What's your opinion on kobolds?
Interesting creatures. I hate /tg/ trying to sexualize them though.
>>47233104
Where do you think you are, OP?
I use them instead of gnomes in my games.
>>47233104
I think they're neat but if I'm going to be entirely honest I'd kind of like another small lizardfolk race that can get away from the "usually Evil" baggage.
>>47233104
inferior to the cuter bug people
I don't know what this shit is called but the anime, furry, cutesy Kobolds enrage my grognard sensibilities.
Kobolds are monsters to be slaughtered.
>>47233104
Low level fodder should not be immune to slides.
And OP? That's a Dragonborn.
>>47233104
Probably the one concept that has changed so severly from their folklore origin that I wonder if I should be upset about the falsification of information or be fascinated by the creativity of people.
Apart from that they give me nothing, meaning I'm indifferent about them as a general character race.
>>47233112
>Implying sexualisation is bad
>Implying that ensuing comic where kobold thief gets her cloaca stuffed by human boss and alligator thug twins isn't one of the best things to grace the internet
>>47233104
I'd fuck that kobold, but that's not saying much. I think my standards are lower now than they were when I was in the middle of puberty.
>>47233319
You might need to go outside one day so you can inevitably get someone to punch the fuck out of your face.
They're not sexualized, and they're wicked and vicious things, like tiny raptor that swarm and eat you alive. They're born from the corrupting breath or blood or a dragon suffusing ore.
>>47233351
Joke's on you I was already bullied and beaten in high school and its done nothing but strengthen my resolve.
>>47233263
Kobolds are cuties to be loved.
>>47233368
I can see why.
>>47233405
But can you also see how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie-pop?
Checkmate, faggot.
>>47233319
>one of the best things to grace the internet
it really isn't, the art quality was sub-par and the plot was not much to speak of either
>>47233104
Their skin makes nice luggage.
I use them instead of dragonborn, with shark and pangolin variants included.
>>47233104
Gross furry shit that degenerates on /tg/ yiff to constantly.
I wish I had more dog-like version of this. It's otherwise perfect for one of my favorite NPCs.
>>47233104
I think they've gone from a joke race to a disguise for people with twink, shotacon/lolicon, furry and other fetishes to 'legitimize' their character concept in media or games they participate in.
Also on the same level of disguising waste of space that K-On and other 'cute X doing cute things' genre of Anime occupies.
Finally, they continue the trend of providing a small counterpart to 'morally ambiguous race you can stab for loot'. Orcs and Goblins, Kobolds and Dragons,Halflings and Humans, etc etc.
>>47234398
>disgusting*
On the other end of the spectrum, you have the 'srs bsns' kobold faggot who tries to make them hardcore, tacticool, or veer straight into Edgy so you will take them seriously. This its own brand of retarded.
At the end of the day I don't see a purpose for them in my own fiction and I don't keep with friends who default to 'cute child-like race' as their first pick every game.
>>47233104
Lovely critters who deserve love and sexualization.
>>47234453
I'd rather see lizardmen or dragonborn types with a developed culture and naming scheme that isn't fucking 'lizardmen' or 'scaliefolk' or whatever to comfort your pleb brains.
>>47233636
>Sharkbold
Is this a new thing now or are we still in the same kind of hell.
>>47233104
Don't careunless they're robots.
>>47234492
it's just manlet shark anthros.
>>47233104
I hit it with my axe
>>47234579
So hell. Ok.
>>47233104
tasty snacks
>>47234646
i mean kobolds are just manlet lizard/dragon anthros, what else?
>>47234685
TASTY TREATS
They're cute! CUTE!
>>47233104
a shitty meme that needs to die
The complete, almost opposite, disparity of the different types of creatures all called "kobolds" is pretty weird. That said, small lizardlike creatures with an affinity for dragons and dying quickly are a good addition to your basic fantasy world.
People play them too stupidly, though. They're often treated as nothing more than xp fodder when really they should be like intelligent rats. Traps, ambush tactics, and skirmishing, if executed well, can help them punch above their weight class. Class levels in Ranger or the nearest equivalent are always fantastic. Inflict Tucker's Kobolds on mid-level adventurers to teach them about tactics, humility, and thinking outside the box.
Furfaggot garbage. I honestly don't know why "kobold threads" ate allowed on /tg/.
Otherwise they make nice faceless low level mooks for players to kill.
