Don't trust this person, he is a Necron >>47324185 edition.
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
So, if we don't use the Death from the Skies overbloated rules for DogFight, are the changes in the datasheet still valid?
The 10pt cheaper Valkyrie, the 11 armor StormTalon etc.
>>47324191
They just don't make commercials like they used to..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwn1NTK-50 [Embed]
>Wharhammah! Wahrhammah!
>WarHAAAAMAAAAAAAAH!!
you'll get caught up in it!
>>47324211
Maybe?
>>47324211
>I don't want to use a new rulebook
>but I still want to use some parts of it for the benefits that benefit me
All or nothing faggot. If you're not "using" something why do you think you'll get the benefit of "using" it?
>>47324191
Hey shitster why are you linking to some MTG shit in the OP's edition.
>Somehow still forcing the chicken meme even though we've had 6 threads with the correct OP
Any tips on how to work with greenstuff for a starter on that stuff?
I'm trying to make a sexy toned chest for a morghast harbringer that I'll run as a C'tan.
>>47324231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coE_f50F68c
>2015
>>47324211
I am with >>47324280 you either use its rules or not and the datasheets are part of that.
Did you make a new thread just to ask your shitty question and force your shitty meme?
>>47324211
You better believe it. I mean, it mostly impacts fliers in reserve and gives universal flier formations, and some cool universal rules like break turning. Now that I've read up on it, it doesn't seem so bad to implement.
Heldrakes don't seem that bad either. Being able to outmaneuver in reserve and then come on and vector strike and shoot again gives them at least SOME universal utility.
>>47324283
It was a reference to >>47319972 but I guess since you only enter threads to bitch about the OP image, you wouldn't have known.
>>47324286
Get Vaseline. Always lube up your tools and fingers before each contact with the greenstuff. Get a set of sculpting tools. Watch tutorials. Practice,
>>47324211
Personally, I think that some weapons should have Skyfire. Like those mounted on top of the turrets of bombers. It doesn't make sense for these turrets to be used offensively against ground targets and should be more useful vs flyers.
>>47324280
It doesn't benefit me at all. My faction has no changes in the supplement.
>>47324305
I didn't make this thread
>Sisters get FAQ and an errata
>I probably failed one of my finals today
My grades must have been a tribute.
>>47324365
Nigger what are you doing, go study. Get off 4chan and fucking learn. Save the play for when you are done.
>>47324211
Everything Death from the Skies is official. Fortunately, it does say that the dogfight phase is optional and only used if both players agree.
>>47324211
No, unless you want to be as big a fag as your pic related.
...*Do* you want that?
>>47324313
No its that you linked to some random Magic Fag and not the actual joke.
>>47324391
Today was my last day of exams, anon.
I did perfectly fine on one, but the second I choked and forgot a bunch of shit.
Learning a language is hard.
>>47324365
The better you do in school now the more 40k you can buy later.
>>47324394
Doesn't it say that you can force the other player to dogfighting if you throw the dice higher than him? Even than, you can run away from the fight if you wind the first round.
>>47324394
It still makes no sense to me that a supplement is obligatory.
>>47324428
Well it states if one player wants to use the rule and the other doesnt a roll off solves the problem.... to Games Workshop.
At my shop if you want to use it and your opponent doesn't then you either don't or don't play.
>>47324409
>>47324283
>>47324305
Literally get back to >>>/trash/ you faggot. Coming in here ass hot and ready to shit all over the thread.
>>47324428
It does say that. Dogfight phase occurs if both players agree, or one rolls higher than the other. Then you get to determine who the attacker is.
Even if there's no dogfight, the rest of the rules are there.
Honestly, I'd rather the dogfight phase was replaced by a Fleet phase.
I saw a link lead up and summary of the Eye of Terror summer campaign a while back. Does anyone have any similar info about the other 40k summer campaigns?
How would you feel about house ruling Chaos Daemons units with different daemonic alignments? Like changing Nurglings to be Daemons of Slaanesh and fluffing/modeling them accordingly?
What do you pirates use to create PDFs?
>>47324407
I really wish those changes weren't legal as a matter of fact.
I hate the 11 armor StormTalon.
>>47324510
Adobe.
>>47324510
Create? Google Docs
>>47324501
Totally fine for me, but I need to be sure it's for fun and fluff, not to be stronger.
A good rule of thumb is that everything you house ruled should be weaker than other alternatives.
That way no one should have anything to say about it.
Why don't Necron Fliers get the cool shielding to count as AV 13 till after the first hull point lost?
Night Scythes seem like an overly expensive fast rhino that forces important units into reserves.
In a normal game should there be enough space to land a single monolith?
Do you have to use the same type of aircraft for making a Flyer Wing? How many aircraft do you need for a flyer wing? Does the Squad leader table applies for single aircraft?
>>47324618
Maybe read the actual supplement before asking 20 questions. It has been posted enough that if anyone wants it they should have it.
>>47324618
Why can't we have good bombers?
>>47324618
>>47324643
http://www.mediafire.com/download/1w7bwdw8l093jl7/Derps_from_the_Skiez.pdf
I like how the Militarum Tempestus "frequently asked question" was one question that was most certainly only ever asked once.
>>47324754
Haven't seen them yet but if it is anything other than "Why did you give scions their own codex but not more diverse units?" then I will be disappoint.
>>47324754
That just means it was easier to answer all of the questions. What FAQs do you think need be asked about it?
