Emperor Parasol edition.
>Tabletop/P&P RPGs
[Scrollhammer - Tabletop Wargame] http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Scrollhammer_2nd_Edition
Discussion in #Scrollhammer (irc.thisisnotatrueending.com (port 6667))
[UESRPG 1e + other TES RPGs] http://www.mediafire.com/uesrpg
Discussion in #UESRPG (same server)
>Lore Resources
[The Imperial Library] http://www.imperial-library.info/
[/r/teslore] http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/
[UESP/Lore] http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page
[Pocket Guide to the Lore] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] http://www.elderlore.wordpress.com/
[How to Become a Lore Buff] http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
>General Rules
No waifus except Therana please.
Keep the MK/Lady N related squabbling to a minimum.
Previous kalpa: >>47134911
So, who's Umaril's dad after all?
First for filthy Ayleid blood
It would be really really really great if this thread would have a lot of pictures in it. Pictures from tes I like and have them not.
It would be really really really great if this thread would have a lot of actual lore discussion in it. Discussions on tes I like and have them, but not enough.
>>47230925
With pictures, so we could have them.
>>47230857
I don't know. But we have this:
>[Presently] the half-Elf [showed himself] bathed in [Meridian light] ... and he listed his bloodline in the Ayleidoon and spoke of his father, a god of the [previous kalpa's] World-River
Now, that could be speaking of The Ruddy Man, so in other words Molag Bal.
>>47231051
Does "World-River" mean an ocean?
E3 is coming up really soon. Think Beth is going to announce the newest ES game?
>>47231181
Who fucking cares.
>>47231203
Ppl in a tes thread do you fucking frustrated faget?
So casting magic, usually summons
Let's say summon a flame atronach for 30 seconds
Is that spell, lore-wise, a single concentrated effort during the initial summon, or are summons a constant effort to upkeep and the time restraint is just gameplay
>>47231500
I'm sure it's possible to do it both ways, but it's likely much more practical to use the former. The whole point of summoning is to gain support, support is rather useless when you are forced to focus upkeep it.
You are arrested for lolligagging, what do you say in your defense?
>>47231861
There are no lolis in TES
>>47232487
Don't lie to me, Anon.
>>47232487
But muh Babette.
>>47231500
You can make summonings without any time limit when you're powerful enough. See Baladas, Gothren etc.
>>47232808
that's disgusting, off to /vg/ with you
>>47232938
I'm sorry, vampire lolis are my weakness.
>>47232808
Why do nips think helmet hair is attractive?
>>47233250
Because it is and you have shit taste.
>>47233267
Sure thing bowl cut
>>47233281
Bowl cuts are actually awesome, especially with blond hair
>>47233295
Let's just agree to disagree
ran into this mudcrab squatting the only bridge out of gnaar mok
>>47233700
Was he taking a toll?
And now , it's time to let this run in the background while I go do other stuff.
>>47231072
It's probable, but not a given. Even then, there's other beings with connections to the sea.
Bal as Umaril's father is a good idea, but there's merit to several of the alternative theories as well. Other suggestions include Meridia and, in some way, Aka.
I don't feel qualified to say anything definitive about it.
nth for Dwemer ass towels
>>47235258
>ESO
How much lore was destroyed since the last week?
>>47235546
5 whole lores.
>>47235658
I heard Arctus was connected to Magnus in some way, is this true?
>>47234969
>>47232466
>>47231203
>each game adds a lot of new lore
>fuck off!!
Based retard.
>>47237958
>>47238029
Yeah, just like ESO does.
>>47235686
Varieties of Faith says so.
>>47238474
Isn't he too disgusted by Creation to play any part in things happening in Mundus? Even the whole existence of Magic he's revered for is only a side effect of him leaving.
>>47238753
>>47238753
Zurin's connection to Magnus could be referential, in the manner that Zurin in many ways fulfills the Mage archetype, much like Sotha Sil. Likewise Varieties of Faith also states that Magnus is believed to sometimes come and bless people with incredible magical ability, which may just be a funny way of explaining why some people are unnaturally adept with magic. What I'm really saying here is that Zurin's connection to Magnus may be based in the fact that he is undeniably one of, if not, the greatest mage to ever live.
However, it should also be mentioned that Magnus hasn't given up on Mundus. He regrets leaving and still looks back on the world. He does this through the Elder Scrolls that record history, and return to him whenever your hero becomes a legend.
Which perhaps brings a whole new meaning to this quote.
>Each event is preceded by prophecy. But, without the hero, there is no event.
>Zurin Arctus
>>47231181
God I hope not. Fallout 4 was literally every horrible thing I was afraid would happen rolled into one game. Skyrim 2: Dank Meme Boogaloo is more than I can handle.
Will wizard hats be canon again
>>47240912
Breton wizards confirmed for superior fashion sense. The Traveller's League is best faction.
>>47240912
When were they ever not canon?
>>47241423
You never see them in the current tes games, so they might have been phased out or retconned
Even oblivion didn't have them
>>47241741
>they are not featured in new games
>this automatically makes them retconned
please stop
Would you have been happy with Cyrodiil circa Oblivion if at least the Niben was more rainforest-y and distinct like pre-dragonbreak?
