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Another pointless debate on who's fault was the Heresy happened in the old bread, someone didn't understand why marines excel at everything, there was a on discussion Moritats, and I got nothing for this summary. Forgive me. Old bread >>47267758
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word bearers a shit
>>47283849
I deem you my battle brother.
>>47283806
Mastodon or Stormbird
Which would you want, and why?
>>47283849
Agreed
>>47283849
>What is Argel Tal
>>47283884
Stormboid. Then I can get some of those Pegasus gothic boxes and make a flying battle church.
>>47283884
I would go with Mastodon, but sometimes flying is better. Why can't I get both and drive the Mastodon on Sunday?
>>47283923
A Word Bear.
>>47283923
A dead guy
Another day, another bread, another night lord. I'm really bad at working with etched brass.
>>47284033
Very nice cheekbones on that guy.
Argel Tal and Vakrah Jal when?
>>47284033
It's better than what I could do.
>>47284208
When FW deems him worthy.
>>47284033
* Wing flapping intensifies*
Is 20 strong assault squad worth it, or should I just make 20 tacticals with close combat weapons?
>>47283924
What are these Pegasus gothic boxes of which you speak?
>Post yfw the new box set comes with a Forgelord, and MkIII
>>47284726
http://pegasushobbies.net/catalog/Gaming/c9/index.html
>>47284783
>Mfw I played a 20,000 point Apoc game on a 12x4 full of that terrain
>>47284812
How'd go?
>>47284763
>>47284763
>new box contents rumored by Ishagu
>Ishagu's only other rumor mention is a hardback SoB codex with plastic models, rumored in January 2015
>>47284836
Fucking awesome. The guy supplying it, bought around 50 Pegasus boxes. Made all the Warhammer Epic buildings 40k scale. He ran the Apoc game at Adepticon this year.
>>47284812
Pics or it didn't happen
>>47284931
Is that the latest rumour? I mean, I've heard rumours some time ago that it'd be about the battle of Phall, so MkIII would most certainly make sense when you consider the parties involved. I'm highly dubious about the kit containing several types of troops as well as a whole new terminator and dread sprues.
>>47284972
>>47284972
There were also 2 Warlords.
>>47284951
Speaking of big plastic buildings, Amera makes a bunch of big, cheap pieces:
http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=z
>>47285014
>>47285045
Guys,I think it may have happened
>>47285045
>>47285089
You think I would do that? Just go on the internet and spread lies?
So I want to make an all terminator army to ally with my normal legion forces. I play World Eaters. If I wanted to make a generic ally army of terminators troops, about 1500pts. Which legions are the best options?
Anyone have any idea?
>>47284988
The latest round of likely bullshit originated from Ishagu. Past rumours about Phall, plastic Assault Marines, plastic Breachers, plastic Rhinos, plastic Spartans etc. were all also from dubious sources.
The only reliable source we have on the new HH box is from Sad Panda with his flawless track record and being first to leak things:
>I wouldn't call it Calth II or a Calth sequal.
>It's a boxed game during the Heresy. There are Space Marines. Similarities end there.
>>47285121
Yeslike how it was the Word Bears that did the Battle of Calth,when we all know that it was the Genestealers
>>47285125
Death Guard has a lot of terminator options, don't they?
>>47285125Space Wolves
>>47285014
>>47285101
This is magical
>>47285125
Justearian spam.
Fast rules question. Are Tyrants Heavy Support? or something else? I am helping a friend with his army list
>>47285014
>>47285101
Those poor Nids.
>>47285548
they are Heavy support, although RAW also allows you pick them as Elites ATM
The Furnace's Heart: It's Assault 1 S6 AP2 Rending 18" Beam .....
Overwatch?
>>47286027
it never needs to roll to hit right? cant make snap shots then so cant OW
>>47285319
You meanheretical?
>>47285316woof?
>>47283806
>>47285511
>Because Astartes, or Iron Warriors specifically, are just as if not more superior to human beings, as well as the mechanicum, in "building" (logistics, coordination, multitasking) as they are superior physically.
We don't need human workers to do everything we have machines for that shit. Does the Imperium not have cranes and bulldozers? Also this once again raises the question of what the hell was the end game for the astartes? The Emperor didn't want them to replace humanity but he apparently didn't want to kill them and he also never let humanity ever do anything meaningful as far as the Great Crusade goes. Were they just supposed to do all jobs forever after conquering the galaxy while regular humans sat around doing nothing?
>Atheism is a religion, Zealots can be Atheist, you can be zealotous with your anti-religion.
Sure, its just pointless.
>Well what legion we're His "Exemplars of War" and carried his own name?
The legion whose best fighter is Lucius "I have lost more duels than I have won" Lucius are his champions? Sorry to tell the Emperor but his champions are fucking awful.
>Good old fashioned backup, the tide of humanity's own monsters to drown the night. Their loyalty was meritocratic brotherhood, arguably more reliable to the Emperor than even Zealous commitment (which tends to u-turn under extreme stress instead of shattering)
Except Angron was never sent to fight those horrible monsters, it is why the Dark Angels were nearly annihilated during the Third Rangdan Xenocide. Angron's battles were mostly
>Hey how do we take this fortress?
>Fuck it just send in the World Eaters, we might as well use them
>>47284763
>>47286656
>Also this once again raises the question of what the hell was the end game for the astartes?
Same shit they do now, quell rebellions and exterminate aliens that get too uppity.
>>47286656
That's like comparing a child building a castle compared to an adult, Dorn and Pert were fucking master artist when it came to building shit and could plan for things even astres couldn't think if. In Angle Exterminatus while they were playing 30k table top Pert was raping with fortifications that all other IW brushed off as useless.
And as for the atheist bit they had the Imperial Truth to hold as their religion. A religion of science.
>>47286766
>Same shit they do now, quell rebellions and exterminate aliens that get too uppity.
And apparently build shit because humans are too lazy to use a crane, and apparently design shit because humans are too dumb to design new weapons and armour, and lead planets because aparently humans are too dumb to lead their own planets.
Plus if the Great Crusade was a success there wouldn't be xenos to kill since the Emperor had outright intended to exterminate them.
>>47286822
>Dorn and Pert were fucking master artist
Building shit isn't an art, it is a science.
EC moritat bro is back.
just painted and shaded the guy, hands too shaky to do highlighting right now.
i need a new lightbox
>>47286835
That is a yes and a no. Member the Interex or whoever they were called. Horus was honestly considering working with them despite a hybrid human/xeno culture. There was distrust for xenos but as long as they knew their place the imperium was willing to work with them.
What are the best places to put apothecaries?
