The 4 gods of chaos have, through assorted acts of warp fuckery, become aware of a the reality where one of the major marvel universes takes place(616 probably). For their own amusement, they set about corrupting and conquering as many heroes as they can.
My question to you, /tg/ is who falls to which gods and who rejects the primordial truth?
Some ones that occur immediately
Wolverine falls to Khorne
Dr. Strange falls to Tzeentch
Banshee falls to SlaaneshDeadpool falls to Malal
>>47157972
that pic bugs the hell out of me.
>>47157972
One Above All kicks them out of the universe.
>>47157972
You're a bit late to the party OP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thanos_Imperative
>>47157972
Cyttorak and Khorne stalemate each other for eternity, Thor tams up with Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Dr Doom and Hyperion to finish the other 3.
>>47157972
Franklin Richards ends them all instantly.
>>47157972
>implying Avengers didn't kick Warhammer in easy-mode
Why is Khorne smiling so happily?
>>47157972
Oh you poor child. You don't seem to grasp the absolute bullshit that is the powerlevels of cosmic level superheroes. At best they would be a minor disturbance for a month, but it's more likely that they don't even get a foothold in the universe before being beaten back like the reality breaking horrors that try to enter every other Wednesday. To top it all off Shuma-Gorath would take notice of the attempt and add 40k to his long list of conquested universes.
>>47162379
Until he is hilariously mutated and his tentacles turn to feathered crawclaws.
>>47162334
He heard the first decent joke told in his realm in the past 10,000 years.
>>47157972
>not bringing them to DC where they can fight literal Satan
>>47162443
You do realize you're talking about a being that exists outside of reality and has killed the abstract concept of Death in at least one reality, right?
>>47162494
I feel like DC would be a better fit in general. >>47162379 is right that the cosmic stage in Marvel is fucking ridiculous.
In the DC universe they'd be both more impactful and more meaningful. Hell, especially with how the Lantern corps operate. Half the 'bad' ones pretty much fit neatly into the 40k mythos.
>>47162481
>It was that marvel has anything that can come close to beating him
>>47162496
>Outside of reality
>40k runs on clap your hands if you believe
>Doesn't know he exists
>Ergo does not exist
Dude, the average Guardsman faces that shit on a daily basis. The thing that implanted death on to all the races of the universe is currently beign bitch slapper about by Marines, the one creature that was able to resist him placing the fear of death on to them is now the most popular race in the seting and is routinely fought in hand to hand combat by a man, like you, with body armor that you can buy down the road and a weapon marginally more useful than the one your grandfather used in WW2.
Chaos is not beatable, they are abstract concepts that take form in the physical universe and their own realm, which is the psyche of all living things.
For chaos to exist in Marvel you would have to connect the souls of the setting to Chaos itself, or else it literally doesn't work as intended, in which case the argument is pointless as its no longer proper chaos.
Understanding that, should Chaos be implemented, the Marvel Universe is fucked.
Fighting Khorne, the very act of fighting against Khorne, fuck it fighting period, sustains him and makes his existence absolute. Khorne, the chaotic entity, cannot be defeated through any kind of war fare as that concept IS him.
You can say "but ____ beat death, but ____ conquered universes, but ______ killed gods" and that is all as well, but Khorne is NOT a God, he is called it but from the perspective lore Khorne, and the other "chaos gods" are representations of all life. Khorne is war, combat, hatred, the whole deal. Fighting him doesnt work by his very nature. At best your going to be lost in the struggle and work for him, Hell one of his greatest champions is a deamon hell bent on killing him, as the action alone fuels the War god.
Even with the others its a huge maybe, Slannesh is the most likely to be beatable, since he plays upon emotions and is the weakest, but any being with a shred of mortality will be his/hers/its forever simply by looking upon it. .
Nurgle could be beaten back, but he represents the cycle of death and life, wiping him out involves ending the cycle entirely, probably not a "win condition" for marvel heroes.
Tzeentch, by his definition, can never be beaten unless he wants to be. He is magic incarnate. Yeah, all those crazy magic characters... fuck it they wield the pieces of his very staff with their spells. He has plans that always could ensure he wins, by his nature. Hell he could win the 40k setting immediately with a plan he has, but doing so would remove any more needs for plans.
>>47157972
Doctor Strange BTFO's the Chaos Gods in a single hour, status quo is restored.
Chaos Gods are fucking chumps in Marvel. Marvel frequently deals with gods who destroy entire universes in their wars.
>>47162655
BWAHAHAHAA
Pic related sweeps up the Chaos Gods in a single fucking hour. It's literally Strange's job to kill incomprehensible unbeatable eldritch abominations. Strange is completely capable of sealing off the warp from all other universes and thus imprisoning Chaos in the immaterium for eternity.
I'm actually a massive 40k fanboy, but you people make me fucking disgusted.
>>47162655
Marvel has an actual capital O omnipotent god.
The One Above All says no, and Chaos stops existing entirely. Not that there isn't a shitload of guys that could also do the same, including old Odin, Strange, Mephisto, etc. Chaos Gods are chump change in Marvel. And no, they're easy to kill because anybody can simply erase the warp itself and thus get rid of Chaos completely.
>>47162701
Doctor Strange comes to the 40k setting.... and is immediately mutated in to a screaming mess of Spawn and tentacles.
-Your character is played by Benidicitus Cumbubblepuncher. Your argument is hilariously invalid
>>47162718
Author self-insert? Because it sounds very cheesy.
>>47162719
No he wouldn't. Doctor Strange is more powerful than both the Chaos Gods and the God Emperor. This is the guy whose job is to BTFO all the eldritch abominations of Marvel, who are also much more powerful than the Chaos Gods.
Cosmic superheroes are completely out of 40k's league and are capable of killing the entire setting pretty damn easily. For a comparison of scale, the Chaos Gods compared to the average enemy god of Strange are like the lesser daemons compared to the chaos gods themselves. They'd be a mook solved in single issue.
>>47162655
Ant-Man beats the snot out of all of them. Basically, kill yourself for thinking 40k is so high on the powerlevel list that it can tussle with capeshit. Nothing can rassle with capeshit except other capeshit.
>>47162655
Adding on to that...
Tzeentch is the fount of magic and literal creation. That puts him in the realm of The One Above All.
The material universe of Warhammer is not representative of the power of the Gods in their own realm, they are parasitic in nature. The very struggle against them feeds them through the paradox of their existence. The only plots that ever really had chances of stopping them were the Necron's old plan to close all gates to the warp and harvest all psychic "read, anyone able to do magic or psychic mind based powers" creatures into cattle of hopeless slaves, waiting to be devoured by the physical embodiments of entropy OR to kill off humanity right as they began feeding on them shortly after their births, starving them until they resort to the primordial warp stuffs they originated from, but seeing as humanity has constantly been threatened in the Marvel universe and each time the hero's save humanity from said threat... that aint logically happening.
Should a being of enough strength actually arise to challenge the "chaos gods" then they align and manipulate the mortals into achieving the downfall of their opponent.
Basically Khorne and Tzeentch, based on their concepts, are essentially unbeatable by the standard Marvel Universe, not without going "but this guy is supposed to be the strongest" and even then, once chaos is introduced, that character is only the strongest BECAUSE Tzeentch hasn't enacted a plan to overthrow them.
The only beings that threaten other Chaos Gods are each other, Tzeentch was once tag teamed by the 3 others when he crafted his rod of magic. But Khorne is also stated as able to kill the others, but doing so would fuck up the balance of the Warp entirely so he doesnt.
Bottom line, this is a dumb question. Chaos is designed to be inevitable, when you make it beatable it misses the whole point of chaos in the first place.
>>47162737
The One Above All isn't an author insert, he's literally -the- God. YHWH. Vishnu. All those omnipotent gods of humanity's mythology rolled into one that is the supreme being of marvel's canon. Nothing is more powerful than him besides the writer and editor. Although from a philosophical standpoint, one could say that he is the personification of all the writers, editors, and artists of marvel given his powers enable him to bitchslap anything he doesn't like on account of being all-powerful.
