Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>Playing?
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>Next MTG Purchase?
The updated Modern Metagame is below.
Where can I get fakes for $1-2 a card? They don't need to be great, but I want to start Vintage and just use proxies for now, and I've never liked making my own. Please don't let this start another thread derail, I just want a link to cheap fakes.
>>47462753
How are tiers decided, anyway?
>>47462727
>WE
>WUZ
>MAGES
>N
>SHEEEETTT!
Anyway, sorry for all the shitposting. I talked to a friend of mine who loves Legacy about it and his perspective helped me understand a lot.
>>47462778
Do modern fakes only come in the staples?
Say I wanted goryos or something
>>47462791
Understanding Tiers
Modern Nexus metagame stats are prevalence-based numbers reflecting how frequently a deck appears in tournament Top 8s, Top 16s, and Day 2s (as well as MTGO finishers). It does not consider a deck’s Match Win Percentage (MWP) or other “performance-based” metrics. A deck can be an excellent strategy and a strong metagame choice regardless of its tier, although there is certainly a correlation between frequently played decks and high-performing decks.
Sources
Data for each tab is taken from the following sources, broken down by tab:
Metagame – MTGO: All 4-0 and 3-1 decks from all published MTGO dailies on the Wizards website. Includes 5-0 finishes in published Leagues and all published finishes from Premiers, PTQs, etc.
Metagame – Paper: All T8 and T16 events for all paper tournaments, regardless of size, drawn from a range of metagame websites.
Metagame – Major Paper T8: All T8 and T16 finishes from Modern Pro Tour, Grand Prix, and SCG Open events.
Metagame – Major Paper Day 2: All Day 2 metagame statistics for Modern Pro Tour, Grand Prix, and SCG Open events.
1/3
>>47463044
Tier Calculations
Tournament finishes for all decks in the format are tracked in the spreadsheet above. All decks receive 0-3 points in four separate categories, and then receive a total score based on the sum of their points. The decks with the highest points are considered Tier 1. Decks with slightly less points, but still passing a certain dynamic cutoff, are considered Tier 2. Finally, decks in the lowest cutoff bracket are considered Tier 3.
Points are awarded in each category based on a 95% confidence interval for average prevalences and how far outside of that confidence interval a deck’s prevalence falls. This gives us a statistically supported way of determining whether a deck is overperforming or underperforming, in a way that is transparent to all users and more “objective” than just grading decks based on personal preference. As an added bonus, the cutoffs are dynamic based on the current metagame, instead of semi-arbitrary cutoffs that are relics of older metagames no longer applicable today. So in one update, the 95% confidence interval for average prevalence on MTGO might be .95%-1.05%, with a standard deviation of 1.5%. But in another update, that interval might be 1%-1.5% and the standard deviation could be 2%. This higher variance metagame would naturally have different cutoffs than the lower variance one.
Finally, after all decks have been awarded a point total, we take the average of that point total and then set a Tier 1 cutoff at two standard deviations over that average total. Any deck with points that exceed that cutoff is considered Tier 1. Any deck that does not quite meet the Tier 1 cutoff but still meets the dynamic Tier 2 cutoff (typically 1-2 points) is then considered Tier 2. Any deck that has greater than 0 points but less than the Tier 2 cutoff qualifies as Tier 3.
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>>47463062
Here is the system that is used to award points to decks in the four different categories:
MTGO
1 point: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average prevalence
2 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 1stdev prevalence
3 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 2stdev prevalence
Paper
1 point: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average prevalence
2 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 1stdev prevalence
3 points: Prevalence > upper 95% interval for average + 2stdev prevalence
GP/PT T8/T16
1 point: Prevalence > average weighted showings of T8/T16 decks
2 points: Prevalence > average + 1stdev for weighted showings of T8/T16 decks
3 points: Prevalence > average + 2stdev for weighted showings of T8/T16 decks
GP/PT Day 2
1 point: Prevalence > average prevalence
2 points: Prevalence > average + 1stdev prevalence
3 points: Prevalence > average + 2stdev prevalence
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>>47463044
>>47463062
>>47463074
Thanks for copying this out, it vastly improves this thread.
So im wondering if a G/W tokens deck could be viable. Utilizing the populate mechanic, Dromokas Command and even Doubling Season. Green gives you more beefy tokens then the 1/1 spirits and soldiers that White has access to. 3/3 Elephants all day.
Could this work?
>>47463090
Thanks for the feedback, I'll include it from now on.
>Playing?
spellweaver helix
>Brewing
spellweaver helix
>Next MTG Purchase
spellweaver helix
i love this deck guys, ive been playing it on xmage for days and it feels excellent. it's not perfect but it's strong and has some great matchups.
>>47462727
Will they ever produce decent art for snappy?
The first one looked like some fucked up drawthread commission and this is Static Shock reject concept art...
>>47463837
I never loved the art, but it's based on a person. I like how the art isnt super crowded or edgy; just a simple dude. I've grown to appreciate the Asian megaman.
>>47463224
If you want tokens, you normally play BW. Evasive token creatures from Lingering Souls and Spectral Procession along with cheap anthem effects makes for a decent clock . That, combined with a strong discard package and a dash of removal makes for a decent deck.
>>47463780
Are you running it in a loam shell? I like imprinting worst fears.
>>47462727
Is there a MTG thread that could help with deckbuilding? I am new to the game and need suggestions for low cost black monsters that are around 1-2 mana.
>>47465952
not sure if you can use, i am a fucking casual.
>>47465952
Essential for any black deck
>>47462753
Hmm, would've thought that Affinity would be higher after it managed to take a kid to 2nd place.
