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Ultimate Equipment Errata (updated 5/19)
>http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tmc?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Ultimate-Equipment
When will you anons realize that DMs overrule whatever garbage exists in the books and Paizo are absolute morons.
Yes, you can use Vital Strike with siege weapons
Yes, you can take Eldritch Heritage: Sylvan to get an animal companion
Yes, you can CdG with a firearm
Yes, you can worship Asmodeus as a LG Paladin
Yes, your magic sleeves makes your rags smell and feel like the finest silk
Yes, I will allow your Construct Rider Alchemist to have a Mammoth as a companion
Yes, the rogue can get a mutagen discovery as a rogue talent after you took Mutagen since you asked nicely
Yes, lets not run any of Paizo's APs because its stupid as fuck
Yes, I will allow PoW and Psionics
Yes, I will allow your Magical Child to use the Magus spell list instead
Yes, your AntiPaladin can be any other alignment as long as you obey a set doctrine we will discuss properly
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>>47348509
>When will you anons realize that DMs overrule whatever garbage exists in the books and Paizo are absolute morons.
See:
>>47346947
>>47348571
If pic related doesn't make people question Paizo, nothing will.
>>47348629
So tell me, what would /pfg/'s reaction be ifit turned out Shuguru was the kitsune MILF that Dorian was thinking about a while back?
>>47348629
We have to make a magic item for PoW that changes the wardrobe when the user changes stances.
I'm not sure how it would look when the Warlord uses Dual Stance, but it doesn't matter since no campaign will ever go that far.
Does anyone have Inner Sea Intrigue?
>>47348629
That's fine, anon. It's just a homage.A homuage.
No need to snipe their harmless attempts at fun, question their actual poor design decisions.
The entirety of the Magical Child class mechanics, for example.
>>47348509
>>Yes, you can take Eldritch Heritage: Sylvan to get an animal companion
this isn't retarded
>>Yes, you can worship Asmodeus as a LG Paladin
pretty dumb
>>you can coup degrace with a firearm
yes, you absolute retard, why wouldn't you be able to?
>>yes your magic sleeves do a thing that a cantrip and a 1st level spell can do
Paizo is absolutely balls to the walls fucking retarded, is this threally all you have? you sound like a cuck who hates fun.
>>Yes I will allow your animal companion not to suck ass
mhmm
>>yes i will allow your magical child not be entirely ass.
>>yes your antipaladin/paladin must obey a strict doctrine and can be alignments, that way you can actually play them in a real game instead of have to rape the campaign.
I don't know maybe I'm just salty and misreading that you actually meant that paizo doesn't allow any of this and you do, but it sure seems like the other way around.
> http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?488709-Ultimate-Equipment-Errata&p=20798492&viewfull=1#post20798492
> Paidrone praising the nerfs as masterful balancing
Just fucking wake me up. Scroll down a bit for paidrone.
>>47348774
Let's do something better.
I'm not lucid enough right now to make a statblock for a Desperado Gunslinger with Riven Hourglass / Time Mystery Oracle / Battle Templar.
>>47348774
To be honest, I question the design decisions of including any caster classes after Wizard and Magus when they can pretty much do everything you want already. Or maybe I'm just bad at min-maxing and can't figure out how to make a witch that isn't an inferior wizard or a sorcerer that isn't just a wizard with a slightly altered spell mechanic and useless bloodline baggage I don't need most of the time.
>>47348629
The hell is this?
I am a massive homufag but what the fuck.
>>47348812
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/vigilante/archetypes/vigilante-archetypes---paizo-inc/magical-child
I guess the PSRD removed the imagine, but if you buy the physical copy, that's the picture that appears by this class.
>>47348809
>I don't like spontanious casting
that doesn't mean it's not good. especially if you play in a game where the number of spells matters in a fight instead of being 1-3 rounds of prep then the wizard wins the encounter
>>47348825
I like Spontaneous casting, but I can't help but sorta feel like it would have been better off as an archetype or something and not getting bogged down in bloodline baggage that is nowhere near worth the wizard features you give up.
>>47348796
Don't see it. I see people universally bitching about the nerfs.
Even the Paizo forums are filled with angry people. Paizo dun fucked up.
>>47348796
Wait. What the FUCK did they do to the Ring of Ferocious Action?!
>>47348796
The fuck?
>>47348849
Look for Florian's posts there fampai.
>>47348833
>>nowhere near worth
I very much disagree. the wizard feats just aren't that important compared to the school powers. thats what actually makes wizards a good class on top of the flexability. the arcanas are superior in scope most of the time though, and while like all things in paizoland theres a rollercoaster of quality, arcanas allow for blasters to be viable, they allow for you to ignore certain immunities, they allow you to get bonuses you simply can't find elsewhere in the game.
There is something to be said about not playing a sorcerer because if you want bloodlines you can buy them with feats, but its one of the best arcane spontaneous casters for filling a specialized role. The only school that is "be a wizard always" is Illusionist.
What are some good medium/small humanoid race for Skinshaper Druid to change into?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/skinshaper-druid-archetype
Kasatha seem like a given for 4 arms (along with free IUS). Hybrid lycanthrope can help with utility.
>>47348809
>>47348825
>>47348833
Spells per day/Prepared Spells is an awful mechanic that slows the entire game down. To be honest, when I GM I just give my players a pool of "mana points" equal to the levels of all their spell slots added together and let them spontaneously cast everything, regardless of what caster class they're playing.
Although I somewhat balance it out by saying wizards can only learn spells above level 2 in their chosen Specialty School and Sorcerors/Witches can only learn spells that match the "theme" of their bloodline or Patron.
Am I a shit GM? It hasn't caused any problems so far, but nobody in my group really knows what they're doing. I feel like experienced players could tear me apart.
>>47348853
>Erratta'd Ring:
>This ring allows its wearer to persevere through physical or mental trauma that hampers his actions. Once per day, when the
wearer gains the staggered condition from an enemy’s attack, she can ignore that condition for up to 5 rounds. This does not prevent her from gaining the staggered condition again, and it doesn’t protect her if she gained
the staggered condition multiple times.
>>47348889
I wouldn't say this is shit, but i definitely wouldn't play either of those classes in your game since A: clerics get to ignore it, B: I rarely ever build single dimension characters anyway.
I'm also assuming you banned the universalist, if you didn't and they get to learn any spell of any level at all times while the others are stuck at 2 then you are unfortunately a shit DM
>>47348809
>>47348825
>>47348833
>>47348875
I'm probably a huge faggot for saying this, but I think casters should have to specialise, and specialise hard. A giant spell list full of problem solving annoys me.
Like, 2E spherecasting and no generalist wizards. You have your two, MAYBE three known schools. Choose wisely.
>>47348889
Have you looked at Spheres? It's pretty cool and operates off a spell point system.
Also makes people have to actually focus on what they want to do, rather than being able to take their first ever spell in a school they've never touched and still be as good as a guy that's been using that school since level 1.
>>47348902
As the progenitor of the Pounce Hunter, Pounce Inquisitor build (Stick Together + RoFA), I am fucking livid. My peripheral vision actually went blank for a moment and felt an anger akin to seeing hitler murdering my cat with a dildo.
