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>Last Thread
>>47309654
Jumpers, at what point and how do the news media react to your antics?
>>47318937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg
>>47318764
>>47318811
...pretty much. Knowing my luck he'd just take one look, put down his gun, and reveal HE DIDN'T NEED IT as he proceeded to kick my ass bare-handed or something. Because apparently in the new game his armor absorbs Hell energy safely to empower him.
My own greed would remind him of everyone he's faced, and righteous justice would collide with my skull.
>>47318953
>"A Tyrannosaurus rex on the streets of Moscow? Ridiculous."
>>47318968So is Doom 2016 any good? Games with review embargos that last right up to release make me suspicious.
>>47318937
>Demonic Doom Edition
Worth it.
>>47319102
>taking the Drawback
YOU FOOL
To SMTanon: If one has both Dormant Power, Herald and one boosted capstone do you add the Dormant Power's value to your maximum level cap or if your Herald's level exceeds the diminished Dormant Power's level would you be capped at that level?
And-if you've already maxed out your level cap as a King of Bel from Devil Survivors does it overwrite both level caps or added to them?
>>47318953
As the Page of Void and also an expert politician, only when we want them to. Public relations may be ephemeral and fickle, but they can make an excellent force multiplier to any number of schemes.
>>47318968
>his armor absorbs Hell energy safely to empower him
Oh shit, just remembered what that reminded me of.
The DEMONICA. Doomguy's got himself a freaking DEMONICA. Wouldn't be surprised if the demons are scared of him by now.
>>47319102
Crushed Pelvis [x]
>>47319081It's simple, but Bethesda actually did a really good job. It's pretty straightforward and if you want the lore and the intricacies of the story you gotta do some serious exploring for the codex entries, but it lives up to the hype.
Honestly, Bethesda doing the review embargo I think was them not having faith in the product after the E3 complaints.
>>47319102
>>Demonic Doom Edition
>Worth it.
Agreed.She and Jibril look great together, one on each arm.
>>47319081
I'm having a lot of fun with it.
While the, "To Be Continued," end has been turned into a monster in the modern game industry, it fits Doom rather well, and the game itself had enough substance to not make it unsatisfying.
It's brutal as fuck, and honestly, it's everything I wanted out of a bloody hallway slaughter FPS.
But that's just, like, my opinion, man...
>>47319143
>>47319163Worth it just for the single player? I've already got a MP FPS that I play with my friends, and they're not going to change to this.
>>47319123
>Wouldn't be surprised if the demons are scared of him by now.They call him the 'Doom Slayer' and have fucking LEGENDS about him. It's implied he's the same guy from Doom 1, Doom 2, and Doom 64.
>>47319081
I haven't played it, but I doubt it.
>Published by Bethesda
>What is RageThe two companies just get in each other's way. Their great at their own things, but together it's like trying to mix mentos and coke.
>>47319123
I... am having trouble figuring out what you're asking.
But regardless, Dormant Power's Level Cap is not an actual thing. It is simply shorthand for how far you've grown, and how far you will grow, and also a means of explaining the cost of Capstone Boosting.
Herald, and any of the Demon Races, do not have levels. They are considered equivalent to a particular level in a meta sense, in order to help gauge their strength, but they do not actually have levels.
Your theoretical demon level will not interact with your theoretical Dormant Power level in any way. The same, presumably, would go for being King of Bel.
>>47319161
Throw a Choir in with that, and I'm sold.
>>47319161
>She and Jibril look great together
Truth.
>>47319244
>>47319224
>>47319161
>having more than one waifu
>>47319214
Out of curiosity, about how powerful would a tyrant with Dormant Power be once they reach LV99?
>>47319177
I haven't tried MP yet, so my opinion is based around single play. I still need to go back, and find the rest of the secrets.
The delicious, wall humping secrets...
>>47319183
I love that it sounds like a campfire horror story. Like, the demons gather around a slaughtered carcas, and they get spooked talking about him.
>>47319191
Hey, Rage wasn't that bad, gameplay-wise. It had a horrible plot and progression, and the inexplicable mandatory racing segments were nonsense, but when you were in a combat area it was pretty good. I'd play a pure FPS with minimal story made by that team.
>>47319291
I agree.
If you liked the shooty bits there, then DooM is your jam.
>>47319260
I. REGRET. NOTHING.
>>47319214
My bad, although that answers most of my question(s).
Um. Put it this way: Does Dormant Power power grow the power of other SMT-native beings from other SMT jumps, or just the form your background in? As in, can you apply its' growth to your nature as a King of Bel, only your Herald-form and if so d'you have to split how much you grow either way?
>>47319161
>>47319260
...so how do you guys prevent collateral damage from happening when they hang out with you?
>>47319348
>Harem perks
Prepare for a lot of stress mentally and physically.
>>47319354
What do you mean 'prevent'?
>>47319354
>prevent collateral damage
I don't, that's half the fun!
>>47319366
WORTH. IT.
>>47319370
>>47319394
This is why I say Jumpers are nothing but trouble to regular people.
>>47319366
>physically
Not with 80s Action Movies' Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus.
>>47319354
I made sure to have all the social perks I needed to keep the conflict to an entertaining minimum.
>>47319214
By the way, what did you decide in regards to the nerf? Also, how did you decide to cap dormant power and other equivalent options to nation level, if the powerlevels w/o the conception are so vaguely defined.
>>47319354
>prevent collateral damage
I know these words, but I do not understand what it is you're trying to say. Is this some kind of code?
Anyway, I make sure that group eventsNOT LIKE THAT maybe a little like thatare something everyone can enjoy. Which is to say that I only mix matter and anti-matter if I really need serious juice. We're more a loose confederacy than a authoritarian federation. They've got their shit, I've got mine and we get together based off of wants and needs.
>>47319366
I don't challenge myself and take on will and charisma perks so I can sit around painting figurines. I build big so I can go big.
Are there any jumps that you can import a ship into to make it more livable? I'm trying to take advantage of the ship import in Uncharted Waters that lets all your companions be active so long as they stay on the boat to turn the Light of Terra into a sort of generational ark. I want it to be a place where all my creations can have happy and pleasant lives when I'm not working with them. Making it larger for more living space would help, of course (hey, finally a reason to take the size boosts other than just ego), but are there any imports to make it more comfortable? Or am I going to have to do this the hard way?
