So, The Imperium isn't the baddies because chaos uses the eight point star that looks like a rats anus?
>>47407357
Anuses usually use a six-pointed star as representation, more an asterisk than an eight-pointed star.
In a nutshell?Yes.
>>47407373
maybe it's just me, but asterisk looks 5 pointed to me, see: *
>>47407373
The asshole is just an idea, you can convey it with as many spokes as you like.
>>47407357
No. The Imperium is the baddies, but just not as much the baddies as some of the other baddies. It's debateable whether they're the least baddy baddies or just contenders for the title of least bad baddy.
The fact that its usually carved into a face they cut off some guy is what you really need to be focusing on, not the star itself.
Human bones aren't an evil thing in that setting.
Fuck, they aren't an evil thing in reality either. Churches fucking love bones.
>>47407357
>Imperium:
>Skulls
>Chaos:
>Demon heads
Demon heads are more evil than skulls.
>>47407357
Here's the thing.
Nurgle, Probability tells us that there's an army for Nurgle marching under a rats anus.
If it can, It will happen its only a matter of time.
>>47407582
Said the guy with a rats anus as his flag.
To the untrained eye, the human skull is an all encompassing example of humanity. No skin color, no makeup, no dirt from the mines, just bare bones that everyone has. If the Imperium wants to instill a sense of unity in it's people it makes sense to use a skull
>>47407415
Asterisks are six-pointed in most writing and general representation, but five-pointed in word-processing and computer text. See your post and then the keyboard symbol.
I think that has more to do with the limits of aliasing and creating the symbol out of such a tiny space with so few pixels. A six-pointed asterisk is likely unreadable or more difficult to read at the average text size, but with one less point it can convey the same information in a more readable form. That's just my thinking, btw, I should probably google it.
>>47407640
Most people don't have bare bones, you skellie shill.
>>47407357
There are no good guys in 40k. That's the joke that 40kids doesn't get.
>>47407640
Even then human skulls are normally depicted with their skin.
>>47407636
>rats anus as his flag.
Would that be Turkey?
>>47407682
I'm pretty sure that Turkey's flag is just a five pointed star and a crescent moon.
>>47407676
At least the Orkz are honest about it.
Chaos players are butt hurt because their flag is an anus.
>>47407357
Chaos Magick is quite literally all about traveling to the asshole of the cosmos with your dream form and then try not to drown in psychic shit so you can get superpowers and destroy the universe.
>>47407676
b-b-but Salamanders
>>47407744
Orks is a pest that annoys everyone who's not an Ork. That makes them bad guys.
>>47407744
>>47407805
Orks are just a force of nature.
>>47407677
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relic
Imperium's got values heavily influenced by the emperor being a half-dead living relic permanently fixed on his golden throne, requiring the sacrifice of thousands of humans every day just to maintain himself.
It would be stranger if they didn't have human remains in all their iconography.
>>47407805
Bad to da bone, ya
>>47407829
>Orks are just a force of the Old Ones
FTFY
>>47407805
They don't try to pretend they're anything other than what they are, is the point. They don't murder trillions of their own kind and call it "a necessary evil". They call it "a bloody good laugh".
Their entire society operates on might-makes-right, they know that's how it works, and they wouldn't have it any other way.
>>47407830
you can have human relic with skin on, like Lenin
>>47407782
Yeah, after being comfy with their families they go out and kill some pacifist alien who was stupid enough to try diplomacy in 40k, by putting a meltabomb in their anus. All Space Marines are indoctrinated to just hate aliens for being aliens and will kill the shit out of them without even thinking of why they are doing it. Even if they would be unironic good guy aliens who could magic away Chaos, Necrons, Eldar, Orks and Tyranids they would still hate them.
>>47407892
True enough. Mummified remains have been a thing forever as well.
But most of them are going to be plain old bones.
>>47407829
So are mosquitoes then and they kill more people per year than any other animal.
>>47407840
Yup. The way it should be.
>>47407876
I said that they are a pain in the ass for everyone else. That makes them antagonising.
>>47407357
>Imperium of man
>man
>Imperium populated by humans
>the only space nation populated by humans
>bad guys
Go away xenos, you are not welcome.
