Do you think Warhammer Total War is going to revive interest in regular Warhammer Fantasy?
Also(and if so), don't you think its going to be confusing to newcomers, who decide that they want to start the table top, and instead of finding Warhammer Fanntasy, they instead find generic space fantasy knight shit rather then the History inspired Empires of the Old World
Nice oversight on Geedubya there
>>47398459
No, it won't restore it.
GW has decided to shit on your fat neckbeard feelings and aim for the dosh of young teens and their unwitting parents.
>>47398551
All the young teens I know are far more interested in 40k
Not sure why GW thought the he-man aesthetic would appeal to...any demographic.
>>47398459
nah it won't help the tabletop game at all. it will just create an interest in warhammer themed video games.
>>47398893
>All the young teens I know are far more interested in 40k
Which is why they turned fantasy into AoS, which is not!40k
>>47398459
videogame developments starts years before the game is made.
Total war was beign developded far before Aos, and GW when sold the license obviously didn't told them they were going to nuke the setting.
>>47398459
Do we really need 2 threads of this exact same question? >>47392642
>>47398459
The problem with whfb is cost of entry, both in time and money.
A couple of editions ago, a 16 model unit was a big unit. Now 40 models is not uncommon. And that is just one unit.
>>47399744
This. As much as I love WHFB, the cost of entry was a huge pain to convert new players. I have friends who love the setting, but don't want to spend so much on an army and rather play something skirmish based.
>>47398893
mate, I fucking love He-man
>>47399744
16 Models was your regular block you didn't just buy as speedbump or redirector, but your point still very much stands.
6th Edition was the High Point for Newhammer. Any rework or fan edition should have started there, not the shitshow of 8th.
>>47399389
Guess GW and Creative assembly didnt co-ordinate their shills very well
>>47400767
>I don't say 'shill' as a cheap insult, I actually believe companies care enough about this website to try and win people over here.
>>47398459
Warhammer Fantasy died when they decided to publish that... aborted monstrosity.
The game looks pretty dope though. Hopefully it is not another Rome Total War 2 debacle.
>>47398459
>People don't realize that this is a long term plot to re launch Fantasy
>>47404536
>that... aborted monstrosity.
8th?
>>47398459
GW has opened today a section for its site dedicated to the miniatures that also appear as units and characters in total war
...a few weeks later having killed bretonnia, grimgor, thorgrim, ungrimm, gelt and other units.
>>47399744
This. Also 8th edition made the people who like movement-based play get the fuck out. In the end WHFB was nothing more than an excuse to put minis in the centre of the table and roll dice until they were all ground down.
>>47404834
Same with every tabletop game?
What do you expect from a wargame exactly?
>>47405505
>Same with every tabletop game?
Movement, lethality and non-random charge distance ?
The only thing keeping interest in Warhammer alive is 9th Age.
Age of Sigmar was a complete failure, in PR and quality.
>>47405515
I'll give you random charge, but unless you were a shit player playing with shit players movement was very important. Not sure what you mean by lethality.
Also, compare it to the alternative. Age is JUST a clusterfuck in the middle or scenario shit.
>>47404720
And then you have the abort of the aborted abomination. I can think of only three good minis (the little gryphon, one of the slaughter priest and the orc chaman, and even then they are over priced) but god damn the game is a mess. And about the quality... Mang that was harsh, shit fluff, art and aesthethics, fucking nothing works. But it seems some people are eating it up, so some hidden thing I can't see lures them.
>>47405585
Age isn't the alternative to WHFB tough, it barely compute as a game. The alternatives are 9th age or local not whfb, KoW or Lion Rampant if you like generic like ones.
>>47405585
>Not sure what you mean by lethality.
In 8th edition, since most units were steadfast and flanking was a strategy that was costly for no real reward (random charge distance helped that), combat between units lasted turns upon turns. Compared to 6th edition or other rulesets like KoW, it was boring as shit.
>>47398459
LAST HOURS UNTIL LAUNCH, ARE U READY FAGGOT?
>>47404711
>>47398459
> Drop Warhams
> Make Age of Shit
> Make tight-ass vidya
> Increaslingly shit editions of AoS
> DLC/Sequils to TW:W & Other vidya
> Re-Launch "Warhammer Fantasy," in 4-6 years when hype is at maximum
Of course, knowing GW, they'll wait 1 year too long and hype will already be dying back down
Someone got the lord celestant rules for silver tower?
I bought him on the app but he wont unlock
>>47400735
6th was good, 8th was a shitshow
>>47405624
>But it seems some people are eating it up, so some hidden thing I can't see lures them.
It's fun and I can convince normie friends to buy a box and a general and do escalation league. The new CEO is actually doing good stuff. The shitshow that was the AoS launch was Kirby, new guy has so far - added awesome models, added discounted boxes, added points, listened to the community, opened FB page... It's getting better.
>>47406041
I haven't seen any awesome models other than the Goblin scuttlers.
Unless you mean 40k.
The GW website is advertising Total War: Warhammer miniatures.
They also have a new CEO who has relaunched specialist games, starting with Warhammer Quest.
If they truly want to revive Warhammer Fantasy while saving face, they would just have to reduce AoS to specialist game status then act as if it never happened.