>>47348859
I mean... they're not wrong. Once you get used to the system, there are optimal choices. He's just got it backwards. You should dethrone optimal items by making ones that are on-par with them for differing builds, rather than just nerfing everything.
>>47348923
spontanious casters already don't have a shit ton of options and an infinite toolkit. being able to choose non awful spells or thematically appropriate ones is basically vital for them to combare to other casters to begin with but even assuming you nerf it to be viable, all of your casters are going to fucking ignore 50-70% of schools that exist if you do this.
>>47348932
Don't know if you were the progenitor, I've been doing that for a while. But yeah, it's so bad I can't even find words.
>>47348936
>You should dethrone optimal items by making ones that are on-par with them for differing builds, rather than just nerfing everything.
Unfortunately this is PRECISELY how Paizo "balances" a game. Not by making things better, but by destroying everything and salting the earth.
>>47348932
I notice they did this with a few things.
Things which had like, variable durations or uses turned into 1/day items that make them not so worth it.
I mean fuck. I could DEAL with the Recon Gloves being cut down to 5 feet. 5 feet is still a good distance, enough to look through most normal walls and doors.
But cutting it from 10 rounds total per day to be used as you see fit to 10 rounds, once per day is fucking asinine.
When do you need to look through a single wall for ten fucking rounds? That's long enough for it to be wasted on actual recon, and too short for spying.
>>47348949
No shit Sherlock.
I'm just pointing out that the guy isn't completely wrong, and he's not 100% defending Paizo. Pretty much everyone agrees these rules are horseshit.
For one brief moment the hearts of fa/tg/uys, GitP Autists, and Paidrones are all beating as one. The hatred is uniting us.
>>47348706that would make it even better
>>47348968
>For one brief moment the hearts of fa/tg/uys, GitP Autists, and Paidrones are all beating as one. The hatred is uniting us.
Nah, FUCK Paidrones. They made their fucking bed.
But we really need to send our grievances to Paizo. With enough of a ruckus, even those faggots would have to listen.
>>47348965
Meanwhile clairvoyance is in the crb and a level three spell and does this even better, and is minutes/level
>>47348889
I kind of wanted to do something like this as well. No mana system though, too much for me.
Wizards get a primary, secondary, and tertiary school. They can only cast spells from these three schools. Primary schools get a +1 bonus to caster level/dcs/dice rolled/duration/whatever. Tertiary get the opposite.
Thought about allowing you to spend feat slots to boost a school up that ladder or maybe add another one at tertiary, not sure though. Primary and secondary might also be enough.
I just hated that wizards could learn every fucking spell with almost no sacrifice or payment for it. Really dumb when someone goes "I am a necromancer!" and yet can sling fireballs, cast illusions, toss animal-like buffs on allies, and fly.
>>47348968
what's a good school of magic for an arcane sorcerer to have spell focus and +caster level in? Necromancy seems solid, but I'm not sure if the flavor fits my concept. Any of the other schools would fit fine, though.
I'm seeing a lot of people in GitP and Paizo forums actually boycotting the book.
Makes sense - There is no errata if we pretend the book never fucking existed in the first place.
>>47348994
Do you also force your fighters to focus on two or three weapons exclusively? Having 3.5 school system with no generalists would be better in my opinion.
>>47348994
>I just hated that wizards could learn every fucking spell with almost no sacrifice or payment for it. Really dumb when someone goes "I am a necromancer!" and yet can sling fireballs, cast illusions, toss animal-like buffs on allies, and fly.
You sacrifice gold though. Scroll costs + writing(Not that you need gold because the only item you *really* need is a band of +int)
>>47349002
litterally not possible to answer without knowing more about what you want to do
>In quick runner’s shirt, in the second sentence, change “on his turn” to “and then immediately end his turn, losing any unspent actions. A character must wear this shirt continuously for 24 hours before he can activate this ability.”
FUCK Paizo.
>>47349012
Really it is more cost effective to just save up for several blessed books. So all you need is access to the spell which cost half the scribing cost generally, so in other words cheap as shit.
>>47348994
>>47348938
My other shitty, shitty idea for it was doing every spell at different levels for different lists, but they're all that thing.
For example, Invisibility would be lowest in illusion, of course, but there would be an enchantment spell a level or two up that did about the same effect (the SEP field idea), an evocation shenanigan that used summoned shadow, etc., and it just wouldn't be in a few schools.
You have differing levels of how good and how easy it is for different schools without everyone pulling off the same list.
I realise that's a huge paperwork headache, but so's the other.
>>47349011
Not that anon, but fighters can't tear gaping holes in reality with their weapons, so yours is kind of a false comparison.
>>47349034
Your other option is just limit their spell access, I mean they get two every level, and other then that they need scrolls or a teacher, if they have access to every spell it is because the gm allowed them access to it.
I feel physically ill looking at the 'review scores' of this book.
Those reviwers are fake, right? They're all just Paizo devs making fake personas, yeah? Nobody could possibly be this stupid to buy a book that would ruin 80% of the most useful wondrous items?
ITT: People overreacting.
>>47349043
Most spells can't tear gaping holes in reality, but you can with a portable hole and a bag of holding.
So what's your point?
>>47349011
No, but fighters don't have literally over a thousand weapons to choose from divided into 8 schools and can swap a dozen of them in and out every rest with each school generally being capable of vastly different things.
One day, a save-or-die necromancer. The next, a flying fireball shitter. After that, a machine that shits out summoned monsters. Or just be a combination of those and use whatever fits the situation once you have enough spell slots. The only cost is generally paying to learn the spell once, aside from spells learned on level up, and you can craft your own magical gear pretty cheaply using your knowledge of magic so it is not like you suffer too greatly.
Not even slightly comparable to a fighter switching from, say, a sword to an axe. Or even things that actually change how you play like a pike to a whip or to a bow.
Fighters also do often get locked into one weapon type or group anyway due to the cost of enchanting them and how feats/archetypes work.
>>47349064
the book came out litterally over 3 years ago you illiterate cuck. people are shimmyshammed over the errata
Goddamn it, they ruined Snapleaf. Fuck.
>>47349079
Kill yourself, Paidrone
>>47349064
I think the review scores are for the book prior to the errata.
>>47349023
Source right fucking now
if they decided to take away a 1/day pounce, i'm going to defecate hatred onto them.
>>47349064
Look at the review dates bro. They all came out prior to the errata.
>>47349090
That was one thing that is kiiiind of understandable, it was always supposed to be a consumable.
>>47349102
I'm fine with it being a consumable item.
I'm just mad Vanish isn't an immediate action anymore.
>>47349102
is that all they changed? that its a consumed item? no reason to be mad at that
>>47349092
""""""Enjoy""""""
>>47349092
Using a quick-runner's shirt means you end your turn after using it. Martials again get shat on.
>>47349092
Yep.
UE Errata.
The Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier now gives DEFLECTION rather than luck, and the crit negation only works ONCE EVER.
>>47349111
And uh... apparently you can only use it while falling? So hop then use it in the air?