>>47243680
Damn, that looks amazing. Would love more forest-y Oblivion, the lore in that game was pretty solid barring the lack of a significant nibenese/colovian split, and the jungle would top it off nicely.
>>47243792
>the lore in that game was pretty solid
Not really
>>47233669
Honestly Bretons had some of the worst hair in Morrowind.
>>47243680
Oblivion was more or less a solid game. Even the potato faces aren't that bad, considering the fun speech minigame that makes good use of their expressiveness.
>>47244133
It doesn't matter since it's not canon
>>47244133
>Based Mankar
>Based Pelin-El
>not solid
>>47244521
Why do people say this? Oblivion had some really great lore about things like Pelinal Whitestrake and Alessia, and getting to actually see some realms of Oblivion, as well as other little bits of lore about magic or life in Tamriel. You even get Lost Boy Cavern and its interest lich.
I can understand being mad that Cyrodiil wasn't was wild as was promised, but that's no reason to ignore the good lore presented.
>>47244616
It doesn't matter since it's not canon
>shitposting about canon
did i accidentally wander into swg? What's your favorite weird lore tidbit, /tgesg/, let's try to salvage this thread
>>47244941
Hard to say...Probably the Sage, or maybe just the Songs of Pelinal. They might not be c0da crazy, but they have a fun tone of ancient legends carefully preserved.
>never do morrowind+expansions main quests despite putting 400+ hours into the game
>decide to finally do a mq playthrough
It's actually pretty damn cool, didn't expect them to tell you so early what really happened at red mountain though. Thank god for the internet, if I had rely solely on the shitty directions I don't know if I would be able to finish the game.
Let's talk about Orcs for a bit:
I've never enjoyed the idea of Orc chieftains having all the wives, personally. It seems like something that will always end in disaster and means you can only have communities so large.
But I've found an (unfortunately ESO) related source that talks about how a lot of the wives fulfill certain roles for the chief, including being bodyguards. Which to me not only makes these marriages seem more useful, instead of a waste of potentially useful warriors and bearers of children, and perhaps hints that these marriages are only political - perhaps the wives are allowed to have dalliances?
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/chronicles-king-kurog-book-v
Still not as cool as King Gortwog by any means.
>>47245934
Tbh I don't even like the idea of Orcs being super tribal. The Skyrim-style Orc strongholds felt like too much of an attempt to make them seem primitive without actually making it interesting at all.
>>47245934
On that last note:
>The only troubling sign for Orsinium is a religious conflict that has brewed over the last ten years. Traditionally, the Orcs have worshiped the Daedra Malacath (Mauloch) as their patron deity. Gortwog, however, has established a new priesthood devoted to the worship of Trinimac, the ancient hero of the Orcs, who legend has it was devoured by Boethia and became the Daedra Malacath. The Orc King's belief that Trinimac still lives and that Malacath is a separate entity, a demon whose aim was to keep the Orsimer pariah folk forever, is the official position of the shaman priests of Orsinium. A minority of traditionalists within the territory, and the majority of Orcs without, view this as heresy. There is fear even among those who support Gortwog and Orsinium that turning their back on the Daedric Prince of the Bloody Oath is a dangerous policy indeed.
Do you think that the idea of worshiping Trinimac worked out? Or could it have ever worked?
>>47230905
I didn't realize yesterday was friday and missed some discussion, damn me
/tgesg is the worst place for TES lore because nothing ever happens here
>>47246744
There's nowhere else to go. Not unless you want things to be a lot more focused and narrow like on reddit or something.
>>47246763
>There's nowhere else to go
Literally anywhere else is better
>>47246771
Then I guess I'm spending the night at your mom's again. Beds are warmer and the fun is freer.
But seriously, if you don't want to be here, feel free to go.
>>47244616
It is the dankest new meme. And by that I mean that one guy is forcing it.
>>47244941
There's so much, but I like a lot of Daggerfall's stuff. Like everything about the Ra'athim, or that one book that takes a sceptical look at the Camoran Usurper.
>>47246744
Then leave.
Why does Azura have a dunmer-like complexion instead of looking like a chimer?
>>47246905
You should say dunmer have an azura-line complexion.
And it's because she's an attention whoring cunt.
>>47246905
To display "sympathy" with the Dummer, I guess.
On a related note, don't the Khajiit insist that Azurah isn't the same as Azurah? Do they portray her as a cat?
>>47246905
Because she's the true goddess of the dunmer. Not those other guys. She is. Her. Did you notice the skin?
Seriously, I think that's the downside to her manipulation of prophecy - she is honestly a jealous, petty person that would put Malacath to shame.
>>47246928
>"May the eyes of the Changed Ones be turned as red as this volcanic ash, and may their skin be as blackened as their hearts"
>Almalexia & Vivec still look golden
>>47246928
*like
>>47246771
>>47246744
You may leave now.
>>47246951
And Sotha, she fucked up everyone but the 3 that she wanted to.