>>47319436
Ah the Light of Terra, if there is something yours can't do you are doing something wrong.
>>47319454
Well, my first thought was to slap thrusters on a Microverse Battery from Rick and Morty to have a pocket universe to put my creations into, but it feels like cheating to call that a "ship". So I'm going with a max-size Light of Terra, instead. More passe at this point, but I know it would work.
>>47319454
Can it parallel park in downtown Manhattan during rush hour?
CHECKMATE IMPERIALS.
>>47319487
I'll bet money someone's can, there are people who import the Light of Terra as EVERYTHING. There are even those who have turned the thing into a waifu.
>>47319487
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG1-ijS7Rx0
>>47319513
Why would someone ever turn that beautiful ship of technology into something as horrid and disgusting as a waifu?
Because I liked the discussions it caused, and because I missed it all while I was at work, let's continue an open question from last thread.
What themes do you follow as you make your Jumper? What are the things you gravitate towards, internationally or otherwise?
My big one is Kleptomania. I am now a multiversal super pirate.
Yarrr!
>>47319530
Have you seen the imperial's idea of ship design. The point defenses are almost nonexistent and the main guns are literal broadsides, seriously they have to turn the whole ship to shoot.
>>47319264
About strong enough to consistently defeat Michael.
If you want something more concrete than that, you're gonna have to wait some time for the coffee to kick in and for me to have the will to go through my previous rulings to properly decide on what point in the "Aquaman Ass-Kicking/Ass-Kicked" scale they will fall in.
>>47319354
Dormant Power grows by itself and can not be applied to other things. It can be put together with those things, much like one would stack two strength Perks, but it doesn't directly enhance other stuff. Sorry.
>>47319412
It is what it is. Are you sure you want that second question answered?
>>47319539
I do horrible things to society as a whole in the hope that some powerful entity will descend to wipe away the trash that I have turned them into.
>>47319487
She is a ship-girl, and yes.
I tought her how to drive.
>>47319554
>The point defenses are almost nonexistent and the main guns are literal broadsides, seriously they have to turn the whole ship to shoot.
The point defense is a problem, the broadsides less so. But yeah, I made sure to grab the robust point defense upgrade available in the LoT customization.
>>47319582
See, I told you they waifued the LoT.
>>47319554
>Not admiring the technology and improving it by adding onto it.
>>47319582
Fuck.
Technically that works.
>>47319596
She's more of a daughter.
>>47319598
Oh I upgraded the absolute shit out of it I am just saying it is a poor starting point. As far as I am concerned the Enormous battle ship is only good as a base to build on since there aren't any bigger ships that I can use as a foundation.
>>47319348
Ryoko is best. BEST.
>>47319598
Eh, the technology is only so-so. The aesthetic is kinda beautiful in its own odd way, so I tried to make it look the same, more or less, and upgraded the shit out of the technology.
Outside of planet-busters, which are pretty great, 40k's tech and weapons tech in particular aren't that great.
>>47319628
Ryoko is pretty fantastic. Washu a best, though. Especially adult!Washu.
>>47319613
That is sick.
>>47319628
>Ryoko
>Not Washu
Shit taste detected.
Might as well post an update to SMT.
(Shin Megami Tensei)
-Background: Modern Magician (Free) -Hey, I'm just a magic person. No need to fear.
-Demonic Fusion (400CP) -Yaaaaaay demon hybrids!
-Polymath (Free) -Computer skills are kind of nice?
-Demonic Infusion (100CP) (Discount) -Ahahaha, holy shit what.
-Theme Music (Free) -Lord oh lord, what.
-Dormant Power (-400CP) -Aaaaaand we've just gotten stupid.
-Demon Race: Power (Demonic Infusion Free) -Maybe get a little bit of angelic into this. A touch.
-Demon Race: Variable (Succubus) (Demonic Fusion Free) -We're staying humanoid. Also, the little boost could help out.
-Magnetitex2 (-500CP) -An extra stockpile could help.
-Golden Apple (-700CP) -Part one of my plan...
-Magic Bottle (Free) -Wheeee! Whatever!
-Soma (-800CP) (Discount) -Aaaaaand part two of my plan.
-Jakyou Manor (-1100CP) (Discount) -Additional demonic research is important.
-The Pre-Apocalypse, Apocalypse, and Post-Apocalypse (-1100CP)
-Sick Little Puppy (-900CP)
-Seven Hells Battle (-600CP)
-World of Chaos (0CP)
Dice Rolls: Hospital, Kichijoji (Surrounded by Demons), 18 years old
-End Choice: Next Adventure
So the only thing that really changed was that on the SMT list, Elves are level 26, and the Variable choice requires 100CP for every 2 levels.
Fuck.
So used Demonic Fusion for a Succubus instead, used Variable CP on that, and used Demonic Infusion for the Power choice instead. Picked up the 'Seven Hells Battle' drawback, bought the Manor to mix into my Gouma-Den from Soul Hackets, and some extra Magnetite.
I'm sure absolutely nothing will go wrong as I pursue my knowledge and experimentation on the demonic.
>>47319642
>>47319651
Washu is number two.
>>47319625
>>47319642
You both disgust me.
>>47319539
On all levels, including physical, I am a dinosaur.
>>47318953
Usually my antics that are public are restricted to 'a bit above the local powerhouses.'
One of the times I let loose in public was in Worm.
Everyone was freaking the fuck out because they thought the biggest Endbringer yet had just arrived.
>>47319699
DIIIIOOOOOOOO!
>>47319678
>Two
>Not One
Bitch those are fighting words.
>>47319669
*100CP for every 10 levels
*Soul Hackers
Oh fuck everything.
>>47319566
Yeah, I'm honestly curious at this point. I thought King Frost's Ice Age stuff would be reasonable, since it's never implied to be the result of the conception, you also stated that we kept the ability to fight 'world-shaking gods' from dormant power and other high-powered jumps give us at least the potential of continental/planetary power (Xiaolin Showdown, Touhou, Lego-Legends of Chima) with decades of training. Related to that, how long would it take as a Tyrant or Lov to reach planetbusting/planetary potential with The Overlord's Seat?
![[pizza mozzarella].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Zrz19s5.gif "[pizza mozzarella].gif")
>>47319712
Go away, Johnny.