>>47349128
I know, that's what I'm saying. It was literally the only option for a lot of martials, even into higher levels, to be able to both move and full attack in the same turn.How long before DSP introduces an item that works exactly the same as it used to
You know you people don't need to include the errata right? It's only mandatory for Society Play...
>>47349086
>Wizard has access to all 1107 spells
>Wizard has had time to scribe all those spells
>Wizard has the spells he needs at the time he needs them because he some how knows the future.
Seriously wizards are strong but stop assuming they have everything all the time, Jesus Christ you look stupid.
>>47349143
The problem is most likely the errata will affect the pfsrd site, which majority of us use.
>>47349143
I find most people just assume the errata is being used because it is 'official' and it is what the SRD gets updated to.
>>47349137
>So hop then use it in the air?
And waste a Move Action? Are you mad?
>>47349151
The problem is that they can theoretically have ALL of them.
The only limit they have is their gold, which they can also save a hefty amount of on item crafting.
They have the ability to expend gold to get more class abilities.I mean fuck, Clerics are technically worse, they just GET THEM ALL TO START WITH.
>>47349153
>>47349163
Pretty much this.
There was some talk before about the SRD actually getting onto recording previous versions of things, like before errata? That fucking failed then but we NEED it.
Fuck, I don't even KNOW what the original Crane Wing was.
>>47349151
I didn't. I said there was a cost. I said that cost was minimal, because it is. You can buy scrolls from towns or just learn the select spells you want on level ups. The gold cost is reduced by the fact that anything else you would buy with gold is cheaper for you because you are a wizard capable of crafting things you would buy, which is also partly because you can learn any (or almost any) spell. You can also salvage spells from dead wizard's spellbooks.
I don't know why you are strawmanning this hard, and I have no idea why you would try to compare what spells are capable of to what weapon types are capable of.
>>47349183
you can deflect one melee attack a round while fighting defensive
>>47349199
Noice.
And now it's ass.
Thanks Paizo, that's actually cool.
>>47349187
not saying you don't have some point but really, crafting takes time, a fuckton of time. a wizard is not going to be able to ignore it if you are smart about managing their time. of course theyre going to be amazing if you give them enough time. time is a powerful resource. regardless though, fighters do not stand up to wizards in versatility by any measure imaginable
>>47349183
We need a pre-errata version more than ever.
Ring of Ferocious Action, Jingasa, Snapleaf, Quickrunner's, Brawling and Master's Staff needs to stay its original versions.
>>47349183
>The only limit they have is their gold, which they can also save a hefty amount of on item crafting.
No their limit is also what spells they can find that people are willing to teach, did you actually read the rules for how learning spells work or are you just using the meme wizard with access to everything!
Independent research is prohibitively expensive for learning spells so you need, a spell book, usually via another wizard who is willing to let you read their books, or a scroll.
And both these things are limited by what your gm will allow you to learn, the only other option is independent study which is 100 gold per a spell level.
Also note that your gm has final say on independent research, on scroll access, and on wizard spell book access, you get 2 spells per a level you can pick the rest are up to gm discretion, if your gm allows you to collect every spell then guess what, that is the gms choice that is not a class feature that is a gm allowed it feature.
So no most wizards will not have access to every spell or even the option to learn every spell.
I'm thinking of creating an "evil" campaign. They are supposed to be new recruits in a criminal gang and their initial assignments are just to prove their worth to this new gang. When they have done so they are given more complicated tasks which eventually leads to the gang's ultimate goal: get rid of the King and make sure none of his sons take over.
What do you guys think of this idea? The idea is that they are not supposed to be Evil per se, this organisation is not Evil aligned, they just don't follow the law. Should I restriction alignments to be non-good or non-lawful?
For this I will create a rather big city where most of the campaign will take place, with rivaling gangs, different type of guards and prisons.
An example early session could be that there is a man in the bazaar who is owing the gang leader money, but he is slippery. Find him and extort him/make sure he pays in some way.
There could also be assassination, bribing and smuggling involved.
TL;DR: "evil" criminal campaign where the players are new recruits in a gang. Yay or nay?
>>47349266
seems simple enough. It would just depend on the execution.
>>47349296
Any general tips on how to bring it about? There would be an old leader in the gang and maybe 2 of his subordinates, the rest are dead and the gang needs to be re-built and gain power.
My thinking is that this makes it easy to get the party to do things, like a quest giver basically.
>>47348791
For Eldritch Heritage: Sylvan, Paizo posted a faq that you can't eldritch heritage wildblooded bloodlines, which Sylvan is.
As for the Asmodeus worshipping LG Pali, it was a thread in Paizo forums about those cucks getting mad over a loophole they made getting abused.
As for the the CdG with the firearm, the rules for CdG doesn't allow firearms to deliver a CdG. Even worse, being able to CdG with a firearm is actually gunslinger deed that requires grit.
As for the sleeves of many garments, Paizo changed it to a glamer illusion instead of an actual transforming wardrobe, thus ruining it.
Yeah, you kinda missed last thread.
If I want to run Kingmaker but use a more sensible set of kingdom-building rules, what should I use?
>>47349326
Kingdom rules are kinda sensible though?
>>47349314
>As for the sleeves of many garments, Paizo changed it to a glamer illusion
Which only affects "appearance" (so basically, sight) too.
>>47349242
>DM Care and Feeding of party notwizards
Throw them whatever random magical items you feel like, make sure the fighters get something that lets them pounce and boosts will saves.
>DM Care and Feeding of Wizards
Make sure every enemy has a self-destructing spellbook, every NPC wizard hates the idea of the wizard braintrust, and the availability of scrolls to make sure your wizard doesn't have exactly the key to solve every problem with ten minutes of prep and an empty spell slot. Also make sure to keep antimagic ninjas in reserve somewhere in the setting that really hate spellbooks.
I'm just saiyan.
You're also about to suggest "Everyone around the table not be a dick" but, but if the rules that egregiously depend on that, you can probably do fucking better.
Hell, I'd prefer the erudite's system over that.
>>47349242
>Independent research is prohibitively expensive for learning spells so you need, a spell book, usually via another wizard who is willing to let you read their books, or a scroll.
>scroll
Guess what you can buy in almost any city? Your argument seems to rely entirely on having a DM who is actively banning large chunks of the spell list from the wizard to prevent him from being too versatile, which just achieves the same thing the original post did of restricting wizards to certain schools.
This is ignoring the part where even with just the two spells per level a wizard could still cherry pick and still have at least ten times the utility of a fighter by taking the best spells from each school. This is also without getting into how scrolls are common loot and any enemy wizard will have a spellbook that you can pluck spells from.
>>47349335
Yeah, meaning touch and scent gives the illusion away.
>>47349338
This is basically my beef.
A wizard can buy class features, which he can swap out day to day. Or not choose and choose later if he has time for a sitdown.
That's not class design.
>>47349331
Absolutely not. Housing is completely unnecessary by RAW if you can keep your Unrest at 0, the ideal strategy becomes to alternate between building banks and mills while never expanding, and natural resources are of negligible importance (e.g. the smithy works just fine even without a source of metal).
Magic items become trivial when banks raise base value, thereby allowing the PCs to have a 75% chance of finding any magic item within the settlement's base value.