>>47406041
I don't see the awesome models myself, cad stuff and over designed than doesn't seem to have much soul in it, but that's my opinion. The facebook thing and discounts are a good thing, at least Gw is doing some basic stuff in the internet age, but they also have eliminated entire ranges of stuff than was beloved for lots of people, and the minis we are getting are honestly not that hot for plastic and over priced. Plus the setting is a train wreck and the quality issues are very glaring ( I will not post the green map but you know the one). GW had to re make fantasy, it has so much shit than was dragin it since the first editions were it was a pseudo rpg game, but the result is very lacking for what I seen. A revival of mordheim and streamlined rules would have been the smart move, keeping with the times plus saving the setting, not that.
Plus for starting newbies I don't see AoS as a good option, until the points you will not have a way to make balanced games with ease, scenarios are one trick pony for what I remember plus you don't have narrative helping like improvign game to game the units and that stuff. For that I would use other skimish games, like Song of blades and heroes, than is simple but with well tought rules than aren't easy to break, plus not tied to a setting so you can make your own stuff as crazy or fluffy as you want. Only my rant.
>>47398551
Almost all the young tabletop players I see think AoS
is full of shit and are much more interested in 40k as a result
>>47406186
>The GW website is advertising Total War: Warhammer miniatures.
Nine miniatures, the most expensive for their factions plus Mannfred and Kemmler under the wrong names. With one sold out.
Brilliant.
>>47398551
The young teens are going for X-wing or directly over videogames. WHFB was made thanks to the word of mouth and when you caught sight of those big battles between two enthusiastic dudes in the flgs.
Plus it seems like it only does well in some places,Living in Spain I didn't see any AoS game in an eternity, while other games are flourishing. In a way we are living in a golden age of wargames with awesome minis from even the tiniest studio like Kingdom death, GW was the Big fish but lately it only seems like a reference to how don't do things.
>>47406346
We know X-Wing is top dog in North America sales.
Although they are going to start hitting the ceiling on expansions soon. They're running out of ships in the continuity with artwork, unless they do some like the Lady Luck by guessing at visuals or making more old flight sim ships from bad polygons to sculpt.
>>47406542
There entire movies (and the entire Clone wars) without having to resort to that.
>>47406232
>they also have eliminated entire ranges of stuff than was beloved for lots of people
I don't get the Tomb King stuff, but Bretonnia hasn't had love for over a decade, and evidently no one bought the boxes for them.
>the minis we are getting are honestly not that hot for plastic and over priced.
The Maw-Crusha is amazing imo, as are the Tzaangors in the new box but to each their own.
>Plus the setting is a train wreck
It's getting better as well, there's some actual interesting lore coming out now, but yeah it's a bit shit.
>GW had to re make fantasy, it has so much shit than was dragin it since the first editions were it was a pseudo rpg game,
Yeah agree
>Plus for starting newbies I don't see AoS as a good option, until the points you will not have a way to make balanced games with ease, scenarios are one trick pony for what I remember plus you don't have narrative helping like improvign game to game the units and that stuff. For that I would use other skimish games, like Song of blades and heroes, than is simple but with well tought rules than aren't easy to break, plus not tied to a setting so you can make your own stuff as crazy or fluffy as you want. Only my rant.
I agree but it's better than WHFB 8th for newbies, and if they wanna play Warhammer then other games are out of the question. Points and narrative gaming are coming this summer, so hopefullu that will make it playable rather than just kinda fun.
>>47406657
They have every ship from the non-Clone Wars era primary continuity, aside from like three or four pirate ships.
Or Kylo's shuttle, but that thing sucked.
>>47398459
Email gw customer services
hello yes I recently played your new game
and was told it is built on a miniature gaming system
I think I badly painted some when I was 12
anyway I cant seam to find any of these figures from the game on your website
>>47406783
You'd get back an ad for Age and a link to the $1000+ bundles.
so I have until 9am to decide but I dont think I can make my mind up by then
even if I sleep on it
what faction do I play 1st
thinking chaos or skeles
>>47406858
I can only give you my personal feelings on the matter. Only you know what is best for you.
"Chaos a shit, spine is fine."
>>47406684
>Maw crusha.
The cabagge dragon? I dunno, it seems a tigrex and lettuce hibrid to me, with a love for sweets. Plus I can get cooler dragon for a fraction of the price from reaper. About the setting I didn't see anything than seemed interesting, Old Wh had some amazing setting inspired in the Renaissence HRE and pop stuff, from classical vampires to aztec lizards, and had lots of historical look alike units or parts of the fluff than were great to spark interest in historical nerds like me. Plus some awesome fluff bits than were funny and had a very light hearted athmosphere (like Skarnic or what was his name,the fat goblin than wrecked the empire that one time and even reached ulthuan). Meanwhile the fluff of AoS than I read was try hard, like the later 40k stuff. At least in wh40k you have the amazing forge world books with quality everywhere with lots of trivia and attention to the detail about weapons and that stuff, like the Horus heresy books for example. I don't see the same soul in AoS.
Also saying than AoS is better for newbies, yeah, I agree, but Mordheim would be a better start than either too, even with his little faults if you don't want to abandon GW. Outside him you have loads of them, and a good chunck better for hooking your friends (frostgrave if he likes mages).
>>47407043
*Better than WHFB 8th edition.
Heck, that part was important.
