Other than Frida Kahlo, on what unconventional historical figures could you base a BBEG on?
>>47393770
Frida Kahlo BBEG? Explain.
>>47393770
Thatcher
Merkel
Dali
>>47393935
Many of her designs were innovative but impractically demanding in terms of resources and materials. As such they were rejected by various nations. But she wanted to build and thus ended up working for dictators who wouldn't care about expenses as long as they can show off.
>>47393935
Pretty much exactly the same just replace painting for magic, Diego's role is particularly interesting
>>47393770
Socrates was trying to undermine belief in the Hellene pantheon so that the forces of evil could conquer the world.
>>47393770
I've kind of wanted someone to work out a BBEG version of Alexander Scriabin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysterium_%28Scriabin%29
>>47393770
Any of the early century American monopoly tycoons work wonderfully. People like Carnegie, Morgan, and Rockefeller could all easily by BBEG. Just make them heads of the state.
>>47394128
They're pretty conventional inspiration for crooks.
>Ching Shih
>Went from a hoe to a pirate queen
>Commanded over 300 junks manned by 20,000 to 40,000 pirates
>Managed to retire from piracy
>Fought with the Qing Dynasty, British, and Portugeuse
>Solid lawful evil to chaotic good BBEG if you research her code.
>>47393770
Why would I want to use anyone BUT Frida Kahlo as a BBEG? That monobrow can only be the result of maximum evil.
>>47394266
Fuck, that bitch is a villain in a game I play.
Almost fed my character to a kraken.
Almost all Mexicans leader could be BBEG
Santa Anna: He made a funeral for his leg that he lost when he was fighting the french, and during the Mexico-USA war after his exile he appeared with countless of slaves and villagers to fight the Americans, he could have won a battle but he retreated (funny thing is that more men died on the way home than on the battle itself)
Diaz Ordaz: He ordered the mass murder of students just so he could have the Olympics without any problem.
Luis Echeverria: He tried to kill another president and he made far right students beat the shit out of leftist students.
Salinas: He was elected on very shady circumstances and all the things he did left Mexico on the ruin (like privatizing the oil and banks)
![erwin_rommel[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ofGpwhf.jpg "erwin_rommel[1].jpg")
A good campaign is al about the BBEG's lieutenants.
But yeah I once ran a campaign where my BBEG was based on Gizel Godwin from Suikoden 5, so he wasn't exactly a military but a politician. The guy they faced multiple times on the battlefield was a carbon copy of Rommel.
>>47393770
Einstein?
>>47395388
It's been done.
>>47393770
OTHER than Frida Kahlo? I dunno... there's so few choices.
Philipp Lenard?
Harald Sigurdsson?
Ned Ludd?
>>47393770
Elizabeth Bathory
Nikola Tesla
Josef Menegle
>>47393770
Literally any of them.
>>47396061
literally?
>>47393770
Ghandi
>>47398141
Literally. Some just take more imagination.
>>47393770
Jeanne Hatchette, maybe launches a genocidal war against those goddamn dirty Burgundians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Hachette
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg
>>47393770
How the hell was Frida Kahlo evil?
>>47395924
>Nikola Tesla as a villain.
Fuck off, Edison.
>>47399589
He did build (or was rumoured that he build) a number of doomsday weapons. Maybe more of a BBEGs mad scientist than the BBEG himself, though.
>>47399377
It's all about perspective.
>>47399589
Tesla was a monster, Edison was an upstanding gentleman.
Nevermind that time he murdered an elephant with electricity.
Robert Liston was a surgeon known as "The Fastest Knife in the West" and could amputate an entire leg in under two minutes.
That said, his speed had downsides - one day, while amputating a limb, he also accidentially amputated his assistant's fingers while the poor man was holding down the patient.
In his mad cutting frenzy, he also slashed an elderly gentleman who was observing the proceedings. The old man was so frightened that he had a heart attack and died on the spot.
Also, both the patient whose leg had been cut off, and the assistant who'd lost his fingers both died of gangrene.
Robert Liston is the only man who has performed surgery in which 300% of the people being operated on died.
He was the French Minister of Finance from 1665 to 1683 under the rule of King Louis XIV and achieved a reputation for his work of improving the state of French manufacturing and bringing the economy back from the brink of bankruptcy.
He also made child labour mandatory for all children over the age of six.
Wagner
>>47393770
Benjamin Franklin. He wasn't allowed to draft the Declaration of independence. The other founding fathers were worried he would hide a joke in it. Or were they worried about Franklin hiding something else within the document?
>>47400714
Damn. That is an impressive level of incompetence.
>>47394343
>Salinas fallacy
Go home chairo
>>47393935
>Monobrow.
Do we really have to explain..?
Leopold II, Prince of Belgium.
Look up the history of 'Congo Free State'.
Either Rasputin or Gandhi as Tanks
>>47393770
The Founding Fathers work pretty well.
Lawful Evil slavers and warlords who team up to claim a whole continent for themselves when their parent empire temporarily stopped blowing cash up their ass.
>>47402151
Any BBEG based on Leopold II would be unrealistically evil.