>>47349183
>clerics are technically worse
The main limitations on clerics are that the base spell list is primarily healan, buffan, and support shit, and all the interesting stuff is in domains anyway.
You could probably do it a different way by having areas of 'hallowed ground' for stat damage removal/rezzing/removing curses/regenerating stuff/serious healing shit and NPC priests to take care of it.
>>47348509
>tfw my group is paidrones
>friend regularly gets angry when i say that maybe Pathfinder has a few balance issues
at least everyone knows the system.
>>47349266
>alignments
well first you kill yourself
>>47349400
>friend regularly gets angry when i say that maybe Pathfinder has a few balance issues
>at least everyone knows the system.
These statements are mutually exclusive, if you know the system you know their are balance issues.
>>47349354
Alternate, simple solution.
>Can't transcribe into spellbook, but can't lose spellbook either, up picked spells to 3-4 per level instead of 2?
>Spells outside your favored school (maybe two schools?) are one level 'higher' than normal for learning and casting purposes
>Spells in your banned school are two higher
>Scrolls count as the maker's spell level for everything
>10-15 minute trance to exchange a prepared spell slot for a spell one level lower
>Wands and staves work as normal
>Runestaves work as normal but the DM gets to bonk you on the head whenever you use one
>>47349409
my group's saving grace is that we're all pretty close friends and they like the way I DM because I'm an autistic /k/ommando who rewards operators operating operationally and RP. Take the good with the bad i guess.
>>47349400
>last group actually believed that Unchained Rogue was powergaming
they shut right the fuck up when i pointed out that a trap breaker vivisectionist can replicate all of rogue's most important class features while still having extracts, but I'm pretty sure they still see me as some sort of munchkin for not taking dodge and mobility or some shit.
>>47349423
The ideas being
>If you want something outside your area of expertise, you're not gonna have an endless supply of it and it will be harder to get
>Scrolls are better for all casters instead of being catch'em all versatility tickets, allowing them to shore up said weak areas
>Let's toss in some flexibility to the prepared shenanigans so this isn't totally a nerf
>Scroll stack takes the place of spellbook as vital pile of moneypower in a bag
As for clerics, I don't know. I've always wanted to do clerics more like warlocks, but I also see why they're set up to be the durable support bastions they are. It's just always seemed weird to me that tharizdunian fanatics and totally-not-paladins use the same basic framework and heavy armor kit.
>>47349360
Yeah, the rules need a lot of 'No, players. That wouldn't work' from the GM. Which kinda ruins it being such a complex system.
Honestly, my big annoyance with the design process is the whole 6x6 square. It looks kinda dull design-wise and feels very artificial.
I'm in a game currently using the kingmaker rules. We ended up doing up a Google Sheets for our settlement to make it simple. Case in point. The Arch in this case is a unique building that counts as Barracks + Library + 4x Houses.
Actually, the non-requirement of houses kinda gets to me. As houses kinda blow aside from reducing unrest. You have little reason to actually build them to try and house population as population doesn't need anywhere to actually live.
>>47349534
Kingmaker's settlement-building rules strongly encourage a settlement consisting solely of two or three of the most cost/time-effective buildings possible, completely eliminating diversity. The very fact that Paizo has to go:
>If you get overzealous in constructing a particular type of building in a settlement, the GM should feel free to add events to discourage this practice. For example, a settlement with too many Dumps is prone to otyugh and wererat attacks, and a settlement with too many Graveyards tends to have frequent undead attacks. This should not occur, however, if you build too many Houses, Parks, Tenements, or Waterways.
Is a sign that the subsystem is a farce, because it is essentially saying "It is up to the GM to actually make these rules balanced and sensical, because they are stupid by default."
Did anyone save Unchained Swashbuckler from a while back? It doesn't seem to be on the link repository.
What the fuck is wrong with alignments you cunt?
>>47349578
Yeah. I kinda wish there was a better system for it.
Are there any games with a good system for building stuff like that? As I mean, we are using the Kingmaker rules...in a D&D 4e game. Transplanting another system's settlement building rules wouldn't be too hard.
>>47349578
It amuses me that they expect graveyards to promote undead attacks.
Regardless of the actual population of the settlement.
So you can have a swathe of EMPTY graveyards, somehow generating undead out of the fucking aether.Also the implication that graveyards naturally just result in undead, that's not how it works Paizo, the dead don't just sit up for no fucking reason.
>>47349621
Having not looked at the rules, why would you even want to cheese a settlement of entirely graveyards?
Also, this whole discussion makes me think of magnasanti.
>>47349652
The only thing I can imagine is that they double as low income housing.
That must be it.
>>47349023
They nerfed quick runners shirt? Really?
>>47349652
Graveyards cost 4bp, take one lot, and give +1 loyalty.
As far as I can tell, that's cheap? So if you wanted loyalty and ONLY loyalty, you could just build a bunch of graveyards.
6bp gets monuments, which give the same loyalty, and also reduce unrest by one, but I guess monuments are harder to use as an example of causing bad shit to happen.
I mean what could happen? They attract an inordinate amount of pigeons? Also called from the mists of space and time like the zombies?
>>47349715
they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, they're earnestly running out of things to take away from martials
>>47349652
I dunno about you, but I'd totally build a Necropolis.
>>47349747
Does this shit even need to be nerfed?
>>47349777
There is no agenda here.
>>47349790
Ok, I'm legitimately confused.
I don't get what's happening any more.
>>47349790
Real talk: Is it still possible to do the infinite strength plague muscle wizard thing?Or was that DnD 3.5?
If so, then what the actual fuck?
>>47349746
Having a setting that runs on video game rules where buildings and such spawn NPCs and monsters would be kind of cool. Like living in an RTS game.
>"Damn it guys we need to build the barracks before the evil army gets here or we won't have any troops!"
>"We can't build one without wood though"
>"Aren't there workers gathering some?"
>"Not anymore, turns out there was a graveyard nearby and they all got eaten by zombies."
>"Fuck"
>>47349790
>Barrier to new players
>Not having the new book is a barrier
>The book filled with rules
>RULES WHICH ARE UNDER THE OPEN GAME LICENSE, AND CAN BE AND REGULARLY ARE UPLOADED ON THE INTERNET IN MULTIPLE PLACES. INCLUDING BY YOU.
I CAN'T UPLOAD ENOUGH REACTIONS AT ONCE TO EXPRESS MY FURY.
>>47349817
To translate
>"Martials are shitty now and cannot change because they were that way in 3.5 and we're pretty much just ripping off 3.5. If we alter that NOW, we lose the grognards that expect it and get people to buy the new book instead of core which makes idiots on review sites give us bad reviews."
Remaining neutral on whether or not strong casters and weak martials tingles anyone's dingles up at paizo.
>>47349827
>Not posting more relevant game.
>>47349817
"Fixing the martial/caster power difference is hard so we're going to pretend it's an integral part of the system."
>>47349848
I mean i get that not everyone uses the pfsrd and sometimes you need physical material, but it's still one hell of a ball and chain for them to cling to
>>47349879
The part that annoys me the most is where he flat out says we can't change things from how they were in 3.5 it is a limit of the system.
