Pathfinder General - /pfg/
Familiars and animal companions thread.
Do you have a favourite /pfg/?
Old thread: >>47210810
Unified /pfg/ link repository:
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>>47220598
BIG
BLACKBirds
>>47220598
Definitely walrus. Simply for the time the GM will spend tacitly trying to talk you into taking something more appropriate for the setting.
>>47220598
I really like the thrush and raven, but cat familiars that are actuallysmarter than their sorcerer mastersare my favorite.
>>47220685
I didn't think Sorcerers could get familiars. Aren't cat familiars only INT 2?
>>47220766
>didn't know about the very first feature of the default sorcerer bloodline
>doesn't know about familiar Int scaling, the very first thing on their chart
>>47220806
No one ever played it around me, and I had no interest in sorcerers.
>>47220598
Giant Vulture. Perfect for my Sylvan Sorc!Pay no attention to the scent of grave dust. I ended up going Sylvan instead of Crossblood Fey/Undead because rusty dagger shanktown.
Gibbering Mouthers need good setup if you'd want them to be scary and not silly as fuck as they tend to be.
Just imagine the group walking into some filthy dungeon with barely any light, and everything has been mundane so far but sickly and shaking, nervous and distracted even when gutted with a sword. Then they wander into what looks like a bathroom, absolutely COVERED in black mold and other sort of dangerous and unclean growths. Party notices and looks inside of a huge tub, they don't have much strong light, but it's enough to reveal it's just full of meat. Rotten, slightly bubbly, glossy sickly meat, and it's covered in eyes and mouths. Dozens of them.
And the mouths talk. Quietly. Maybe one keeps repeating the word 'Help' over and over. Another hums nervously. Two more keep mumbling something about nervously denying responsibility for some unexplained crime. Three more keep making little cooing noises of contentment, like they know something nobody else does. One more keeps calmly demanding 'Come over here'. All while eyes stare, all sorts of eyes, kids eyes, old eyes, wide eyes, bloodshot eyes, crying eyes, filthy yellow-crusted eyes, some of them staring, others rolling, most just flicking around in a way that implies panic, as if seeing something that's moving around the room out of sight.
Then it begins to slough out of the tub, slowly. Like rotten bubblegum or rancid cheese, pouring down the sides. Just stretching and breaking apart as it heaves out fat thick waves of flesh, and most of the mouths start breathing very heavily, choking on air and spit, as those nervous, or excited, or terrified.
>>47220598
The Butterfly, from Dragon #323, page 98! (I have it laminated)
You can't actually just pick a butterfly! Instead, you have to start with a caterpillar (with mouse statistics; in Pathfinder, that means rat ones) that grants +3 to Disguise. You can order it to pupate at any time after you reach 5th+, which puts it completely out of commission for two weeks (no benefits to you whatsoever during this time). After two weeks, it emerges as a butterfly or moth (with thrush statistics; in Pathfinder, that means raven ones) that grants +3 to Spellcraft!
>>47220766
Arcane bloodline Sorcerer gets one by default, and the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype gives a tattoo familiar. The sorcerer can trade their first level bloodline power and delay bloodline spells by one level to get a familiar with a special bloodline effect. A regular familiar's minimum Int is 6. If you take the sage familiar archetype this turns into 5+master's level. I like to give my sorcerers around 14 Int because 4 SP/level is bare minimum for me. The sorcerer I want to run right now has unlearned as his flaw, meaning not only will his cat be smarter than him, but that cat will be /more educated/ as well.If you Polymorph Any Object your animal sage familiar into a humanoid race, would it be permanent?
Are there any relatively inexpensive (less than 2k) items that are generally well worth obtaining? This is in setting were food isn't really going to be tracked, nor carrying equipment unless it's ridiculous.
>>47220998
I just love Sleeves of many garments. Glamer your clothes for just 200gp!
All draconic types in my world have access to a human alternate form, their hair, eye andpubecolor all match their dragon type
This isn't too magical realm, is it?
>>47221027
I got the half-breed cloak of human guise since Imma half-breed. Does better!
>>47221031
>This isn't too magical realm, is it?
If you are asking, so it is.
>>47220674
>>47220891
..Spellcraft familiar? That sounds.. broken.
>>47220998
It's a meme, but 10 Foot poles are Fantastic. You'd be surprised at what they can do.
What's this comforting the lonely thing that seems to be overly popular?
>>47221031
Don't most dragons already do that?
>>47221031
Not really. Though I wonder what kind of players you have that they need to know if the carpet matches the drapes.
>>47221037
Ah, shit, I misheard you, now I'm stuck with this Cloak of Human Guys, there's blood everywhere, the authorities are after me, it's not good.
>>47221092
Most Metallics.
NONE of the Chromatics get it, nor do any Primal or Imperial Dragons.
>>47221047
Hah!
>>47221092
Nah, not the chromatics or even most of the metallics unless they specifically spell prep for it
>>47221084
It's a new vigilante talent. If they engage in an hour of pleasurable physical contact with someone, they get a pool equal to the higher CHA modifier of the two which they can use for Will saves or CHA skill checks.
>>47221084
A Vigilante talent from the newly released Inner Sea Intrigue.
People find it funny because:
A. It's basically ripped straight from the book of Erotic Fantasy
B. It's probably the best Social Talent available to Vigilantes.
>>47221127
Oh my god. They added Skinship Mode.
>>47221031
How does that work for Chromatics?
Circus/Freak Show; good cover for a spy network/secret wandering education facility or not?
On the one hand, its really obvious when they come to town, on the other hand who the fuck would suspect Bonzo the Clown of secretly smuggling secret files across borders and ruthless satire of morally deviant members of the aristocracy?
>>47221136
Plus, there's some /d/-style fun when combined with the Magical Girl archetype (who always has a familiar they can use) and, when you remember that according to the rules, an unconscious target is always considered willing.
