Dark Souls Lore Thread: Traditional Gaming Edition.
Please feel free to discuss any theories, speculations or ask any questions you may have about any of the souls games in the trilogy.
Previous thread here: >>47259737
TOTALLY CONFIRMED LORE:
The giant worm is Solaire
Solaire is Gwyn's firstborn
The queen is Rosaria
The queen is the shrine handmaiden
The queen is Gertrude
The queen is Gwynevere
The queen is Shanalotte
The queen is Fira from the comic which is totally canon guys
The King of the Storm is Ornstein
The Nameless King is Ornstein dressed in firstborn's clothes
The Nameless King killed Ornstein
The Nameless King is Faraam
Aldrich is Smough
Aldrich is the Chosen Undead
Vordt is Smough
Yorshka is Gwyndolin
Yorshka is Ocelotte
Yorshka is Priscilla
Yorshka is Gwyndolin's daughter
Wolnir is the Bearer of the Curse
Yhorm is Vendrick
Yhorm is the Bearer of the Curse
Yhorm is Vendrick and Nashandra's son
Oceiros is Bearer of the Curse and Shanalotte's son
The First Scholar is Aldia
The First Scholar is the Bearer of the Curse
Gotthard is Kamui
The Sunless Realms is Mirrah
Londor is New Londo
Smouldering Lake is Old Iron King's Keep
Smouldering Lake is Drangleic
Smouldering Lake is Lost Izalith
Profaned City is Drangleic
Profaned City is Lost Izalith
Profaned City is Eleum Loyce
Irithyll is Drangleic
Irithyll is Eleum Loyce
Sirris isn't a Darkmoon
Aldrich isn't a Lord of Cinder
Anri isn't from Astora
Aldrich ate Nito
Aldrich ate the Witch of Izalith
Aldrich ate Priscilla
Aldrich ate the Chosen Undead
Aldrich dreamed of Yorshka
Aldrich dreamed of Priscilla
Aldrich dreamed of Fira from the comic which is totally canon guys
Priscilla was Gwyndolin's niece
Priscilla was Gwyndolin's sister
Priscilla was Gwyndolin's wife
Priscilla was Gwyndolin
Carthus is Izalith
Carthus is Drangleic
Farron is Oolacile
The Untended Graves are in the future
The Untended Graves are in the past
The Untended Graves are in a parallel world
So what exactly are the "angels" that show up in the Lothric Castle lore? Are they Primordial Serpents? Are they Pilgrim Butterflies? Neither of those fits with the feathery wings the golden winged knights have, or with the feathers scattered all over Gertrude's (?) cage. I feel like I missed a crucial piece of information.
>last hour for board game stretch goals
So Beatrice is basically in at this point. Almost no hope for 4m, but its nice to pretend; what-re the hopes for the new add-on?
Why is there a crab in the skeleton ball?
>>47285142
Breaks my heart that I can't back this. Would kill for those miniatures, but I guess I can ebay the stuff I want most or pick them up at retail later.
>>47285239
debonair hat skeleton can't keep it in his pants?
>>47285239
Lobster was too expensive.
>>47285005
Reminder that Anor Lond is the Dream-City of Kadath, with its spires of gold, stairs, and with the night-gaunts that act as transportation... and ghastly guardians.
>>47285093
They're probably something we haven't seen yet. Possibly the focus of one of the DLCs.
They might be something related to the Dark because the closest things to feathery angels we have actually seen in the series are Darklurker and Sulyvahn (his second form has angel wings).
>>47285290
holy fuck, I've never made the connection.
>>47285290
And don't forget how the resident Gods are gone.
I wish necromancy was real so I could summon Lovecraft to see what he'd think about From Software's games. I'd even take the risk of summoning ye liveliest Awfulness by botching the ritual.
so I figured out that I could afford the darkroot expansion, but only if I sell my copy of DS3, should I?
>>47285093
Probably Frampt. "I'm an angel, appearing in this fleshy form to communicate with you" or some bullshit. Kaathe explicitly leads the Sable Church, and Frampt is the Kingseeker, the one after a rightful ruler to link the fire. Makes sense that he'd try to sell himself as some kind of divine messenger to increase the chance of his manipulations working, since Kaathe obviously did the same for the hollows. Says that they were largely viewed as heretical and rejected by the king's Three Pillars (the High Priestess, the Knights, and the Scholar).
And yeah, it's Gertrude's cage.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Winged+Knight+Helm
>Worship of the divine messengers was viewed as heresy in Lothric and unrecognized by any of the Three Pillars of rule.
>This is believed to be why Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter, was imprisoned in the lofty cell of the Grand Archives.
Maybe she sprouted wings herself, or always had them and is why she's called Heavenly Daughter?
Either way, too many holes, too much guesswork.
>>47285340
Aren't add-ons going to be available at retail later on? Why not just wait?
>>47285346
Winged Knights look so cool. It's a shame you gotta dump so much VIT to wear their armor.