>>47465952
The best lesson in deckbuilding is to see what are the best decks and most played decks and play them yourself. That way you learn the weaknesses and strengths of the deck and what makes a deck good and why it is acceptable when it has a weak matchup because it has a solid matchup elsewhere. Print out some fake cards and test them against your friends.
Learning how to build a deck from scratch is basically a waste of your time and money. You can better use your time practicing with decks that are actually good, thus learning what makes a good deck and using your money once you know for certain what you want.
>>47466302
www.mtgtop8.com
Is a good place to start. Print off two high % decks and throw them against each other. See how they work.
>>47466148
To be fair, it's not like just the deck itself took him that far. He is honestly a very good player, and obviously knew the ins and outs of the deck. You can't just play the top deck and suddenly get top 8, you actually have to be a good player as well
>>47462727
Why is the new snap caster running?
He stole the spell (because he is black).
>>47463224
goldfish has a deck up you could look at:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-wg-tokens-modern
>>47466345
I think that the Affinity deck can make you look like a good player.
But the deck pretty much plays itself.
Is jund fun? Whats it like playing and playing against it.
>>47467028
Well I only play affinity, but the Jund matchup feels kina 50/50 for me. T1 they like to thoughtsieze, which I love because they whittle down their health for me. Bonus points if they're dismembering my stuff. But mostly it's just a lot of removal spells, value, and swinging in with a goyf. It's the literal definition of midrange.
>>47467219
Well i have affinity now and want to start putting together either a modern deck or maybe a commander deck and if i get another modern deck i want something a lot different than affinity.
>>47467302
Play grishoalbrand
R8 my Jund build, its currently a little bit tuned for a control/slower meta. Im thinking about taking out Chandra/P&K for another Kalitas, and possibly slotting out a Thoughtseize.
Im also ripping my SB apart, but its currently looking like:
>1x EE
>2x Fulminator
>1x Finks
>1x Feed the Clan
>1x Golgari Charm
>1x Night of Soul's Betrayal
>2x Languish
>1x Thrun
>2x Painful Truths
>1x Pyroclasm
>1x Shatterstorm
>1x Slaughter Games
Thoughts?
How many proxies are usually allowed in Vintage these days? Also, where can I get decent proxies for $1-2 per card? They don't need to fool anyone.
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>>47462727
>Playing?
Elves, U Tron, Ad Nauseam, Bubble Hulk.
>Brewing
Runeflare Fever(Fevered Visions Runeflare Trap combo)
>Next MTG purchase?
Fucked if I know, whatever seems underrated at the moment.
>>47463224
There was a G/W tokens deck that went to day 2 at a GP so yes it can work but you don't need Doubling Season.
Bear in mind the G/W tokens deck was pretty much meant to be a direct meta deck against the Jeskai decks.
Counterspell, Force Spike, and Baleful Strix get printed for modern. Is UB control now a thing?
>>47467886
Surprised it's not mythic
>>47467886
Why is Chain Lightning uncommon but this is rare?
>>47468387
Because MaRo
Also because, technically speaking, Chain Lightning is a strictly worse Lightning Bolt.
>>47468396
Well I guess that makes sense. I thought you could also pay RR after your opponent bolts you back and rebolt your opponent.
>>47468387
Mate I will gladly take Chain Lightning at uncommon if Lightning Bolt has to be a rare(though as far as I can tell Lightning Bolt isn't confirmed in any spoiler list right now).
Bolt is a $2 card where as Chain Lightning is like $15-$20
>>47467678
>the way you ordered your creatures
Your autism is adorable anon. Anyways, I always say jund should run all 4 lilianas mainboard, she is just that powerful. I would also suggest huntmaster of the fells insteas of P&K for some more lifegain
>>47468408
You can.
>>47463837
asian with a blaster is better than a photoshop rip of a basketball player with dreds attached. At least dunky nig looks like a jeskai or temur monk or something.
>>47465952
I want an equivalent of "let me google that for you" to exist for the gatherer page.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&type=+[%22Creature%22]&color=+[B]&cmc=+%3C[3]
>>47468168
yes, but modern is for cucks.
>>47468600
>Chain Lightning deals 3 damage to target creature or player. Then that player or that creature's controller may pay RR. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.
Sorry, but you're 100% incorrect. Source is gatherer: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?printed=false&multiverseid=1563
>>47468682
The copy has the copy ability too.
10/4/2004: The spell copy has all the text and can result in itself being copied.
>>47468693
This is why Italian Legends chain lightning is the best: it can't be redirected
>>47468701
How so?
>>47468786
Italians cant be directed to do anything
>>47468806
>>47467886
Source?
>>47468839
It's fake.
>>47467886
>>47468275
>>47468387
>>47468396
What are you idiots memeing about? Lightning Bolt hasn't been revealed in EMA.
>>47468521
>Alphabetical order is autism
I dunno if you noticed anon, but the entire deck is alphabetical.
>>47465151
i am, i originally ran worst fears and it was cute but it was never as good as time stretch. now my primary helix shell is
loam
helix
flame jab
ravens crime
casting a time stretch (3 copies) usually into worldfire (1 copy) flame jab with enough turns or just WF flame jab raw on t3-4 is enough to demoralize.
>>47468786
They can't read it. A bunch of people only know that it does 3 damage.
Best feeling in the world is getting a burn ape by tapping Birchlore Ranger and 3 other elves to redirect a chain lightning to an eidolon
i heard you want to build that sweet jeskai
>>47462727
>Playing?
Nahiri, Affinity, Abzan Company
>Brewing?
Tweaking everything as I go.
>Next MTG Purchase?
Select EMA foils.
>>47462727
>Playing?
Skred, 8rack, naya tooth and nail
>Brewing?
Mardu a bit
>Next MTG Purchase?
