Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>Playing?
>Brewing?
>Next MTG Purchase?
GP Charlotte and GP Los Angeles weekend.
China man proxy arrived. Which is the China man Bayou? :o
>>47394152
Take it out the sleeve, anon.
>>47394152
They're not in equal lighting. Mebbe the left?
>>47394152
The one at left ?
>>47394176
What on earth is this creature ?
Is it what nerds calls a "cosplay" or somethin' like it ?
>>47394198
>>47394201
>>47394253
>>47394253
That's your average GP top 8er in the flesh
>>47394282
bottom middle is my guess.
first for fuck karn
>>47394282
Ahh, I see then
Its the one thatDo your fucking homework anon
>>47394322
Yeah it is. The China man fucked up on the text. It's too dark ;-;
>>47394340
I didn't pay attention to the texts.
The frame for the fake bayou is centered while frame for the real bayous are slightly to the left.
>>47394402
I might be seeing things that aren't there, however.
>>47394282
can you faggots just make your own thread dedicated to fakes/proxies/counterfeits?
>>47394402
This where chibamn fucked up. The bottom card is the fake Bayou. Ignore the difference in lighting. The text difference is that drastic.
I'm an extremely new MTG player and I made a white and black deck.
>3 Cleric of the Forward Order
>2 Devilthorn Fox
>2 Pale Rider of Trostad
>2 Thornbow Archer
>2 Sentinel of the Eternal Watch
>2 Stallion of Ashmouth
>1 Ghoulsteed
>1 Inspiring Captain
>1 Patron of the Valiant
>1 Nixus, Prison Warden
>1 Blood-cursed knight
>1 Heavy Infantry
>1 Crow of Dark Tidings
>1 Knight of the Pilgrims Road
Enchantments
>2 Dead Weight
>2 Knightly Valor
>1 Infernal scarring
>1 Gryffs Boon
>1 Valor in Akros
>1 Grasp of the Hieromancer
Instants
>2 Enshrouding Mist
>2 Mighty Leap
>1 Throttle
>1 Unholy Hunger
>1 Strength of Arms
Sorcery
>1 Liliana's Indignation
Land
>12 Plains
>11 Swamps
How to improve? What am I doing right and doing wrong?
>>47394475
>2 and 3 of everything
>all those 1-of's
>standard draft fodder in modern
You are going to get your ASS kicked. First of all, you want 4x of your best cards, you only use 1-of's and 2-of's when you need to fill out the last couple deck spots.
Secondly, if you are brand new to MTG, stick to standard and Limited for a while. Learn how the game works before jumping into expensive, competitive formats. Build a Modern deck when you can confidently put together a standard deck first.
>>47394474
Leave that shit in the light until it fades, then overhand shuffle it with a bunch of trash cards (without sleeves). Put it through a decade of abuse and nobody will bat an eye.
This also provides an alibi as to how you finished your set on the cheap.
>>47394592
>>47394474
>>47394402
>>47394338
>>47394322
The bad lands and Scrub land are also fakes. Honestly. They look perfect. I think the China man gave me a mix batch. The Bayou older batch and the scrub land and Badlands newer batch.
>Affinity vs GR Tron
>So much skill in 1 match
>Affinity player is 13
>"Format shaping" meme deck of the month doesn't even make the Top 8
/legacy/ please
How many copies of Nahiri in the top 8?
>>47394475
I dont' know a non-snooty way to say this but this is a thread for modern, a format that uses cards going back to 7th and 8th edition so it might not be the best place to ask that question.
Still looking over the deck you could include 4 of the white and black taplands from Shadows over Innistrad to help your mana. Forsaken Sanctuary.
I don't know if you have enough +1/+1 counter generating things to run Patron of the Valiant.
One of the first things you need to think of when you run a deck is you can have at most 4 of a card. For the most part you want to run 4 of a card, not a bunch of single copies. This will make your deck play more consistently. Try to go through the deck and decide which cards you want to see all the time and bump the number of copies up to 4, dropping some others that you don't like as much. Right now you've got kind of a mess to be perfectly honest, it's alright I've got the very first magic deck (a red/white one from M15 and KTK cards) still on my desk and it's a random pile too. Try to narrow down a focus for it and make it more consistent.
This is a thread full of very competitive and more experienced players. Your deck is new and good against probably other new players but don't expect it to be competitive at your local FNM. That's ok, we all start from the bottom.
Welcome to Magic. Be prepared to hate yourself for how much money you spend on cardboard.
>>47394647
heh.
>>47394647
At LA, 0
Looks like Fish, Abzan Company, Jund, Affinity, Tron, Affinity, Grixis, and Eldrazi
There was a fuckton of Nahiri when I was at GP Charlotte yesterday, no idea how they did day 2 though.
>>47394642
>>47394647
Has Jeskai been eliminated completely?
>13 year old made to top 4 in a GP
>Best I've done is 2nd place Game Day
Fuck I feel like such a failure.
>>47394635
I don't know why these threads grind on about chinamen duals. Yes, China is really good at printing reserve list stuff from 1995, yes most duals are fake, and you'd have to be a retard to buy one from a small dealer.
They're perfect, they all are, they always are, we get it. Nobody buys authentic duals.
>>47394738
If you were also playing Affinity, you should.
>>47394675
> 7th edition
> Modern
Flipjace price dropping fast as a result of the GP
Hyped as all fuck to play Dimir Mill. Still have my playset of Glimpses from playing Kamigawa-Ravnica Standard in middle school.
>Blinking the Ravager
Pascal Maynard, everyone.
>>47394781
8th then. I forget sometimes.
link to GP stream?
>>47394833
Jesus Christ, I sold mine for $10 thinking they were never going to go higher. $30 for a mill card is crazy.