>>47233636
>People throw in dozens of elf types with no reason other than they want more and more
>"Yeah that's cool"
>Have more than one kind of kobold
>Hell just have not the D&D lizard type
>"Wow that's stupid, it's like this, just stick with it or fuck off"
Fucking hell, how do you pull it off?
>>47233419
3 licks you bitch, that owl told me, double checkmate
>>47237252
You win this time, fag, but I will get you!
I WILL GET YOU, INSPECTOR GADGET!
>>47237191
Dozens of different elf types for no reason is also dumb. This wasn't a hard question.
Kobolds are my favourites!
I should probably read that one book: Ren of Attikala, I think. Anyone read it?
>>47237645
whoops, I don't think that's a kobold
>>47234923
>>47233104
Since they're reptilian shouldn't they be feminized without relying on emphasis on eyelashes?
>>47237645
>Archaeopteryx Aztec Warriors
I didn't realize how badly I want this. Those feathers really put them above Warhammer Lizardmen. How do you have a proper Aztec army without crazy feather decoration?
![eyelash-viper-heads-820x545[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qB2oUSF.jpg "eyelash-viper-heads-820x545[1].jpg")
Plenty of reptiles have bodyhair; it's not much of a stretch.
Alternatively you could use eye-approximate ridges to emulate the same effect, with females having longer brow-ridges than males, who may have no brow-ridges at all.
>>47237759
I don't know much about the Aztecs, but I agree, feathers on reptiles is a natural choice.
Do you guys have any art on old school (black and white) kobolds ?
>>47237691
Why do you assume that lady kobolds wouldn't get fake eyelashes?
So, if kobolds are seen as dog/troll/not lizard creatures by most europeans and such, what should they be called alternatively? Lizard folk? Scalies? Igunakin? Lizardlytes? Lacertapians? Lizard kobold variety?
>>47238421
Mangekos.
>>47238499
Thats pretty good actually.
>>47238549
Don't.
>>47238584
Gekomen might be better, now that I think of it.
>>47233104
Well, the hides are on the flimsy side for their size, but they make decent budget versions of true lizardman boots, belts and bags. And the warhounds don't care where the meat is from so long as it's fresh.
People underestimate the money to be made from being an adventurer cleanup-crew.
>>47238623
Mangekos is pretty good, it allows for some natural mispronounciation .
>>47237590
>Dozens of different elf types for no reason is also dumb
If only the elffags shared that sentiment.
>>47233226
Bug-people master race
>>47233104
Needs dem hips
Probably should have lizard tits if female
>>47240037
i'm fine with it having only big hips, but that is a must
>>47239632
>>47240223
Like I said, needs dem hips, tits optional but ideal
The scientist in me thinks lizard tits are ridiculous at best, but the penis part of me likes tits.
>>47241184
My logic is that dragonic and reptilian humanoids are different, but outwardly similar creatures, and dragonic creatures like kobolds, having a more of a mix of reptilian and mammalian features, can have tits
>>47233319
>kobold thief gets what what
what the hell is this from?
>>47241184
They're venom sacs, clearly.
>>47241184
Mah nigga
>>47241184
In TES it could be justified for argonians by being Hist-sap sacs for feeding babies born outside Black Marsh/to fit in with normies.
>>47241220
Well yes, we can use whatever logic we like in our magical realms. I'm pro-lizard tits and human-bovine mixes. I can explain the later by some boon from a god or cows milk mutating our DNA or whatever.
>>47241263
I need picture of Lizards biting people with their titties.
Now.
>>47241310
Isn't the reason why the argonians in cyrodil so chesty is because the hist are literally pandering to imperial degeneracy so their walking bioweapons are more widely accepted?
>>47241498
Well in Daggerfall they didn't have nipples, so it makes some sense that they are just tossed on there to be pretty
>>47233104
They dance really funny when you hit them with enough lightning
>>47241496
Nah, it's spittable.
What you need is kobolds that haven't expressed their venom in a while so they've grown to ludicrous sizes.
>>47233104
I adore them. In my games they're usually of the "desert lizards" variety, living in not!Egypt and known for the incredibly deadly tombs they build for their god-kings.
>>47241310
Not quite
>>47241498
Yes. Though I'm not sure that it's imperials which are the deciding factor. It's quite probable that the hist have different opinions and strategies, and thus argonians from one region to the next (both within and outside the blackmarsh) will feature different anatomical motifs. While argonians do not have independent souls, the hist merely work in unison, they are not in and of themselves a hivemind.
