854
>>47521888
That's pretty good, maybe if you're worried about the strength of the equipment restrict it to HQs?
>>47521854
>Knowledge is PowerHide it well
>>47521854
Free/cheap ML + Free WC look very strong even without the staff.
>>47521912
>>47521909
Probably yeah, we just have not had a chance to play in the last two or so months, so no further tweaking of the rules.
To be honest I think it puts too much emphasis on the psychic aspect. Yeah that's their main schtick, but they are also precision experts and macro coordinators. I think other facets should be reflected in their rules. Or maybe that can be left to the Rites.
>>47521950
I reckon that their basic rules will buff psykers a bit then two RoWs, one which boosts psykers even more and one which enhances shooting.
>>47521950
I would say the main focus of the LA rules and RoW should be psychic in focus (perhaps one RoW is offensive psychic powers focus and the other is defensive psychic powers focus), however their other aspects should have some representation in their rules.
One idea to weaken them a bit is to include an Achilles heel that uses their own LA rules against them. For example EC are good at challenges and have to issue them but if they lose a challenge the unit suffers -1 leadership. One could use psychic powers against the Thousand Sons as part of an Achilles heel.
>>47513012
I wouldn't really say that it steps DG toes all that much; A universally available unit shouldn't be exclusively useful in two armies.
Though maybe they would more popular if some of the weapon upgrades they have were not so atrociously expensive by todays standards (Lascannon models effectively 40pts a piece does not represent their effectiveness against the heavy armour its supposed to be used against.)
How does this look?
Headhunter Leviathal
LoW
Alpharius
HQ
Siege Breaker cataphractii
Elites
5 Cataphractii w/ 3 combi-melta, heavy flamer, 2 chainfists, power dagger
2x1 laser destroyer
Troops
2x 10 combi-plasma headhunters
Heavy Support
10 missile heavies
2k-ish
>>47522229
Not him, but maybe something like Thousand Sons have to use at least one more dice than the required Warp Charge to try and harness> For instance if the spell needs 1 WC to go off, they have to roll at least 2 dice, increasing the risk of Perils?
>>47522568
Or they have a chance on a perils of...turning.
>>47522308
>Lascannon models effectively 40pts a piece does not represent their effectiveness against the heavy armour its supposed to be used against
The prices of some of the weapon upgrades and options are outdated from 6E. Take Dreads, where their tl lascannons still cost what it used to cost in the 6e marine Codex, where now it costa 15pts for them. And HH1 was even worse, with Predator lascannon sponsons that costed a good portion of the cost of yet another Predator
>me auxilia, friend is Raven guards
>played 2,500pts game
>friend, corax and dark furies
>me, 3 malcador infernuses with chem munition.
>perfectly being that guy.
>>47514092
>>47521479
>>47521777
>>47521854
>>47521799
>>47521912
You know what TS should get? Psychic hoods. Book 7 should reveal that the iconic piece of wargear 40k librarians use was invented by the legion punished specifically by dabbling with psychic stuff
>>47522637
Would love for FW to release Thousand Sons Chaos Spaawww-ARGHHHHH!
>>47522961
Would be hilariously fitting since it uses a lot of gems too, which sound sorcery-tech.
>>47522532
i mean,alphie dosent really have anywhere to go besides the catiis, and then he is foot slogging
also why no leanerians instead:chargers, +1 ws,stubbon and +1 attack on the serg is pretty damn nice
>>47522836
I'm not familiar with auxilia, did you infiltrate or outflank or something?
>>47523250
The termies barely fit in pointswise. They're mostly for outflanking and nuking something with combis.
Alph I think would start with the headhunters and operate openly for the tasty army wide preferred enemy.
>>47523450
The infernus tanks just kill every infantry unit they touch,its nasty as fuck.
Even more so against RG that rely on inflitration,thus being close and chameloine enhanced cover on which the infernus shits.
Fun, but nasty.