>>47394647
0
I can't wait for the damage control from all the people that bought Nahiri on hype
>>47394833
>Had a chance to pick up Glimpses when they were at $10
>They're at $30 now
Thats $30 before any spikes
what would you guys say is the most played token in magic?
I'm looking to make some tokens to sell.
>>47394942
Easily Spirit Tokens
>>47394698
Lol yea
Dumb fuck retards speccing on Nahiri. A BARLY playable Walker with standard hype. Sure buy them at $50...
>>47394876
There's no infect or burn in either top 8, clearly they're bad cards and strategies.
And now you accuse me of "H-ha, d-damage control!"
>>47394833
Do you think Thing in the Ice could fit into a U/B Mill? Maybe in place of one or two Jace's Phantasms?
>>47394942
Do you plan to use your own art or try to sell someone else's?
>>47394968
More than Goblins?
>>47395048
Soldiers, Spirits, Goblins, and Angels are all probably money makers. A good Angel token I bet would sell well.
A creative Storm counter token or Poison counter token would also be good.
>That blind Thoughtseize
Pure fucking skill.
>>47395027
They are bad. Thats the point. They're bad decks that are popular because idiots like to play them, and the format is warped to facilitate them.
Literally this is the point people have been making for all of 2016. Its like banning Lightning Bolt and saying that Zoo is suddenly GOAT.
>>47395092
Aren't most thoughtseizes blind?
Also, the way this kid plays like every twitchy asshole who never wants to give you a chance to respond at my store.
Fuck this kid.
>>47395092
I'm rooting for the kid too, but Thoughtseize is just a sensible sideboard card for the matchup rather than any amazing skill play.
>fish vs robots final
zzzz
THE KID IS IN THE FINALS
>>47395121
Affinity isn't exactly a deck that wants to get 1-for1s from hand. If that Stony Silence hadn't been in Pascals hand the kid would have been fucked.
>>47395132
>Thoughtseize
>Sensible for an aggro vs aggro matchup
/standard/ pls.
>>47395284
>if these things didn't happen then other player would have won
WOW nice insight bruh
>>47395284
>affinity isn't a deck that wants to strip the one hate card the other player mulliganed for out of their hand
ur dum lol
>Slutsky
>>47395284
>sideboarding is all about shooting your silver fucking bullet at whatever strategy opponent is doing
>you literally know the other player has stony silence
>thoughtseize is bad against this somehow
Maybe this is why you aren't in the top 8 you cuckster
>>47395043
my own, this is a goblin token i was working on but i don't like it that much.
>affinity; so easy a child can do it
>>47395541
game 1 goes to the kid
>>47395541
where are you guys watching the matches.
Kid looks like a faggot
>from Portland Oregon
Ohhhhh
>>47395541
He's probably a much better player than you are, regardless of the deck.
>>47395572
twitch, channel fireball's channel
>>47395580
It's like poetry
Completely true though. Fuck Portland
>>47395541
Deck literally plays itself.
At least you have to tap lands with Burn.
>>47395541
Affinity is pretty linear, sure, but there's some decisions to be made. When to go for poison damage or not is not a simple choice, and can fuck you over. How to sac to ravager can have many different lines of play depending on board state. When to go all in or hold back a bit is also important. There also can be a shitload of math at times.
>>47395356
>>47395406
>Fire off Thoughtsieze blind
>Doesnt have the hate in his opening hand
Whoops looks like I lose.
>>47395644
>opponent doesn't have hate in the opening hand
whoops I win
>>47395644
When the fuck would you cast it then? Gonna wait for that late game you are trying to get to as fucking Affinity? If you fire it and don't see Stony Silence and then the guy doesn't draw it in the next few turns since he mulliganed so much you probably win
Kill yourself please
COME ON MERFOLK
>>47395772
AFFINITY OUT FUCKING SKILLED
GET FUCKED AFFINITY
What do you think she's doing?
Playing some Jeskai Bird Brain. Working out pretty well but my meta is pretty aggro heavy so I doubt I will be playing it anytime soon.
>>47395810
reading gay men erotic novels
>>47395810
shitposting in twitch chat
Lol
YYYEEEEEESSSS
KID OUTPLAYED!!!!
MAGIC IS SAVED!
HOLY SHIT!
>that shield poke low to the ground up air
That kinda makes me sad now, I wanted the kid to win.
>>47396042
>Wanting a little faggot shit to win
>>47396053
this desu senpai baka desu
>>47394475
This is so cute anon. It makes me remember my first deck, a butchered attempt at U/R Prowess/Ninjutsu.
Anyways, listen to >>47394550 and >>47394675, they give good advice. Repost your deck in the Standard general here
>>47387488
And i will give you all the advice you could possibly need step by step tomorrow when I'm not fucking drunk, alright?
>Nahiri didn't top8
Nahiri fags BTFO
This was a great GP, all things considering.
Hey, I've been out of magic for probably six months now and my friends keep begging for me to come back.
We used to play a lot of free-for-all matches and I've been thinking about finding a really fun deck to rock out with them.
What decks have you guys had the most fun running?
>>47396163
Charlotte was great too!
>>47396173
>>>/edh general/
And this isn't trying to be like filthy casuals get out of my thread, EDH is way more fun to play with friends in a multiplayer setting
If you get all of them into it and they build their own decks, it's fun every time
gg slutsky
>>47396220
Yeah, we picked that up before I quit and I even built an edh deck that never saw any play. So I'm ready for edh with them, I just wanted a cool modern deck for when we play that format.
I've been considering something like a pure wall deck. Or treefolks.
>>47396185
well I don't know about that one...
>>47396123
Don't be gay. Nahiri is the real thing, it was hated out in this GP, but the clock it provides is ridiculous.