Really fallen in love with grishoalbrand. I could just save up and get Jund in a month or so but I'm addicted to jank
>>47468876
Did you look at the creatures?
>>47466082
Combos with this
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ts/278.jpg
![278[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q9pIKjp.jpg "278[1].jpg")
>>47471954
>>47466082
>can build basically every blue deck in modern
>nothing left that I want to build
I need a new big project, shall I buildmodern jundorlegacy death and taxes?
>>47471991
Legacy merfolk desu.
>>47472117
I have modern merfolk and chalices so that wouldn't even be that pricey but I don't think I like the deck that much
>>47471991
DnT, always.
Hey, I'm mostly an edh player, but if I were to make a budget version of the Jeskai ascendency combo deck with out the fetches and with fatestichers replacing the hierarchs, and adding in a little more control, would it be viable? At least be ok long enough to build it properly?
I would be running playsets of BoPs, Fatestichers, and Sylvan Caritids
>>47473944
The deck is bad when built properly, I don't think a budget version is a good idea
>>47467678
>white boardered bolts
do you think this is a game family
>playing spellweaver helix
>have helix + SSG + flame jab in hand, worldfire + flame jab in my grave
>opponent combos off with sword foundry + whatever for infinite life + tokens
>"concede?"
>"do you win this turn?"
>"i have infinite life and creatures"
>"okay lets pretend you have 100000000 life and creatures"
>slap down spellweaver targeting WF + FJ
>"that doesn't work"
>"yeah it does, pass priority"
>"no i get it, gg"
this deck is so fun. i feel like if graveyard hate wasn't everywhere it could be tier with tweaks.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-14-modern-turbofog/
In a creature heavy meta, like my lgs, this might be funny!
And not super expensive
>>47466979
>But the deck pretty much plays itself.
how so? the pros have mentioned that affinity is one of the hardest decks to play in modern
Sell it or nah?
>>47475588
It has a lot of nuances but it just isn't hard to pilot. Not that guy but I played it for over a year and none of my wins felt that great.
It's also a coin flip whether you just get hated out and can't play magic. That's lame
>>47466118
also essential for any black deck
>>47475163
I'm considering revisiting it now that I have grave trolls, and I want to use Ancient Stirrings in something. The card is busted.
>>47466302
>Learning how to build a deck from scratch is basically a waste of your time and money.
>no fun allowed in muh competitive collectionable toy game
as if there wasnt any fun into building your own deck and remuneration when after several attempts you adjust it in a way that steals games from the established big decks.
>>47475631
Price'll only drop after the hype around UWR dies down due to lack of a tournament finishes and Standard stabilizes to midrange creatures staring at each other, sell now.
>>47462778
Every single fucking thread this shill is one of the first posts. And that's why we can't discuss magic on 4chan.
>>47476118
grave trolls won't get there. they're an expensive creature that would eat a path otherwise dead in their hand, but they dredge for a lot. unless you want it for a faithless looting engine or something, which i could see throwing in one copy or whatever but you'd never try and hard cast it. ancient stirrings is alright but the fact that it doesn't mill you sucks. straight mill/draw gives you access to all of the deck's tools. i don't know exactly what your list is, though. if I don't have a helix in my hand, I'd want an ancient stirrings, but if I do, I'd certainly even take a tome scour targeting myself before I'd cycle a card for 1 mana. I'm running glimpses mainboard, and they're amazing.
that said, it's kinda magical christmas land but using faithless looting and dredging 12 seems great. i'm currently running 3x time stretch 1x worldfire 1x sorin's vengeance for copy targets but i've been looking to remove sorin's so i could toss in a GGT or maybe even just go up to 4 time stretch.
>>47475631 Damn that makes her sound sexy.
Hey guys I need help on this situation.
If someone blinks Gideon ally of zendikar off the field with essence flux does Gideon lose all loyalty counters? I ask because I know creatures lose 1/1 counters when they are blinked.
>>47476281
when a planeswalker ETBs, they enter with the number of loyalty counters listed. he doesn't lose the counters, it refreshes his base number.
>>47476281
Ask Pascal Maynard
>>47475159
Real men use white boarder bolts, all in different languages and 2 of them discolored.
>>47477398
>not the premium deck series bolts to make your deck look more expensive than it really is
Do you even spike?
>>47477432
But that doesn't trigger autists at all.
>Playing?
Taking Turns
>Brewing?
Budget Infect
>Next MTG Purchase?
Playset of Ancestral Vision and Thing in the Ice
Why the hell isnt this Modern legal?
Why did they do a functional but shitty reprint of it with Honor of the Pure? I just want my classic White Weenie deck with White Knight , Silver Knight , Savannah Lions and Crusade
Thats some classic magic
>>47478384
20 Plains
4 Savannah Lions
4 Elite Vanguard
4 Student of Warfare
4 White Knight
4 Silver Knight
2 Ranger of Eos
2 Hero of Bladehold
4 Path to Exile
4 Crusade
4 Honor of the Pure
4 ????
>>47478384
Because Crusade buff all white creatures. Why would you want your opponent to also get buffs? Honor of the Pure buffs only your white creatures. And the colorless adds variety to splash in other colors e.g. BW Tokens.
Scenario time. You're playing against Merfolk and they play first. You drop your Savannah Lion on your turn 1. They play Spreading Seas on your fucking Plains when you were planning to play Crusade turn 2. Tough shit, change of plans. But hey, guess what? You can play Honor of the Pure because you can use the Island for Colorless and still swing for 3.
>Functional but shittyHere's your (You)
>>47478384
Honor of the Pure is an improvement in every way bar the sweet art and name, I'm sure if you really wanted it you could pay someone to alter the art.