Could Marvel beat Powerman?
>>47162607
Galactus?
>>47162775
Dude concepts are completely beatable in Marvel. Marvel literally has a realm of concepts and they can totally be killed by anybody with the power. Death itself has been killed before so nobody could die. Marvel is the kind of place where you could kill gravity itself to make all atoms fly apart.
And no, the Chaos Gods are not remotely in the realm of the One Above All because the One Above All is omnipotent, by definition nothing is capable of coming infinitely close of his power because he is all-powerful, meaning nothing can rival him, or else he wouldn't be all powerful. The One Above All can end existence itself if he wanted, not only extinguishing the universes, but the very idea of it. He's YHWH. If he doesn't like it, it doesn't exist anymore.
>>47162701
>Says magic user can beat the being that is literally the fount of all magic.
>Tries to be serious
Nigga if Chaos is applied to 40k EVERY ONE of Dr. Strange's Spells, his very fucking spells, are Tzeentch's.
He literally cant defeat Tzeentch because his magic IS Tzeentch. He is awesome because Tzeentch lets him be.
Any "forms of magic" he makes are Tzeentch, any abilities he tries, are fucking Tzeentch.
His plans to seal the warp, ALL INVOLVE TRYING TO USE THE WARP TO DO IT.
Fuck I love Strange but seriously man... your missing the point.
>>47162799
By definition the One Above All is omnipotent, so yes. If the One Above All and Powerman met, they would have to be the same being, because there cannot be two omnipotent beings.
>itt 40k babbies getting assblasted because there are settings that completely shit on 40k
>>47162809
And you don't understand Strange. Tzeentch is WEAKER than him. Tzeentch doesn't have feats for the level of power Strange has, along with all of 40k. Strange also has zero connection with the warp, as the immaterium is a specific universe attached only to 40k's reality, and Strange by definition would be a pariah. As would all things not born in the 40k universe, as they have zero connection to the immaterium.
>>47162809
But Strange isn't coming to 40k in this hypothetical, Chaos is coming to Marvel. And Marvel already has magic, so Tzeentch by definition can't be the fount of magic in the Marvel universe. It's like how in JLA/Avengers, the Scarlet Witch could still use her magic spells but the feedback from using DC's magical energies fucked her shit up something good.
>>47162806
Chaos, is by definition, all powerful, omnipotent, and can even exists when it technically cant.
>>47162820
Following this logic One Above All is chaos as well...
Chaos is writer, poorly I might add, but written as unbeatable. Anything less then that and its no longer the concept of Chaos.
So if the best the marvel universe has is throwing The One Above All at it and stating "but he is unbeatable" then the paradox of two unbeatable beings exist, doesn't mean the rest of the marvel universe isn't fucked completely though.
What about the Flash? (DC, I know) but just him. How would he fare in 40k?
>>47162871
Does he have access to the Speed Force? If not, he's fucked. If he does, he's unbeatable.
FYI 40K fags, you know that game we played as kids, and there was that kid who said "you can't shoot me, I'm the invincible unbeatable hero Xorblox of Borblax"? Marvel is like that, but in regards to everything. There is always going to be some guy who is absolutely untouchable, unbeatable, and all powerful that can squash everybody else. Same with DC, but the number of those guys with unlimited power is smaller.
It's why reading comics is boring, because the status quo is impossible to change by act literal fucking god.
>>47162865
>Chaos, is by definition, all powerful, omnipotent
The hell it is. Only its worshipers claim nonsense like that. The gods themselves have demonstrated no such traits.
>>47162865
In the 40k universe where emotions have a direct mental link to the Warp. That shit don't exist in Marvel, or any other universe for that matter.
>>47162865
>Chaos, is by definition, all powerful, omnipotent, and can even exists when it technically cant.
HA
Holy fucking shit I didn't know you retards still existed!
The Chaos Gods aren't omnipotent you fucking retard, and I'm going to be using that word a lot because you are legitimately retarded and know next to nothing about 40k. The Chaos Gods are stopped by the God Emperor of mankind from consuming the materium, which by definition makes them not omnipotent. On top of this Gork and Mork are more powerful than the Chaos Gods, and the Chaos Gods have fixed dates of creation before which they didn't even exist. If you had a time machine and shot the old ones before they could evolve, the Chaos Gods wouldn't even exist. On top of this you can't even read quotes right, because the Daemon Codex says the chaos gods are omnipotent.... IN THE WARP.
On top of this all 40k fiction is not canon and canon, as part of it is propaganda. Occam's Razor says that, from the obvious conclusions that the Chaos Gods have been foiled multiple times and even got beat up by a fucking psyker (AKA the Emperor), they aren't Omnipotent.
They also can't be omnipotent by the definition of the word, because only one thing can be omnipotent. You can't have four people that are all powerful, because they wouldn't be all powerful if somebody else also shared that power with them.
Jesus Christ I hate 40k newfags who don't know shit about the lore.
>>47162879
>The ability to access the Speed Force has been limited to only a few individuals in the DC Universe and when DC characters travel to the Marvel Universe, they are unable to access the Speed Force.
I guess he's fucked.
>>47162865
>Chaos is omnipotent
>Stopped by a single human psyker
>Ignored wholesale by Gork and Mork.
Dude, I ain't even touched a single codex and I know better than that. C'mon man.
>>47162852
>>47162849
>>47162899
see >>47162775
If Chaos existed in Marvel, then by definition all magic is a part of Tzeentch. It isn't actually Tzeentch if he isnt magic, because then its not Tzeentch and the comparison fades.
By that point the argument is invalid because your not "beating Chaos" your beating "an imaginary, not really, chaos in which aspects you dont want or find troublesome arent true" and thus any argument is pointless. I can just say "well thats NOT chaos then" and your arguments are wasted.
Technically, in 40k lore, magic existed before Tzeentch was made by humanity, but also by lore Tzeentch existed forever since creation as the fount of magic.
They are paradox concepts that are heavily involved in reality. You dont just "have" magic without his influence in some form.
The Immaterium as a whole would have to be considered as Chaos IS it. The Marvel universe would have to have its attachment for Chaos to actually BE chaos, otherwise you water down the point of it, again making the comparison pointless.
>>47162915
>>47162890
>>47162951
Tzeentch fucking IS. His actions allow him to, should he desire, defeat ALL enemies of him and reign supreme. He knows all and has plans for EVERY living fucking thing.
EVERY example of Chaos 'Losing' is based on the premise that Tzeentch chooses to lose, because once he wins there is no point. This is basic fluff right here. Your looking at the smallest points and missing the greater points that Chaos wants to be foiled on these short terms, as that fucking feeds it.
The point of the 40k setting itself is that the Emperor NEVER beat Chaos, the setting is in fact DOOMED to it. The Emperor failed in every manner and the empire he made has been feeding them for 10,000 years, because it was "just as planned"
>>47162915
This faggot right here is hiding behind the "its all not canon" and "muh propoganda" at which point the same holds for Marvel. All of Marvel is inconsistent as shit.
>>47162951
>Stopped by a single human psyker
You realize that Chaos won the Horus Heresy entirely with the Imperium becoming the way it did right? The Cabal already pointed out that the outcome was Chaos' most favorable one.
>>47163028
>This faggot right here is hiding behind the "its all not canon" and "muh propoganda" at which point the same holds for Marvel. All of Marvel is inconsistent as shit.
No it isn't. Unless it's been retconned, it's all canon. 40k however has no fixed canon.
>>47163028
>If Chaos existed in Marvel, then by definition all magic is a part of Tzeentch. It isn't actually Tzeentch if he isnt magic, because then its not Tzeentch and the comparison fades.
