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>>47148769
First for Aspect rangers.
Welcome to X-Winghammer 40k.
>>47148769
Where is Chickin?
Leaving my place for the summer and I can only take one army to play at my FLGS and work on finishing. The choice between eldar/corsairs or Kriegers, think eldar might be better and they can be tailored to local metas.
>what do?
What does a good IG mechanized list looks like at 1500 pts ?
Also, are Devil Dogs worth fielding ? I kinda like the idea of a big melta on tracks.
What are the upcoming releases for 40k? Any leaks?
>>47148870
>eldar/corsairs
everytime
>>47148883
BLACK TEMPLARS TRANSFER SHEETS FOR US WHO CAN'T PAINT HERALDIC CROSSES PLEASE
>>47148878
DDs are alright if your meta features tanks.
Shit vs tourneyfags tho.
>>47148909
So what would be a tourney list for IG ? I'm not into super heavies so I don't want to field a knight.
>>47148847
So, are Tyranids and flying monstrous creatures obsolete due Death in Skies?
>>47148995
No, why would they ? If anything they are better since flyers will be more common now and FMCs are good at taking them down.
Soooo is the vendetta not a thing anymore?
>>47148995
Nope, they get to ignore the Dogfight phase, role limitation and still do all their jobs.
Their only detriment is they don't have any flight wings.
There are some formation that hurt them though
Fighter in Intolerance pattern really tears the ass of flying nurgle princes with ignore cover.
700-points-of-CSM-building anon again. Basically I'm trying to get back into 40k and thinking of buying and painting 700 points of CSM while scoping out my local stores. Got some really good advice so far, here's where I'm at at the moment:
Sorcerer (Level 3, Terminator Armour, Spell Familiar)
10 CSMs with 2 Plasma Guns, Rhino
20 Cultists
Vindicator
This leaves me with 135 points left and I'm looking for suggestions - Spawn and Bikers have both been suggested to me, also thinking maybe Raptors?
I also really like the Terminator Sorcerer, but I'm not sure how to actually field him, ideas for that as well?
>>47149019
None of the forgeworld models until they get classified into Attack, Fighter, Bomber and get their own Agility/Pursuit stats.
>>47149019
Naw, they did a day one faq (no fix though)
Stats like a valk, use prices and option in codex.
>>47148847
What happens with those aircraft that didn't get rules in the new stuff?
I rather like my Avenger Strike fighters for my SOB.
>>47148769
Thanks for splitting the general with your non-conformity. You must have been the coolest kid in highschool.
>>47148995
Well, that means that Tyranids will always have -2 to reserves or so, so long the other player has fliers.
>>47149128
Congratulation for looking at pictures rather than reading.
>>47148900
they used to have that
which probably means it isn't coming back
you can always get your own transfers printed though
>If only one player has Flyers in Reserve at the end of the Dogfight phase, then they are said to have Air Superiority. A player with Air Superiority can choose to add or subtract 1 from their Reserve Rolls, and their opponent must subtract 1 from all of their Reserve Rolls.
>I f you deploy a Air Detachment Air Commander:If you have Air Superiority and the commander is in Reserve, you can add or subtract 2 from your Reserve Rolls, rather than 1, and your opponent must subtract 2 from their Reserve Roll.
Can any guard players clarify this for me?
Can they take three special weapons (two if heavy flamer also chosen) along with a heavy weapon team?
Or if a heavy weapon team is chosen can they only take one special weapon?
>>47148780
>Not Planeteers
>With your powers combined I AM KHAELA MENSHA KHAINE!
>>47149162
HW team and 3 special weapons.
>>47149155
>flyers aren't selling enough : the book
well shit i don't want to buy more valks and the vendetta got semi squatted
>>47149172
There are more than 5 aspects.
Spent as while trying to see if i could find extra rangers for Shining Spears and Shadow Spectres
Any friends of basedCCONin three hours you can place orders to get in on the sale.
I honestly don't know what I should get. I am thinking fliers as my list sucks with anti-air. He also has some cool bases
Does anyone know if he sends his fliers with a base? A landspeeder I got had one but none of the bikes, walkers or infantry did.
Anyone here placing an order?
>>47149162
You can take a heavy weapon team and three special weapons, yes. But why would you tho ? Special weapons on a squad featuring a heavy weapon team seems wastefull.
>>47148780
WHEN THE FUCK IS GW GONNA UPDATE THE ASPECT WARRIORS?
I WANT NEW ONES, WITH MORE DYNAMIC POSES, AND ONES THAT ACTUALLY FEATURE ALL THE FUCKING WARGEAR OPTIONS!
SHIT LIKE THIS FOR EXAMPLE!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>47149200
>WHEN THE FUCK IS GW GONNA UPDATE THE ASPECT WARRIORS?
