Broloro Edition.
>RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
>CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
This game is the definition of autism.
>>47182246
Run this guy for maximum fun
Oloro is a good shell for the Blue Orb lock plan but I like Zur more. He is sadly just better
>>47182216
Yeah, but I want to play her with a whole bunch of (admittedly shitty) Morph creatures so my opponents don't know where Akroma is, and I can't do that if I cast her from the Command Zone, unless I'm playing the Shell Game with my morphs.
>>47182442
>Super vanilla creature that probably loses you the game
Nice choice famalamaThen again, I played this card when I was at that age I played cancerous grouphug and chaos decks
>>47182497
>everything that isn't hardcore stax control is bad
Some people like other types of decks, anon
My group likes free shit and is low-power so it should be fun
>>47182507
Its still bad, even if you play it to have fun
>>47182517
What should go in its place?
What's the one deck you'd love to build, but there's just no general that supports it?
>>47182556
UR Artificer
>>47182561
Nin, the Pain Artist works better than you might think.
>>47182507
What the other anon said. This is garbage card either way and it ruins you the game. Only reason to play it if you have m15 ob noxious or stranglehold or torpor orb on the table, and even still it's nothing but a dumb beater.
I'm not saying you can't run it, and even if I did, you still would. Experience it yourself, and see that it only does anything for your opponents.
>>47182556
Non-token monored burn.
>>47182552
Post decklist and I can suggest something. Hard to say just like this since the commander and decklist matter.
Depends really what you're trying to do.
>make an "everyone draws cards" deck to see what kind of crazy plays people can pull off
>accused of building mill and get hated off the table
>>47182610
Jaya Ballard could work
>>47182442
So if he comes into play under an opponent's control (through an effect such as Confusion in the Ranks), does the owners' opponent get the tutor or the controller's opponent?
Post your secret tech
>>47182629
>Milling is usable or powerful
This meme needs to stop. It's even worse than the craterhoofposting.I swing in for 4360 trample damage, responses?
>>47182635
Could probably work, but it's not what I'm looking for. Also I hate fapbait cards.
>>47182639
Confusion in the Ranks doesn't put it into play under an opponent's control. It comes into play under your control, then exchanges control.
>>47182659
I prefer a different sort of posting.
>>47182639
The opponent of the owner of the card. Owner controls the effect, even if they don't control the card on the resolution of the ability. It would be different case if we were talking about Gather Specimens or so.
>>47182672
That ass though.
>>47182659
It wasn't even mill. It was a deck with a lot of group draw (Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, etc), so everyone would have a full hand at all times and could do pretty much what they wanted
That's not how they saw it. Apparently my group is retarded and thinks card advantage and draw is bad, so they accused me of building mill and hated me off the table
>>47182599
>blast myr retriever, draw three cards and reclaim an artifact from the graveyard
>nuke wurmcoil for fun an profit
>>47182696
I got that.
What I was baffled about was that you would get hated out because you were assumed to play mill. As if milling was viable strategy.
Your meta is retarded.
It's like that kind of moment, when you have Aura of Silence and Necropotence on the table at the same time, and opponent tries to disenchant AoS.
>>47182561
Oh Origins... What could have been.>tfw foil Hixus
>>47182735
>Your meta is retarded
They are but they're fun to play with most of the time
Some guy at my gym found out I play EDH and was talking mad shit about some of the decks I told him about in the group, then started bragging about how OP his Phenax deck is. His Memnarch would fuck me up though, I play a lot of artifacts
>>47182813
Well, to be honest, those two are completely on a different power level.
I have a memnarch deck too, which is somewhat powerful, but eh, if that guy thinks he could make phenax deck OP, i'm thinking that his Memnarch isn't really that powerful either.
>>47182813
Oh and yeah, I'm glad you can have fun with them.
I have some retards here too, like a lot, and when I play with them, they aren't at all fun to play against or with. I just find it annoying that some people can't into politics or threat assessment. It's bad enough that they never pay for Rhystic study, but Tempt With Discovery becomes absolutely borken, simce every fucking retard takes the bait and fetches a land (which usually is a basic or tapland) and the caster gets like 6 lands out of it.
>>47182864
I'm guessing he's just forcing discard and dropping Consuming Aberration as a fatty engine
>>47182896
It's not that they're BAD, they're fairly competent players, it's just that they make stupid decisions sometimes
I can't wait to see what happens when I drop a Tempt with Vengeance while Purphoros is on the table though
I with there was an easier way to dump my opponents hands in a mono black multilayer list. Night's reach is close but I can't reanimate him which just kills it.