But what do you know? This is /tg/, if I said that would be bringing a UB Mill deck in a GP, you guys would shit on my head and call me retarded, just like you did with that making guy building Jeskai Control before SCG.
/tg/ is bad at magic
>>47394942
Eternal formats can always use Poison, PW Emblems, Spirit, Angel, Soldier, Beast, Wolf, Plant, Goblin and Zombie tokens. Also worth asking the clientele if they want to commission specific tokens.
Standard wants some of the above as well as Clues.
>>47396275
well you say that, but even low tier modern decks are hundreds of dollars, and many are not very fun uninteractive linear strategies that will get boring if you are playing for fun and are not at all suited for more than 2 players at a time
The problem with casual 60 card is that there's no way to keep it fun without weird banlists or someone builds a deck too good and the arms race starts and half the group can't win anymore and they just give upI would know this happened to me
Just keep building edh decks, and don't play to have the best deck, play to have a fun game
>>47395541
the actual children at my lgs play affinity
Make Modern Great Again
>>47394836
I'm amazed with the misplays and stuff I see him make on stream, and how he ends up placing. Maybe other people are even worse.
>>47396559
I think being on stream makes some people nervous, plus after so many rounds already misplays are bound to happen.
>>47396659
But Pascal played Affinity before. He should've known how ravager works. That's the worst part about it all, other than the fact that the mistake lost him the GP/
>>47396407
Yeah, Matt Nass beat 2 top Jeskai Nahiri decks on stream because his brew was designed to beat them.
why is the japanese metagame always so weird?
>>47396731
>>47396731
Why do elevens fucking love Scaled Wurm so much?
>>47396807
do they?
>>47396864
They do. There are two different tags on Pixiv for it. There are over 150 images of it. I don't understand why.
>>47396761
kek
>>47396985
japanese storm crow is an eel?
>>47397087
Yup.
>>47397135
craw wurm is cooler
Why isn't MTG more popular in Japan?
>>47397274
what does this say? Is it basically 'I have no friends to play with?'the reason is that the card game market over there is crazy, and there are much better games (mechanics and organized play wise) in japan than the west.
>>47397358
*compared to MtG in japan, not compared to MtG in the west
>>47397358
Judging by the TCGs that the japs choose to export I'd say that their TCGS are all objectively WORSE than western ones
I think it's just that japs prefer homemade shit as opposed to imports
budget(-ish) modern mono black warriors
strong focus on can't be blocked (or menace) and lifeloss. Doesn't shy away from losing life for own personal gain.
Could use a walker, could use lifelink. what are some options for making this more competitive?
Inb4 throw in trash to improve.
x Bile Blight
4x Blood-Chin Rager
4x Bloodsoaked Champion
2x Dismember
2x Hero's Downfall
1x Languish
4x Mardu Shadowspear
3x Mardu Strike Leader
4x Mogis's Marauder
3x Pain Seer
1x Profane Command
4x Spiteful Returned
4x Thoughtseize
3x Tormented Hero
20x Swamp
sideboard
2x Foul-Tongue Invocation
1x Gilt-Leaf Winnower
1x Infinite Obliteration
2x Merciless Executioner
2x Obelisk of Urd
3x Pitiless Horde
2x Ulcerate
2x Virulent Plague
I know painseers could be upgraded to bobs, Might like to add obnix (bfz) and grip of desolation (bfz) to get rid of dudes and grip to stop blood moon.
has to be warrior tribal due to mogis, but other than that changes don't really matter too much.
Thoughts?
no splash colors.
other cards i see on gather with "warrior" that are catching my eye:
tenacious dead
gatekeeper of malakir
blood chin fanatic
lifebane zombie
kalitas, but want to wait for it's price to come down first
diplomacy of the wastes
other cards with lose life:
bond of agony
foul tongue shriek
killing wave
self inflicted wound
zulaport cutthroat
tainted remedy.
need ideas boys, have seen this deck work in the past before.
>>47397399
Id say its because they (western companies) realized long ago the only way to ''compete'' with MtG in the west is to only bring out tie-in games as they will sell even if the game is shit. Many games are better than MtG, that never make it out of japan, and wouldnt. Also might have to do with ""anime style"" not being as big in the west, so some games wouldnt make it on that alone (since the time in games have the weeb market).
Hell, one of the better games (still doing good in japan) made by WOTC (Duelmasters) failed here because WOTC is a shit company.
>when you crush a 13 year old in a game of magic
>>47397490
>when you realize you spent thousands of dollars and hours of your life on a game a 13 year old can top in
>>47397399
YGO surprisingly isn't terrible. It has a solid business model, it's comparatively cheap to get into, and the online-capable emulators are perfect.
>>47397413
man does that look like a pile of shit
>>47397522
LEL
you fucking cancer scrub lord, why are you even coming out to modern fnm with your shitty 100$ budget deck.
You should have just stayed home you're so fucking bad at this game, i bet you don't even have the skill required to play a real deck like jund/infect that mommy and daddy totally didn't buy for me and i made on my own.
what you beat me? your a faggot and playing an OP deck, i hope wizards bans it.
on a serious note, i love magic, but i hate playing it because of shit like this.
>>47397490
Breaking news: Slut beats up 13 year old homosexual boy
>>47397630
non constructive reply
You can try to help, or you can GTFO.
it's a pile of shit, but it has got me more wins than any other shit deck i have put together in modern.
so again, you can help, or you can continue to be a faggot, your call.
>>47397727
throw the entire deck in the garbage, or deal with the fact that standard rotates
>>47397743
again, non-constructive.
yes standard rotates and it once was a standard deck, but i enjoy playing it and would like to continue to improve on it.
i am being serious.