>>47221147Headpats ahoy!
>>47220598
I've always wanted to play a Cowboy Wizard with Horned Lizard familiar
Don't these things just look so rad?
>>47221136
>>47221127
PUBLIC SAFETY ANNOUNCEMENT:Petyour paladin today
I'm trying to get a familiar that can auto pass umd checks on a nat roll of a 1. My main goal is something that can use a scroll of breath of life in case I die in combat which is like a DC 30 check even for the faerie dragon.
Evolved familiar sounds like a good plan intially but unfortunately, the character I plan on playing is also going to be dumping CHA.
Do I have any other options for boosting my umd score aside from a circlet of persuasion and maybe talking my gm into allowing masterwork tools for +2 skill?
>>47221136
It's fucking good.haha
>>47221163
Dunno, let's ask Path of War: Expanded
>>47221094
Cool as
You know, lewd handholding could lead to lewdsexings
>>47221031
Nope, although you could just leave it at "hair- and eye-color" with no problem of sounding fetishy too. It's a pretty simple and useful bit of lore for shapeshifting and opens up opportunities for storytellers to have a quick archetype to fall back on. "There once was a knight, who so dearly loved the silver-haired maiden with eyes like the moon..."
>>47221173
They have their weak spots.
>>47221195
Oh wow, that looks a lot better than the non-colored version.
>>47221162
I imagine reds would be really aggressive and pushy in getting what they want for example, or did you mean something else?
>>47221031
That last one wasn't necessary, since I think it's a given that the carpet would match the drapes
>http://pastebin.com/XQwAf2qR
Gonna ask again for advice on my build for The Iron Age, a melee wizard. For reference we are using Background Skill, Hero Points (which I forwent to get an Antihero feat), and The Elephant In The Room feat fix. Link for reference:
>http://theworldissquare.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/
How can I eek out a bit more? My save bench marks a bit low. Average DC I am gonna be looking at from a caster my level is gonna be around 18-19. +13 only gets me out of that 70% of the time.
>>47221200
Sweet, thanks heaps and falling back on tropes is the tried and true method and effective to boot
>>47221226
Nah, you'll be surprised how often the carpets don't match the drapes
>>47221175
But Anon,I AM the paladin.
>>47221272
Pet yourself, then!Heavily.
>>47221272
You heard me, soldier. Get topetting. Idle hands are chaotic hands.
>>47221136
Innocuous servant dhampir rogue. You can neck-romance memaster
>>47221453
>Innocuous servant
This is a Rogue Archetype?
>>47221453
>"Well, she's pretty good at what she does. Disarms traps, opens locks, sneaks around and all that. But when we're not busy with something, she keeps asking me to order her around, tell her to make tea, and stuff like that. It's kind of weird."
>>47221511
Even better, a Rogue Talent.
>>47221511
Read the linked image.
>>47221529
The bonuses are too small to make any real difference till level 8th, but the flavour is awesome.
I personally allow it to be +3/+6 instead of +2/+4.
>>47221529
>that super-subby rogueplz no, my dick can only get so hard
>>47221453
Wow, anon.
Your puns reallybite.Fangsfor the pain, buddy.
>>47221591
>THREE situational +3s
But anon, that's better than a Skill Focus! You're upsetting the perfect and eternal balance of the CRB! REEEE NERF NOW
>>47221641
you're welcome.
>degeneracy
>>47221648
I can see this argument to be serious in the Paizo forums, ESPECIALLY after the AMH discussion there.
>>47221679
Welcome to /pfg/, /tg/, and 4chan in general, paisan.
>>47220598
>Crapfinder General - /cfg/
Ftfy
>>47221591
>>47221648
>>47221529
I'm not finding that talent, is this a meme?
>>47221170
>>47221175
Welp, that's just great. We have 2 vigilantes who've both been arguing about who gets to court me. Does that mean I get to spend 2 whole hours being headpatted every day? Bonus: I am a high Cha kitsune whose Cha is evidenced by being the fluffiest thing ever. So headpats and tailfluffs? That sounds almost comical as a daily routine. Wake up, spend 2 hours being floofed, go fight evil, break up arguments about waifuing me.
>playing a character who's life is constant anguish
>physical an emotional pain
>tried to die to run away
>didn't work
>seeking more permanent form of death
Can't see redemption coming any time soon, too much self loathing.
>>47221701
Inner Sea Intrigue, bruh. Not on pfsrd yet.
>>47221727
>literally darthedgelord666
>>47221701
>>47221727
Why hello sir/madam, have you heard the good word of Abaddon yet?
>>47221715
Do you worship Shelyn, Arshea or Calistria? See if you can ask your GM to incorporate it into your daily preparing/regaining of spells/worship.
Also, there's nothing that says the one hour of pleasurable willing contact has to be once. Theoretically, multiple people could engage in pleasurable contact with you at the same time.
While you read your spellbook/holy text.
>>47221715
Honestly, I'm surprised they waited until there was a mechanical benefit for doing so before spending an hour a day each floofing you.
Would dropping Sneak Attack advancement at 1st level and 11th level be a fair price for full BAB on unchained rogue?
>>47221180
"For each skill in which either the master or the familiar has ranks, use either the normal skill ranks for an animal of that type or the master's skill ranks, whichever is better. In either case, the familiar uses its own ability modifiers."
Craft some +UMD custom wondrous item for your familiar. Pick the familiar with the highest Charisma score.Have another party member use the scroll on you.
What's pfg's opinion on paizo's newest releases?
>>47221727
>playing a character who is a servant of the lord of righteous executions
>he feels no sorrow at his duty, because he knows he is doing what is right
>he's actually channeling all his doubts about it into his strangely intelligent owl companion, who is a full-on douchey edgelord
>the edgelord owl can't communicate with anyone but my character, so he spends his time being broody and SKREEEing at stuff
Did IRavenlordincorrectly?