Why doesn't Abbadon have a Paragon blade, what the fuck forgeworld? You gave Loken one, being a traitor is truly suffering.
>>47286862
Terrible bait
>>47286862
Design is art, construction is engineering science
>>47286656
>The legion whose best fighter is Lucius "I have lost more duels than I have won" Lucius are his champions? Sorry to tell the Emperor but his champions are fucking awful
Lucius is just having bad luck. No that's not it. Wait. Cosmic punishment for using the Mega Arachnid limb as a sword. Maybe. Or ya know the writers have in for Lucius who was suppose to be undefeated until that one guy gave him the death that was so pleasurable that Slaanesh gave Lucius the ability he's famous for.
>>47286943
Large tactical squads, terminator squads.
>>47286835
Even if the Emperor conquers the galaxy there is still the Necrons, Tyranid and the Eldar in the webway left to exterminate and that could take millenia as mankind evolves.
>>47286943
Really big units, really expensive units with primus medicae.
>>47286922
Yeah, no. The Imperium's xenocidal nature was based entirely on how, despite the odd exception like the Interex, humanity had encountered no xenos race that wasn't directly, hilariously hostile. The Imperium's stated aim of extermination was pretty fuckin' ironclad in the 30s.
>>47286946
Well a power fist is almost objectively better than a paragon blade
>83% chance of an instant death wound per hit
>16% chance of an instant death wound and 50% chance of a normal wound per hit
A praetor with a paragon blade almost always dies to a praetor with a power fist unless he has eternal warrior.
>>47286963
Or the Emperor's Children are just a shitty legion with no real gimmick because Sigismund and Sevatar have always been mentioned as the best fighters among the astartes.
>>47287016
Still, fists strike so slowly.
>>47287034
>Or the Emperor's Children are just a shitty legion with no real gimmick because Sigismund and Sevatar have always been mentioned as the best fighters among the astartes
In old lore Khârn wrestled his old man until Angron decided he was the good one and took Khârn to the apothecaries.
>>47286984
And humanity has trillions of members. Why not make humans actually do some shit especially if the Emperor's whole spiel was how great humanity was. Apparently humans were just good enough to work in factories and die as meat shields for astartes but not good enough to do anything meaningful.
>>47287077
They do. That's what the IA and SA are for.
>>47286979
I thought terminator squads couldn't have apothecaries. Can't see them on the list in the Apothecary entry.
>>47286868
He's looking real good anon, that head really works
>>47287016
>>47286946
I'd completely agree, if Abaddon had Eternal Warrior. Given his life expectancy it's really depressing to see him get punked by a rival Praetor.
In fact his rules are just generally a bit shit. Captain of the Justaerin, yet has armour that is worthless when run with them. Either has a Bolter or a Power Sword (See- Power Fist is Specialist) as a backup weapon. Nothing fancy or interesting ruleswise.
I'd like to see him dressed up with Eternal Warrior and that Power Sword turned into a Paragon, as a baseline. Would also be nice if he had a rule that granted Justaerin the ability to Sweep again so that his armour isn't fucking worthless.
Could give him a tacticool ability like extending his Teleport attack to *all* Terminators and/or letting them arrive first turn.
I mean this guy is supposed to be the Sigismund/Corswain/Sevatar of his Legion and yet we are given a WS7 Praetor with less attacks and no Paragon. I'd happily accept a points increase if warranted, but Abadoo should be scary.
>>47287061
So yet another legion that even with just word of epicness surpasses the best of the EC. At best Lucius is the fourth best fighter among the astartes assuming he could actually defeat Raldoron and Azkaellon.
>>47287100
Primus Medicae are worth putting into Justaerin/Deathshroud/Firedrake/Butcher blobs, but otherwise correct and Apothecaries cannot terminate.
>>47287092
IA and SA are just backup for the astartes. There is a reason they are called the Solar AUXILIA and not the Solar Army.
>>47287077
Imperial Army. Ring any bells? SA alone made a good quarter of the Army's fighting force and is second only to Marines. By the end of the Crusade, at least by 4e Codex: IG, the Army was taking up the slack that the ever more thinly spread legions couldn't handle and moving to take the offensive rather than mopping up after the Army. The Emperor's whole plan was to have human forces take up the primary fighting force of the Imperium and in time reduce the Marines into a garrison force to slowly fade them away. Many of the legions weren't fans of this and tried to prove that Marines were more than just tools.
>>47287140
They're called the Solar Auxilia because when they set off from Sol, they were the auxiliary troops to the legions. But they were part of the Imperial ARMY.
>>47287128
>Raldoron and Azkaellon.
Knowing how the writers love to make him job I doubt it. I just don't know why. The only victories I know Lucius has is some mega arachnids, Loken at round two, and that chaplain.
>>47286946
>>47287016
>>47287108
Get wrecked, traitors!
Kill for the living!
>>47287179
Which continues the question of what his end game with the marines was.
>Marines were supposed to eventually fade away
Then why give them lifespans easily lasting hundreds of years or being possibly immortal (seriously has any marine actually died of old age)? Sounds like Thunder Warriors would be much better, once the crusade ends just stop making them and they will die off in a few decades.
>Marines were supposed to replace humanity
This is probably the most logical choice as it just makes the emperor a liar which makes sense when 99.999% of his population would be phased out of existence
>Marines were supposed to rule over humanity
This raises the question of why not just doing the second option. If humans are such retards that letting World Eaters and guys like Autek Mor is preferable to letting them rule themselves than why not just replace them with marines?
>>47287340
>Then why give them lifespans easily lasting hundreds of years or being possibly immortal (seriously has any marine actually died of old age)? Sounds like Thunder Warriors would be much better, once the crusade ends just stop making them and they will die off in a few decades
>not having an immortal garrison force with thousands of years worth of experience
>>47287433
>not having an immortal garrison force with thousands of years worth of experience
Because it is pointless and a waste of resources.
>643.M46
>Oh yeah that is our local astartes garrison, they have been defending this fort for sixteen thousand years.
>They have never had combat in that time but hey they only require six times the food of a regular human and extremely expensive weapons and armour.
And even then what of the primarchs. Angron sitting in a fortress twiddling his thumbs for all eternity? Fulgrim making fancy statues and shit to be thrown out of the fortress when they get to many because he is bored as shit?
About the whole Marines-After-the-Crusade thing, they were meant to be tuned into civil leaders and advisors. It's why they were starting to have iterators as mentors. Like turning swords into plow blades suddenly you would have teachers, architects, administrators, and such with thousands of years to learn the profession
The only wrinkle in this canon explanation are legions like the World Eaters and the Night Lords. I believe they would indeed have been culled. Not immediately, as that would certainly cause the legions to rebel, but as soon as Angron or Curze went on killing sprees other legions like the Space Wolves, Luna Wolves, and Blood Angels would probably be sent in to put them down.