I hate how she's praised as good in literally every TES gameincluding ESO
>>47246982
It's hard to tell, but Sotha looks like a pale dunmer to me
>>47247062
That's honestly a really human skin tone.
Though seriously, the man looks fucked up. His fingers are claws, most of his body seems to be mechanical to the point where his legs are completely gone...sure, part of that might have been due to his fight with Almalexia, but still.
>>47247062
The eyes are yellow... I think
>>47247062
He's also decomposing.
>>47247094
He hasn't been dead that long, not as far as I know.
Why do I tear up at that broken mask? Is it the snarl that hid the handsome face behind, or the anger that hid the rictus scream beneath?
>>47246933
No, the Khajiit don't see Azurah as entirely separate from Azura, but she's to them very much a different kind of spirit. She doesn't appear to have a lot to do with the Azura seen in other myths, though that can be debated.
As for if they portray her as a cat, I really don't know. It would certainly not surprise me, seeing as they portray most other deities as cats. That said, there's a difference between Azurah and most other Khajiiti gods.
The gods of the Khajiiti come in litters. The first litter is Alkosh, Khenarthi, Magrus, Mara and S'rendarr, most of whom are described as cats or cat-related. Khenarthi is just called the Winds.
The second litter is Hermorah, Hircine, Merrunz, Mafala, Sangiin, Sheggorath and others. With the exception of Hermorah, who is called the Tides, all the others are described as cats.
But Azurah is part of the final litter, together with the Moons and their Motions (the ja'Kha'jay), Nirni, and finally Lorkhaj. Later came Namiira. None of these are, to my knowledge, ever described as cats. The Moons and their Motions certainly aren't, nor is Nirni, who is Azurah's sister. I know Lorkhaj lends Ra'Wulfharth hor roar in "The Tale of Dro'Zira", which is kind of a cat-depiction. He's also called "Moon Beast", which isn't necessarily catlike either.
So I dunno. Azurah might be depicted as a cat, but in that case she's possibly be the odd one out from her litter.
What do you guys think of Great House Sadras? What do you think they're like?
>>47234969
>Orsinium (pls don't burn)
kek
>>47241741
Colovian fur helms, my friend.
Wish they were in Oblivion though, they were COLOVIAN fur helms after all. Funny how Skyrim also didn't have trollbone armor while it was in Morrowind.
>thread's silent
JUST
>>47248269
red mountain my shit up
>>47248269
Sorry, I've been busy playingESO::^^))
>>47247886
Some think they are Ra'athim/descendants of Mora, resurfacing after millennia.
>>47231500
Define effort. Its more of a dominance thing, there are rules to follow, and the summon has to be under your will, but its not really something you have to focus on like water breathing or resisting fire.
>>47248810
I'm pretty sure Sadras has existed before it replaced Hlaalu, it just wasn't part of the council.
>>47248904
Maybe, but I believe it wasn't mentioned anywhere.
>>47244251
Yeah, I always stuck with the triangle hair, but the ponytails were alright. The tonsure was plain ugly, and they didn't have many styles to choose from in general.
post some lore guys
>>47244610
Yah and those are really just two things that are voth included in overall shitty quests
>>47246928
>daedra
>having a complexion
>>47246928
Sotha Sil is said to be a Dunmer in 2920 iirc. while it could be said that's a bad source it makes sense given Sotha Sil is always the guy talking about the glorious new future of the Velothi, one source even mentions how he states the change to Dunmer was a blessing rather than a curse. It also works rather poetically, given we have one god who is golden, one god who os half golden half grey, and then what would be one god who is grey.
>>47244941
I like the nirnroot
Kind of a forced evolution, makes you wonder what else it can do
>>47233708
How else is he going to afford his sujamma habit?
What do you think the real life equivalents of each drink are?
I imagine sujamma to be like poitin or everclear, mazte to be like sake/beer, greef to be like a very dry and bitter wine, shein to be like the former but a a brandy, Cyrodillic Brandy would be sweet and not taste very alcoholic, and Flin would be a very smooth whiskey.
>>47249565
It's literally all bathtub booze
>>47249565
>The local Dunmer liquor, sujamma, is extremely potent.
>Mazte is a local beer brewed from fermented saltrice.
>The native comberry brandy is locally called greef.
>The native comberry wine is locally called shein.
>>47249606
All booze is bathtub booze if you loosen your definition of bathtub enough.
>>47249675
>The most popular beverages are mazte (a local beer brewed from fermented saltrice) and sujamma (a potent, bitter liquor).
>>47247886
I have no idea, I don't think we have any info on them. Like others, I hope that it's Mora/the Ra'athim, but unfortunately I doubt that will actually happen to be the case.
>>47249565
I want to know what the weird booze from Arena is. What the fuck is Orcgut, and is it as disgusting as it sounds?
>>47249707
>What the fuck is Orcgut
Sounds like a drink designed for people who have a high tolerance for alcohol or alternatively want to drink themselves into an early grave.