But... they already changed some of the core things in 3.5, like xp cost for crafting, xp loss on familiar death, ect.
Then they nerfed things like the spiked chain.
And then they say shit like they inherited these problems from 3.5? I can't accept anyone is really this stupid.
>>47349848
I'll help.
>>47349746
>>47349827
As far as I am aware, the two best buildings in the Kingmaker/Ultimate Campaign rules are:
>Mill 6 BP, 1 Lot
>Kingdom Economy +1, Stability +1
>Limit Adjacent to water district border
>Special With GM approval, you can construct a windmill at the same cost without the water district border requirement
>Settlement Productivity +1
>A building used to cut lumber or grind grain.
Mills, for cheap Economy and Stability, in addition to settlement Productivity. (Loyalty is generally unimportant for a kingdom, ironically.)
>Bank 28 BP, 1 Lot
>Kingdom Economy +4
>Special Base value +2,000 gp
>A secure building for storing valuables and granting loans.
Banks, for a rapid boost to Economy in addition to a significant increase in base value. Remember that PCs have a 75% chance of finding any magic item within the settlement's base value, so the more banks there are, the better the PCs can stock up on items.
Since expanding into more hexes only increases Control DC and Consumption by significant amounts, a min-maxed kingdom is a mega-city contained in a single hex, comprised almost exclusively of mills and banks.
>>47349909
The only possible situation I can think of where you NEED physical material is in PFS. Because you NEED a physical copy (Or pdf you own) to fucking USE anything in that mess. Even if you can pull up the prd that paizo themselves operate, and show them the text, no personal copy, no go.
So EVERY book is a barrier in PFS. You wanna play something, bring the book or fuck off.
>>47349934
MORE POSTS MEANS MORE ANGER.
>>47349935
What a clusterfuck
Is there a less retarded system available or is it up to the GM to homebrew a solution?
>>47349949
>>47349949
I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.
>>47349592
Different cunt, but I'd sum up the problems with alignment as:
>Vague as fuck system
>Everyone has different opinions on alignment and like to fight about it.
>Moral gray areas are reduced to black or white
>Doing evil things make you evil. Also doing some non-evil things make you evil because they're things evil people might do
>The paladin falls
Man this errata hurts my soul.
Hey guys, question about a gestalt game I'm in. Was looking to run a fighter/ascetic cleric build to literally drown in bonus feats, is this a viable thing to do or is the sheer number of feats blinding me? I was thinking of pumping Dex/Wis and dumping the rest.
>>47349921
Pretty sure it's because paizo is made of people who only do slapdash fixes. Weeding the core spell list for crazy shit is hard. Making a fighter subclass that trades useless shit for other useless shit is easy. Making fighters and wizards even interact in a balanced scenario is hard. Making a slightly different wizard is easy.
I am willfully applying Hanlon's Razor here, because a lot of the stuff very, very much looks like wizard fetish.
>>47350073
Well, you need on average 19.6 feats to walk and chew gum at the same time. But you're a cleric, so that's a 0 level spell.
>>47348923
This. So much this. 90% of the "CASTERS ARE OVERPOWERED WAHHH! bitching comes from the fact that casters can do literally EVERYTHING if they're built right.If you're not homebrewing some way to keep casters restricted to 1 or 2 schools or focuses, you're doing it wrong.
>>47350074
The worst offender for this is class design. It's like every class is designed in a vacuum away from any other input and balanced against vague memories of games played years ago. Everything has its own damned subsystem that barely interacts with anything, everything is the best at something (usually something fairly useless) and everything is then presented as fair and equal and ready to run.
And then some faggot goes and slices random bits off and grafts them onto other classes.
Anyone got some ideas for random encounters? I'm compiling a list I'll roll on for my upcoming campaign and could use some outside input.
>>47350159
What Paizo did to weapon cords that made everyone mad?
>>47350168
Find a copy of the 3.0 Forgotten Realms DM screen.
It has more detailed encounter tables, and most of it can easily be adapted to Pathfinder.
Pic semi related.
>>47349338
> make sure the fighters get something that lets them pounce
You mean like... a quick runner's shirt?
>>47350153
"Spherecasting" is horridly overpowered though, what the actual fuck are you talking about.
>>47349151
Quit pretending to be retarded. You and I both know perfectly well that wizards will always, ALWAYS be able to afford scrolls for all the spells that they may even consider being remotely useful.
of course, you could argue against magic marts. But all wizards (iirc) have scribe scroll by default, so this is a lot easier than the fighter's ultra custom made magic weapons.
>>47350202
Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can find it.
>>47350215
Are you referring to actual Spheres of Power Spherecasting, or something else?
Because Spheres of Power's only outliers are Conjuration, and Weather.
>>47350189
They used to allow you to rearm yourself when disarmed as a swift action. But this was erattaed to a move action after one of the writers tested it irl by tying some string to an object and wrist and trying to grab it. Since it took his uncoordinated ass a long time to do it he decided it was impossible for our fantasy characters to do it quickly too.
>>47350233
I guess we're back to pretending armorists don't exist then.
>>47349790
There can be no peace between magicians and the magicless.
>>47350168
Owlbear, covered in honey, pursued by a shitton of slightly-fiercer-than-it-expected bees. If the party gets any honey on them (they probably will) the bees start coming after them, too.
Clandestine meeting between bandit clans, each side in full battle gear as the leaders discuss something near the middle.
Ten or so shambling undead chained to a casket they're dragging along.
A crazy guy who's stronger than he looks and claims to be a werewolf. He's just crazy, but that won't stop him from trying to eat your liver.
An extremely lost foreign spellcaster. His teleport shenanigans went awry, and he doesn't have comprehend languages on him.
A very recently deceased peddler, with a bag full of mysterious and ancient wares.
Goblins in masks after they completely misunderstood a local festival.
>>47350261
So, I should use martial splats without errata, because Paizo prefers to remove fun instead of fixing problems?
>>47350298
That's the jist of it. Unless you believe that your martial pcs should be limited to the physical capabilities of an out of shape writer in an office.
Are there any 3pp with lots of good equipment? I want to completely move my group away from Paizo content to quality 3pp by slowly banning Paizo stuff while enabling more and more 3pp. So far I started doing it with classes, but I don't know what to do with equipment.
>>47350278
Saved.
>>47350261
Stop spreading this rumor, goddamn. They nerfed it because of balance concerns (legit or not) and the mouse cord post was a joke once it had already been decided.
Misrepresenting your opponent to mock them just makes you look like the idiot.
>>47350270
The topic was things being overpowered, so the only outliers upwards.
Armorists are... a little sad. Good for Gestalt though.
>>47350326
>Paizo was only pretending to be retarded!
Okay, so initiators click into system quite nicely - they can coexist with core without changing it and just make base fighter booty bothered by being fun as fuck. But what about psionics? Slapping them on top of core caster makes big and clunky sysyem bigger and clunkier. Removing vancian caster cuts way too much additional stuff - like monster abilities, magical items and their creation. Wat do?
>>47350339
No, there have been plenty of times someone at paizo was retarded.