>>47182658
Magus of the Unseen?
Anyways here's a preliminary list of shit for my riku deck, not planning on trying to get anything over $10 each.
http://deckstats.net/deck-10027891-67bf58a0bb94fd1daa3f7dd731804ad8.html
Anything that needs to be in there, anything that might be good, any secret tech?
>>47183002
Green sun zenith and Woodfall primus.
>>47183002
Turnabout is rather infamous for being good with Riku
>>47183081
thankfully I have Greenith already, any reason that it's so important?
>>47183126
oh jesus fuck that's...wow, that's...wow. that's some fucking ramp. mimic vat + eternal witness to make it infinite, right? as long as you have enough lands? I think you need 9 mana in lands to get infinite cycles, 10 for mana.
>>47183148
-It let's you cast any green creature straight out of your library.
-For one G extra.
-Then shuffles itself back in for use later.
-Essentially allows you to run two copies of every green creature in your deck.
-Don't like thing? Wish you had a Woodfall primus or a reclamation sage to destroy thing? Did your thing get destroyed? Wish you had an eternal witness to get thing back?
Need I say more?
>>47183187
Fair enough. Any neat multicolor cards out there?
>>47183195
Loads but I'm not the one to ask. My knowledge doesn't extend much beyond UB. Anything with an etb is usually a good place to start.
>>47183195
Hit some of the links in the op, breh. Some pretty useful stuff there.
>>47183304
>tfw I should have bought Karn when he was $30
>now he's $50
>>47183340
It could be worse. You could need four of them.
>>47183340
>tfw i opened a foil karn at the NPH prerelease and traded it for about $50 in junk
what's it worth now? like $200?
>showed friends the magic of buying singles instead of just building from draft chaff with the occasional decent uncommon/rare in the 99
>their decks are starting to rise in power level
This is wonderful
Is Rosheen Meanderer just Hydras_and_Fireballs.dec?
>>47183482
What other sort of X spells exist in GR?
>>47183405
>eye of ugin
W E W
L A D
>>47183491
Buffs I guess
I want to build a Gruul deck but Rosheen just doesn't seem like my style
>>47183499
It's an old pic. May it RIP in peace.
>>47183518
Xenagos gets a lot of love. Maybe check him out.
>>47183340
>tfw you played when he was only $10
>really wanted a play set
>but $40 was out of your price range because you were a kid
>>47183538
That looks fun
I think my issue is that I generally stay lighter on the creature cards in my decks and RG seems like Fat Creature Central/Timmytown
>>47183611
Yeah, RG doesn't lend itself well to creature light strats. You could try marath if three colors isn't too much of a hassle. He pulls so much wieght, you barely need other creatures. Just run a complement of toolbox creatures and ways to pop them out when you need them.
Got BTFO'd by a mimeoplasm deck in my playgroup, I WAS currently building turbo nekusar to be an ass in the playgroup but now with the advent of mimeo I don't know if nekusar can do well against it, any suggestions? I already run every kind of shenanigans denial you can think of.
>>47182442
I ran this guy in a Brion Stoutarm deck that was basically all the act of treasons + copy + kiki combo stuff + boros sunforger package.
I'd play this to tempt opponents to play their best creatures for me to steal and throw.
>>47183764
A bunch of O-Ring effects, maybe
Maybe use Brago to abuse various ETB effects
>>47183764
Bojuka bog, leyline of the void, relic of Progenitus. You could also counter/bounce the shit out of mimeoplasm.
>>47183803
Bravo is being used by someone else unfortunately :( I was thinking of counterpells and running RIP in my white decks, also pithing needle
>>47183832
Pithing Needle won't solve the problem.
>>47183832
There is no rule that says you can't use the same commander as someone else.
>>47183764
GWAFA
Give that Mimeo a bribery counter
Steal that guy's best shit with Bribery or Corrupted Conscience and beat him to death with it
Pillowfort your face off until Azor's Elecutors has 5 filibuster counters
>>47183845
The problem isn't mimeo it's phyrexian devourer, necrotic ooze, triskelion
>>47183856
Also it's just a matter of uniqueness in the group, a homebrew rule. Outsiders can play if they have the same commander as someone
>>47183956
I see. Sounds like grave hate is what you need. Relic of Progenitus takes care of most. Withered wretch is also an option.
>>47184007
Thanks! Withered wretch was exactly the card I needed, I already run tormods crypt and relic, so wretch looks like it'll really help out
>>47183764
Does he run blighted agent? Tell him to
>>47182556
Shazzrad, the commander
Group hug (Minotaur is kinda garbage at it.)
