Is it ever feasible to attach a chain to your weapon like this?
>>47207494
Yes, but not to twirl the main weapon around like a moron.
You can use the chain as a chain + weight weapon, providing you an extra weapon. You can also use the entire weapon to ensnare, tangle, trip, or catch blades.
You can also wrap the chain around your arm to prevent disarming.
>>47207494
It's a real weapon, so probably. I'm guessing it was pretty niche though.
The Kusari-gama was a real weapon, quite effective in duels but very niche, since it requires a large open environment to work. A crowded battlefield, a forest or even a hallway can cripple your attempts to use it.
Then again, in a ridiculous over the top fantasy game, go fuckin' nuts.
>>47207494
The proper question is "Is it ever feasible to attach a weapon to your chain like this?"
>>47207544
>>47207557
The Edo period saw a lot of weirdass weapons, mostly because of changes in weapon laws, the fact there were no real battles and wars anymore, no one really wore heavy armor anymore (if any at all), and any fighting that did happen was just going to be a street brawl.
>>47207627
What other weird weapons were there? I think a weird weapons thread would be more /tg/.
>>47207627
Street brawl best brawl, barnyards and bars need not compete.
>>47207494
>throw your weapon
>haul it back
>throw it again
>>47207557
Would like to make note that it was more versatile and allowed one to wrap the chain around an arm, or be thrown by hand or used to grapple opponents or trip up others as shown here: >>47207544
It only required the open environment in terms of employing it's reach, but it's not a polearm. Could be used in melee and tight quarters as easily as it could be used with reach.
>>47207661
A lot of weapons disguised as other things, man catchers and other non-lethal types, disarming weapons, and small concealable/easily portable type stuff.
>>47207544
I wonder if it really worked as intended. You'll rarely catch a lone horseman in battle.
>>47207752
All those images aren't of the same weapon.
>>47207776
>>47207752
Also, the further back you go in Japanese warfare the more likely you were to encounter lone horsemen.
Even during the Sengoku period samurai fought more like Dragoons than actual charging cavalry.
>you'll never use a sword so large its only fesible use was for cavalry to strike without getting struck in return
>>47207923
in this age of snipers and artillery, our swords need to be longer than ever
>>47207923
There were plenty of infantry sized o-dachi/no-dachi.
The real problem with them is that you literally can't draw the thing without getting help or unstrapping the entire sheath assembly from your back, so you have to walk to the battle with it already drawn.
>>47207942
>yfw some irish guy had a sword that cut the top off hills
They were ahead of their time.
>>47207726
The japs still use man catchers dont they?
>>47208022
Apparently.
>>47208234
>>47208022
Yup, and they're extremely effective, much more so than they look.
>>47207683
>throw your weapon
>haul it back
>get cut down because you didn't decapitate on the first strike
>die shameful death
>family is disgraced
>Daiymo seizes lands for disgrace
FTFY
>>47209518
What if I build momentum by swinging the chain?
![naked_gaijin202[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uVB0tld.jpg "naked_gaijin202[1].jpg")
>>47208022
They use them to catch rampaging gaijin.
>>47210493
Huh. I've seen this picture a thousand times and always thought it was a dog catcher pole.
>>47209518
Anon, the Kusarigama is a ninja weapon. No samurai would ever use it.
>>47210493
>That one other white guys face
>>47210672
Plenty of styles taught it among other weapons.
>>47207544
>>47207494
Is there any proof that these weapons weren't just used by the ancient equivalent of a mall ninja and that stories of them being used effectively weren't just "psh nothing personal kid" self insert fanfiction?
>>47212200
Ninjas openly lied about their capabilities in order to sow fear and panic among their enemies. There were some stories that they could phase through walls and were seven feet tall. One guy was so terrified of them that he deliberately made all of the floor boards around his bed creaky.
Of course, westerners actually took these stories of their prowess seriously.
>>47207923
>dat ass
>>47208022
>The japs still use man catchers dont they?
Dat lack of freedom.
>>47212245
>One guy was so terrified of them that he deliberately made all of the floor boards around his bed creaky
It's called a 'nightingale floor', and it was a fairly standard security device in ye olde feudal Japan.
>>47210672
Anon, historical records point to ninja just being Samurai doing shady shit for their master most of the time. You really think anyone important is going to entrust spying/assassination to some filthy peasant?
>>47207997
My penknife can technically do that.
Just not much off the top of the mountain
>>47212578
[Citation needed]
>>47207494
Sure, you could attach it.
who knows how useful it would be, though.