>>47407676
>There are no good guys in 40k
>>47408207
>1984 Asian aliens in space are good guys because fancy rethorics about being good guys and clean looking design
>the same faction that mounted on their mechs those British surveliance cameras that was used to spy on their civilians are all about them civil rights
>>47407357
Everyones the baddies in 40k. Even the Tau, they are an expansionist collectivist empire.
>>47408207
There have, from time to time, been good guys in WH40K, but whenever they become poplar enough to cut into muhreen sales their not being Hitlers gets retconned so they're just as bad as everyone else.
Really, the only good guys are the orks and the nids. They're just being true to their nature. Can't get mad at a housecat for eating a bird.
Also those farmer eldar who get mentioned once in a while and whatever humans fucked off from the imperium, settled a remote world and are just waiting for the grimdark to blow over.
>>47408324
>>the same faction that mounted on their mechs those British surveliance cameras that was used to spy on their civilians
In English please?
>>47408472
Tau mecha have monoeyes, which kinda look like CCTV cameras if you squint hard enough.
>>47408472
the heads of Tau suits look like cctv cameras therefore they are evil?
I mean it's shit logic, but that's how I interpreted it
Something something greater good.
>>47407640
With superior Aryan skull shape, naturally.
>>47408207
"Good" isn't just a moral quality, it's a statement of quality. The only thing the Tau are good at is getting their shit stomped by Cato Sicarius.
Every time you "problem, astartes?" just remember that time that Sicarius and less than a hundred Marines slaughtered an entire Tau incursion into Imperial space. Your shit faction exists to make the Ultramarines look good.
Calling them good guys gives them too much credit...But calling them bad guys doesn't give them enough credit.
>>47407664
There's more skeletons than there are people, why won't you accept your overlords?
>>47407714
I thought it was a cockroach.
![Computerlife+used+roll+1+1+99+computerlife+rolls+90+_9c0a144d3a5440a45f9ff941ef32c104[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vwbiZZW.jpg "Computerlife+used+roll+1+1+99+computerlife+rolls+90+_9c0a144d3a5440a45f9ff941ef32c104[1].jpg")
>>47409491
>Picturing this in the tts sicarius voice
>>47408472
>>47408497
Tau society is a surveillance society where privacy doesn't exist and they exercise thought control.
Tau sterilisation programme
Enrolment is non negotiable
>>47407357
One day a man shall rise. He shall destroy the corrupt and stagnated Imperium and transform it into the Cosmic Caliphate. Then and only then shall mankind rise once again.
I always look at the Imperium as the good guys - if its for humanity it is good. War isn't fun.
>>47407430
They are the cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable, so how bad they are depends on your imagination.
>>47411182
>if its for humanity it is good
emps basically says as much when he talked to Jaq Draco
>NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY. IF THE HUMAN RACE FAILS, IT HAS FAILED FOREVER
>>47411182
The Imperium is written as something that is entierly loathsome, though. The intention was that you were supposed to be disgusted by it and not admire it. Most of it is based in mockful satire of the idea about how terrible mankind could become or has been. Even the corpse Emperor was never originally intended to be mankinds salvation, but rather instead he was just another dead end we would have hit and he was a symptom of how bad mankind had fucked up in the 41'st millennium.
>>47411285
That's basically a cosmic madman preaching propaganda. That is also from the same scene were it's revealed the the Emperor has several split personalities and they keep secrets from eachother.
>>47407357
No chaos are the baddies because they are horrible super murderers.
At least the imperiums slaves are just whiped and worked to death, being raped by a khornate bloodcrusherslayerXx 24/7 isnt exactly a bonus.
Remember, the term bad guy only works when you are the bigger asshole.
>>47411588
What about all those people that are shipped off in the black ships every single day to be fuel for the Astronomicon?
>>47407676
No, the cosmic joke is that the Imperium is the good guys, despite all the conventionally evil shit they do in the name of "good."
It's literally a setting of "The Ends Justify the Means," like any good tragic setting.
>>47407357
The only "Good" on warhammer is the tau, and that's debaitable thanks to ethical reasons.
just be an ork, they're the only faction that isn't evil.