When people start buying them, instead of just spamming wraithknights, wave serpents and the D.
>>47149218
But I don't want monopose resin-trash.
Plastic or broke.
>>47149180
>>47149198
Thank you based anons.
Wanting a squad that will be holding my deployment zone in cover - most likely in a building as I play quite a lot of city fighting boards.
They will never be moving once deployed.
>>47149128
Congrats on being illiterate and getting your mom to post for you
>>47149200
>Swordwind is probably the most fun and cool army in 40k right now
>Finecast
Just put me in the fucking infinity circuit.
>>47149218
Maybe people would buy them if they didn't have over decade old, monopose models that often need conversion work for you to even be able to kit the exarchs with all the wargear options they have.
Look at these motherfuckers.
>>47149218
Doesn't everyone use Warp Spiders? Everyone loves those guys, but they're older than I am.
>>47149244
>>47149228
Well, not buying shit didn't help WHFB nor Sisters, so what options do we have left?
>>47149130
I feel like this is bullshit and should be faq'd to only reserved that come in on a flier or reserves that ate a flier take the penalty. Fliers aren't going to stop a ravager, for example
![Primarch_magnus_the_red_by_jubjubjedi-d37od6b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kvpxNj6.jpg "Primarch_magnus_the_red_by_jubjubjedi-d37od6b[1].jpg")
Remember, Magnus did nothing wrong.
>>47149271
Ugh what an awful mashup.
It's like egyptian and aztec culture had a baby with downs.
>>47149116
There is no good way to field a Terminator Sorcerer. Sorcerers on Bikes/Discs can roll with Spawn or Bikers, Sorcerers in Power Armor can roll in Rhinos, but Sorcerers in Terminator Armor are stuck sitting around with Cultists, being utterly ineffectual.
Have fun with Chaos Shit Marines.
>>47149271
didn't he create a warpstorm on Terra that the Emperor has to hold back every second with whats left of his mental/physical existence?
>>47149312
Land Raider?
>>47149271
>Magnus did everything wrong
FTFY
>>47149330
Land Raiders aren't even good for loyalists, and ours have less carrying capacity and no PotMS.
Space Marines are only good because they have crazy good formations and Grav Weapons. Even these new powers wouldn't be a huge deal if they didn't get to cast on a 2+ thanks to the Conclave. Most CSM units are just shitty knock-offs of loyalist units, our formations are garbage, and most of our unique units are also garbage. There are a tiny handful of good CSM units (Sorcerers, Chaos Spawn, Nurgle Bikers), a couple decent units (MSU Blastmaster Noise Marnes, Baledrake, Daemon Prince, the FW tanks and fliers), and that's about it.
>>47149271
That's not how you spell "Ahriman".
Newish player here, I was looking to get into 40k as I have watched my friends play a bit and have been coached at small point games.
I want to play Daemons but mostly Khorne and some Tzeentch appeal to me.
Are those two gods a good combination and if not what are some decent proxies I could use for other gods' units to keep with the Khorney feel of my army.
My friend suggested I try Khorne Daemonkin but since I don't much like Space Marines aesthetics perhaps I could use the Chaos Armies fromAge of Signmar
How powerful would a Fire Hawks Librarian be if he was in the Legion of the Damned?
>>47149358
All Tzeentch units are good, other than the Burning Chariot. Flamers are only really good in the Warpflame Host.
The good Khorne units are Flesh Hounds and Blood Thirsters.
Khorne units definitely complement Tzeentch units, although you're often better off just taking more Tzeentch units and then summoning Khorne stuff once the battle starts.
Since the Vandetta no longer has skyfire, wha'ts the best AA option for IG ? Hydra batteries ? Shit is weak.
>>47149312
>>47149351
Yeah, I had a feeling. Problem is, I quite like the Sorcerer and all the Sorcerer models other than the Terminator one are hideous beyond belief. My original intention was a fairly cheap support HQ that I could run with the Cultists and power up the rest of the army.
Thoughts? Advice for the rest of the army?Apart from pick something that isn't CSMs.
>>47149412
Just play regular Space Marines with the CSM models is the best possible advice. CSM just aren't enjoyable to play with. Your marines are weak-willed pussies, everything is overcosted and ineffectual, and you're constantly going to be reminded of this every time you play a loyalist marine player.
Get a Fire Raptor for 1000 points. Look at running MSU Plagues with embedded Cyclopia Cabal sorcerers if you want to try Rhino rush. Nurgle Bikers are pretty baller, and a Nurgle Biker Lord is pretty much the only HQ we can field that won't get his shit pushed in by cheaper SM equivalents.