Keeping in mind, of course, that balance isn't up for discussion, only clarity.
My chapter was created during the thirteenth Cursed Founding. Their geneseed contains a flaw which causes them to become fully delitized.
>>47324794
>>47324812
This is the text, word for word from the FB page:
>Q: Can I use Commissar Yarrick from Codex: Astra Militarum as my Lord Commissar in a Codex: Militarum Tempestus army? I want to add Tempestus Scions as Yarrick’s personal guard force, his security team if you will.
>A: Commissar Yarrick isn’t part of the the Militarum Tempestus Faction, so he can’t be part of a Militarum Tempestus Detachment in a Battle-forged army. Codex: Astra Militarum includes all the necessary rules for using your Tempestus Scions in an army with Yarrick.
Like what the fuck?
>>47324794
Your expectations on what would have been answered were fucking moronic to begin with, then. It's being made to clear up rules misunderstandings, it's not a panel on development.
>>47324831
>delitized
I dont get it, so they are happy marines?
>>47324841
What is the issue, then? Were you expecting further errata?
>>47324844
Nah bro I understand that, I need the entire codex's existence cleared up for me. I just don't understand it.
Why are there so many pissy people in this general?
How does my Sisters of Battle army look? Right now I think my biggest weaknesses are big flyers like Stormravens, and backfield heavy hitters like Hammerheads, Deredeos, and artillery.
Sisters of Battle 1500 pts 2xCAD
Canoness w/Rosarius, Warlord
Canoness
5x Battle Sister Squads
Sister Superior
Battle Sister w/ Heavy Flamer
3x Battle Sister
Immolator w/ TL Multi-Melta
3x Exorcist
Avenger Strike Fighter
Skyshield Landing Pad
Void Shield Generator w/ 3x Void Shields
>>47324862
Maybe! I definitely wasn't expecting some random bullshit question that would be answered if the guy looked in the codex once.
Hey gaiz?
Who the fuck are the two unnamed primarchs? Isn't it about time for that reveal?
How do we make Ravenwing be on par with their counterparts within the 1st Company?
>>47324884
I imagine if you explain why you are ere, you'll be able to apply that answer to the other pissy people.
>>47324894
What questions did you ask to have FAQd re: Tempestus?
>start building DE army 6 months ago
>get them to a tournament-usable size
>faq comes out and guts them further than they already were
fuck this shit
>>47324595
That's fair. I figured some point costs or stats would need to be fiddled with. Wouldn't just slap Daemon of Nurgle on Blood letters and call it a day.
Mostly I was interested in doing it to give more mono-god unit variety.
>>47324909
>implying the Ap2 spam Ravenwing can achieve is subpar to shitty Terminators
There is a reason I only bring terminators when I feel bad for my opponent.
>>47324901
Not until they can't make anymore money on the current ones.
>>47324901
No, because they're either there as a reference to missing roman legions, or so people can fill in their own fluff.
All we really know is one was killed for mutations, and even that's vague
>>47324860
To some it could be considered a curse... To them it is a blessing
Are vanilla Space Marines even competitive anymore?
>>47325053
>>47325053
One of the best armies in the game if you use some of their formations.
>>47325053
Take a gladius and cash in dem free transports
>>47325053
Only if you have been paying attention since this edition started. Not to mention the but loads of more support they have via supplements and battle-brothers.
>>47324920
huh? that really exists?
>>47324889
Get 2-3 squads of Melta Dominions and put em in Flamer Immolators. That way you can Scout up to Tough MCs, or outflank if there are holes in their deployment.
>>47325053
>>47324909
Anons who have been hurled across time and space to post from the early 2000s.
>>47325118
There was a period last month, I think, where you were able to submit rules questions for the FAQ.
Apparently this is the only question someone had regarding the Scions codex. As such, I suppose that means it was written clearly, or that no one gave enough of a shit to ask about it.
>>47325139
Where should I pull the points from? The Exorcists seem likely but I feel like they need at least three to be reliable. I'd rather not get rid of scoring units to take a suicide squad.
>>47325212
I know, I meant the codex really exists, because it is rather pointless.
>>47325258
That is what I was saying, they have shit choices too. Of all the supplement armies that could use a codex why the hell did they choose Scions.
hello guys i am a tau player
the other day i was playing against some guy and when i shot at him he told me he was going to take his "cover save". i searched the rulebook and dex and didn't find anything about such a save, is this actually true or did he try to deceive me?
>>47325053
well then what do you put your points into if you play vanilla SM?
I mean, if terminators suck, and marines suck, thats like half their fucking codex...
>>47325342
Was he in cover? Pls have a Lil common sense if you're going to play 40k
>>47325053 (You)
>>47325342
here's your complementary (you)
Hey fuckboys i'm making two banners for an old Venerable Land Raider Crusader that is fighting in the Thirteenth Negroid Crusade and i need two old campaign badges to put on the banners.
What are some that would make chronological sense? The Land Raider is quite old, mind, so one that's relatively recent and one that's very old would be really nice.
>>47325342
Nice try, but Stealthsuits exist
>>47325358
G R A V I T O N
>>47325382
>>47325401
oh come, my post was much more subtle than his-
I mean, I actually had a serious question!
Seriously though, you guys aren't posting lists and I'm trying to get the skinny on whats good since i've been out of it forever.