>>47478619
Ok its not that Honor of the Pure isnt strictly better. Its that Crusade is a classic magic card theyll never reprint because of shitty SJWs. The art is iconic and the card is iconic.
>>47478701
Yeah but i dont care about it being functionally better. I care about the sweet art and name. I just want to play the most classic white weenie deck at Modern FNM
How ridiculous are these triple sleeves?
Would you use them? I think they're pretty and they show off foils well.
>>47478719
>SJW
What? Are you sure you're talking about the right card?
>>47478384
They should reprint this in Kaladesh for maximum keks.
>>47478927
Yeah they dont want Crusade reprinted because muh muslims muh christianity oppresses lgbt and shiet
>>47464359
How do Asian people get to a gothic europe plane anyway?
>>47479367
>Someone somewhere actually believes this
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>47478843
I do mine with the outer sleeves facing the other way, personally.
>>47462727
I wish I could be half as happy as LA Lakers #1 Draft Pick Snapcaster Mage
>>47480256
The last lands I need for Bogles are in the mail. I am excited, since frankly it's just the sort of deck I love to play normally.
Any advice on sideboard?
>>47481008
You got so many options dude. Suppression Field, Stony Silence, Nature's Claim, Rest in Peace, Pithing Needle, Gaddock Teeg. Any of these are good as your classic hate cards. Though not sure what your meta is like but Grafdigger's Cage is a viable option too.
I've seen a few lists run 1-2 copies of Retether as well. Fog/Holy Day/Ethereal Haze as well for Infect. Dismembers are also good here in the side if they're not mainboard already.
I'm sure there's a Bogles expert somewhere who can really help you out further though.
>>47481262
Thanks for the general words of advice. I do have Stony Silence, nature's claim and Pithing Needle already.
>>47481468
Personally speaking I would put in some Suppression Field's and Stony Silence since they get to heavily tax Liliana of the Veil and Spellskite activations heavily if dropped early. You'll also get the added bonus of messing up certain combos and hitting Affinity as well.
I really, really want to play Amulet Bloom. Its the only deck that I'm even slightly interested in. How do I play it and not suck eggs post Bloom ban.
>>47482183
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1265840
Don't know how good it is but it got 2nd in the tcgplayer modern states somewhere.
So what exactly is the difference between control/combo and just combo? I'm assuming one slows the game to assemble the combo and the latter has a ton of draw, little control except to make sure the combo goes off, and some ramp
>>47482454
Regular combo decks tend to be all. They accomplish their game plan and either win or establish dominance on or before turn 4 with limited interaction before that. Such as grishoalbrand, living end.
Then there are control decks whose win condition is a combo they can take their time to use. Like BTL/RUG scapeshift. And while I wouldn't call them "control" decks, there are midrange combo decks like abzan company and kiki-chord that have a solid "beat face" plan to supplement the combo and have plenty of interaction available
Of course all of this is my opinion and people are free to disagree and call me a faggot.
Does anyone wanna play on xmage vs dank spellweaver helix?
>>47482454
>>47482560
You're both more or less spot on in most cases in between determining combo-control and traditional pure combo decks. But in a simple nutshell what separates most of them is more or less pure speed but i'll divulge some more details.
A typical traditional pure combo deck is just aiming to assemble its combo fast and win with it and almost cares very little about what the other person wants to do. In modern Ad Nauseam is pretty much the poster child for the pure traditional combo deck where all it wants to find is its two card combo to win. Other combo decks are like "Storm" or chain based(e.g. Storm, Eggs and Taking Turns)where they're aiming to string and chain spells into more spells to setup the win. They're both combo decks but approach the combo aspect of the deck in completely different ways in terms of card selection type(tutoring as opposed to cantripping with giant loads of mana or extra turns.)
Control-Combo decks don't aim to win as fast as possible but take their time to safely assemble the combo win like Scapeshift, Mono U Tron, Abzan Company decks and the now defunct Splinter Twin deck fit in this category. Instead of aiming to win on the fastest turn possible they play a slower game but still threaten some possible early turn wins making it hard to predict. Splinter Twin was pretty much the poster child of the Control-Combo deck before banning, there's a Deceiver Exarch or Pestermite on the field but you don't know when that damn Splinter Twin is coming down.
tl;dr traditional combo wins fast out of nowhere, control-combo makes you think you're both playing a game of interactive magic and you're both even but suddenly they make you lose.
>>47481008
2 stony silence
2 rest in peace
1 path to exile
3 nature's claim
2 gaddock teeg
4 leyline of sanctity
1 grafdiggers cage
That's my bogles sideboard. I usually 3-1 or 4-0 my local events with it.
>>47475631
Traded mine for a Forbidden Orchard Expedition. How bad did I fuck up?
Bad camera but Foil Arid Mesa
>>47478843
There's literally no point to triple sleeving.
>>47462727
>playing
4c BTL Shift
>brewing
UW hatebears, BUG midrange bullshit
>next purchase
some pieces for the black shift variant
>>47478843
I find the idea of triple sleeving hilarious to me.
>>47478843
>Triplesleeving
Thats only for extreme autists and retards.
Double sleeving is absolutely enough unless its a fucking alpha blacklotus and you shouldnt even be sleeving that thing anyways.
>>47484388
Forbidden Orchard sees play in like 1 vintage deck and that's it. There's no demand for it, so I would say you fucked up.
>>47478563
3x Kytheon
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Thraben Inspector
4x Icatian Javelineers
4x Soldier of the pantheon/Student of the warfare
4x Thalia's lieutenant
2x Mikaeus the Lunarch
2x Knight of the white orchid
27
3x Honor the pure
3x Brave the elements
2x Wojek siren
2x Gather the townsfolk
2x Dismember
1x Path
11
20 plains, add mutavaults/caverns/horizon canopies if you have some cash to burn.