No it fucking wouldn't. If Chaos existed in Marvel it'd still be just the 40k universe with the immaterium leeched onto it. They'd be some obscure minor alternate universe that gets blown the fuck out by Strange the second it tries anything funny to any of the main universes, or gets swallowed up by one of Strange's enemies. Only people born in the 40k material universe have warp souls and are connected to the warp. Everybody outside of that universe would be a pariah and be poison to chaos. There is no "implementation". Marvel already has its own source of magic and gods which back up Strange and other cosmic magical heroes.
You -do- know what Marvel is filled with an infinite amount of alternate bubble universes like in the multi-verse theory which are their own self contained realms? Tzeentch is only the fountain of magic in 40k, and that would remain such. He wouldn't suddenly become a multiversal god of all Marvel's reality, he isn't even that shit in 40k. He'd be a minor deity from a minor universe with minor power barely able to throw a punch against the big time cosmic entities of Marvel. It's a goldfish intimidating a great white.
>>47163043
Do you know what omnipotent means ? the chaos could just wish the imperium out of existence if it was the case.
Or instantly converting any fucking people in the imperium to the chaos.
>>47162951
>>Stopped by a single human psyker
They weren't. Horus was meant to die.
In fact, the Emperor cannot come close to the presence of the Chaos Gods without risking death.
>Ignored wholesale by Gork and Mork.
The Chaos Gods are stated to be the most powerful entities in the Warp. Gork and Mork ,while powerful, are not on the level of the Chaos Gods.
>>47163067
>40k however has no fixed canon.
That's not true. (picture related).
>>47162871
Chaos doesn't really care about time, the Speed Force doesn't really matter.
If I'm correct the only character that could beat Chaos in DC would be Superman, what with the whole "Word of God" of the authors stating that Superman will always be able to solve any issue and overcome any trial, even impossible ones. But that involves reaching to the metaphorical aspect of Superman, far from the canonical Superman, in which case magic still fucks with him, and Chaos is pretty much all magic.
Still, Superman vs a Bloodthirster would be rad as all else.
>>47163094
>They weren't. Horus was meant to die.
>we take the words of daemons as evidence now
wewlad
>The Chaos Gods are stated to be the most powerful entities in the Warp. Gork and Mork ,while powerful, are not on the level of the Chaos Gods.
God you newfags are annoying. Gork and Mork were noted to have bitchslapped Khorne.
>>47163102
Irrelevant. The word of an editor does not overrule the statement from the head of the Black Library itself. Not to mention that Laurie is well known for trying to twist shit to fit his own agenda.
Plus the word of an editor isn't a canon policy. He doesn't own the IP or employed to speak for it.
>>47163109
>Still, Superman vs a Bloodthirster would be rad as all else.
By rad if you mean "over before it started", then yes. Superman is way out of the fucking league of something that is given trouble by a primarch.
>>47162775
>Tzeentch is the fount of magic and literal creation. That puts him in the realm of The One Above All.
...not at all. The One Above All is capital O Omnipotant. The Chaos Gods are powerful but that is an entirely new level.
>>47163076
Do you understand what Tzeentch means? Because he CAN do all that, he doesn't WANT TO. He is the God of plans and manipulation. If he did any of that then he would no longer have a goal to plan for, and thus have no reason to exist which is distasteful for him. Its not a limitation or a weakness, its just his nature. If an enemy rose that was so powerful that needed to enact his great plan, he would.
Hell Khorne could end the physical universe with his own sword. Doesnt mean its what he wants. Same with The One Above All as well. As an Omnipotent being he COULD just end everything, but seeing as it all exists he clearly doesnt. Same with Chaos.
>>47163125
>wewlad
We take what was obvious and heavily implied in the fluff. From reading Vengeful Spirit you know that he was set up to die.
>Gork and Mork were noted to have bitchslapped Khorne.
Bullshit. That never happened.
>>47163135
You mean an editor who works with the IP manager on regular basis on the most important series if books.
His word > your statements
>>47163174
[Citation needed]
>>47163174
Which all means shit. Them talking shit means fuck-all unless they can be proven to be capable of doing so in the first place. Or are you too young to post on here and thus haven't heard of something called hyperbole and unreliable sources?
>Hey guys I could destroy the universe with this stick, but I won't and you guys should thank me!
>>47163125
If we are not allowed to take the words of the sources as evidence then The One Above All isnt Omnipotent, because characters in the comics say so.
There chaos wins...
>Gork and Mork were noted to have bitchslapped Khorne.
Never happened, Khorne is the strongest warp entity, unless your implying that Gork and Mork are stronger then all of Chaos combined, because Khorne actually IS.
>>47163192
Yeah, I'm gunna second this. Concidering Daemonfuge had Slanneshi forces going Pants on Head Crazy trying to prevent the Eldar learning the True Name of Slannesh with which to end him.
>>47163174
if both Tzeentch and Khorne could destroy reality if they wanted then by definition neither of them is omnipotent
>>47163182
>We take what was obvious and heavily implied in the fluff. From reading Vengeful Spirit you know that he was set up to die.
No it wasn't. In fact the fluff says the Chaos Gods fled from Horus' body in fear as the Emperor erased him from existence.
>Bullshit. That never happened.
>Waaah, I don't like it therefore it never occured
Too bad. It's canon as anything else in 40k.
>You mean an editor who works with the IP manager on regular basis on the most important series if books.
Is it his job to manage canon such as the hyperspace bros of old star wars? Was he given permission to speak on behalf of the IP in an official statement? Oh, he wasn't?
>>>/out/
>>47163212
>If we are not allowed to take the words of the sources as evidence then The One Above All isnt Omnipotent, because characters in the comics say so.
We can't take the sources of 40k as truth because it has unreliable narrator that may be lying. No such thing in marvel exists, the narrator is completely unreliable. If you don't like it, bitch about it to GeeDubs. I'm sure they'll change the canon policy because your dad got beat up by somebody else's dad.
>so assmad he applies the canon policy of 40k to marvel
kek
>Never happened, Khorne is the strongest warp entity, unless your implying that Gork and Mork are stronger then all of Chaos combined, because Khorne actually IS.
Too bad bitchboy. Ork codex says Gork and Mork laid into Khorne and smacked him silly. This is just as canon as statements that chaos is omnipotent, only more likely true because it's actually logically consistent unlike the loops you'd have everybody jump through for four beings to all be omnipotent (lawl).
>>47163212
>unless your implying that Gork and Mork are stronger then all of Chaos combined
Nigger, Gork and Mork are so ahead of the Chaos Gods that it's not even worth the effort. Remember: There are entire galaxies of Orcs, and really just only part of one galaxy of Chaos.
>>47163028
>If Chaos existed in Marvel, then by definition all magic is a part of Tzeentch. It isn't actually Tzeentch if he isnt magic, because then its not Tzeentch and the comparison fades.
Then why does he have Horrors going around, collecting the spells he lost?
Why did he need to throw one of his daemons into the time rift so it could see the future, something he was incapable of?
>>47163264
>completely unreliable.
Woops, fucked this up. I mean the narrator of marvel is completely reliable. A source in marvel is only unreliable if it's been retconned and is no longer canon in the first place.
>>47163266
Because Clearly Tzeench WANTED to be retarded!
Pay no attention to the flawed god behind the curtain! All part of my master plan!
>>47163266
don't even bother, this is just a refluffed version of the age old argument that 40k wins from all other scifi settings because everyone else gets instakilled by chaos the minute the fight begins because warp now overtakes everything
the "lets retroactively make a setting part of 40k instead of a neutral battleground"
>>47163241
>No it wasn't. In fact the fluff says the Chaos Gods fled from Horus' body in fear as the Emperor erased him from existence.
That's old lore and that's not exactly how it happened.
The HH books are re-writing the events and from what we know now from the series is that Horus is being set up to die for them.
>Too bad. It's canon as anything else in 40k.
Fuck you. Learn to read. I said It didn't happen because there is no source that states this. Don't be throwing lies around.
>Is it his job to manage canon
Yep, the HH canon for example and he gets to work with the guy that does.
So again, his words > yours.