>>47242316
>>47241254
google "Kobold Adventures"
>>47237809
>>47237759
I do like this take, especially if you go a step further and tie dragons in again.
>Gigantic, unintelligent, but naturally magical feathered serpents flying all over the place and being apex predators (i.e. eating anything that moves)
>Vaguely similar somewhat feathered kobolds see that stuffing them makes them leave you the fuck alone and maybe even lets them extract venom and or magic feathers or scales
>Start raiding the neighbor tribes, building big platforms, and killing shittons of the neighbors on top of them to attract feathered serpents
>Dress it all up in religion later
>Jungles full of kobolds in monster hunter style gear wanting to capture you and feed you to a giant fuckoff dragon
Kobolds being the Envy evil-race is one thing I like about Paizo. An entire race with sub-zero self esteem.
>>47241184
>The scientist in me thinks lizard tits are ridiculous at best
But not lizards with eyelashes, big human eyes, human expressions, hourglass figures, human hands, and other human traits?
>>47242464
I prefer the suggestion, not the actuality. Sort of a birdlike keel to make the chest cavity deeper? Can move sensitivity elsewhere, like the tip of the tail or the ears or something.
>>47242561
>I prefer the suggestion, not the actuality. Sort of a birdlike keel to make the chest cavity deeper? Can move sensitivity elsewhere, like the tip of the tail or the ears or something.
But that's adding even more non-lizard traits.
>>47237191
Because when you show someone a pangolin they go "Woah that's fucking cool."
My favorite takes:
>Kobolds are the smallest, shittiest dragons, but they can eventually get that big and mean. Dragons don't produce sexually, but can pass on 'blessings' to favored tribes at the cost of magic shenanigans. Constant infighting and dickery makes sure only the tricksiest and smartest kobolds become dragons.
>Kobolds trapped in ancient dwarf hold get to reading, develop the idea of working for themselves, get a particularly tyrannical dragon that comes in and tries to take over, gank him with an electrified throne. Leadership rules by not-entirely-unjustified fear that dragons will come to fuck them all up, resulting in a horrible semisoviet police state
>Symbiotic relationship where the kobolds serve as guards and laborers and the dragons take out threats to the warren as a whole, with kobolds joining in on the fight- Dragons wearing harnesses with a bunch of kobold snipers on, and boarding actions back and forth, and the like
>Imperial chinese kobolds that believe dragons are soul repositories, maybe a few dozen dragons in the entire empire all revered as living gods, with all the infighting and politics that imperial chinese would imply
>>47242592
Dragons have the keel, though, I think it's reasonable.
>>47242675
Pangolins, you say.
>A tribe of kobolds lives in the mountain, constantly in fear of their dragon master, and her dragonborn guard
>Dragon is actually a perfectly kind old Silver who spends most of their time lounging on their hoard and reading, or scrying about.
I think everyone in this thread can agree that WoW kobolds are garbage, though, am I right?
If you're going to do rats, steal skaven or nezumi.
>>47242777
Which is a non-reptilian trait.
Not that I'm against non-reptilian traits in my fantasy critters. It's just that I generally object to the idea that there's anything more/less "scientific" about this trait or that.
It just creates a false set of limitations that distracts from the real reason behind the mishmash of traits, which is appeal to symbolism/tropes/relability.
>>47242953
Comes down to whether they're closer on the dragon side of things and are just really small and shitty, or whether they're more reptilian and the dragon bit is added on.
I could also see kobolds as being deliberately a mishmash race, like shorter mongrelmen that anyone actually cared about. Dragons came through and tried to make them dragonblooded servitors, magical interbreeding with other stuff happened, so a random kobold off the street might have scales, feathers, AND fur in random patches, a horn on one side and a floppy ear on the other, and mismatched everything else, as well.
Add in frantic "We wuz dragons and proud" and it becomes sadly hilarious.
>>47242750
>Kobolds realize dragons are just dragons and share no actual heritage with them. Form an anti-dragon army out of spite and revenge. Try to free other tribes from monarch dragon rule. They're awful at it though.
>>47233104
I like to play them one of three or so ways, honestly.