>>47325425
a (you) for your troubles
>>47325425
Leldar crons and tau are head and shoulder over everyone else
Marines are really good
Rest ranges from usable like Astra or pure trash like Orks
>>47325457
switch crons and marines. Crons are good, but not tournament winners.
>>47325239
Keep the Exorcists, but drop a single BSS and the void shields.
Objective secured won't count for anything if it's a small unit in an AV11 transport that can be wiped out in a single turn of shooting.
>>47325342
was he a necron?
>>47325342
is the joke supposed to be that basically everything in the Tau army has ignores cover? sorry kind of new
>>47325457
okay now your the one who is fucking trolling. I'm not asking for your favorite codecs, i'm asking for details, like whats popular right now, what are people running?
>>47325457
Crons are not over marines. Especially in competitive. Sure they are durable but they aren't very killy and suck at the mission for being so slow.
>>47325532
suitspam tau, eldar (in general), and spess mahrines, possibly necrons and daemons as well
anyone you see playing an army that is not one of these, they are a patrician and should be treated with utmost respect
>>47325532
do some fucking research you baby
we arent going to spoonfeed you everything
unironically, lurk moar
>>47325532
For Astartes people use Super Friends or A Gladius Strike Force which gives free transports and/or drop pod spam.
>>47325562
I think he's trying to do research by asking questions.
I'd give up scatbikes and make wk 500 pts in exchange for 6th Ed Wave Serps ;~;
>>47325606
I will allow it.
>>47325410
I found some that date back like 3000 years, it works
>>47325558
>ask for troop and unit details
>get another "these codecs are good right now"
>approximately 10 seconds after the last one
oh fuck off
You guys seriously aren't posting lists, which makes me think you are either
A) a bunch of babies who only copy top 50 lists
B) a bunch of scrubs who haven't even played the game
C) a bunch of snots who don't post lists cause they somehow think it will give them an advantage
I just want to know what I'm up against, and since most people can't afford top tier lists, i want to get a feel for /tg's competitive meta, but i guess you fags are just too cool.
>>47325759
Here's my dumb Gladius that works enough at my LGS.
>play necrons
>friend is planing a campaign for our warhammer group to play
>says he's banning decurion because it's cheating
>cheating
>mfw
On a scale of 1 to special snowflake, rate my melta and assault-obsessed rhino-rush loyalist Ash Reavers, bred from Imperial Fist and World Eater geneseed
>anything with Str: D is only usable in Apoc games
How much changes?
>>47324211
Im guessing you play Tau, Eldar, or Space Marines. You're a gigantic faggot btw.
>>47325759
Not posting lists? Here's my Zero-formations, Single-CAD Tournament Army that tabled every player I went against in a tournament just a few weeks ago. The longest victory was against a Mechanicus Congregation that was tabled on turn 3.
HQ: Lias Issodon
Troops:
5-man Tactical Squad
- Plasma Gun
- Rhino
5-man Tactical Squad
- Plasma Gun
- Rhino
5-man Tactical Squad
- Plasma Gun
- Rhino
5-man Tactical Squad
- Plasma Gun
- Rhino
5-man Tactical Squad
- Plasma Gun
- Rhino
5-man Tactical Squad
- Plasma Gun
- Rhino
Heavy Support:
10-man Devastator Squad
- 4 Grav-Cannons
- Rhino
10-man Devastator Squad
- 4 Grav-Cannons
- Rhino
10-man Devastator Squad
- 4 Grav-Cannons
- Rhino
Before Deployment, Lias Issodon grants Infiltrate to all three devastator squads. All three Devastator squads then split into combat squads with 2 grav-cannons each.
All 6 combat squads infiltrate seperately from their Rhino, who infiltrates tactically to serve as a Counter-deploying Wall. The combat squads are in Grav-cannon range on turn 1.
>>47325568
agghhh, ffs what the hell is "super friends"? stop using your modern hip hop slang and speak engrish!
>>47325759
/tg/ doesn't play together so there is no meta. People are telling you what plays well.
No one wants to type out a list that isn't their own.
You can look up recent tournaments on google yourself.
People even supplied you with list names that will give you a hint.
I don't know where you think you are that your shitposting is going to create some in-depth conversation.
>>47324812
>balance isn't up for discussion.
>faq blatantly fucks with balance by "clarifying" questions that already have answers
Yea yea fo sho, fo sho
>>47325765
thank you, kind sir.
you are an officer and a gentleman.
>>47324501
Nuglings lose shrouded and gain the Slaanesh rule? Eh. Thats a homebrew codex then.
>>47325759
Because meta is based on playergroups and if you aren't adapting to your enemies, then you aren't playing hard enough.
>>47325820
thank you.
I appreciate your post.
>>47325828
Such as?
>>47325820
thats a lot of fucking rhinos.
>>47325890
>Not taking a fuckton of Rhinos or Razorbacks
I run a list like
>>47325765
and I basically turn the vehicles into a giant wall of death.
>>47325822
Superfriends from my use of it is my Ravenwing Deathstar of an Int Chap and Techmarine on bikes with a command squad and a Darkshroud + 3 Grav Bikers while tag-teaming with a Space Wolves TWC Star with a wulf lord and priest WHILE ALSO bringing a White Scars Librarius Conclave. There are additional Ravenwing formations I bring depending at the points.
Battle-Bros-4-Eva
>>47325765
Thats a lot of razorbacks
>>47325917
that sounds infuriatingly complicated.