>>47285390
I wish they'd just kept equip load as part of endurance. As it is, vitality is essentially just the vanity stat, and wasted levels on someone aiming for one of the contending meta levels.
>>47285416
Yeah, if armor is nearly worthless in regards to damage mitigation as it is, either turn poise back on for heavy armor, or do what you suggested.
I feel sorry for Smough cosplayers. They can't even equip a matching shield to offset the fact they are stuck with fatrolling without putting crippling amounts of levels into VIT.
>>47285416
Vitality isn't helped by the fact that Poise is close to useless so heavy Armour feels like a total waste of time.
>>47285346
It's unlikely to be Frampt because Frampt is pro-Fire, just like the Lothric Royal Family, so I don't see why the Angelic faith would be heretical if he was the one in charge.
>>47285501
Didn't the Elevens not care about poise because they nostalgia hard over DeS?
>>47285509
Yeah, admittedly that's a big point I wasn't able to reconcile. Could be a third, as-yet-unheard-of serpent? I'm also not sure why, if they're heretical, there are statues of them around the castle.
>>47285542
The Scholars of the Archives were referred to as heretical despite being part of the Three Pillars of Lothric, if I recall.
Welp, about 30 minutes left until the kickstarter ends.
Hope they release a early look into the rules soon. I am hyped as fuck.
>>47285524
>the Elevens
Literally who?
>>47285542
>I'm also not sure why, if they're heretical, there are statues of them around the castle.
This is why I'm really against the idea that the angels are the primordial serpents - why would the Three Pillars allow the statues of a heretical faith to be put up in the castle? Yes, the primordial serpent statues have little feathery wings, but there's also gargoyles with feathered wings too - much bigger, more noticeable ones. I think the winged statues are just decoration. If the primordial serpent ones do have lore connotations then my own fan wank is that they're statues of Frampt, who came to Lothric's royal family a long time ago and is the reason they're so obsessed with linking the flame.
>>47285618
Japs.
Just over 30 minutes to go and I finally caved and put down some extra money to get some of the board game expansions. Now I just need to decide which megaboss I'm going to pick.
>>47285669
Darkroot Expansion + Kalameet is pretty much a must.
After that? Gaping Dragon because the model is cool as hell, and maybe the Asylum Demon or Four Kings.
>>47285601
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Soul+of+Consumed+Oceiros
>Oceiros went mad trying to harness his royal blood for a greater purpose, leading him to the heretics of the Grand Archives, where he discovered the twisted worship of Seath the paledrake.
I assume it refers to scholars who wield the Heretic's Staff.
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Heretic's+Staff
>Sorcery is a logical academic discipline, and the power of sorceries depends heavily on the caster's intelligence.
So maybe not ALL the scholars of the archive, but certainly some of them. Maybe a group who found some of Seath's research and sorceries among the thousands of books there and were rejected by the other scholars for following the crystals?
>>47285629
>Frampt, who came to Lothric's royal family a long time ago and is the reason they're so obsessed with linking the flame.
That's my thinking too, and if you abandon the idea that Frampt is the angel, then it does fit. Plus, all the references specifically say angels, plural, so it's multiple beings.
>>47285629
>Yes, the primordial serpent statues have little feathery wings
No they don't, they are wearing feathered pauldrons.
>last minute pledge for board game
>realize you have to pay for more than two bosses
>immediately unpledge
No
>>47285725
Great, even more ways to discredit the angels = serpents theory.
>>47285669
>>47285696
Kalameet's a really cool looking model too. Have they said yet if the final miniatures are going to be color, or just sticking with grey?
>>47285725
Could be either imo. I mean they're statues, and serpents obviously don't actually wear clothes, so I think for the sake of imagery it's more likely that they're being represented WITH wings, rather than just wearing wings.
Jfc I just counted the minis from the kickstarter and it's 87 in total, not counting barrels and shit. That's 90p a mini, not factoring in the actual boardgame parts
>>47285005
>The queen is Rosaria
>The queen is the shrine handmaiden
>The queen is Gertrude
>The queen is Gwynevere
>The queen is Shanalotte
>The queen is Fira from the comic which is totally canon guys
What the fuck? This almost makes me want to suffer painfully and play Dark Souls.
>>47285861
It's great value, and makes me sad that I can't afford to back it right now, and mad that the eventual retail release is going to have like a quarter the content for the same price.
>>47285986
It's shitposting. Don't give it too much thought.
>>47285987
All I want is there to be a helmet that's just that statue's head.
>>47285987
>>47286062
First time I went through the Archives, I was hoping that there'd be a helmet that was the melted wax candle head, instead of the temporary effect of just dunking your head. Turns out there WAS, but it was cut.
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/unused-content
>>47286142
Apparently if you invade and dip your head, you'll have a permanently dipped head when you return to your world.
>>47285661
I don't follow.
>>47286310
http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Saitama_Ghetto#Elevens
Firekeepers are for _____
>>47285340
You know you'll be able to up your pledge to get addons post-campaign, right?