>>47149381
Sadly enough, hydras. Your next best thing would allies, probably Skitarii Onagers with Icarus Arrays
>>47149381
Rapiers.
>>47149449
>just play spcae marines with CSM models
>>47149412
>cheap support HQ that I could run with the Cultists and power up the rest of the army.
Take either a cheap Lord to give your cultist blob fearless or a dark apostle.
Here are some good CSM staples that haven't been suggested.
>Obliterators
Very versatile and quite resilient you can give them MoN or MoT for extra resistance or just run them as they are.
>Baledrake
Even post nerf it still is the ultimate MEQ killer and is cheap. It is also decent AA with vector strike.
>Las Predator
Just good old fashioned anti tank, you can never go wrong with one
>Sicaran (FW)
Just says fuck to eldars of all sorts and overall better than a laspred at almost every levels. If you can, field one.
>Chaos/Renegade knight
Well it's a knight.
>Aegis defence line with quadgun
Underestimated piece of fortification right there. For 100 points you buy a 4+ cover for your cultists and a great AA gun for your support HQ to man.
>>47148769
What do good IG lists look nowadays? Any more infantry lists around? It's been a while since I was last in this. Before the age of Sigmar shat all over WHFB, in fact.
>>47149505
Yhea I want to know too, I'm currently building a mechanized IG list but I'm struggling with what to buy.
>>47149116
So just add a unit of 3 terminators for him to roll with. Power axes. Also split the cultists into 2 squads of 10.
Deep strike if necessary, combi-meltas are useful.
>>47149312
>There is no min maxed way to field a Terminator Sorcerer
Kill yourself
>>47149449
You too
>>47149534
>putting your HQ in termicide
m8...
>>47149505
>>47149527
>tfw the main IG player I know is a complete tool, backseat player and thinks he is holier than thou.
That said I usually see either Tanks and Vetmeras or Infantry blobs with artillery support.
>>47149449
Eh I had a Baledrake in the army originally, but people said (rightly) that I would look like a dick if I showed up day one with a flyer in a 700 point list (even if it is 700 points of CSM). Can't think what else I could take to round out the list though.
And before I decide on what to do with the sorc - what discipline do people usually take these days? Telepathy seems strong, especially if they're in a support / buff role.
>>47149505
>>47149527
If you want infantry most will tell you to call your army Renegades.
What's good is what you can use to their full extent.
That said, cookie cutter IG is usually:
Tank Commander
2 x Armored Vets /w
Chimeras and vox-caster(for Artillery)
1x Vendetta
Culexus assassin
Emperors Wrath Artillery
Wyvern/Basilisk/Manticore, Command Squad /w Vox, and Tech Priest.
Add you own choice of toppings.
>>47149576
Telepathy and hope for getting invisibility. You can also try Biomancy if you have a somewhat fighty sorcerer but I wouldn't recommend it. Everything else is trash.
>>47149590
>not using deep striking scions for arty spotting
>>47149590
Thanks, that's helpfull.
Since the Vandetta is now much weaker, is taking something else a good investment ?
Fishing for feedback.
Working on a "Tzeentch Daemonkin" fandex, and this is the draft of the psychic disciplines. It's not going to have a "Blood Tithe" table equivalent, just a bunch of disciplines and some new wargear to turn regular Aspiring Champions into Psykers.
I went with D3 tables instead of D6 because it allows the tables to be more focused with less overlap. Flame is for mind dakka, Fate is for buffing with a focus on shooting, Deceit is for debuffs/utility, and Change is the mutation/melee discipline. Disciplines will have the same "up to half your ML on a single table" restriction from C:CSM.
For the purposes of Psychic Focus, psykers will get to choose the primaris from any of these disciplines.
>>47149551
It's a psyker, you're better off trying to get your damage in somehow. Most psychic attacks are 24 inches or less in range anyway.
Besides, you don't have to deep strike the unit.
>>47149619
Vendetta is just as good as it always has been, it just can't participate in "pay points for models that you might not field" phase which i feel is a good thing
>>47149614
They don't anything for minimum troops.
>>47149619
Vendetta is and Attacks Fighter so it still kills ground targets good, but definitely some dedicated anti-tank.
>>47149628
>>47149639
I thought that since its price hike, Vandettas were mainly taken as AA tools. But now they can't do that anymore...
Some really good advice here, thanks /tg/.
>>47149501
>a cheap Lord to give your cultist blob fearless
Not trying to cause offense here, but what would be the point? At the end of the day aren't cultists just a sponge that can hold objectives? On the other hand, I do like the idea of using the Champion in the Cultist Assault box as a cheapish Lord.
Other suggestions look good though, thinking about running the Sorc with a couple Obliterators.