>>47212679
Maybe most was an exaggeration, but here.
http://world.time.com/2013/02/05/you-dont-know-ninjas-8-new-revelations-about-the-shadow-warrior/slide/yes-there-were-samurai-ninjas/
>>47212433
Better than being mag dumped for speeding.
>>47207494
It's not really the same thing, but during the 14thC there was a trend for connecting wargear to the torso armour via retention chains.
It started as a means to hang on to greathelms, but as can be seen in this effigy swords and daggers were also attached.
>>47207661
Ring spikes.
>>47212433
because being shot > being caught
murica
>>47213379
They don't ask: "Am I going to get shot?" but: "Am I being detained?" for reasons of the latter being extremely unusual.
>>47213585
I am extremely disappointed that you swallowed the bait. He even posted twice fishing for replies and just had to give him one.
>>47212679
Literally every fucking book not written by a fucking hack like Stephen Hayes or Turnbull.
>>47213063
>here let me put a few chains on my armor for people to grab and pull on around
I think I know why it didn't stick.
>>47212679
>2+2=4
>[CITATION NEEDED]
This is you. This is what you're seriously doing. I bet you believe that samurai killed themselves over any slight and hated guns. Fuck I bet you believe the world is flat.
It's 20fucking16, you don't have any excuses anymore to believe stupid myths from the 70s when you can call on the whole of human knowledge with a thing that fits in your fucking pocket.
>inb4 u mad
Damn right I'm mad, it's people like you that are dragging humanity down as a species.
>>47213723
Yeah, let me just reach up and grab the chain of a guy who's holding a fucking sword, dropping my own guard in the process and hoping he doesn't just kill me.
>>47207965
you mean just like every other great sword?
>>47213723
>hey let me just invade his defence while open my own to grab a weak chain.
>>47213764
>>47214468
People in a lot of armour tended to be rich as fuck, which meant people wouldn't kill them in battle but instead wrestle their asses to the ground and restrain them, selling their asses off later for ransom. Chains like that would make this much easier.
>>47214473
>be poor peasant
>tries to make a big cash
>invade his space
>hold the chain
>thin chain snaps
>get stabbed to death
or
>be rich noble
>tries to make a big cash
>invade his space
>hold the chain
>thin chain snaps
>get wresteled into submission
>>47211091
MFW it took me a moment to notice
>>47211091
The odds that they know eachother are pretty high too. It's pretty easy to draw a line of sight from the naked gaijin to the laughing one.
>GOD DAMMIT BOB WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY CLOTHES
>I'M SORRY BILL I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING LONG ENOUGH TO FIND THEM
>>47212578
The point of Ninja weaponry looking like stuff a filthy peasant would use is so they can blend in as a filthy peasant
![VuIuiFF[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5okq4r6.jpg "VuIuiFF[1].jpg")
>>47213757
>It's 20fucking16
>>47207494
Hi guys, can I come in?
Is it ever feasible to have a chain weapon like this?
>>47213723
It did.
>>47214510
If the chain were that weak, it'd be pretty shit at keeping your weapon attached.
IIRC they fell out of use in favor of locking gauntlets.
>>47213757
Way to sperg man, not even him but not eeveryone has the time or inclination to google every little thing. Discussion can be good.
This has to be bait, I feel you'd fit in better on >>>/tumblr/
>>47214913
The sharp part looks like a peasant hand pick.
It generally isn't viable, but it conceals well since you can fold it.
>>47214913
Maybe if it was cut down to two or three sections rather than ten.
>>47207494
Shishido Baiken says yes
>>47207494
What are you asking here?
Yes, it is a thing you are physically able to do provided you had the right materials and tools. Your picture is proof that nothing is stopping you from putting a chain on a weapon.
>>47216144
Pretty sure the intent behind the question was "Is it a viable strategy for combat" not "Is it physically possible."
>>47215934
The perspective on that picture makes it look like the sword blade is shorter than the hilt
>>47216144
He said feasible. It's pretty clear what that means - worthwhile, practical, that sort of thing.
>>47216527
>>47216600
>I don't have to words right.
>Other people should guess what I commonwealth dishwasher handicap.
There's a significant difference between "feasible to attach a chain to your weapon" and "feasible to fight with a chain attached to your weapon". In the former case, it's the action of attaching the chain that's in question and you don't care what happens afterward.
>>47216600
Uh, no. Feasible by definition means "possible", not worthwhile or practical.
Lrn 2 english, sir and/or madam.
>>47217266
>fea·si·ble
>ˈfēzəb(ə)l/
>adjective
>possible to do easily or conveniently.