>>47285779
They're going to be grey. Paintable though.
>>47286466
ShANALotte was not a firekeeper
>>47286466
Being more annoying than just doing shit at the bonfire like they had in 1.
Rolled 916 (1d1000)
>>47286512
Neither was the doll.
>>47286466
hug
>>47286512
It's spelled "Ocelotte"
>>47286475
eh, I'll do that then
>>47286526
neither was the maiden
>>47285416
>vitality is essentially just the vanity stat
You need it for the defenses.
>>47285987
Considering this serpent is portrayed as having wings I always assumed it was the angel which visited the maiden.
Why else would they give it angel wings?
>>47285746
The basic 80 pound pledge includes Dancer, Kenan and Kel, Smelter Demon, Pursuer, Alonne, and Armorer Dennis and Sword Master Saber, who might as well be bosses.
You fucked up.
>>47286744
Not that anon, another one who didn't back for lack of funds. Just checked and they have a late pledge option, any idea how long those stay open? If it's at least a month or so, I can get it.
>>47286654
Aside from elemental protections, I've not really noticed much difference in the performance of the armour.
>>47286877
Kickstarter Campaign Ends
0 Day - Pledges are charged.
1 Week - Survey sent confirming emails.
1-2 Months - Pledge Manager sent to backers confirming add-on purchases, extras and taking payment for shipping.
1 Month Before Shipping - Pledge Manager deadline - any late confirmations after this deadline will be shipped from the UK after all other pledges are completed and may incur additional cost.
I would guess that you have between one and two months.
>>47286916
VIT itself gives you defense.
>>47286973
I think all the stats do (and usually boost a specific defense or resistance a little more), but it's fairly minor within the levels most people would really pvp
>>47286466
Lewd
>>47287089
At 120 40 VIT is basically standard, and using more than starting VIT is always recommended.
>>47287089
I'm actually just checking this out now, most of the stats will add some defenses, but not nearly as much as Vit, which adds a couple of points each level.
>>47287145
Base defence is 50. Going to 40 VIT gets you up to 67. You get to 87 just for wearing the lightest armor in the game. 116 for both. Seems like you'd get way more investing those points in other stats.
>>47287145
Are you mixing vigor and vitality up? 40 vitality seems like a waste to me.
Rolled 252 (1d1000)
>>47287342
That's because you get a defense penalty for not wearing any armor. 67 is what you get after the penalty is added.
Is Flann ever mentioned in dark souls 3?
>>47285239
To make people try to figure out why there's a crab in the skeleball.
>>47287887
Anyone ever got him to Gwynevere's room?
>>47287966
That's quite a long walk for such little crab legs, any reason you ask about that specific room?
>>47287145
>At 120 40 VIT is basically standard
What? With a fairly generic Quality build you're at SL 108 as Knight (IIRC) once you've got your 27 Vig, 40 End / Dex / Str.
Given the choice between 27 Endurance + 40 Vitality vs 40 Endurance and 27 Vitality I feel like I'd go for the Endurance every time.
>>47287966
People have gotten him to everywhere he can go (certain types of rooms block him out, like boss rooms), and nothing happens. Even down with the fire crabs (he takes almost zero fall damage for some reason, so some people thought that might be deliberate so you can get him down there), nothing happens.
>he hasn't got the ultra secret Crab of Cinder ending
Are they bone, rock, clay?
I'm trying to figure out what it might be that's so abundant, since there have obviously been a great number of pilgrims. Arch Dragon Eggs aren't very numerous I suppose?
>>47288157
I had assumed they were boulders, but they do look pretty shell-like in that pic. Might be onto something with the eggs.
>>47288157
They look like rocks to me. That shit must be heavy as fuck, no wonder they died.
>>47288157
They've got distinct rims, most clearly seen on the one closest to the camera, so they're probably not just broken from a sphere. They're either natural shells, or carved from something. If it weren't for the chains, I'd think they were just a natural part of the Pilgrim biologybefore they metamorphosize into the Pilgrim Butterflies.Hey, there's wilder theories out there.
>>47287866
Nope.
>>47288234
>Pilgrim Butterflies come from Pilgrims
>just a theory
What's next, the Nameless King is Gwyn's firstborn son or something? Don't make me laugh.
>>47288230
Except Yoel, who is simply too badass to die.
How does the elevator from earthern peak go to the old iron keep
>>47288305
I only covered myself because last time I bought it up with someone they responded with "Fuck off, they come from the hollows turning into trees, retard." on the basis that the wings look kind of like branches.
Which reminds me, I've been wondering if Sulyvhan is related to the pilgrims at all. He also sprouts wings, which every much resemble those of a pilgrim butterfly, and once he does it unlocks his bonus magic abilities, again much like with pilgrim butterflies. I could believe that he's of the same race, but went a different path.