>>47400596
>Tesla says I'm a cunt
>I know! I'll electrocute an elephant with the AC power lines he proposed to demonstrate how unsafe they are despite him having made me a small fortune through his work
>that'll prove I'm not a cunt for sure!
>>47395924
>Bathory
>Mengele
>unconventional BBEGs
They're probably somewhere like second and third place after Hitler as inspiring BBEGs.
>>47400868
He was pretty goddamn competent, actually. This was before anesthesia, speed mattered. Wasn't a single surgeon who didn't lose patients to gangrene either. I mean, shame on the assistant though, but let's not judge a man's life work on one lethal accident.
>>47402200
>secessionist rebels
>Lawful
dafuq
>>47402314
What do you think secessionists want to do? Anarchy? They want to move the power of government and the legitimate use of force from across the ocean/over the river/over the mountains to their own land. Not much else.
>>47402360
Not wanting anarchy doesn't make you Lawful. Obeying the law even when it doesn't favour you makes you lawful. Obeying the law when it favours you and breaking it when it doesn't is Neutral.
Anne Frank
>Darkened Grudge-esque manifestation of evil and suffering, crawling from all and anywhere the light cannot touch, more of a true neutral force of nature than a real evil character.
Brian Blessed
>Barbarian Warlord who ventures to far foreign places just to punch the snot out of the local indiginous beasts and infamous nobles.
Oliver Cromwell
>Captain no-fun-allowed who literally stole christmas.
>>47402151
He was king then. though the state did not support him
>>47402402
Neutral evil is the alignment of psychopaths though. The sort of people who stab children because clearly not enough children have been stabbed last tuesday.
>>47402470
>Cromwell
>unconventional BBEG
Not to the Irish he wasn't.
>>47402524
Neutral Evil is the alignment of Evil beings who don't make a point out of either obeying or disobeying laws. That's what Lawful-Neutral-Chaotic is: Lawful makes a point of obeying rules, Neutral doesn't make a point of either obeying or disobeying rules, Chaotic makes a point of disobeying rules. No alignment implies psychopathy.
>>47402689
Oh? we're being unconventional?
uhhhh..
Jim Henson
>EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING PUPPET, YOU'RE RUSED.
Wesley mother fucking Willis.
François Duvalier, also known as Papa Doc.
>>47402697
If you're neutral evil and a law that mandates that kids need to be stabbed on tuesdays until a target number of stabs has been achieved exists, then you will occasionally step out and stab some. Not always, but occasionally.
>>47402790
Meanwhile, Lawful Neutral does it every Tuesday.
>>47402524
What? No. If you were to apply that description accurately to any alignment, it would be Stupid Evil or some non-existent alignment. The alignment it most closely represents is Chaotic Evil.
Neutral Evil is 'personal gain at any and all costs'.
>>47399589
IRL no, but imagine the shit that crazy fucker would do as a BBEG
>>47402402
They broke off from the Empire to put the profits of trade and tax into their own hands, and hooked idealists along with them, and formed a new nation. That's lawful evil in any book.
>>47393770
From my own country
>Robert the Bruce
Ramp up the interpretation he was fighting for power instead of Scottish Freedom. Lures rivals into places considered neutral ground, like churces, then brutally murders them.
>William Wallace
Potray him as a Terrorist
>Duke of Sutherland
Not that unconventional, but removing people from the land rather than going full genocide is uncommon for antagonists.
>>47403122
Breaking off from the Empire was against the law, which means it can't be lawful, but they didn't break the law "just because". They did it out of idealism or self-interest. That makes it Neutral.
>>47403250
Capital L Law is the elemental force of Order in the universe, not just mortal regulations.
You can still be Lawful without being lawful.
>>47403307
Lower case lawful is non-elemental conduct which is in accordance with elemental Lawful. The former is defined by the latter.
>>47403250
>>47403419
you have to be a special kind of fucking retarded to actually believe that the Lawful alignment type means that said person never breaks laws
this is /tg/ tho . . .
>>47404737
A person who is Lawful is someone who predominantly obeys the laws as a matter of principle. A person who obeys or breaks them out of convenience is Neutral.
Salvador Dali
>talented painter
>eccentric weirdo
>friend of dictators
>premature ejaculator
>had a pet ocelot
>had a dumb mustache
>>47405900
>>premature ejaculator
The fiend!
>>47393770
Diego Rivera
![1265552687004[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yEOC6US.jpg "1265552687004[1].jpg")
George Washington was a slaveowner who only fought for the 'rights' of smugglers and people who wanted to steal more land from the Native Americans. He betrayed his countrymen, both his fellow Englishmen back in the British Isles and those who had settled in the Americas, after he was denied recognition for his (grossly incompetent) service in the Seven Years War (much like Benedict Arnold in fact, who also switched sides because he couldn't get a promotion). Most of the popular opposition to Britain in the colonies came from those who had profited form the sea trade which had been evading customs duties for years (i.e. Boston), and those who wanted to settle west of the Appalachians (and slaughter the natives there, an act which had been forbidden by the government in London because they didn't want another war). Even so, this only amounted to about a third of the colonial population who fully supported the revolution - and that was the Founding Fathers' own estimate.