>>47523592
if points is your problem, then so is your primarch: at 2k points and below, unless you have a really clever plan (tm) then you should leave that point sink (1/5 of your army no less)at home. this is double true of someone like alphie, who brings buffs to the table that benefit most from a cohesive plan, where everything has a number of pre-defined roles and does them very well.
my advise: drop the big A and either but more anti-hoard type things, or buff up your existing squads
>>47523661
That's probably a better plan. Hard to fit the big guy in. Besides, all my guys are Alpharius so I'm not losing anything.
>>47514486
I mean, I assume Alpharius isn't making himself visible. The real question here is what piece of furniture he would disguise himself as.
>>47524291You are his disguise.
>>47524326There's a skellington inside you right now.
>>47521779
>>47521779
Yeah, I like the Cinder or Ember better, Ash was just the first thing that came to mind.
>>47521910
>>47522961
I feel that Papa Sang and Khan would be bound to have a few hoods from Magnus.
>>47521910
>>47524403
>>47524803
>>47524394
Yout guys, do what you want.
Cinder of Salvation sounds pretty grim.
So what's the general opinion of Blackshields, Marauders, and Pariah wargear?
Given Marauder's extreme flexibility I've been thinking of some different combinations:
>shotguns, laslocks and/or flamers with Pariah armour to run and gun into close combat
>using the Outlanders deployment rules (letting some of your infantry deep strike) and giving a group of Marauders lascutters and meltas then having them bum-rush vehicles
>>47525053
Given that there's already the Ashen Claws I think a change is good. And that does sound good too, especially considering the graveness of their task.
>>47525147
Cinder would imply it allready is lost, ember for something that could start again and fires of salvation night imply an ongoing battle.
I have no idea about pariah wargear though.
Their bolters seem ok-ish, as in shooting AND stealing the charge.
But the armour bit is a bit meh, depends on your meta.
If you only have vindicators or bolter fore then I say go for it.
It is a nice workaround if there is no middle ground in enemy weapon strength.
In general, your out landers should get close to the enemy anyway and you could invest the bolter points in special weapons or power weapons.
>>47525147
Suicide Outlanders are always a good idea, but don't take lascutters. They're just terrible.
I prefer breachers over marauders for blackshields, when combined with deathseekers you get sort of Iron Hands-lite
>>47525343
Iron Hands truly are the "Reeeeè!Fucking Traitors!"
Legion.
>>47525362
If Iron Hands are the pepes of the heresy, does that make blood angels the feels guy of the heresy?And White Scars the spurdos?
>>47525437
:DDDDDDDDD
>>47525906
Ban test.
Got a lot of free time today so I'll probably be making a Cataphractii Terminator with a ratchet custom built Plasma Blaster. Let me know what you think about this revised 2k IF list. I think after yesterday I'm going to politely decline games from Eldar/Dark Eldar players...
2000/2000
HQ
Sigismund, Pride of the Legion, 230 pts
Elites
Contemptor-Cortus, Kheres Assault Cannon, 150 pts
Contemptor-Cortus, Kheres Assault Cannon, 150 pts
Troops
5 x Cataphractii Terminators, 4 Power Fists, 1 Chainfist, Plasma Blaster, Teleport Transponder, 235 pts
10 x Vet Tactical Squad, 2 Heavy Bolters, Vexilla, Sgt with Power Fist and Artificer Armor, Sniper, Rhino, 310 pts
10 x Vet Tactical Squad, 2 Heavy Bolters, Vexilla, Sgt with Power Fist and Artificer Armor, Sniper, Rhino, 310 pts
5 x Templar Brethren, 5 Combat Shields, Sgt with Power Fist, Nuncio Vox, Land Raider Phobos, 465 pts
Heavy Support
1 x Vindicator, Machine Spirit, Dozer Blades, 150 pts
My question is...I can't decide which is more important: Vexillas for the Sniper Vets or Armored Ceramite for the Land Raider. After having an Archon use a Webway Portal with Fire Dragons lighting my Land Raider the fuck up yesterday...I kinda regret not taking Armored Ceramite...but rerolling morale sounds pretty useful without ATSKNF
>>47525343
>don't take lascutters. They're just terrible.