>>47249758
What drinks you find in a tavern in Arena is random, so I don't know about all of them. But I was able to find a Russian and a Spanish forum, and both of them have the same list:
>Beer
>Ale
>Stout
>Bock
>Bitters
>Lager
>Pilsner
>Red wine
>Port
>White wine
>Grog
>Cider
>Guttgeist
>Sulphurwater
>Orcgut
>Djinn 'n Tonic
>Golem-maker
>Charybdis-on-the-Rocks
>Liquid Lich
>High Rock Milk
>Claymore-Through-Your-Spleen
I swear, I've never seen the last five, but they're apparently in there.
Do you want a Liquid Lich?
>>47249954
I'd prefer Sex on the Lich.
>>47249999
Mannimarco pls go
>>47249954
I've never seen those last five either, I also seem to remember Djinn n' tonic rather being actual "Gin and Tonic" (though I may just be remembering that wrong).
But yah, I could definitely go for some Liquid Lich.
>>47247062
When the Chimer changed into the Dunmer, who was it that stood in front of a crowd of Dunmer and explained that the new change was a gift, not a curse? It was Sotha Sil. Don't you think he'd look like a hypocrite if he had Chimer skin?
Case in point, Sotha Sil kept his new Dunmer Appearance, whilst Almalexia reverted back to her Chimer skin, and Vivec being the half between the two
>>47247886
I personally think they're just like House Hlaalu in nearly every way. Morrowind needs a great house to negotiate with the Empire
>>47250021
I'm booting up Arena now, to travel to a bunch of tavens across Tamriel, to see if I can spot any of those last five. Djinn 'n Tonic is definitely real.
>>47250136
>Morrowind ill needs a great house to negotiate with the Empire
Fixed.
>>47250123
Oh yeah, I forgot he's supposed to be the anticipation of Azura. I wonder what she thought about that, I have a hard time imagining she'd be pleased with one of her champion's murderers claiming her as a patron
The Thalmor are right about everything
>>47249954
>Highrock Milk
>It's an alcoholic drink made from enchanted milk.
>They are literally weaned on magicka through magickal booze milk.
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>>47251044
WHAT DID YOU SAY
>>47251142
"The Thalmor are right about everything."
I guess it's hard for Nords to read, though, so I can't blame you.
>>47251142
Nirn is a prison for our divinity only built so Shor could rule over us
>>47251129
>Breton women are milked like human cows for magical milk
>>47251176
>>47251199
I'M SORRY I COULDN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY TOWER STILL STANDING STRONG!
>>47251199
That might, in a sense, be true. The problem with the prison analogy is that if the prison falls apart, then you disappear along with it. Unless you find your way off the sinking ship by evacuating to another or ascend to a higher spiritual level.
The Redguards have it right, I suppose, when they believe you have to earn the right to return to the Far Shores. They are bit strange given that they on some points agree with the Altmer.
>>47251278
It's between b and d
>>47251251
The towers act as an axle for the Wheel, I think. They better still be standing strong. The alternative is much, much worse.
If one does start the apocalypse early, then one can rest easy on the fact that all the other dreams within dreams will remain relatively untouched. (Unless one would happen to be on Mundus Prime, which is a big no-no)
>>47251278
>>47251294
Astute observations. I just picked the first letter in the name of my first UESRPG character.
>>47246672
The fuck is that circular island chain in the southwest??
>towers
>wheels
fan-fiction
>>47251403
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Siege_at_Firemoth
>>47251369
And who cares about your name?
>>47251465
apparently you do
>>47251403
http://mwmap.uesp.net/?locx=-55228&locy=-82321&zoom=15
>>47249565
>real life equivalents
that's not how TES works
>>47251242
Highrock is truly the most magical realm province.
In fact, it's literally full of magic and people who decide to go out naked or just wearing a loincloth for no reason besides why not.
>>47251808
I meant so I can buy or make a jar similar, fill it, and pretend if I want to play UESRPG with friends.
I could probably make come crabcakes, too, since it's in the Redoran Cookbook.
>>47251847
>loincloth
Healing purposes. Just ask the big burly healers at the Temple of Dibella.
>>47251847
>>47251242
>>47251129
Highrock confirmed for best province.
Lewdity and comfy rain, wizards and qt petite witch grills, thaumaturgy and passwall, green rolling hills that smell like the serenity after rain, vintage potions, the best food in Tamriel, quite after the miracle of peace, and big comfy fires where Orsinium used to be. It's beautiful.
>>47252004
>big comfy fires where Orsinium used to be
That seals the deal.
>>47252004
Don't forget all the weed they smoke.
What do you guys think about this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGEQeuu_Hrk&index=2&list=PL9qQ3PJcmlrfH6a799s6iNHkXzgcbSlky
Personally I like him
>>47252144
I like him as well.
>>47252144
I quite dislike anyone who tries to explain the lore on Youtube tbqh.
>>47252004
>Thamatugy and passwall.
Don't forget Tongues. Languages were so cool, and it was useful to have a spell to let you speak all of them.
>>47251847
>full of magic and people who decide to go out naked or just wearing a loincloth for no reason besides why not.