This wasn't one of them, and if you try to pass it off as one to a paizo supporter, that's a real fast track to having them think you're the idiotic one in the conversation.
>>47350329
Armorists break the gold economy WAY earlier than any other class or sphere.
>>47349891
>Majesty
You and I are allies now.
>>47350073
You're a cleric//full BAB gestalt, so you're automatically viable. It's just not really optimal for the same reason why fighters are t5: because actual class features are better than feats 90% of the time.
>It's a $Ars_Magica_Clone Thread
Sometimes I suspect half the reason theses threads exist is for 3rd parties to shill their shit
>>47350339
http://www.tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?p=409537&sid=af493902146476e43c17957487ee17e2#409537
Whether or not you think he was pretending to be retarded or not, the fact of the matter is that he's now on record to agreeing that it shouldn't be taken seriously.
Your mouse pad argument won't convince anyone except the people who will happily lap up new reasons to hate paizo as easily as the paizofags will lap up reasons to defend them.
There is a benefit to all of this bullshit-those of us stuck in groups that insist on PFS legal games now have an excellent opportunity to convince the GM and other players just how not worth it that is.
>>47350375
People will say 'refluff all of psionics' but that's such a huge and clunky change that I don't like it.
One of the upcoming DSP books has a small bit about the difference between arcane/divine/psychic magic and psionics:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YcE6T2piHuQYSVcF3BUPkF0eWwvtAS_heH8ZcOQHUHI/edit#
Personally what I sometimes do is a soft refluff: "Psionics essentially uses the same energies as magic, but a completely different method. Like an alternate programming language."
Maybe even call it weird magic from the foreign eastern empire.
What is the best god for being a bro and punching shit?
>>47351150
Cayden Cailean
>>47350913
One more thing to keep in mind is that, kidding or not, Paizo have earned themselves a reputation where his statement is so easily believed. If they were seen differently it might have gone better, but as it is, Paizo are rather known for that sort of attitude.
>>47351150
I'd say Kurgess. His faith is all about being a bro and getting swole.
>>47351194
A lot of paizohate is deserved (especially the latest errata) but it gets real angry mob mentality in pfg sometimes.
More than anything I just get annoyed at people bringing the mouse cord thing up as fact.
>>47348796
>"Take a look at how ABP solves the issue. It is a very informative experience"
ABP IS FUCKING SHIT. HOW DOES THAT SOLVE FUCK?
>>47351150
Gorum. You can even be bros with the LE follower of Asmodeus, since the two gods are in good terms with each other. (Asmodeus makes cool shit, Gorum has fun with it)
FUCK
F U C K
U
C
K
THE ERRATA ALREADY HIT THE PFSRD
>>47350326
The cord thing BECAME just a joke after the outpouring of insults.
Literally a case of "I was just pretending to be retarded!"
>>47350573
And despite that, they're still total shit.
>>47351139
>I cast Energy Ball
>I cast Twinned Crystal Shard
Holy fuck, that's so huge and clunky. Fuck.
I had to change like
One WHOLE word.
>>47351457
What worries me more is that you're apparently so blind to paizo's actual fuckups we can call them out on that you keep seeing the need to push the story of a less credible but more more immediately triggering one as if it's the only good example you have.
Whether or not JB was really joking, the fact it's in dispute means nobody will fucking take that example seriously unless they're already convinced.
>>47351348
Gorum is a diet Khorne. Not exactly a bro.
>>47351164
>>47351205
These guys get it.
>>47349965
I don't recall the bame, but there's a system or something that starts with an A that deals with kingdom building.
Basically keep pathfinder core but import the entirety of the other systems kingdom building
>>47351482
That's the soft refluff I was talking about, yes.
The actual example in Ultimate Psionics was that it gets refluffed into 'Rune Magic' that has nothing to do with the mind and psicrystals become runecarved golems and Ectoplasmic Sheen becomes Ocean Rune Goo, and similar.
On paper it's just a find/replace but in terms of worldbuilding it's an entire project in itself.
This is the type of global overhaul that feels clunky because of the extent some psionic classes, especially newer ones, are designed to fit the fluff.
Even the runic magic page itself says that if you start to want to include psionic monsters you're going to have to do some pretty heavy refluffing.
>>47351505
Uh.
Not the same anon?
Fuck, man, there's tons of people that took the 'cord' thing as anything but a joke. Not because "lol incompetence" but because they'd long known the intense distaste and regret these guys had about guns, and their attempt to find anything, any reason at all to nerf their usefulness back out.
It wasn't a joke. He just didn't expect not to get away with it as their reason.
>>47351570
No, IT'S NOT!
It's not an entire project in itself, fuck you barely even have to change the names!
The WIZARD uses his ancient magicks to cast Pierce the Veils, revealing the macguffin.
The CLERIC claims to call upon the power of his gawd, and casts True Metabolism.
A ring of Wish uses Bend Reality or Reality Revision.
Don't bother refluffing everything. Just that instead of spells per day, those NPCs have power points, and items? Items can be almost ENTIRELY unchanged, since there's virtually ALWAYS an equivalent power for the job.
At absolute MOST some item CLs might technically change for matters of crafting. That's it!
>>47351512
>Implying Khorne isn't Gorum who has forgotten he's supposed to be C(Unaligned) and not CE
>>47351424
Time to switch over to the PRD for UE content. It usually takes Paizo a couple of months to actually update their own reference document with their own errata.
>>47351615
Also looks like Archives hasn't been touched yet. Please, God, don't let the errata infect anything else.
Man, the Mythic game ended on a hell of a cliffhanger and I wanted to blab about it, but FUCK this errata shit has me mad.
>>47351571
Okay, I'll back out.
Just, like, from a third person perspective, the amount of mindless grudge a person must have to say "no they're not allowed to change their minds or back out, I'm taking what they first said and holding them to it because I am absolutely convinced it was an intentional attack on us born out of their hatred for people like us no matter what they claim" is just... staggering.
It's like 'a paizo dev laughed at a joke about wizards and you feel it was a direct play to anger you because he knew you were listening in and would take offense' level.
Whether you're right or not, that's how you're sounding unless you have better backing than 'fuck it, he hates us, I just KNOW, okay?'
What are the best forms for the Undead Anatomy II spell? Is there anything decent that gets pounce?
>>47351337
It's only getting better. We've got another famous paidrone showing up to slurp their cocks and mindlessly defend them, and he, too, says ABP is the magic bullet that solved all the problems.
>>47351689
>Man, the Mythic game ended on a hell of a cliffhanger and I wanted to blab about it, but FUCK this errata shit has me mad.
Blab away, I'm sure we could all use a good story time to take our minds off of how honked off we are about the errata.
>>47351609
Anon.
Fuck.
That's just saying psionics is a different type or branch of magic but largely unchanged, and psions are just a fancy name for middle-eastern wizards, and etc.
That's what I was saying is a SOFT REFLUFF.
I was saying that's what I do.
My main point with what I said about clunky refluffing was that if you tried it on the scale of Rune Magic like what Ultimate Psionics suggested, it wouldn't be a straightforward job to seamlessly convert everything psionic into something with entirely different fluff, and you DON'T NEED to do something that complicated.