Here's your new weenie. At least you can call it playable.It isn't even that good tho, monogreen stompy tier at the most.
>>47462778
Look up Villa Zheng on youtube.
>>47465952
Hypnotic spectre, vampire nighthawk, dark confidant
>>47485492
I think you miss the point of these sleeves. They are to protect sleeves that are out of print and you don't want damaged.
So if splinter twin came back would you be happy?
>>47487649
Happier.
>>47487649
About the same. I like twin, but I like the format as it is.
>>47487649
My friend could regain his smile. I personally don't mind, side in a couple Torpor Orbs.
>>47476222
Mind sharing a list?
Need some advice.
I'd like to play grixis control over grixis Delver (wich is complete) but I don't have ancestrals, creepings and Kalitas.
Here there are the cards of my grixis shell.
2 Goblin Dark Dwellers
2 Kolaghan's Command
2 cryptic
4 serum
4 Thought scour
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Tseize
4 bolt
4 remand
4 mana leak
2 Painful truths
1 anger of the gods
1 drown in sorrow
2 tasigur
4 gurmag
4 young pyro
2 thing in the ice
3 Snapcasters
2 Pia and Kiran
2 terminate
2 dreadbore
1 vendilion
1 keranos
1 batterskull
Any suggestion?
>>47482454
Who asks these questions? How do you function in life?
Are alters worth the tilt factor? I don't want anything specific, just opponents asking why I paid even more money to destroy $1000 worth of cards.
>>47488570
It's not so much tilt, as people will just think you're a bit of a loser. Especially if those are the alters you want.
>>47488631
Like I said, I don't much care what's actually on the cards. I just need it to make people involuntarily exclaim "what the fuck" without violating global rule 15.
>>47488570
Speaking of alters, I'm seriously considering getting my playset of Snapcasters altered. Tiago's butterface is starting to be a bit of an eyesore. A bit dry for ideas at the moment, you guys got any suggestions on what to do for the art? Only rule is its got to be sfw, and no pop culture references. I'm not going to make him fucking Darth Vader or Batman or some shit.
>>47489595
Geistblast-eqsue art of him killing Geist of Saint Traft.
Trippy Terese Nielsen style art.
Recoup meets Recollect, blue mage finding cool spell swirly stuff.
Make the spell hes flashbacking backfire, obscuring his face.
Stasis style art.
>>47487649
Yes. Everyone would keep spellskites in the side again, and hate out all the faggot boggle players as a side effect.
>>47475997
Well then moderns lame, there's sideboard and main board hate for like 80% of modern decks, what's your fucking point?
>playing?
Living end and grixis control
>brewing?
Mono black midrange
>next mtg purchase?
Cards for a Geth edh deck and alters for my living end deck
Making a dredge list, I love adding spicy one-ofs and having as many lines of play as possible, even if it lowers the consistency.
Any spicy dredge cards? Stitchwing Skaab is performing really well. Considering Drowned Rusalka as a 5th bad neonate, but maybe not.
Also, tormenting voices/wild guess/dangerous wager or goblin lore any good?
>>47489595
just paste the original lightning bolt art over it. you know you want to.
>>47462727
>>Playing?
mono-white D&T because it shares a few cards with legacy D&T and the (rest of the) cards are bin rares otherwise.
>>Brewing?
no more brewing, i've sold out of modern and standard in favor of buying a new hardtail mtn bike.
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2016/Bikes/mountain/XC-Hardtail-29-/nine-3.aspx
>>Next MTG Purchase?
nothing at all unless they print some compelling legacy D&T tech.
>>47489595
Wizard snapping wand/staff in half to cast the spell as a last resort.
Pick your favorite blue legendary/creature and have them depicted reanimating a spell from a tomb/scroll/magical object (Tamiyo with a scroll is an easy pick for this. Geralf picking at the brain of a Skabb also works)
Mother of runes in snapcaster's clothing
Kird ape in snapcaster's clothingSlippery Bogglein snapcaster's clothing
A snapcaster enacting some kind of board wipe effect. (Wrath of god would have a blinding light forming above him, Damnation would have dark shadows, Supreme Verdict would have mist and gale winds, languish would have him starting to rot and boggy waters churning at his feet.)
A snap caster snapped in half
Snapcaster being visited by a flickerwisp/restoration angle
Snapcaster getting bukaked in the style of the Serum Visions promo
>>47489595
If you were looking to keep most of the design of the original art, you could have the device on his arm resonating with the most common spells to use him with.
Red glow and filled with lighting for Lightning Bolt.
Swirling, silvery liquid for Serum Visions.
Bright, radiant light for Path to Exile.
For the last, probably something like an Electrolyse or Lightning Helix.
Then just do a helmet/hood if you don't want to see his face anymore.
Are 3 Kalitas too many main in Grixis? He's never a bad card to have out, and the deck he hurts the most runs a set of Path.
>>47466979
That's not even true at all.
>>47479367
>Crusder of Odric
This is false and you are also wrong and dumb
>>47478843
looking at the floral patterning makes my dick hard. what do i google to find that sleeve
>>47488155
The sweepers and the young pyromancers seem to clash. I would add spell snare and maybe angler.
>>47492355
I think three might be too much, because he is bad in multiples. Plus Grixis shouldn't run more than 9-12 creatures.
>>47488155
2 Tasigurs and 4 Gurmags are too many delve creatures I feel. also I count 22 creatures feel like it's too many for a control list.
>>47479723
SPICE TRADE
The only types of decks I like to play are stupid combos and super fast bullshit like burn and infect, so naturally I'm bad at memeing it up with memerange decks. Someone help me out here.