>>47397640
what are you even on about anon
>>47397804
The only playable cards in your entire list are dismember and thoughtseize, every other card is beyond unplayable to the point where I am going to call it draft fodder
The best and most constructive criticism you will get is to literally not play that deck at all, or to go play standard
>>47397851
standard is 400$ for something that rotates out in 6 months,
in 1 word: no
>>47397413
>>47397804
>>47397727
not the other poster, but your list is objectively garbage. you wouldnt even win one round even at the shittiest modern FNM in a small town. Modern is all tier meme decks, not memeing but its true. The only thing constructive I can say is to go to mtg top 8, find a deck with 4 thoutseizes and start from there.
so GTFO of the modern thread or realize you need to get gud.
>>47397940
ok you saw the other option
I recommend that you play something like merfolk, elves, orshamansif you are intent on tribal, if you want to use your thoughtseizes and you hate money go build BGx, or play something like 8rack, even though 8rack isn't that great it is 100x better than
>warrior tribal
>>47397973
could also go jund. fetches are in standard and still cheap.
>>47397988
>BGx
>>47397988
fetches are gone boyo
>>47397544
Gr8 b8 m8
>>47397961
git gud = spend 2500$ on a deck and play only that until the end of eternity.
I don't have 2000$ to waste on cardboard dragons sad to say, and even if i did have that sort of disposable income, i could think of many things far greater than thin pieces of cardboard to spend that cash on.
I personally won't change my mind on the issue and honestly i don't give a shit your actual opinions on it.
Just because merfolk and affinity were played i the GP tonight, doesn't mean i have any interest in those.
>>47397988
>fetches are in standard and still cheap.
They've been out since SOI anon. They are cheap though. I really ought to pick up the ones I'm missing, since I doubt they're going to get this low for a while.
>>47397413
Ignore the unconstructive faggots itt.
Brew what you like man.
Some tips for modern; generally the aggro decks and the combo decks will win on turn 4 assuming you didn't interact with them. However, black can interact, so you have a good likelyhood of doing well.
Try to make your deck have some big meaty cards in it. It seems optimal to build around 1-2cmc creatures, empty your hand, and go the aggro route, but you might get outraced by Naya Zoo.
Imho, if you can play *against* your opponents gameplan turns 1-3, they should be out of gas enough that you can btfo them with a big threat.
Cards I like: Thoughtseize, all the removal like bileblight and languise, dismember. If you want to stick with warriors thats cool, imo though it might be worth it to forgo the flavor and add some other creature types (unless theres some Warrior synergy I'm missing, don't know many of those cards though). For example Ruthless Ripper imho would be an excellent addition, but it's not a warrior.
Anyways, if you do go warriors it'll be a lot like playing zoo.
Your best bets, imho, are:
-pack removal. Going 1 for 1 will slow down decks that are faster, like affinity, infect, burn, etc. they will run out of gas and then you can pull ahead.
-hand disruption. Again, 1 for 1 is where you want to be at, but hand disruption can absolutely gut a combo deck and give you an easy win. Sideboard 4 Duress, and either 2 Surgical Extraction or 2 Expirtate. This also stops burn, affinity, and infect.
-gravehate. Dredge is making a comeback, abzan company relies on the graveyard for its combo, and snapcasters and goyfs will be sad.
Best of luck anon!
>>47398021
i dont play standard m8
>I don't have 2000$ to waste on cardboard dragons sad to say
then dont play modern, you can not afford it.
> personally won't change my mind on the issue and honestly i don't give a shit your actual opinions on it.
then dont ask for it and get mad in a quasi-competitive thread for a competitive format when people point out your list and ideas are terrible.
>Just because merfolk and affinity were played i the GP tonight, doesn't mean i have any interest in those.
no one said that, but you can take the actual good cards (re: thoutseizes) and at least start looking for a better deck to build that uses those.
or bring your garbage list to events so I can get the free wins, thats cool too.
>>47398029
>not challenging your opponents to "duels"
>not invoking Heart Of The Cards
>not shouting "You just activated my trap card!" during Zendikar draft
>not playing card gameson motorcycles
It's like you don't even play Miracles.
>>47398114
>>I don't have 2000$ to waste on cardboard dragons sad to say, and even if i did have that sort of disposable income, i could think of many things far greater than thin pieces of cardboard to spend that cash on.
Magic is not for you.
>Thoughts?
>i don't give a shit your actual opinions
/tg/ is not for you.
>>47398260
there you go boys, you heard it from him.
further proof of exactly the kind of cancer mentality i have been talking about.
"if you cannot spend 2000$ on magic cards, the game isn't for you"
Also misconstruing 2 seperate posts, I asked for thoughts in the first post, not this one.
Further,
I meant thoughts on how to improve it. not if you thought it was good or not.
>>47397413
To stop blood moon???? You're only running basics what the fuck are you even talking about
>>/trash/
>>47398460
>"if you cannot spend 2000$ on magic cards, the game isn't for you"
>If you can't spent $100,000 on a car then racing isn't for you
man it's such bullshit, why isn't everything free
Bernie 2016
>>47398460
you cant improve it, that is the consensus in this thread. its like serving a plate of feces and asking a chef how to improve it- you throw it out.
>asked for thoughts in the first post
and then you got salty about the replies.
heres a tip: dont ask for tips on jank here, go to /casual/ or /edh/ or something.
>>47398460
Improve it? Here's what you need to take out
4x Blood-Chin Rager
4x Bloodsoaked Champion
2x Hero's Downfall
1x Languish
4x Mardu Shadowspear
3x Mardu Strike Leader
4x Mogis's Marauder
3x Pain Seer
1x Profane Command
4x Spiteful Returned
3x Tormented Hero
Search TCGPlayer for mono-black modern legal cards, sort them from most expensive to least expensive, and then choose the most expensive ones possible. Then you might have something resembling a FNM-tier modern deck.