Yet despite this lack of widespread support the embittered former militia leader decided to start a war in the name of 'the people', and a bloody conflict erupted which turned brother against brother, father against son. Just because of his hatred for the people who had (rightly) mocked him for his inept leadership. Of course, being incompetent he couldn't actually win the war by himself, so he enlisted the aid of the autocratic monarchies of France and Spain against the parliamentary British to kill even more of his countrymen. In the end, Britain was crippled its people - a people who shared a common language, culture, and values - permanently divided. All so one vain old man (even the other Founding Fathers admitted he was pretty vain) could have his revenge.
|And the slaveholders got their 'democracy' - which wasn't really much of an accomplishment because they had already purged anyone who disagreed with them (a sizeable chunk of the American population had to flee to Canada after the war)
We're gonna build a wall. A great big wall. A big wall all around Mordor. And Gondor is gonna pay for it. Believe me. The Steward of Gondor says he won't pay for it? He's gonna pay for it. I promise you this. No more Hobbits sneaking in, folks. Not anymore. They have to go back to the Shire. Last time I checked, the book was called "There AND BACK AGAIN", okay? Well, it's time for that last part: it's time to go back again, little Hobbits.
>>47406380
oh, and not content with their treachery against their own people, the revolutionaries then stabbed their former allies in the back, refusing to pay France back the money they had borrowed to finance the war, and then invading and conquering Spanish Florida. Their treachery also discredited all the progressives in England who had fought to give the Americans more representation before the war, and set back the political fight for greater democracy in England for decades.
The money they borrowed and refused to pay back led to the bloody French revolution, and over two decades of war which ripped Europe apart.
>that moment when you realise the bad guys won the Revolutionary War, and if they had been stopped a stable and progressive British Empire would have had global hegemony, and brought peace and individual rights to the world without the need for the upheavals and atrocities of the French Revolution, Russian revolution, and Nazism. And slavery in America would have ended decades before it actually did, and there would have been no American Civil War
>>47406450
well from the point of view of Sauron and the orcs, that a pretty good idea. The Hobbits were a complete disaster for them and led to the complete destruction of their country.
>>47406005
Also cuckold and presumably sodomite (there was plenty of ... tension between him and Garcia Lorca).
>>47402200
Britain plz go.
You lost.
You lost all the wars, all the time.
Have fun w/ your Brexit. That's, like, another terrible British meal, right?
>>47400856
>Postmaster General of the colonies.
>Potential spymaster, possibly involved in triple-agent dealings and land-snatching in both Europe and America.
>Friends with members of the Hellfire Club.
>Dead bodies found buried under his London house.
Just based on the rumors about him alone, there's a lot to work from.
>>47400856
>>47406641
Why do Ameriburgers act like the Founding Fathers were so holy when they were a bunch of dicks?
>>47394266
>a hoe moved up to be in control of lots of junks
you could say that nothing changed after all
>>47406503
I wonder which flag would show at the top of this post?
Cecil "Lemme just start the Boer wars because I'm greedy fuck and help SA apartheid party come to power despite not actually giving a single fuck about racial segregation and up till this point actually treat my black employees equally because the national party promised to support my hostile take over of Boer territories" Rhodes
>>47406503
>>47400856
If you look past his scientific achievements, Benjamin Franklin was a complete asshole. He was sent to London before the war to make the Americans case for greater political representation, and then spent most of his time attending scientific symposia and generally hobnobbing with the London elite. If he had done his job there might very well not have been a war - the government had no objection to American demands in principle, they just didn't fully understand what their demands were. Parliament kept treating it like a financial dispute long after it had moved onto a general protest about the relationship between the colonies and Britain, and hence all their efforts at conciliation (by restructuring trade rules so Americans still had to pay taxes, but got cheaper goods overall) were pointless.
Then once the war had started, Franklin was sent to France to make the American case to the French. And once again, he did very little actual work petitioning the French government, and a lot of socialising in scientific circles. Oh, and fucking every whore who came within reach. In fact, the Americans actually had to send someone over to France to chaperone Franklin and make him tone down his man-slutting and, you know, do some actual work.
Franklin also disowned his son because he supported the British
>>47393770
>>47405637
Fucking hell, this again...
Someone who is Lawful:
>Has a Code, or set of rigid or semi-rigid personal tenets
>Follows this Code, even (especially) when doing so is inconvenient
>Has difficulty making exceptions to or following plans and actions in conflict with this Code
Most people - not all, mind, but most - have in their Code a basic understanding of 'Try not to break the law (unless you really, really need to).
Chaotic isn't 'Fuck Teh Lawzors!!', and Lawful isn't 'I Am The Law'. It's how strongly you hold yourself to your Code, or whether you prefer to be more personally flexible.
Son of a -bitch- will you fuckers please read the fucking PHB sometime.
>>47406503
The united states purchased florida you stupid jackass. If you're gonna twist history to tell a narrative at least do it right.