Why do you think Perturabo was so afraid of being sent the way of the II and XI after he bombed his homeworld?
>>47287567
>Never had combat
Right because Necrons, Tyranids, and Eldar wouldn't still be a threat. There would still be enemies and rebelling worlds on occasion
>>47287567
It's a big galaxy. Fulgrim can make all the statues he wants, and gift them to every planet he can send them too. As for Angron the Ghoul Stars are fills with abominations so he can go there and murderizie them. Dorn and Pert can build walls, and have checker games at parks like grumpy old men every Tuesday.
>>47287340
>Then why give them lifespans easily lasting hundreds of years or being possibly immortal (seriously has any marine actually died of old age)? Sounds like Thunder Warriors would be much better, once the crusade ends just stop making them and they will die off in a few decades.
You don't conquer a galaxy in a few years. You don't make super tough dudes that can survive for decades of war and grievous wounds, and then have the drop dead of old age, taking all their experience and skill with them. It's also possible their super long age is a byproduct of their abilities, not the primary plan.
Thunder warriors were unstable. Good for a little planetary campaign, not for galactic conquest.
>Marines were supposed to replace humanity
There's no evidence of this. Marines were just tools. The Emperor is there to safeguard humanity, not to rule a race of fucked up super-human mutants. Just like the thunder warriors, Marines were mere tools for him. Also, how do you replace humans with Marines when you can't even birth marines, they're made from humans. You still need human couples producing babies to turn into Marines.
>Marines were supposed to rule over humanity
No evidence of this either. Even Girlyman, when he reformed the Imperium, decreed that Marines are to serve humanity, not rule it. That's why Marines don't have a high lord or any real political power outside of the worlds they rule.
>>47287077
some HH short stories/novellas or even just spin off books focusing on normal army regiments or Mechanicus forces, without any marines during the great crusade would be pretty sweet
>>47287128
He was said to be the best swordsman, that doesn't equal best fighter. He was one of the only astres to spar with his primarch and do an ok job of it. Yeah Loken best him the first time, a headbutt to the face which is the same shit Sevatar did to Swagsmund. And yeah he lost to a RG who could turn invisible, but who wouldn't be found off footed?
>>47287617
Wasn't Fulgrim trying to prove to the Emperor that Marines can be more than mere soldiers? If the whole plan was to make them into civil servants, why was he worried in the first place?
>>47287567
>Because it is pointless and a waste of resources.
Better to have an army of super-soldiers at the ready and not need it than need it and not have it.
>>47287567
Big E didn't expect Angron to live as long as he did before the Heresy. He just tried to get some use out of him.
>>47287782
Exactly! In Horus Rising it's shown that it was already the plan to educate the marines for life in peacetime. I believe Fulgrim was trying to show that you don't need them to run the DMV, they can be artists and musicians as well
>>47287567
Marines themselves are self sufficient, it's their gear that adds up. All they need is a geen seed, which marines themselves make biologically and an apothecary.
>>47287433
UMs were trained to be planetary governers which, surprise, they were great at. Emps didn't even inted to give them that much power at the end of the crusade, only Girlyman and his entire segmentum wanted to put them in power.
>>47286943
Everywhere.
It's a bit funny that the primarchs are to attached to the Marines, rather than the people they're made from. I mean, the primarchs grew up on their planets and all that, so it's not like the Emperor wanted the planets themselves destroyed, just stop making more Marines. Why do you need years of surgery and therapy to make you a killing machine to be an artist or a politician? I understand that the primarchs might have wanted the marines left to have worthy lives, but there's no point in continuing the marines as an institution after the Crusade, if human force have become strong enough to guard the Imperium and purge hostiles.
>>47287940
The legions as a whole would have been phased out, probably into smaller chapters that they are now. But there are tons of reasons to have super men living in your empire.
>>47287980
And a ton of reasons not to have mutants.
>>47287108
>I'd completely agree, if Abaddon had Eternal Warrior.
This. It doesn't matter that a Powerfist Praetor can beat a Paragon Blade Praetor. You take the Paragon Blade so you don't get punked by some no-name sarge with a fist.
>>47288014
Only a couple of chapters could be call mutants bro, and that was in only a few circumstances
>>47287657
>Dorn and Pert can build walls, and have checker games at parks like grumpy old men every Tuesday.
>MY PIECE WILL BUILD SOME TANGLEWIRE
>Perty, for the last time you can't do that in checkers
>MY PIECE. WILL BUILD. SOME TANGLEWIRE.
>[Censored by the agents of Malcador]-DAMMIT, Perturabo THIS GAME DOESN'T HAVE FORTIFICATIONS!
>WHY DO WE PLAY IT THEN?
>Because... because [sigh]
>...
>...
>ARE WE NOT FRIENDS ANYMORE?
>You say that every week
>FUCK YOU
>Plus, that tanglewire is a pointless waste of resources, I would never assault there
>HA, BUT IT FORCES YOUR CHECKERS-PIECES TO ATTACK *HERE* INSTEAD, WHERE I CAN SWING ROUND THESE MACRO-CANNONS AND-
>Pfff, Perty come on, you know me better, I could just unleash the fury of the Phalanx on that piece *there* and-
>WHY DO I LET YOU TAKE THE PHALANX?
>You have a model
>OH, YEAH
And so on
>>47288273
>extra organs
>acid spit
>learn stuff by eating brains
>super-human abilities
>totally not a mutant
>>47287782
I think you forget how much ego there is in the Legions and the Primarchs - many in both categories really didn't like being ruled over by mere humans, which would have happened even if they'd been transformed more gradually into a firefighting/max threat role.
The transition from the War Council to the Council of Terra was just the start, and for individuals who'd known little but war and their own power the shit towards peace and them finding themselves with less power was not one they welcomed
>>47287940
I don't think Ferrus, Pert, Curze, or Genevieve and Eveiveneg were too attached to their homeworlds' people.
>>47287567
It's like you don't realize every single country in the world right now spends more than it "needs" to on military despite not even being at war/trying to conquer other countries/in danger of being invaded.
>>47288320
I can imagine them feeding the birds.
>Perturabo, you're getting twitchy.
>That one bird isn't eating the seeds like the other nine. Is the seeds not good enough for it?
>Maybe the bird just doesn't want to eat.