>>47407043
Yeah, they are apparentlyt going to re-release Mordheim so I'm looking forward to that.
>>47406015
That's what I've been saying. Which is why it boggles my mind that most fan projects for a 9th Edition upgrade pick 8th as base and not the actual base game, 6th.
>>47407099
Sorry I was agreeing with you, replied to wrong person. 8th edition was needlessly complicated and OP seplls
>>47407043
For $50 less than the Ork Protodrake, you can have MA'AL DRAKAR, DRAGON TYRANT!
The size of a human torso.
>>47406858
Skellingtons have amazing possibilities for themed armies AND you have several manufacturers that produce great miniatures for them at dumping prices.
Skeletons all day, erry day
>>47407094
Depending of the minis, it could be goods news, tough I doubt I would play it, GW doesn't know how to make games anymore.For narratives games SoBaH is my preffered, has plenty of options, shame isn't very popular in this board.
>>47407172
Dang, not bad. Not as awesome as other but at least the price is fucking good.
>>47407094
They are not going to release Mordheim. The setting and city is gone and they'd be creating a direct competitor for AoS. That would be completely insane, even by GW standards.
>>47406273
>Emperor Karl Franz which is on all their promotional material is now "free guild general"
Oh lordy
>>47407238
Honestly, Reaper is my favorite company.
I hope I can customize my army and units in game
>>47407248
>They are not going to release Mordheim. The setting and city is gone and they'd be creating a direct competitor for AoS. That would be completely insane, even by GW standards.
They're releasing more specialist games, I think morheimer and blood bowl are confirmed. The idea is they come with miniatures which have warscrolls you can use in AoS, so they're selling models and alternative games, much like Silver Tower.
>>47407299
Necromunda AKA Mordheim in spaaaaaaaaaace is confirmed.
Mordheim is rumored.
>>47407299
If only they could have cared half of this with WHFB, but nope, AoS stuff, fucking dammit.
>>47407285
For cheap monster they are very good, Mierce could have better models (far expensive too) but the reapers ones are awesome.My prefered company is momminiaturas tough, dem price, dat quality.
>>47407342
>>>47407299 #
>If only they could have cared half of this with WHFB, but nope, AoS stuff, fucking dammit.
Blame Kirby. Not even kidding. The new CEO is desperately trying to fix Kirbys stupid ass decisions (and yes that includes AoS).
>>47407342
Yeah, they have good stuff.
Might be because I had a huge boner for Greek and Egyptian mythology as a kid, but I love Crocodile Miniatures.Not just for the catgirls, I swear.
>>47407377
I just want the old setting back and alive again.
I refuse to touch Age or any new models because of that absolute garbage lore.
It makes Uwe Boll movies look good.
>>47398459
Age of Sigmar is here to stay. Your shitty Tolkien ripoff is dead and rightfully so.
>>47407377
Too late for me, GW doesn't have anyone from the good days, even if the CEO was rick priestley himself I would be wary because they don't fucking hesitate to kill entire ranges for they shareholders. Why I would invest the stupid amount of money you need for something than could be unsuported in a few years with luck?
>>47407518
Amen.
There is so much whining that I can take. I knew that the Total War game will flare them up but I was not prepared for it.
>>47407518
>Is here to stay.
I wouldn't be sure, unless is doing as well as 40k.
>>47407569
It's doing better than WHFB was, also they wouldn't can something after a year. It would be at least 2-3 before they decide.
>>47407694
From were do you that, also the source count last time buys from the brets and tombs and all the rest of the old stock of wh as a source for the numbers?
>>47407238
Who is this semen demon?
>>47407834
Cang the Implacable, 10th Anniversary Dragon from Cool minis or not. 300 dollars for the legal one.
>>47407518
>>47407549
Slav! You learned to write English!
Good on you. Now fuck off.
>>47407518
As opposed to the DC Comics ripoff of a Tolkien ripoff?
>>47407942
Can you imagine being a drunken Slavic subhuman who hates Warhams so much you sit in a chair shitposting about it all day?
>>47407979
Isn't saying "drunk Slav" redundant? Like American fat or Spanish sheepfucker.
>>47408040
Spanish sheepfuckers? That's new, lazy yeah, moors too, but sheepfuckers?
>>47408063
Spaniards and the red-haired bottom bitches of the Brits generally get the sheepfucker insult, although to be fair any European can call any other country in the Euro zone that.
>>47408040
I though the Welsh were the sheepfuckers? Whilst Arabs lust for the fine behind of a goat.
I wasn't aware Spaniards were in on it.
>>47407942
>Thinking I am the fucking Slav
I am offended beyond belief.
>>47408448
You were seperated at birth.
Your mother and I wanted to tell you all these years.
>>47407287
not yet, tw never had a army painter and it won't get one now. They said that MAYBE on the future if it is really asked for
>>47398459
>they instead find generic space fantasy knight shit rather then the History inspired Empires of the Old World
Listen, I liked WHF too, but let's not pretend it wasn't one of the most generic settings in fantasy history.
>>47409998
Name a similar setting?
>>47409998
It's generic because it helped establish what "generic" meant.
Green Orcs would not be a thing if it weren't for Warhammer.
>>47407481
>inb4 Age of Smegma : The Movie realized by Uwe Boll
>>47408202
>>47408239
Realistically, only the inhabitants of the British isles and their colonial brethen are fucking enough sheeps to deserve this title.