>>47411430
>Several
thousands
from the thousands of monks and spiritual masters who combined their soul into the oversoul that is the emperor?
And they don't really keep secrets, they just delegate mental tasks because it's easier and more effective.
>>47411637
Then the Emperor is neglectful and unreliable as the ruler of humanity. Sevatar was right.
>>47411617
Still not the same as all of theur slaves being buttfucked by a nurgulite "happyrotcocksecretman"78;) everyday all day while they are also told to go do slave stuff.
>>47407357
>eight point star that looks like a rats anus
confirmed for never having seen a rat's anus
it looks nothing like the wheel of chaos
>>47408207
Aside from their form of government (which would be abhorrently authoritarian to the modern person) the Tau are evil because they are blinded by their own arrogance to the reality that A. There are much bigger fish in the pond than they are, and B. The Warp is real, and it's mean as all fuck.
While the Ethereals know of those things, they refuse to disseminate that information down the ranks and blatantly deny that it exists, and in the process cause untold problems for the psychic races under their regime and opening themselves up to corruption through indirect sources.
They are, like all races in 40K, a tragic race, and therefore doomed to fail in their own way when they start swinging their dicks enough for Chaos, Tyranids, or the Necrons to care about them, both of whom in-fluff they have an incredibly hard time fighting.
>>47411676
Chaos is only as dominant as it is because of humanity. It's a mirror of everything disgusting there is to be found with humanity in 40k.
>>47411692
...Why do you have an image of that?
>>47407676
That's the second degree of comprehension. The third one is that the imperium is the good guy, despite being 1984 on space steroids.
>>47411714
Still doesnt make them not the big bad next to the relatively tame for their universe imperium.
>>47411736
>not capturing the rats in your house and photographing their anuses before you release them so you can identify them later
how do you do pest control in your house?
>>47407416
>the asshole is an idea.
The ass hole is a social contruct! Forced on us by the patriarchy. You don't need to shit, you just been brainwashed in to think you do by Bigtoilet.
>>47411663
How does having a thousand of the most powerful and experienced psychic souls working as a team 24/7 to manage both the operation of astronomicon, keep track of all the warp fuckery happening in the whole galaxy, and still manage big picture decisions in the empire make him a bad ruler?
>>47411714
I thought eldar were a bigger contributor to modern warp bullshit? I mean the deldars even made a whole new warp god!
>>47411393
>Even the corpse Emperor was never originally intended to be mankinds salvation, but rather instead he was just another dead end we would have hit and he was a symptom of how bad mankind had fucked up in the 41'st millennium.
Well, the whole "guide humanity's evolution into a psychic species and protect it from hostile warp entities" was there from the start, even before Chaos was formally introduced.
>>47411663
Only the Big E can be the ruler of the Imperium because he is the only one who can watch everything, nudge the dice rolls and yet still save your soul in the end. You wouldn't want to be an eldar in the afterlife, but if you are a human, the Emperor really protects.
The only efficient administration on the Imperium is the one bringing psyker souls to feed the Emperor. Think about it. The administration doesn't even know the number of planets under their control, but the planets can be assured to see the black ships regularly. The production is erratic and badly managed, but psykers are harvested with a clockwork regularity. Logistics for everything are totally fucked up, except for bringing souls at the Emps table.
And yet nobody knows what he does with it.
>>47411847
Have a look at all those troops that Chaos fields. How many of those are Eldar? How many of those are humans?
CWE have their emotions in check, for the most part. DEldar get around it, though I can't really say if their lifestyle feeds Slaanesh or if they avoid this kind of thing. Exodite Eldar avoid all this by having a pretty normal life of mundane hardships and ascetic lifestyle.
>>47411936
>You wouldn't want to be an eldar in the afterlife
Except if you join the cult of Cegorach. Every Eldar should join him, he's the only hope for them.
>>47411918
A lot of things was on the table regarding what would result from the Emperor. Rick Priestley said that the original point behind the Emperor was that he was a dead guy running the entire Imperium and no one could be sure if he was actually doing anything at all. Everything about him was supposed to be speculation, prophecy and myth. Certainty was never supposed to be a part of the character.
>>47412016
He doesn't save all of them.
>>47411617
You know they aren't literally thrown into a furnace right?