>>47325765
> Lasplas Las Plas Combi-Plas
You are doing the god emperor's work anon. Keep it up.
>>47325317
because they wanted people to be able too run Stormtrooper armies.
it's as pointless as any subfactions supplement.
>>47325791
My Khorne daemons have a random chance to gain a strength D attack, what happens if they do?
Its time for a ROLL CALL!
Everyone post every singe model you own
>>47325979
lol, cheryl as psyker.
i always kinda suspected she wasn't "all there"
>>47325759
Can't take Drop pods with my sisters any more because of the latest faq, BUT Immolators have a new firing point and Exorcists can cheese LoS for their launchers.
Immolator spam is back!
>>47325941
>Deploy with everything in Razorbacks
>Wall off your area with Razorbacks
>Deploy everything in the area inside the Razorback wall
>Wait for enemy to get close
>Open the floodgates and unleash death upon the enemy
The only armies at my LGS that I run into trouble against with that list was War Convo with Flesh Tearers Taxi Service and uh some Eldar player who always seems to kick my shit in somehow.
>>47325979
Las-plas is my life, man.
>>47325982
the other are used for units whose rules are nowhere else, like harlies or knights.
MT is really, why no astra militarum?
>>47325828
the FAQ hasn't changed balance because it hasn't changed rules.
it's just clarified things, if something seems nerfed/buffed its because we've just been doing it wrong this whole time.
What old unit do you want to see a return?
I want to see Ghost Warriors come back.
I imagine them being like
>Troop choice
>Typical MEQ statline
>Infiltrate
>Shrouded
>Executioners have short range haywire guns
>Assassins have short range 3+ poison
>One can take like a power sword or chainfist equivalent
>>47325820
New player here
Aren't Tactical squads bad?
Why do you have 10-man devastator squads?
>>47325856
there is the global meta, which is less like the turnament tier top 40 lists and more like the median of all players who play competitively.
/tg is just the right amount of competitiveness with the right amount of diversity and a small enough sample size to get a feel for whats going on in the world of 40k
>>47326068
Tactical Squads are compulsory troop choices IIRC, so most people run them at the bare minimum of 5 man, special weapon, maybe stuff on Sarge.
10-man Dev squads are good because you give ablative wounds to your heavy weapons guys. Only 4 devs can have a heavy weapon, so the other 5 marines stand in front of them to act as meat shields.
>>47326050
those are "mini" codexs. supplements are the ones like black legion or waaagghh gazkhul. they add no new units, just a different way of taking existing units to better represent a subgroup of a faction.
>>47326087
He said CAD though, doesn't that only require 2 troop choices? Why is he taking 5?
>>47325979
>no Pam
It's shit.
>>47326007
>1 Reaver
>1 Warhound
>5 Imperial knights
>1 shadowsword
>1 Avenger Strike Fighter
>4 Lemanruss tanks
>1 Tank destroyer hunter
>1 Hydra
>1 chimera
>2 platoons of Cadians/Catachans
>1 Sentinel
>5 Bullgryns
>2 Commissars
>10 Devistators
>5 assault marines
>Three Scimitar Jetbikes
>3 Bikers
>Necron Overlord
>1 Command Barge
>1 Triarch Stalker
>3 Wraiths
>5 Deathmarks
>10 Immortals
>>47326101
because he wants to
>>47326101
CAD is 2-6 troops choices.
>>47326068
if you read the guys post it says that he splits his devastator squads into 5 man units. extra troops are good for soaking up wounds.
>>47326052
Ork Tin-boyz. Robots orks build to make fun of other races.
>scout
>Enemy units may not target other ork units if a unit of Tinboyz is closer, unless they pass a leadership test on 3d6
>>47326110
Yes and I'm asking why. I'm sure there's a good reason if he gets results, I just don't understand it.
>>47326101
Because he needs objective secured, I'm guessing.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say his meta is very objective-based and he needs as many squads with OBSEC as he can get in order to contest objectives.
My meta is like that.
>>47326030
I also just noticed something.
> Using Imperial Fists
Good on you mate, and I wish you luck with painting all that shit. Imperial Fists are one of the "Big Three" for Optimized Gladii, with the others being Iron Hands and Raptors(With Carcharadons to a Lesser Extent if you're willing to fork over 60 points for 60 chainswords)
>>47326068
I'm running the tactical squads as Objective Secured meatshields to fill out my entire CAD. They all have transports because METUL BAWKSES are universally useful for being able to... Transport... things. And to act as a portable wall.
I have 10 man devastator squads because Space Marines have a rule called Combat Squads, and there's 3 of them because CAD limits. Combat Squads lets me split the devastator squad into two seperate units at the start of the game, so that they can target two seperate things for free Pseudo-split-fire. In addition, both halves of the combat squads benefit from their parent having Infiltrate, so in effect I have 6 squads with Infiltrate.
>>47326101
Because it's a list optimized for both maelstrom and eternal war. 6 squads in transports with Objective Secured means I can hold 6 objectives from people. And also you mis-counted.. I have 6 of them.
>>47326052
what are wraithguard?
>>47326110
>>47326117
yeah, but you guys spent like half an hour just ripping on how bad tac squads are
>>47326148
Read
>>47326129
>>47326126
And realize that this thread is filled with people who play in different metas that require different units.
>>47326129
Ha, no fucking way am I painting yellow. I'm taking the coward's way out and doing a successor chapter that I made (I really like Teal so I went with that) until my painting skills are good enough to do all that yellow.