>>47410079
Warcraft helped define green orcs, not some minor tabletop game.
>>47411726
spotted the millennial
>>47411726
Rly?, tell me then why green orcs existed in the '83 edition of Warhammer Fantasy. Remember Warcraft was originally a Warhammer game. Never forget this. Blizzard lives off GW rep
>>47411953
Orcs in Tolkien were green already, with sallow skins, but other tones like brown, yellow or even pink existed. So no, GW didn't invent green orcs. Also GW has ride other fantasy or sci fi lead for years, from Tolkien or Moorcock to Dune and Heinlein.
hey guys? Will the game increase activity for the tabletop game? I always wanted to play this but everyone always played 40k or lord of the rings.
>>47411726
I know this is bait but warcraft was originally going to be a warhammer rts. but negotiations fell through.
1994 blizzard was a smaller company then 1994 GW, don't be blinded by modern scale.
>>47412069
Yes I know, But Tolkien (As great as he was) did pinch a lot from norse and germanic mythology, but hey what they say is 'the best artists steal'
>>47412169
They changed enough that it was its own thing personally I like the Warcraft orcs where they are clans and you got power hungry orcs like Garrosh, Guldan, Grom, then you got the peaceful Orcs like Durotan, Thrall, Orgrim.
>>47412203
WH fantasy is too much like Lord of the Rings imo which is why it failed and warcraft took its place. Warcraft created its own high fantasy genre.
>>47412238
WH fantasy isn't anything like Lord of the Rings. You don't sound familiar with either.
>>47405505
Doesn't sound like Warmachine, Hordes, Infinity, or Malifaux to me.
>>47406232
>scenarios are one trick pony
Seems to have worked out well for LotR
>>47407043
>Plus some awesome fluff bits than were funny and had a very light hearted athmosphere (like Skarnic or what was his name,the fat goblin than wrecked the empire that one time and even reached ulthuan). Meanwhile the fluff of AoS than I read was try hard, like the later 40k stuff.
There are funny bits in AoS too, if Fantasy has more it's simply because it was around longer.
>At least in wh40k you have the amazing forge world books with quality everywhere with lots of trivia and attention to the detail about weapons and that stuff, like the Horus heresy books for example. I don't see the same soul in AoS.
FW generally blows GW stuff out of the water so I'm not sure why you're trying to compare the two.
>>47412111
In general I can only assume that it might convince some to dig their forces out for a game or two.
But overall, not really measurably. I don't think that there is gonna be anywhere near as much overlap between tabletop and PC play for this as there was between Dawn of War and tabletop back in its day.
I'd like it to be otherwise but I honestly can't think of a single oldskool (or at least, pre-8th edition) WHFB player I know that's also invested in PC gaming beyond playing stuff like world of tanks here and there. Largely because the age range on that 20+ people is in the 30s and 40s, lacking the time to do wargaming and PC core gaming.
Mind you these people were part of that surprisingly large but forgotten chunk of the player base who gave up during 8th edition, long before AoS came along to really seal the deal.
>>47411782
if you're under thirty six, you're a millennial
>>47407099
Because most of the people who were into the game because of 6th or 7th Edition seemingly left when 8th was released and thus are content to have a game that builds on the former.
>>47407172
>>47407238
These aren't bad, but honestly for Orcs I like the Mawkrusha since its squat and more snapping turtle like appearance seems to fit better.
>>47413203
One of the nice things about 6th was that the points system was reverse engineered and found to actually be fairly consistent. Not so much for 7th but that's when army books really went downhill in quality, Hard.
Shame the website I used to reference for it is looong dead.
>>47407248
FW said they're going to get around to working on Necromunda and Mordheim after Bloodbowl and Adeptus Titanicus.
However whether it's the same Mordheim or something different remains to be seen, probably won't know until late 2017 at the earliest.
>>47410023
There may not be a lot of settings like it, but Fantasy is arguably made of generic components.
>>47411782
As far as things stand, people nowadays probably do associate orcs having green skin with Warcraft more than they do Fantasy or 40k.
>>47409972
Shogun 2 had an army painter so there's a good chance we see one for Warhammer eventually.
>>47411726
>retard child thinking Warcraft came before warhammer.jpg
>>47413241
7th was an even better system than 6th, it was just that GW stopped caring about balancing the army books. 7th edition with 6th edition army books is the best Warhammer system there is.
>>47411726
lol, get out, kiddie
I bought this and I'll probably regret it, Total War games get shittier and shittier. Warscape is shit. But its only the second game I've bought this year, so whatever.
>>47412238
>whfb is similar to lotr
do u even know fantasy lore bro?
>>47415663
It is...like, the teeniest, tiniest bit Tolkien related. But that's just because Tolkien is a giant that every fantasy writer has to deal with at some point or another.
But besides, you're right. Orcs aren't corrupted elves or servants of an evil demigod. They're fucking sentient cockney fungus critters turnt on beer and bloodlust
>>47415709
Was the fungus thing ever actually shoe-horned into fantasy? It wasn't as far as 6th.
>>47415820
I...
I am not sure, actually
>>47415820
If they don't or ever did not, then what did/do they do to reproduce?