>makes your attack WS1
What the fuck, fucking why
I guess in that case that I'll just make a Support Squad of dudes with all meltas, deep strike them, and ruin someone's day.
>>47525271
That symbology seems like it would work better, especially given that they are trying to save humanity ultimately
A neat arc with them could be made out of an Imperial Militia trying to stop their purging, and at first Imperial forces side with the militia until it's revealed that they are thoroughly genestealer cultists.
Quick, flamers or bolters in an autocannon Deredeo?
>>47526058
It don't matter
>>47526058
Bolters allow you to keep up with your other weapons slightly. If the enemy is close enough for the flamers to matter then your dread is likely dead next turn anyway.
>>47526326
Thanks.
Also inserting the head into the main slot is horrific.
>>47526058
Assault Cannons.
>>47526058
Bolters. Flamers won't do shit even when people get in your face.
So I have spent most of my memorial day painting up my 20 man squad of tacticals for my DG army. Have a quick question to everyone here though. I have been going back a forth on what color to paint their bolters. Should I go with the standard black for their bolter or the old school cherry red. I will admit that the red is what I am gravitating toward but I wanted to see what other would think.
Before anyone asks I know that they are a realy bright white in comparison to the usual DG color scheme but they are fluffed as being a chapter (within the legion) formed after Istavan and in brand newer gear. Only command and sergeants would be veterans.
>>47527137
Why not green?
>>47527150
I honestly didn't even think of that. I was going to be doing the majority of the backpack in the same green as the shoulder pads so I was planning on doing the bolter in something different to break it up.
>>47527264
I was expecting the backpack to be mostly similar to the rest.
I still think green's a good idea, but it's not my decision. Red and green are supposed to be complimentary colors, but it's really easy for them to end up looking like a christmas tree getup. Black is fairly neutral and still stands out from the white armour.
What superheavy should I get for my EC?
I was considering either a Glaive or a Knight Lancer
>>47516236
>naughty cocks
>>47516394
>added
>>47527904
Bogh fit, fluff wise.
>Muh elegance.
>>47527137
>>47527264
I like them, the mud looks very dark though.
I guess you can see more detail with the naked eye?
they really ought to remove 0-1 restriction on IW artillery batteries, that, or allow them additional towed artillery..
(Phosphex screws Tau over wonderfully from my experience though)
>>47527137
It's like the World Eaters and Death Guard had a child. The Death Eaters or World Guards.
Night Lords. Matt blue or metallic blue?
>>47528836
Metallic.
>>47528724
I would like to see the IW get more artillery, I'm actually pretty surprised the big guns got a 0-1 restriction - I didn't think codices and such did that any more for normal listbuilding
What models have you worked on recently /hhg/?
>>47528836
Matt.
Oh. Oh no. Why.
>>47528724
The iron warriors overall seem rather bafflingly designed at times, the artillery legion not getting any more artillery havoks AND tyrants occupying the already over saturated heavy slot, the warsmith upgrade being a thing that exists that FW somehow thought was a fair and reasonable upgrade
>>47529070
yep, i feel like they decided on one thing, then opted for another completely.
IMHO
Tyrants move to Elites
Havocs stay as HS,
0-1 restriction on Arty should be lifted
Warsmith should be turned into a very shooty support character which allows you to bring extra cover/
unleash more Dakka
>>47529043
Oh.
>>47512890
L O S T C A L T H
how can word bearers even compete
>>47529070
Because the FW writers lived through the 3 and 3.5 edition Chaos times, and the leaf blower times, and know that neckbeards would turn HH into the artillery spam days of yore. So they wisely limited that shit. And started jacking up the price on quad mortars.