The first and least threatening is a very DF method of playing them- they're communal, cave-dwelling, vaguely dog-like creatures that are driven by two things- kleptomania and fear, in that order. They're perfect for low-level adventurers because no matter how much you try, completely clearing them out seems impossible, they're just too skilled at running; but they're also numerous and non-sapient pests. Sometimes the party will find cool stuff in the caves, but the kobold definition of value is questionable at best.
Version two is the more classic reptile version. These guys are a bit smarter than above, but not much more threatening. They do have a couple of advantages, such as tool use, but come in smaller social groups and steal less often. They usually aren't dangerous, but every so often they'll form what is essentially a cult around a dragon or dragon-like creature, in which they begin to steal much more to appease their dragon, in turn having a dragon to protect their caves. Although the dragon will sometimes eat them, get bored and leave, or otherwise not be helpful if trinkets are not kept flowing in.
The third kind are also a bit like DF kobolds, but they are devious bastards with insanely lethal lairs. The kobolds themselves are not all that threatening, but they have mastered the art of trapmaking. The entire experience is much like a fantasy 'Nam, except you can't leave, there's always a kobold den -somewhere- nearby. The only way to get rid of them is to make sure they never take root somewhere in the first place, and even if you can drive them off, their lairs are so filled with lethal traps that they tend to claim lives many years after being cleared, only for another to spring up. They rarely do trigger their own traps, but don't care that much even when they do- they breed like crazy and are good at running.
>>47242850
>Forgetful and indulgent gold dragon sage runs a library
>Attracts kobolds to run the place, and they do a great job after they get the concept of not trapping everything through their heads
>Devoted servants because he doesn't eat any of them, explains things as many times as he needs to, and is willing to defend their presence when anyone complains
>Twenty precise kobolds marching a ludicrously huge book over, holding it open for him to read, and turning the pages for him
>It takes three kobolds to carry in his spectacles
>Fifty kobolds assembly-lining out copies of books in a scriptorium
>Generations of kobolds in service to this dragon and the library, living, working and dying between the shelves
>The Golden Legion scattering to the four winds with the library's most dangerous secrets when their protector finally dies, becoming a semi-religious order based around the protection of knowledge
>>47242354
muh pharaoh
>>47243135
I'd watch it
>>47242750
take I like
>kobolds are actually the ancient civilization, the very first to rise, they created the dragons and the mysterious structures of the world, but their collapse has left no sign of this connection and the dragons are all too happy to make the kobolds think they are the servant race
>>47242464
Dinosaur legs and tail are also very unlizardy.
>>47246305
I'm just gonna go with "It works because dragons".
Also, kobolds doing downscaled dragon things is adorable to me.
>>47233863
*scalie
>>47237691
eyeleashes are there to protect from particles. they could have developed them at one point.
otherwise , no. they are fake
go for egg-laying hips if you want to feminize them
>talking about lizard tits again
Gentle reminder that any biped with wide birth canals has all the selection pressure they need to grow tits, mammaries or no mammaries.
Front butts are serious business.
>>47247424
I would like a harder and more explicit reminder. With diagrams.
>>47247174
Do you need big hips to lay eggs?
>>47247424
Kindly explain further. Need this for a friend.
>>47247496
>>47247478
I'm not making you diagrams.
The explanation isn't that hard. Mammals don't actually have their tits swell that much from milk. The majority of breast mass is just for show, and was developed because the ass is a sexual signifier and you can't see the ass from the front.
Basically, big brained and bipedal means they need wide birthing canals and also cannot see the butt, and will thus have evolutionary pressures to make an auxillary butt. Probably on the front.
Hopefully on the front.
Nature might put it somewhere weird.
>>47247505
Interesting. Now I kind of want to do something weird with that, like brilliantly-coloured mouth interiors or big feather shenanigans or the like. Maybe just super bright underbellies as a thing.
>>47233263
But that's fucking adorable anon
>>47247526
basically it all relies on how closely you can make something reminiscent to its ass elsewhere on the body.
Like, say, having a bright red ass and a bright red face, like some monkeys.
Don't do that one specifically though, it's fucking disgusting.
>>47247484
it surely helps
>>47233104
The minion of choice for my BBEGs and PCs alike.
>>47246428
I am going to fap to that kobold.
>>47248799
Can't exactly stop you, and also unsure why I needed to know that.
>>47242426
This sounds like a great idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ko0hsrkDm4
Not strictly kobolds, but them making use of deathtraps like this would be fucking amazing.
>>47249310
Those are absolutely FANTASTIC kobolds.