>>47149534
I do really like Chaos Terminators, but I gather they have a tendency to, well, die. I suppose a cheapish Biomancy lord in a deep striking Terminator squad is a neat idea. What is the "min max" way to field a Terminator Sorcerer?
>>47149608
Yeah that was the impression I got. I've heard some people use Pyromancy though, is it any good or shit too?
>>47149639
fair enough
though you can get them for the cost of not taking the chimeras
>>47149619
i honestly doubt many people will be using the flyer rules aside from the formations (and you don't want to play people who bring those to any game below 2000 points) or for the novelty of it
if you want good AA you can take a hydra instead of a wyvren in the artillery detachment , the CCS can issue a hydra the ignore cover order making jink useless and the 2 things you are using the formation for (twin linked and ignore cover) is built into the wyvren by default so you can just use a heavy support slot for it if you still want to take one
>>47149200
>>47149699
Never understood how 2 s7/ap4 shots qualified as "Good" AA, besides forcing FMC's to take Grounding tests.
>>47148900
>>47149551
let no good deed go unpunished
let no evil deed go unrewarded
He didn't choose the chaos life. The chaos life chose him.
>>47149750
I used to alternate between that one without the dots and this when I did my templars.
>>47149689
Basically take a sorcerer, give spell familliar and level 3. Roll 3 times in biomancy, pray for endurance to keep the squad alive.
I do this a lot as I play melee focused CSM
Oi, people. Fixed a couple of things: typos, gear rules, and such. Adjusted Codex PDF now available:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20%5BSpace%20Odin%5D%282016%29.pdf?dl=0
BattleScribe .BSR (opens in Roster Editor->File->Import data from file):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tq162lrlggtvxnt/Orks.bsr?dl=0
>>47149746
It's not good, those players are delusional.
4 interceptor lascannon shots from an av 14 building however, that's good AA
>>47149842
What squad do you run him in?
>>47149746
4 twin linked shots mate
>>47149868
Personally? I take one on a bike with spawn or a jump pack with some raptors. Primarily because I play melee of course.
Putting their sorcerer coven on the table could work, taking many boxes with CSM, adding sorcerers to each squad and rolling at the enemy.
Then again, without good open topped transports, warp gate/portal equivalent... CSM have a tough time getting there.
>>47149885
Oh right 2 guns.
>>47149867
No skyfire?
>>47149271
>>47149328
>>47149346
Even in the Wulf-wank, anti-TS, anti-Magnus bullshit fiction, it shows Magnus suddenly understanding the gravity of what he'd done by bursting through all the barriers the Emperor had set beneath the palace in his construction of a human Webway. However, it sounds fucking retarded & is still the Emperor's fault for not communicating & ignoring warnings of Horus' betrayal & approaching armies.
Boo-fukken-hoo, Magnus broke a bunch of psychic mirrors or whatever that could be rebuilt--but only if Emps had listened to him & fucked up Horus.
>>47149746
most fliers are AV10 or 11, so you're likely to pen or glance. and aren't hydras twinlinked?
Or do you must mean anti FMC? because that is a different kettle of fish.
>>47149867
>bs2
>>47149915
And they are dirt cheap too so they aren't a bad investment to make.
>>47149917
>Boo-fukken-hoo, Magnus broke a bunch of psychic mirrors or whatever that could be rebuilt--but only if Emps had listened to him & fucked up Horus.
Actually, It's said that Magnus created a permanent breach between Warp space and reality forcing the Emperor or some else to have to sit on the Golden Throne and keep it shut or else the breach will expand and daemons and the destructive forces of Chaos would pour over earth and undo it.
>>47149197
Yeah I have a bunch of Ad Mech stuff to buy and am honestly tempted to get an Atropis. Idk how his titans are but everything ive gotten from him thus far has been great.
>>47149934
75% hit chance, on average 1,5 glances and 0,5 pens.
>>47149950
Source on this ? To my knowledge, the only thing he did is destroy by mistake the emperor's work on terra.
>>47149699
I went to a GW store yesterday and picked up the new Ork Blastajet. The lady who runs the store didn't even pressure me into buying the new book. She just said "Oh, and we've got the Death from the Skies book in if you want to play with the new rules."
>IF you WANT to play with the new rules.
Even my GW store says it's entirely optional.
>>47149915
The firestorm redoubt has skyfire, interceptor and the cannons are twin linked.
Also you can upgrade the vengance weapons batteries to have the same gun, I think it becomes cheaper and you have two different buildings rather than 1.
>>47149948
Twin linked and can upgrade to bs 3 easily. More than enough.
>>47149963
It's 1 glance and 1 pen on average against AV10 flyers. It's pretty good for 70pts imo.