>>47529129
Just allow Warsmiths to give the Siege Master/Breaker (whatever) benefits to D3 units. Now he is worth it.
>>47529043
And Pert's favorite is long gone. At least he still has Beepius Boopius, Jamaal, and the other three.
>>47528956
Loving it!
Iconoclast chaos escorts.
>>47529211
Basilisks AND more heavy slots were pretty gudd.
Also suicide kyborgs.
>>47529344
When listening to fans of any one faction, it's best to listen to what they say they want/need then dial it back a few.
Everyone comes out balanced.
Except Orks. They just get fucked
Checked the FAQ, but didn't find the answer I need:
If I replace Vigilator's Power with Scout Armour to gain Move Through Cover and Infiltrate, and then buy him an Artificer Armout, does he still retain the special rules?
Since the Recon Sergeant does retain them, and both Breacher and Heavy Support Sergeants retain their hardened armour, there are precedents set for it, but maybe someone has emailed FW about this case.
>>47529508
I'd say no
>>47528485
I think ill get both then
>>47528956
Finished up an apothecary, working on a dakka predator, and ned to still finish some volkite/lightning claw termies that haven't had their details done.
Muh spess romans
Muh ultramar
>>47529368
>Except Orks. They just get fucked
No, anon, Roll a d6 to see if you ask them what you want. Then roll a d6 to see if you care to listen. Now roll another d6 to see if you implement a change, and if you do roll a d6 for the magnitude of the change and a third d6 to decide if it's a buff or a nerf. Then roll a d6 to be sure of whether or not to release the new codex.Roll a d6 to see if you require Ork players to roll a d6 to choose which codex they have to use after deployment bu before the first turn.
>>47528836
Fucking matte blue looks great and hides fuckups well. You can paint them in the dark and they'll still come out great.You are going to paint them in the dark, right?
Why did the marines fight breakfast cereal during the Great Crusade?
>>47529697
Consult 2d6 table to determine overcostedness of unit character upgrade.
>>47529129
Because I know we're wish listing here I might as well make the wishiest of lists
>Warsmith can be given to any compulsory HQ (similar to the ones Khyr has) consuls get some unique ability based on their type and praetors get to choose 3 from a list (following the pattern from khyr)
>Hail of fire gets moved to LA rules
>Havoks go to elite slot
>Sheathed in steal also lets vehicles buy siege plating
>Omni-scopes can be purchased by all sergeants/characters
I see the artillery restriction removal being tied to the Siege breaker/warsmith with some additional restriction, like only being able to take squadrons with a minimum of two tanks or requiring you to have more troops choices then artillery squadrons, meaning if you really want to invest in artillery you lock yourself into this shooty hoard army
and i really like the idea of more units being given omni-scopes, since most sergeants can take combi-weapons and havoks can take different heavy weapons per model you can make for very efficient shooting by using what would otherwise be overkill on a single target to cripple or pick off lighter/damaged units
>>47528800
>Death Eaters
Anons commander is now called Voldemort and has a hatred for a TS initiate he can never ever kill.
Would a Chymerae Blacksield force be suitable for an 'Old Hundred' fluffed army? I like the two human armies an' all, but the lack of units hurt.
>>47529070
>>47529129
>>47529258
>Tyrants as Elites
>Warsmiths and other dudes with Cortex Controllers become able to join units with a Cybernetica Cortex, rather than hanging around them like shy morons
>Warsmiths also don't lose their WT, still inflict -1 to a piece of cover.
Even with the 0-1 artillery limit it would still run smoothly, oiled by your enemy's tears and blood.
>>47529761
>>Sheathed in steal also lets vehicles buy siege plating
HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG! Muh siege.