>>47184044
>wanting Shahrazad as a commander
Seek psychiatric help
>>47184037
Absolutely not
Has anyone wanted to make a full unhinged/unglued EDH deck? Maybe 5 color, child of alara?
Obviously it wouldn't be legal, but you'd pull it or for laughs.
How do you feel about unglued/unhinged legendary creatures as commanders? Would you allow a Frankie peanuts EDH into your meta?
What has been the most flavorful deck you have made?
I feel like it's cheating, but goblin tribal is my best. A little over half of the deck has something to do with goblins, while the remainder is just good red stuff. My basic lands are also only mountains from onslaught.
>>47184148
Sounds misserable. Magic is crazy enough without un-cards and I'm not the sort that likes to treat the game so irreverentIy. We're all here to have a good time but don't forget, the object is to "kill" the other players.
>>47184148
*Pull it out for laughs
>>47184159
My Kraj deck really really feels SIMIC AS FUCK. I love seeing all the jank that comes from the blob of a boardstate I eventually accumulate. I think my favorite experience with kraj was when my opponent enchanted him with stupefying touch, and my only chance at removing Kraj was with a mass polymorph.
Pic related, it's my kraj! Ignore the watermark, my girlfriend painted it for me and insists I use that image when I show it off.
I also love my low-power level karn deck, it really does feel like a ticking clock when I get out clock of omens with a huge boardstate of artifacts.
>>47184159
Gifted with the power of regeneration, the Agent of Oloro sets forth to subvert and subdue those who would seek to stop the Ageless Ascetic.I guess my head cannon doesn't count.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-04-16-big-black-deck/
>>47184292
Holy shit this is one of the most autistic things I've ever read.
>>47184148
Full unhinged? No, that's not fun. Some unglued or unhinged cards I'm EDH is fun, though. Red hot hottie and rocket Powered Turbo Slug, for instance.
>>47184159
My Marrow-Gnawer deck is 90% actual rats, not Nezumi, plagues and diseases.
It is shit.
>>47184322
You don't like to pretend you're a wizard while you conjure beasts and sling spells?
>>47184322
You must be new. Stick around. I'm just getting warmed up.
>>47184292
That's autistic.
Your deck is autistic.
>>47184357
How dare you use your imagination to have fun
>>47184384
I like your style
>>47184339
This sounds wonderful. You're running pestilence right?
>>47184397
Oh yeah? Whip out you deck anon. Let me inspect the heft and girth.
>>47184431
Dude, your deck is just some generic mono B list with a a WUB commander for some reason.
>>47184292
Jesus this deck is durdle central
>>47184431
I heft my girth in your general direction.Not that anon, but it's nice to see another Oloro.http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oloro-the-lazy-dick/
Alright, I've put aside some dosh to upgrade this deck and was wondering what should be cut/added, outside Sword of Fire and Ice and Jitte, because those are the most obvious
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/godos-powerviolence-concert/
>>47184494
I have a good reason for using him as my comander.
>>47184515
Sorry.
>>47184529
Oloro is a meme. I see at least 3 oloros a night when I play commander night at any lgs
>>47184586
I agree. Oloro is only pulled out when smug assholes need to get their shit pushed in.
My main deck is an artifact heavy Godo build.
>>47184529
>it's nice to see another Oloro
But he's one of the most popular generals for the format
>>47184604
Not on /tg/ it seems.
I should have clarified, it's nice to see someone on /tg/ using/talking about him.
>>47184529
Hot damn, and they call me durdley! Looks pretty wicked man. Tabernacle is spicy. Ever consider winter orb?
>>47184602
>mfw another Godo player on /tg/
Hello fellow user of funnest general
>>47184604
Could have fooled me. I'm the only one using him at my shop.
>all these mono red players
Help me understand you.
>>47184543
Goblin War Drums can definitely get dropped
You also have a huge amount of extra combat so maybe those extra turn spells could go too
Get rid of Grappling Hook
Do you guys have any advice for building a creature heavy deck for BUG whilst keeping it budget? Maybe a token sac theme would be good?
>>47184529
Needs Ancient Tomb.
>>47184722
I am a simple man who likes fun
>>47184414
>This sounds wonderful. You're running pestilence right?
Thanks. The deck's still in a prototype stage with some filler cards but I'll put Pestilence in soon along with some other pieces. Once I'm satisfied with how it runs the ratswarm beatdown strategy I plan to change it to ratstax.