We are literally agreeing and you're somehow acting like I'm talking alien.
Does anyone remember when Paizo actually had a sense of humor?
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#33
>>47351943
When they ran dragon magazine?
>>47351850
Alright. Lemme see if I can do it justice.
Upon reaching the entrance of the lightning rail station in Zolanberg, we've encountered the Wtch responsible for raising and controlling the masses of undead and the alchemist responsible for putting fucking bombs in them. We were able to dispatch them, but not without complication: see, the witch was blasted out of the sky and broke her neck from the fall, but the alchemist was KO'd. Elsbeth told the party if they were going to do anything to the possible survivor(s), they should first remove any gear or papers they may be carrying before slashing them in fear that they might explode, reasoning that a guy who'd been obsessive in planting bombs in everything would surely plant a bomb in himself. And what does our brilliant Rogue do? Stabs the alchemist first, and lo and behold he erupted in a jet black flame before his body and everything on it collapsed in on itself. It was at that moment the party realized these two were former Karrnathi nobles who'd fallen from grace after being dishonorably discharged at the end of the Last War.
After checking that we were still alive and the dead things outside weren't moving around anymore, the party managed to creep its way into the station. It was unnervingly quiet as our Gunslinger and Warder tracked a line of blood along the floor to a set of Dolgrims awaiting 'company'. They must've waited some while because they sure seemed happy to see us! So happy in fact they ran right up and swung an ax at our Warpriest! How kind of them. It was a quick sweep before we managed to find a way into the major waiting hall of the station, of which dozens of Dolgrims had been lying in wait for an ambush!
>Been so pissed I haven't been able to draw anything about the session
>Here's a taste of the turn order
>And that was just the beginning
(cont.)
I am legitimately about to just throw in the towel. I only recently even looked into Pathfinder, only recently started /playing/ this game, and I'm already fed up with paizo's shit. This system has so many really cool ideas and frameworks that just get utterly trashed every time Paizo's notices people are having fun not playing a wizard.
It's like Pathfinder is the TTRPG scene's league of legends, people are so attached to it but paizo's (/riot) keep fucking things up and favoring certain things while constantly gutting everything else.
>>47352139
Plenty of other games out there anon.
When we say try something else, here, on /pfg/, we're not those assholes going "well if you don't like it".
We're just trapped in everyone-else-only-plays-this as well as our own autism, and wish not for others to suffer the same fate.
Been having a blast with Unchained Heroes and Fragged Empire, for example.
>>47348923
Agreed. I feel that spellcasters should be in the mold of Healer/ Warmage/ Dread Necromancer/ Beguiler.
>>47352069
It hadn't been long until we had been completely surrounded by ravaging Dolgrim Titan Maulers, then we had a surprise visit from two familiar creatures: Warped Ones! Who'd also taken at least 3-4 levels into Titan Mauler! Elsbeth had been able to Dismiss one of them, but their Flesh Warping had already done its major damage: Arthas, our Warpriest, had become emaciated and slipped out of his armor and left him exposed, and our Warder, Victor, had been struck with cataracts, leaving him at the mercy of the foes that'd quickly swarmed him.
Things seemed to have been growing rather bleak until suddenly, Grib heard something 'chugging' from underground. Was it the ringleader ready to pay us a visit and finish us off? With an explosion of fire, smoke, and stone, a ghostly engine burst from the ground, piloted by a curious yet familiar woman, an unknown Warforged.. And greeting us was Helen?? And with her she brought Edge, a Warforged Steelhound Investigator whom the party rescued before becoming Mythic, and Rocky! Grib's former war hound that had been Awakened during their adventures inXen'drik.
The cavalry has arrived! But who are these other two? What kind of shenanigans has our Fey Trickster been up to in order to orchestrate this?
>Again, haven't been able to crank out the scene
>so here's another shitty screen grab
>>47352069
>>47352187
>My group is the 3 Stooges
>>47348981
They'll just start bawling and fuck off to their "safe places" and complain that 4chan is "problematic" and "triggering" them. Nothing we are capable of doing will change them, even not buying their stuff (if Paizo goes out of business they'll all just get jobs at other game design companies because getting a job in gming is 110% knowing the right people and -10% actual game design talent (as in actual game design talent will exclude you because the current culture amongst designers is that saying that you're doing it wrong makes the person a meanie meanpants and they do whatever wrong thing they're doing even harder out of spite)
>>47352237
What other companies? they would need to find a whole other industry to ruin.
>>47348877
anyone..?
No Quick Runner's Shirt.
No Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier.
No Feather Step Slippers.
No Sleeves of Many Garments.
No Bracers of Falcon's Aim
Tier 1 casters only.
Final destination.
Is this the fate we chose?
>>47352158
There aren't other games, Anon.
That's part of the fucking problem. PF is it. It's PF, 3.5, older D&D, 5e, and Fantasy "A literally dead game worse than Pathfinder" Craft. Those are IT. That is the entire list.
>>47350375
>Removing vancian caster cuts way too much additional stuff - like monster abilities, magical items and their creation. Wat do?
Psionics is the only form of "magic" available to the PCs. Wizards, Clerics, and their ilk are distrusted and hated for essentially ruining the world over arcane experiments and holy wars that warped the landscape and wild life. Leaving behind mutated magical beasts, unsealed portals to other planes, and magical armaments.
Wizard towers, Clerical fortresses, and cults of Druids still exist in the hidden places of the world waiting for their chance to rise again. The desperate, the crazy, and the vengeful seek this places out in search of fabulous wealth, mystic tonics, or the head of a powerful spell caster. The governments of the world will pay a high bounty for dragging a high level Wizard or Cleric to their capital for execution or "rehabilitation" under the eyes of the court Telepath.
>>47352545
>No Sleeves of Many Garments.
Truly so OP is needed a nerf!
>>47349827
>living in an RTS game.
OUR PROBES ARE UNDER ATTACK
OUR PYLON IS UNDER ATTACK
WE CANNOT HOLD
"guys can you keep it down, I'm trying to sleep"
> http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?488709-Ultimate-Equipment-Errata&p=20800600&viewfull=1#post20800600
> 1) You forgot Disguise, Heal, and Sleight of Hand - but Disable is enough on its own, it's the main reason to bring a skillmonkey along in the first place. And yes, taking 20 is often used for Disable.
Is this how paidrones think? What the fuck kind of eldritch insanity is this?
>>47348509
>>47348509
Does anyone have the pre-errata version of the items? I know some of them, but not all
>>47352728
>Taking 20 for disable
You can take it if you're at home playing with a lock.
YOU CANNOT if time is of the essence (like if the noise of lockpicking - and yes it can be noisy - would attract monsters) or if there's a penalty for failing, so forget it with traps.
HOW, and WHO ever allows taking 20 on fucking disable device when it MATTERS?
>>47352877
2-min playing with lock mean nothing when Invisibility and Silence last 3min minimum.
>>47352979
You're still not allowed if anything bad will happen due to failure.