And if you take the Deep and the Abyss to be fundamentally the same thing, or at least strongly related, it'd also make sense for why he was drawn to it as a source for his power via the Church of the Deep, which is theorized to have been twisted and bastardized BY Sulyvhan to seek out and draw from the Deep, whereas before when Aldrich wasn't contained, pacified sludge and actively leading them he was very much against the Deep and sought to survive it rather than harness it.
>>47288157
They're pockmarked in a way that reminds me of sea urchin skeletons.
ill be pretty annoyed if the primordial serpents aren't expanded on in the DLC
also the profaned flame.. in das1 the chaos flame was explained completely yet the profaned flame is just all speculation with very little info
and what is deep exactly, just the the abyss with a cooler name?
>>47288888
>in das1 the chaos flame was explained completely yet the profaned flame is just all speculation with very little info
That's what kinda bugs me about the lore in the games outside 1 and Demon's, those two gave very clear explanations for core shit with lots of room for questions and speculating AROUND them, but so much in 2 and 3 just feels so nebulous.
>>47288939
What was nebulous in DS2 lore?
>>47288305
Wait what happened to Solaire being the first born? I stopped following lore when 2 came out
>>47289283
Solaire was just a realllllllly dedicated Sunbro. Gwyn's firstborn son is the Nameless King, which is the boss of Archdragon Peak.
>>47289283
He was never the firstborn, it was confirmed in an interview, IIRC he was one of the potential contenders early on.
MAN WHAT THE GOOD GODDAMN FUCK IS EITH THE UNTENDED GRAVES
I CLEARED IT AND I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT
JESUS ITS SO CREEPY
>>47289333
It was a pretty solid theory, and made for a nice feel-good story, buddying up with a god stripped of his powers to take down the one who stripped him of those powers. IMO would've been more satisfying than it turning out to be some literal no-one dragonfucker, much as I love his boss fight.
>>47289427
Yeah, it fits so perfectly that I'm quite happy to accept it as a fan-canon, otherwise all that time spent explaining that Solaire's gear is nothing special seems pretty pointless.
On the topic of fan-canon, if the Sunset Knight is some sort of farewell to Solaire it'd make me very happy.
>>47289504
>otherwise all that time spent explaining that Solaire's gear is nothing special seems pretty pointless.
Yeah, that too. They deliberately go out of their way to point out how ordinary his armor is, which is really out of place.
>if the Sunset Knight is some sort of farewell to Solaire it'd make me very happy.
Hodrick? I could believe it by the name. I also feel stupid for only just realizing that his helmet is supposed to be a broken busted Undead Legion helm.
>>47289329
Lame, I missed that whole area because WHO IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW TO USE THE TORSO STONE RIGHT WHERE YOU GET THE DRAGON EMOTE
Confirmed in an interview, you say? Is there anything in the game that supports that or is it just a statement from the devs so people stop speculating?
>>47289566
>>47289333
Fuck I misunderstood, Solaire deconfirmed was the interview statement.
So how do we know that is memeless King?
>>47289577
Nah man the nameless king is actually ornstein dressed in firstborn's clothes after he killed ornstein also his dragon is actually ornstein
>>47289577
Orstein left Anor Londo to find the firstborn, and you find his gear after the fight (though you can get the spear before fighting the king).
>>47289566
I remember it being a statement from Miyazaki himself, just confirming that Gwyn's firstborn doesn't appear in Dark Souls 1.
Unrelated, but I wish they'd kept Andre's original role, made him way more interesting, and would've been a good explanation for why he's still around and doing fine in DS3.
>>47289577
>So how do we know that is memeless King?
>name was stricken from the annals of history
>Nameless King
>gear description all mentions resembling Gwyn
>Swordspear calls him the heir of lightning
Like, it's not even up for reasonable debate, he just is.
>>47286512
Do you think the Emerald Herald was into anal?
>>47289077
Aldia never told us how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie-pop.
>>47288157
>Are they bone, rock, clay?
They're animal shells the londor pilgrim's wear.
They wear those shells so their backs can't be overtaken as "seedbeds" for darkness/abyss.
>>47289687
>try tongue but hole
Has anyone determined if there is anything special about the room in the High Wall you warp to from Firelink Shrine before you light the bonfire? Having restarted the game it seems significant somehow, but I'm not sure how.
>>47289566
>WHO IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW TO USE THE TORSO STONE RIGHT WHERE YOU GET THE DRAGON EMOTE
You could read the tons of messages everywhere, or just have come across it when discussing the game with other people.
>>47290345
It looks like a broken sunbro altar desu. Or at least I get that vibe from it
>>47290345
Got a replica Lordvessel in it, so probably some kind of room of prayer to the old gods.
>>47290360
I'd argue that there's no way to find it organically, on your own, but desu Souls games have always been about shared knowledge, going well beyond the in-game messages.
>>47290574
>I'd argue that there's no way to find it organically, on your own
Somebody must have.
>>47290684
I should've said "very little chance". The average person playing through probably isn't going to make the connection.