>>47221727
Damerrich is the one for you.
Let him determine your punishment and sentence for your crimes, and expedite this by following unto him
>>47221715
Nothing says that you can only engage with one person at the same time, so you could cut it down to 1 hour with simultaneous floofs.
>>47221817
Well, owls ARE fluffy little pillows of seething hatred. So I guess it checks out.
>>47221727
Boy that doesn't sound familiar at all.
Did he get the four orbs and upgrade his mech yet?
>>47221756
>>47221728
You guys got me.
Thanks, anons! This book has tons of fun social roleplaying additions. The best? Maybe not, but flavourful.
>>47221803
You mean like a Slayer...?
>>47221747
He isn't edgy. One can be a roil of self loathing and not be edgy. He has legitimate reasons to hate himself, however does not let it effect his work if at all possible.
>>47221769
He recently became the herald of a newly born gone after his time dead.
>>47221817
Bready good.
>>47220967
>If you Polymorph Any Object your animal sage familiar into a humanoid race, would it be permanent?
The real question is, if the cat is now a humanoid race, and is technically smarter than you, does it still count asbestiality?>news headline: "cat familiar not so smug after sorcerer learns high level transmutation"
>>47221841
>This book has tons of fun social roleplaying additions.
Yeah, right.
>>47221816
Inner Sea Intrigue is kinda meh with a few kernals of gold sprinkled about the shit.
That one new Magic book is kiiinda cool. I know I liked a lot of the options myself.
>>47221803
Yes. I mean the main benefit would be that you qualify for shit less painfully late than normal, since rogues position and buff/debuff for the easy kind of hitting already.
Still it's weird to be full BAB without martial weapons and hit points.
>>47221889
All hail the Hole Alchemist
>>47221854
Yes, except minus everything a Slayer has and plus everything an Unchained Rogue has.
>>47221880
Everyone has different interpretations of fun.
Orgasm touch is hilarious. I imagine its surprise use in a serious monologue with a big bad would cause quite a few laughs.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2773770/It-wrecked-life-Man-100-orgasms-day-breaks-describes-daily-hell-rare-medical-condition.html
>>47221901
Personally, I kinda like that one new curse that rapes martials by continuously laying penalties while also causing all thier equipment to gradually disenchant and break.
Can't wait for an asshole DM to use it on some poor sap
>>47221901
holy fuck that's a shitty archetype.
>lose progression to learn new spell!
Also, are you even allowed to take it? It alters discoveries twice!
>>47221901
Fuck the hole alchemist, all hail BLOODBORNE MAN!
>>47221951
>this is literally why martials can't have nice things
>>47221951
I'm fond of the one that shits on Kineticists, myself, simply because it follows that someone looked at the poor Kineticist and thought "Yeah, we should make a curse that shuts down all SLAs as long as the target has less than full HP."
>>47221827
I am unsure what he would do.
Here is the general series of events, going from the character's childhood to the current point in the campaign.
>hobgoblin born the son of a connected politician
>father is decrepit due to an injury in his younger days, but has proven himself clever and coniving in the political ring
>mother dies when he is young, hardly remembers her
>dance is perverse in the culture, character has a love for dance
>father ensures that said love is beaten out of him, gets son to fall in line to enter the military
>lives through the son to do the things the father could not
>character goes off to war, is a soldier for 20 years
>father grows bitter as his son continues to survive and accomplish, doing the things he could not and yet his son wishes he could simply peruse the arts, despises being a soldier
>sort of a "you have what I always wanted but you throw it away" thing
>sets son up for political marriage
>married, has child
>child likes dance as well, character hopes to through her
>wife beats the kid for this shit
>character leaves to go on a campaign
>upon his return the kid is dead, apparently beating went too far, wife is hiding it
>in a fit of rage he strangles his wife
>at the funeral his father not only tells him he has another marriage partner lined up, but that he knew everything and pushed it towards this end
>character during the funeral in a back room throttles his father
>it becomes public knowledge he killed his father
>all the threads of political intrigue fall apart, character is brought to trial and near 100% execution
>character accept this, waits for death to be the end of it
>is saved by one of the highest ranking people in the nation, instead decided he will serve as a living joke and reminder to others
>really the person saw a use for the character and considered his death a waste
>is given his own military unit and given the rank of Major, the military unit is made of rejects
(1/2)
>>47222003
oh gods, lemme guess.
It counts nonlethal from burn as being less than full.
>>47221992
>Avoid playing Tiny Music Boxes around him
>>47222015
Why didn't he just leave the fucking continent in like year 2 of those first 20.
Like, seriously. Is he into this? Is he only feeling alive when he's maximal angst and edge?
That's it isn't it. He fucking gets off on this stuff.
>>47221992
But anon, blood hexes are shit
>>47222015
>sent on suicide missions, character proves again he has a talent for coming back alive
>decides that appearances don't matter now that his father is gone, begins to dance
>becomes inter planar dance sensation
>ends up losing several years at planar dance competition
>ends up going on a spirit journey/training thing to the feywild to contact an exiled fey noble to teach him to dance
>the culture they are in for goblinoids has memory being extremely important, memories are alive and as real as the actual person they are of
>dancing is his way of ensuring he is remembered and thus his dead child by extension
>also means his father is, but is secondary
>defeats the matriarch of the blue kobolds in a dancing grudge match with another party member
>is forced into a political marriage with the daughter of the green kobold matriarch
>has kids again
>fears becoming his father after realizing he has tendencies to act like him (the living through another stuff)
>the memories of his father are stronger than ever, so he has him peaking over his shoulder
>starts taking more missions, and finally ends up dying
>goes to the abyss
>campaign continue on a separate arc and the character manages to return, dying didn't work
>kids are born at this point, and he learns in kobold culture you cul weak children
>can't bring himself to do that but knows his wife would, so now he can't leave for fear of them being hurt but can't stay either for fear of him hurting them
>filled with doubt
>was thrust into the latest leg of the campaign
>is technically an outsider still, so if he dies now he is gone forever
>wife got turned to stone during this section
>unsure if it would be better if he die or stay
Also at some point he became a psionic gained a psicrystal. It's the bully personality and full of his aggressive negative emotions. So it's taking on a demeanor similar to his father.