It's hilarious how chaosfags drink the kool-aid so much they're no different from the cultists in-universe
Chaos has gone meta! Nothing can stop them now as they exist even in reality.
>>47163153
BOTH are big O Omnipotent, the reason this argument is stupid is that we are trying to put two omnipotent things into the same setting, which is a paradox.
>>47163201
The One Above All is in the same boat there. Both are all powerful in their settings and based on hyperbole. Fuck The One Above All is an artist insert at times, that's how fucking inconsistent that character is.
>>47163240
adjective
adjective: omnipotent
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
Chaos is still one thing fucktard. The 4 'gods' are all chaos, its a weird trinity kind of concept. "Chaos" is Omnipotent.
>>47163285
>>47163266
don't be too harsh, or this anon will hang itself out of existence to a lost internet argument.
>>47163264
>Too bad bitchboy. Ork codex says Gork and Mork laid into Khorne and smacked him silly.
An outright lie. No Ork codex says this.
>>47163299
>That's old lore and that's not exactly how it happened.
>The HH books are re-writing the events and from what we know now from the series is that Horus is being set up to die for them.
There is no "old lore". Something is only non-canon when it is declared a heretic tome. Unless the old lore has been declared a heretic tome, it is just as canon as the new lore.
>Fuck you. Learn to read. I said It didn't happen because there is no source that states this. Don't be throwing lies around.
Yes there is dumbass, Ork codex.
>Yep, the HH canon for example and he gets to work with the guy that does.
Cool. Then show where it was stated to be an official release from the Black Library and how he was speaking on behalf of the head of the Black Library.
Oh?
He wasn't? He was just stating his opinion piece on his forum?
>>>/out/
>>47163322
You know, Outdoors must be pissed they get sent everyone's rejects.
>>47163298
>When 40k fans do it its wrong
>When Marvel Fans do it its right
What a retard
>>47163309
given that one of the chaos gods was created by mortal beings, no, no we most certainly do not have a god damn trinity concept
the 4 chaos gods are very much separate entities and as a direct result neither of them is omnipotent
>>47163309
>both are big O omnipotent
Not in the physical universe, fampai. Khorne in the Warp, sure. In the real world he's a big gayby who needs his diaper changed and a nap.
>>47163338
I know, right?
>Who the fuck are these asshole arguing about fantasy settings and saying that they put clips in their guns?
>>47163309
>BOTH are big O Omnipotent, the reason this argument is stupid is that we are trying to put two omnipotent things into the same setting, which is a paradox.
The Chaos Gods are not omnipotent. Not remotely.
>The One Above All is in the same boat there. Both are all powerful in their settings and based on hyperbole. Fuck The One Above All is an artist insert at times, that's how fucking inconsistent that character is.
Marvel doesn't have any hyperbole in the sense of unreliable narrators unless it's the theme of a specific story. But Marvel in general lacks hyperbole and is more absurdly powerful dudes in latex punching each other out with the power of gods but nothing changes because the status quo is eternal.
>Chaos is still one thing fucktard. The 4 'gods' are all chaos, its a weird trinity kind of concept. "Chaos" is Omnipotent.
No they aren't. The Chaos Gods are separate creatures which not only have creators (life), but came to existence at different times, but also are individual entities. Tzeentch has a body for fuck's sake and there are limit's to his knowledge.
>itt faggots who didn't read the Ahriman trilogy
>>47163339
haven't seen marvel fans do it
if marvel fans were actually doing it their argument would be
"the minute the fight begins the chaos gods die and the IoM can no longer travel FTL because the warp does not exist in the marvel universe"
>>47163339
>The 4 gods of chaos have, through assorted acts of warp fuckery, become aware of a the reality where one of the major marvel universes takes place(616 probably). For their own amusement, they set about corrupting and conquering as many heroes as they can.
>4 chaos gods
>enter Marvel universe
>thus, they are in the Marvel universe
You are a dumb fanboy.
>>47163346
Even in the warp, not really. The Chaos gods can all brawl with each other and all of them have claimed 'I'm totally the best one'
>>47163266
See >>47163028
>EVERY example of Chaos 'Losing' is based on the premise that Tzeentch chooses to lose, because once he wins there is no point. This is basic fluff right here. Your looking at the smallest points and missing the greater points that Chaos wants to be foiled on these short terms, as that fucking feeds it.
But to fully answer. The staff was broken by conflict WITHIN chaos itself. Entirely different argument then an outsider doing the same shit.
But you would know that if you actually read something.
>>47163322
>Unless the old lore has been declared a heretic tome, it is just as canon as the new lore.
Nope.
Unless you can see into the future and can tell us how final fight is going to go down, then you have nothing.
The HH series changed plenty of things about the fluff. For example, guess where the Emperor got his powers from? The Chaos Gods granted him the power and elevated him to godhood. It's also stated that can vulnerable to their power.
>Yes there is dumbass, Ork codex.
You are the dumbass here because it isn't in the ork codex.
>Cool.
He is telling you how canon works in 40K. GW never made an official statement. So his word is as good as it gets and it's better than an anons word.
>>47163360
>EVERY example of Chaos 'Losing' is based on the premise that Tzeentch chooses to lose, because once he wins there is no point. This is basic fluff right here. Your looking at the smallest points and missing the greater points that Chaos wants to be foiled on these short terms, as that fucking feeds it.
Why would Chaos need to be 'Fed' if it's Omnipotant?
>>47163360
doesn't chaos requiring to be fed directly contradict your notion its omnipotent?
>>47163360
The point isn't that he won or lost or anything like that.
The point is that how is he the embodiment of magic if there are spells he doesn't know? How is he omnipotent is he can't see the future?
>>47163358
And Chaos is the pool of all sentient life, the fountain of all magic.
Are you saying that not applying aspects of Chaos and its immaterium to Marvel's universe on contact is NOT neutering Chaos and making it NOT a neutral battleground.
God your retarded.
>>47157972
They kick 90% of the heores asses, then that 10% of reality warpers and cosmic power/ gods come along, and the one above all thrown in there too and they rape the fuck out the chaos gods
>>47163378
>And Chaos is the pool of all sentient life, the fountain of all magic.
In 40k. In Marvel, other stuff is those things and you'd be neutering THEM if you declared 'No, it's really Chaos that's all those things!'
>>47163378
Hey, they're the ones who chose to invade a universe way outmatching their power levels. Scarlet Witch alone would give these guys a run for their money, let alone Franklin Richards or Dormammu.
>>47163366
>The HH series changed plenty of things about the fluff. For example, guess where the Emperor got his powers from? The Chaos Gods granted him the power and elevated him to godhood. It's also stated that can vulnerable to their power.
Except the old books have not been declared heretic tomes and are therefore still canon. Try to keep up.
>You are the dumbass here because it isn't in the ork codex.
Yes it is.
>He is telling you how canon works in 40K. GW never made an official statement. So his word is as good as it gets and it's better than an anons word.
>GW will never make an official statement
So his word is full of shit and worthless then because it isn't actually official, and when he takes off the hat he's just a normal person like everybody else. Laurie's word only matters when it's backed up by the Black Library/GW itself, not when he's just talking about what may be his own opinion. Not to mention that Gav Thorpe has said the complete opposite to boot.
>>47163394
>So his word is full of shit and worthless then because it isn't actually official, and when he takes off the hat he's just a normal person like everybody else. Laurie's word only matters when it's backed up by the Black Library/GW itself, not when he's just talking about what may be his own opinion. Not to mention that Gav Thorpe has said the complete opposite to boot.
It's like how it works with the pope. The pope is only infallible when he SAYS 'This is the official statement from god and now part of the canon of the faith'. Otherwise he's just a human saying human things.
It's why 'Trump is not a Christian' isn't Catholic Canon right now.
>>47163378
>And Chaos is the pool of all sentient life, the fountain of all magic.
>what are pariahs
>what are blanks
>what are eldar
>what are orks
>what are korks
>what are old ones
Chaosfags roleplay so intensely they become a blight upon reality just like their fictional counterparts.