>>47319697
Don't you have some droids to refurbish or maybe some moisture farmers to swindle?
>>47319730
>LEGO: Legends of Chima
You mean the one Jump that literally scams you?
>>47319763
Secret of Evermore does too. In both cases I'm fine with it.
>>47319697
Fuck off priest, don't you have a ritual to preform so that you can change the batteries in your power dildos!
>>47319366
> Mushoku Tensei's Harem Protagonist
> Ouran High School's Make Them Swoon
> Cardcaptor's Something Special
> Tenchi Muyo's Hopeless Suitor + Multiple Spouses
> ...
> Sonic's Super Sonic Speed
YOU FUCKERS WILL HAVE TO CATCH ME FIRST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
>>47319834
Just how many harem perks are there out there?
>>47319864
Enough to seduce the entire female population.
>>47319872
>the entire population
FTFY.
>>47319539
Ha ha! I slept through it!
I will now babble about my game of pretend!
My old build's theme was True Strength.
The power, wisdom, and righteous intent to achieve ones goals without requiring anything beyond oneself.
But then my computer broke in transit while I was moving, so I just decided to start again rather than try to remember all those numbers.
My new build's themes are Song, Flame, Illusion, Family, and Fluffy Tails.
And a whole lot of trolling.
I also have a primary companion(waifu)that I import into every jump that lets me.
Every.
Single.
One.
Her themes are Swords, Awareness, Support, and Soul. And self replication.
I forget which of us has DMC's Darkslayer style, but it matters not. We are very, very intimately familiar with this particular, "Sword."
Her themes are important because they are also my themes. Due to the saturation of teamwork perks, Soul Eater's Black Blood import, and general familiarity, our final form is a little... singular.
>>47319885
>>entire populations
>FTFY.
>>47319903
>>>Yes
>>FTFY
How popular would an aberrant from the SW Clone Wars Jump be in 40K? I mean you could just shut down any psyker BS pretty hard.
Tell me about your Vanguard companions, /jc/!
>>47319566
Duly noted, thanks. Also, SMT update:
Drawbacks: The Trials of Masakado, Two Steps From Hell, Sick Little Puppy, The Pre-Apocalypse, Apocalypse and Post-Apocalypse, The girl that was killed in the park...World of Chaos (2400)
Demon, Age 24
Rolled Hospital, Kichijoji
Demonic Union: Virtue, Throne (2300)
Dormant Power (1800)
Mimic (Free)
Kugutsu Magic (Free)
Herald (1000)
Chosen of Raphael: Power (400)
Crown of Thorns (200)
Gunmetal Alchemist (100)
Magnetite (50)
Gullible DDS-NET User (0)
Theme Music (Free)
Whelp. If we're going to be the savior, and the Messiah's slacking off being a Persona somewhere else, we might as well rock the crown of thorns look.
Also since we can't afford some YHVH-designed firearms we'll just have to use our own divine essence to make our own.
Also, also-even if we've missed out the opportunity to companion 'em it'll be funny to take Alice, Belial and Nebiros...to visit Alice, Belial and Nebiros.
>>47319554
>>47319625
>>47319598
Also, you guys get it. That's what happens you leave ship management in the hands of a galactic cult of personality with too much faith in that human superiority bullshit and too little restraint when it comes to form over function.
Ship of Theuseusing that whole thing takes time, but it's better than having the engine blow up because some hothead in an agile fighter flew in the exhaust port through the defenceless trench and blew up your power systems.
>>47319834>both the Tohno and pre-Tohno glands in Tsukihime/Kara no Kyoukai as well as Relationship Flag from Fate>To Boldly Come from Star Trek>Irregular Charm from Tower of God>Red String from Persona>Power is Sexy from Red Alert
>?!?
>Page of Void
Good news, everyone! Even if you can't run from the sins of your past, YOU CAN HIDE FOREVER!
>>47320027
Is there a battle sister pancake?
>>47320027
I have 40 Imperial Guards that all resurrect endlessly as companions, they get exited whenever I tell them that they are fighting normal human enemies. . . and extremely suspicious.
>>47320027
Vanguard? Is this a reference to something, or just the definition?
I'm too tired to think after work...
>>47319986
Only if they directly try to manipulate you.
Nothing stopping them from dropping a tank on you.
>>47320172
Indeed but it is only the more esoteric threats of the warp that threaten a not early chain jumper.
>>47320119
>all resurrect endlessly as companions
?
>>47319539
>What are the things you gravitate towards, internationally or otherwise?
Well, I purposely choose SCIENCE! and CRAFTING! perks.
But I always seem to gravitate towards the perks that'll turn me into a fleshbeast.Also lewd perks. No idea why.
>>47320202
They are companions and as such do not stay dead. A remarkable trait for disposable cannon fodder.
>>47320169
Cardfight Vanguard.
>>47320169
>>47320235
Oh, I was thinking literal vanguards as in the front line fighters.
>>47320214
Well as a flesh beast you would need lewd perks to get laid due to looking like an abomination.
>>47320256
Yeah, me too.
>>47320235
>>47320256
>>47320273
Well I'll take my fodder guard home then.
>>47319539
Evolution > self-improvement>durability perks>regeneration > science.
>>47320268
The Idiot Magician is your Friend, from Bartimeus. Combines human appearance with monstrous abilities.
>>47320295
Have you tried combining that with a Kaiju form?
>>47320305
The real fun starts when you combine it with the Final Form perk from SAO.
>>47319539
not being a wizard
>>47320374
Your theme is avoiding being a wizard?
>>47319730
The problem is that King Frost is a fucking chump, and having him just do that stuff on a whim raises the power level of everything else by association, to the point that I'd have to make it an endjump unless I arbitrarily forbid you from the higher-tier stuff.
"World-shaking" covers a lot of ground.
Ignoring the fact that the energy needed to destroy a planet doesn't scale directly upwards from the energy needed to destroy a state, and going with the previous statements regarding growth, around 103600 years.
>>47320411
Dunno, honestly it seems like you just can't handle the actual canon of the setting you're SUPPOSED to be making a jump for.
>>47320441
Okay, you? The guy already said SMT1 isn't nearly as OP as people make it out to be. Plenty of anons even brought it up last thread. Constantly complaining to him isn't doing any favors when the argument was over, go make an SMT3 jump if you want it so badly.