So, bad times.
As someone who doesn't know a thing about psychic magic, what are some great spells you can get with Psychic Preparation?
>>47222093
Family is important, also fear of his father. Family is the most important thing even if one does not like who their family is. The only time he went against that was when he snapped, which happened twice in quick succession. He was willing to overlook it otherwise.
Also because he was a soldier and a patriot. Abandoning his duty as a soldier is not something he could reconcile until after his life had already fallen apart.
>>47222003
Wait, you mean the Abeyance Blood Hex?
>>47222093
>Why didn't he just leave the fucking continent in like year 2 of those first 20
Everyone doesn't have the courage or the inclination to immediately just walk out on a shitty home life. especially if you grew up in such a situation.
>>47222143
Read that again, anon. You don't get any new spells, you just get to cast your wizard spells as psychic instead of arcane. It's just Still+Silent metamagic for the cost of one.
>>47221992
Jesus christ those abilities are soul-crushingly bad even before you remember their per-day uses limit (CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE TO TRACK) and no-same-creature-in-24-hours clause. Like even with NEITHER restriction and given the feat investment for free, it's a retardedly hard sell to want to use one over any other actions you could think to take.
>>47221790
If only I had daily spell prep, I'm a bard and I'm not quite sure how that would work. I worship Cayden(in the mechanical "qualifies for feats" sense) and Shelyn(in the fluffy sense).. I would love to have this as part of the daily routine though, so if you have an idea, I want to know. I'm sure the GM would be game.
>>47221791
They've tried. Mostly they've argued and thus failed the attempt via getting in each other's way/scaring me off/whatever. my guess is that this will motivate them to enter "I will protect her smile" mode. These guys are great.
>>47222015
I have the perfect idea.
Have him soon realize that it's all the political intrigue and Old Guard politics that caused his life to suck like this. And now that his father, the guy who ruined his life and allowed his son to die, is dead, there's nothing keeping him tied down anymore.
So, he's going to take his rejects, abandoned ones, washouts, and refuse, and they're going to turn thier backs on the sons of bitches who scorn them.
Basically, find for them a goal or ideology to unite behind, preferably an ambitious or personal one. Then go full Outer Heaven/Apocalypse Now/Inglorious Bastards with your army.
You are Knights, you are dogs, soldiers of fortune and glory. beholden not to anyhome. Then, become the baddest mofo around, to the point that even your old nation now fears you and would avoid pissing you guys off.
Also, burn your family holdings to the ground, and deface your dad and wife's grave
>>47222244
Ignore this, was typing before I read part 2
Such is the problem of browsing while on mobile
Welp. Game ain't happening tonight; GM is going through some personal stuff this week and I hope they get to feeling better here soon.
Since I won't be experiencing Mythic nonsense this week, tell me about your last session, /pfg/! How about character plans?
>>47222214
Perhaps while tuning your instrument?
>>47222244
>>47222214
Cayden is all about having fun and relaxing.
How you worship that is all about you. If you relax and praise he who encourages such freedom, sit on a lap and have your tail floofed and ears petted.
Have a drink while you're at it.
>>47222244
In a lot of ways he did this, it didn't help.
>>47222190
Essentially.
>>47221715
>Kitsune bard
>multiple people trying to court you
>fluffiest thing everTitsune poster, is that you?
>>47222138
>>47222015
Also after his time dead he became the herald of a newly born god, who is actually a PC who was previously in the game (my characters entered into the game later, the other was in the game since the beginning).
>>47222289
Last session the group of monsterous PCs were trying to break out of drow experimental testing facility jail so they could get on to being pirates (they chose to do this intro rather than just describe how we all met and knew each other to start out on a meager boat).
We are gestalted, I am a kasatha brawler/stalker and also predetermined to be the captain. We ran into the prison warden who was a crimson countess harbinger/vivisectionist and also at least 4 levels above us. That fight was not tactical at all, but she eventually failed her save against a hold person while the rest of the guys were taking their crimson claim+Drain damage.
I rolled heal and did a nonlethal Coup de grace. Next session, unless we miss again, my character will be carrying the comatose warden, 4 swords, and armor while still being in light load as a dex character.
I had plans for her since the GM mentioned the warden weeks before game started. Most of it involved harembuilding with women of exotic races.
Is there some spreadsheet to automate loot management? This shit is a serious pain in my ass.
>>47222244
>>47222349
no.
>>47222299
I now have the most comical image in my head.
>being floofed
>gunslinger comes in
>"what are you doing?"
>"worshipping"
>>47222349
I don't think so. Either Coincidence or I somehow earned a name I didn't know I had. Who're we talking about?
>>47222289
No game currentlylast group was very bad, played at awful times and transportation was an issue for everyone, so I split.
Hoping for another soon
>>47221803
I'd throw in 1d6 more. Or just play a slayer and act as a rogue :P .
All kitsune stories on /pfg/ are bullshit FYI.
>>47222349
why would you think that?
>>47222774
That's fine. All stories on /tg/ are bullshit, or might as well be.
>>47222789
If all evidence of an event is removed, who can say if it happened or not? Likewise if there is no evidence to begin with.
In the end, reality is what we make of it, and an unfounded lie is no different to an unfounded truth.
>>47222679
mmmm.
I'm newt gingrich, and I approve this image.
giggity.
>>47222860
Time travelers
>>47222774
I'd try to refute this, but considering the kinds of shit my group has done to my PCs I don't think I want to.