>>47529899
Not really, Old Hundred were ultimately humans, just better trained, equipped, and more experienced. Solar Auxilia might be better as you can field nothing but Velatris and honour guards giving you army wide WS/BS 4 (or effectively anyway) as well as access to BS 4 volkite culverin leman russ tanks. Void hardened armour also helps.
Also that reminded me of a question, where the hell do tank commanders go for SA? Can I just drop them in a tank that is in a squadron? Can I put two or three tank commanders in the same squadron? 3 BS 5 preferred enemy volkite culverins with hull and pintle multilsers sounds pretty fucking brutal (30 BS 5 S 6 preferred enemy (infantry) shots within 36").
>>47528800
>Death Eaters or World Guards
So Death Eaters are the traitors and World Guards are the loyalists I assume.
Does the Brotherhood of the Storm go on to become the Storm Lords Chapter?
>>47529755
Why? I feel like there's going to be a punchline
To anyone who has built together the Eidolon model: how much does his cloak bit cover his back before you put on the jump pack? I want to magnetize him to be able to have a normal backpack but it's hard to judge how difficult it would be.
Pic related is the main body (taken from a youtube video). The cloak bit has a metal plate on it but I'm not sure if it covers the entire recess, how it looks near the arms etc.
>>47529043
>"hey, perturabo"
>"what?"
>"superman..."
>>47512646
that pic XD
>>47530884
xdddddddddddddddddd'
lmfao senpai desu
>>47530956
We all come fresh from the emoji world, anon. Don't be anal about it, he'll soon learn to use the one true face, the one to rule them all and bind them into darkness.:^)
>>47530956
love how mad this makes you XD
>>47521415
>Anon, that is Dorn
And would Dorn not love Pertys suffering?
>>47530884
>>47530956
>>47531052
Except one of these faces boils my blood at the sight of it.
>>47531091
Dorn's not a sadist though.
>>47531091
No, he'd be indifferent because thats how he rolls, like a stone.
So I saw the Betrayal at Calth box on GW's website, and it's made me either want to get into 30k, start an SM army, or both.
Could I use all the models in the box as part of one army? And color-wise, am I limited to the legions?
Sorry for the newfag questions.
>>47531215
Legions had variation on the colours and you can always look up old art and find a scheme in there that you like. I painted my dudes based on an old Index Astarted image.
On top of legions you got Blackshields. Militia can also have power armoured dudes with the Survivors of the Dark Age provenance.
>>47531215
Yes, you can use all the models in 30k and 40k, loyalist legions (and the non-mono god legions) didn't change their colour scheme that much post heresy except for the Dark Angels
>>47531110
>Dorn's not a sadist though.
Yeah, he's a masochist. Perty making him suffer is what really gets him off. Why else do you think is was called the iron cage?
>>47531278
Hmm... That's true, I could/should look around at the color schemes, see if there's one I'd like.
>On top of legions you got Blackshields. Militia can also have power armoured dudes with the Survivors of the Dark Age provenance.
I have no clue what this means, sorry.
>>47531313
Alright, got it.
>>47531124
Dorn would smirk at Perty's suffering, then immediately to the pain glove to repent for feeling.
>>47531215
>Could I use all the models in the box as part of one army?
Definitely. Here's an outline for a starting list using only the box, coming in at around 1100-1300pts depending on upgrades:
HQ
Praetor with Cataphractii Armour and stuff, Rite of War: Pride of the Legion
Chaplain with Artificer Armour and stuff
Troops
10 Veteran Tacticals with special weapons, sergeant upgrades etc.
10 Veteran Tacticals with special weapons, sergeant upgrades etc.
10 Veteran Tacticals with special weapons, sergeant upgrades etc.
5 Cataphractii Terminators with whatever
(all of these become troops through the Rite of War)
Elite
Contemptor with Multi-Melta or Kheres, or a Contemptor-Mortis if you get another Kheres through ebay/FW/friends
You can do light conversion work and/or use FW bits to change the Chaplain into another kind of Consul, change the Veterans into Tactical Support/Seekers/Heavy Support etc.