>>47326148
Is it inconceivable that I'm somehow a different person with different tastes from the rest of the /tg/? This website isn't as hive-mindy as the rest of 4chan, or bullshit sites like leddit.
>>47326101
Because that many squads with rhinos provide lots of objective secured mobile units that can just rush to objectives, get points, and be a nuisance. He relies on the devastators to do the work of killing the enemy's tough units, and with that many models with the best gun in the game, you can bet they do it.
>>47326129
Ok I understand, thanks.
While I'm here I might as well ask:
I'm having a 500 point killpoint game against necrons (i'm going as Ultramarines). Should I take grav cannon devastator squads, or should I take grav centurions?
>>47326183
Do you have a way to transport the centurions?
If you don't, then no.
>>47326183
any insight into what Necrons are bringing?
If its an asston of warriors then the grav will be eh.
>>47326145
Ghost warriors are tiny. They used to be little drones that would guard a wraithlord
>>47325788
>make a campaign group
>want everyone to be on even footing
>ban decurions
>Necron player complains
>>47326148
not all of us and take what you read with a grain of salt. what the internet refers too as a bad unit is often still decent just not the most optimum. And even bad units can be good in a list built around them.
1 tactical squad thrown in just too meet requirments and fill in points probably is bad. 6 tac squads in a list built on tactics that take advantage of their strong points is good.
>>47326199
Hmm ok.
>>47326200
I think he might bring at least one ghost-ark with warriors? Other than that, I can't say.
>>47326183
Thunderfire Cannons!
>>47326183
You should be going for Grav-Centurions if you're going against Necrons. Grav-devastators are a pretty gimicky build that really requires a more subtle touch, such as something like Lias Issodon giving them all Infiltrate. Grav-Cents are more tough to kill on their own, and can actually move and shoot without incurring the salvo penalties, while Grav-devs have to sit still the whole game to be effective.. Which is super bad, because their guns are only 24" range.
>>47326215
I can confirm. 6 Tacticals with Rhinos can be a force of reckoning in the hands of a veteran, especially if they know how to take advantage of Rhino Phalanx.
>>47326052
Sonic Predators.
Responding to the worst-in-slot post last thread;
>>HQ
Wolf Priest. Too expensive to be useful. Costs more than a lord.
>>Elite
Wolf Scouts. We're special when only we had BS4 scouts but then vanilla dex happened....
>>Troops
Nil. Both troops have their uses and do them fine.
>>Fast
Fenrisian Wolves. Just not worth taking ever other than filling the auxiliary tax slot in WCSF.
>>Heavy
Predator. Pretty useless over Long Fangs. The new vehicle formation might make them semi useful.
>>47326253
It had to have existed first.
>>47326231
Well as others said without transports your poor centurians are going to footslog to their deaths.
Ghost Arks can be pretty strong.
Don't waste too much points on armour. Maybe a melta Dread in a drop pod to get in close and knock out the Ark and crash through some warriors but dropping by gauss can be rough.
>>47326273
They had rules for it. That should count
>>47326007
More people need to post their collection list.
>>47326293
What's the point of transportation in a 500 killpoint game? Can't I just sit back and get them to come to me? From what I understand, a ghost ark and grav cannons are both 24"
I want to buy the Space Marine Start collecting box, and start up a Marine army alongside my Guard army.
Question is whether I want them to be Iron Hands, an IH successor, or an IF successor, because I like both chapter tactics.
>>47326308
I suppose you are right.
With playing such high points and never playing killpoints I may just be useless here.
>>47326007
30 Tactical Marines.
5 Devastator Marines.
5 Terminators.
5 Assault Terminators.
1 Dreadnought.
1 Terminator Captain.
5 Assault Marines.
40 Cadians.
That's all.
>>47326299
Home brew doesn't count
>>47326255
ooh, fun. Here's my take:
>> HQ
Captain. Just vanilla captains. They offer literally nothing, except to serve as a beatstick. Marines don't need his LD, he offers no buffs, and he needs 75 points of upgrades or more to actually do his job.
>> Elite
Realistically? None. Vanguard veterans are a maybe, but they've always been the tool of a skilled player.
>> Troops
Scouts, they're a trap choice that offers precisely zero versatility.
>> Fast Attack
Assault Marines, enuff said.
>> Heavy Support
Predators!
>>47326308
Because most people don't bring Anti-Armour in 500 point games.
>>47326342
I like Assault Marines as bullying squads, personally.
>>47326335
It's not homebrew. It was in the 3.5 chaos codex
>>47326317
Buy the Start Collecting box buy look into a set of Dark Vengenace Tacticals, two Rhinos and a Drop Pod for your Dread. Also the DV Lib is a cheap SM HQ.
Try out both and see what you like for chapters.
>>47326360
Get your fandex out of here.
>>47326007
>150 infantry
>60 heavy weapons teams
>12 chimeras
>3 Leman Russ
>2 Wyvern
>3 Baneblade
>1 Stormlord
>4 valkyries
>1 vulture
>1 avenger strikefighter
>1 marauder SH bomber
>1 imperial knight
>commissars, officers, psykers, priests
>6 sniper teams
>>47326007
I own one box of firewarriors.
>>47326375
>>1 marauder SH bomber
Let me see a picture of that beauty. Also, disgusting armourcast chaos warhound thing in the back.