2nd pass of my homebrewed VMC rules for Ertw's Beguiler. Looking for opinions/critiques.
http://pastebin.com/K4Vd2Auc
So, has anyone here actually used the Chargen tables from Ultimate Campaign before?
And no, the Vishkanya Harbinger /pfg/ made does not count
>>47222989
We also made a Human Cavalier a good while back.
Casual player here.
Could you guys help me to find a campaign setting that I think it was for Pathfinder and probably released by Paizo? (not sure tho)
I don't remember the name of the setting, I crossed with it some years ago, all I remember is that it was quite different from the old "Sword and Sorcery" formula, the character used no steel armor and looked quite barbaric/primitive, I think it was set in a tropical island and as far as I remember, the weapons were made of obsidian and other rocks.
I'm looking for it has been a while. Thanks.
>>47222956
Now imagine a kineticist VMC
>At level 1 you have to choose your elemental focus
>At level 3 you gain Burn
>At level 7 you gain the basic utility wild talent of your elemental focus
>At level 11 you gain Elemental Overflow, using half of your character level as your kineticist level.
>At level 15 you gain a simple blast of your element, using half your character level as your kineticist level.
>At level 19 you gain Gather Power
>>47223079
You just HAD to write it out for them to put in the next book didn't you.
>>47222956
It looks good to me this time, now that you've updated the 7th level power to be useful to any class.
>>47223079
burn does nothing until you have sources to gain it
elemental overflow does nothing until you can gain burn
the basic utility and simple blast, having no infusions, cannot gain you any burn
gather power reduces burn cost of things you do not have.
10/10, Occult Intrigue ready for shipping.
Are the blood hexes shit? That's fucking disappointing
>>47223540
Not all of them, but they're mostly underwhelming.
>>47222679
I think my favorite thing about this picture is that there's an actual anatomy there, instead of just goofy plastic tubes. Bones, muscle groups even fat.tits are fake though
>>47221727
Don't worry anon, I can literally only play depressed characters. Anytime I try to make a character be happy it always comes across as forced or awkward, so I typically make characters who are bleak and hopeless.
>>47220879
Written down it sounds great, I don't know how I'd read that to the players and get a good response though.
What is thethickestcharacter you've ever played?
>>47224313
A middle-aged Barbarian with a drinking problem.
He was definitely a strong-fat.
>>47224313
An Oread Barbarian. Solid granite, that girl. Dense material.
Has anyone used roll20? I really want to play more pathfinder since my university society's campaign has finished, and I'll be going home over the summer where we are still playing d&d 3.5 and will probably only play like four times before the next academic year.
Is roll20 decent if you live in the UK, what with timezones and all that?
>>47224313
I played a character who had Enlarge Person routinely cast on him. He was a bit dumb too. So all kinds of thick.
On the opposite side, I have a druid in my party who routinely shifts into a Quickwood. A huge plant, but only takes up a 5ft space. So he's just stupid tall.
>>47224366
Roll20's pretty alright, yeah. Just need to get used to it though. I love the character sheets because it rolls everything for you at once and does the math for you automatically too.
>>47220598
Roc Companion best Companion
>>47224313
Kobold barbarian. She had the hips of a girl a size category larger than her. A thick girl.
>>47224543
Agreed, though I do wish they eventually grew to full size. It would be like having your own airliner. That eats whales.
>>47224313
Relatively speaking? My bookworm Halfling archaeologist. She never exercised a day in her life, at least before snake skeletons started chasing her.
Flat measurements? My Ifrit barbarian. He was muscly.
>>47224313
A human Cleric, actually.16 Con, 16 Cha
Does a Kineticist's blast require emotional and thought components?
>>47224730
No, why would it?
>>47224543
>>47224589
MFW stuck with Giant Vulture
>>47224739
A player in my group wanted to know and I can't be assed looking at that shit class.
>>47224800
It's a SLA not a spell, only psychic spells have those components. It's also the only good class from the book, even then only if you build it as a rogue replacement/combat controller.
>>47224787
Fuck you man, Vultures can be bretty cool
>>47224833
>only good class
Spiritualist, Occultist, and Mesmerist are way more interesting and effective than Kinetishit.
>>47224877
Yet all those can easily be replaced with a better class (mostly wizard or sorcerer variants). Kineticist is the only strict improvement I've seen that can't be better done with another class and even then it can be ignored as you don't need a rogue, only reason why I'm planning on running one is because I'm in an overloaded party and not allowed anything approaching a full caster.
>>47224929
>Wizards
>not boring
>>47225013
I know, there's a reason why I usually go martial or completely absurd builds. The rules are just for me and the other practiced player in the group, who is responsible for a lot of nasty 3.5 shit (including bumping the artificer to tier 0 and Pun Pun, shocker it was the same guy).
>>47224800
>GM not knowing how their player's class works
They could be slipping stuff past you without you even knowing.
>>47224929
Occultist is a very elegantly designed class with good thematics and hard to fuck up. Recommended for players who want to be casters but don't know what spells are good.
>>47224929
>can't be better done with another class
Magus, Sorcerer, Oracle.
And those are just the 1pp options
>>47225075
>playing a caster with no idea what they're doing
Mostly a joke, we've actually got a party of mostly casters and half casters with little to no experience. But seriously, a player should always aim to know their character better than their GM if only so that they don't need to constantly refer to rules and delay play.
Dual wielding crossbow build. Is such a thing viable? Is it possible to come close to decent accuracy, given you're taking -4 on both attacks before penalties for rapid shot/iteratives?
>>47225064
>Claiming to be in the same group as the guy who originally wrote Pun Pun
>>47225130
If you have a third arm for reloading, it could be alright
>>47225124
Yes, but a GM should also aim to have at least a decent understanding of how all the PC's characters work, for a lot of reasons.