>>47288405
>I think you forget how much ego there is in the Legions and the Primarchs
Not at all. I'm sure the Legions would have surely wanted to continue existing and recruit more dudes, just like any group. I remember one sketch where some cavemen are making spears, one chipping rocks into pointy rocks and the other tying them to shafts. Then some dude comes along telling them that they're ceasing the production of stone spears, because bronze has been invented and they'll be making bronze tipped spears from now on. So the guy who ties the tips to the shaft is perfectly happy, but the dude who chips the rocks is now out of a job and is objecting to this new fad.
But I'm more interested in why the primarchs would be so tied to their legions. I mean, they can still be generals. Just at the head of non-Marine armies instead of Marines. They lived their whole lives without Marines before the Emperor came knocking. Why can't they go back? I'm sure to an average Marine the legion is all he has ever known (being child soldiers and all), but the primarchs had whole lives before taking the command of their legions. Can't they lead armies of non-Marines? Sure, it's a change, but it's not like the primarchs are married to their legions.
On a scale of pretty cool to pants on head retarded, what do you guys think about me building two Knight Gallants for a Questoris detachment to add to my growing Imperial Fists force? I'm running Sigismund and Templar Brethren so the theme is already fists hitting people with swords.
>>47288412
Ferrus was super attached and proud of them
>>47288367
>get a load of this heretic
>>47288575
>But I'm more interested in why the primarchs would be so tied to their legions.
Literally there own flesh and blood. The space marines were made from their primarchs, they become like their primarchs, and the two complement each other like hand and glove.
So apparently Inferno is going to expand the battle of Prospero a bit and introduce a new twist:Horus sent a full detachment of his Sons alongside the Space Wolves to break Magnus.
So this potentially solves another big plot element, namely why the famously unruly Leman Russ took Horus' word without a second thought, without making him out as a bloodthirsty moron (again).
I personally like this change, though it might be very dependent on exactly how big 'a detachment' actually is.
Link is apparently spam and definitely not found at http://battlebunnies.blogs
pot.co.uk/2016/05/the-vlka-fenryka-are-not-only-legion.html?m=1
>>47287034
>>47287128
EC are not about having one guy that's the super bestest duelist, it's about having dueling as a prominent feature throughout the entire legion.
>>47288913
I don't know if I want or not. I think I do, but what happened to the Sons of Horus? Were they in on the whole becoming slaves to darkness/baldness and replacing every machine with a dinobot, or were they innocent?
>>47284526
I don't know. I really want to know, but I don't. And Mr. Despoilers-are-superior hasn't shown his face around in a few threads.
>>47284851
What's the name of that comic?
>>47288913
That's actually cool as fuck, I'd be alright with that.
Arkhadine Mechanicum, SoS, Custodes, and now the wolves broforce, I think Inferno's going to be one of the best books yet
>>47288810
The Emperor had no problems getting rid of his sons, if he needed. Like I said, they had lived for years without the legions. I don't know how I'd feel if there was a whole army of dudes with my clone liver in them, but "I must treat them like my kin" probably wouldn't be my first thought. Then again, I'm not a purpose built demigod, so who knows.
Maybe next time the Emperor could introduce a failsafe? Like put a bomb into the skulls of the primarchs he can trigger psychically or something. Maybe some genetic weakness into the legions against which he could formulate a virus to target the Marines specifically. Once their gene-seeds turn to liquid, they won't be much of a problem.
>>47288913
>without making him out as a bloodthirsty moron (again)
Booo! I want a bloodthirsty moron, not some dude who's tricked into killing a whole planet and then going "uh-oh, spaghettios!" The Emperor knew what he was doing sending Russ in and Russ knew very wall what his mission was. There's no need to have him tricked into murdering Magnus harder.
>"If you treat with the Warp, Magnus, I shall visit destruction upon you. And your Legion's name will be struck from the Imperial records for all time."
>>47288367
Implants don't equal mutation. If there was a dude that just magically turned into a space marine he'd be considered a mutant though. Post human =still human
>>47289686
Are abhumans mutants or at least considered to be not-human?
>>47289477
Got to remember that the primarch project was a failure, minus perphaps Omegon. They were suppose to be raised on Terra until they were ready, and with Big E with them, they probably wouldn't have turned into look at me daddy cunts.
>>47289751
No they aren't. Shit like ratlings are not considered human, just an excepted variation.
>>47289686
>Post human =still human
The very definition of a posthuman is something that's beyond a human.
>>47289753
>chaos gods don't fuck with the primarch project
>instead of "please look at me daddy!"
>it's "ugh, you are so embarrassing dad!"
>and "i'm old enough to make my own decisions!"
>and "let me live my life ugh!"
And then the fucking Heresy happens anyway.
>>47289800
Transhuman*
>>47289816
I think it was First Heretic when Argel Tal went back in time and ended up scattering the primarchs over the galaxy, which set the whole thing in motion. If that event didn't happen there would be no heresy, the fact that the chaos gods had to scatter them with time travel shenanigans proved it.
>>47289822
Transhumans are also beyond regular humans, but still have some human qualities about them. As the name implies, they're the transition from human to posthuman.
>>47288913
Wait, what? Why didn't magnus get really pissy about the heresy and get mad at other chaos marines instead of wolves?
Thousand sons should have hatred for black legion then since they were the alpha and omega for fucking them up
>>47289778
If having organs that make you a better fighter makes you an abhuman, how do Marines get to call themselves just humans with some organs? Even clones with some tinkering are thrown in with abhumans.
>>47288014
I think an Emperor designed human will have a bit more leeway with acceptance than an ogryn
>>47288473
>>That one bird isn't eating the seeds like the other nine. Is the seeds not good enough for it?
No, it is the bird that is wrong.
>decimate 1/10 of the birds
>>47287940
Mortarion loves Barbarus so much he almost doesn't even recruit from any other planet. Yes, he didn't un-poisoned it, but he had his reasons (struggle makes them stronger, and they were Catachan-happy with that arrangement).
In turn, Barbarans idolized him almost as much as regular imperial citizens idolize the Emperor in 40k.
>>47290211
Hopefully the local bird population won't suffer too much.
>>47290047
>Comparing the gene-works of afficionates with the work of the Emperor.
>Complaining about why random enhanced dudes aren't the same as space marines
mfw
With the rumors of a new edition of 40k coming out this year that streamlines everything even more, who thinks FW will just release their own standalone rules for HH or do you think they're going to just do v2 versions of their books like they do for Imperial Armour?
>>47290318
I pray for standalone.
>>47290292
Go home, Lorgar, you're drunk.
>>47290318
What, you don't want Age of Horus?
Trying to think of a way to get a bloody handprint one of my tac's breastplates. Not too good at freehand, any thoughts?