>>47415820
>Was the fungus thing ever actually shoe-horned into fantasy?
Yeah, 8th ed made it that ork spores were carried into the Warhammer World through Old One ships.
>>47415820
Never mentioned. Night Goblins are big on fungus, but no WHFB material states their method of reproduction as far as I know.
>>47415983
I don't recall that. Do you have a page by any chance?
>>47400883
It's proven that they do. Nice try, redshirt.
>>47416007
8th ed rulebook in the fluff section concerning the Old Ones entering the world. Don't have my rule book on hand, but its there.
>>47416023
I belive you; I just like double checking these things. Danke.
>>47415943
They had females.
I've never read up on early Fantasy, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't really out of step with D&D.
>>47415943
There's female orc models for Bloodbowl. Chances are that's exactly how it worked.
>>47416584
>>47416169
There also used to be half-orcs in the setting.
>>47398459
AoS posted better sales than WHFB so it's fine
>>47406858
>>47406975
>>47407175
Join us brother
>>47417401
>last chance sales of WHFB posted better than than AoS so it's fine
>>47419155
Could be true, but could also not be. There is no real way to know.
For example, one could easily argue that the reason a lot of things went out of stock quickly (Such as Lords and Heros) wasn't because there were too many buyers, but because there was so little stock.
>>47419220
Well, have they sold the limited edition books for AoS then? For WHFB they were sold in less than a week.
>>47419254
>Well, have they sold the limited edition books for AoS then?
The AoS rules are all online for free. There is little reason to buy the books.
>>47419254
That's completely irrelevant to the original question which I assumed was referencing that AoS made up 30% of GW's sales in the last quarter which some misread as AoS being 30% of GW sales in total.
>>47419315
Having the limited edition book is not a matter of rules, you can have the same ones in the little pamphlet. It's a matter of liking tha game, the universe, the artwork, etc.
>>47419350
You do have a bigger incentive to buy the limited edition codices and army books though since you need to buy the rules anyway.
Of course it's impossible to tell how many people buy the limited editions to have and either buy a normal copy or digital copy for play purposes.
>>47419401
Don't you have a ugly cabbage dragon to buy ?
>>47419946
Maw Crusha is better looking than any Fantasy Dragon by far.
>>47419220
Yeah its up in the air but I think its more likely that people were panic buying old models when GW killed half the WHFB line rather than attributing it to a massive spike in the number of people starting Sigmarines, Mirroredslayers or Khorne Blood Bloods armies.
>>47421760
This desu, also how common are games for it? I don't see any but my country didn't like AoS a bit.
>>47421687
Nearly all reaper dragons are better, and the bones ones are cheaper too. If you mean whfb I didn't like them too, too spindly, but the cabagge is too ridiculous, it only works a bit because wh orcs are the comic relief.
>>47398459
>Do you think Warhammer Total War is going to revive interest in regular Warhammer Fantasy?
WHFB couldn't save itself, why would a niche video game do anything to change that?
So Age of Sigmar is to WHF what Reqiuem is to the World of Darkness?
>>47422770
Not even close.
More like if Vampire went from being about vampires to 'Vampirren' in a post apocalyptic world based off of power metal covers.
>>47422794
good lord
>>47422383
>WHFB couldn't save itself
GW completely fucked themselves over by letting unit sizes creep up. In 7th it was at the point that a single kit of infantry wasn't a viable unit in itself, and 8th only made that problem worse. The entry cost for Fantasy became prohibitively expensive even by GW's standards, and that strangled the game.
>why would a niche video game do anything to change that?
It's a niche hobby.
>>47412238
Guy just shut the fuck up.
Warcraft and it's lore is complete garbage. It doesn't matter what it ripped off, since nobody in any market anywhere would steal anything from a setting so completely asinine!
"Muh prodigal son turned evil'.
'Muh noble savage misunderstood race'.
'Muh undead threat unites everyone"
"Muh evil and good elves"
"Muh goofy Scottish dwarves and goofy goblins, oh and don't forget pandas!"
"Muh constant racial stereotypes"
Fuck you man it is LITERALLY complete shit, I've played all three of the Warcraft games with my buds and I regret the time I put into it. Only the first one was noticeable whatsoever.
'High Fantasy', Jesus Christ guy it truly amazes me how stupid you are, you must never of read a good book in your god damn life.
At least original Warhammer had some well done story arcs and at least an iota of depth.
>>47405705
> i just want my new bloodbowl models and more general interest.
>>47404834
No, you just described AoS.
>inb4 you got to play the missions
no, the missions are shit and end up in everyone meet in the middle and roll dice.
>>47412238
>WH fantasy is too much like Lord of the Rings imo which is why it failed
t.retarded
>>47412238
>warhammer fantasy is like Lord of the Rings.
Probably bait but, for someone like myself that isn't a lore guy for warhammer, I can tell based on the tech level of WHFB that they are completely different.
Just because it's got elves and dwarves and Hobbits and orcs and magic and shit, doesn't mean fantasy settings are the same.
>>47413203
>Because most of the people who were into the game because of 6th or 7th Edition seemingly left when 8th was released and thus are content to have a game that builds on the former.
That makes a lot of sense, considering I pretty much stopped playing after the release of 8th edition too.
I wonder if there is a community waiting for an updated and polished 6.5 Edition out there.