>>47398533
But the best mono-B deck is Devotion, and Gary ain't worth shit.
>>47398574
Then build it,I don't even play magic anymore because I'm not a child
>>47398625
why are you here
>>47398679
My gf won't clean her fucking shit off the bed, I've been waiting like two hours to go to sleep
>>47398692
why are you in this thread at all
>>47398702
I obviously have nothing better to do
>>47398719
you pass the time by shitposting about a game you don't play
>>47395029
>Do you think TiTi in X
No. Fuck off. Kill yourself. Stop forcing this shitty card.
>>47394833
Do you have a good list I could base mine off of?
>>47398692
Literal shit or figurative shit? Because honestly without further context I'm going to assume the former.
>>47395595
What's the link?
>>47398953
it's over man, slutty merfolk curbstomped a kid's robots
>>47396731
there should have been a little 'reeeeeee' text over emrakul
>>47397413
>To stop Blood Moon
>Lands are not affected by Blood Moon
GR8B8M8
>>47398903
Theres a memelist thats flavor-of-the-monthing, it's actually pretty damn decent, although I don't *quite* like the 3 crypt incursions with the 3 ensnaring bridges. It assumes a meta full of zoo with 1/10th of the deck dedicated against creature heavy decks.
I also don't think the 4 Visions of Beyond should be maindeck. It's such a nice card, and I 100% think it belongs in the 75, but you'll have games where it fucks you with Bridge. Really hard. Even as a cantrip it fucks you, but as an Ancestral it doublefucks you. I would put them in the sb if the bridges are in the mainboard.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32955_Daily-Digest-The-Millers-Tale.html
I personally cut an incursion (I think I put another in the sb though) and put 2 vision in the sideboard (cutting the other two) and replaced it with Dream Twist and Memory Sluice.
You can absolutely do well with the default list despite said qualms
>>47397490
This is the face of a man who just narrowly avoided being embarrassed on a national stage
>>47395920
hahahahahha
>>47395837
I almost think you could make a metacall of moving those Angers to the mainboard (Fuck finks) depending on just how bad it is. I find a lot of people jamming Melira, and bushwhacker decks are common too, so it might not be half bad. Also instant speed anger of the gods is so broken, theres a good reason its a sorc.
>inb4 you add it mainboard and everyone brings Tron
>>47394152
Those cards aren't legal in Modern. GTFO of the Modern General.
>people bitching that Eye ban killed tron
>TRON IS DEAAAAD
They received Newlamog. 2of in every decklist.
They received Worldbreaker, 1-2of in this meta, he's really underrated.
They received Warping Wail, basically Tron charm.
Koz's return is severly underrated, a splashable 3cmc 3damage sweeper that can be hit by ancient stirrings AND reoccur on top of it all (I do like the Bolts instead of the Clasms in Joes list though)
And to top it all off, Sanctum of Ugin is LITERALLY good. Not even kidding, it gives you more tempo than Eye ever did, and in that respect it's actually better than Eye. The only case in which it's not better than Eye of Ugin is if you're hellbent. in which case you fucked up and have to draw from the top, and with a shitton of cantrips and stirrings it ain't even a problem.
>>47398999
I'd still like the link.
>>47399797
twitch.tv [period ) channelfireball
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pro tours are on twitch { period ] tv/magic
>>47399829
well I fucked it up but you get the point
I was going to make a modern deck.
Then I realized I could make a box full of top meta Pauper decks double sleeved with a life counter and deck box for each deck with 2 play mats for cheaper than one Modern deck.
It's a blast. You guys having fun playing decks that are worth more than anything you own or will ever own.
>>47400021
>Worth more than anything you will ever own
Shit man, I own a car worth at least 5k
>>47394093
>competitive discussion
Thanks for the laugh m8, most people here argue about their use of ching chong cards.
>>47395837
My meta is aggro heavy too. Your list isn't as good as it could be. A very good well rounded set up is
+2 Paths
+4 Nahiri
+1 Helix
+1 Emrakul
+2 Cryptic Command
+1 Electrolyze
+ 3 Serum Visions or Ancestral Visions
-1 Boom Bust
-3 That trash above boom//bust
-4 Brain in jar
-2 Jayce
-3 Muddle the mixture
-1 Remand
This seems 100x better land base could be better too. More fetches= more consistent mana base. Straight up if you aren't garbage this list should win every fnm you take it too
>>47394675
My name is anon and ive spent hundreds of dollars on affinity and cards to swap out to make different affinity decks. I only regret it a little.
>>47400021
Get real spending 1k on a modern deck for casual play is retarded, but some of us take these decks to tournaments and win actual money.
>>47400021
Good luck finding pauper tournaments worth playing in
>>47399697
Tron isn't dead but you can't not act like ugin ban wasn't a kick in the balls. Sanctum of ugin is a decent replacement and the world breakers are the new strategy but still tron isnt as good as it used to be
>>47400250
Yeah the land base could really take advantage of cards like sulfur falls/glacial fortress as well. Or copy someone like great nate's jeskai geist land base.
>>47400250
But anon thats a standard jeskai list, not Bird Brain.
Speaking of which, I firmly believe that 4 Nahiri 1 Jace is absolutely sweet with Emrakul. He's solid in non-emrakul control lists, and he can do what she does too. Try adding a Jace to your Jeskai, I guarantee you'll like it.
>>47400364
For someone who complains about a bird brain list not doing well in a aggro heavy meta its because bird brain isn't as good as other jeskai decks.