>>47283651
>Astartes aren't meant to replace humans but they are better than them at everything
>I totally don't intend to wipe out the astartes that are better than humans at everything despite the fact that I claim that this crusade was for regular humans and I did the same exact thing to thunder warriors
He is entitled to wipe out His marines is He so wishes it ("we would take His mailed fist to the face if it meant our Lord walked among us again!"), but I doubt He'd do it, considering space marines were so many and more stable than the old Thunder Warriors. Humanity will always have an use for immortal champions, as opposed to ephemeral man-weapons. Space marines were means to an end, and if they couldn't find a place in a post-crusade mankind, like how Guilliman proposes it, then they would have had to go.
>I don't want you to follow religion even though I designed a primarch to be obsessed with religion
Wrong. He designed Lorgar to be obsessed with an ideal, to be His Crusader "Emperor Vult"-ing his way across the galaxy, spreading the Imperial Truth and destroying the myriad of chaos cults out there (like the one on Colchis, ironically). But Chaos got him first. Emps thought He was going to be able to set His children down their intended paths, but Chaos scattered them because It knew that if Emp's plan succeded, Chaos was screwed.
>And yet despite the fact that the Emperor claimed his crusade was for humanity he made pretty much zero use of those extraordinary humans outside of shitty auxiliaries and making art about how great the astartes are.
Nigga plz. Who do you think Malcador was? What do you think the founding members of the Assassinorum and Inquisition were? If not for them, mankind would have been utterly enslaved by chaos way before 40k. Regular humans were there (like MaSade), it's just that the spotlight was on the marines. You think Emps solved the geneseed problem? It was Grabiya.Srry for the late response, my phone died
>>47290517
The FW transfer sheet has bloody hands. It'd probably be better if you just practiced freehanding though.
I have never seen a FW staff army do it, I have never seen an official artwork do it, I have never seen the HH rulebook artwork do it, I have never heard of it being explicitly done in the lore.
So are different Terminator suits able to mix parts and be compatible?
I know in 40k old suits have to be repaired, but I've never heard of Terminator being mixed like power armor. And how would this affect the 30k rules? Base the model off the body type? Indomitus with Cataphractii arms counts as a regular Terminator? What if he's Tartaros torso and Cataphractii legs? Is he a Tartaros or a Cataphractii legionnaire?
Anybody else here ally Questoris Knights to their Legion? What Legion do you play and what Knights do you bring? I'd love to hear suggestions.
>>47290615
If you're going to mix and match your terminators bits you'll want to tell your opponent what you're using them as before you start the game.
>>47288913
I'd rather just have Russ have to acknowledge being wrong instead of adding MORE goddamn deus ex bullshit to preserve his mary sue virginity
They made the Porphyron too big. It looks so cute it would make a great model as a regular knight size or the original in-between GW knight and FW knight size.
Now it's a Warhound and will probably cost about as much...
>>47290615
All of the suits are quite different and FW fluff would indicate some were created in different place around the same time, so they might have not been intended to even work with one another. Even with power armour the older marks aren't very compatible with newer ones. There's an image of one MkIII suit with a MkIV arm and shoulder pad, and the text says such is quite difficult to do and needs a skiller mechanic. Later power armour marks were made with modularity in mind and thus they're easier to mix and match.
Cataphractii, tartaros and indomitus are very different from one another. I'd say tartaros and indomitus are probably most like each other, but even then I doubt their parts would go well with one another. Personally I did make a forge lord conversion that used different terminator parts and other conversion bits with the aim of him having his own custom suit fitted to his needs, rather than just modifying an existing suit.
>>47290730
I have a couple mixes from 40k with Tartaros and Indomitus before 30k came out, but luckily I didn't mess around with 30k mixes because they gave special rules to Cataphractii.
If I give the sergeant a full suit do you think anyone would have a problem with me saying Squad X is Tartaros if some of the members have non-Tartaros parts on them?
>>47290615
Speaking of terminator bits, I've seen some people use indomitus arms on tartaros bodies, but do tartaros shoulder pads go on indomitus arms?
>>47290768
I doubt anyone will care as long as you declare before you start.
>>47290749
Yeah I feel that way too, just wanted to know if anyone saw official mixes before.
>>47283651
>Probably building defences is a science not an art, anything Dorn could do a human could do too.
The Primarchs also excelled at science. Ferrus was inventing new shit most of his time, Perty did something similar. Their intellect rivaled even the AdMech's, and those are 200+ years old half men/half supercomputers. Perty could break stuff better than the Reductor. Even Fulgrim saved his whole homeworld from starvation through his inventions and production science in his 20's, self taught. If the Emperor asked Dorn to design the palace, it was because he was the best one at doing fortresses in the galaxy.
>So they were super atheist?
Yep
>What the fuck is the point of that? Just tell them to fuck off with religion and murder them later if they refuse.
That's exactly what they did. Read their Antarctic Exemplary battle. It didn't help that most of the times people said "Nah", so they became good at torching books (along with the people that read them). The Ashen Circle is technically a Destroyer unit, meant to erase the cultural identity of whole worlds.
>>47286656
>>Atheism is a religion, Zealots can be Atheist, you can be zealotous with your anti-religion.
>Sure, its just pointless.
It would have a point if it turned out that religion was creating hungering thought-daemons. No religion (in the warhammer setting) would have made people get into science and the AdMech would have become redundant and replaceable, besides the whole starving-chaos-nobody-needs-the-warp thing.
"Yeah, I was using you guys with the whole 'I'm the Omnissiah' thing. Down the Thunder drain you go, along with the navigators. We Webway now".
>Except Angron was never sent to fight those horrible monsters, it's why the DA were nearly annihilated during the Third Rangdan Xenocide.
Not only the DA were sent, the DG was too, and I'd say all available forces were mustered, but that's unconfirmed. Interestingly, the ones we know weren't there were the UM, legion-building, probably.
>>47290769
They fit but it looks weird. Also it won't fit without some modification if you want BOTH pads on Indomitus, because the Tartaros shoulder is naturally slimmer while the Indomitus has its inner shoulder sculpted on making it look like it has bulkier shoulders.
TYPHONS
NEED
PHOSPHEX
>>47290888
Never imagined Khorned liked phosphex. It boils the blood away.
>>47290855
Well no, not BOTH, the indomitus shoulder pretty much has this on it already.
>They fit but it looks weird.
Got examples?
>>47284033
Great helmet paint. I might copy it for my Space Sharks since painting the whole bulldog faceplate white makes them look really big-headed.
I've done the "paint a slimmer jawline" technique on some Mk IVs and Mk VIIs, don't know why I never tried doing it to the Mk Vs.
>>47285125
>>47285265
Ally the DG!
Terminator Praetor with Death Guard retinue, scoring
Death Guard as Elites
Grave Wardens as Heavy support, also scoring
(could you take PotL with them and bring Deathshroud as troops?)