Sounds like skyrim
except instead of magic its yelling
>>47252144
> youtubers
Who cares?
>>47252226
Skyrim isn't the magical realm province, unless we're counting mods as canon.
>>47252004
In my head, I see High Rock is a land imbued with the comfiest aspects of traditional fantasy settings, bordering on near fairytale-esque, built into medieval Europe turned up to 11.sadly, I know this idea will be ruined by later games
>>47252345
And the ground is more dungeon than dirt.
>>47252345
That's how I see it as well, but with some parts being spooky woods full of spiders and witches and skelepitons to the east.
>>47252416
> but with some parts being spooky woods full of spiders and witches and skelepitons to the east
That fits into what I meant by
>comfiest aspects of traditional fantasy settings
>>47252416
You just know Skeffington Wood is spooky.
>>47252461
It's actually named after Thomas D. Skeffington, a friendly forest Ranger who made sure there were absolutely no spooky skeletons in his woods.
>>47252680
But there's still witches there.
>>47252144
fucking hell, this guy took 20 minutes to explain that most TES players are casuals and that not everything Kirkbride has made after Morrowind is canon
>>47253057
The following lore videos are better though
>https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2082-funnybizness-animations-and-forerunner414s-funnybiz-slal-pack-21616/
How do I install this thing? Mod Organizer says it can't find game data.
>>47253057
most people cant get it into their fucking heads you know, the 20 minutes was necessary
>>47253147
>Necrophilia
>Creatures
>Giant
>Draugr
>Guro
Jesus christ.
Also according to the post, which I'm certain you took the time to read, its a bunch of animations and probably and not a mod that you can toggle on or off. So just dump everything in your data folder and then run FNIS.
Now fuck off to /tesg/
>>47253147
disregard this I have found the answer
>>47252190
>go on youtube
>get shoddycast's lore video on arena recommended for some reason
>"the eternal champion was called talin"
It's like he didn't even try.
>>47253576
Shoddycast is and always has been hot garbage. There are no good youtube lore resources, and there never have been.
>>47253057
He's pretty elitist imo
>>47253658
how so?
>>47253754
Maybe not elitist, I shouldn't be throwing words out there...But something about him just bugs me.
>>47252144
By Morihaus' Dong, not this pretentious faggot again.
>>47252004
>>47252345
Sounds amazing.
Don't forget sexy af men.
>>47235546
All of it. Gone. Bethesda hasn't written good lore since Wayne Gretzky Hockey.
>tfw can't stop watching Eurovision
Jesus christ, there has to be something like this in Tamriel. Like how Arena was first planned to be, there must be a competition that pits provinces against each other for entertainment!
>>47255869
>actually watching it
What are you, some old person?
>>47255869
It's called the Musical Tournament of Ten Bloods aka Boethiavision.
>>47255961
Speaking of the Tournament, why the Ten bloods exactly? Is this a gameplay thing, or does Boethia not accept other races like Dreughs, Imga etc. for some reason?
>>47257005
>>47257122
Seht, I summon thee!
>>47257888
WITNESSED!
What's up?
>>47257888
>>47258257
And entourage!
>>47258257
>>47258257
I'm back.
I was wondering why there weren't some of Daggerfall's spells in UESRPG. I feel like Passwall and Tongues and a few others would really fit, especially with things like Bend Reality and there being language skills.
Also, what is Bend Reality supposed to look like? Do you warp to the place like Blink, does the land shift around you like FMA, or does it just augment your ability to jump or run?
>>47255119
Most definitely.
Look at those eyes, it's like he's about to give some serious love.
>>47258722
I went through and grabbed spells primarily from 3-5 because there's a serious gap between Daggerfall and Morrowind in terms of the overall tone of the setting, as well as a discontinuity in terms of how things work.
We did take some things from Daggerfall, though, and by the sound of it there's some more we could grab.
>>47258832
Thanks, Seht, you're a real sweetie.
>>47258832
I am a real fan of your work, Seht. I mean it unironically. You've made a beaufitul system with the the rest of the dev team and I salute you for it.
Even with all your bugs, typos and other stuff you leave for later. Like the 50% less CrP offer on an appropiate racial skill, where you could get to master rank with less than 2k CrP.
I disbelieved that you could do so in the beginning, given that the wording was so ambigious. I've even started to exploit it for what it is worth. I suppose I am glad you're limiting it to journeyman. At least that way I won't have to deal with a master archmage/swordsman in the group and fear that the guy/gal will roast/sword my ass if I so much as twitch the wrong way.
I had to live with somebody like that in the group and my experience is realted to the pic.
Also, it seems like you haven't adjusted the xp guide for levels (y'know, the one detaling 10k = epic and so forth) from the period when you had 50% off on favoured to this new age of having 25% off on favoured stats. Effective xp/crp is different.
Oh, and will there ever be a time, when small-time mages can have spell-casting alternatives to power well? It seems to be mandatory if you want to play a mage and not knowing about that can cripple mages after character creation. Especially if a campaign has a heavy focus on combat. (Mine had)
I am looking forward to any additions that could enable a good roleplaying experience and I still love the shit out of the game. I'll be playing a political/economical campaign in a while and it'll be set in the reign of Septimus Mede. Oh, it'll be glorious.