>>47290560
With a mini bonfire sword resting on it. Might be a relic of the scrapped bonfire sacrifice mechanic.
>>47290574
I did it on my first run blind about two weeks ago. There was an emote in bloodborne you could use to interact with a defeated boss, using that knowledge it came to me quite quickly. Especially with the text from the stone and all the guys doing the pose turned to some place I hadn't been to, it stood out so I remembered it, and that vista displaying Archdragon Peak from Irathyl.
Then again, I'm a very experienced souls-player.
Whats the lore behind Straid of Olaphis
>>47290961
When I got the gesture I immediately thought of the "Gesture required, therefore Drake ahead" message I saw when I passed by the warp point.
>>47291805
Asked to help some people with his magicks, his magicks were too much for the people, they grew scared of him so they lured him into a trap where he got turned to stone. Probably got lugged around as a statue for a few centuries around different before the Bear Curse freed him.
>>47291805
"Straid was invited to the old kingdom of Olaphis for his wisdom, but its depth was such that people soon feared him, and in the end Straid was led into a dreadful trap.
Straid spent several lifetimes as stone. During this hiatus, kingdoms rose and fell, until the land called Drangleic came to be."
-Black Robe Set
"Straid was an oddly gifted mage, well-versed in both sorceries and pyromancies, but his curious temperament never allowed him to settle down in one place for very long."
-Linering Flame
"Straid, always immersed in magic, never accepted an apprentice.
As a result, much of his extensive knowledge is permanently lost."
-Flame Swath
He's an old strong sorcerer/pyromancer that people feared because he was arrogant and too strong and knew alot of shit about magic, presumebly comming up with or rediscovering some. They turned him to stone because fuck him.
What's the deal with Leonhard?
>>47292189
He likes to party.
>Sirris randomly dies at the end of her quest line
>only thing we're given about this is that she mentions that she can die after Hodrick is killed
???
>>47292036
He's also one of the few (but not only) characters in the game who is neither undead, cursed or unkindled.
>The reason the Watchdogs of Farron invade others is so you can't disturb the rest of the Abyss Watchers and cause them to start fighting again. The Darksign that Undead hold is enough to make them wake up, and since they're mindlessly attacking everything in sight, I think it's safe to say they're hollows
>>47292389
Siegward dies at the end of his too.
These are tired people, people who have lived too long in a world too bleak. Death is a respite, however short that respite might end up being.
>>47292452
Eh, if it was the AW specifically, why can they only invade in the pleasant section and not the swampshit where the AW actually hang out?
>>47292479
Maybe the inner, poisonous part of the swamp was entrusted to the Ghru, because of their affinity for poison and skill at making antidotes?
>>47290961
>Especially with... all the guys doing the pose turned to some place I hadn't been to.
Not to mention the fact that there just happens to be exactly enough space for one more person to sit down and join in.
Miyazaki just emailed me saying DS3 is a prequel to bloodborne
Okay, so I started DS3 and haven't played the other games, and I'm sort of getting about 10% of the lore discussions I see around and things in the game don't make sense but I don't really care because it's fun. The discussion here is assuming a base level of knowledge I don't have and I'm still not getting much. Can anyone break it down for a beginner, or point me to something that does it for me?
>>47292736
finish the game. come back after.
>>47292736
>and haven't played the other games
Watch these. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWLedd0Zw3c5RCXboUsPwHsZJlXB2CzCz
Start with Gwyn and the First Flame, and Gwyn and the Dark. Then watch the rest in whatever order. Then finish DS3. Then come back.
>the boardgame has a Late Pledge option
Oh thank fuck, I was sure I was going to miss out on it, won't have the funds for it until the end of next week.
>>47292820
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWLedd0Zw3c5RCXboUsPwHsZJlXB2CzCz
You're a special kind of evil, aren't you? Kicking a lore noob into that shithole of misinformation, baseless speculation and uncredited stolen content...Patches pls go and stay go
>>47292736
Whatever you do, don't trust VaatiVidya.
>But we're talking true legends with the mettle to link the fire.
I thought any old schmuck of an undead with the skills could link the fire, but Hawkwood seems to imply that linking the fire seems to involve more than just sticking your hand in it
>>47292880
I dislike Vaati as much as the next guy, but for a newbie wanting a relatively quick dive in, it's a decent way to get up to speed. It's mostly solid information.
>>47292924
He'll come out thinking he knows everything and then some, when he's actually spouting complete BS. Basically, he's gonna become another "Queen Lothric is totally Gwynevere I swear" guy.
>>47292751
>>47292820
Sorry, by "I started" I meant "I started playing last week, beat it once already, started a new game and am trying to get the usurpation of fire ending even though I don't really know what the fire that I am usurping is."
>>47292880
Okay, so if those links are no good, do you have any other ones?
>>47292736
>or point me to something that does it for me?
Go watch lore videos on youtube.
Literally just youtube search "Dark Souls lore"; you should get dozens of videos that will provide you with some context.