>gotta go fast: the format
>>47399697
Mate, the only reason why Lossett made top8 is because the topdecked like a champ and didn't face turn 3 crumbles and counterspells. Sanctum of Ugin is fucking dogshit compared to "skip your play for the turn or not even that if you have 17 mana up: draw an eldrazi" stop kidding yourself, World Breaker doesn't win games by itself since only Valakut decks _really_ care about a single land and the MU is heavily in their favor now that Ulamog is in no way guaranteed. Warping Wail is good but again, it's a 2mana answer to Bob or a counter against Crumble to Dust that eats a dispel, nothing overtly exciting. Kozilek's Return is too slow and basically reads "if you have this in your deck, you will lose every game vs Zoo, Burn and Infect before the match even begins", hence Lossett's choice of lighting bolts.
All in all, the deck is several orders of magnitude worse than Legacy 12post, more vulnerable to land hate, cannot realistically cast Emrakul or Primeval Titan ever and without access to the amount of draw and deck manipulation. The average Tron list now runs about 12 haymakers with 4 cantrips that can find said cards off the top 5, Lossett went against all odds by topdecking World Breaker after Wurmcoil after Ulamog.
>>47400407
Fair enough, although it's far from weak. It all becomes worth it when you cast Call.
You could alternatively jam iso scepters instead of Brain/beckcall and have it be 'not be as good', but the whole point is to have fun playing a card game, and Brain is fun to play around with.
As far as competitive play goes, a solid strategy is to board out the toys and replace it with Nahiri/Emrakul in game 2, hopefully baiting some poor sod into bringing in artifact removal.
Also IMHO boombust is best as a sideboard card, while odds/ends is a much sweeter addition.
>>47401301
Fun is in the eye of the beholder i guess. If you want to have fun losing with brain in a jar go for it
>>47401241
>Sanctum of Ugin is fucking dogshit compared to "skip your play for the turn or not even that if you have 17 mana up: draw an eldrazi"
Two completely different cards, good in different scenarios. Sanctum reads "if you cast a big daddy, go get another big daddy", in addition to tapping for colorless mana. Eye reads "tap and pay a shitton of mana, go get a big daddy".
One is repeatable, and does not require you to cast a spell for the trigger, but it also costs you a lot of mana to activate.
One activates FOR FREE.
Don't be an idort. Choose FREE ULAMOGS.
>>47395029
Why they fuck would you swap a Flying 5/5 at U for a motherfucking 0/4 Wall of flavor text.
>>47401388
>f Ugin is fucking dogshit compared to "skip your play for the t
Yeah i agree tron is dogshit now, and people who try to justify sanctum are just salty faggots. When you have nothing to do sanctum of ugin does nothing
>>47401337
But it does win games.
I have fun with plenty of decks, lots of which are tier 2, because it's a card """"game"""". but hey if you want to jam out some MODO leagues playing Bogles be my guest I hope you have a blast.
>>47394176
I saw him at LA
>>47401388
>FOR FREE
It's not FREE when you HAVE TO DILUTE YOUR LIST WITH A SHIT ONE-TIME USE CARD THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ACTIVATE ONCE IN THE GAME BEFORE YOU'RE DEAD. It doesn't even trigger off Wurmcoil, which is the card you want vs basically everything that doesn't play Path. Sanctum doesn't even lower the costs, so if your play is Tron+Sanctum play Karn crack Sanctum fetch Ulamog you can't even cast it if you don't get a second Tower (with Eye any 1 land on top of Tron would suffice).
>>47401451
should have beaten the fuck out of him
>>47401388
Situation: Hand is full of maps / scrying / dead cards
With Sanctum: Hope to topdeck a wincon or flounder until death
With Eye in deck: Sylvan or Map both tutor out eye, which tutors for emrakul, which wins the game
>>47397399
Japs don't export what they like most, and don't care if you like what they do export.
Castlevania, Mega Man and Soul Calibur are dead because there were much more beloved by the west than they ever were in japan.
>>47401408
Lmfao so 1/60 cards that was relevant in maybe one or two matchups and absolute dogshit in any other matchups, only being relevant in the first place because of tutors, being removed means the deck is dogshit.
Even though it just got Ulamog, which is arguably as busted as Karn and Ugin.
Speaking of which, 95% of matchups don't give a single shit about Eye, and either beat tron before karn/ugin or lose on the spot to karn/ugin.
The deck is unfuckingphased.
And the bolts are less for zoo and more for the decks you mentioned, affinity and melira.
>>47401530
No deck loses to Karn or Ugin on the spot, even CoCo can just spin the lottery wheel at eot and again on their turn when they hit Witness and combo Tron out.
>>47401388
>idort
you're doing that ancient meme wrong
>>47400021
I own 13 buildings.
Some people have more money that they could spend without becoming obvious targets for crime and Magic really is one of the few activities you can be a part of that doesn't paint a huge neon sign of "high risk/high social status" but still let you meet new people and have fun with banter, competition and gaming.
>>47401469
>being forced to dilute your list
What does this even mean? Joe was forced to add 2 sanctums to his list? Who would force him to do such a thing?
The card preformed really well, in situations Eye wouldn't have worked. It's not a lategame wondercard, it's there to keep your tempo up and to chain your threats.
There are absolutely situations where Eye is infinitely better than Sanctum, since Sanctum doesn't do what Eye does. It's not Eye. It's not even Eye-lite. It cannot serve as a Library of Urzandria.
What it can do, is chain your 7-8-10cmc threats in a meaningful way without stopping to take a turn off.
I honestly like the way Sanctum plays more than Eye. Tutoring for Emrakul is a shit way to end the game when you have a dozen other game-ending threats. and it only really applied vs U/W controlfags
I have literally only lost to Eye of Ugin once in my lifetime, while playing control and it was because after countering everything he played, he played an uncounterable emrakul.
>>47401545
I guess Cocombo has outs. but what would Eye do there? Sanctum finds you your Ulamog/wurmcoil/etc after casting Karn/Worldbreaker/Ugin, without durdling all your mana for a turn.
Unless it was vs control, Eye was never ever relevant.