Know how to challenge them, know how to not accidentally kill them, be prepared for any abilities with narrative power and know their limits, etc
>>47225130
have another dual xbow
>>47225134
At the very least he wrote the guide to get infinite everything (and thanks to our GM he got it up to infinite on the last thing that was only nigh infinite).
>>4725150
I totally agree which is why I tend to do that for a GM and advise when requested (my old GM admitted to throwing problems at us with no idea how to solve them expecting us to get through, he wasn't wrong in doing so since he had three power gamers at the table).
>>47225183
That woman is almost definitely not wearing underwear.
>>47225064
>other practiced player in the group, who is responsible for a lot of nasty 3.5 shit (including bumping the artificer to tier 0 and Pun Pun, shocker it was the same guy).
>>47224838
Yeah, but when you compare it's stats to a Roc it's a fucking joke.
>>47225204
Or she's wearing a leotard.I'm okay with either DESU
>>47225204
Depends on your definition of underwear, she could have something taped in place or something.
>>47225219
Wish I was lying, didn't believe him at first either. Least I can school him on anything outside of 3.5 and pathfinder (not that he's ever made a PF character before, it's just close enough that he knows all the bullshit to look for). Somebody save me.
>>47225064
Yeah man Gary Gygax was my GM, you know how it goes LOL
>>47225268
Bah. PF is a lot less heavy on bullshit loops and exploits than 3.5
>>47225130
Just had a thought. Presumably if you took a two-level dip in alchemist, you could get an extra arm discovery and then take a feat for another arm. This would mitigate the -2 penalty for firing one handed and allow you to reload the crossbows.
Now I just need to find a gestalt game so I can go full paladin up one side, alchemist 2/bolt ace X up the other.
Okay anon. I'm gonna torture myself in 15pt Core only campaign for a little bit. Don't worry though, this is just for helping a new GM getting more familiar with the system, (hopefully) we will be moving on to more fun stuff soon.
I want to teach the new player (and GM) about character build versatility of 3.5 system. What is the best multiclass and/or prestige class build for this?
Ranger/Wizard/EK?
Paladin/Sorc/DD?
Since the other guys are all new to TRPG in general, I think they are going to be Healbot Cleric, Blasting Wizard and a dickass Rogue/Bard or something like that.
>>47225307
Ha ha.
>>47225311
Thankfully, he's still able to do some BS with full casters. I'm interested in what he'll do with his girlfriend's character since she's brand new and playing a sorcerer in this one.
>>47225365
>Ha ha.
Wish I was joking.
>>47225204
ever hear of a 'c-string'?they also come in mens
>>47224833
>the only good class from the book
But Anon that's the opposite of true.
>>47225348
Well, you said someone else might choose Bard, but personally I feel that's one of the best for showing some diversity
Druid might be a good idea. If it wasn't Core only, I'd have a suggestion for how to make a functional Mystic Theurge.
Though personally, from your two choices I think the EK might be good to go, especially if you build a Buff/Control/Utility Wizard to balance out the blaster wizard
When I first introduced my group to PF, I started with a Barbarian, to help show the problems with Fighters, but that's just me
>>47225495
If I'm not there to teach people about game mechanic stuff, I would totally choose Druid or Cleric. Roc or Tiger companion would totally overshadow all the martials.
>>47225477
It's tier 3 and better than the class that it replaces, I consider that good. The others don't really do a better job except as fluff than the alternative builds for other classes.
Oh wow, Sword Saint is so fucking shit.
>>47225477
Maybe there are other good ones that I just haven't done the research needed to see. I don't know, as I've said I'm more into more martial classes. I don't like playing a character that ends up effectively being a god later in the game, I prefer being a cog in the machine that is the party to being the party itself and I can't help but try to optimize.
>>47225603
Kineticist isn't better than anything.
>>47225603
>Kineticist
>Tier 3
Kek no. It's T4 AND ONLY IF you optimize it strongly, because otherwise it averages at around Core Monk levels of suck
>>47224313
Middle-aged overweight-ish Heavens Oracle.
I say overweight, but he's more "stout" than anything, since we rolled stats and he had 18 Con 14 Str (17 and 13 after middle age penalties). Played it as stout, but muscled, more strongfat than anything else. Nice guy, very jovial and outgoing.
>>I'm iffy on PF tiers, could have sworn that the rogue was up around 4 and a telekineticist built to act as one is definitely a tier above whatever a rogue is.
>>47225659
I dont think so. Considering what you're swapping out.
>>47225477
Wow... so many wrong facts in here. Do /tg/ really believe in this meme?
> Less damage than Warrior
already proven false by a freaking buildposter
> CMB stuff are worthless
you apply your overflow bonus on those, so you are effective a full BAB class for CMB.
> AoE shit eating through half burn
Torrent and Wall are already free by the level you get them
> No AC
Water,Earth
> Melee combat
Blade,Whip
>>47225684
wrong again. Kineticist is deliberately design to be T4 with low floor and ceiling.
It will perform adequately as a T4 whether you optimize it or not. And it will never do above 30-40% HP damage to opponent of equal CR (unless you pull out burns).
Seriously, it been a year and you haven't bother reading the actual class and its feature?
>>47225745
Core Rogue is T5. Unchained with access to archetypes eeks into T4
>>47225759
You also have to factor in the temp HP from aether, especially when GMs rule it as working for burn. Then there's various ways to get invis or miss chance and even just plain old make a giant forcefield.
>>47225665
>I don't like playing a character that ends up effectively being a god later in the game
Don't worry, if you play a kineticist, you won't.
>I prefer being a cog in the machine that is the party
Don't worry, if you play a kineticist, you won't.
>>47225755
That's at worst an even trade, since you get Rogue-level damage on a single attack per day against a single enemy, up to 7 different enemies per day. It's pretty terrible.
Which PoW discipline was the iaijutus (quick draw samurai shit) discipline again?
And what class is best suited for it?
>>47225856
Mithral Current. Bushi.