>>47292885
It implies being a bad enough dude to get to the fire.
It's not about virtue or special circumstance it's, as Hawkwood says, about might.
>>47292885
>I thought any old schmuck of an undead with the skills could link the fire, but Hawkwood seems to imply that linking the fire seems to involve more than just sticking your hand in it
If your soul is too weak to feed the flame you simply become consumed by it without accomplishing much of anything.
Bonfires for instance are powered and kindled by the fresh bones of undead, so it would be more accurate to think that "Any old schmuck of an undead can be used to make a bonfire."
>>47293066
>Literally just youtube search "Dark Souls lore"; you should get dozens of videos that will provide you with some context.
Most of those people have very little idea what they are talking about.
Also whole bunch of DaS1 speculations was later invalidated by canon.
>>47293243
>Most of those people have very little idea what they are talking about.
>Also whole bunch of DaS1 speculations was later invalidated by canon.
That's fine- That's fine for someone who just needs "context".
>>47292977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9x_koRZ2bA
>>47288309
>That feel when you never took Yoel up on his offer and found him dead after killing Wolnir.
Fucking Wolnir.
>>47290860
it's a broken coiled sword, assumedly the rest of the coiled sword that you find a fragment of in untended graves.
>>47292476
His body didn't spawn for me, a shiny blob did, but the body beneath it never spawned.
>>47293458
I wish Wolnir was a good fight. He, Yhorm, and Dancer have the best ambiance of any boss in the game, and only Dancer is anywhere near good mechanically. I get the need to mix things up with different gimmick boss fights, but they had to waste the best music and atmosphere in the game on it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t52zdYCNEc
>>47293458
RaveLord Nito and now VapeNation Wolnir!
I absolutely love it.
>>47295906
>>47293458
>High Lord Wolnir
>High Lord
>Vapes
Fucking kek
>>47289687
>try rear
>>47288309
Except that bitch died as soon as I sent him to Firelink
>>47285501
Poise affects iframes & hyperarmor. Every bit of absorption counts when you trade hits. But please continue to spread misinfo /vg/ came up with to talk people into gimping themselves
I started to win alot more when i switched to drakeblood set. My stats are no different. I can roll away from a darksword before the second hit.
Miyazaki simply doesnt want players to be passive and just stand there, he wants you to fight reactively no matter if youre facing a rat, another player, or a Stray Demon.
Its pretty clear it was Kaathe fucking with Lothric not Frampt. Why else would those scholars convince Lothric not to link the fire?
But really, the angels thing is just a reference to berserk
So, the legendary age of dragons before the age of fire, it's all bullshit isn't it.
>>47289427
>some literal no-one dragonfucker
I think Priscilla his his child, actually, and not Seath and Gwynevere's like everyone seems to assume for no reason I can see.
>>47297157
>& hyperarmor
No, it really doesn't.
>>47289635
What was Andre's original role?
>>47297859
If I was the ruling God, no fucking lizard is going to bang my daughter. I don't care if he's my best buddy.
>>47297337
The game literally shows you non-diagetically that it happened. If you say the Age of Dragons didn't happen you might as well scrap all item descriptions and placement implications and say Picard interfering with the proto-Vulcans from TNG 3x04 "Who Watches the Watchers" caused them to develop a biomechanical world-matrix similar to magic and souls spread around by repurposed Borg nanotech and Frampt and Kaathe are Klingons in disguise.
>>47297912
That's what I'm saying, the Firstborn banged a dragon and made Priscilla. She;s an abomination but she's still Gwyn's blood and he ain't about to just kill her.
>>47297909
He was originally the Firstborn, and had a larger narrative role in DS1, shoving aside a statue at Firelink to let you into the Kiln.
>>47297923
But the plot of DaS was always one great lie, to Shepard us humans to our goal and prevent us from "hollowing" out and ragequitting.
>>47297951
What Oscar and the serpents told you were lies, everything else was basically above-board.
>>47297912
>>47297939
What if Seath was a female dragon all along and really did bang the firstborn, giving birth to Priscilla a few months/years/decades later?
>>47297951
>>47298031
FIRELINK WAS AN INSIDE JOB
>>47297157
>Miyazaki knows how to design games
HAHA, nice one
>>47298031
To be fair, the only thing I would say Frampt flat out lies to you about is that linking the flame will end the undead curse, and even that I could chalk up to it simply being that he might not know better.
Otherwise...Frampt is pretty upfront. "Go here, kill these people, don't worry, they're either insane or have served their purpose.", he doesn't even try and bullshit a reason to kill Nito, just says that he's got no use left living.
>>47298077
I've actually never heard most of either serpents' dialogue, I keep fucking up.
Once I accidentally fell down the hole with the Lordvessel and Frampt was like "harumph I can see you aren;t the chosen undead" and then I went to Kaathe (having beaten 4kids before Anal Rodeo) and he called me a race traitor for working with Frampt.
But seriously, what the fuck is this?