>>47401551
Tuuuuuuuuubes
>>47401569
>meet new people and have fun with banter, competition and gaming.
this is why i'm selling my modo collection! fucking game sucks without bantz and face-to-face interaction, even if it's a sweaty grognard with a hentai mat.
i mean i'm also selling my paper standard and modern collections but i only really want to play legacy these days and there's a cherry 2015 felt nine 3 with some significant drivetrain upgrades for under 2 grand downstate that i've been eyeing.
>>47401482
>>47401469
Despite our disagreement, I do like that this thread is actually discussing the game instead of 2-D playmat pussy.
>>47401646
>Joe was forced to add 2 sanctums to his list?
In the sense that he wanted to play competitive Modern but has zero experience with everything but Tron, yes, since Sanctum is the next best card, even though it's shite.
>The card preformed really well, in situations Eye wouldn't have worked
There is no such situation. In the games where Joe got to tutor Ulamog after Karn uncontested (eg vs Jund) he was already winning because of the nature of the MU itself, not because of the sick tempo Eye got him.
>chain your 7-8-10cmc threats in a meaningful way
That's just it: It doesn't chain jack shit because you only get to crack it once and it doesn't care for your best threat against midrange: Wurmcoil! If your first Karn eats a bolt (since you pretty often have to -3 it just to stay alive) and your fetched Ulamog eats a Path, you're fucked unless you topdeck like a god from that point on whereas with Eye you could justify playing Emrakul if your naturally drawn haymakers don't do the trick.
>Tutoring for Emrakul is a shit way to end the game
As opposed to what, going off with Ad Nauseam in response to tapping out? Getting 7th bolt chucked in your face? Getting beatdown with Snapcaster after your threats have been countered and you flood on lands? Redcap combo with CoCo?
>>47401691
>but what would Eye do there?
Gets a guaranteed Emrakul or at the very least Ulamog to eat 2 mana and slow them down, same thing vs Scapeshift which is now basically unwinnable MU without nut draws since you can't guarantee t4/5 Ulamog. Against Twin the game was a race to either combo or Emrakul with the Tron player sitting on Nature's Claims and Rending Volleys, without Eye you wouldn't have that and Tron could literally not win.
Eye was very relevant in every single matchup that wasn't Infect, even against Burn you could hold on with Feed the Clan in g2/3 and proceed to laugh when you land a Wurmcoil followed by another one, unless the Burn player had 2-3 skullcracks. Against Lantern Control it would get you Ulamog past the millrocks (since they can't give you Stirrings, Map, Scrying or the Eye itself) to get out of Bridge lock whereas now you have to hope they don't discard your Nature's Claims and you get enough Chromatic Spheres to sneak draws with the mana ability past the lock.
>>47401758
Wait it can tutor for wurmcoil I think. It doesn't trigger it but it can for sure find it.
>you're fucked unless you topdeck like a god
Well that's Modern for you.
I get what you mean, with Eye topdecking isn't an issue, it's like a microverse battery that doesn't run outta gas, ever. Sanctum feels like little splashes of N2O dribbling into the tank.
As far as trons late lategame being trash since Eyes removal, I feel like Worldbreaker really helps mitigate this problem (unless they exile all of em).
He's relatively cheap, he's powerful, diggable, and absolutely most importantly he is recurrable. He seems like the missing piece of the "what happens when they answer all your shit" puzzle.
>>47401812
Sactum guarantees t4-5 Ulamog as much as Eye does. One spends a turn using 7 mana+tapping eye, the other spends a turn playing a land, but both make it there all the same.
And again worldbreaker is really underrated, it can exile Valakut or Ensnaring Bridge.
Shouldn't tron have a good Scapeshift matchup? Ancient stirrings hits Crumble if they pack it, and turn3 Karn"stone rain"Liberated should slow them down a bit.
Look what chinamen brought in today.
>>47401953
Make sure the Lili set symbol is right. There was a reported error with it some time ago.
>>47401940
>Sactum guarantees t4-5 Ulamog as much as Eye does.
Wrong, Sanctum requires non-Wurmcoil gas to go along with it whereas Eye allows you to keep openers with nothing but lands, maps and scryings since you can slam down an Ulamog on turn 5 at the least, turn 4 if you happen to draw it + 2nd Tower.
>and turn3 Karn"stone rain"Liberated should slow them down a bit
Nope, because Karn eats a Remand and then a Cryptic Command which bounces back a Tron land, buying Scapeshift another 2 turns to go off. Against the balls deep no counterspells RG builds a single Stone Rain isn't enough, you saw how Chapin lost that one game after a Bust. Worldbreaker is okay, but in no way guaranteed t3 or even t4 play since it requires fixing, it has no inherent protection and Pithing Needle shuts down recursion.
>>47401994
seems alright
>>47401998
>wanting to tutor proactive threats with map and sylvan
New next level tech incoming
That's right, you get TWO 1/1s
>>47401953
Which Chinaman on Alibaba is that? I've been contemplating breaking down and buying some but the reiviews for all of them are all over the place?
>>47402125
villa zheng. look for him on youtube. contact him via gmail
>>47394942
standard right now is Knight, Kor ally and plant, also hangarback/pia&kiran tophter
legacy has the young pyromancer elemental
modern dunno, maybe eldrazi?
>>47402125
They're kind of hit and miss. The damnation looks off due to a printing error in the mana cost and a white border near the card edge. the lili's however look indistinguishable if not taken out of a sleeve.
>>47395484
I kinda like it
>>47402133
Thanks man.
The only thing that I don't like about Trump is that getting proxies will be a lot harder.
>>47402133
>>47402125
Villa has the best prices for singles currently. Like people have said, they can be hit or miss.
It's better to have a set of fakes than have one real and 3 fake. Often times you can tell when they are side by side.