Sadly, some plagues are just too counterproductive to put in.
>>47184631
I did consider it. But I feel like I would need to run a lot more ramp/artifact mana sources if I did. Honestly there are like 3 or 4 other enchantments I wanted to run alongside what I currently have. Making cuts was hard.The only wincon is extort.
>>47184658
Yeah boy. Pic related.
>>47184803
Post Godo list pls
>>47184803
What about Tolaria West? Would let you pull out Tabernacle or Strip Mine if you need it.
>>47184722
It's fun? It's a color I like to play? Fuck I dunno
>>47184803
Woops just kidding. Wrong picture. Better pic of final alter.
Here is list. It is in no way optimized. It is just weapon slinging bullshit.http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/godo-weapon-hoarder/
>>47184782
Hmm. Yes. It does. Honestly do not know why that's not in there.
>>47184838
Another I considered. Surprisingly unnecessary in testing though. With the amount of card draw and pure creature hate, I've never been in a tight spot where I would have needed either immediately.
So help me out here /tg/ I am new to magic and don't know, should I build a deck around purple sawdust tokens?
>Jund is favorite shard
>don't like any of the commanders
Rough life right here.
>>47184943
Not even Shattergang Brothers?
>>47184938
>purple sawdust tokens
what
Are you asking about a token deck? There are many strategies to accomodate this
>>47184926
thats horrible man
What artifact or enchantment (or plane) would you like to see on legendary legs to use as a commander? Add colors where needed.
I think Golem Foundry would be a nice UR artifacts general. Bounce your artifacts, sac your golems, add some proliferate and metalcraft. If it'd be UWR, there's also some room for splicers and populate.
>>47184943
How come? There are a lot of different strategies between all the Jund generals. Just don't play Karrthus, he's shit with the new legend rule.
>>47184986
I found Shattergang to be way too clunky, to the point that I couldn't enjoy playing them because literally anything else in the deck was a better use of mana than activating one of their abilities.
>>47184292
You can't run Oona brah.
>>47185026
The alter? I know. I'm going to have it touched up. It was a very fast rough draft done by a friend.
>>47185071
Oh wait he is wub I thought be was just wb. So ignore this man I am a faggot.
>>47185071
He's running Oloro, he totally can.
>>47185071
You sure about that brah?
>>47185054
What does the legend rule have to do with Karrthus?
>>47184986
Naw.
>>47185054
I'm a bitch that doesn't like saccing my own creatures unless they're about to die anyway. Kresh, Sek'Kuar, and Shattergang lend themselves to sacrifice strategies.
Prossh is lame. Adun is cool but I'd rather play Meren. I like Xira, but she's really underwhelming. The rest: Nah.
>>47185047
Phyrexian Arena. I just want to draw cards forever.
Help me out family. Should I finish the zombies tribal I'm building or should I spend half as much and polish up my legit dredge deck (adding a sideboard even)?
>>47185195
Sideboard in commander? What?
Zombiessssssss, they're probably the most fun tribe to play that isn't Elves or gobbos
>>47185126
>I'm a bitch that doesn't like saccing my own creatures
You're in RGx, which is Token City, so just shit out tokens and sac them to Shattergang. Black also has cards that like when creatures die so that's gravy
Plus look at that art, thy look like they're about to go firebomb a rival gang member's house or some shit, that's badass
>>47184269
>Kraj
The only Commander I always wanted to build but keep putting off. I want to build this bitch now that I know Willbreaker exists for it.List plz?
>>47185195
Polish is always the answer. It's better to have a tuned deck that can present a challenge than multiple mediocre decks.
>>47185232
Based Kev Walker.
>>47185232
The artifact one is canonically dead
>>47185195
Zombies best tribe, dooooo it.
I'm working on making a Derevi deck. Any cards I should know about before I start brainstorming on tapped out? Also I'm still trying to figure out what strategy I want to go for: control, big boppers, tokens, or all of the above. I have a Nissa planeswalker from Oath of the Gatewatch I want to put in.
>>47185195
Zombies are the shit! Endless Ranks of the Dead, Zombie Apocalypse, Lord of the Undead, etc. I recommend Dralnu or Grimgrin for the extra U utility.
>>47185280
I know one died, but did it specify which one? I read that UR, but don't remember them saying that.
>>47185104
Clones are unkillable mind controls against him ever since the legend rule changed. That's not a good feature to have on your commander since there are still many good clone effects that get played.