>>47320441
In his defence SMT 1 is a lot more, well, reasonable than its' sequels and spin offs. Seems legit to me that the supernatural beings inhabiting it would be less OP than the other games
>>47320411
Why would it have to be an endjump? Remember, most people were fine with the jump before the nerf. It was literally one, maybe two anons that wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. And honestly, even if you do have to nerf us post jump, you shouldn't make us weaker than a 'fucking chump'. Just clarify that we won't be able to achieve galaxy/universe busting shenanigans and the jump is in line with the other high powered jumps. And 103600 years, really? Touhou is at most a few centuries to reach planet busting, and that setting is waaaay weaker than SMT (and also NOT an endjump).
>>47320556
>>47320556
Except King Frost, who's capable of creating an ice age/freezing the planet. And is much, much weaker than say, the Archangels. And the fact of the matter is that SMT2 and SMT3 are sequels to SMT1, so unless you're arguing that it isn't canon, the powerlevels should still be similar.
>>47320295
>>47320305
This is insane when you consider that you would be condensing all of your physical abilities that are all scaled up to match your 300ft size as a kaiju. If you though FISS 5 was good before. . .
>>47320575
OK i am going to clarify this as someone who likes touhou. touhou has hax not raw power the abilities are all incredibly broken but only the moon bunnies can claim any pretense of planet busting. I'm not saying its weak (or even mid tier really) but planet busting touhou is not.
>>47318953
>Local conduit makes anime characters real. People from across the world flock to his new enterprise Waifu World in Bellevue. Details at 11 at this startling development.
>In other news a group of conduit vigilantes calling themselves "The Chainsmokers" attacked an Akuma protest in Downtown Seattle. Our own Monique Ming Laven brings you on scene coverage.
>>47320669
Wait, what? Infernal Sun allows you to produce as much energy as the stars. That is totally Planet Busting, maybe more depending on what kind of a star your being compared to.
>>47320664
Wait kaiju form scales other physical perks up with size?
>>47320701
You must supply the matter and energy. . . read the perks.
>>47320701
It seems more like a mini-sun than a full sized sun. You wouldn't be able to fit something like that on the planet, let alone Gensokyo.
>>47320575
Oh, for the love of-again, TOUHOU GETS WANKED. I don't care about the rest of the argument, but those fucking loli shits get overhyped harder than John Cena at summer slam
>>47320664
Ant-Man of the Gods...
>>47320717
Hate to break it to you bro, but saying 'it's just wank' isn't a very strong argument. Certainly not stronger than the girls' own boasts.
>>47320701
Surprisingly enough no, sometimes people write perks as hyperbole for flavor purposess. I'll have you know I once PM'd maker, who has a bit of a bad reputation for wanking the power of things (see: Prototype virus eating Azathoth) to clarify some thing about the jump and even HE said the touhou powerlevel shit was silly and he didn't take it seriously.
>>47320715
It doesn't 'read' as any sized sun. It just says stars. Most stars aren't mini-stars. The mini-sun thing is just something that's wanked by people who forget that the jumpmaker was an enormous power-wanker.
>>47320709
In Pacific rim it does:
>Also, all of your physical capabilities scale to match your new size.
Condense this into to a normal human form with The Idiot Magician is your Friend and you have just obtained an easy multiplier to all of you physical abilities.
>>47320717
>>47320730
Not to mention the setting itself has built-in nerfs.
But yeah, >>47320669 , this anon has it right. Touhou's main thing is conceptual bullshit not raw power.
>>47320730
By itself no, but my point is that the girls' own boasts+the fanbase taking them completely at face value is an even weaker argument especially when boundary chick apparently isn't capable of fending off the moon people. When her fans would assert she could, I dunno, remove the boundary between victory and defeat and instantly win or some bullshit.
>>47320770
So are there official statements about how strong they are? Where do people get the planetbusting stuff?
>>47320701
It also states that it will be near impossible to achieve that on magic alone and you are short the god reiuji has housed inside her to do the legwork. Gods are a big deal in touhou.
>>47320770
Some of the girls do have raw power, however. Like the onis. They can't crack the planet, but still, blasting apart mountains and such is pretty 'raw power'.
>>47320774
In-setting words are always stronger than an anon post on 4chan. It doesn't really matter what you think is reasonable or what, you're just anon.
>>47320760
I couldn't care less who's wanking what, but the simple fact is that a) she's not the most powerful youkai in the setting by a wide margin and b) people said to be much stronger to her like Yuugi and Yukari get trumped by things that AREN'T celestial bodies and on that basis it is obvious that line was hyperbole.
>>47320764
Don't forget to take the perk from Young Justice that makes your telekinesis as strong as your own physical strength.
>>47320788
The God is the reason why she has the ability in the first place, not a power source that amps her up.
This is actually worse than the Imagine Breaker arguments!
>>47320798
It's not hyperbole so much as it doesn't supply the energy needed to actually use it that way. Theoretically, it's possible. Just, you know, you need a sun's worth of energy.
>>47320807
It does what! This is going to be a fun combo.
>>47320826
I've seen people say that doubled Fire Bending Genius is a sufficient power source. I kind of doubt you need a sun's worth of energy?
>>47320744
Prove it.
>>47320854
>I've seen people say.
I've seen people say vaccines cause autism and that aliens built the pyramids.
>>47320792
>In-setting words are always stronger
Wow, so 2+2 really does equal 5 huh?
>They can't crack the planet
And they're considered damn buff. Need some help with those goalposts? Because you just admitted some of the beings considered the strongest in the setting aren't rip-apart-stars stronk.
>>47320824
Agreed, at least THOSE stayed on-topic.
This whole argument is just pointless considering the original premise was one guy complaining about SMT powerlevels and being disagreed with at any turn, and it's just devolving into speculation over a setting where the creator himself enjoys not clarifying powerlevels.
>>47320854
I've never heard anyone make that claim. All that aside, there is nothing in Avatar anywhere near Touhou's heaviest hitters' powerlevel.
>>47320854
That would not work at all, ever, fire benders don't even produce their own fire! Seriously they draw their strength from the sun, they produce no energy only bend it.
>>47320885
>Wow, so 2+2 really does equal 5 huh?