>>47298109
>Race traitor
Kaathe confirmed aryan supremacist. Game was about nazis the whole time.
>>47298152
Probably just a hacker.
>>47298152
DLC hook.
>>47298059
Is this gonna derail into a /v/-tier discussion?
>>47298243
No. I just don't think there was this much thought behind what they did to Poise. More likely, their Sales dept told them that people wanted more Bloodborne, so they made the game more like Bloodborne (faster combat, no Poise, stagger everything, screaming enemies with 10+ hit combos that chase you across half the map) because that's what sells. Not because Miyazaki had some brilliant vision.
>>47297939
The only white dragon we see is seath so priscilla has to be seath's child
But the japanese version doesn't specify seath's gender
Nameless fucked seath
>>47298392
>implying Nameless Twink isn't acuntboy
>>47290574
>>47290860
I did
Never explored Irithyl Dungeon until after I cleared out the Castle, found the dragon dude there and decided to get a cool screenshot with it
next thing i know I'm in dragonland
Bumping with a question:
Mechanics aside, like, forget what is best for pvp and what scales best to get the biggest numbers with the most efficient stat spread, what's your favorite weapon class and then weapon in it in 3?
I'm super torn between spears with the Lothric Knight Long Spear and curved swords with the Carthus Curved Sword.
>>47299965
Swordspear and Astora Greatsword. I know they're both on the powerful end of the spectrum, especially with the AGSs rolling R1 + Leo Ring but I'd like them even if they weren't that. Take away the lightning blast from the swordspear and nerf the AGS and I'd still like them, former for the variety in moveset, latter for being the lightest UGS.
>>47299965
My buddy dropped me the Gargoyle Spear when I was at High Wall and I have been using it ever since
>>47297157
Poise literally does nothing. It is not on. It has a value of zero. Any numbers displayed to you regarding poise are a lie.
Poise is about as in the game as the corpse bonfire mechanic that we were all so intrigued about.
>>47299965
I actually use both those weapons in my setup, but the carthus curved sword is by far my favorite weapon in the game.
>>47300158
I feel the same way about the Dark Sword. I was using it even before I knew about its strength in pvp.
But also the Executioner's Greatsword. It's a brutal looking, but not unwieldy, slab of metal that looks cool and is fun to swing.
>>47299965
Straight swords, and the longsword. I'm just a classic fantasy guy, give me a knight with a sword and shield, and I'm happy.
Fuck caster supremacy, martial all the way.
>>47300796
Dragonslayer spear for the looks and pontiff knight curved sword for the cool looking weapon art.
>>47299965
Astora Greatsword, Zweihander, Hollowslayer Greatsword and Halberd. I love realistic looking Renaissance style weapons.
Could Ludleth be the Chosen Undead?
>>47302201
I mean, my interpretation is that all the Lords of Cinder are reincarnations of each other, the same soul repeating itself each cycle, which is why they all merge into one for the Soul of Cinder, so I'd argue yes in a way, but regardless of my theory, no in a literal sense. They've got no reason to come up with a whole new identity from a land never heard of by the Chosen Undead, and plus CU never saw or used a Transposing Kiln, while Ludleth is experienced with them.
Could Ludleth be the Furtive Pygmy?
>>47302616
And let you burn him for kindling to maintain a fire he wouldn't even care about? Doesn't make sense.
>>47299965
Firelink greatsword. Fucking simple and fun weapon art.
>>47302591
>>47302201
I figure they're all at least related to the chosen Undead? Like, the Abyss Watchers is a reference to PvP players and Aldritch is that whole "Kill everyone for their shit just before starting NG+" and so on.
>>47302866
Is that why Yhorm is the easiest fight in the game? You unceremoniously slaughter the poise build?
>>47303363
>Yhorm
>poise shitter with 40 points in VIT and VIG
>Twin Princes
>co-op butt buddies who keep re-summoning over and over
>>47303409
>>47303363
Mein Gott.
It all makes sense now.
>>47300492
supposedly people finally figured out what poise does in its current configuation.
It reduces the amount of iframes you lose when someone 'hits' you while you're rolling.
So essentially nothing.
>>47305081
You get reduced iFrames when your hit in general, apparently, and the Poise stat is literally just a percentage showing how many iFrames you lose. (That's why poise adds up weird when equipping multiple items - it's multiplicative rather than additive. Like Absorption.)
So if you git gud and never get hit it doesn't matter, and if you get stunlocked it doesn't matter either - the only time it matters is for "escape rolls", when you've already been hit once and you try to roll away from a second hit.
Losing iFrames on rolls also means that you lose distance, by the by, so rolling away to a safe distance can turn into rolling to an unsafe distance.
It doesn't do NOTHING, but it certainly works nothing like how Poise used to work. It's also arguable how useful it actually is. Very arguable, if all this discussion is any indication.
>>47303363
Yhorm threw away his poise-shield to two-hand fuckers in the face, though.