>>47406775
>because I made a pro-British post and a faggot is a bundle of wood in Britain
well I suppose at least you put some thought into your insult
>>47407181
no they didn't. They purchased Louisiana. Florida they simply stole
Florida was annexed in much the same way as Texas - a bunch of border-hopping Americans started entering the territory illegally, and when they'd finally reached critical mass rebelled and defeated the Spanish garrison. Then they declared an 'independent republic'. The US annexed it after three months, over Spain's objections but there wasn't much they could do about it.
>>47407332
Wrong
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams%E2%80%93On%C3%ADs_Treaty
>>47406503
>"Stable and progressive" British empire
>Global hegemony
>Good
>mfw people still believe masonic lies
>>47407396
half-right. The US took northern FLorida in the manner I described, then bullied spain into 'selling' them the rest. And by selling, I don't mean that America actually paid Spain anything for Florida itself, as you'd have seen if you actually bothered to read the article you linked. The government just agreed to pay off US citizens who had made legal claims against Spain - in effect it was just America giving money to America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams%E2%80%93On%C3%ADs_Treaty#Details_of_the_treaty
>The U.S. did not pay Spain for Florida, but instead agreed to pay the legal claims of American citizens against Spain, to a maximum of $5 million, under Article 11
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._H._Holmes
You barely even need to change anything.
>>47407517
Britain was the most progressive country in the world throughout the 18th century, and a vehicle for spreading that progressivism (they gave safe haven to Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire when they fell afoul of their own, autocratic, governments). It was only after the American and French revolutions, which were a bloody mess and discredited a lot of liberal thinkers in England, that Britain became more reactionary.
And Britain's global hegemony keep the peace globally for 99 years after the end of the Napoleonic wars. Imagine how much longer that peace would have lasted if Britain had been able to bring Americans industry and manpower to bear against Germany in 1914.
>>47406503
>If this one historical variable was otherwise, we'd be living in a paradise right now!
>Ignoring the fact that history is a mess of humans being fallible, selfish idiots
We'd have found plenty of other stupid crap to fight over, don't you worry.
>>47407583
Sure, the money never went to spain, but it alleviated spanish debts, so how is that any different than giving them money and them paying the debts themselves? It's not like american citizens and the american government are the same thing. Plus, in your interpretation of history, you're ignoring the fact that the US had yet to become a major world power. You're telling me that some American settlers overwhelmed the spanish garrison and conquered spanish lands, and the spanish just let it happen? The spanish could have crushed the settlers if they wanted to keep florida. Instead they signed a treaty. It's not like the US strongarmed them into it, since they weren't influential or powerful enough to do that yet.
Also, in the article which you selectively read for stuff that supported you
>Florida had become a burden to Spain, which could not afford to send settlers or garrisons.
The treaty was accepted by the spanish, and it actually relieved tensions between the spanish and Americans and allowed the US to diminish its military. There was no hostile militant takeover, as you seem to want everyone to believe.
>>47400714
>Robert Liston is the only man who has performed surgery in which 300% of the people being operated on died.
10/10
>>47401080
underrated
>>47402470
>Oliver Cromwell
>Captain no-fun-allowed who literally stole christmas.
![1362395134706[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hX3fWPO.jpg "1362395134706[1].jpg")
>>47407781
>You're telling me that some American settlers overwhelmed the spanish garrison and conquered spanish lands, and the spanish just let it happen?
>The spanish could have crushed the settlers if they wanted to keep florida.
in 1810, when the Americans invaded, Spain was under occupation by Napoleon Bonaparte's France. And after that experience their global power-projection was greatly diminished.
jesus christ, I know you're an American but if you're that historically ignorant you might want to avoid starting arguments over this kind of thing.
>There was no hostile militant takeover, as you seem to want everyone to believe.
what would you call American settlers attacking the Spanish garrison, and Madison then sending in troops to secure the territory for America?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Florida
>Florida had become a burden to Spain, which could not afford to send settlers or garrisons.
yeah - it was a burden because of the cost of defence - which wouldn't have been a problem if they didn't have to defend it from invading Americans. If Spain didn't want Florida why did they resist American attempts to purchase it for so long?
>>47402697
>who don't make a point out of either obeying or disobeying laws
No, it's not what Neutral is about. Obeissance to rules and laws isn't generally what the Chaos-Lawful axis as well. It's all about having a code of conduct (an internal one) and/or respecting it.
>>47407396
>Spain was unwilling to invest further in Florida, encroached on by American settlers
>encroached on by American settlers
>American General Andrew Jackson had pursued them into Spanish Florida. He attacked and captured forts, such as the so-called "Negro Fort" (an abandoned British fort manned by escaped slaves and Native Americans), in Florida that he thought were assisting the raids into American territory.
Right.
>>47407701
>And Britain's global hegemony keep the peace globally for 99 years after the end of the Napoleonic wars.
Where, exactly? Certainly not Europe, America, Africa, or Asia...
I plan to include an exaggerated Marcus Garvey in my Edge of the Empire campaign as an anti-imperial industrialist, using non-human rights as a cover for his scummy business practices in his rush to expand his illicit trade network.