>>47185126
Kresh doesn't require your creatures to die. You'd only go for sac effects that leave you ahead anyway, like Yavimaya Elder, evoke, Birthing Pod etc. I understand if shit like that isn't your cup of tea though, but I never had the feeling with Kresh that I was saccing anything of any value, or if I was, I was getting so much for it that it was well worth it. Example: Rite of Consumption anything bigger than 20/20.
>>47185244
No. What matters is your playgroup and only your playgroup. If your playgroup isn't up to the level of your strongest deck, you'll either get hated on every game or start an arms race, neither of which is fun for most people.
>>47185336
Ohhh, shit. I see now. Yeah, that's understandable. I even run an all clones deck, so I know the dangers.
>>47185356
I like the challenge of being the big bad.
>>47185280
I know, they're still baller though
Also how does the "destroy enchantment" one do his job? Is he a druid or something?
>>47185381
That's completely valid. I always preferred to have multiple decks that could put up a fight in my playgroup since most decks aren't fun enough to play more than 2 games in a row with, or even 2 times a week with.
>>47185356
Indeed it is exactly my playgroup I was thinking of when I said that.
>>47185404
Magic grenades. Everything burns. You just need know what kind of fire to use.
>>47185413
That's kind of where I'm at. But Godo is just so much fun for me.
Seriously all I do for the first few turns is throw down lands and maybe a few artifacts. Nobody ever wants to molest me cause they know the second I get Godo on the table I can pretty easily nuke somebody down with commander damage.
>>47184159
I'll just leave this here
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/follow-the-yellow-brick-road/
>>47185280
Ooh, source?
>>47185232
Dunno meng. I'm so undecided on what to build. I just want something fun and somewhat flavorful without breaking the bank. Meren is my number one contender. The precon is fun and black is my favorite color mechanically. Green is also nice because ramp and takes care of pesky artifacts and enchantments. I just wish she was red too.
>>47185517
A UR from last year. Krenko stabbed him in the throat so the other 2 set his warehouses on fire
crucible of worlds reprint when
>>47185600
Yesteryear
>>47184543
pls help
>>47185600
Just go buy one for $3 shipped from based chinaman.
>>47185600
>tfw you got yours for $30
Loving every strip mine lock
>>47184722
Red means fun
>>47185706
how do I go about doing this?
>>47184543
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/godos-powerviolence-concert/
i could defiantly recommend a conjurers closest to let you flicker your commander for more equipment to hit the field
>>47185167
Nekuzar exists.
>>47185795
Check out the modern thread right now.
>>47185047
I'd like Howling mi---
Oh, right, I have that with kami of the crescent moon
>>47185799
I'm not about to let my opponents draw cards. They don't need my help finding their combo pieces.
So, in the last EDH thread, I was asking for some suggestions for my Glissa, the Traitor deck and I was told some things to take out/replace, as well as some replacements for them and now I'm stuck again. One anon suggested Bane of Progress as a card I needed and I want to add All Is Dust as well but I'm not sure what to take out for them. Further suggestions /EDHG/ ? Decklist here:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/glissas-robot-rock/
>>47185934
Got a list?
Are there Auras that can blank a card? There's another card game I used to play that had stuff like that
>>47186256
>>47186256
There are a few enchantments and a lot of one-turn effects like that.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Alose+o%3Aall+o%3Aabilities&v=card&s=cname
>>47186256
There are auras that can nerf a creatures ability to attack or block. There are others that will also blank the abilities (lignin and darksteel mutation for example). If you want a creature gone and you want to do it with an enchamtment, might I recommend Oblivion Ring (or its sisters) or Journey to Nowhere.
>>47186318
*lignify
>>47186256
This is the one that springs to mind.
>>47182735
These faggots.
>one guy has a Deadeye in his hand and we all know it
>try to stick Nin so that I can deal with it when the time comes
>monoblack player keeps sniping Nin
>this happens two more times
>get to the point that I'm sure the guy has his combo pieces in his hand, given he's tutored twice
>cheat Nin out
>try to give her Greaves
>monoblack uses the last card in his hand to kill her again
>okay, have it your way
>starts going on about how salty I am
>end turn
>Great Whale
>Deadeye
>try to nail Deadeye, both my answers get countered
>infinite mana combos out and wins
>monoblack player is convinced he made all the right decisions
>>47186256
>mfw imagining putting this on a fetch or Kessig Wolf Run
The salt would gush forth like a geyser
>>47183415
No only 100 or so. I gladly still kept mine, though. I have a rule about trading really rare stuff away for cards I think will only go up in value. No flavor of the week bullshit
>>47184292
>not even splashing white for artifact/enchantment removal
C'mon now, the deck's cute but throw in a Vindicate/Anguished Unmaking/Utter End or something.