>And color-wise, am I limited to the legions?
People expect you to paint a scheme that's appropriate to the time period, but there are more variants than the main 18.
Dusk Raiders, Luna Wolves, War Hounds, Imperial Heralds are all early versions of respective Legions.
Blackshields are basically Marines saying "fuck this" during the heresy and breaking off from their original Legion to join the other side or become independents/renegades.
There are also variants within the Legions such as pic related.
>>47531447
>I have no clue what this means, sorry.
Blackshields are renegade Astartes, militia is an army list designed to represent any of the non-official imperium human armies out there during the horus heresy, provenances are special army rules that customise your forces providing new rules and allowing for different modelling options.
>>47531523
Huh, alright, I like the sound of that. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
>>47531524
Sounds interesting, honestly.
What books/codices would I need to check all them out? I'm probably going to get two, one for me and a friend who's also interested.
>>47531592
For milita look for Book 4, Blacksheilds are Book 6.
>>47531671
Alright, got it. What about the regular Space Marine Legions? Or are there seperate books for them?
I know now that there's Solar Auxilia, Mechanicum, Blackshields, Militia, and the Legions as the current armies for 30k, correct?
>>47531671
No, Book 4 is SA. Book five is Imperial Militia
>>47531729
Eeeaaaasy
>Legiones Astartes
LACAL
HH5 (additions)
HH6 (additions and DA, WS and BA)
Legion specifics: Adeptus Astartes Red book and HH6
>Blackshields
Same as LA, mostly HH6.
>Mechanicum
Taghmata Omnissiah red book
>Solar Auxilia
HH4
>Imperial Militia
HH5
Also, to play in 30k you need the 7E rulebook, plus the rules found in LACAL coupled with the expansion in HH4, or use the ones found in the Tagmata's red book.
:^)
>>47532011
>LACAL
Legiones Astartes something something something?
The 40k 7E BRB? I do have that, so I'm good there.
Thanks for the help mate!
>>47532119
I mean, you could get all of those books as pdf in your phone, you know. That way I can read any of them when I'm bored in the bus, instead of carrying 179649714kg of books with me.
But on the tabletop yeah, they could for not giving FW all your moneys for errata-ridden incomplete books.
>>47532200
This comment has a mistake, but I didn't charge you money for it so it's alright :)
>>47532119
Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List
It's the red book for SM Legions, red books being compilations of rules with no fluff/campaign stuff.
It's relatively old and soon to become outdated though, new version coming later this year.
>>47532226
I thought AODL was already out?
>>47532200
Ah, no, I have it on my phone as a pdf.
>>47532215
Kek.
>>47532226
Alright, got it mate! Good to know that there's a new one coming out soon, might as well wait for that one.
I just thought of a color scheme, though like you've said earlier I'd be expected to paint them in Legion colors, which is a shame. Might as well get started looking at the color schemes!
>>47532290
LACAL is for generic SM Legion stuff (and is old), LAAoDL is for Legion-specific stuff (and is new)
>>47532310
I thought AoDL is completely replacing CAL which is why CAL is being removed.
Why is Sigismund the best?
>>47532707
Because it literally took Abaddon 1000 years of training to beat him.
>>47532750
plus chaos buffs
>>47532690
Take a look inside the AoDL and you'll quickly realize that is not the case.
>>47532226
Did the new Age of Darkness book have any color pallets and fluff bits, or was it all just rules
>>47529697
Phil Kelly get the fuck out of here. Don't shit up 30k like you have with 40k.
>>47533162
There's the small amount of fluff in the side columns and within the rule descriptions, but not a single page devoted to anything but rules.
>>47514216
Personally I would like to see them screw the pouch and go with Mastery Level 12.
That way he doesn't even have to chose his powers he can simply choose two schools.
Make him WS/BS 5 and ~500 points though.