>>47412138
Nobody knows what the Big E does with them.
>>47412138
They don't survive the experience and a furnace would probably be less painful because that burns away your nerves to the point where you can't experience pain.
>>47412109
All "normal" Harlequins are save, as far as I can say. Only Solitaires are in danger of getting eaten by She Who Thirst. But it is said that Cegorach will fight for their souls.Hey, this is still far better than all the other Eldar gods
>>47412180
>and a furnace would probably be less painful because that burns away your nerves to the point where you can't experience pain.
Again, nobody knows what happens to the psykers who are used as fodder for the Emperor. There has never been, as far as I know, any fact about it, only suppositions. Maybe they are buttraped 24/7 by the emperor's powers to feed him, or maybe they merely merge with him. Nobody knows for a fact.
All depends on which imperial world you are born. In the Republican world's they are likely typical good guys, take maccragge it's a reasonable world which looks to create well rounded individuals through a emphasis on perfection and being a great human being in general.
While a world like Armageddon or other hive world's, which are basically technological feudal society's they are baddies as they sallow the oppression of the masses, combined with mass conscription / press ganging of the population; while not trying to quell the basically civil war that occurs everyday, even probably continuing through an invasion, the tunnel snakes don't move to reinforce the iron jacks due to the argument over turf they had 6 months ago; the iron Jacks get wiped out oh well when this is all over new territory for the tunnel snakes.
The real question you should be asking yourself is what are baddies? People that implement draconian systems due to necessity or those that impose them for self gratification and gain?
Most of the worlds where people label the imperium as bad, don't look at the social economic pressures that are imposed on them by the environment of first the world, and second the galaxy.
Take a hive world, yeah 20-30k years ago everything was pristine, worked perfectly, then suddenly your living in bombed out wartorn suburbs, fixing it up as vest as possible while the now toxic environment seeps in and 90% of the systems are patched together with dual tape and chewing gum by the survivors.
Those living in the upper spire still have working systems not patched up, plus access to the greater galaxy, and now are able to impose limited amounts of control down the spire via trade agreements. Are they evil because they don't give a fuck about the people below the wall? Seeing them as a captive market, which can be exploited, or should they be praised for maintaining some sense of order, that at least gives the impression of laws and rules in a Era of "Mad Maxism".
1/2
>>47411789
I typically let my cat kill them off. Seems like the most permanent solution.
>>47412232
>>47412162
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astronomican
>>47412402
Press ganging a quarter of a hives population may seem terrible, but at the same time if it ellivates starvation, mass murder, and theft etc is it really that bad a thing? Eventually the survivors will have an opportunity to become colonists and recreate a society how they want to.
2/2
>>47411940
>DEldar get around it, though I can't really say if their lifestyle feeds Slaanesh or if they avoid this kind of thing.
It undoubtedly does, they just refuse to quit. Their souls are constantly being leeched away so they feed on the pain of others to revitalise themselves, and the required amount steadily increases as time goes on. They won't submit to Slaanesh, but they won't stop living in a way that feeds it either.
>>47412098
And yet there seems to have been an awful lot of certainty about him.
>"The Emperor doesn't consider himself a god, and originally the Adeptus Terra didn't either; they only came up with the cult of the "God-Emperor" as a propaganda tool, but now they all actually believe it, the suckers."
>>47412489
>And yet there seems to have been an awful lot of certainty about him.
Sure, but his original function was supposed to be ambiguous on purpose to make the people who worship and rely on him look like massive tools.
>>47409738
That's their president, we're talking flag.
>>47411940
Deldar defo feed slan. They do it indirectly by feeding themselves in the same manner as slan. By harvesting the soul through pleasure of misery. They greater the misery of the subject the greater the soul meal they gain = longer time that slan. Can munch on thier soul before they become a husk.
>>47412548
>massive tools
he's literally responsible for all reliable human space travel
Rogue trader wasn't satire, man. The guys who made it just liked Dune.
>>47412407
You'll never have a space wolf chapter that is space cats.
Cat priests, Cat Squad, Leman Cat.
>>47412678
Dune is a good movie, As for the book. I like the movie more.
Fade..