Sorry anon, I don't know what your issue is, but the fact of the matter is that the girls are a better authority on their power than you are. This is such a basic statement that there's really no other way to express this to you, you have no authority on this issue. They have more than you. Trusting them makes more sense than trusting you. Your opinion is nothing. Your logic is nothing. That's all.
>>47320871
I can't, and I wouldn't blame you for doubting me. Surprisingly enough no, I don't save every PM to trip up people with because I'm not a fucking lawyer.
>>47320823
It's both she's a shrine and houses a portion of yatagarasu who wanted to provide a power source to maintain the underworlds flames. the ability is derived and empowered by the god not the yokai. Reiuji is actually housing a divine spirit jumper is not.
So
With gourmet cells, what would happen if i ate nothing but ramen?
>>47320933
They evolve into Ramen cells.
>>47320933
Nothing. Gourmet cells need good food to power up.
Can't we all just agree that both of you are stupid and that this debate is pointless?
>>47320787
ZUN's been pretty vague about it, he actively encourages the fanbase to go wild with their own interpretation of the setting.
Your best bet will be to look at their mythological counterparts and extrapolate from there.
>>47319763
>>47319777
How do Lego Chima and Secrets of Evermore scam you?
>>47320910
>but the fact of the matter is that the girls are a better authority on their power than you are
>what is bragging and hyperbole for 500, Alex?
>>47320933
You become brittle and salty.
Not much of a change.
>>47320965
Where's your proof? Seriously. You can't sit there and claim yourself to have absolute authority on the truth unless your name is ZUN. Come off it.
>>47320954
I like this idea.
>>47321004
Third.
>>47320199
Point being that 40k's celux is more adroit at handling psykers as a celux can disable psyker shit at a distance if built properly. It's active defense and offense, whereas abborent, while good, is purely passive.
>>47320411
I'd honestly prefer if you just accurately represent the setting's power level. If that means capping us at a certain point, that's fine. Not this dumb bullshit where we can be massively more powerful than a early game character, but also not capable of causing as much destruction as he can.
>>47321018
Actually post jump it lets you straight up lolnope any nearby psionics completely.
>>47320961
Well, that settles it then. Considering most of the freaking gods of Japanese mythology aren't planetbusters and the youkai are WAY below their level, that sounds about right.
>>47320991
Not him but I think this whole argument is bloody stupid because THERE IS NO RIGHT ANSWER to be argued either way. The girls are smug bitches with huge egos. ZUN is being deliberately ambiguous
And this whole argument only happened because one salty cracker was contesting powerlevels for a completely different setting soin the end, it doesn't even matter
>>47320973
I'm usually more greasy than brittle, actually.
>>47320991
Neither can you since all these so called planet busters and universe renders can get beaten up by a random player in a video game who can dodge bullet hell, so I guess this whole argument is stupid.
>>47321067
I have the girls' own words. No matter how unreliable you think they are, they're more reliable than an anon is.
>>47321060
>I'm usually more greasy than brittle, actually.
Sick burns do tend to cook them noodles...
>>47321067
The rest of the thread as already been saying that both you and this argument are stupid, now stop it.
>>47320954
No, I want to know what would happen if i ate nothing but ramen.
There have been nothing but helpful answers.I'm going to need a more diverse diet
>>47321098
>sick burns
Hey c'mon, I'm sweaty not infectious.
I'm just kind of bitterly amused that this pointless diversion has probably had the complete opposite effect the anon who brought up Touhou in the first place hoped it would because now the whole thing is being tossed out like the bullshit it is, any coherent argument about SMT powerlevels either way has long been forgotten.
>>47321123
Also, constipation and dry mouth based on what happened to one of my roomates.
>>47321123
>Eating nothing but ramen
Anon you should at least have some crackers and bread.
>>47320963
Lego Chima has a bunch of Ravens try to sell you junk items for CP. Evermore has an Amulet of Annihilation (a piece of powerless crappy jewelry) offered to you repeatedly. In both cases, this is in line with the setting, and comes off as funny.
>>47321151
I'm pretty sure a diet of ramen+those would have approximately the same effect as eating too many MREs i.e. traumatic constipation and food poisoning. There are less painful ways to get anon to kill himself, y'know
>>47321123
Not that debate the Touhou one, if you eat nothing but Maruchan Ramen you will eventually die of malnutrition due to missing vital nutrients.
>>47320764
now is that all your strength perks or just the perks you have taken up to that point?
I would just like to say that the SMT jump is FINE the way it is right now.
>>47321067
>planet busters and universe renders can get beaten up by a random player
He'll keep ranting about proof and credibility despite that. Just stop replying to him.
>>47321177
I would assume all but I am not the jumpmaker, nothing suggests that it is only those you have up to that point.
>>47318953
I don't watch the news chap. I make it then sell it for very reasonable fees.
>>47319102
A fellow of wealth, taste, and drained vitality.
>>47319354
Knockout from Elona and relevant Nanoha perks sound like a wise investment to prevent collateral. Physically anyways. Other repercussions require a chaperone or sticking them in a void.
>>47319454
But can it tell us why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
>>47319539
The wanderer, the tourist, names to run away from very quickly. I tend to couple intimidation perks with reputation perks as together they prevent more fights than they invite.
>>47320036
You can run, you can hide, but you can't escape yourself. Also Toggle more.
>>47320343
Then use the overlooked human disguise form perk from rosario+vampire. Totally normal person who is not at all an eldritch abomination.
>>47315869
Going from last thread there was mentions of Discworld magic feats. Trying to look into it I see little to no mentions of this, and somewhat ambiguous and unhelpful wiki information. In the interest of not skimming entire books/series for information, could someone elaborate on this? Pointing out a source listing such info would also be a boon.
>>47321179
No anon, it really isn't. That inconsistency with King Frost alone is worth at least some kind of clarification, especially since it isn't caused by any in-setting metaphysical crap.
>>47320910
>>47321098
Memo, from a Touhou Fan:
- Remilia Scarlet boasts about her capability to manipulate Fate, but has yet to show any actual control over it.
- Kosuzu Motoori does not put much stock in her capability to decipher any book, but Reimu considers her a proper "must kill" threat, and has attracted Mamizou's attention.
The girls themselves are probably the unreliable narrators of their own abilities. The best thing to do is to not take everything at face value and wait until you yourself see how they use their ability before make your mind about them.