I also hope to include Zizek, but I'm not sure how. Inquisitor? Rebel?
>>47408742
the wars fought between 1815 and 1914 were mere skirmishes compared to the Napoleonic Wars, or the wars that were fought during the 18th century for that matter, with the more powerful nations confined to the occasional sparring in Europe because any full-scale global conflict (like the Seven Years War) would automatically be won by the British navy.
I bet you could could get some sort of stop-the-mad-scientist-from-building-his-doomsday-machine campaign out of this guy
>>47393770
Sir Timothy Dexter
Here's some of what wikipedia has on him
At the end of the American Revolutionary War he bought large amounts of depreciated Continental currency that was worthless at the time. After the war was over, the U.S. government made good on the dollars. By the time trade connections resumed, he had amassed a fortune. He built two ships and began an export business to the West Indies and to Europe.
Because he was largely uneducated, his business sense was considered peculiar. He was inspired to send warming pans (used to heat sheets in the cold New England winters) for sale to the West Indies, a tropical area. His captain sold them as ladles for the local molasses industry and made a good profit. Next, Dexter sent wool mittens to the same place, where Asian merchants bought them for export to Siberia.
People jokingly told him to "ship coal to Newcastle". He did so during a miners' strike at the time, and his cargo was sold at a premium. At another time, practical jokers told him he could make money shipping gloves to the South Sea Islands. His ships arrived there in time to sell the gloves to Portuguese boats on their way to China.
He also faked his own death and wrote a book without any punctuation.
>>47393997
>Thatcher
>Not a typical villain
u wot m8
>>47412725
>wrote a book without any punctuation.
>In the second edition, Dexter added an extra page which consisted of 13 lines of punctuation marks with the instructions that readers could distribute them as they pleased
not sure how he could be a BBEG though. Maybe some sort of chaotic neutral adversary who keeps setting up elaborate ways to take out the PCs despite never really meaning to, or even being aware that they consider him a BBEG
>>47395924
>Nikola Tesla
I wonder who's behind this post
>>47412947
If it was random amount of "spare" punctuation then it's just silly.
If it was exactly the right amount for sentences in the book, then it's fucking glorious.
Mother Therese.
Stanley Kubrick
Walt Disney
>>47393997
>>47412882
>implying Thatcher wasn't a Paladin, committed to doing the right thing even if it meant taking the hardest path
>>47393935
>Communist
>not evil
Pick one.
>>47394060
Hellene, a hot place full of monsters that will rape your asshole -> Hell, a hot place full of monsters that will rape your asshole
coincidence? I think not!
>>47394060
It kinda worked in the end, didn't it?
Socrates' death enshrined his evil teachings in the hearts and minds of a hundred generations of Europe's progeny, and look where we've ended up. The force of darkness triumphed and the old gods have been forgotten.
>>47413141
*Hellas
>>47413117
>>47399589
It would have been incredibly easy for Tesla to become one of the greatest villains in history if he had been exposed to the right influences around the time he got swindled by Edison.
The dude was a Croatian originally. Imagine if he'd come in contact with the political radicals involved in the formation of Yugoslavia at the time and had been persuaded to set aside pacifism and actually build his theoretical doomsday machines to help his countrymen stand up to the powerful Ottoman and European empires that threatened them.
>>47411075
And he was super gay too
>>47413171
you know I'm right
>>47413323
yeah, and Mona Lisa might actually be trap he fancied
>>47413171
He's not entirely wrong. Wrestling power from the unions is worth great sacrifices, because unions with power is what gives you communism.
>>47406380
>>47406503
>>47393770
Gandhi.
>>47413315
>Understanding this little about the Pigeon fucker.
>>47413171
>>47413791
don't forget coming to the aid of the falklands when they were invaded. There are still people on the left in Britain who shit on her for that, despite the fact that she went to war to protect a community of impoverished sheep farmers from a fascist dictatorship intent on seizing their land and murdering them.
>>47413017
You could probably also use every single punctuation mark and not even finish the book.
>>47394060
just be careful - you could hide some fairly intense magical realm in classical Athens
>>47414502
>Manly ripped dudes will never fuck you in the ass as hard as the greeks fucked each other
Born too late to experience Athenian men, born to early for Athenian sex bots.
>>47413916
Even Tesla didn't understand what was going on in Tesla's head. He was the living instrument of the Machine God's will, and suffered more san loss than an H.P. Lovecraft protagonist.
>>47414573
Dear Anon, >>>/fit/ might be just the place you're looking for. Give it a shot. Just remember to start small and always lube up thoroughly.
>>47406503
>implying the reason they didn't pay it back was the French Revolution
They owed the debts to the King. King is dead, no debts.
>>47414793
except that there was ten years between the end of the American war and the revolution, and they didn't pay it back then
Who was that one Samaria who beat the other guy to death with a boat oar to beat the other dudes stupidly long sword's reach? I feel like he'd make maybe not a good BBEG, but a really great recurring villain. The kind who just shows up out of no where to fuck with the party.