Anyhow, Most of the tech in dune is strangely in 40k. Laspistols and so on.
>>47412678
40k is directly derived from 2000AD's Nemesis the Warlock that is very much full of satire and irony. The Emperor is pretty much based on the BBEG from that comic that is the semi immortal ruler of Earth, or Terramight as it's called there. The BBEG wants to kill all the aliens and oppose the forces of Kaos.
>>47411226
That's a lie from everything we've seen from the Black Library. The Imperium is structured like the Holy Roman Empire and thus every planet/sub-sector is ruled independently. The Imperium as an entity is really just the Administratum and Terra itself, with everything else being left to their own interests so long as they pay their taxes. Governors are able to rule however cruelly or nicely as they will, and you can have guys who create paradise worlds or turn people into servitors for Jay-Walking (although that particular Governor ended up getting shot for corruption by space marines). You've got nice planets like Vostroya or Voltoris and shitholes like Catacha and Necromunda.
>>47412879
This agglomeration which was called and which still calls itself the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.
>>47407640
Actually, Text-To-speech seems to put it in the best way: "It's to show that even in it's barest form, the human body is beautiful"
>>47412879
Black Library is even less consistent than GW, though.
>>47413014
There is no consistency in a Stellar Empire spanning over a million worlds where communication between planets can be measured in centuries and every chunk of it is ruled as an independent barony that pays a tithe to a greater collective government.
>>47413046
I was more thinking about how characters are not consistent.
>>47412098
>>47412879
These posts have reinvigorated my appreciation for the awesomeness that is 40k
>>47407357
Everyone is the bad guy in 40k.
Everyone.
>>47412822
>40k is directly derived from 2000AD's Nemesis the Warlock
40k is a pastiche celebrating things the creators enjoyed. This is not limited to Nemesis the Warlock, and you damn well know it.
More importantly, Nemesis containing satire doesn't mean 40k was made as a satirical setting. It's played straight, because the guys who made it liked that shit.
>>47412407
I think you mean Final Solution.
>>47412879
It's arguably a lie according to GW's core fluff too, even in the early days. I'd still probably rather take my chances with the "cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable" than, say, the guys who "grew bored of a diet of human flesh".Or maybe since they grew bored of it, they might not eat so much of it now? Unlike the Imperium. Yeah, that would make sense.
>>47412407
But by normalizing the entitlement of humans to humiliate rats, we create a self-perpetuating societal system with which to keep down the rats.
>>47408526
Fucking amazing game should not be connected to tau.
>>47411430
Care to elaborate? The Emperor having gone mad is a fun idea.
"In the mid-70s, the science fiction and fantasy market took off, and
so did the toy soldier industry ... My job was to commission art for
the first edition of Warhammer 40,000. In the early days, Alan
Merritt, Rick Priestley and I were keen to supplant Dungeons and
Dragons ... [so 40k] is not Dan Dare, it is not Star Wars. Although
technologically advanced, it is medieval, quasi-religious,
superstitious, dark and frankly, bloody nasty."
- John Blanche, 2006
>>47411622
>>47411741
Wanting to call yourself good isn't the same thing as there being good.
>>47410789
I bet no one in Tau society minds that
>>47407357
>Led by a skeleton
>Only nation ever with an excuse for skull symbols>....yeah, still the baddies.
![[Rockabilly theme intensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yPZjh03.jpg "[Rockabilly theme intensifies].jpg")
>>47407357
Now don't you worry little man, lemme set ya straight here.
Ya see, we're the good guys, cuz we get the babes right?
Them chaos dudes, they don't get the babes cuz they're not cool like us ya see.
Besides, skulls are cool man, babe takes one look at them chiseled lines and she's like "oh mama" ya know? Shows you got the goods, 100% man baby *flexes*
>>47412678
Nah, it's satire of Catholic relic worship. No one was ever supposed to be sure if the emperor was directing the astronomicon, or if his corpse just acts like a lense for it.
There are heroes in the Imperium, but as a whole it's the absolute worst of all human impulses. Honestly it's sad how many players buy into the justification of what is in every way unjustifiable.
>>47409491
Typical butthurt imperial incoming.
>just remember that time that Sicarius and less than a hundred Marines slaughtered an entire Tau incursion into Imperial space.