>>47149116
>>47149412
In practice, a single Level 3 sorcerer can't do anything more than a Level 2 sorcerer can. You'll end up casting the same number of powers and it's a waste of 25pts in such a small list. Consider running Crimson Slaughter for the Balestar of Mannon because rolling on Divination is awesome and it's got a Spell Familiar built in.
You're not putting enough space marines on the table; for all the bargain Cultists seem like, know that they are as useful as Gretchin in practice and cost 2x. Maybe take them anyway. This is the actual great shortcoming of CSM. You can't afford to put enough spacemans on the table because your shit costs literally 150% what you could get from Space Wolves specifically, maybe more like 135% from the normal SM codex + AoD supplement. I digress.
Plasma guns suck because you can't assault after Rapid Fire, and you're playing assault marines. Which means you're running the Mark of Khorne and you've bought CCWs for every dude. Take one Melta, give the Champion Meltabombs. I recommend two squads like this, with 7 marines + 1 champion in a Rhino. Buy the Rhino a Dozer Blade.
Vindicators suck because 24" pieplates are useless; it will either be perpetually out of range or destroyed immediately. I know, you want the STR10 large blast. I know, it's sad. 2x Lascannon 2x Missile Launcher Havoc squad. Deploy in cover, enjoy actually destroying something with your boring ass big gun mans.
Advice for ~750pt games: Substitute all ideas of cultist squads with Helcult. Kit out the Helbrute with a Reaper Autocannon and Power Fist + Combi Bolter. Give both cultist squads Mark of Tzeench (yes really). This little formation is a dickhead in small games.
>>47149970
Collected Visions.
>>47150006
>>47149985
Ah right, hell stick a Vindicare on it.
Bs 8, ignores cover for two of the shots.
Or just ratlings.
>>47150016
>>47149950
Which could've been avoided by Emperor communicating with his generals rather than leaving them completely in the dark.
>tfw should go visit my mom for Mother's Day but we work together and I could go play a 5000 point game from noon till nine instead
Honestly fuck this Halmark holiday I want to go play army men...
Anyone else play this weekend?
>>47149590
>culexus
Why ?
>>47150036
Because they rape everything short of battletanks now, psykers are just their favourite chew toys.
>>47150029
>communicating with your most prominent and famous generals about a top secret plan to completely circumvent the navigator jews
that kind of thing is best kept in complete secrecy
I'm thinking of picking up an aegis defence line to hide my firewarriors behind
Good idea?
>>47150060
Apparently not seeing how its the reason he's beef jerky and his empire is a mockery of everything he intended.
>>47150070
Yes, ADL are good. Consider taking the quad autocannon if you lack AA
>>47150081
Alternatively
>mutant assholes who can kill with a glance and are required for long distance travel find out that you've been planning to kill them off for being cunts about it
Hmm, I think not risking a third dark age of humanity being separated across the stars might've the right choice here friendo.
(Everyone hates on Russ but Magnus was basically the opposite side of the same dickish "thinks they know best" coin)
>>47149963
>>47149988
people claim that double missile war walkers are good anti-flier and they cost more and are at 66% hit chance.
They do get to be useful for other types of shooting, so the cost is fair, but as a straight AA option they're worse than hydra
>how dare you complain about underpowered eldar when blahblahblah
the existence of broken options in a codex does not make all the options broken, and I'm not complaining I think the models fair.
But unless you run Crimson Hunters eldar AA options are not great.
>>47150112
Except he did get a third dark age. Technology is treated like witchcraft and war like a religion, all because he was too much of a dipshit to keep a mobile phone on him.
>Hmm, maybe I should surround myself with psychically reactive explosives?
>After all I do have several psychic sons who might try to contact me in an emergency...
>Naaaaaah, it'll be fine.
>>47150033
I think if I could actually get a 5000pt game in and didn't have work or any other engagements then I would definetly go play. Unless you already had plans to go out with your mom for a dinner or anything then be mature and tell her you would rather go play with toys.
>Working with your mom
That sounds terrible. I may have actually had that nightmare as a teenager.
>>47150020
Well it is a building that holds 20, can't issue orders out of it but great for protecting a unit. Hell you can even charge when you exit the building.
>>47150145
It could be much worse frankly.
also
>to keep a mobile phone on him
Big E had a phone but Magnus send his message by way of WMD.
He didn't just "psion IM" him
He did a fucking sacrificial warpcraft ritual
Magnus literally could've used some other more conventional method and not fucked things up.
I get you want to be all Magnus Defense Force (believe me I know since I actually favor Dorn) but you have to admit Magnus' method was daemon on head retarded.
>>47150271
Yeah Magnus is probably my favourite primarch, but he totally fucked up. That's why his is an interesting story. He had the best intentions and so did Russ.
>>47150081
people fucking up horus with DARK MAGIC is outside of his control, m8
Emps is just a dude. He's not omniscient.