>>47414912
assuming you meant samurai, you may be thinking of Miyamoto Musashi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_of_Kiev
>>47415233
Why does she always have that yandere expression and make the cross look so lewd?
>>47414581
And then Einstein generation came along and figured out teslas insane improbable machines were infact I insane and impossible.
>>47415233
>>47415330
>ywn have a girl as best as Olga
What is even the point of living?
>>47415340
>implying that Einstein wasn't trying to protect us from knowledge we shouldn't possess
>>47408024
Cromwell's almost cartoonish, in respects. He definitely belongs in the Tyson Zone, like Mike Tyson, Charlie Sheen and Christian Weston Chandler, where their reputation is so outrageous you could make up almost anything about them and have people believe you. While by all accounts he went overboard there, the fact that a significant amount of Irishpeople believe his troops used babies is shield isn't hard to swallow compared to all the other stuff he pulled there.
>>47416508
as shields*
Anyway, why not Emperor Norton, First and Only Emperor of the United States, with the competence to back up his insanity?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton
>>47414502
Philosophers were the only ones exempt from having to fight in the army. The only philosopher worth a damn was Diogenes. Mother fucking lived in a barrel, and spent his time making fun of faggots like Socrates and Plato.
>>47394343
>Salinas
He looks like a fucking vampire too. You can't make this shit up.
>>47416658
Also talked shit to Alexander the Great, to his face.
> Get your Imperial shadow the fuck out of my sunlight.
>>47416843
Don't forget, that was his response to Alex telling him that if he ever needed anything from him, he need only ask. This was coming from the emperor of fucking Rome.
And Alexander fucking loved him for it. "If I was not Alexander, then I would surely wish to be Diogenes"
>>47414581
Tesla was the inspiration for the short story Nylarthotep.
>>47416602
I like that idea. Maybe give him a ancient Egyptian prince as a companion.
>>47417133
>Alexander
>emperor of Rome
>>47417133
>Alexander the Great
>Emperor of Rome
Anon...
>>47417945
>>47417974
The Rome of our hearts.
>>47418063
I like the ERE too, but c'mon.
>>47413967
This. She's a shit and we got the rise of isolationist nationalist movements in Europe to blame on her economic policy, but she at least had a lot of them shot somewhere on the globe.
>>47417945
Alexander's realm was the Empire idiots think Rome was.
The progressive one with all the science.
>>47416508
cromwell did nothing wrong. The Irish deserved everything they got
>Michael Bay
An artist who's forsaken the need for actual artistic meaning and just paints works that will sell for high prices.
>Saint-Just
The youngest member of the government who gains respect by befriending a more influential figure. Uses intimidation tactics as the more brutal, pragmatic right-hand man to his ally and superior (Robespierre).
While maybe not entirely unconventional, he was a crazy bastard and one that is not all that well known.
A crackpot throughout his entire life, in the Spanish Civil War he took part in Franco's army and started a radio station where he broadcast all of the evil shit he and his men were doing and encouraged others to follow their example. He was also a notorious bullshitter claiming that he and a few good men took Seville when in reality his 4000 men stormed it and the defenders were weak and running out of ammo.
>>47413791
And that's why the industrialized nations were the first to turn to communism - oops. They didn't.
>>47420526
That's where the assassinations and disappearances come in
>>47393997
>Thatcher
Perfect. She lurks in the night, snatching milk from children so their bones twist and teeth fall out.
>>47413899
I mean have you played Civ? His AI is one of the most aggressive
>>47413103
>Stanley Kubrick
I think the more interesting BBEGs would be the people who killed Stanley Kubrik
>Walt Disney
not really much unconventional about him. He underpaid all his animators and then smeared any who resisted his abusive employment practices as communists.
Freud. Although I guess that's already been done in the form of Dr. Strange. Still, I'd like to see a villain that's basically the same idea, but with the only motivation of driving the party to the edge of their psyches for fun.
>>47393770
Hmmm. Socrates? Starting a cult of dual personality and philosophy while making a small army of discontent, anarchistic youths? Its certainly how Athens saw him.
>>47420460
>An artist who's forsaken the need for actual artistic meaning
I'd rather make the Jackass guys terrorists. "I am Bam Margera and I am going to assassinate the President while riding an unicycle."
>>47423876
Were it Platon's or Socrates' pupils who were recruited from the echelons of Athenian nobility and who did overthrow the state at one point?
>>47424074
Hey, Bam!
>>47413967
>he aid of the falklands when they were invaded. There are still people on the left in Britain who shit on her for that, despite the fact that she went to war to protect a community
That would never end on war, both Argentina and UK knew this.
Argentina just tried to occupy and pointless and useless piece of land so they could show their dick and brag about. UK could never send troops so far or so little.
It would be near impossible and pointless to do that. Yet, they did it.