>>47252004
Don't forget there's room for all sorts of different cultures, and High Rock is honestly on pretty good terms with Hammerfell overall, and were traditionally favorable to the Empire and Cyrodiil, so they're one of the few provinces to actually have strong friendly relations with others.
Also don't forget Mysticism. In their earliest lore, they were described more as druids.
Hey, I was looking at the 1st edition Pocket Guide to the Empire, and I noticed the Invocation in the beginning had some stuff for the Daedric Princes written backwards. I tried writing it properly:
To BOETHIAH the Fount of Inspiration.
To HIRCINE who is Half the Conscience of Men.
To MALACATH who speaks all Language Sideways.
To MEHRUNES DAGON whose mistress is the Blazing Sun.
To SHEOGORATH the Comforter of Men.
To MOLAG BAL whose Breath is Most Foul.
To NAMIRA whose Works endure forever.
To MEPHALA who threads the Needle with the Hair of wives.
To CLAVICUS VILE who always answers.
To NOCTURNAL whose Touch is Mink.
To PERYITE whose Foundation is Falling Rock.
To AZURA the Rim of all Holes.
To MERIDIA who contains the Plemun.
To HERMAEUS MORA who holds the Paper to the Light.
To SANGUINE who tastes the Shaven Fruit.
To VAERNIMA Weaver of the Panoply.
I personally find it very interesting, though a lot of it is straightforward. What is Falling Rock? How is Sheogorath the comforter of men? How does Mehrunes Dagon relate to the sun at all? Why would Malacath be associated with language in any way?
>>47261023
>What is Falling Rock?
No idea.
>How is Sheogorath the comforter of men?
How is he not?
>How does Mehrunes Dagon relate to the sun at all?
Mythic Dawn, there was also a theory that he is Xarxes or something.
>Why would Malacath be associated with language in any way?
Because Boethiah stole his precious voice.
>>47261023
What is more interesting is this Plemun related to Meridia. What is that?
The Azura, Rim of All Holes jape is a little bit funny. I suppose Vivec did it. It's always Vivec.
Something for the thread.
What's your favorite Vivec story?
I like the one about him going to edge of the sea, only to find mountains of rock resembling sharp teeth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that story is a reference to the engine limitations of the Morrowind game. In that the engine could bug out and generate spiky crazy terrain if you got far enough away from the mainland. I might be wrong. I thought it was a reference. :o
tl;dr FAVORITE VIVEC STORIES
>>47261023
>How does Mehrunes Dagon relate to the sun at all
He was crafted by the Magna Ge in the bowels of Lyg.
>>47261636
>What's your favorite Vivec story?
You mean lesson?
My favorite is Sermon 16 followed closely by Sermon 18. They are by far the most profoundly uncanny sermons in the 36 Lessons.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that story is a reference to the engine limitations of the Morrowind game
no, Redguard
>>47261741
Ah, thats what it was. Thank you kind scholar. :)
>>47261543
Google tells me a Plemum is either an assembly of all members of a group, or in a physics sense, "a space filled completely with matter or the whole of space so regarded."
It might be related to how she used to be a Magna-Ge?
>>47261684
Really? That's interesting - his whole ideas of revolution and causing chaos may be because some spirits were angry about creation and want it undone.
>>47258986
Anytime
>>47259696
I'm glad you like it! It's certainly not perfect, and it's certainly been a long road, but I'm glad someone enjoys what we've done.
Our upcoming (hopefully next week) patch is gonna address the XP issue.
Power Well is pretty much mandatory, yeah. It's sort of a side effect of going with Morrowind style magic. I've been considering an alternative trait tied to one of the birthsigns that limits your pool severely but allows you RAPID regeneration, giving you the ability to fire off lots of cheaper spells over a long period of time but limiting the powerful high cost shit you can use.
Not sure about implementation though. Working on that one.
>>47263353
Hello Seht!
Just wanted you to know me and my friends love the game as well! I'm currently running a game with it, and we are having a blast.
Keep up the amazing work. :)
You see those cliff racers? You can kill them.
>>47261023
>How is Sheogorath the comforter of men?
I believe the idea is that madness is for some a way to escape harsh realities. In Morrowind Sheo says this: "Do not believe madness to be a curse, mortal. For some, it is the greatest of blessings...a bitter mercy perhaps, but mercy nonetheless."
>>47263570
But you actually can kill cliff racers. Fuck you todd you fucking liar, you actively made it more difficult to climb the damn mountains
>>47263692
I'm pretty sure you can actually climb all mountains that don't border the other provinces, and even those can be scaled pretty far up
>>47263692
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Mountain_Climbing
>>47264778
uesp pls
>>47261023
>AZURA the Rim of all Holes
I'd Rim her Holes if you know what I mean
Can Hermaeus Mora be beaten, or dealt with at all since he basically seems to use his incredible knowledge to be a combination of Light Yamagi and Zhuge Liang on Fortify Intelligence potions
>>47265344
More importantly, did Mora invent the wheelbarrow? Was it originally a secrit Herma Mora cultist supertool until it got leaked?