>>47494903
>Someone help me out here.
PLAY INFECT YOU MONG
>>47485028
>>47485005
How does it feel trying to flaunt your penis size and noone even glancing or giving a fuck?
What are some key cards I need for a casual 5-color deck so my mana isn't screwed? Price doesn't matter since I'll be printing it out and putting it over a common.
>>47495286
5 mana confluence
5 city of brass
5 chromatic lantern
5 of each moxen
5 prismatic omen
>>47495208
I would but people at my shop keep on bullying me, calling me cacerous aggrofag.
I wanna join the memerange master race, but don't want to blow a grand on goyfs.
>>47463837
>>47464359
I've hated the original Snapcaster art since it was printed, so I'll take anything over it.
>>47495341
Look, you can run 6 but then you're spending too many slots on fixing
>>47495332
Just play Taking Turns and bully him back then.
>>47495338
Even a nigger?
>>47495373
Yes.
It's a shame because the original art was much better before they replaced the face.
>need Lilianas for every single deck I want to make
>>47495273
that's not a penis, those are magic cards.
>>47495286
all the moxen
>>47495332
infect them, billy. infect them all!
I used to play magic back in the day when I was a youngster, how should I get back into it? Are there ways to but a bunch of cards in bulk, or would it be best to just buy a starter pack or two?
>>47495639
ABANDON HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE
>>47495639
Well for this format (modern) you'll want to buy the cards individually online. They can run anywhere from a few dollars to hundreds
how fun is ad nauseam? anyone have a good decklist without the original zendikar duals?
>>47495991
>how fun is ad nauseam
is fun maybe the first three times you combo off. Grizzle B. is a lot more fun IMO
>>47496019
i just got into magic earlier this year, so far ive build tooth and nail, mono G aggro, soul sisters and a homebrew ramp/stompy. tooth and nail is getting stale though, ive found i like combo what is grizzle b? i know its gristlebrand but im not familiar with that deck
>>47497135
The "official" name that people like to call the deck is GrisShoalBrand
Its a combo deck that utilizes Goroyo's vengeance, through the breach, and nourishing shoal to do stupid shenanigans like drawing your entire deck and then using borborgamos enraged to do a fuckload of damage.
Its the only modern deck currently able to get turn two kills, but its easy as shit to hate the deck out of existence.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12231&d=270389&f=MO
I'm a faggot though and like to call the deck "Grizzle B. & Borgy B."
>>47494639
Right now I'm running
>4 Snap
>2 Jace
>1 Clique
>2 Kalitas
>1 Dark-Dwellers
>2 Tasigur
So 12 creatures in total, plus manlands. I've considered TiTi, but it really doesn't play well in my shell.
>>47497632
>FtV 20 Jaces
Nice, I love curvy bitches too.
>>47497632
would you want 1 or 2 baby jace if you could play a full set of mind sculptors? You can always block and flip in response to jace deaths but youre still paying the cost for his flashback spell making it hard to drop the replacement mindsculptor. Hows the synergy between the two in your experience?
>>47495991
You don't even need the Zendikar duels for Ad Nauseam. At most you'll play 4 fetches with a 2/2 split between Polluted Delta and Flooded Strand.
>>47497414
>"Grizzle B. & Borgy B."
>>47497414
Jeskass can pull off a turn 2 every now and then as well
>>47492297
>A snapcaster enacting some kind of board wipe effect. (Wrath of god would have a blinding light forming above him, Damnation would have dark shadows, Supreme Verdict would have mist and gale winds, languish would have him starting to rot and boggy waters churning at his feet.)
I really like this one
>>47498785
I've never actaully seen a modern Jeskai Memecendancy deck
Mind linking me to one?
>>47499022
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/421902#paper
More or less like this. You can add jank as you please, it's a pretty flexible meme. Manlands/zendikons/genju can act as mana creatures, interaction can be added in fairly easily like path/bolt/swansong etc as long as theres still majority cantrips, and you can add various memes like sprout swarm or Pyromancers ascension.
With a wish sideboard you can custom-fit your memes, and young pyromancer/monastery mentor can act as a cool backup plan if you expect a lot of enchantment removal.
Some next level tech, add a single Mystic Speculation. Haven't regret it since adding it, and it looks fucking CRISP.
>>47499339
Not the original guy but I've been looking into this for awhile. Does it actually have game?
>>47497632
I really enjoy your list. How consistently can you find your one ofs creatures in any given game.
How do you guys test for modern? You're supposed to play like 10 matches in a row maybe making little tweeks along the way right? Whenever I test with people at my store we play like two sets and then they salt off and play edh. Would you test against RG Scapeshift if you were playing Grixis or would you just leave after a bad match and call it a day? Aren't you supposed to test bad matchups so you can overcome them?
>>47500375
There are bad matchups and then there are the "Infect vs Trons" which are solved from the get go unless the 90-10 favored player mulligans to oblivion. Some matchups just don't have enough meaningful decision trees/possible branching outcomes to make practise worth it, eg. Ad Nauseam vs Jund, Tron vs Infect/Burn, Storm vs anything etc.
>>47500554
If im the RG scapeshift player what am I supposed to test against to get better then? So far Grixis, Kiki Chord, and UB Tezz dont want to test anymore.
>>47500685
Probably UWR because they the most counterspells. Against Infect and Affinity you just mull to removal or t4 kill.
>>47500375
>Whenever I test with people at my store we play like two sets and then they salt off and play edh.
Find dedicated modern players, people more willing to put in the effort to improve their game. It helps to have a deck that one is expected to face in decently-sized event. I play Affinity and ppl are generally eager to test against me because you're bound to face at least one affinity player in any given tournament.