>>47352860
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateEquipment/wondrousItems/index.html
>>47353040
What this Anon says. Taking 20 is ruled as if you tried 20 times and rolled every number once. If a 1 or getting 5 less than the target would do something bad you can't take 20 normally (I am sure there are feats and class abilities and whatnot that change that).
Anybody want a distraction from the bullshit that is paizo and this errata? I'm trying to build a non-fullcaster around shapeshifting, thus far all I've been able to come up with is using the shifter from spheres of power but I'm not totally sure how to go about optimizing it.
>change mentions of gauntlets to bracers
For what purpose?
>>47352570
There are RPGs that aren't D20 Fantasy.
Go play Shadowrun or World of Darkness or Eclipse Phase.I know some people don't like those, but don't get bogged down by swords and magic fantasy
>>47353329
There's also mutants and masterminds.
>>47352728
What did bracers of steadiness do originally?
>>47353040
>>47352877
What's stopping you taking 2 minutes again? I'm pretty sure there are no penalties for failing lock picking, and another guy already covered how to get around sound.
>>47349935
>Best town in the game is run by the banks
TOO BIG TO FAIL
>>47353329
Anon, there are other genres, but some of us like sword and sorcery. And for S&S style systems, there are almost none, because D&D basically has a near monopoly on it.
>>47353498
>I'm pretty sure there are no penalties for failing lock picking, and another guy already covered how to get around sound.
Trapped locks, which most of them are.
>>47353498
>What's stopping you
I would have said the lock breaking, but by RAW that I just looked up, nothing. Yet another accidental nerf that gives you no reason to take disable device ever.
>>47353353
M&M requires massive amounts of around-the-table cooperation for people to not fuck up the tone, ideals, or setup.
>>47352570
I'll give you literally dead (Spellbound is never coming back) but worse than Pathfinder is fighting words m8
>>47353675
Then fight me. It's a poorly made imitation that tries to shoehorn even more ridiculous shit than Pathfinder does.
>>47349012
Well, you also need a Tome of Clear Thought +5/the material component for Wish five times over.
>>47353569
WFRPG, Runequest, Dungeon World, Burning Wheel, GURPS with Dungeon Fantasy, Mutants and Masterminds with Warriors and Warlocks, Chivalry and Sorcery, Age of Heroes, Ars Magica... And that's not even going into the numerous systems inspired by popular fantasy books or series(Conan has at least one dedicated system for example). Swords and sorcery may be dominated by D&D and its offshoots, but they're far from the only system available.
>>47353799
>Dungeon World
>Burning Wheel
>Ars Magica
I'd rather switch to 5e.
>>47353799
M&M has no players and is poorly balanced, Dungeon World isn't all that well made, >GURPS, Chivalry I've never even heard of and the same for Age of Heroes which means that almost nobody else has and thus no players, Ars Magica I've heard nothing but bad things about. Burning Wheel seems iffy, and Runequest seems interesting but sorta odd and people don't seem fond of it.
So, you were saying something about actually known, popular options, with a playerbase large enough to make finding a game possible, and that didn't have shit rules?
Because PF is shit, but we know it's shit, why it's shit, and can sorta try and FIX it being shit. The other systems are too small/unpopular to bother.
How viable is it to run Mines of Madness in a campaign?
I don't nessecary want players to die but they double crossed a big evil npc and now is forcing them on a sucide mission.
I'm in two minds, I don't want my players to lose attached PCs but then again I want to see them struggle a lot.
>>47353844
>fix Pathfinder
You'd have better luck getting people braindamaged by 3.x to try other systems.
>>47353844
I've never even heard of...which means that almost nobody else has and thus no players
I mean, you're probably not wrong, but you got quite the ego.
>Because PF is shit, but we know it's shit, why it's shit, and can sorta try and FIX it being shit
I really believe this is true. That's 90% of what we do here is working on the optimal homebrew and community-endorsed 3pp, which is why we are so centered around DSP.
It's easier to fix something that is a little broken but still with a lot of life than force life into something moderately acceptable.
>>47353844
>Runequest seems interesting but sorta odd and people don't seem fond of it.
Runequest serves a important purpose of teaching your table that their attempts to fix D&D with realistic mechanics are retarded and never works.
>>47353870
Given that I've been doing this for 10 years and have been asking people for alternatives for a loooong time, and looking on my own. At this point, if I haven't heard of it, that alone makes me wary, because if it's super unheard of it's typically for a a reason.
>>47349534
>>47349578
What is kingmaker's premise? Do you take over an area with people living there already? Is it an area with no one living there and you make it enticing to move there? If it's a wilderness with some people living there, what gives you the right to be king besides fascist/LE might makes right?
>>47353908
No, the reason you haven't heard of most games is because:
>Huh? What? Is that a new AP? Oh, some other game, whatever man. Did you hear about the inner sea?
>>47349822
That was 3.5, specifically using material from the Book of Vile Darkness.
>>47349183
>That fucking failed then but we NEED it.
Is that still a thing that's needed?
>>47354058
>Actually playing APs
No, Anon. Just no. Golarion is a shithouse setting.
>>47354132
I'll have you know that Geb, Land of the Linnorm Kings,Rahadoum,Alkenstar, Druma, and Kyonin and pretty great.
Some boobs for cheer your day after the errata catastrophe.
>>47354209
Is this the new koala pic?
>>47354209
No.
Alright /pfg/, I've got an idea but I'm not quite sure how to implement it within the rules. I can draw from any 1pp or 3pp supplement as I wish.
Basically I want to create a magical gunslinger that inscribes runes on their bullets to enact effects. Kind of like the cartridge system from Nanoha, but purely with firearms. Is there any way to do something like that? My first thought was a words of power spellslinger, but that's too much magic and less martial than what I'd like.
>>47354249
I hope not.
>>47354249
Gosh I sure hope not.
>>47354268
Hey Gareth
>>47350103
>>47350725
I guess I was asking if there were any feats/feat lines that could be recommended to me. My point-buy before racials is 10 17 14 8 17 7. So I was considering going TWF/Finesse or something along those lines. I'm pretty new to PF, mostly a 3.5 guy so I'm a bit lost.
>>47354267
elemental flux maneuvers.
toss in some silver crane for exorcisms and heals as well
Maybe some Riven Hourglass support if you'd rather Haley Prime than Kara.
>>47354266
What's the story for this one?
>>47354325
We saw your boobs
>>47354267
Gonna have to agree with >>47354343 here.
If possible, pick up the Gunsmoke Mystic archetype - it's probably the best designed gun using class in the entire game. Keep in mind, while you get access to anima bullets, nothing stops you from loading normal bullets in.
>>47349985
>image
Is that the grandpa from the Rugrats?
>>47354209
>>47354264
And this is how the Elsbeth/Shuguru civil war started in /pfg/
>>47354537
It's not a way if everyone's on one side.
>>47348509
Why would you allow Path of War. That shit does almost nothing to actually fix martial caster disparity.
>>47354563
I rather prefer see Elsbeth and Shuguru eating each others' carpet.
>>47354524
Is a five level dip in gunslinger/musket master worth it for a gunsmoke mystic?
>>47354566
Why must you say such things anon. What happened to our love?It's a slow day at work today. Can you tell?