Perfect example:
- Yuuka Kazami, her only ability is the manipulation of Flowers, and yet she's one of the most powerful and terrifying Youkai in Gensokyo. Period.
>>47321193
No, the problem with that specific argument is that everyone is playing by spell card rules because of MAD. It doesn't really factor into arguments about their true power.
And seriously? That guy's entire argument is "NO THEY'RE NOT THAT STRONG" Why? Well as far as I can tell, just because anon says so. I'm not even the person arguing for SMT, I stepped in to point out that an argument that's basically "Trust me, I'm an anon!" is worthless.
>>47321234
It's in the notes. Fuck off.
>>47321236
Memo, see >>47321241
I'm not making any argument of absolutes. I'm telling anon his argument is stupid and we shouldn't be taking an anon's words as credible. Especially when he never presented a real argument, just outrage that I'd disagree.
>>47321123
Do you have Metavore? If so, eat away.
I would like to reiterate that the Touhou argument is pointless and everyone involved is an idiot for trying.
>>47321179
Agreed.
You know, people keep talking about what they wanna be over there but what are you guys going to do? How would you derail the nuclear launch apocalypse thing? Or, why would you let it happen?
>>47321236
I completely agree with you, but in all fairness for that last point I remember being told Yuuka's power came from being old rather than her purview, and so having? So she's kind of like the Xykon of Touhou? I'm admittedly very unfamiliar with the franchise
>>47321241
>>47321272
We fookin' get it guys, your arguments are both shit. Move along, new topic coming through
>>47321219
>dat Jibril
She does funny things to my preservation instincts and my 'unf' detectors. Help.
>>47321241
Nobody gives a shit.
>>47321269
No it isn't dumbass. The 'End' drawback dismisses all of the planet/universe busting and King Frost's power as being the result of in setting metaphysics, but King Frost had the ability to freeze the planet since SMT2, before any of that came into play. That alone means that the powerlevel is far greater than country-busting. Hell, SMTAnon even confirmed it.
>>47321322
You care enough to whine.
When are you kids going to realize that screaming, whining, complaining, and all around shouting as hard as you can to get people to stop talking makes them MORE likely to argue, not less?
>>47321272
Ah, my bad. Thought I was replying to someone else.
>>47321282
Hence me going "wait and actually see that shit first", Touhou's setting is one of few WoGs, so I always wait until ZUN says something solid about the setting before I jump into "debates" about this thing. And don't worry about it.
Anyways, that's it from me and all of this.
>>47321327
Nobody cares shut up both of you.
I refuse to admit there are more than two of you in this argument because it would damage what is left of my faith in humanity.
>>47321327
Are you the asshole that ran off DsAnon? Everyone was just fine with the SMT jump until you started up with this shit. So I repeat, fuck off.
>>47321370
The guy who ran off DSAnon did so by whining that the setting is too powerful and that he needed to nerf it or make it an end jump. This guy is arguing for the opposite. So no, they can't be.
So here's a question for Jumpers: did anyone grow on you or surprise you? Someone you were reluctant to companion or just hang out with becoming important or worthy of respect over time?
>>47321340
Which is why nobody is listening to the "you're just anon, and thus wrong," argument.
It doesn't exactly engender any constructive discussion.
>>47321370
The entire reason SMT was nerfed was BECAUSE of the asshole who ran off DsAnon. People were fine with it beforehand. Get your fucking facts straight dipshit.
>>47321390
>>47321423
It is going to end up stuck as a end jump if this bitching keeps up.
>>47321409
See both >>47321241 and >>47321272
Both of these present actual points. Where's yours? "Fuck you the girls are wrong I'm right because I say so!"? That's not an argument. That's not as credible as pointing out the lack of authority you hold.
On top of that, you want me to stop talking? You're the one that keeps posting to whine about my posts, the one that is continuing to argue. If you want me to stop, you should stop trying to argue that you have authority as an anon to declare what is and isn't correct in the ambiguous lore of Tohou.
>>47321437
How've you been holding up since you ran off DDSanon?
Showa Kamen Rider Jump question : does animal themed powers work proportionately? I.e. choosing an ant would grant relative ant strength
>>47321462
I don't want that to happen you dipshit.
So
How 'bout them drawbacks, /jc/?
What's the most memorable drawback you've ever taken?
>>47321490
Anyone else really annoyed when they see a post that's obviously desperate to change the topic?
>>47321503
Can you blame him, bitch?
Any other topic's better than the back and forth bullshit you faggots are ragging on harder than a bitch in heat.
>>47321399
I ended up making Korra into an extremely effective Avatar. Turns out what she really needed was a competent teacher who didn't put up with her shit.
>>47321525
She needed a decapitation.
>>47321490
Apocalypse now in young justice, it was one of the longer fight scenes I've been in, the most I've ever died. I don't take "fight previous foes" drawbacks anymore because of the risk....
>>47321503
yeah we need that though to keep the salt intake down.
>>47321503
Considering that the alternative is usually watching some anon pitch a bitch fit over some shit I couldn't give less of a shit about, no. And fuck you for asking.
>>47321503
Nah, it's a good way to get people involved in changing the subject.
>>47321490
>What's the most memorable drawback you've ever taken?
See: >>47319102
>>47321525
Out of curiosity, what did you have her do? One of the questions the series tries (and fails) to adress is what's the place for the Avatar in a modern industrialized world. What was your answer?
>>47321525
She also needs a pod.
>>47321522
>>47321544
>>47321545
>>47321557
Desperation just gets really under my skin. The same way fear pisses off dogs.
>>47321443
>thinks that I'm the anon that he's been arguing with
I was just pointing out that the attack of credibility is a terrible form of argument.
For both sides.
Calm down, dude.
>>47321574
>The same way fear pisses off dogs.
So, your saying that you're a bitch?
>>47321574
>>47321490
Once upon a time, there was an innocent young Pokemon Trainer.
He never forgot how the Zubats hunted him.
>>47321503
>>47321574
What topic?
>>47321490
Kinda redoing my Chain at the moment thanks some updated Jumps, but so far, I've Got Needs trumps all.
OH! Super Pervert in Naruto as a fem Senju was fun.
>pic related
No one was safe, nothing was sacred...well, when I was off the clock that is.
Actuallly anons who else did a legacy jump into Korra and what were the consequences?