>>47326007
Lias Issodon
65 Tactical marines
15 Devastators
10 Assault Marines
9 Captains(One of which is MURDERWINGS)
6 Chaplains
6 Librarians
10 Terminators
5 Cataphractiis
1 Deredeo(Ancient Valentine)
6 Dreadnoughts
1 Land Raider
4 Chapter Masters
5 Sternguard Veterans
5 Vanguard Veterans
25 Scouts
10 Razorbacks
1 Rhino
1 Predator
3 Whirlwinds
4 Land Speeders
1 Vindicator
The Space Marine Casualties set(On Anvil Industry 40mm Bases, for Objective markers)
1 Imperial Knight
3 Devastator Centurions
3 Assault Centurions
2 Drop Pods
10 Honour Guards
2 Techmarines
Darnath Lysander
Varro Tigurius
> On Order Currently:
Chief Librarian Sevrin Loth + Honour Guard
>>47326419
Didn't finish it in time for the Apoc game, so just assembled magnetized and airbrushed once. No detail work yet.
>>47326007
3 tyranid primes
2 flyrants
1 swarmlord
45 termagants
60 hormagaunts
13 warriors
14 genestealers
1 broodlord
27 rippers
10 gargoyles
3 raveners
1 trygon prime
1 mawloc
1 carnifex
1 haruspex
1 tyrannofex
1 heirophant
>>47326444
Stop. STOP. My dick can only get so hard before I run out of blood.
>>47326007
>WHFB/AoS
Lord:
x1 Lord Kroak
x1 Krok-Gar (OOP)
x1 Oldblood on Carnosaur
x3 Eternity Warden
x1 Tiktaq'to, Master of Skies (OOP)
x1 Oxyotl (OOP)
x1 Tehenhauin (OOP)
x1 Skink Chief
x1 Scar-Vet on Cold One
x1 Battle Standard Bearer
x2 Scar-Vets on Foot
x2 Skink Priests
x3 Slann Mage Priests
Core:
x172 Saurus Warriors
x120 Skinks
x2 Skink Bearers
Special:
x43 Saurus Cavalry
x60 Temple Guard
x18 Kroxigors
x4 Stegadons
x4 Terradon Riders
x11 Chamelon Skinks
Rare:
x3 Razordon Packs
x3 Salamander Packs
x1 Malekieth
x1 Mortathi
>40k
x1 Daemon Prince
x1 Kharn
x15 Chaos Space Marines
x10 Khorne Berserker
x1 Chaos Predator
x5 Chaos Bikers
x1 Sonic Blaster Noise Marine (GW gave it me free, accidentally I think)
(these are all 2nd edition... so, nothing has changed!)
x2 Tech-Priests Dominus (GW gave one of these free, accidentally I think, they've done this before... Odd)
x10 Vanguard
x1 Onagar
>>47326444
Oh man, that isn't even the Bomber. That's it's super sexy brother, the Marauder Destroyer.
>>47326464
every missile is magnetized and can be removed when expended
So with the nerf to meltabombs and haywire, crowd-buster vehicles like the Hellhound are more viable now, right?
I like the hellhound...I like all versatile models, really. Can't find any at a decent markoff, though. Should I buy one at market price?
>>47326491
>and you have to waste time demagying them instead of just writing down how many you've used
Power to you, but I just see "omg you moved the base a bit when you took it off, cheater!" being yelled, but you prob don't have dick players.
>>47326202
>even footing
>allows super heavies and gargants
>>47326505
If you live in UK, there are 5%-30% off RRP around.
If you live in USA, then Ebay/Craiglist.
Also
>not buying one of these
Plebest To the Maximus.
>>47326505
I have a lot of fun with mine, but he's pretty fragile.
ranged flame templates fuck people up
>>47326491
You my friend, are the best Guardsmen player on here in a long time. May your skies ever be cleared and your shots always straight.
>>47326527
People are like that?
Guys in my group have fully magnetized their bigger mechs and walkers so they can actually have them "blow up" and we have added in rules that let debris from them count as terrain and cover.
It's especially nice watching a Knight explode and have pieces thrown across the table (and by that I mean Joey carefully carries the pieces to random locations).
>>47326557
>Superheavy with an XBOXHUEG FLAMER.
I'll take two. No, make that three.
I love flamers.
>>47326505
If you're willing to post your real name and email in this thread, I'll give you the new contacts for Chinaman. He sells hellhounds for 20$ a pop.
>>47324191
Does anyone in the Boston area actually play 40k?
And is it just me or do the tabletop players in the states just not put as much care into painting their armies as in the UK?
>>47326595
I do.
My army isn't painted very well, but I play.
What shops have you tried going to?
>>47326557
Bollocks, I cut it off. Chem Cannon is (2+) Poisoned, which is neat.
>>47326444
Wait what is this flier? SoB brought it against me and said it was a FW model for them. Is it an IG model?
>>47326527
You have the most cancerous sounding playergroup I have ever heard of. May the Emperor guide you to greener Pastures.
>>47326007
>1 captain
>1 assault squad
>1 devastator squad
>1 scout sniper squad
>3 tactical squads
>1 rhino
>1 anniversary marine
>1 dreadnought
>1 contemptor dreadnought
>>47324280
This.
>>47326566
I still think my sniper teams are the best models I have though. Even with old pewter models they look really cool.