Chaos didn't even exist until humans made it you dumb fuck.
>>47163109
It's really the perception thing that matters. If he can percieve the speed of light as if it were frozen he should never be hit by anything and could think days worth of thoughts in <1 second. It's mostly the author having no sense of scale there but they accidentally gave him Spidey Sense x 10000~000 or so if that's true.
>>47163357
Marvel Fag "Lets see chaos fight marvel! Dont worry Dr. Strange will Magic it all away!"
40k Fag " But if Chaos exists then Tzeentch is the source of magic due to his nature"
Marvel Fag "No its not, chaos isnt effecting marvels magic"
This shit right here. If Chaos is open to the Marvel universe it makes sense that its feeding on it and influences it the same way it effects 40k and Fantasy. There is no "one source of magic" in marvel, so Tzeentch isn't blocked from taking that roll in the setting. Its babies that dont like the idea of magic and psychic powers suddenly becoming dangerous to its users, which fucks the setting up.
>>47163394
>Except the old books have not been declared heretic tomes and are therefore still canon. Try to keep up.
You idiot.
Plenty of books haven't been stated as heretical tomes. They were just overwritten and overridden by the newer books.
For example, the Oldcron codex lore is not canon after the Newcron codex popped out.
>Yes it is.
Prove it.
>Laurie's word only matters when it's backed up by the Black Library/GW itself, not when he's just talking about what may be his own opinion.
His word, like i said, holds more weight than anons or someone that hasn't worked for GW directly for years like Gav.
>>47163408
As an aside, I love it when people don't understand what ex cathedra means and think every single word the Pope says is holy writ, somehow.
>>47160116
why?
>>47163374
He CAN see the future, and a being limiting itself in a manner doesn't mean that it cant undo its limitation.
>>47163417
if chaos is open to the marvel universe and the marvel universe's magic is not dangerous then by direct definition the marvel universe's magic is unrelated to chaos or even worse, marvel magic users are actually more powerful than the chaos gods and capable of bending chaos to their whims
>>47163408
Exactly. If he's put on the "this is the official word of Games Workshop and this statement is a press release" then it's fucking official. If the hat is off, he's stating something no different from when you or I talk about something, IE fuck all to do with canon because we're not the IP owners. The only guy who can blab any day and have it reflect the canon is the IP owner, because he is the main author and owner of the idea itself.
This is why Warsies followed whatever George Lucas said about Boba Fett intently and gave zero fucks about what an editor said on the subject.
>>47163422
Yeah, it's been used...four (iirc) time in all of history.
It's a big fucking deal when it's used.
Here is a bit of juicy fluff.
If one of the Chaos Gods wins the Great Game, then all multiverse will be destroyed.
>>47163420
>Plenty of books haven't been stated as heretical tomes. They were just overwritten and overridden by the newer books.
>For example, the Oldcron codex lore is not canon after the Newcron codex popped out.
Then it's just as canon as the old books per GW's actual canon policy. Everything is true, but everything may be full of lies. The only thing that is outright fully non-canon is heretic tomes. But hey, reach harder, I'm sure you'll pick that fruit.
>His word, like i said, holds more weight than anons or someone that hasn't worked for GW directly for years like Gav.
No it doesn't. If it ain't official, it's worth exactly as much as shit is.
>>47163442
>The only guy who can blab any day and have it reflect the canon is the IP owner, because he is the main author and owner of the idea itself.
Basically: Jesus saying stuff vs the Pope saying stuff.
>>47162809
Strange uses Enuncia, your argument is invalid.
>>47163417
Or perhaps they don't like 'No, you see if 40k and Marvel interact then 40k canon MUST have primacy in how it works, even if it changes everything and anything about the other setting'
>>47163434
The LITERAL fluff of Kairos is that the Well of Eternity is the one puzzle that Tzeench can't solve, and he fears entering it himself.
And that Kairos can now see things that even his creator is unaware of. Like the future.
>>47163486
Especially when the premise is "Chaos Gods come to Earth-616" but apparently Chaos are like the Zerg, spreading creep and fucking up the joint where-ever they go, and damn the notion that there's zero fluff to back that up!
>>47163461
It also says that the gods are NOT strong enough to do it right now. They'd need to somehow best all 3 others to get that power.
>>47163461
>what is hyperbole for $5000
>>47163471
>Then it's just as canon as the old books per GW's actual canon policy. Everything is true, but everything may be full of lies. The only thing that is outright fully non-canon is heretic tomes. But hey, reach harder, I'm sure you'll pick that fruit.
Nope.
That isn't GW's policy. That was the statement of the old manager of BL on the BL forums.
So no different than LG's.
> reach harder
How about you reach for the "Gork and Mork totally beat shit out of Khorne" from any Ork codex and post it, you bloody coward. You spent four posts yammering on it and now you dropping it?
>No it doesn't. If it ain't official
So is the other quote.
>>47163473
Eh, depends if you believe Christ is the literal son of God or an aspect of him containing part of his will/consciousness. Basically if Christ is lesser than God itself or is God.
>>47163510
Ain't hyperbole. We know for sure that the Chaos Gods have invaded and destroyed universes and realities before thanks to WHFB and AoS.
It isn't beyond reason that they can destroy all existence if their multiversal cosmic game went wrong.
>>47157972
And those people say with straight faces that Chaos Gods are "interesting antagonists", while C'Tan "are boring attempt to redo Chaos Gods".
>>47163512
>That isn't GW's policy. That was the statement of the old manager of BL on the BL forums.
>Manager of Black Library
>Manager
You keep on saying that.
>>47163532
No they haven't. WHFB/AOS are not connected to 40k anymore as that connection was retconned. This is pretty fucking obvious considering that Slaanesh in 40k still exists and isn't in the basement of a dark elf mantled god and replaced by a fucking rat.
>>47163528
Hypostatic Union says he's 100% god.
Still, you know what I was talking about. This is kinda a sidetrack.
>>47157972
>itt: Chaos fanboys try to wank on supremacy to everybody else and fail horribly
>>47163563
It was in the the forum post of the Marc Gascoigne the former publisher and editor for the Black Library, to be exact. That's the quote that keeps being thrown around.
He is in the same boat as LG. So I wonder why you take his word and not LG's.
>>47157972
I'm assuming that Chaos litterally just notices the Marvel universe and decides to just fuck its shit up.
Dude, EVERY wizard or psychic being in the marvel universe is fucking done. Their own brains, unprotected, can explode and have endless daemon armies poor through them. Having insane willpower means nothing unless you have the right gear and training to resist chaos. Its why Space Marine Librarians, Grey Knights, Eldar, and Imperial Psychers dont just explode, because they have serious training and regulation.
Hell the Emperor alone is all that keeps the 40k galaxy from having every psycher instantly die and become a warp rift. Entire planets are lost because some low grade psycher was missed by the inspection and eventually his head blew up.
Without the know how of the 40k setting the majority of psychers, wizards, sorcerers, and what not, starting from the strongest simply blow up in the first few hours. Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, Professor X, all their souls are devoured as their flames in the warp are beacons to its predators, many of which arent even bound to the gods, just chaos itself. An entire galaxy spaning race in 40k had 99.9% of its galactic population, the entire race being god like super psychers, souls ripped out in mere seconds. Marvel would unfortunately be in the same boat initially.
Those races with NO psychic potential are safe temporarily and the rest of the galaxy becomes fucked.
Humanity is completely fucked for sure. The Galactic alliances are fucked over immensely. The Valhalla realms are fucked as well for the most part.
There are factions that will survive for sure, whether they can hold out would be very interesting for sure. Archaon alone would be able to challenge beings like Odin or Galactus.
The only ways I know to beat chaos canonically and legitimately is to starve them or seal them entirely from your dimension.
cont.
>>47162334
> Why is Khorne smiling so happily?
War has never been so much fun...