Which one of the extended parry lefts should I use? The dagger is super stylish, but it's not a shield.
>>47305081
>>47305321
People are disputing that it actually does that now too.
>>47305701
Oh? Got any links?
I find this shit pretty fascinating, to be honest. It isn't often that you have people actually try to figure out what the fuck mechanics actually do.
>>47305945
I believe this is what they're talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyxVFmm1dOY
>>47302201
I don't think so, it doesn't seem like FROM to give a customizable character a definitive look/name/sex. At the very least there's no precedent, and what we know of him doesn't match up with what we know of the Chosen Undead.
>>47305420
Target shield is the most stylish after the dagger.
>>47303363
>tfw Yhorm slaughtered Seigward in the 30 seconds it took me to see the shiny item glow, and equip it
>tfw it took me 5 tries to realize the charge on the Storm Ruler stays after dodging etc
Meanwhile, I solo'd the instant transmission homos and SoC on my first try. I also missed the plunge attack on the dragon 4 times.
I may or may not be retarded.
>>47310004
I missed the plunge on the dragon once too. I've never felt more annoyed playing this game other than trying to fight those two Sulyvahn's beasts until I figured out you could lure them out one at a time.
>>47285093
What's up with these statues?
>>47292967
Right, because you're not acting like you everything either.
>>47313177
can someone fix this image? the serpent is not the final stage
it's those statues of the winged man with crowns ans beards
>>47292880
>shithole of misinformation, baseless speculation and uncredited stolen content...
Isn't everything in DS baseless speculation anyway? I mean even the creator said that they purposefully leave holes in the lore to let people speculate.
I mean isn't that the whole point of this thread?
And as far as uncredited stolen content goes its still up in the air for me honestly. With good arguments on both sides, and that damn stupid program that checks for plagiarism is stupid and broken. Had a 90% plagiarism on a paper that I cited sources. I "apparently" didn't cite them correctly. And prof gave it a failing grade and gave me the option to rewrite it for the lowest passing grade.
Two people got over a C on that paper because he apparently didn't teach us the right way to cite our sources correctly.
He got fired a couple years ago for it too.
>>47313932
>sn't everything in DS baseless speculation anyway?
No
>I mean even the creator said that they purposefully leave holes in the lore to let people speculate.
That was a shitty Google translation of an interview where all he said was that gameplay comes first retard.
Just neat DS3 today. Friends are thinking of getting into DS2. Is it any good? I heard it was weird. What's your opinion.
>>47313177
First (left) is from Cathedral of the deep. You can see maggots on him. It looks like maggots zombies and monsters. And a bit like Aldrich skull.
Two in midlle is hard to tell. It either puss of man or pilgrim butterfly morphing. It NOT Corvian (raven people with multiple wings). Statues got hollow face and hands with 1 joint per hand not 2 like corvian.
Last one is serpent who looks like angel.
>>47314261
I think DSII is bad just meme. Only thing I dislike is that nearly all bosses was knights. But it fun game and it got one of the best dlc.
>>47314261
it's a great video game, but drops the ball on a few things as a souls game
get the scholar of the first sin, at the current price it is now, you'll at least have a fun time with it
it was made by a different director, so a lot of lore has been added against the creator's will
>>47314269
First one looks like Enygi. Last looks like Frampt.
>>47313177
>>47313332
>>47314269
the serpent is irrelevant to the series of images, it's apart of it's own set of statues like the melting aldrich one
>>47314293
>Enygi
Dead hugging his waifu. (pic)
>Frampt
More like Darkstalker Kaathe.
>>47314307
They all irrelevant. Only it got in common that its hard to tell who it is. This is only theme why it posted in single image on /v/by me
>>47314340
Given that her corpse shows up in the Demon Ruins I find it very interesting the parallels between her and Rosaria. The speechless female leader angle, Kirk being involved, the maggots / egg carriers. I assume it's just referential call backs.
>>47314411
Maybe reincarnation like with everybody in souls games.
>>47314471
That part of 2 isn't canon. The souls are in NG+ fer Chrissake.
>>47314340
That's not Engyi
The pyromancy tome on the body is wrapped up in pieces of the gold trimmed robes of the Witches of Izalith.
In DS3 does anything change in NG+ in terms of story/quests?
>>47315793
Not as far as I know. There's been a ton of complaints that it's gone backwards from DS2 in that respect.
>>47310004
>tfw you realize if you just draw aggro Siegward does all the work anyway
>>47314585
NG+ is the real game doppelnigger, if it happens in NG+ and not in the base run its the actual event.
>>47315977
I really enjoyed Siegward's questline. It's nice to have an NPC who gets to achieve their goal now and then.
>>47317761
I agree, but if you think about it Sieglinde sort of achieved hers. 2/3 onions aint bad.
>>47286337
fuck code gay-ass
>>47314261
It does some things better than 3 in my opinion, but you can also tell it's a little rushed. It's a great game, even if it's the black sheep of the series.