>>47423265
its so true, I follow the premier AoS blog (tabletop gamer's diary) and the majority of scenario batreps end up that way. Hell some of the scenarios have you play on nearly empty tables.
>>47423265
Pretty much.
Played a basic "kill the comander" game from the demon set at the store, and it ended up being two groups clustered together until the Sigmarines captain and his dragon steed smited the Khorne leader and his dog.
>>47398459
Hell will freeze before that happens.
GW making Fantasy return would equal that they were wrong with canning it. At this point they are like Blizzard (in the latter's case undoing the changes of WoW having greater accessibility, making it more forgiving and easier, as well doing all the bullshit things to the lore and story would mean that they were wrong).
PRIDE lad. PRIDE is stopping them from doing it...that and a shitload of money they put into AoS.
>>47412238
LoTR doesn't have Steam Tanks, Ratmen with lightning-hurling hamster wheels and Ogres that can be everything.
> I secretly hoped that AoS was a new coke thing
>waited for GW to bring back "old" warhammer
>keep waiting
>waiting
>still waiting
>kill me now, it is hopeless. GW is run by fucking stooges.
You see I hope it will. I always have, but too be honest it is fucking hopeless. Even if it hypothetically gets the WHOLE world into the old warhammer setting, GW would be too stupid to realise the profit. They are going to keep on doing this AoS bullshit. GW is run by old men who know nothing about tabletop games, and that's why you should always expect the worst from them!
>>47425742
*you see, i hope it will.
sorry
>>47425742
I wouldn't play Warhammer even if it were re-introduced. Spoiled by better systems like Kings of War, that don't have individual model removal. I'd buy the models, though.
>>47424436
It's more like the sunk cost fallacy - even if they'd be better off if they reversed course, they feel like they've invested too much to turn back now.
>>47416710
Half-Orcs could have been created the same way Beastmen were created.
>>47398459
I don't see GW bringing back WHFB as a tabletop wargame. Maybe as smaller boardgames or old minis at best. I would however be mildly optimistic of the prospect of WHFB living on as a videogame franchise, possibly pnp RPG's and in novels.
>>47425835
Beastmen are mutant humans, Orcs aren't. Orcs aren't chaos affiliated; you can't mutate into an orc the way you could a beastman, or even a skaven.
>>47425759
>Kings of War
the best thing Mantic ever did was NOT have a retarded shit like the WS/BS and instead say " you must roll above this number to hit and to defend."
>>47425916
Some Beastmen were created from farmers fornicating with their livestock on nights when Morrslieb was full.
>>47425916
If you can splice human and animal genetics via Chaos, why not human and Orc genetics?
>>47428283
Orcs reproduce asexually.
>>47429707
Beastmen weren't created through sex but by twisting existing creatures.
They are too stubborn to ever bring it back
Even the making of videos use Kings of War miniatures out of all things
You are better off switching to KoW or another game entirely at this point, good things simply can't last forever
>>47430104
Someone noticed that already in the WHFB general. Do you think GW will make them pull the video off?
Wait this shit has denuvo?
Whoops
>>47412238
Yes, orks are actually just deformed elves.
That's what WH orks are.
Goblins, too. They're just deformed elf kids.
>>47421760
It could have nothing to do with a spike, simply the fact that during the period AoS made up quite a bit of GW's releases.
>>47422128
>Nearly all reaper dragons are better
Appearance wise I think it's subjective, some of the dragons posted earlier in this thread really don't look like anything special to me personally.
>it only works a bit because wh orcs are the comic relief.
That is kind of its appeal, it meshes well with Orcs.
Not even going to get into the argument of whether or not it can fly because I think GW has always been about making something look plausible, not authentic.
>>47423190
To be fair, Fantasy also arguably makes use of good and evil elves and racial stereotypes.
>>47430688
>To be fair, Fantasy also arguably makes use of good and evil elves and racial stereotypes.
also the goblins are pretty goofy in Warhammer too, but if he aknowleges that Warhammer does some of the same things he's disparaging Warcraft for it might hurt his strawman argument
>>47430011
Beastmen reproduce sexually, with either other beastmen or with humans. In addition, due to Chaos energy, they can be born to non-mutant humans as well.
What evidence is there that AoS is doing well?
Anecdotally the three local stores have all stopped carrying any non-40k Gdub stuff. Its all XWing and Infinity where Fantasy used to be.
>>47407518
>Your shitty Tolkien ripoff is dead and rightfully so.
>>47417614
Where are those pumpkin bros in the back from?
>>47423265
Which sounds like Fantasy to me
The Fantasy games I've seen involved two people setting up across from one another and letting their forces crash into each other. The only difference is that because Fantasy had facings, they maybe tried to come in from the side.
Oh yeah, they also had units whose purpose was to go fast and take out war machines hiding in the back.
>>47424436
It's the money more than anything, GW has recently shown they're willing to admit they made mistakes in the past. Specialist Games and LotR getting support alone shows that.
>>47425993
WS/BS really is only good for the simulationist feel. Removing it didn't really do much because you didn't have a ton of different results, you almost always needed to roll either a 2, 3, 4, or 5. That is a far cry from the systems used in Warmachine, Hordes, and Infinity.
>>47432717
There isn't much concrete evidence, but there isn't much concrete evidence it's doing poorly either. Both sides are completely anecdotal.