But the Iron Warriors are their only Sworn Brothers, and have the dakka you may need, dunno.
>>47291050
Why is the Imperial Army sworn brothers with the Aloha Legion, but the Ahola Legion isn't sworn brothers with them?
>>47288913
>So this potentially solves another big plot element, namely why the famously unruly Leman Russ took Horus' word without a second thought, without making him out as a bloodthirsty moron (again).
Because he is a bloodthirsty moron, just not angron tier. I personally prefer to add both old and new fluff, Leman Russ wanted to kill Magnus from the start so he accepted Horus order unquestioningly and disregarded that the Emperor wanted him on Terra.
>>47283980
Killed by a Word Bearer btw...
>>47291124
In the Aloha's case it's because all their allies are actually sleeper agents.
FW said their made-up-with-the-ass allies table was meant to represent legions calling other legions friends, but secretly not being so. It's in the FAQ. The result is an asymmetrical table that DG has no idea how to use, because Crysos can infiltrate sworn brothers, but SoH's have Bitter Pride, and NL consider the DG as their Sworn brothers, but the DG doesn't share the feelings, so it's not reciprocal.
It's a mess.
So when 40k gets Sigmar'd this fall what will happen to HH?
Personally I think FW will continue to use the traditional system as theyre way too invested in it at this point with all the heresy black books
>>47290552
Eh, if it looks bad I can just put more blood over it
>>47291282
The books will probably just say "An expansion to Warhammer 40,000 7th Ed." and never move past that in terms of editions.
>>47283980
>>47291220
Lucius died, but not really
Kharn died, but not really
Loken died, but not really
Vulkan died, but n̶o̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y LIVES!
Emps died, but not really.
Torgaddon died, but returned, kinda.
Why does Argel must be the only one who stays dead for good?Along with Curze :^)
>>47291241
Okay but why are the Sons and Guard distrusted allies with the UMs?
>>47291369
>Allies table
>Made with the ass
I was going to say they didn't trust people building their own imperiums, but it says the UM and DA were Fellow Warriors. I honestly didn't think the RG would be friends with wolves, even with the whole "Russ stops a fistfight between Perty and Corax" thing. But I saw a pic of a wolf with a raven bro once, so maybe it goes.
>>47291346
Because renting out your body for a daemon is wrong and he should feel bad.
>>47291436
>>Made with the ass
I should have listened the first time.
>I honestly didn't think the RG would be friends with wolves, even with the whole "Russ stops a fistfight between Perty and Corax" thing. But I saw a pic of a wolf with a raven bro once, so maybe it goes.
Same here.
>>47289992
I don't know. They should be, given Magnus is aware of them conspiring to fuck them up. Maybe he liked being Tzeench-cucked.
>>47291508
>will be dust
>Rubric of Ahriman intensifies
What happened to Perturabo's Iron Circle? Did he scrap them to build trains or something?
>>47291855
They're probably destroyed during the Siege or they're still around.
>>47291855
>>47291913
Due to this whole Horus Heresy thing I'd expect a new version of the chaos codex to include the traitor version of chapter tactics. But hope is the first step down the road of dissapointment.
>>47290231
Mortarion loved Barbarus so much that when he got a daemonworld he turned it into a replica of Barbarus.
It was so saccharine it made Typhon vomit and leave forever.
>>47291948
Anon, the Chaos Gods love raisins too much to let you have nice things.
>>47291436
Odin had two ravens that told him what was going on in the world, so it wouldn't be weird for Russ and Corax to be bros. Then again they have very different styles of warfare and that connection is tenuous at best.
>>47292207
I'm aware the valkyries rode on wolves and used ravens to comunicate with Odin. Still, the Raven Guard was characterized by being stealthy while the SW were noted by being overly loud. So quiet were the Ravens that many people didn't like them because they saw it as rude. And wasn't until Shrike became chapter master that the Ravens proposed to become friendlier (as in more talkative; Shrike was already seen as a savior of the indefense)?
Those ravens were Huginn and Muginn, btwAge of Mythology helps
>>47291984
>It was so saccharine it made Typhon vomit and leave forever.
Good riddance Typhon is the biggest asshole in the Heresy.
>>47292294
I actually only know about the ravens because of Manowar. Funny what weird things can teach you. But yes, the viking connection is straining it and only makes sense out of universe.
>>47287212
>>47287128
Lucius fought Azkaellon in a duel. Az howed up with 5 Sanguinary Guard as his entourage and Lucius with ~2k EC in classic Lucius style.
The duel was to first blood and ended when Az decided that he didn't really care about the duel and that to actually defeat Lucius he had to hurt his pride (Az had already lost his sword at that point, it was a character moment where the controlled and disciplined Azaellon was feeling the rage that his brother Amit struggles with), so he decides to tackle Lucius off this dueling platform they're on and into the ocean. Lucius ends up drawing first blood but Azkaellon basically won anyway because all the EC were laughing at Lucius because he let himself get tackled into the ocean like a jobber.
So technically Lucius did defeat Azkaellon but it comes with a big throbbing asterisk.
On a related note, in the same book Amit the Flesh Tearer defeats Kharn.
>>47292322
Seconding this. He is like a reverse Cruze. Instead of a Primarch that hates his legion he is a Legionary who hates his Primarch.
>>47292499
FUCKING WITCHBLOOOOOOOOOODS!!!
http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-vlka-fenryka-are-not-only-legion.html?m=1
Tl;Dr sons of horus accompanied the yiffs to Prospero for book burning
>>47292567
Derp somebody beat me to it
>>47292530
Eh, ya Morty wasn't on the psyker band wagon but considering how HH1 goes on an on about how the legion was the instrument of his will and how he was greater than the Emperor in the eyes of his legionaries from Barbarus it really sticks out.
How did Typhon get so much influence when up to Istavan III most of the legion thought he walked on water and Typhon embarrasses himself every time he shows up to that point (Its his fault the Einstein was able to get away)?
>>47292666
Satan, he wanted to prove himself. He put a lot of effort to get to his position.
>>47292468
Why is Lucius suffering so much?
So I started Solar Auxilia, I just need to get a sword to put into that gauntlet and a cloak to distinguish him more form the line infantry.
>>47292825
I like that grey, but I'm unsure if that yellow needs to be darker or brighter.
>>47292761
He likes dick and he also is one.
>>47292842
My camera is just really shitty, it is Runefang Steel for the armor, Averland Sunset and and Cygnar Blue for the Void Suit.
>>47292761
They're in on the joke
Do your worst, /hhg/
>>47293224
>>47292761
Because he's a fucking tool during the Heresy and gets rekt on a number of occasions. Post Heresy he dies in some random gladiator arena but gets trolled/gifted with immortality by Slaanesh.