>>47321615
Did he become Zubatman?
>>47321616
I like you.
>>47321490
There's a couple of drawbacks that I keep. The drawback from HSotD that makes everyone sexy, but more or less condemns the majority of the population. Also the fantasy drawback from dragon's crown that makes all kinds of fantasy creatures show up.
It makes my chain kinda odd, but I like the weird of it.
>>47321626
Pretty big. You know how Avatar apparently takes place on only one hemisphere of the planet? And how, in order to avoid the civilization-ending storms that should be hitting the Fire Nation constantly if that other hemisphere was all ocean there would have to be a land mass there? One presumably without humans, since the Avatar has never (as far as we know) incarnated outside of the Four Nations? Yeah, I lead a colonization fleet across the sea to the New World. Screwed up that timeline something fierce.
>>47321646
Wait so you live in monster girl land?
>>47321219
Toggle's from YJ right? Didn't get it.Wouldn't have helped anyway, it says it handles powers not perks and IIRC YJanon defines powers more in the manner of superhero powers than just perks based on how Amazo tech has no truck with spiritual/magic stuff
That was me bringing up the DIscworld feats. Lemme find 'em on online copies of the books. Apologies for the text formatting in advance.
Albert knows a spell that slows time over an area. It was intended to delay a glitch in reality caused by someone not being reaped properly but...things went awry thanks to a backstabbing duke:
http://tnovels.com/mort/page-27-114510.htm
The Rite of Ashkente in action: http://tnovels.com/mort/page-30-114513.htm
Tiffancy Aching beating the Fairy Queen: http://booksonlinefree.net/the-wee-free-men/page-35-115448.htm
Tiffany Aching "killing" the Hiver with a Shamble http://booksonlinefree.net/a-hat-full-of-sky/page-29-115481.htm
Granny Weatherwax accelerating time: http://tnovels.com/wyrd-sisters/page-26-114706.htm
And-crap, I Shall Wear Midnight isn't out online yet for free. All I have is the last page of Equal Rites, but she DOES travel to...odd parts of space-time in that book http://booksonlinefree.net/equal-rites/page-34-112724.htm
>>47321679
>Anon tries to apply physics to magic bending land.
>>47321490
I took YOU.
and FORGETTING SOMEONE? Both drawbacks in Total War.
I think I was the only one to do so, and all of the odds were stacked against me.
But I pulled through, and purged the last of my inner demons in doing so.
>>47321636
>>47321679
Avatarworld's geography makes zero sense anyway.
So what was in this New World?
>>47321679
Personally, I thought it was just the weirdness of mapping that made it somewhat look like that when drawn. Not that there's an entire hemisphere that's just ignored.
>>47321490
Well, there was >>47319834 ...
I also keep a variety of Drawback Companions, so there's that...
>>47321616
> Super Pervert in Naruto
Oh! I took that drawback, too!
I perfected my "Fiber Lost" technique that jump!
Of course, I guess I did get to see Ryuko Matoi do it enough times to copy it back in Kill la Kill. All those mimicry techniques really came in handy!
>>47318953
>>47321490
Not exactly the full fault of the drawback, but... well, Bloodborne has 'Watched' which makes you gain the attention of all the Great Ones, yes? And 'Blood-lust' gives an unquenchable thirst for blood.
While doing some writefagging I realized two very horrific things:
-I was a Life Fiber Mosaic in Terra Formars, with Red Surgery/Hidden Potential... which likely means I gained their whole 'blood absorbing' tidbit.
-I've taken plenty of moon empowerment/moon embodiment perks
Now remember how much tainted/eldritch blood gets spilled around? And the importance of the Moon in Bloodborne?This is one of those things where my perk choice in the past has come back to backfire on me in absurd ways.I didn't quite leave the same way I entered.
>>47321684
You don't need lewd jumps to jump lewd, anon.
>>47321626
While I do have it in my Build-list, I haven't gotten around to writing it up.
I did however tell Aang that I was a void spirit. That if the world is a song, I was the space between the notes.
I was pretty convincing. I was using my Twili for from LoZ, with my CATastrophy fox mode mixed in.
I'll probably show up with more tails, and the Spirit of Twilight. It'll be fun messing with Korra...
>>47321538
You're so boring.
>>47321564
I ended up teaching her a lot of things. That being respectful is about who you are, not who the person you're dealing with is. That you can always change your mind before you act, but it's a lot harder afterwards. That you don't have to prove you're strong.
As for her role? The same as always, but moreso. The Avatar is the one true mediator of the world. They're a part of all tribes but none, with generations of wisdom gained from ten thousand years of lives. She is the ultimate mediator - the true neutral party. So that's what I taught her to be. Truly consider things, and help bring the two opposing parties together, rather than just jumping in and trying to make sense of things later.
>>47321715
Look, something has to be stopping the category 5 hurricanes that should be hitting the Fire Nation. I always assumed it was spirits protecting mankind, but then Legend of Korra decided to retcon the spirits into not being able to affect the physical world easily and I had to drop that. So this is the best explanation I could come up with.
>>47321737
A lot of "bizarre" animals and plants that were just normal real-world animals. Presumably this is where Bosco came from, somehow. It also explains why there are normal wolves and yaks in Water Tribe territory, they could cross from the other continent to the poles more easily than from one continent to another, kind of like how in our world there's a lot of weird cross-continent mixing in the Arctic circle. There were also still-extant populations of dragons and sky bison there. Aside from the unusual flora and fauna, it was a mostly empty land rich with natural resources. There was a big gold-rush sort of scenario, all the nations competing to establish colonies and ship back the mineral wealth of the New World.
>>47321742
Nope. We get a few shots of the planet from space. It's not just an artifact of the map.
>>47321490
There was another Drawback that gave me interestin' results.
So in Hellsing, I grabbed the Schrödinger Drawback, because hell yeah, multidimensional kitty. Then in Darkstalkers much, much, much later, I picked up Morrigan's Drawback, because it seemed like fun and Kurumu needed to learn from a proper Succubus.
Then I realized something.
Schrödinger was still hanging around doing his thing and Morrigan is seriously powerful. What are the chances that catboy/girl/thing shows the Queen of Makai certain ways to cross dimensions, following me and my companions?
>>47321857
>Nope. We get a few shots of the planet from space. It's not just an artifact of the map.