>>47261023
Insanity is the comfort of man, as is music.
Besides the other interpretations, having the blazing sun as a mistress sounds like the Ambition he represents.
Foundation of Falling Rock is tricky. I doubt it's referring to destruction of Vivec, so I assuming it has to either be a metaphor for him being lowest on the totem pole, being representative of failure, or having to do with his cosmic body although that would fit Sheogorath better since he's an asteroid belt.
>>47265344
No. Unless you are a god, you really can't beat a Daedric prince.
>>47262391
>some spirits were angry about creation
He was designed to destroy Lyg and free its inhabitants. There are alot of parallels between him and the Numidium, and it seems that he is in some manner City-Face as presented in the Lessons.
>>47260591
Yeah, something people tend to forget is that Bretons and Dunmer not only have the highest bonuses to Mysticism, but that it's actually mentioned in book.
>>47265821
Bretons have a higher bonus to Mysticism, actually, as well as Conjuration and Restoration.
Dunmer are the best knife fighters in all of Tamriel, and are tied with Altmer for best at Destruction.
>>47265321
what's the original?
>>47265950
>>47265998
thanks
>>47265904
>knife ears being adept with knives
>>47263353
The upcoming patch sounds pretty damn great.
The alternative trait sounds like a good idea and it'll allow for more small-time spellcasting, but does it really have to be tied to one of the birthsigns? Why can't it be an adept/master level talent with prereqs and bonuses?
It could be an extension of the reduced magicka cost per DoS talents, even if I myself am not charmed by those talents. Or it could be a standalone talent.
As much as I like birthsigns, I'd like it more if alternatives could come through training (xp/crp use). If the talent shouldn't have the drawback of cutting down on magicka, then you could simply set up a prerequisite that the character does not have power well.
Then again, I am simply approaching this idea from a game-design perspective and I'd hardly know how to justify it in fluff.
Looking forward to it, man.
>>47265758
>Molag Bal is City-Face
>Molag Bal, who says everything is and can be, taking on Numidium, who says everything cannot be
Holy fuck that's amazing.
>>47265321
As crude as it sounds, it does make sense - if you stand at every hole, you decide what gets to fall in, or at least can influence how it falls.
Why is this weekend's edition so unsuccesful? Usually a new thread has to be made.
>>47268823
I'm so sorry.
>>47268823
I'm very busy. Sorry. I'll try harder come summer.
>>47268828
It's all your fault.
>>47268823
Aren't finals happening or some shit?
Do mages have to take finals?
>>47268920
Depends on the location - I'm done with my finals already, that was last week.
I wish Skyrim had done more with boats. When Oblivion has more boats than you do, you have a problem - especially when Skyrim is supposed to be full of not!vikings.
>>47268920
Arcane University is an university after all.
>>47269061
Marine/underwater stuff is seriously undeveloped in all the TES games.
>>47269082
They don't even have a god for water so I suppose it's appropriate.
>>47269239
Kynareth? She's most associated with air and sky, but she has reign over other elements as well. She's also the patron of sailors.
>>47269239
>Sotha Sil
>Hermamora
>Molag Bal
>>47269351
>sotha sil
>god
>>47269421
False god is still a god.
>>47269067
Would they take written tests?
Do you have to be literate to be a mage?
>>47269061
When I first found Vanua, I thought it was gonna be an underwater area
Was dissapointed
>>47269552
It's probably a safe bet that a mage would have to know how to read and write. You can learn how to cast through reading books, and conjuration would probably require at least basic Daedric runes to be written.
>>47269552
I imagine yes. There are also illiterate hedge-mages, of course, whose traditions are oral, but the Mages Guild is obviously a place of science. The Ald Ruhn guild hall even has a school for the poor who can't read.
Is there ANYTHING in the actual lore that reinforces the ESO's "Water is Memory" idea?
>>47269888
>>47269905
How far do you think a mage could fake it until being unable to read becomes an actual problem
>>47270188
Not far, any established mage would laugh at him at best.
Witch/warlock covens might be more accepting.
>>47270230
So blind people can't be mages?
>>47268920
>Aren't finals happening or some shit?
Yes, but I'm trying my hardest not to work.
>>47269082
True. The same goes for equestrian stuff.
If it's not in the focus of the game, it will usually receive limited information.
>>47269552
Most formal places of education would likely require it. More provincial, traditional forms of magical societies might work more off oral traditions.
The Temples of Julianos promote literacy.
>>47269967
I could swear I've heard the idea well before ESO.
Off the top of my head, I'd say that it might have to do with gods like Herma Mora and Sotha Sil also having connections to the sea, as well as knowledge/memory. Possibly Vaermina too. Maybe it has to do with the Waters of Oblivion.
The Annotated Anuad says that most of the Hist's land was lost under water because of the Ehlnofey War, and I think I've seen some take this as the creation of the ocean. I guess the idea is that the "fallen", or the lost memories of the war floods much of the world.