Ten thousand years later he still thinks he's the greatest fucking swordsman in the universe, his vanity and arrogance feeding the Dickqueen for eternity.
The cosmic joke is on him and he doesn't even realize it.
>he's absolute shit in TT too
>but that's no surprise given GW's hate boner for CSM
I don't know why we are hating on Lucius when it's BL's fault for inventing new characters that have to be "empowered" by defeating Lucius, like pic related. If anything, Lucius is simply another victim of the worf effect.
>>47293575
>see filename
>literally who?
>he's actually pretty qt
...I
>>47293687
Fucking moron
>>47293538
I thought he got that immortality during the Heresy.
>>47293884
What?
FW website is down for maintenance. Don't remember that happening before. How will I blow my graduation gift on overpriced resin now?
>>47294335
Tactical assault moon inbound, or GW is taking over the HH and injecting all the problems 40k has and then some in it. Those are some of the only reasons I can think of it going down.
>>47292946
Just shoot under and behind a lamp, and use a medium gray background instead of white.
When you take Sigismund and he makes Templar Brethren troops...does that mean compulsory troops, as in I can take two squads of them and meet the troops requirement?
>>47294335
You won't, you're going to blow it on booze like a normal human being.
>>47294767
Yes, if it doesnt specify that theyre non-compulsory then assume they can fulfill the troop requirements.
>>47295158
Thanks, also what's the best delivery system if I want to take two squads of Templar Brethren? Taking two Land Raiders feels kinda overkill.
Spoonfeed me on orks in the horus heresy
>>47295512
Same shit but bigger.
>>47295378
How big are the squads? From my experience when thowing TB against their intended targets any more than 5 isnt really needed.
>>47295512
Exist to be exterminated, just like in 40k
>>47295529
that's actually my thought. I'm getting into 30k and just got my first Templar Brethren upgrade set and I realized...I only really need squads of 5, more than that is overkill. So how do you deliver those 5 man squads? LRs?
>>47295625
I'm actually on the receiving end of Templars a lot. Land Raiders are a good choice, with ceramite they can really bear down on the enemy. Having a couple squads is a little bit of a bloat but they definitely aren't bad.
>>47295726
also I'm really just getting started and building all my guys at the moment, how mandatory would you say Vexillas are for 10 man squads? I'm building up 2 squads of Vet Tacticals in Rhinos and I'm guessing they're nice for when the Rhinos pop.
>>47295817
I would say mandatory for a squad like vets. It's saved me games a couple times, stopping them from breaking at a crucial time. Vets can hit pretty hard in combat too if it comes down to it, 4 attacks a piece on the charge isnt nothing. As a Fist player you should also look into getting some breachers with apothecaries
>>47295849
I'm holding out on those rumors about plastic Breachers coming out sometime year, because I would absolutely love to run a Stone Gauntlet. Until then I'm running Templar Brethren and Vet Tacticals...normal Tacticals when I finish building my Knights for a Questoris Knight detachment (I'm the guy who keeps bugging everybody about whether I should take two Gallants in a Templar army, whoops)
>>47295958
Do it, double gallant would be swag.
>>47295971
That's my thinking. They'd be like giant robot versions of Swagismund.
>>47295971
Sorry I'm still up and bored as fuck, would you run Tactical and Veteran Sergeants with just artificer armor, or do you think it's worth dishing out the extra points for a power fist?
>>47292567
Literally one of the most retarded decisions Bligh's made yet in terms of fluff, which is saying something. I don't love the Wolves but it still diminishes from their single 'victory' in the Heresy, while it makes my own Legion look even more retarded for later joining up with the Sons.
>Play EC
>Friend plays Wolves
>Mfw Russ model
T..they wouldnt make Russ a better duelist than Fulgrim, right?
>>47296596
I would give them fists but if your list needs some trimming theyre one of the first things on the chopping block
>>47296658
Yeah I'm trying to make an 1850 point list first to go against the 40k players at my store, but once I meet more people playing 30k I'll be doing a 2500 Imperial Fist list with Questoris allies. I'm excited to be playing 30k without having to buy a Spartan, Venator, or Typhon tank. I feel like I'm cheating.
Had the afternoon off work so started on some Word Bearers vehicles for a small force I am doing on the side between painting my NL and Dark Mech forces. They need another red coat and a wash but you get the idea
>>47295512
Bigger, better and more brutal cunning.
>>47296821
It's coming along nicely!
>>47293538
>he's absolute shit in TT too
TT?
>>47292567
>SoH
>at Prospero
WHAAAAAAAAAAT? That's pretty weird.
>>47291855
they beep-booped themselves into oblivion
>>47296695
Good luck against 40k players
>>47297004
table-top
>>47292567
>http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-vlka-fenryka-are-not-only-legion.html?m=1
No biggy.
FW is not canon.
>>47297178
Oh, cheers.
>>47292567
"the Horus Heresy Novel series are told from the perspective of Rememberencers and what they have gleamed from a conflict, recited over millennia, something which BL have said several times too)".
The fuck? This is guy is lying through his death.
>>47296628
Knew it. The Anti-wolf guy who starts Leman Russ threads daily is a Thousand Sons fag.
You deserve to have your Legion made more of fools than they are.
>>47289992
>Thousand sons should have hatred for black legion then since they were the alpha and omega for fucking them up
The Sons of Horus died at the hands of Emperor's Children. The Black Legion is something else.
Read the Talon of Horus.
The Wolves are still Wolves.
>>47292567
>Emperor says if Magnus fucks with the warp, he'll fuck Magnus up good and wipe his legion from the pages of history
>Magnus fucks with the warp
>Time for Russ to do what he does best
>lol, nope
>insert Horus in there to make Russ less of a murder boner hobo stabber and just a retard that got duped into doing what he wasn't suppose to
>>47297447
>just a retard that got duped into doing what he wasn't suppose to
If Russ was duped, then so did the Emperor. Considering that he refused to believe Magnus's warning.
Also Russ tried to take Magnus back alive. Tzeentch's machinations prevented that from happening coupled with Magnus's desire to die a martyr. It's like you didn't even read the two novels.
>>‘Magnus, Magnus, Crimson King, brother of mine,’ he said. ‘I know you can hear me. You planted this instrument, this poor unwilling fellow, Ibn Rustah, you planted him among us so you could learn our secrets. Guess what? We’re as smart as you. Smarter, perhaps. We saw your spy for what he was, and we made no effort to remove him. We kept him with us so we could look back at you, Magnus. So we could learn your secrets. An eye can look out and it can look in. You should know that, you who look deeper than most.’