>>47233104
They're one of my core races, they're essentially reptilian Jews.
>>47249310
That was brilliant, anon. Thanks for sharing.
>>47233104
remove kobold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU
>>47251290
>implying gobos aren't the fantasy kebab
>>47233263
>turning your campaign into Diablo
Ever since those fuckers killed my first character I've never forgiven them.
>>47252780
you sound like my buddy brian, he lost a lvl 18 ffighter/thief to a double crit in 2nd edd dnd. Has gleefully murdered every kobold he's encountered in my games, regardless of alignment. Wish i could keep them safe from his rampages, i think kobolds are cute and make funny tavern "villians" to catch in silly hijix. Like going full mission impossible to steal the tip jar or some strong booze someone just shelled out for. Not gonna lie, i throw kobolds in here and there just to watch how creative he'll get to kill it without getting caught.
>>47233104
Crappy minion race for when you got tired of throwing goblins at players, now nothing but furry bait.
>>47242877
my first contact with Kobolds was from Warcraft, so you can probably imagine my surprise when I got on /tg/ and found out otherwise.
>"them a nice kobolds"
>>47257010
I'd fire him, if you know what I mean.
>>47258640
My favorite setting for kobolds is the 21st century as blue collar workers, hoping everyday they aren't fired and replaced by younger kobolds. Then fired by the boss who is a dragon who bresthes fire.
>>47233104
Goblins are better.
But both are vermin species by and large.
>>47260409
Goblins are boring though. Kobolds can be kind of cool at least, goblins are just goblins. A constant of goblin.
>>47260859
>Kobolds are boring though. Goblins can be kind of cool at least, Kobolds are just Kobolds. A constant of Kobolds.
Seems like you're just willfully ignorant. Or literally know only one kind of Goblin.
>>47233104
Fuck 'em.
Frequently.
>>47260905
Tell me about goblins, I know of the lime green variety, the brown-green variety, the dark green vwriety, the light green varirty, the green green variety, and the freakish human flesh colored ones. That are always, minions, tinkerers, or thief... oh, with the ever so rare shaman with bones as decorative clothes accessory.
>>47261846
Just the ones I've seen?
Snow, jungle, spider, night, standard, city
All of them have different traditions, societal personalities and dispositions, political standings.
I'm pretty sure Kobolds are the same way. It's just a preference thing, I like Goblins more than Kobolds.
>>47233104
I don't like crocodile-like things. Little dragonborns, cutebolds or those weeb doggies are all fine, though.
>>47233104
Pretty cool in general. Like to play em as being a mix of the Vietcong and the Mafia.
>>47233104
I like making them genetically unstable, with variants arising from a few generations of different environments and diets. Lets me using all the different types people come up with at once, some more civilized than others. All the same stats though.
>>47249310
That was awesome. Thanks man.
>>47247526
Best idea.
>>47233104
I follow the belief that their only means of survival is being so insignificant that nobody really minds them.
They are either slaving away under dragons 24/7 diverting any attention away from them or so insignificant and weak alone that they are no more of a problem that a racoon.
>>47233104
Literally kender-tier but there are still people dumb enough to like them
>>47233104
Death to Deecan
>>47233263
One f my favorite player characters is a kobold I made after the "Hey, Wanna Be A Kobold" article in the old DRAGON Magazine.
>>47233104
Do not like bentleg 'bolds. They are genetic abominations.
>>47265192
I have both lizardbold and dogbolds, though the dogbolds are called kobalds but nobody cares enough to know that the names are different and no way related.
the two hate each other because of this, lizard because they are the true kobold and the dogs because they aren't filthy kobols
>>47276042
This got me thinking about temperature and lizardy/dragony races.
Are tropical kobolds and the like particularly different in temperment to temperate ones? And what about Polar 'bolds? Size? Activity?
>>47276116
throw in some feathers for insulation.
>>47233104
They're kind of chewy, but make good sausages.
>>47276295
Feather bold a nice
>>47276116
Better question: Why are there kobolds in the polars?
We see neither dogs, nor rats or lizards there. Why should the little shiteaters grovel there?
>>47233226
You say bug people, but you both posted moth people. I agree that moth people are great, but them and dragonfly people are the only bug people I like.
>>47234477
My gatorfolk are called Genmarai if that counts?
>>47233104
Boring shit-tier minions and cringeworthy memeshit PCs.