>Aren't you supposed to test bad matchups so you can overcome them?
If it's overwhelmingly bad, you ignore them. There's nothing you can do about those matchups without sacrificing percentages on your other matchups.
>>47497414
The correct name is "Bad Tin Fins"
Next purchase? Leaving modern in the dust and starting legacy until i've got like 2 legacy decks.
So I'm a casual player wanting to move into more competitive play. I just got my first job as a white-collar cuck for life and although I am still poor as fuck, I want a hobby that will make me happy even if I am slowly dying inside.
I know I am begging for help and you have no reason to give it but just a few pointers would be nice.
Personal requirements:
- Something that can win or possibly place at my local game store events if I become good enough.
- Has flavour creatures/pretty cards/ over all nice aesthetic (not fairies because I have a friend already doing that but would have been a nice idea).
-Around/bellow $600
-no mill centric
-something that will be viable for a while (I know this may be impossible)
Something I have been considering, it's a copypasta deck I know I'm a faggot:
2 Clash of Wills
4 Dragonlord Ojutai
2 Dragonlord Silumgar
3 Foul-Tongue Invocation
2 Grasp of Darkness
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
3 Languish
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 Painful Truths
1 Read the Bones
4 Silumgar's Scorn
3 Ultimate Price
Land
3 Caves of Koilos
4 Choked Estuary
4 Island
2 Port Town
3 Prairie Stream
2 Shambling Vent
1 Submerged Boneyard
4 Sunken Hollow
4 Swamp
Sideboard:
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Dark Petition
2 Dead Weight
1 Dragonlord's Prerogative
3 Duress
1 Infinite Obliteration
2 Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet
2 Negate
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
1 Virulent Plague
Cards I own and love:
2x phrexian obliterators
2 archangel of thrune
4x ulgin, spirit dragon
1x Karn the liberated
3x wurmcoil engin
>>47502487
>Cards I own and love:
>4x ulgin, spirit dragon
>1x Karn the liberated
>3x wurmcoil engin
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12520&d=272175&f=MO
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12476&d=271808&f=MO
>>47502530
I REALLY want to build this but how does it hold up against burn. Is it competitive?
>>47473944
>hey can i build a 3+ color deck without good mana fixing
uhh, sure, you can build it. But playing tapped mana sources is like giving your opponent a free Time Walk.
>>47502567
I should amend this, is it competitive since many people know about it?
>>47502567
Tron often has problems with fast decks like burn and infect but it is competitive.
>>47502567
You win burn post-side with Feed the Clan in addition to Pyroclasm/bolts and t3 Wurmcoil. And prayer.
>>47502611
>>47502644
Thanks to you both, I will go with these suggestions. I wish I could show my appreciation more but this gif will have to do.
My friends and I made a proxy 12 deck gauntlet from the most recent modern decks to look out for. I really liked the titan shift deck and wanted to build it over the summer. I already have Naya burn built and would like another deck that isn't tier 1 but is somewhat viable. Scape shift has always seen some play in modern but is the new titan shift deck just going to fade away soon or is it decent enough to stick around.
Thoughts?
>>47500375
>How do you guys test for modern?
I just test by myself using cockatrice. Much faster and since I see both sides, plays are more optimal.
>>47475631
>
>vous pouvez vous
quebecois fag
>>47502487
>that decklist
this isn't Standard.
Any good alter ideas? Cards that don't have a billion details (ravnica lands), are beautiful and are easy to get (no $50 cards). For example, the esper plains.
You guys think polluted Delta's and flooded strands will go up in price soon?
>he plays a broken meme format where even a 13 year old can buy his way to a GP final
>>47504366
>Standard is shit
>Modern is broken
>Legacy is way too expensive
>Lol Vintage
>EDH is casual garbage
>Nobody plays paper Pauper and MtGO is trash
Why can't we have one good format?
Just bought my playset of foil spellweaver helix. The time is now
>>47504513
Because MTG died when wotc reneged on their promise to finally stop making blue the only playable color.
>>47504513
They should just make Limited the only official format and release a new set to draft every month
>>47504548
But U is pretty bad in modern.
>>47504614
and shit in Standard right now
>>47466345
"you can't just play the top deck and suddenly get top 8"
mfw you are actually that retarded.
>>47504513
Blue is gimped
red is gimped
green gets buffed
black is gimped
white is gimped
this is why magic sucks across the board.
Hey guys, I'm trying to get into Memedern
What deck should I buy if I want to win while not actually doing anything that resembles playing a game of Magic the Gathering?
>>47489595
Make him into a cute anime girl. Bonus points if her panties are showing.
>>47504872
Infect, Affinity or Ad Nauseam. Burn is also a nice option but you need to target things sometimes so it might be too interactive for your taste.
>>47502487
Play Burn
>>47504366
basically this
a 13 year old kid bought his way into a fucking gp final.
and you still say there is skill involved in the game lol?
>>47505040
skill and luck are what determines victory
money are requirement to participate, you wouldn't think of participating in a bike racing without owning a bike
>>47505079
like i said, you are a fucking idiot if you believe there is any skill involved in playing magic.
play your dudes, remove threats whenever possible, inflict as much damage as quickly as possible.
how is that hard?
litterally all the kid did was play dudes that could not be interacted with as early as possible and swing.
>>47505158
It must be hard to suck this badly.
>>47505181
prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is actual skill involved.
That is litterally what you do, play dudes, remove threats, swing for damage.