>‘I’ve got nothing to hide from you, Magnus. Nothing. You know how I work. My enemies should know what’s coming to greet them. It fixes them in the right mental place to be annihilated. I don’t like to hide my strengths or my approach. I’d rather my foe knows the full, unimaginable fury that is about to descend upon him.’
>‘That’s not why I’m talking to you now. I’m talking to you because I hope you’ll listen. I’m talking to you as the personal courtesy extended from one brother to another. What is about to happen should not be happening. You know I do not want this. You know it tears my heart to commit against you, and it breaks the very soul of our father to place his sons in opposition. But you have done this. You have brought this. You have brought this action.’
>>47297470
How is attempting to nuke ticza considered attempting to take him alive?apparently yiffs cannot send valdor down to ask nicely first.
Just accept that Russ didnt put serious effort in doing it proper. He hated magnus for exposing his massive hypocracy on both genetic stability and the use of the warp.
>>47297518
>‘We gave you every chance, Magnus. We indulged your learning, we gave you room to explore. When we became fearful of where those explorations were leading you, and how they might endanger everything we value, we told you of our concerns. The Council at Nikaea, that was supposed to be a moment of reconciliation. You swore you would renounce the cunning arts. You swore! You swore you would abide by our father’s ruling!’
>‘You did not. You have proved your intent to ignore the Ruling of Nikaea beyond all doubt. So this is on you. You must have known our father’s hands would be tied. He would have no other option than to turn to me to issue sanction.’
>‘This is a courtesy, then. From brother to brother. A grace period I would extend to no other enemy. Settle your affairs. Evacuate the civilians from your cities. Deactivate your defence systems. Bring yourself and your Thousand Sons out into the open, and prepare to surrender to me upon my arrival. Please, Magnus. The Wolves of Fenris have been unleashed upon you. Only you have the power to make the consequences bloodless.’
>‘Please, Magnus. Please.’
Years after this novel was released and people still try hard to make Russ the bad guy.
>>47297527
I accept that you haven't read the novels for fear that they might shatter your bias.
The breakdown in communication between the two legions that led to them blooding each other is attributed to the daemonic and Tzeentchian shenanigans that plagued both sides in the whole thing. Shenanigans Magnus summoned himself.
Also the Wulfen is not Chaos related. It's a immunity response from the Wolf geneseed to sorcery and chaos corruption. The Flesh Change is Chaos related given the fact that Tzeentch apparently has its on and off switch and also is glimpsed in the pain addled minds of those suffering from it.
There is also another thing.
Tzeentch showed Magnus the future show he get arrested by the Wolves.
>>47296656
Hopefully not!
>>47297635
His body will be sacrificed to the Golden Throne to endless pain and decay.
Perhaps this is why he choose to die rather get captured. Selfish prick.
>>47297470
You're right, I didn't. Because fuck the HH series right in the dick hole.
In the old fluff the Emperor said that if Magnus messed with the warp he'd kill him and his legion hard. So once he messed with it, it's only natural he and his legion got to pay for it.
>>47297678
>t's only natural he and his legion got to pay for it.
Then who would sit of the Golden Throne while the Emperor led humanity in the final battle and battled Horus? This would have been punishment enough.
Old fluff a shit. Russ did nothing wrong except being dragged into the mess that Magnus made.
>>47297575
Its the most minimal of minimum resolve of trying to get it done without bloodshed.
Its akin to customs and revenue impounding all your assets because Royal mail lost your first invitation to do your tax return. Its technically legal, yet you are considered an utter dick when you do it. The measure is in no way proportional to the fuckup.
Even with the gravity of the situation, or more precise, because of it, any other legion would not rely on astropaths for this.
Heck, he could have put 6 custodes on a skiff with a note and magnus would have come along willingly.
Russ had no interest in making nice, and his supposedly noble warning is done with the utter minimum of effort and merely intended to appease procedural fetishists then it was to resolve the situation without bloodshed.
Especially when you consider that astropaths are inherently unreliable and chances are it would not arrive in a timely fashion. Hence my view is, even from the yiffs perspective, russ is a retard and a spiteful twat for allowing his personal feeling prevent him from solving the matter in the most efficient way possible
>It's a russ v magnus shitfight episode
Goddamn, i thought we had enough primarchfights with dorn/perty
>>47297720
No communication came from Magnus and the Thousand Sons. The Wolves landed on the planet and what did they see? >>47297635
>>47297656
Mutation and sorcery going a muck as Tzeentch turned the Flesh Change switch on.
What are the Wolves suppose to do when their worst fears were confirmed? Magnus and his Legion fell to the powers of the Warp.
>>47297742
>Magnus was a bastard. Magnus was a liar. Magnus would look you in the eye and lecture you while he blundered through the immaterium like a raging konungur. Hel, we always knew more than him- what to touch, what not. Our bone-rattlers knew more than him, There's intelligence, and there's hubris. I don't grieve for Magnus, not for a second
-The Wolf King
It will never end.
>>47297718
>Old fluff a shit.
You're right, a bunch of retards with daddy issues created by a dime a dozen immortal Chaos worshiper retarding up the galaxy is way better.
>Russ did nothing wrong except being dragged into the mess that Magnus made.
Except now he's a retard who ignored the orders the Emperor gave him and instead listened to Horus.
>>47290211
>decimate 1/10 of the birds
>kill 1 in every 100
I think you need to revisit your dictionary
>>47297808
>instead listened to Horus.
Who was the Warmaster and spoke with the authority of the Emperor. Even after being ordered by Horus to kill Magnus, Russ begs Magus to surrender because he loves his brother (>>47297539).
Circumstances screwed Russ. Magnus screwed himself.
>>47297842
When the king gives you a direct order, you don't listen to the general giving you conflicting orders, even if he's the king's favored general. Your first order trumps all other orders in authority.
Why do you think Land Raiders are still SM only? The Emperor gave an order and even if the High Lords are there to exercise His will and various primarchs survived the Heresy, none of them could refute this order. So Russ just ignoring the Emperor's order and going with Horus makes him a retard. I'll take a murder boner Russ over a retard Russ any day of the week.
>>47297754
When tgey arrived in system they saw nothing that suggested an organized defence. No fleet and powered down orbital platforms. Oh and a freighter preparing to jump out.
literally nothing gave indication that Magnus was planning to resist arrest. Russ could have put Valdor and 3 friends on a frigate to pick Magnus up. (the same Valdor who had the authority to countermand Horus' orders.)
Instead the yiff king, trying his hardest to resolve the issue peacefully as some yifffags claim, decides the proper course is by nuking Ticza from orbit.
>>47290738
This