>itt, chaosfags forget that Necrons were about to destroy the warp with super science
>>47162865
>Chaos, is by definition, all powerful, omnipotent
By which definition? Because I still remember Chaos Gods as by-products of War in Heaven, in which either side could smash them - Old Ones with their utter mastery of the Warp, and C'Tan with their ability to shut off Warp.
>>47163573
Actually, End Times had 40K easter eggs and in theWD interview about the twin releases of the fantasy daemon army book and daemon of chaos codex, it was said that daemons are the same in both settings.
And about Slaanesh? Time is convoluted in the Warp. So that's irrelevant.
>>47163560
Both are interesting as long as they are not capital O omnipotent.
Daemonfuge for instance was interesting and it had the main character in direct conflict with Slannesh itself. Because they were carrying something that could doom the god...but also could win because Slannesh wasn't all powerful.
>>47163597
Are you kidding? Mind shielding technology has been a mainstay of the Marvel Universe since the 1970s. Doctor Doom's got one, Magneto's got one, motherfucking Juggernaut has one, Reed Richards has his entire fucking building lined against telepaths and psychics. When you have mutants and every sixth mutant can fuck your brain, you figure out how to stop your brain from getting fucked really, really quickly.
>>47163597
No they won't. As every marvel human was born without warp energy, literally everything else in the marvel universe is a pariah. Daemons cannot possess them or even contact them without extraordinary practices that require somebody to force a daemon into them by ritual. Warp souls is actually a genetic thing and anything lacking the genes to have a warp soul will be a pariah/blank. This gene does not occur in marvel, therefore everybody will be soulless by 40k standards.
Daily reminder that the C'tan Gods were said to be omnipotent multiple times in the Necron codex.
>>47163597
>Their own brains, unprotected, can explode and have endless daemon armies poor through them.
I think Dr Strange calls that 'Tuesday'
>>47163629
>Both are interesting as long as they are not capital O omnipotent.
I agree. But currently fluff turned to full retard, making Chaos Gods omnipotent, all-powerful and invulnerable. Cue: Chaos wankery in this thread.
>>47163643
>"We already have omnipotent Gods in the fluff! Go away!"
>>47163643
They really sucked at it then.
>>47163627
No they aren't. Those are cheeky easter eggs dropped by authors and not evidence at all the universes are connected when GW SEVERED them several editions ago. This is also quite fucking obvious if you aren't obsessed with jerking off to the Chaos Gods as Slaanesh has a completely different origin in 40k. No to mention the power levels of the Chaos Gods are completely different in WHFB, AOS, and 40k, with the Chaos Gods being able to destroy stars in 40k and consume planets casually, yet struggling to do so in Fantasy and coming dangerously close of losing, and in AOS everybody and their mother is ending realms.
Cheeky references and cameos are not evidence of the universes being connected when the two were cut off IIRC around the 2nd or 3rd edition.
>>47163662
To be fair, the Necrons used the very weapons that the C'tan built for them to shatter them.
The C'tan were too arrogant to see that coming and didn't react quickly enough.
>>47163675
>more than one individual
>were actually defeated and broken
>one was even permanently destroyed
>omnipotent
You all keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I'm still super butthurt that Bimpleding Cessington got cast as Dr. Strange, should've been Hugh Laurie.
>>47163670
>Slaanesh has a completely different origin in 40k
The origin of Slaanesh was never mentioned in WHFB. It was only stated that he was the youngest.
>No to mention the power levels of the Chaos Gods are completely different in WHFB, AOS, and 40k, with the Chaos Gods being able to destroy stars in 40k and consume planets casually
My god are you reaching hard and misrepresenting the lore. The Old world was never important to the Chaos Gods (picture related from the 8th ED WoC army book). They were invading other worlds and realities as the Old World races were playing with the mud.
And what struggle? Are you going to say that the defeat of the forces of Chaos on a single world means they are weak? Then I motion for you to google Mordia. A 40K world where the combined armies of the Chaos Gods met defeat. Mordia being one of many worlds where mortals won. I guess this means 40K Chaos is very weak compared to Whfb! Derp.
>Cheeky references and cameos are not evidence of the universes being connected when the two were cut off IIRC around the 2nd or 3rd edition.
That's your opinion. Seeing the EYE OF TERROR in the 8th ED daemon army book makes me think otherwise.
>>47163692
If an omnipotent being created a weapon capable of harming or killing him, does he lose his omnipotent status?
>>47163597
So chaos cant be starved due to its food sources being other universes so it would have to be sealed. The only main way was the Necron's, with the pylon's fulled by soullessness to close the eye of terror and then exterminate all psychic life. However, that has been retconed, as such there is no natural way for Marvel to easily win. But I'll keep that concept as its the most workable.
For the sake of my argument, Omnipotent beings such as The One Above All cant directly shut down chaos, as chaos isnt a part of its reality and as such is beyond their direct manipulation. Otherwise its the "unstoppable object vs immovable object" debate we are seeing.
Marvel will need to do a few things.
1. Survive the eyes of terrors and warp rifts that break through reality.
2. Find a way to create some area of stability from the endless deamon assaults.
3. Discover that blanks, souless beings, can resist the warps and cause it to weak/ retreat.
4 Do the above without magic/ psychic powers
5. Genetically make a race of souless beings, again, without magic of psychic abilities.
6. Surround the various rips in reality with armies of these beings and slowly and costly close the portals, or turn all living things souless.
That's the main path to victory I see.
>>47163635
I can understand this, I didnt think of this one. That would leave those under current protection alive, which helps alot.
>>47163639
At this point the argument is stupid, as then Chaos wouldn't notice the universe in the first place entirely. Blanks are almost completely invisible to Chaos. I HAVE to assume that souls function in a similar way as they do in fantasy and 40k. Otherwise there is no argument. Without psychers and magic Chaos literally cant affect the setting overall as they have no way in.
Besides, characters like Mephisto deal in "souls" all the time.
>>47163716
Liber Chaotica made constant references to the writer seeing visions of the armies of chaos in 40k. While its not specifically stated its pretty fucking clear there is a connection.
>>47163735
>At this point the argument is stupid, as then Chaos wouldn't notice the universe in the first place entirely. Blanks are almost completely invisible to Chaos. I HAVE to assume that souls function in a similar way as they do in fantasy and 40k. Otherwise there is no argument. Without psychers and magic Chaos literally cant affect the setting overall as they have no way in.
>Besides, characters like Mephisto deal in "souls" all the time.
Souls in marvel and 40k are completely different. 40K souls are a genetic emotional tie to another universe and can be genetically engineered out of a person like the Necrons did while dicking around. In Marvel souls are like in the religious real life concept, the soul, the true being of life that goes on to heaven upon death while retaining the consciousness of the body. Anything outside of 40k shouldn't have a 40k soul, since it isn't actually natural and would only be found in 40k thanks to the way evolution went there.
Besides the argument is pointless because the entire 40k universe could exist in marvel right now as an alt universe. The Chaos Gods would only have dominion over it however due to being really really, really small fish to fry.
>>47163754
Yes, there is also that. Thanks for reminding me.
The guy saw the War in Heaven and even Abaddon's Black Crusades (He kept calling him the Abaddoned One).
>>47163730
Technically speaking the weapon would now be the strongest thing in existence, so probably yes.
>>47163766
Humanity in 40k wasnt made by the Old Ones and they had souls, Tau also just evolved and, while small, they have a presence in the warp. So its clear that sentient beings have some connection, irregardless of whether they were bred to have the connection or they simply evolved.
But if your argument is that psychers and magic doesnt count as "real souls" for chaos then there is no conflict here. You have to accept that there is a similarity, even if the methods of how they developed were different to do anything with this question. Besides, psychers in Marvel are genetic results, humanity is still humanity and would be touched by chaos. And magic is just tapping into the warps powers anyway.
>>47163809
Tyranids also have had no contact with any 40k races and their psychic aspects are manifested in the warp. Marvel would be in the same boat, just because they arent born in the 40k universe doesn't mean that chaos cant use their minds and souls.