>>47186256
Yes, actually, mostly in white. Here'some one.
>>47186430
Your MBC friend is either a
>Lol just killing to spite you lawl
or a
>What its just a game don't bitch about it bro
>>47183566
I know these feels.
>>47186605
>Play Daxos
>Zur player taps out, casts Zur
>Play Darksteel Mutation
>He could not do anything for seven turns straight
>>47182485
Too bad playing the shell game with face down cards is against the rules. Besides, even if you did, you'd eventually expose it by saying "2 commander"
Do you guys have decks with "reputations" that end up making you the threat off the bat?
I've been playing a storm deck for a while and it's basically 3v1 every time I play it. Sometimes I win but 3v1 pressure doesn't make it easy. Often everyone ignores everyone else except me, then they kill me, then some other guy who has a ridiculous board just wins. It's kinda unsatisfying and I won't take the deck apart seeing as how fun it is and how much time I've put into it.
Is there a solution to this or is it just a fundamental problem with my playgroup?
>>47182659
Response: I tap dreamstone hedron and two islands. AEtherspouts.
>>47186430
Fucking black players
>playing sharuum
>playing against rakdos and mizzix
>amazing opening hand
>ramp like never before
>mizzix player tries to counter but I counter
>Shit on the mizzix deck after playing a boardwipe and using bitter ordeal
> rakdos player is at 5 lands still be turn 12
>ok, hasn't done much anyway
>Got out magister sphinx and conjurer closet
>both at 10
>kill mizzix with swing from sphinxes
>the rakdos players last turn play possibility storm
>What
>kill him
>I have no idea why he didn't play it earlier
At the point mizzix player was screaming and in tears (figuratively)
>>47186706
Quit being a faggot dumbass.
That's an easy solution for you.
>>47186790
Also I forgot to mention he put on weird devious grin that made me think he was going to win with what he had in hand
>>47186706
the thing about storm is its basically just a matter o time before they win, their win conditions are in their hand so you have to assume that if you dont kill whatever permanents they have they are going to win within the next couple turns
that means the table is on a timer, they have to kill you before you go off, eventually they will run out of relevant disruption and your life total needs to be 0 at that time or they lose
they can at least hope to cyc rift a crazy board after youre gone
storm is just not a politically effective strategy but that doesnt mean you cant play it in multiplayer, you just have to accept that people are going to do what they have to do to not lose
>>47186241
>>47185240
Sorry guys, don't have lists on me.
Neither deck is incredibly optimized, so you're not missing out on much
>>47182918
I once casted Tempt with Vengeance for 7 with Impact Tremors and Zada on board. I even announced out loud that I had impact tremors before asking if anyone took it. One moron decided it would be a good idea to take it and each other player decided that if he got tokens so should they. Impact tremors did 28 damage, and one pump spell on zada ended the game. I was fucking flabbergasted.
>>47182659
Silly Elves Getting lost in the Woods they should know better
>>47186911
one time my friend had purphoros out and did tempt with vengeance for 5
it was a 4 player game and i was at 40 life and the other two players were at like 21-25
i chose to take tokens and the other two players were soooo mad, they were calling me retarded and what not
so then he was getting 10 tokens, which if i recall correctly wouldnt actually have killed either of them, but they decided they had no chance at single digit life total and both got tokens as well so that i died too from 40 life
i guess i shouldve taken that reaction into account
>>47184658
>*Sound of Zada laughing in the distance*
>>47184926
Is that goro? 10/10
>>47187117
Maaaaaaaaaybe.
>>47187092
>he doesn't like nuking the table with a single creature and 4+ combat phases in a single turn
>>47186594
But I already run everything removal. The biggest problem permanent I have to contend with is Knowledge Pool and no amount of vindicates or unmakings will help that situation. I suppose there is an argument for warding off Iona but that happens so rarely that I'm not concerned. Sometimes I just eat shit and die.
>>47187418
vindicate doesnt help you against iona because its a black spell
>>47187471
Swords to Plowshares isn't though. I guess I assumed that was on the table when discussing a white splash.
>>47187533
for sure
but you have plenty of creature removal, better to run stuff like oblation that is more versatile
only reason to splash white for removal in my opinion
>>47182561
Maybe they'll actually make a proper Jhoira artificer card, she's an artificer afterall.