>>47500221
Short answer, yes
Long answer, it has a certain notoriously bad matchup; motherfuckin burn.
http://stattrek.com/m/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx
With 4 birds (no nobles), 3 ascendancy, 4 gitaxian probe and 1 noxious revival, you have ~7-11% chance of pulling off a turn 2 combo. Thats pretty neato, but burn doesn't take kindly to decks being faster than it, and as such can either:
a) bolt your bird (their deck packs a lot of bolt)
b) EIDOLON, BROH
c) destructive revelry
I test a bit with my burn buddy and I've managed to win, but I barely scraped by. Sideboard should be primarily focused on burn. Swansong and leylines are a boon, and wear/tear and heroes reunion are nice too. Swangsong and tear can stop eidolon thankfully.
Try it online first, it's very solitaire and it can take a while to combo off if youre new to it, but IMHO it's very fun and challenging, as well as aesthetic and hip.
Favorite game was when I managed to combo through a Chalice on 1. Literally reached lethal with no cards left in hand, it was unreal.
>>47505210
Don't you think there wouldn't be such a thing as pro players if that was the case?
>>47505210
>prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is actual skill involved.
You've never gotten a GP top 8 and you never will.
>>47505381
and you have? lol.
also show proof if you have.
I think i'm getting better at piloting my burn deck.
i was going 1-3 for a while and now im more consistently going 2-2 or 3-1
I know it isn't much but i'm happy :')
>>47505531
I'm not that good.
That's why I haven't gotten there either (because skill is needed).
>>47502881
It performed quite well at the GP, I think it's here to stay.
A good deck to have too, basically if you want to go classic scapeshift you can just add 4 copies and have a different deck. Add some prismatic omens and bring to light, and you've got another deck. Add some amulet of vigor, bounce lands and some explore-type cards and you've got yet another new deck.
You can also pick up some arbor elves, utopia sprawls and a few nyx and have yourself a Tooth and Nail deck, or any of it's variants (like Valakut decks you can go in various directions)
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/modern-tooth-and-nail/
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27950_Mono-Green-Devotion-In-Modern.html
Basically primetitan gets you a lot of bang for your buck.
>>47505545
Burnboi here, tell me about the losses if you can recall them.
What's your sideboard like?
>>47505789
Not them, but I know some good cards for side in burn are: Destructive revelry (RG, instant, destroy artifact/enchantment, shock controler), wear and tare, skull crack, atarka's command (skull crack 4-8), Edilon of the great revel
>>47504614
>>47504620
>>47504548
The game is best when blue is the only playable colour. Ask any legacy/vintage player. It might feel like you're having fun playing other colours, but trust me you're not
>>47505545
Remember that you can use your Skullcracks for the "damage can't be prevented" effect too. So when someone sacs a Forge-Tender to stop your Boros Charm, you can blow 7 on his face. Or you can use it to make your Anger of the Gods hit that Firewalker
>>47505980
>Remember that you can use your Skullcracks for the "damage can't be prevented" effect too
Are you fucking kidding me. Burn players are so fucking stupid they forget the second line of a card? The first two lines are the reason they even play a 2 mana bolt.
>>47506077
With the amount of people I see not using it that way or from the posts here claiming that Atarka's is a better Skullcrack yes, people forget that it can do more things than stop lifegain. Also, a new player may not know how "protection from [colour]" works.
>>47506077
I've had people Rift Bolt themselves in the face because they suspended it with Leyline on the field and no creatures.
I've had people try to target me with Skullcrack with Leyline on the field, because they thought that would let them damage me with other spells.
I've had people declare attackers with Sanctimony and Ghostly Prison on the field, giving me four life so they could deal three damage.
The only decks I've faced with more retarded pilots were Pod and Twin.
>>47505684
What is the cost of this mono green in usd?
>>47505980
You can also stop a Wurmcoil from gaining 6 by bolting your own blocker predamage.
Hold onto a land too if you plan on topdecking a searing blaze, unless it's a fetchland.
>>47505248
Fuck, the deck looks really fun but my group has a whole lot of burn lately
>>47506139
>>47506200
So Burn players confirmed for having too many vaccines as children
>>47506532
Nah brah
>>47505248
Does the variant with interaction shore up the burn matchup?
How can you still combo reliably when you're drawing paths and Remands in that iteration?
I've seen some lists use the board to switch into a young peezy/mentor shell. You ever tried this?
>>47506139
>With the amount of people I see not using it that way or from the posts here claiming that Atarka's is a better Skullcrack yes,
Are you implying that Atarka's isn't a better Skullcrack? Its like if Kommand just had more text than Blightning with G in it's cost.
>>47507581
It can certainly muck up a chain, but a bolt or a path can also still trigger the looting ability. With 4 cards in hand, you can constantly be filtering into cantrips, and drawing a non-cantrip would only reduce your handsize to 3, which isn't unreasonable. Personally I instead run 1 noxious revival, 1 faithless looting as my non-cantrips, and unless the matchup has a lot of discard it can chain easily.
(8rack is also bad matchup, leylines are really really nice in jeskass). I've seen people run some Scarscales mainboard to help ofset running low on cards, but imo it makes things slower and less consistent
With 2 mana creatures in play, remands can act as cantrips in a pinch.
I'd say that you can comfortably run 4 interactive cards mainboard without too much pain, although each card you add slightly increases your chances of whiffing.
I personally don't run peezy since I went full wishboard forfun
Fossil find, hide//seek, assault//battery, many spicy options.
>>47508077
Thanks, gives me something to think about. Just can't decide between double ascendancy or the mana dork version. Definitely looking to make the deck though
>>47505684
I didnt realize how similar the decklist were, thats interesting. thank you
>>47508037
Yup, Atarka's sure is better for dealing with Kor Firewalker than Skullcrack.
>>47502487
Maybe tron. If you want to utilize those jaces you might want to play grixis, but that can be a tad expensive and well over $600. If you have the karns tron is pretty cheap.