>>47163809
>And magic is just tapping into the warps powers anyway.
In 40k, yes. In Marvel? Not so much.
The sort of stuff that Dr Strange does is Anathema to the idea of chaotic magic.
>>47163809
>And magic is just tapping into the warps powers anyway.
>>47163809
Those souls exist because of the way evolution ran its course in 40k. Marvel has no such dimension attached to the 616 or 1616 universe causing changes in evolution that would give its people warp souls. Different universes embark on different paths and 616 and most other marvel universes should be utterly devoid of warp related genes due to there not being an immaterium in the first place.
And no, there is no similarity. Warp affinity is explicitly a genetic trait naturally occurring in 40k and no-where else, just like magical affinity in the Old World of WHFB. Marvel mutants are completely different and result IIRC from Celestials dicking around during creation in the current timeline unless it got changed again.
And no, humanity =/= humanity. Alternate universes have different realities dude.
WH40k newfag here, I downloaded a buncha' books, where do I start reading? Horus heresy?
>>47164027
Read Eisenhorn.
>>47164043
Will do, thanks
>>47164043
also Inquisition War
>>47164027
Eisenhorn, if you want the classical version. Ciaphas Cain, if you want something lighter and less dogmatic. I liked Inquisition War, but some of the lore has since been changed (Squats no longer exist, for example) so it may be misleading.
Do not touch anything by C.S.Goto.
>>47164121
>>47164201
noted, literally.
>Do not touch anything by C.S.Goto.
Why?
>>47164241
He's a bad writer with basicly no respect for the canon of the setting. He writes stories that are not very good and are a terrible example of the setting as well.
>>47163868
Listen, you might be on to something, but this is the Marvel vs Chaos thread, so Chaos has to have SOME way of getting in. Your whining about doesnt change anything. Obviously Chaos would be a new discovery to the marvel universe, showing that they do have a connect, otherwise how is it showing up.
>>And no, humanity =/= humanity. Alternate universes have different realities dude.
THIS however is complete bullshit though. You have NO basis for that claim other then a means to hide your marvel universe from having to even face chaos. 40k is set on earth, as is Marvel, both factions developed from the same initial evolution. Your just making shit up now. Human are humans and if humans can be effected in already 2 different settings then they can be in marvel too..
>>47164281
>THIS however is complete bullshit though. You have NO basis for that claim other then a means to hide your marvel universe from having to even face chaos. 40k is set on earth, as is Marvel, both factions developed from the same initial evolution. Your just making shit up now. Human are humans and if humans can be effected in already 2 different settings then they can be in marvel too..
Yes there is. Alternate universes are just that, alternate. There is no consistency between them and any number of things, from minor to immense, can be different. Human =/= human. Not when there's billions of years for things to diverge from the point of creation with different creator races mucking about and different paths of evolution being taken, with Marvel humans being fucked around with hard.
>>47164420
Nope, now your just in fantasy land. I can say they are the same, and I actually have a leg to stand on. Are they human, yes. Do they have souls, yes. Do they have psychic beings and sorcerers, yes. Chaos can and will effect them. You dont get to pretent that souls are genetic, because in 40k they arent. You have to work to LOSE them, not make them. You have no rational claim besides "but I want to".
Human is Human, get fucking used to it..
Humans HAVE souls, the stuff Chaos connects to, not "only souls in universe x,y,and z. They have psychers and mages/sorcerers. Chaos WILL be able to effect them because the definitions dont change and there is NO basis for your petty claim to the contrary.
You dont get to decide that human isnt human. Chaos, sensing the souls of the Marvel universe attack,. Deal with it and stop trying to hide between what you "think" is or isnt a soul.
They'd get crushed like fucking ants by cosmic marvel. See cancerverse.
>>47157972
Dr. strage falls, then Shuma Gorath takes the opportunity enters the universe and destroys it.
Good work taking out the guy who specifically works against eldritch entities and gods for no reason
>>47162621
That's not how it works you mong, you can't make something many orders of magnitude more powerful than you disappear with 40k make believe
>>47164506
Except Marvel humans don't have warp souls you retard. They only will occur in the 40k universe as they are the specific result of genes that do not occur in marvel at all, and likely require the existence of the warp to exist in the first place. Nobody in marvel has a warp soul. Warp souls have fuck-all to do with the traditional definition of souls, the same with warp magic.
>>47162775
Oh yed because your shitty mythos has to supplant the existing sources of power.
Why do 40kiddies do this? It's fucking pathetic.
>>47157972
Squirrel Girl beats them up off panel.
>>47162701
Dr. Strange lost to Magik off panel, in less than an hour.
>>47162865
Why do you think your shitty chaos supplants the existing Chaos of Marvel, all the cosmic entities ly cyttorak and chthon, the infinity gems, eternity, all the reality warpers, the beyonder.
What because you assume then entering it means they force the universe to go by their rules? Are you retarded? Would a tetraplegic 5 year old force you to anything if it somehow broke into your house?
>>47164201
Squats exist again, same entry and Imperially sanctioned catgirls.
>>47164676
>Squirrel Girl beats them up off panel
Fucking this.
>>47164687
I don't think you get what happened to the squats. GW never removed them from the setting totally. They had them eaten by the Tyranids. They are extinct. Beyond a certain point, they shouldn't exist in the setting.
>>47164640
There is no such thing as "warp souls" bingus they are just souls, the same that marvel has.
Go whine some more. Souls exist in Marvel, NO WHERE in 40k cannon are souls described as different from ordinary souls, infact its an explanation of how they function. Something Marvel doesnt do consistently. Fuck your nonesense. Chaos is defined as dealing in "souls" Marvel has "souls" therefor they are effected. Your trying to make fake differences to try to save face for your idiocy.
>>47163597
>t-the chaos gods blow them up
>the marvel people can't resist mentally or magically fighting demons
Holy kek
Someone call /co/ right now
>Chaos is big O omnipotent
If Chaos was big O omnipotent then Tzeentch could raise an eyebrow and the rest of the entire universe would instantly lose and convert to Chaos forever, no questions asked, no ebin plotting required. The very fact that Chaos has to plot, fight, bicker between themselves to reach their goals proves that it's not omnipotent by a long shot. This also means that it by default loses to any actual omnipotent character - Presence, OAA, YHWH, God-man, Lord of Nightmares etc etc.
>>47164678
>Insert OP aspect of another setting into current setting
>whine like a bitch when your setting loses because invader is poorly defined and wins through its obscurity.
No, please go on Anon...
>>47164700
This is the only correct answer, because 40k doesn't have 4th wall breaking characters.
>>47164757
>If Chaos was big O omnipotent then Tzeentch could raise an eyebrow and the rest of the entire universe would instantly lose and convert to Chaos forever, no questions asked, no ebin plotting required.
But he doesn't do that, because it wouldn't be funny. Tzeentch is, at his core, a troll who loves to mess with people.
>>47164757
>being this dumb
If Presence, OAA, YHWH, God-man, Lord of Nightmares was big O omnipotent then Presence, OAA, YHWH, God-man, Lord of Nightmares could raise an eyebrow and the rest of the entire universe would instantly lose and convert to their rules forever, no questions asked, no ebin plotting required. The very fact that Presence, OAA, YHWH, God-man, Lord of Nightmares has to plot, fight, sit around to reach their goal proves that it's not omnipotent by a long shot. This also means that it by default loses to any actual omnipotent character - Chaos
Just because something is Omnipotent doesnt mean it HAS to force the setting into something. Chaos is Omnipotent, but chooses to allow aspects of disorder to it. Just like YHWH allows free will and the sin that resulted from it. Because being Omnipotent doesnt mean everything has to be as we imagine it. Especially when the Omnipotent entity in question, Chaos, is repeatably stated to have its motives well beyond the mind of mortals.
Think for a second.
>>47164506
Marvel sorcery and psionics has the same mechanics as 40k?