"The Drowned Lamp" of the 36 Lessons is apparently knowledge that is lost.
I have more, I think, but it's probably not something you'll like.
>>47270389
Sure, they just can't read.
>>47270389
I can't think of any blind people in elder scrolls games besides that bandit in white river watch that's writing an empty book
>>47270505
The Falmer, for example. As well as the numerous characters that fit in the "blind oracle" role. Like Moth Priests. And Daggerfall's Oracle.
>>47267633
No, not Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon.
>>47270589
Andthe Prophet
>>47269421
Oh wow, that image is fantastic
>>47270389
They can, I'm sure. Falmer are blind and can cast magic.
>>47270188
Only so far as their own limitations. I'm sure a very strong willed mage could work spells that normally require reading if trained or figure out themselves.
>>47270398
>I have more, I think, but it's probably not something you'll like.
Hit me.
>>47269967
Actually, yes. At least in Skyrim.
>Imagine living beneath the waves with a strong-sighted blessing of most excellent fabric. Holding the fabric over your gills, you would begin to breathe-drink its warp and weft. >Though the plantmatter fibers imbue your soul, the wretched plankton would pollute the cloth until it stank to heavens of prophecy. This is one manner in which the Scrolls first came to pass, but are we the sea, or the breather, or the fabric? Or are we the breath itself?
>Can we flow through the Scrolls as knowledge flows through, being the water, or are we the stuck morass of sea-filth that gathers on the edge?
I am forever swimming around, amidst this ocean world we call home. My limbs grow weak and weary as my eyes drift skyward in defeat. I remember how warm the earth felt, as I lived and breathed next to her beating heart. I remember enough to keep searching through an ocean of tears, raised to astronomical depths. My dreams offer solace, where I return to distant, faded times. Through trees entwined with cool autumn air, my sorrow is lured by fragrant, bittersweet memories. I am at home as much as my world and consciousness allow. I remember falling into the most beautiful lake I've ever experienced. She swallowed me whole, like a droplet, and I was enraptured and enwombed within her bliss. The lonely windswept desert sky of my soul was filled by her luminous stars and warmed by her sunlit radiance. I gazed downward in awe and saw it all reflected in the shimmering ripples dancing and playing about the surface. It appeared to me as real as the very wonders it was reflecting. I stepped forward to prove to no one and everyone that they were, by belief. For an aching instant I was betwixt the two and the summation. Confusion befell me and I fell through, only to realize I hadn't entered the lake, I had left it. With all of my remaining life I howled at the heavens and collapsed, like a star on the shores of my youth, as my life's breath wandered away from the home it had harbored. I have been drowning on dry land ever since.
cont.
>>47271215
I lay there, coital, for heaven knows how long. I felt eons ebb and flow in the spans of seconds. I lived as intently as I could in those endless instants, as the boredom of -after- droned on and on. The fires of my heart grew dim and became only the faintest embers of the roaring blaze they had once been. My limbs, heavy with the weight of the world, protested. I felt the longing of this life which slowly began to ease the agony in my heart. As I was gradually nursed back to health, knowledge of record and history tried desperately to fill the yawning, nauseous chasm of my soul. I began to know the deadpan search for freedom and forgetfulness, and I released the hold on my life. Though it still lurched, pained, in front of me, I just stared back with tired, vacant eyes as if watching the most fascinating of nothing. My mind drifted, only to be slammed back reluctantly, repeatedly, and painfully by those I vaguely remember knowing, as if from a different life and age. I try, in vain, to forgive and forget myself as I paste on those plaster smiles and strain to look levelly. I remember. I forget. I forget again. I remember less. I am saddened at the thought that I have forgotten. I am not who I used to be. Though it pained me so, I was never so real as those lonely, lost times of my undoing. I am torn asunder at the thought of losing forever that, which has changed my life eternally, and that which I fear in the depths of my soul will never be again. That, which has gifted me with more pain than I have ever known in all of my lives or all of the lives that I know through my own.
Who am I to ask this of you?
>>47270398
>I think I've seen some take this as the creation of the ocean
The Annotated Anuad quite blatantly states that the Ehlnofey War created the Oceans
>>47271188
>what is metaphor?
>>47271245
Are you seriously trying to tell me that I shouldn't look at Elder Scrolls lore and try to pick bits of metaphysical truth out of metaphor?
Guess the irc is down? I've never really used it before
>>47271245
>The Annotated Anuad quite blatantly states that the Ehlnofey War created the Oceans
Huh, so it does. Been a while since I read it.
>>47271302
Water is memory is gay and so are people who think so
>>47252345
I just want Highrock to look like Toussaint.
I will die happy
>>47271302
No, I'm seriously telling you to stop forcing meaning out of what is clearly not meant. The quote you pulled is not only from a book that is blatantly based in metaphor, but one that has practically nothing to do with the topic you are trying to associate it with to begin with. The book is trying to explain the experience of reading an Elder Scroll through metaphor, nothing of what is said in any way implies that memory is water.