>>47326606
Imperial Navy Marauder Destroyer.
pretty sure all imperial factions can use navy fliers
>>47326581
It's great. Fucking silly and can fuck you up, but it's cool so who cares. See >>47326605 as the Chemical upgrade weapon stat cut off. It's neat.
S1 AP2 Poisoned (2+) will hurt most things easy enough. Inferno Gun is great fun against hordes.
Amazing model too.
>>47326583
>Chinaman recasts
Nein, nein. I've been screwed by bad recasts one time too many and I have painfully high standards. I gotta have the good stuff.
>>47326606
It's an Imperial Navy superheavy flyer from Forgeworld. Any imperial faction can use it.
>>47326606
Imperial guard=/= Imperial Navy. Lore wise they are split up so it makes sense for them to be the same on the table top. You can use them with any imperial codex.
>>47326612
Thanks anon. It'll work out for all of us.
>>47326579
WAACfags are. Or they'd shout "stop wasting time". So I'd probably only do it during their turn, but I'd also fear cheating.
>>47326648
Well, Z isn't TOO bad. I ordered 10 Razorbacks from him for 20$ each, and with some careful assembly, only 1 of them ended up as a terrain piece.
>>47325759
>>47325995
If it's random chance it's fine.
>>47326675
Huh, I must be lucky with the group I have then, a lot of us are very WAAC but still like to do stuff like have a titan fall apartand kill units under it if they fail a roll to get out of the way.
>>47326645
>That trailer.
It's not ruined for me, but I'm not fond of it.
The rest of the model is sexy though! 11/10 would use in my flamer army.
This reminds me that I need to work on my viable version of the list, because the current one can't hurt armor.
So tg how do you stay pumped while painting?
>>47326707
I touch my wiener with agrax earthshades to give it more depth.
>playing against nids player
>after he deploys I tell him I'm going to infiltrate my infiltrators
>he then proceeds to reposition some of his units so they can have line of sight on his entire side
>tell him he can't do that after deploying
>he then proceeds to throw a shit fit and throws a rule book in my face telling me to show him where it says that
>>47326707
Pumped? who gets pumped while painting aside from the occasional bit of inspiration?
>>47326682
>giving out Z's email
if you are >>47326583, or whoever is, should be ashamed. He recently cut off a lot of customers because he was getting too big and spread.
>>47326505
What nerf?
hey guys, im playing a tourny this weekend and they are being fags, so no formations. I usually run the riptide wing. do you think it would be worth it to bring 3 riptides without them being in the formation?
>>47326704
Me too anon, I don't like the flamer, but you can't drop it or people would complain 'cheating'.
I've tried to think of a way to conver it, so it's still there, and "exposed" enough that people won't call it cheating.
I need to ask Forge World if it counts as the vehicle for targeting purposes. Because if it does, what AV does it use? And if so, where does the explosion rule come into effect? The trailer or the tank, or both?
>>47326741
Only one can be thrown I think
>>47326371
Why why do you think CSM suck? Because of the sins of 3.5 Iron Warriors.
>>47326732
Dox checks out, you're a real person. The contact information has been sent, enjoy. If you can't find it, check your spam box.
>>47326704
>>47326754
Err I mean the flamer trailer.
>>47326736
I should have ordered from Z that one time, but I resisted as I have too much stuff to do as it is. Either way, there is no way to get hold of him and he will just reject new contacts ANYWAY.
>>47326732
I've seen your email post before.
>>47326776
It doesn't matter anyway. Z will reject requests from new contacts.
>>47326793
Fuck his sekrit klub bullshit, I hope people keep spamming his shit everywhere.
>>47326765
Oh that's old news then
>>47326814
Yeah fuck him for not wanting to get caught for providing a clearly desired service.
>>47326007
this is just my nids.
still in the process of organising the marine army I accidentally collected not sure of everything i have yet.
1 flyrant
1 hivetyrant/swarmlord (yay magnets)
1 tyranid prime
3 tyrant guard
8 tyranid warriors
5 shrikes
20 gargoyles
120 gaunts
20 ripper bases
44 genestealers
4 broodlords
6 carnifexs
1 old one eye
1 tervigon
1 malefactor
1 heirodule
1 deathleaper
5 lictors
4 zoanthropes
1 neurothrope
1 malceptor/toxicrene
4 tyranocyte
3 biovores
28 spore mines.
1 harpy
1 hivecrone
5 raveners
>>47326736
Honestly I'm probably gonna buy my Hellhound at my FLGS. Support the business, ya know?
I wonder how many the average guard player needs, though. You need one to do the formations it's in, with the exception of that one 'instant death hellstorm template' apoc formation.
>>47326861
He's been 'caught' loads of times. He just resurfaces. They're never going to die.
>>47326861
>Encouraging his shit
I've noticed that everyone who buys from recasters has a McJob or gets neet bux.
>>47326948
No, they just don't want to support Jew Double Jews.
>>47326948
Believe it or not, but people who jew their way through life end up having the most. Most self made millionaires from the past 100 years are like this and its what got them to be where they are.
Build me a genestealer cult list? I'm going to buy the box and want to field them as a army.
Anyone have experience running Wraithseers?
Im building a foot-slogging wraith-only army, and the buffs they give out seem really good. The D-cannon upgrade seems really expensive for what it does (I run Eldar D weapons using the old 6th edition stats) so I would probably give it a brightlance or something.
>>47327005
They're getting a standalone codex soon, so I would wait.