>>47149852
What's with the stikkbomb chucka?
Why does zagstuk still not have any decent melee weapon?
Why can't half the HQ choices not scrounge up a 'eavy armour when any boy can?
Why does it cost the meganobs 50 points to have the tools of a 35 point terminator?
Why do kommandos pay more for burnas than other lads?
Where is the Ranged Weapons list the Nob entry refers to?
28 point warbiker nob, 36 points nob biker nob.
Where is the smasha gun?
Why can't the battlewaggon have the fancy mek guns?
Why can't lootas loots some 'eavy armour?
>>47150353
emps is far more then just a dude and he has seen the future or so black library says. even if they didn't there's a strong chance he would have seen the future since he is the most powerful psyker in existence and who turned into a god
>>47150353
>Emps is just a dude. He's not omniscient.
He just likes to think he is.
>>47150411
Why can't lootas take git findas for that matter.
>>47150496
>being infected by the imperial cult
papa robute would be most disappointed in you
Oh i guess this is the real thread or whatever.
So back to cheerleader bodyguards or can I not read?
>>47150553
Ill let you figure out how you were wrong on you own.
>>47149285
plus the unneeded halfsquat like he tries really hard to make a fart
>>47150112
Alternatively Alternatively
>by talking to Horus and Lorgar about the truth of Chaos, he prevents the Heresy
>by giving Magnus a heads up on his secret project, he protects the webway
He doesn't have to tell everyone, but he does have to tell his super-powerful sons, or they will wreck his projects through their ignorance, which is PRECISELY what happened.
It really is all Big E's fault.
>>47150589
I think elsewhere there's a note that if there's a challenge, and other models don't have anyone outside of that challenge to attack, they can attack to the challenge.
>>47149750
IT'S NOT FUCKING EVEN AHHHHHH
>>47150589
If you go to the 40k page where the thing is originally posted, they say the picture for Independent characters is apparently wrong and the correct info is in description section. In said section it clarifies that models not in the challenge can hit the challenged model if there's nothing left to hit
>>47150411
Fair points.
Stikkbomb chukka is same as the Flinga now, because it was dumb to leave it as-is when all Orks have Stikkbombs.
Zagstruk...huh. I guess a Big Choppa wouldn't bust him, but I'd raise his price by 5 points.
Most HQs already have it or access to 'Eavy Armor. Fixed some, like Meks & Painboyz.
MegaNobz have 2 HP.
Kommandos are specialized & tend to achieve optimal location. Points reflect balance & fluff of having to stay sneaky while carrying a flamethrower. May adjust anyway.
Ranged Weapon list has been updated; re-download.
Nobz in a Nobz mob are a different breed & threat than one embedded in Warbikers by nature of their company. Should Orks really get a unit of 43 point Klaw Nobz?
Smasha Gun added; re-download.
Gunwagons are for mobile Mek Gunz. New MGz are too small for a Battlewagon, too large for a Trukk.
Lootas have to haul around Deffguns. Also, Gitfindas are pretty special gear, & instead of allowing them, we just made Deffguns D3+1 (max 3). More hits either way, no price change.
>>47149852
10/10, makes them hit hard in close combat like they should, gives them lots of options, addresses lots of issues.
Makes me sad that GW will always be too afraid to do for orks what really needs to be done
Will use in friendly games
Remember when Lilith was useful?
*sob*
CSM for being squatted
>>47151129
Thanks, that was the intent. Make sure you pick up the latest version; I'm in beta & still clearing out small goofs.
The BSR is also updated.
Zagstruk now has a characterful Red Choppa, which itself includes Rending alongside +1 S & I.
>>47149852
the Uge choppa might be a bit OP. I like the effect and dont want it to change, but it should cost around 20-25 points
>>47150271
>>47150353
You don't need to be omniscient to know standing next to psychic explosives when you have psychic sons who just might need to contact you is probably a really dumb idea. You just need to be able to put 2 + 2 together and not keep your generals in the dark. Almost as if a leader should communicate rather than not at all.
>>47151189
>>47150692
Big E's fuck ups go even earlier than that. Seeds of bitterness were planted the moment he met some of the soon to be traitor primarchs. Really Emps? You couldn't just intervene on Nuceria by sending your army in to rescue Angron's slave buddies? You absolutely HAD to kidnap Ron and leave his comrades to get gangbanged? Common sense not one of the Emperor's many skills.
>>47151393
Just wait until the end of the HH series when we find out the Heresy was his plan all along for... reasons.
im in 'Murica and we don't have offical GW stores there. Whats it like in one? does the staff hump you, will you get kicked out for unofficial models, does the staff insist that GW is great?