>>47225836
We've got a large party already, I'm playing this to do rogue stuff and be party support to all the noobs. If I was serious I'd probably be playing something from PoW or going for a half caster or even a weak full caster if I could swing it.
>>47225856
Mithral Current is the Discipline, the Bushi class template can be applied to the Warder, Warlord, or Stalker. Personally, I like it best on the Stalker because you can stack it with some of the other archetypes.
>>47225905
I'd suggest playing a Slayer then, they're basically a Fighter, Rogue, and Ranger all mixed together to be an effective and usable T4 non-magical character.
That's my plan if this one dies, I'm kind of trying to go easy on the party (the GM doesn't need it) and want to take the chance to play something dumb, specifically a telekinetic hobgoblin fortune teller. I'm actually buying a harrow deck for it just to add to the idiocy. Plus it combos with the party since we have a grenadier and a few melee that will easily be able to get launched by foe throw.
>>47225759
People who think kineticist is bad don't even make sense, they just kind of rant.
Kineticist is the only class capable of all-day AoE with no resources spent. They can do this at level 2. A lot of parties have trouble dealing AoE damage, especially on the level a kineticist does, so the kineticist fills an actual niche that is not filled by other classes and does it in an interesting fashion.
Put this way, it literally cannot be lower than Tier 4; It has a niche and fills it, doing it better than most, though other classes may butt in on it and possibly do it better(e.x. fireballs from wizards). It fills this niche without even considering utility talents and defense talents.
Next, we can look at how they fill in on other roles and what utility they bring. They have cantrip-level powers right out the box, a defensive ability that varies heavily but can be quite decent, and an effective array of utilities that can be used to specialize or branch out as pleased.
In this sense, utility wild talents are at least on the level of other 'talents' from other classes. Better, perhaps, because they often replicate the abilities of other spells. This means they can get into other niches in a pinch, though they won't uproot anyone in the process.
Chassis; d8, 3/4ths, two good saves, 4 ranks/level. Very middle of the road. This cannot be interpreted as a strength or a weakness.
Constitution and Dexterity based class. THREE dump stats; strength, charisma, intelligence(4 skills/level, limited class skill list). They are two-attribute dependent, which puts them on the level of most spellcasters in that regard; except their major attributes happen to be two of the best attributes. Thus, you can rely on high HP(excepting burn), good initiative, acceptable AC, acceptable saves.
I can't put it any lower than Tier 3. WARPRIEST and HUNTER are in that tier, for fuck's sake.
>>47225886
Thanks. mate.
>>47225926
Stalker? Stalker seems odd to me, no idea why.
Is rubato any good?
>>47221901
I was excited for a second when I saw a new magus archetype, but
>Spell Trapper
For fuck's sake, Paizo still can't write a magus option that isn't terrible. Who the hell do they think was sitting around wishing they could play a magus that could trade spell slots for ranger traps?
>>47226049
I dunno, to me Stalker just makes sense, especially with Bushi. By level 6 you could be constantly cycling through different strikes by sheathing your weapon every turn. You could even hit people at range by cycling the two ranged strikes from Mithral Current.
I think the Rubato is good, though I haven't looked into it too much.
>>47226094
Stalker's critical enhancing class abilities always felt weird to me.
Don't hide it from me, /pfg/
Tell me about yourlewdestcharacters
>>47226146Scruffy middle-aged Slayer that knocked up a whole bunch of women over the course of the campaign.
>>47226146
Do you care if they're PF or even ours? I have a fun story that fits.
>>47225843
Yes, but what does it trade out?
From memory, Mount and Banner.
>>47226146
A loli fey adept who used her illusions (herself in other costumes of varying degrees of cuteness) to hug enemies and distract the shit out of them.
>>47226179
Post it
>>47226013
Eventhough, I really like the class. I would still put them in tier 4 myself (except for maybe Aether, there is so much you can play around with it).
>>47226146
Warlord Lilly. She also happens to be one of my more stoic characters I've made.Not sure if it'd be much of a thing on a blue board, but here's a link just to be sure.http://i.imgur.com/TIFO593.png
>>47226013
>all-day AoE
Aoe is no good if you're shit at it. It's better to permanently drop one target than to do trivial damage to lots of targets.
Wizards, sorcerers and psions are where it's at when you need a little bit of powerful aoe.
>>47226146
I played a Barbarian and re-enacted the myth where he impregnated 50 women in one night.
Exhausted the next day, but worth it.
>>47226146
I straight up played a worshiper of Lamashtu that got mounted by the Cavalier's horse.With the Cavalier's permission under the stipulation he got to watch.
>>47226219
Damnit, autocorrect turning Hercules into "he" for some reason.
>>47225843
Yes, but what does it trade out?
From memory, Mount and Banner.
Archetypes are supposed to be even trades.
>>47226205Don't know what he's complaining about. Of all the ways to break one's neck, that's probably the best.
>>47220598
>tfw my players always go for bonded items
life is suffering
familiars are cool
>>47226205
Dorian, I need you to understand something.
Throughout all your drawings, you seem to have a certain motif in certain images that transcend race, class or campaign. Lilly commenting on skinny arms, Elsbeth pinching cheeks, it dawns on me you need to create a new character that embraces the ideas you have already brought forth in your work.
An ara ara~ MILF, preferably adventuring with one of her children, and takes on the role of Party Mom.
>>47226013
>uses "all day" as a sticking point
>claims a Monk Chassis is okay
>not only is burn retarded, but it has a scaling cap to prevent its more useful options until much later
>your damage is shit, and with its scaling as it is you're much better off playing a Spherecaster with Destruction.
>most all of the useful infusions require minimum of 2 burn, which again you are limited since you have to eat a bit for your Burn-per-round cap to increase
>or you can waste your move actions or full rounds with Gather Power, which really isn't a good thing
I will agree that the defensive talents and that most utility talents not costing burn are good things, but still this class is far too limited in the wrong places.