Finally.
It's time for WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
>>47430688
You thing Cang the Dragon isn't anything special? Well you have a case of plebeian taste but isn't mortal. Also the cabbage dragon isn't bad, it's only too ridiculous for anything than isn't wh orcs (or a veggie army). For his price I could get a full mantic undead army too but that's me.
>>47398459
I've been wanting to get into war gaming for a while but Total Warhammer really got the spark lit.
Would've loved to buy a Daemon of Tzeentch army since you could use the same units for AoS and 40k but I can't find a set for a decent price.
Are there any chances i might find some small box of bretonnian grail knights yet?
I just want them as memento, i always liked the style
>>47406743
They can release repacks, as they haven't milked that dry yet.
Really, they can do anything with X-Wing. Even the rumoured 'mass exodus' after revealing non-movie ships never happened. Hell, even the world champs sold out in like 3 minutes.
>>47398459
when will ogre kingdoms get their book? i thought they were busy finishing the order of destruction.
>>47398459
I have now 20 solid hours into the game.
I'm what can be called a "veteran" but only started 15 years ago.
I will never ever buy a single mini (to play with) ever anymore. the game is just beyond the shit tabletop rules of 7-8-9 etc.
no need to paint, glue or whatever.
I'll still buy X-wing to play and some AoS fig once or twice a year to paint, but I'm never ever going to play the tabletop version anymore.
>>47436664
>mantic
So what do you guys think of Total Warhammer so far?
>>47422794
>'Vampirren'
You mean Vaempyre.
>>47398459
>play the game
>huge 40k fag but never had any interest in fantasy
>wish I knew more of the lore
>the game is already dead as I, for the first time, start to wonder about it
>>47432717
Same here, all the AoS stuff has gone clearance locally. But nobody played Fantasy before AoS dropped, either, so that's not really a change.
GW will only pump money into a losing investment for so long, so we just have to wait and see whether they slowly slide AoS into the corner or keep trying to push it.
>>47439620
>>47432717
There was a guy claiming to be a GW employee who said AoS was 50+% of sales in GW stores in the UK, but wasn't moving at all in US FLGS.
>>47422794
>in a post apocalyptic world based off of power metal covers.
That sounds so much better than what it is, or was I haven't really kept up with it. There's an official point system now?
>>47440385
>There's an official point system now?
Coming in summer, along iwth a Narrative Play system that has your heros levelling up and gaining magic items over a campaign, which I'm super hype for.
>>47413203
>That pic
Its our spiritual liege all over again
The AoS models and toys actually are getting boost in sales from Total Warhammer fanboys.
This might actually revive the series. But Most of the casuals don't know that Fantasy was discontinued and AoS replaced it.
>>47441241
It is a tragedy...
So what happens when GW runs out of its Fantasy stock since its selling like hot cakes because of the game? Will they actually revive it if the game is popular?
>>47430163
That would imply they care anon
>>47436664
Looking at it again and up close, it's nicer than I originally thought, not sure how much the paint job is having an influence though.
>it's only too ridiculous for anything than isn't wh orcs
Then I guess it's a good thing it's part of the Orc range?
GW doesn't really do generic fantasy or science fiction models. They do models that take their aesthetics into account with the assumption that you're going to use them along with other models in the range. It's something I like because it tells me that those behind the model are actually taking the source material and other models into account and helps the model to feel like a part of a greater whole.
>>47440949
Uh, no it's not. It's the standard of Orcs taking or imitating something they think looks cool.
Two of foremost Stormcasts are colored gold and silver, so its obvious why Orcs would want to emulate such armor.
The Ironjawz are also primarily known for cobbling together their own sets of armor, so they probably have an interest in looting for that reason as well.
>>47441339
Do you have anything to actually back up the Fantasy specific models actually selling well? The nine Total War models are all still in stock on both the US and UK stores.
>>47422794
>Post-apocalyptic world based on power metal covers
This makes it sound much better than it is
>>47441536
They used to do generic fantasy, heck they used to do minis for other settings, it only changed after they entered into the share market than they started to try to make the IP different of everything else. And cang must be the best Dragon mini out there, look for it in the net for more awsome pics of the details and the impressive center piece than he is.
>>47438762
Cheap, good and well made, and they are characteful. And I can use them in other settings without that much of a hassle, so premium purchase.
>>47441241
so where did you get all that info given the game is out for like, 2 days ?
The average gamer didn't run to the next GW store...
Stop being a faggot.
>>47442090
Keyword being used to, back when they were doing work for other people and Fantasy and 40k only came about so they could have rules for the models they produced.
I doubt shares had anything to do with, it's simply that as 40k and Fantasy developed their own universes that began to influence the models. As I said before the models feel like parts of a greater whole and I enjoy that.
In a way it's why I don't really care for Mantic's KoW stuff. The models that aren't aping Fantasy are just generic models with no real tie to a greater universe and that makes them kind of boring to me. Mantic skeletons may be cheaper than GW, but I would always use the latter for a Vampire Counts army.
Admittedly if Mantic's models looked better, that would probably offset some of the genericness.