>>47151427
>dont have official stores
>america
lolwut there's one right down the street from me
As for your questions
>staff humping
It's just one guy and he's pretty cool. He checks in on the new guys while their painting to make sure they don't fuck up. Overall not a bad dude.
>unoffical models
Will probably get kicked out since why they heck would they let you use those in store? They make no money off of that. And the manager would be taking a risk because who knows, his boss might come in for an inspection and... yeah.
>insist that GW is great
Not directly. He doesn't really try and push things on people if they don't need them.
>>47151427
I literally went to a GW store yesterday. In Alabama. I've also been to one in Tennessee. There are and have been GW stores in the US for a long time.
>>47151474
oh... never seen one... ever
welp, what are they like
>>47151361
Wulfens are like that because you would never take them without their weapons, so the point cost has been balanced with that idea. They could have made 20 ppm with each weapon option costing 10 points more
Also I can't see which units can take the weapon (since I don't have battlescribe), but those weapons can only be taken by the Wulfen. If the Wolf Guard or other units could take them it would be OP, but as it is now you are paying either 38/42 points for models as fragile as the Hive Warriors or 50 points for units that are killy and resistant, but are only slightly faster than infantry unitsIf the Uge Choppa could already only be taken by a single unit/model ignore this part of the post
Are there any good 40k books?
>>47151530
what unit is best served by CotW
I play Eldar and have only recently got back into the hobby, I'm going to play a 1750pt game with a friend next week and we are both going to run "non competitive/tryhard" lists to have an interesting game so I wanted to shy away from bike/wraith/D spam, how is my list
HQ
karandas
Troops
7 Rangers
10 Guardians
Heavy Support
Wraithlord - ghostglaive 2x shuri cannon/flamers
Aspect host +1 WS
7 Striking scopions
1 Exarch - scorp claw/chainsword
7 Striking scopions
1 Exarch - scorp claw/chainsword
8 Howling Banshees
1 Exarch - Executioner/shuri pistol
Wave serpent - twin link brightlance
Aspect Host +1 BS
2 Dark Reapers
1 Exarch - Tempest launcher
9 Fire dragons
1 Exarch
Wave serpent - twin linked brightlance
9 Dire Avengers
1 Exarch - power weapon/shimmershield
Total points 1748
>>47151545
C.S. goto
>>47148870
>think eldar might be better and they can be tailored to local metas
have you tried not being an insufferable cunt?
>>47151497
The one I go to is really new. There's a lady who runs it and she's big into painting/ modeling. She doesn't try and upsell me on anything. And she has an assistant who might lurk /tg/ for all I know. He openly admits Riptides are OP and 'Nids are weak. They don't seem to force the delusion that the game is balanced. One time they said some rep came by and taught them how to give daemonette models a second boob with GS.
Overall it was much more laid back than I'd come to expect from reading about GW online.
>>47151588
fascinating
my local hoby store is run by neck beards who smell like hot pockets and pretend like you are not there XD
>>47151559
A choppy Aspect host and shooty Aspect host is a super fun list. Why not max out your squads a bit and push it up to 1800/1850? I'm guessing you only have so many models painted up?
>>47151548
I don't really understand what you mean, but since the Space Wolves codex is really mid-tier outside of the TWC the answer should be obvious.
Otherwise using them in an army filled with Claw units, that have a wider range of CotW, could be really fun, to make all those relatively cheap and fast cc units reach combat as soon as possible
>>47151625
Yeah that's what I have painted and ready to go, My friend plays orks so I figured a list like this would be fun to play and help get me up to date on rule changes since I haven't played a game since 4th ed
>>47151639
well evidently you did since you answered my question.
So, what's the appeal of orks beyond green tide with rng weapons and powers?
Do they have a good sense of humor, or good books?
>>47151676
Than it's perfectI was actually half expecting that the question was sarcastic, with the implication that the Wulfen aren't slow because they have CotW that would make them faster. I've seen too many people that didn't even bothered reading the actual rule to know that the Wulfen aren't affected by the CotW
>>47151718
this is the apeal of orks
How would you feel about an AoS style 40k, where you just pick what minis you wants and play them as long as they have a points value? Isn't that basically unbound?
>>47151742
yeah i was thinking about running them with TWC but they are slow so it seems like they would get left behind.
>>47151718
Wicked sick conversion potential.
>>47151718
most ork players I know like them because they are the humorous and the laid back faction. Also the conversion opportunities are amazing and not that hard to pull off.
Would 3 lascannon teams and a vanilla leman Russ with a forward lascannon be enough anti armor for a 1000 point Krieger list?
>>47151497
My only local store is a GW. It's a one man store and the owner is pretty ok but if you challenge him to a game and beat his special snowflake armies he gets all stroppy and passive aggressive.