Really, if I wanted to play a Kineticist type character, I'd play a Spherecaster, since I can also branch out of Destruction for added utility
>>47226191
SR campaign a few years ago, the party ended up getting an NPC named Elsa (lots of frozen jokes were made especially when it was revealed that she was focused in ice magic, the pre-written campaign even predated the movie). The party face died and we got permission to use her, since she was unstated, instead of making one from scratch. Ended up giving her mind control and memory rewriting spells in addition to the ice. Last session comes along. We take out the second strongest NPC's ride and her, our tank (an orthodox jewish orc from New York who went by the Hebrew Hammer) kills both of the mooks with his sledge hammer. Turns out one of the mooks was NPC's husband and they were enlisted by somebody else who kidnapped their kid, Elsa decided to rewrite her memory so my character was suddenly her husband (and she wouldn't get a save for about three years). We move on to the next combat with the new NPC under my control (bad move, I already broke summoning and she was damn good at that). We bring down the big bad, the strongest NPC in the campaign. Elsa mind rapes him into being her obedient fucktoy (yes, those words were used and the player offered to give exact terms) who wouldn't get a save for around sixteen years. I fear for what would happen if our GM wasn't graduating because Elsa wanted herself a harem. Turns out the ice queen ran a bit hot.
>>47226146
I've already told /pfg/ about the results of me making a Kitsune Enchanter Sorcerer as a joke character for a oneshot. No matter what I try to do with this guy, somehow it manages to be someone in my group's fetish. The fact that enchantment magic could mindfuck people somehow only encourages them. It gets surreal when I think back on the things I've just played along with out of curiosity.
I still want to play him in a real campaign, though, if only so I can show the group that he's an asshole they should probably stop liking so much.Knowing my luck they'll just love him even more, then try to put him in a dress again.
>>47226188
>>47226188
Like this?
>>47226292
..This must happen. I do believe it shall become a thing! But where to start? Elsbeth and Lilly are older characters of mine and I found a few opportunities to build them for a game or two. I might have a MILF character or two buried in my older designs, but I can't promise anything off-hand; also I highly doubt I'll get to piece them together for a game either.
Kinda funny though: one of my first thoughts was Lilly adventuring with her daughter when she came of age, but really Lilly would likely be far too busy running a country than running around and bashing skulls anymore.
>>47226146
Back in 3e I made a warlock.
Spammed chilling tentacles everywhere.
Every. Where.
EVERY. WHERE.
And then I got a lot more creative and started throwing bottles of aphrodisiacs over my tentacles.
Everything went uphill from there
>>47226146
I rolled a Shortstack Busty HalflingThis was her character sheetThats the original. I sent a cropped one to my DM
>>47226146
Sylph Primal Air Sorceress. Felt like she wasted her youth (35 is kind of old for Golarion or any other setting apparently) and mostly worries about two things - doing something good in the world before she gets arthritis and placating Hsurha so her soul doesn't suffer TOO much on the Plane of Air.
The others are all either "innocent" or "disinterested."
>>47226387
sumfing like dis?
>>47226146
Definitely the alchemist. When I found out just how deep in a party member's Magical Realm I'd made him, I dedicated myself to teasing her mercilessly about it. Lewdness eventually ensued, along with more teasing.Ended up dating the player. Tease her to this day.
>>47226387
>>47226428
Could one ara ara agoblin?
>>47226354
>They'll just love him even moreYOU KNOW HOW THIS GOES
>>47226446
Not a Golarion Gobbo
Now, a Kobold on the other hand...
>>47226387
Why not a full-blooded Elf? That would make sense for a character that's able to adventure with their children and still keep up.
Or maybe a Kitsune, a mature fox-woman brushing her daughter's tails while commenting about the boys in the party could be adorable.
>>47226146
>Megumin lost in the LNs
>>47226505
>Or maybe a Kitsune, a mature fox-woman brushing her daughter's tails while commenting about the boys in the party could be adorable.
Sweet Jesus, I didn't know I needed this until now.
>>47226387
I say you could try branching out to the less common races. I mean, you've proven you can draw inhuman things well with your gardevior and blaziken, so maybe challenge yourself with a Hobgoblin, Kasatha, or something
>>47226485
Funny thing, she can already be into her ara-ing by the time you hit 20.
Talk about a changing relationship...
>>47226510
But she won in our hearts.
>>47226551
KOBOLD.
>>47226458
I JUST WANTED TO PLAY A CHARACTER WHOSE MARBLES AREN'T ALL THERE, ANON. HE WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE CUTE ON THE SURFACE.
>>47226146
>mfw my Brawler's mom is an Heavens Oracle who grew up with Arshea's clergy and has stayed with them since
>mfw the first thing she asked him about after getting a letter he sent from Sandpoint was if he was in a relationship
>mfw the poor guy's got a reputation to uphold as the "young idealistic Andoren boxer"
>pic is an older design of Lilly's+Ori's kid
>May be due for an update sometime soon depending on how things go.
>>47226428
A start! But a bit of a given considering our end goal, I'm sure.
>>47226446
>>47226485 has a point.. Golarion gobbinz good waifus do not make.
>>47226551
Also worth noting!
>>47226505
>>47226538
>>47226568
>Kitsunes
>Kobolds
A few other propositions. I think a better place to start might be picking out a campaign setting; races and cultures can vary wildly, so it might be wise to try and pin down where they're from to flesh out how they may behave and interact.
>>47226585
>>47226505
>>47226538
>>47226610
Thirding for Kitsune, I want to see the artists take on that shit.
If these aren't Golarian Kitsune,they BETTER BE FOX YOUKAI INSTEAD OF FURSHIT.
>>47226603
Could have been worse. She could have set him up with a girl on his next visit.Or arranged a marriage.
>>47226610
Kitsune orJel, though I'm not sure if you could inject them into golarion