>>47182659
>4360 trample damage
Use goblin welder to sac a myr
>playing Oloro outside of Chair Tribal
>>47187550
I agree that mixing in some white would be killer. However ,consistency is important to me and I feel that I would need to devote a significant portion of the mana base to achieve that. Significant enough to reduce the effectiveness of one of the pillars of the deck and that's coffers/ lake of the dead. I detest the idea of needing urborg to power them up. At that point I might as well ditch the whole mono black thing and build a different deck.
Maybe I'm just being resistant to change. I have a well oiled machine and I'm afraid to turn it into something else.
>>47186648
In the long run, you did exactly what zur would have wanted.
His entire lore revolves around achieving eternal life, you gave it to him, in the form of an indestructible insect.
Now that you know that, who *really* won?
I'm looking to make a really grindy spirits of kamagawa themed deck using Karador, Ghost Chieftain and a lot of soulshift spirits.
Wondering if you guys can recommend some good re-usable ways to get creatures from the graveyard to hand.
Currently just got Palace Siege and Phyrexian Reclamation. Don't know shit about playing black so can't think of any more
>pic related; god I wish this guy wasn't such a nombo with the EDH rules
>>47187865
Oversold Cemetery
Volrath's Stronghold
>>47182556
B/W or B/W/G Knights
Sphinx Riddles.Only cards that ask my opponent questions like Sphinx of Uthuun, Fact or Fiction, and Sphinx Ambassador.
>>47182556
Something something clues
>join an edh group
>oloro
>join another next week
>oloro
>another
>oloro
>all different players
>all playing durdle decks
>no fun to play with
Are all oloro players likes this because fuck my local meta.
>>47187964
Cheers friend
>>47188159
Not all, just the majority. Oloro really attracts players who want to just durdle or play hugboxes. Two of my friends play it, one for the lifegain triggers as lifegain triggers both draw and +1/+1 counters so his creatures get huge, and the other essentially a straight control deck.
>>47188159
How do you recommend I play?
Can someone define durdle for me, within the context of Mtg.
>>47188246
Decks that just play cards and do things but don't get any closer to winning the game.
>>47187865
...Well, you already mentioned soulshift.
Since you're running Karador, any ETB creature is highly recyclable. Eternal witness or green warden of Murasa will do the trick. Even skullwinder.
VERY major shout out to Genesis.
Specifically for getting creatures, can recur baloth null, deadwood treefolk, gravesifter, golgari guildmage, malevolent awakening, gravedigger, meren, palace siege, paleloth, phyrexian reclamation, Xiao Dun...
I think that's relatively comprehensive for getting shit back to hand in an easily recurrable/reusable manner.
>>47188273
So things like mana ramp and artifact and enchantment destruction?
>>47185973
Help please? Would really appreciate it.
>>47188223
Like a man: go fast turn left and crash into shit
>>47188413
Litter ally everything I was going to suggest is already on your list.
>>47185973
Hedron archive
Cranial plating
Remove if you want to put those cards I guess
>>47188497
Really? Cool!
>>47188505
Naw. Thanks anyway.
>>47188405
I think you miss the point. These decks are terrible, they don't do anything, they just play shit, don't do anything with it and then eventually die. If you played with one you'd know.
>>47188301
These are great, thanks man
>your entire meta attacks people based entirely on boardstate
>deck that relies less on permanents pulls out a crazy combo with instants and/or sorceries
>"well golly gee, that came out of nowhere"
>repeat again next game
>those few permanent-lite decks keep dominating and winning
>absolutely no one targets them
>every
>goddamn
>night
>>47188591
>they don't do anything
That's not true.
I remove the concept of fun from the game and gain nourishment from your tears.
I make you sac lands for playing creatures.
I make you pay mana and life to keep those creatures alive.
I turn those creatures into 1/1s with no abilities.
I counter your commander for the low cost of U every time you try to cast it.
I draw a lot of cards and gain lot of life.
And to end this pain and suffering I extort you. One spell at a time.
>>47188591
I'm pulling your leg man. I don't fit the description but several people insisted my deck is durdly when I posted the list further up.
>>47182556
WBRG Tokens
>>47188742
This is my meta but I am the one who sits in the corner quietly dropping artifacts until I swing lethal on everyone
Voltron a best
I too play Oloro, although I try to make him as directly political as possible, rather than hugbox. I built him solely to run Will of the Council cards from Conspiracy, and I'm trying to include a lot more stuff like that.
My other deck is Newzuri and gets hated off the board asap. I deserve it for running Blatant Thievery, though.