Cato assembled a force out of multiple chapters which believe counted as more than a thousand marrine. The marine force and the Imperials in the Zeist sector kicked the Tau out. But it turned out, that the Tau forces in the sector were a diversionary forces meant to distract the Imperium from the bulk of the Tau forces that are spearing their way into the Imperium. The gains the Tau main force got offset the losses in Zeist many times over. Cato was too dumb to see that he was being rused.
Furthermore, when the Imperium realized what happened and retaliated against the main Tau force, the Tau utterly curbstomped the marines. This ended with hundreds of marines getting slaughtered in battles across different planets and the death of a First Founding Chapter Master. The Tau outrused and outfought the marines and the Imperial as a whole at such a masterful degree that Imperials should be ashamed.
So each time you see "problem, astartes?", remember that Tau have kicked the teeth of the Space Marines and that Tau have proven themselves objectively better in "quality" as commanders and warriors than the Space Marines.
Your post should be made into a case study to show how butthurt Imperialfags love to shamelessly lie.
>>47418841
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>>47418841
>writing a lengthy "no u" reply to an eleven hour post
do you need some soothing cream for that butthurt, bro
>>47416238
Ont because they don't had much of any other Tau society besides their Greater Good to compare it to. It's a cationary tale about complacency.
>>47418841
Yet they were utterly crushed by Orks.
The only thing your post proves is that Tau are just still the same scum-sucking shit faction that exists purely because of the most powerful plot shields in 40k, bigger even than those of the Ultramarines. Every threat to them has to be dialed down to baby level, or forced to hold the idiot ball and run with it.
>>47419060
This was more an FYI for all than a response to that guy. So everyone would know the Tau's superiority to mahreens.
And it wasn't a "No u" , you simpleton. I tore that guy apart and showed he was a lying prick. Even if he was here, he has nothing to respond with. What is he is going to say other than " I spoke with a foot in my mouth"?
You supporting lies not being address means that you support misinformation, which means you are a part of the problem. Get out.
>>47419160
Your asspain in response to verifiable canon is delicious.
>>47411736
I've come to not question /tg/ on such matters.
>>47414341
I like you.
>>47419129
>Yet they were utterly crushed by Orks.
Again, with the fucking lies.
The Tau Empire won all their wars with the Orks and just lost a handful of battles to them. They were never "crushed" by the Orks. The Tau don't consider the Orks as much as a threat as the Imperium and Tyranids.
So where did you get that "Yet" from? The same place you got your original post. YOUR BUTT!
>The only thing your post proves is that Tau are just still the same scum-sucking shit faction that exists purely because of the most powerful plot shields in 40k, bigger even than those of the Ultramarines. Every threat to them has to be dialed down to baby level, or forced to hold the idiot ball and run with it.
11 hours ago you were celebrating the Ultramarine plot armor and holding it up over the Tau. When some gentleman points out you are full of shit, now you begin to complain about plot armor?
You hypocritical worm.
Get this straight, if you want to play who is better and go by the fluff, then you will lose. You have already lost already. Tau are superior than marines, that's an objective fact.
>>47413411
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBKXu3Kg4yg
>>47419174
>verifiable canon
What do you mean by that?
Anyways, look >>47419129 the guy is still here 11 hours later. He responded even with more lies and butthurt,
So I was right to write up my post. That's delicious is that someone tried to use the fluff to feel superior when the actual fluff makes him out as a complete loser.
>>47418875You're not wrong, but he's generally known as something else now.
>>47419268You replied to him. Which is me. You have fallen to my trap.The Kauyon was been sprung
>>47407416
that book was kind of weird
>>47419294
Welp, I had a feeling but for some reason decided you wouldn't have done that. Guess I should have known better.
>>47419268Autismo?
>>47415878
>[so 40k] is not Dan Dare, it is not Star Wars
>It is however 2000AD almost wholesale in places
Not that this is a bad thing. 2000AD is possibly the best comics label on the planet.
>>47411158
>implying Imperium isnt Cosmic Caliphate
the Emperor was born in Turkey
>>47419901
Turks didn't even exist when the Emperor was born, m8. Much less Islam.