>>47402164
This especially. I'm planning on playing these lili's in tourneys.
>>47402181
For that reason I like to order 5 or 6 copies of the same fake. Then I can ween out the worse looking ones. If they all look great then cool. I gift the leftovers to friends.
>>47402194
Well it's generally the card itself that determines the quality. Like all liliana printings are good (expect if you get some from a previous batch like OP did) and all damnation printings will have the same errors.
>>47402205
That's true, but sometimes they're pretty miscut.
And if every single copy is minorly misprinted, then it's less likely to be noticed.
Like I have the Mirror Universe proxy. It has a mistake with the Legends set symbol. There is a white border around it.
>>47400021
good luck with your blue ninja faerie deck, faggot
Anyone got any tips on how to make this china proxies look a little worn? not just a scratch or smth but to wear off the gloss a little.
>>47402830
Grab a pile of basic lands or something, put the proxies in with them and shuffle a lot.
>>47403046
Great idea, gonna get some roughed up revised ones to shuffle with
>>47397490
>slut-sky
Why doesn't Hallowed Moonlight see play? It counters CoCo, Chord, persist, Living End, Goyoro's, persist and anything that makes tokens, all while cantripping.
>>47403615
>persist twice
>>47403628
I really fucking hate Melira combos.
>>47403615
It requires you to leave mana up whereas you can just slam grafdigge's cage or nihil spellbomb. White has access to Rest in Peace which is almost strictly better.
M8s what time to do GPs generally rap up on on the Sunday? Trying to book flights for London.
>>47403615
Im a fan of this card and I dont even try to shill it this card. Its secret edh tech, not a modern shaper.
What you guys think? Should I go for it?
It's from based china man
>>47403750
His latest batch seems to be pretty based. Just don't expect every card to be A+.
>>47398029
yugioh definitely does preconstructed decks better
buy 3 of one for a total of $30 and you'll have a powerful, competively viable deck
>>47404107
I play yugioh as a sidegame to magic and I have to say this is absolutely true. They just printed straightup value in their preconstructed decks. When was the last time you saw wizards listen to their players?
>>47403750
>paying $117 dollars for fake chinaman magic the gathering cards
time to take a good look at yourself in the mirror anon
>>47404219
Don't you want to play Legacy for a hundred bucks then?
>>47403750
>villa zheng. look for him on youtube. contact him via gmail
anon bro, mayb fuckin relax a little, and buy less first to see if they're any good? fuck, i feel like your mom, bro just think before you act.
like >>47404219 said.
>>47403615
So the only real use I see for it is in UWr, and pretty much only useful in the mirror.
>>47404174
Well, the last Event Deck was pretty good. Buying 4 of them to have a semi competitive brew was pretty good.
Then wizards disscontinued the event decks when finally they were becomming good. Some ppl said it was because of the second market but I am not sure.
>>47404289
So netting 300$ would get you a semi competitive deck? yeez, value there. Investin 300$ in singles would get you a better deck. In yugioh you take 30$, buy 3 of the precon decks, invest maybe 30$ in singles and you have a legit tier 1 deck.
Point is, wizards never ever prints value. Never ever was the best thing to do with x amount of money buying a precon deck. Bc wizards likes to fuck you over, it's always a better idea of buying singles, making the precon decks completely worthless.
>>47404270
Are you retarded?
>>47397544
YGO stopped being good in early 2012. Every ban list since then has been total dogshit and turned the game into a steaming pile of memes.
>>47396511
Where does a child get the money to play affinity?
>>47404333
Dunno how much the event deck cost where you live anon, but it cost around 30$.
I mean, back in the day, I bought a modernn event case for 148$ at my LGS 2 months after release. Yes it is not as cheap as YGO,but it was a great product. The increased price of cards is because of the second market and wizards being afraid of being sued.
Even for standard format the last eveent deck from battle for zendikar was so fucking good. Spending only 60$ for a semi competitive BG Aristocrats was a good starting point. Then again, wizard discontinued the standard event deck and once again we are screwed in both formats.
>>47404722
148 dollars? Jesus you got screwed on that
>>47404636
It's NYC. Rich kids abound.
>>47404751
Erm i think hes talking about the modern event deck. The token strategy was a good start for people into the format annd the price is not that bad. I remember them costing around 40-45$ each and a case contains 4 of them.
Still his post is fucking confusing.
>>47404219
>buying a single Liliana of the Veil
>buying a playset of Liliana of the Veil, and 41 other overpriced cards
Are you going to tell me the latter is somehow worse?
>>47401241
>Kozilek's Return is too slow and basically reads "if you have this in your deck, you will lose every game vs Zoo, Burn and Infect before the match even begins",
Kozileks return is pretty good against all those match ups, when you remember its instant speed and when you recast turn 4 off a world breaker is hits everything for 5. And in a zoo heavy meta, you also have the turn 3 All is Dust or Ugins.
Bolts are great if you can fit them, no argument there. But chalking the Tron wins to 'one player getting lucky' is a stretch. The decks always going to tether between good and 'beaten by the meta'.
>>47405380
Can't speak for Burn and Infect, but 2 damage is pretty shitty against the Nactals, Apes and Goyfs in Zoo.
>>47405494
yes, but 5 isnt and 2 hits revels and guides. Its also really good vs affinity. There is a reason your seeing it show up as a 2-3 of in lists, as its satisfying to get two wipes off one card. It also allows you to target lands (as you should be) with ulamog and worry less when hitting lands off a breaker.
So what decks are kid-friendly in Modern?
Obviously there is Affinity.
Burn and Zoo as well?
Hey /tg/
I am very new to Magic (I started earlier this year). Could you please harshly criticize my legacy deck. Thank you!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wolf-junk-rev-3/