>>47327015
It's Spear is great. It's a very good unit. Just watch out for the usual suspects. It's basically a Wraithseer in a Wraithlord shell. I love it.
>>47327005
Want me to wipe your ass while I'm at it?
>>47326915
the old guard rule of take 3 (because one will fail and one will die) probably applies here too.
>>47327018
Sauce?
so what's the verdict ... are only fighter roles the ones with skyfire option only???
>>47327089
can't fucking find anything saying otherwise ... unless something hidden says both bomber and attack fliers get it as well ... unless we let the special rules from the BRB surface despite it being replaced by DFTS
>>47327089
if you're using death from the skies yes.
it's probably not going to become a universally expected thing until we get updated rules for FW flyers
>>47326007
Still building my Grey Knights. I still have some PA guys to make.
1 Librarian
1 Draigo I made myself
2 Brotherhood Champions
10 grey knight terminators
7 interceptors
7 purifiers
2 dreadknights (1 still needs to be painted)
1 vindicare assassin (needs paint)
1 rhino (needs paint)
1 xiphon I still need to build
still have some power armor bodies to assemble into interceptors and purifiers and 3 terminator bodies I'm going to turn into Paladins probably.
Then I own about 1500 points worth of csm from when I was 14, when I played with friends in 4th edition. All painted badly. And some other random models I've picked up from other games.
>>47326007
>2 Ghazghkull
>1 Badrukk
>Warboss PK Warbike
>Warboss PK
>Big Mek Shokk Attack Warbike
>2 Big Mek Shokk Attack
>Big Mek Mega Armour KFF
>Big Mek KFF
>3 Weirdboy
>Painboy
>Painboy Warbike
>4 Meks
>84 Slugga Choppa Boyz
>73 Shoota Boyz
>11 Big Shoota Boyz
>17 Tankbustas/Rokkit Boyz
>12 Kommandos w/ 1 Big Shoota
>Snikrott
>26 Burna Boyz
>27 Lootas
>Blitza Bomber
>2 Dakkajet
>29 Warbikerz
>7 Nob Warbikerz 4 PKs 3 Big Choppa
>20 Stormboyz (1 Nob PK)
>2 Deffkoptas
>28 Nobs
5 PKs
13 Slugga Choppa
3 Big Choppa (1BP)
1 PK combi Burna
6 PK Bosspole
>8 Meganobz
>10 Flash Gitz
>Looted Wagon
>9 Deffdreads
>14 Killakanz
6 Rokkits
2 Kustom Blastas
6 Grotzookas
>2 Orkanaut
>5 Mek Gunz
>3 Battlewagons
>Stompa
Some day I hope for the sweet embrace of death
Is an infernal tetrad cheesier than riptide wing?
>>47326915
>I wonder how many the average guard player needs, though.
you either take one and hope people ignore it
or take multiples and brute force it
A single hellhound adds a nice bit of spice to an ordinary list, though. If you like the model, that's where I'd start.
>>47327274
How much is painted anon
>>47327390
>>47327390
Almost10% :(
Working on getting them all done this summer
>>47327135
Woo Lads, brought my Deathwing with a small Ravenwing force for delivery against Blood Angels and had a great game at 1750 points.
We played Eternal War: The Relic and I aggressively scouted after stealing the initiative. My two attack Squadrons (1 Melta Attack Bike / Double Melta Landspeeder and 3 Grav Bikes / Typhoon Missile Launcher Landspeeder) came in on the flanks where there was a Predator and Dev Squad on opposite sides. The Typhoons did some nice work on the Devs but they came back and took out the landspeeder on his turn. I pushed my attack bike too far forward and he had some sanguinary guards that got to them in close combat and won. He had some 200pt crazy dude with them that did work
On turn two I brought in my DW Command Squad with Ezekiel and an Interrogator Chaplin. As well as another 6 Termis. They shot at the guard and his warlord and prepared to duke it out. I also got Mind Worm off on em. On his turn I obviously got charged but Overwatched the shit out of him because I was in range of my support squadron (7 heavy bolters overwatching at BS2) then the Deathwing fire off theirs and he challenged out Ezekiel. I accepted it for the luls and scored 2 wounds on the giant gold bastard. The Deathwing pretty much smashed the guards face in after that and took most of their wounds. This combat ended up lasting till the bottom of 4.
He won the mission with his tacticals grabbing the relic but I enjoyed the battle and using my deathwing effectively.
>>47327085
Some "next 6 months" release list. Also includes Rubric Marines (assumed to be part of Fenris Warzone Part 2) and CSM remake. Oh and Deathwatch codex. Plus lots of AoS.
>>47327298
Yes, very much so. That is saying something too...
>>47325820
>Before Deployment, Lias Issodon grants Infiltrate to all three devastator squads.
Only the squad he's attached to as of 7E.
>>47326624
Good God Emperor those things look gorgeous. I salute you.
>>47327459
The guy really gimped himself running Sanguinary Guard. Power to him, but 22ppm naked T4 2+ guys with nothing else going for them sucks.
Blood Angels are all about Death Company, hoping for lucky rolls on Librarian Dreads, Frag Cannon Dreads and Fast Vindicators.
>>47327515
Oh should have added he was testing out rules to give them a 5++, they weren't too bad but he is building Death Company and has more than one Vindicator he just diddnt bring em.
>>47326250
>rhino phalanx?
Pls explain to a noob