UK just executed a unpractical and inadvisable plan to supply and fuel their planes on the air and send some aircrafts there. That was just a practical way to say "well, you think that we could not send airplanes? we can...stop this bullshit or we will just bomb your ass off"
My point is... This is not about a BBEG showing loyalty... Its like the orc tribe that attack small towns because they never think that the emperor on another continent would even care. They are right, the emperor dont care, but want to fuck with the tribe just for the lulz... he is also a cunt and it will say "Yes small town, I sent a crazy and unstable wizard to nuke the orcs just because you are my people too... Btw, that was a awsome explosion, right?"
>>47394128
>Morgan
Definite BBEG material
>Carnegie
>Rockefeller
I don't see it with these two. Seeing as both of them were self made and left tremendous amounts of money to charity they might be better as either generic setting "puppet masters" who are just trying to protect a delicate world from descending into chaos.
>>47400856
>>47406641
Don't forget:
>petitions the congress to print scrip as currency
>happens to run the only printing shop capable of making it in Philadelphia
Crafty bastard.
>>47409208
>I also hope to include Zizek, but I'm not sure how. Inquisitor? Rebel?
Man who steals trash from dumpsters only so he can eat it. He sustains himself only by doing this and making pedestrians fell uncomfortable by walking up to them in public and talking about his sexual fetishes.
>>47426430
Also, all the illegitimate children.
>>47418409
If all idiots (and smart people, for that matter) in the world think that I'm the Queen of England, I still don't get to be one.
I was about to write an essay on how you couldn't be the Roman emperor when Rome existed as a separate entity and wasn't even an empire yet, or how it was hard to be "the progressive empire with all the science" when you stopped existing and broke into three pieces in less than 20 years, but then I realized where I am.
>>47427160
Why do you have to be a dick about it?
You've got knowledge, spread it around, educate the anons.
Eero Saarinen. Dead for years, but his greatest work will shatter this world.
>>47416508
You know the best part? I'm living proof hius family got bred out by the Irish in the end!
>>47413967
>Reagan not nuking Britain so hard Threads would look like Paradise for the Monroe Doctrine
Wasted opportunity.
>>47429464
except that
1. Reagan and Thatcher were anti-commie BFFs
2. USA and Britain were NATO buddies
and
3. The UK has enough nukes of its own to obliterate every major city in the US and turn America into a Mad Max-style wasteland
hmmm... actually that is a wasted opportunity
>>47430015
>Britbong delusions
>>47406380
Yeah thats right. We dont give a fuck if its Christmas, or about anything else. If you fuck with us, you made your choice.
Not giving a fuck is a cornerstone of being American. We're sharks in a feeding frenzy, we will eat each other or anything else thats prey. And everything is prey.
Top of the food chain on this planet. The rest of the world exists because we allow it to. We have no shame or mercy. Its sad, but life is a struggle and we arent fucking around.
>>47430015
>The UK has enough nukes of its own to obliterate every major city in the US and turn America into a Mad Max-style wasteland
Any country with nukes could do that to any country on the planet. Its not an accomplishment, or a measure of anything meaningful really.
>>47406503
>and then invading and conquering Spanish Florida.
Because indian tribes kept using the border as a way to evade pursuit and Spain wasn't policing them well enough.
And telling European loansharks to go fuck themselves was a time honored American tradition until Wilson fucked it all up.
We even killed Hamilton for being a patsy to British banksters.
>>47430288
>Because indian tribes kept using the border as a way to evade pursuit and Spain wasn't policing them well enough.
Let's be honest, why should the natives have given a fuck about borders that some random assholes from an ocean over drew across territories that had little to do with the natural geography, to keep each other's people out.
>>47430269
>Its not an accomplishment, or a measure of anything meaningful really.
There are only about 8 or nine countries in the world with any nuclear weapons at all (depending on whether you believe north korea). Of those, Pakistan almost certainly isn't able to hit the US (along with N. Korea, if they have them) and Israel and India's capacity to cause total devastation is doubtful. That leaves only four nations, Britain, France, Russia and China, who are definitely able to wipe the US off the map.
>>47431297
>a nuclear power can wipe another world power off the map
Ok. Not sure of your point though. Is it supposed to suggest or imply something about the US? Nuclear weapons are destructive, and the US isnt immune to them. The US could just as easily wipe anyone off the map.
Im inclined to believe that if there is one country on earth that stands a chance of surviving a nuclear attack, its the US. No nation on earth takes military might and defense as serious as the US.
>>47402200
I think you'll find the whigs in parliament where the real villains
They fucked the British war effort to tatters and allowed the americans to win
Worst of all they thought they'd get to keep the colonies even while they threw wrenches into the gears
>>47430474
But they did use that border quite well.
>>47431403
>if there is one country on earth that stands a chance of surviving a nuclear attack, its the US
>if
yeah, but there isn't
the post that started this line of conversation was saying that Reagan should have nuked the UK. So it's fairly relevant to point out that the UK could nuke the US right back
>>47398192
>He wants to nuke the world back to the stone age.
>>47432177
actually, whatever you think about Ghandi's politics, his economic views are a big part of the reason that India is now much poorer than China despite the fact that at independence it was much richer. His ideas about primitive anarcho-communism that he inflicted on India have probably been responsible for as many deaths, through the malnutrition and lack of medical care that poverty brings, as Stalin or Mao. Well, maybe not quite that many, but you get the idea.