>>47442364
Some look good an not generic at all, like the centaurs, salamanders or the niades, others are classical and well made like the abyssals, while others are bad like the fucking drakon riders and sisters of battle, I swear the fuck they tought to give them green light. About who looks better it depends a lot, I prefer the mantic dwarf to the pantless dorfs of AoS, and they are inferior sculpts in quality, but they are a lot more charming (like DF ones).
>>47442432
The Naiads look all right and so do some of the Abyssals, though the latter do definitely fall into the category of being generic and looking like a lot of other demons out there.
I guess maybe Mantic models are appealing if they remind you of how models used to look, but I never experienced that so me they just look bad.
>>47406273
Kek
>>47406273
>under the wrong names
Oh man, that's legitimately funny.
So is this vidya out, then? What's it like?
>>47443021
>>47443216
Did you really expect them to go through the trouble of putting back the old names for people who are going to buy them as merchandise and might not even give a damn about the name in the first place, just what it looks like?
From what I've seen the game has quite a few original names, for all the person could know the names in the game were created by CA and not based on actual models.
>>47443247
It's a modern Total War game.
If you still enjoy those, you'll probably get some enjoyment from it.
If you're the kind of person who stopped playing at Medieval II, well the changes and setting are very unlikely to be enough to win you back over.
And as usual, wait for patches before buying because it's a modern total war game at launch. Whilst it's not Rome 2 bad, it's still not exactly stable. And expect to have to pay for a lot of DLC over time to get additional armies past the limited amount available currently.
>>47443486
That Chaos DLC is really screwing me over.
Either I buy it now and deal with it not being patched, or I wait for patches and end up giving them more money.
It's a catch-22.
>>47439464
I fucking love it, dude.
>Karl Franz and my light wizard both get flying mounts
>They come down from the skies to smite Vampire faggots then take flight once more
I'm so fucking hooked and I don't even care if I sound like a shill.
>>47443556
In that case, I'd say wait for bundle deals down the line.
It's not that spectacular/short-lived a game that patience won't help overall.
>>47443632
Maybe I'm just easily amused but I think it's rad as fuck.
>>47443556
so far all the problems people have mentioned have already been patched or are caused by shitty rigs
>>47443247
I like it. Disappointed in the low faction count, but they do all play differently, so there's that.
Its certainly better than any of the releases since Napoleon.
I haven't tried MP yet. This is where the game's actual merit will come in to play. I still play Medieval 2 to this day with my friends.
>>47443678
I'm surprised that my GTX 660 is running High at ~35-40 FPS.
>>47443678
>>47443753
I get 60+ framerates and the game loads very fast.
On this same machine, Shogun 2 and Rome 2 took ages to load.
>>47443787
My load times are shit but I've never had good load times in a total war game.
I just use the loading screens as a sign to go get more water or veggies.
Do we have any sales data, not a shill but I want them to make more so we get the other races. Best case scenario Fantasy lives on virtually.
>>47444048
http://steamspy.com/app/364360
>>47411726
Goblins were always portrayed as green, orc is Tolkien's name for goblins. No one cares about your pathetic animal clicking simulator.
>>47444182
225,000
Is this good or bad?
>>47444226
Dunno, compare it to first week purchases for other total war game I guess.
>>47444226
Anything under 1 million is not particularly good.
>>47444226
Steamspy is not particuarly accurate just after a game has been released, give it a week.
>>47444226
Attila is at about 727,000 but it had a free weekend on Steam, Rome 2 is 2.3 million but again had a free weekend. So really there is no way to know but it hasn't set the world on fire.
>>47444522
Maybe for consoles, a million for PC games would make them very happy.
This discussion is more for /v/ anyway.
>>47444522
This. It's a flop.
Memeing aside 225k doesn't seem much, especially compared to big seller AAA titles. Don't know how accurate that number is though and we need the production (marketing included) costs.
>>47444522
Well, it's great for most studios. Total War games though tend to hit a bit under 3 million, but that's not within 6 days of launch and rather over more than a year.
>>47444586
It's far too early to call it a flop.
>>47444639
>It's far too early to call it a flop.
Which part of "memeing aside" was hard to understand?
>>47444586
They won't need to sell a million copies if they can sell $120 worth of DLC to everyone who bought the game.
>>47444705
>if they can sell $120 worth of DLC to everyone who bought the game.
Blood for the Blood God pack soon.
>>47425916
yes you can chaos rules!
>>47406684
>Nobody bought the boxes for them
>Hasn't had love for over a decade
You'd think somebody at GW would put two and two together...
>>47449670
GW has a nasty of habit of keeping hideous plastic sets from like 1999 around, while raising the cost on them 200% for what they originally were (19.99 for 20 mediocre models wasn't bad at the time) and wondering why no one is interested in the faction. This is the reason everyone assumed Dark Elder were going to be squatted..
Beastmen orgies when?
>>47449670
I imagine they may have never sold particularly well to begin with and I don't think Bretonnia is like Dark Eldar in that you can blame them not selling well on their original range being garbage.
The Bretonnia range from what I recall was also mostly good, it wasn't like Tomb Kings where you had quite a few bad kits and then Vampire Counts got new kits to further rub in how bad the aforementioned are.
I'm loving the game and I am very sad that the setting is dead. Fuck AoS.
So, how the fuck am I supposed to get Carsin's sword?
It's across half the map, though shitloads of uncorrupted territory.
>>47450851
Teleport.