No u
>>47209753
>>47217280
i wish this was still a meme
>>47207752
>You'll rarely catch a lone horseman in battle.
No, but you would if you were waiting by a roadside to intercept a traveler or a messenger
>>47217280
>>47212578
>>47212679
There's a difference between Samurai blacking up and sneaking into castles and sending a pro-hitman to poison your enemies dessert.
>>47213379
Part of that is gun restrictions in Japan.
Man Catchers don't work as well when used against guns.
>>47215934
Any person with a brain is just gonna move up and stab him with a sword.
Why would anyone go in to a tugging contest?
Perhaps it is useful if somebody is running away, but still why not throw a javelin or an axe?
>>47207494
In Iraq we would tie 550 cord to the stock of our M4, and loop the other end through a carabeener or a loop in our body armor.
If you came face to face with the enemy(s) - they couldnt wrestle control of your weapon/barrel. Or if you were knocked off your feet/stunned/ko'd - your weapon would still be with you.
So there are practical reasons to attach a tether to your weapon.
>>47218021
But would it not be easier to use bolas on the horse.
Humans are smart, can dodge and parry. The horse is not so nimble and has a lot of momentum.
>>47219478
That's when he cuts your face and neck up with his sickle. You can't swing the sword effectively when it has a chain wrapped around the cutting edge, and when it goes slack he can try lassoing your body with it.
I did see some martial artists doing kata with the kusarigama at some demonstration. The coolest trick they did was pulling someone's swords from the scabbard with the chain.
>>47215769
That wasn't a discussion. Just posting citations needed is pointless post just barely lower in quality to "depends on the setting"
>>47219835
How is he going to lasso my body as the chain is already wrapped around the sword?
I would put my money on the off-balanced, compromised two handed weapon over the short, low reach one handed weapon.
>>47219962
>How is he going to lasso my body as the chain is already wrapped around the sword?
With the rest of the chain? When you move closer to him, the bit that is stretched taut will go slack, so you can do stuff with it.
You can't cut with a sword when the edge is covered with something blunt (like a chain), and you do need a decent range of motion to actually swing a katana.
You definitely can't thrust effectively either, because the chain is already in contact with your weapon, so he doesn't even need to parry you with the sickle, he can just yank the chain and throw you off target.
>I would put my money on the off-balanced, compromised two handed weapon over the short, low reach one handed weapon.
Sorry, I thought your plan was to get close to him.
>>47220084
>Sorry, I thought your plan was to get close to him.
Yeah charge him down, not run him over. Once the swordsman has closed the gap, the chain will lose most of its advantage.
>can't cut with a sword when the edge is covered with something blunt
The chain cant cover the whole sword. The swordsman only needs 3 inches to inflict deathly blows.
You make some good points and I have zero martial experience, but to me chain and sickle techniques look really difficult to pull off.
I would guess that the sickle user needs to be experienced and good fighter to defeat an average swordsman.
>>47220360
Chain weapons in general require more training and confidence since you can't slow down and have to feel more than analytically see what to do.
>>47220360
At no point am I saying that the chain is a reliable weapon, but you have to admit that having your weapon bound is an enormous disadvantage, especially when your opponent still has a free hand and a weapon.
Basically, the kusarigama is kind of bad, but if you manage to succeed in doing what it's designed to do, the other guy is fucked.
>I would guess that the sickle user needs to be experienced and good fighter to defeat an average swordsman.
True, but they do have a slight advantage in that what they're doing is unfamiliar and distracting. A pro wouldn't care, they'd just cut them down but an amateur would definitely be confused trying to follow the movements of the weight and the sickle.
Is the kusarigama better than a flail?
>>47221507
Depends on the system
>>47208953
How when I have hands?
I happen to find two demonstration of using Kusari-gama
First demo is more traditional. Second one is when you wield kusari-gama more like nunchaku while having normal kama on your off-hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VweLV6lW8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXesoopsWGE
Watch Samurai II: Duel at Ichijoji Temple.
The opening scene has a pretty descent duel between a guy wielding a kusari-gama and a katana.
I mean of course it's choreographed, but it's a probably the best you'll find.
>>47221507
No. Kusarigama is harder to use and is limited in targets
Fucking weeaboos
>>47207494
Are you a Sailor?
>>47207965
...thats how greatswords were used. Nobody was ever wearing them on his back. Thats a meme from pulp-fantasy artworks.
>>47210493
http://wordpress.tokyotimes.org/tokyo-imperial-palace-pandemonium/