Marvel humans developed the same and are the same?
Despite the completely different history to boot? And the different universe mechanics?
>>47164761
Please leave.
>poorly defended
How are they fucking poorly defended when there are fucking niggers who spend all day defending from foreign entities of absurd power?
Do you assume there are no beings that pray on the weakened minds in Marvel?
You do know possession is a thing, alveit working differently right?
>OP
How is it OP aside from 40Kiddies trying to shovel their mechanics with "nuh uh now all Marvel Spells are warp spells we win!'
The moment when an ant can force a man to kneel and kiss it as it's lord and saviour is the moment chaos is strong enough to warp Marvel U. Specially if it's the entire Marvel multiverse.
>>47164795
>t-these omnipotent multiversal entities aren't omnipotent
>my entities that consistently stumble and are """"" omnipotent """"" however are legit
We both know they aren't actually omnipotent and you are just stroking the cold hard cock of Chaoswank made for chaosfags to feel better about their army choice, having no actual bearing on it's effect.
Anyway, Frankie just erases the rift as it appears because he doesn't want more meanies in his universe. Game over.
:^)
>>47164512
Didn't this at some point involve Imperial Guardsman walking into the Not Warp?
Could someone explain to me, please, why the fuck should 40K laws take precedence over Marvel laws, especially if Chaos Gods invade Marvel universe and not via versa?
>>47157972
This is exactly why they have the Sorceror Supreme.
He's fought back gods who've done a hell of a lot better job at conquering entire universes than Chaos.
>>47165081
By nature of them at the warp, it is something they would bring with them if they were to end up in the marvel universe at all. So by way of them move to the marvel universe, they would bring all that shit with them. Also, the warp can do whatever the fuck it wants because "it's the warp hurr", and probably the main way for them to get to the marvel universe
That said, pretty sure marvel have their own magic dimensions, so I'd sooner thing you'd have some clash between the warp and whatever else inherent magic marvel has, possibly a slow pollution, that everyone would have to fight about. Way more interesting than just "lol marvel explodes into daemons and loses" or "lol dr strange wins." It's a battle between bullshit reality warpers that both work on "because I say so" from the authors anyway.
>>47165207
To be fair, those Gods were actually sophont and not just living caricatures of their favorite shade of emotion-soul-ice-cream.
Let's be honest here, The Chaos Gods would stand a better chance in the DC universe, and then they would get eradicated by the fucking Lantern corps.
>>47162871
Flash was obviously exaggerating in that pic
So much frothing anger. And also people not reading others posts because they are too busy being mad. Heh.
>>47157972
Anyway back to the original question posed by this amusing shit stirrer, in which we assume for the sake of the thought exercise that Chaos and the Warp exist in Marvel.
An awful lot of bloodthirsty characters would fall to Khorne. Just about anyone that relishes violence for its own sake will be screaming his name sooner or later.
More than that I dunno, I'm tired.
>>47165238
Dr Destiny may prove a problem there.
>I'm literally empowered by the cosmic force of order for the purpose of bitchslapping the cosmic force of chaos.
>>47165257
It's hard to tell if that's the case because he can outrun time, that's true, and bringing up attoseconds felt almost too precise of a claim to be an exaggeration. Also cape writers have no sense of scale.
>>47165227
Them brining an alternate dimension with them is cool and all but assuming that they suddenlt change the rules of hoe the universe work and completely overwrite the existing powers is some silly shit.
>>47165238
Remember that thread where 40kids argued thst if the Justice League went to 40K they'd all lose their powers because those don't work in the 40K universe?
Now they are arguing 40K overwrites another universe's law if it moves there.
There is no argument here because these losers have a big grimdick in their mouths.
>>47163597
>Everything in the Marvel universe works on Chaos/40K rules, even though it's the Marvel universe, and has its own established rules.
Marvel deals with god-level extradimensional invaders all the time. They've thrown back things that are as powerful as all four chaos gods put together who have unquestioned, unchallenged rule over their entire home dimension.
>>47165371
>Justice League went to 40K they'd all lose their powers because those don't work in the 40K universe?
How does that make any sense? Even as a 40kid, this seems dumb.
>>47165360
That's why I argued for, having magic dimensions of the two clash instead of just having one trump the other.
>>47165389
The argument was that for them to have any powers in the 40K universe they'd need to be warp powers or things that function according to the 40K universe's laws, because the host universe takes precedence. Thus, say, Wonder Woman would be a mutant and Flash would draw on warp sorcery if they were to have any of their powers, and otherwise they'd be powerless.
So basically the opposite of what is being argued here, because WINNING is all that matters and fuck coherence.
>>47165417
It's what would make the most sense yeah.
A real comercial crossover would also probably involve more factions crossing over because of money money money.
>>47165389
Because the Justice League alone would decimate every real faction.
Superman on anything that isn't fucking magic, Dr. Fate would RUIN everything even quasi-magic related.
Those are the only two worth mentioning, because everyone else is quite literally window dressing.
Kinda funny when you think about it, The Kryptonian would tank the C'tan and the fucking -Lord of Order- would tank Chaos.
>>47157972
Considering Doom is a more competent God Emperor as long as there isn't a Reed around, 616 does okay.
>>47165449
Almost everyone who isn't some world eating bad guy would be better off if Superman decided to clean up 40k.
>>47165449
How well can Superman FTL? The 40k galaxy is pretty big, and cleaning up the Imperium would take a hell of a long time even for him.
>>47163597
>Dude, EVERY wizard or psychic being in the marvel universe is fucking done. Their own brains, unprotected, can explode and have endless daemon armies poor through them.
This is almost word for word the plot of the first arc of Waid's Agents of SHIELD. It was a big enough deal to take two whole issues for a bunch of D-listers to deal with and had no actual repercussions on anything.
Ignoring the 'Chaos King' that already exists/has existed, we come into the concept that the Chaos Gods themselves are more a conception
Which means they'd be same level as the other cosmic concept entities: Eternity, Death, Infinity, Galactus (In his upper form), Shuma, etc.
The concepts -can- be defeated but usually are fighting at %1 or whatever bullshit writers give that a cosmic entity jobs to some life form on a mudball planet when these people can literally will them away.
That said, no one quite knows Shuma's exact power level besides him only using said 1% of his power. And he's a multiverse level threat. He can only be 'defeated' by not letting him in.
Which means the best way to fight against what is a War/Blood God, Pleasure/Pride God, Non-Death God and God of Magic/knowledge is to not let them in. Thats just the 4 major homies not including Malal who'd wanna start killing Marvel's entities and gods which'll fuck Marvel harder
So
99% of Marvel would be fucked in all reality but Chaos would lose to narrative. More than likely to Squirrel Girl level bs.
>>47166250
Thanos would end them because they threaten his waifu
>>47157972
Chaos Gods get stomped in four issues. I know that people here love to jack off to how powerful 40k shit is, but comic books have 70 god damn years of power creep and cosmic characters that destroy entire dimensions and realities with no effort. Chaos Gods, Emps, Eldar Gods, C'tan, and Old Ones together would hardly register as a threat to one Marvel reality compared to the shit cosmic-level super heroes fight on a weekly basis.
The Orks say that Gork is brutal but kunnin’, and Mork is kunnin’ but brutal. Gork and
Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong they are never truly defeated. They
simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bares his
long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary’s head with a spiked club the size
of a comet. Mork, always the sneaky one, waits until his foe isn’t looking before
clobbering him with a low blow."
>muh chaos wank
>>47162767
Dr Strange hasn't won a real fight in years. Gets btfo by hulk, can't save a plane and that whole avengers run where he just makes excuses, Btfo by Skrulls, can't do jackshit against Odin's brother without more help and the list goes on and on and on.
At this point you're basically using Silver Age stunts to prop up a modern iteration of a character (coughSuperman).
>>47157972
pls dont taint beauty with your american franchise
>>47163461
>If one of the Chaos Gods wins the Great Game, then all multiverse will be destroyed.