Huh. That /is/ weird. Fair enough then.
Oh yeah there was somebody asking about the paintbrush thing in Oblivion ages ago. Read the question, couldn't answer as the IP on my phone network is banned and then forgot about it until now.
Answer is maybe. TES precedent (like most fantasy settings) for the jump is that magical shit keeps working in other settings despite the unique metaphysics.
Think there's a note about Daedric artefacts which is sort of vague but is basically the idea that it may not be possible to take them to other settings and even if it is they might just piss off back home when they get bored as Daedric artefacts are wont to do.
Brush of Truepaint is reportedly Aedric though (possibly made of Dibella's hair) and I've no idea whether they tend to run away as well. If it does work you might want to make sure people don't get their hands on the painting while you're in it. Not a lot of lore on the object, you're probably messing with powers you don't understand but then that's TES for you.
There's less lore on aedric artefacts in general but given there's no reference anywhere I know of that they go walkabout in the same way you may well be alright. Plus it's neat but it's not the Eye of Magnus, doesn't strike me as something that might be required to keep the world ticking over.
>>47321737
The Void Republic, Metal Empire, Wood People, and Etherites.
>>47321967
Are you fine with people making other jumps within the DC comic universe? Spyro talked about how the DCAU has enough content for a bunch of different jumps, so logically the comicverse should have just as much, if not more.
>>47322044
>Metal Empire
I'm going to assume it's the musical version since the physical thing is already indirectly covered by earthbenders.
>>47322086
How many DC jumps do we have currently? DC, Young Justice, Teen Titans, Arrowverse, Green Lantern TAS?
How does Force Sight work?
Is it 360º, or just give you a feed of where eyes -would- be?
Also, how does it perceive energy? Can it see the blades of lightsabers, or the bolts from a blaster?
>>47322128
No, Earthbenders just bend the impurities in the Earth. True Metalbenders bend the metal itself.
>>47322160
Yes.
Is Legend of Korra worth as good as TLA?
>>47322086
Within reason I don't think any broad jump should stand in the way of a more specific one. Same deal with Sitcoms or Horror movies, do it if you can.
Difficult to make superhero stuff good or balanced though and it's easy to make one into a grab-bag so if you're interested you should probably ask yourself whether you're a bad enough dude first.
Plus like:
>>47322150
said it's going to be increasingly difficult not to retread old ground.
>>47322238
What?
>>47322238
>Is Legend of Korra worth as good as TLA?
>>47322238
The Jumps are pretty similar.
The series... oh boy.
>>47322254
So if someone makes a Batman: The Animated Series jump, then comic book Batman is now blocked off, and vice versa? Damn.
>>47322288
Honestly not sure how you read that into what I said.
>>47317220
Well, lets just have a build for this one now, shall we?
Location: Tyto Forest
Denizen of the Kingdoms [Free]
Northern Saw-Whet Owl [Free] I like this species. Small and fun.
perks:
Instinct [Free] Alrighty.
Prehensility [100, upgraded] I've got magic... toes?
Nurse-maid [100] Raising stuff is good.
Strong Gizzard [Free] Still stacking the willpower/stubborness.
Red Glare [100] Oooh, glowing red eyes AND a boost to all my fear abilities? Must-buy.
Silent Wing [200] Silent when flying and snatching up things/people? One more on the ninja pile.
Higher Magnetics Spronk [200] Wha? Some kinda super-magnet stuff that does magic-ish stuff?
Ryb of Blacksmithing [400] Oooh, lightweight metal with the same durability is nice. Especially considering how often I use hyper-dense metals, this is real lifesaver.
Gizzard Flying [300] Flying is fun.
items:
Mu Metal Helmet [Free] Ok.
Seed of Ga'Hoole [100] It's a fancy tree. I want it.
drawbacks:
Slow Starter (Bird or Bat only) [+100] Okay, I'll get back on the flying bit in a bit. I think.
Yeeping [+200] Don't really need wings to fly... but still annoying.
The Ground Is Dangerous [+200] Atleast I can still run from... whatever that is.
So... Until I get this 'flying' thing down (again), I think I'll just be spiderman-ing it up in here. Maybe try and visit Ga'Hoole with the plot, if I can fly by then? Seems fun.
...Does water count as ground for The Ground Is Dangerous?
Anyway, this is mostly just a nice and relaxing vacation jump, with great perks.
>>47322288
It's not a matter of being blocked off, since it's entirely separate continuities. It's a matter of making Jumps that aren't too redundant. Batgod meme asides, there's only so many perks you can attach to him.
>>47322264
>>47322269
>>47322266I want to blame bring intoxicated, but i'm just retarded.
I meant the series.
>>47322389
Just ask /co/ if you ever want to start a shitstorm.
Ah, my apologies. I thought you meant that we weren't allowed to make jumps about the same series in different continuities/universes, since they would be too similar in content.
>>47322389
No, not that. What does, "worth as good," mean?
>>47322389
It's terrible.
>>47322418
Meant to link to>>47322321
>>47321490
Metastasis Crisis in Mushoku Tensei
...'nuff said.
>>47321626
What d'you mean by legacy jump?
In The Last Airbender (jump #69) we kinda just tagged along with Aang. We were just this weird waterbender guy who came out of nowhere and owned a spaceship so-other than some sieges being ended much, much sooner and some sidetracking skipped entirely not much changed, really.
As Aang became more spirit-sensitive he DID start to get weird vibes from us because, y'know, Darkhallow so we had to improv some really good magical illusions. In retrospect, being a master of Heylin magic probably didn't help either.
Also we made Sokka an HF boomerang. He had fun with that.
In Legend of Korra, we met up with Korra on the road to Republic City and became a sort of stealth sidekick. Laid back (double, original "master" trained) waterbending genius and public relations advisor by day, wetworks operative by night. Unfortunately Elodie became jealous because we weren't HER mentor exclusively anymore and-let's just say hell hath no fury like a queen with decades of political savvy.
ANYWAY, we also helped Asami manage her own company, bloodbent Amon out a window during one of his speeches and spiritbent Vaatu into nothingness before he could ruin everything for everyone. We let Korra take on the Red Lotus and Kuvira by herself, though. Had to test our stealth mentoring somehow.
And uh. We...kinda hooked up for a couple of jumps. Hey, this was the early days dammit.
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