>>47426360
>I don't see it with these two. Seeing as both of them were self made and left tremendous amounts of money to charity they might be better as either generic setting "puppet masters" who are just trying to protect a delicate world from descending into chaos.
They were also super fucking petty.
One of them liked to make jokes at the other's mother's expense. The other sent him a brown paper apron as a Christmas gift, to remind him how fucking poor he used to be.
They were probably going to be philanthropists anyway, but they ended up giving as much as they did (which was a fuckton like Jesus Christ Carnegie a library in every state) because they just couldn't stop competing with each other.
>>47394060
Why stop at socrates? Just about every philosopher could be made into a BBEG. You could certainly do a lot with Nietzche and his ideas about the ubermensch
>>47406922
>Someone who is Lawful:
>>Has a Code
you're retarded
>>47433955
>You could certainly do a lot with Nietzche and his ideas about the ubermensch
Nietzsche wasn't exactly politically influential when he was alive. If it's Germans from that period you're looking for, we got Wagner as a bard BBEG.
>>47433955
>Every philosophical revolution was guided by mischievous and malevolent spirits from outside of our realityjust like the spirit of Rock and Roll in Pratchett's 'Soul Music'
>>47424469
>uncontrollable weeping
Bam Margera's fear of snakes is a source of the purest joy. Fuck Bam Margera.
>>47434941
I don't really think so. Isn't this a modern stereotype. If I'm not mistaken, Nietzche wrote for the INNER personality, not the outer society; he HATED how the Nazis took his shit and ran with it. He seemed like the guy who would be a personal trainer, not a dictator.
>>47393770
Horatio Nelson survives the battle of Trafalagar and overthrows the republican elements of the UK and sees George IV as a weak, fat, decadent fool, and uses his popularity to oust the king and crowns himself Emperor of the British. He runs around Europe, keeping up other royalist governments, and the duke of Wellington, also a conservative, is his right hand man on the side of land. Eventually, they invade the US.
>>47435602
He died in 1900 so he had very, very few opinions on the Nazis. He wasn't a fan of the bombastic nationalists that did exist at the time I believe, though.
>>47435636
Thats what I meant, aye. There was another ultra-nationalist movement at the end of the 1890s and 1900s he might had seen in Germany at the time, what was it called....The Pan-German league, I think.
Aleister Crowley and Alessandro Cagliostro
Gabrielle D'annunzio, an italian poet and airforce warhero from WW1. He didn't like that Italy had given over the city of Fiume (present day Rijeka in Croatia) after the war, so he took it back with his soldiers.
He then wanted to give Italy back the city but Italy wasnt interested, so D'Annunzio decided to declare Fiume a city-state. It is said he allied with an italian naval officer who raided wine transports in the adriatic sea, and that readings of his poetry was performed ecery week to the citizens of the town.
>>47435881
Fiume was a city-state founded by operators on coke and its party-scene most likely was the direct inspiration for Mussolini's Fascism.
>>47406503
Fuck off Eternal Anglo, you are the Carthaginian vampire, the mercantilist scourge of Europe, culture, decency, and cooking.
>>47415233
The fearboner is real. I would not hesitate twice to obey her
>>47415233
speaking of strong Russian women, what about Catherine the Great? (yes, I'm aware that she was German, but she became Russian.)
>>47434941
>>47435602
>>47435636
>>47435657
Also, his bitch of a sister re-wrote his manuscripts to ingratiate herself with the Nazis.
>>47413315
>I come back to /tg/
>this is the first thing I see
Ah yes the supposedly "knowledgable" board of /tg/
1. Tesla was a Serb that lived in Croatia
2. At the time Serbia was independent, Croatia was a province of Austria-Hungary
3. The Ottoman "Empire" was already on it's last feet
>>47395924
I actually used Tesla as a villain in a Call of Cthulhu game. The fungi from yuggoth taught him all his super science in exchange for human slaves.
>>47436366
>all that butthurt
>still delivered in English
>>47439831
you realise that nothing you said contradicts anything he said:
1. Tesla was probably more Croatian than he was Serb, having been born there (inb4 a flood of butthurt Serbs)
2. Croatian nationalists were starting to gain traction and demand more independence from Austria, while Serbia was under constant threat of annexation by Austria
3. The Ottoman Empire was still much more powerful than the Yugoslav states and still had significant territories in the Balkans
>>47432884
Plus, the guy slept with his underage nieces. He also had a opinion of Blacks that wouldn't be out of place in /pol/. Yeah, Ghandi was kind of a douchebag.
>>473937709
If you wanted to view his life in a darker light, Sam Houston. Slaver, leading a rebellion partly fueled by a desire to own slaves (that was very much a American proxy war), against a army so poorly trained and led by a Adam Sandler character. Yep I don't like the incredible border jumpers either, but Houston would make for a good villain-but, the real threat wouldn't be him it'd be Santa Anna and all his terrible decisions.
>>47440369
He also displaced a couple of millions of people.