>>47188742
My meta thinks the opposite. They'll kill you because you have the slight possibility of comboing out. They'll go after anyone playing any kind of blue even if another guy has like 20 creatures and a pathbreaker ibex
0 cmc counterspells are super annoying to play against
Especially pact of negation
Cuz at least with force of will, it's just a matter of the card being overpowered and there will always be people willing to spend $100 on an overpowered card
Pact of negation on the other hand is perfectly balanced, but in multiplayer, it gives a player a ridiculous amount of king making power out of nowhere
They can sacrifice their next turn to ruin your whole game, usually giving the game to somebody else
and playing around 0 mana counterspells when you have no idea if your opponent has them (100 card deck) doesn't really work either
I just hate pact of negation
>>47189077
You win with Elocutors right?
>I deserve it
That's the blue guilt talking. Look man, you weren't responsible for the years of slaver enacted by your forwalkers.
>>47182658
This in Oona
>>47189271
>4-6 mana enchantments
>>47184148
What's really great about enter the dungeon is that is boardwipes all commanders as they are dragged to the command zone in the sub-game.
>>47189291
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the wholesale slaughter of the board I'm currently reveling in
>>47189373
Especially when you drop an earthquake that kills everyone at once.
NO SURVIVORS
>>47189373
How do you have a board? Is your meta just UGx durdlefest
>Guy in playgroup makes a new deck
>UR Jori En "Fun Police"
>entirely counterspells and removal
>no actual win condition
>the sole purpose of the deck is to stop other decks from winning
Why do people do these things?
>>47189409
That's just being an asshole. Fun police is UW territory
>>47189409
they enjoy torturing people
>>47189409
Because they don't understand that they are in fact incomprehensibly massive faggots who need to be euthanized.
>>47189409
How can you lose if none of your opponents can win?
Seems like a legit strategy to me
>>47188159
>>47188196
>>47188223
There is literally no good way to build Oloro without making it just a generic, oppressively boring Esper control deck. This is objective fact.
So Dark Petition isn't nearly as good in my list as I hoped it would be.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chainer-dementia-master-of-dementia/
Any suggestions on replacements? My deck is Generic Black Control.dec but it's still really fun.
>>47189402
>How do you have a board?
Because I also have spells that are lower CMC
Mana doublers are also a wonderful thing
>>47189512
What makes oloro not fun? I've never been bothered by oloro.
>>47189575
ok but are board wipes not a thing?
>>47189409
That's when you build RUG Surrak and fuck him right in his dickhole with uncounterable tramplers
>>47189583
I didn't say not fun, I said generic and boring because they're all the same and they always play the same way. Spend the first few turns dropping rocks, spend the rest of the game wrathing, countering, or tutoring for combo pieces. I've seen five Oloro players come and go at my shop, and aside from the exact combo finishes I was able to guess the exact contents of the fifth guy's deck and only be off by ten or so.
>>47189409
People are driven to this point because they get tired of the rest of the group's bullshit.
UGX players allowed to run rampant, people who take consecuative 15 minute turns and do not win immediately, poor threat assessment, cross game grudges, incessant whining.
>>47189640
how can something be fun yet boring?
>>47189594
They are, but when I don't have a lot of creatures to commit to it's not a huge deal
What do you want me to say? Because I'm not playing your style of deck it's inferior and unfun? It might not be tier 1 but it's a blast to play
Not everyone is Powergamer McFunCrusher
>>47189708
Fun for the pilot, not for the table.
>>47189742
I enjoy playing against control decks.
>>47189742
I don't mind playing against oloro, he's more fun than your average voltron snoozefest
>>47189753
It's not control that I don't enjoy playing against, it's Oloro. It's still possible to have fun even when you know your opponents exact deck and strategy, but Oloro is boring as shit because you might as well not even have a command zone, you just start the game with an emblem with "Upkeep gain 2." The commander does not encourage or even lend itself towards a specific strategy. For pretty much every other legend (made in the last twelve years or so), there's a certain plan. Even two legends in the same colors with roughly the same plan can play very differently, like Skullbriar vs. Varolz. But literally, objectively, every single Oloro list is just "Esper control goodstuff" because of how little yet how much he does just by sitting in the command zone.
>>47189785
I agree with this, most - not all, just most - Voltron decks are so boring to play against. They do nothing for a bunch of turns, then win, or they never do anything and just lose.
>>47189712
>Powergamer McFunCrusher
That's a high-level kek, anon
>>47189822
Who do you think is a non-boring Voltron general?
>>47187573
It's okay, you still die due commander damage