He he hates count-as and will tell you to buy the proper model but will never actually do anything about it and will threaten to throw you out if you mention EBay or anything 3ed party.
>>47151776
Never lascan on vanilla russ, snapshots makes it's points a waste.
>>47151823
bring in coke can drop pods and chapter house conversions.
>>47151842
So the rest is bueno?
>>47151902
Below a thousand it should do, unless you meed a heavily mechanized army.
>>47149116
Dude we told you last thread, drop the termi armor. A footslogging TermiSorc in a mob of 20 Cultists is a waste of points, and your opponent will drool over it while you grow to hate it. Dont do it.
>>47151718
War... uh, WAAAAGH is the answer.
>>47151718
Well for me green tide never appealed, it was the mad inventions, scrap tanks an looming brute clobbering marines with repurposed lamp-posts.
Super mutants with cockney accents i guess.
>>47151773
>humorous and the laid back
read their actual fluff
>>47149189
Exactly. Anyone who goes out and buys a few flyer kits and this supplement is the epitome of a consumer-drone. The type of retard that buys whatever comes out for 40k, and has no interest in forcing GW's hand, and helping to improve the quality of the game.
tldr: if you run out and buy death from the skies and a bunch of flyers you're a full blown retard. No arguments, no discussion. Straight up fucking retard.
>>47152004
clap clap clappy clap...
now if only people would listen
>>47152004
should we boycott GeeDubs?
>tfw the new GW store that's like 10 mins away will be store #100
Gonna be a fun next weekend, bros.
>>47149197
Anyone have his current catalog?or email?
Is buzzgob's 400 pt stompa good enough to push Orks out of the basement in ITC tournaments?
>>47152061
>ITC tournaments
Unless you play by their meta, you lose
So no
>>47151823
depends heavily on how autistic your manager is
GW gives em a lot of leeway , my manager told me they can choose to have the 3 paints +base rule to play at stores if they want
>>47152168
>tfw my army only has 2 colours because It physically hurts me to paint
>>47152004
This 100%. One of GW's most transparent cash-grabs ever
Only GW dick-riders will defend Skies of death
>>47149200
>Eldar
>Complaining
Senpai half the Chaos shit doesn't even built properly. Learn to embrace the pain.
>>47152246
>No one else is allowed to want something unless their faction is Chaos
Eat a dick.
>>47149189
>nerfs flyers derpy levels of flexibility
>gives flyers that so get cucked by a particular denial list at least something to do
>neatly integrated into already existing reserve mechanics
If gw gave you people a blowjob you would cry about how they ruffled you pubes.
>>47152004
I haven't bought a GW model in 6 years.
I was pretty close when the genestealer cult stuff came out. But they didn't get a codex, so I held out.
>>47152222
It has some decent artwork. Other than that I hate it.
>>47152292
we would cry because they would ask for $10,000
So which books have chaos space marine formations?
Are the two supplements, Imperial armour lost & damned, Imperial armour vraks, and the apoc rulebook the only ones?
>>47152292
>nerfs flyers derpy levels of flexibility
but makes them way stronger in a single role IF you have atleast 3 of them
>gives flyers that so get cucked by a particular denial list at least something to do
?
>neatly integrated into already existing reserve mechanics
aka if you don't bring flyers you aren't getting reserves : order now !
>>47152479
How do fliers interact with reserves? I've not got the new book and doubt I will get it as I don't plan on buying fliers
>>47152479
>aka if you don't bring flyers you aren't getting reserves : order now !
>bring 20pt comm relay
>back to parity if the bring a flyer AND have a wing leader
>basically auto get everything turn 2 if they don't
>>47151582
>salty.jpg
Rather it was intended that the army can be used to create fluffy lists but also lists that are stronger if the opponent wishes it. It's not some autismo rage that you are referring too where everyone wants to tailor in a WAAC situation.
>>47152507
If only one player has Flyers in Reserve at the end of the Dogfight phase (pg 68), then they are said to have Air Superiority. A player with Air Superiority can choose to add or subtract 1 from their Reserve Rolls, and their opponent must subtract 1 from all of their Reserve Rolls.
>>47152544
I'm glad flyers can target teleporting Terminators and subterranean beasts.
>>47150692
Magnus did his shit even though he knew the risks of doing it, it would end the same way anyways, the same goes for Lorgar.
>>47152513
The Swarmlord is now marginally more useful.
>>47152544
Great, fuck playing against people with fliers who want to use the new rules
He never should have recruited Angron, dude was a lost cause.
Just find someone else to be the "Primarch".
>>47151418
Double-twist, Emps is a giant chaos worshiper
The signs are all there
>Cabal tells Alpharius that killing the Emperor completely is the only way to defeat chaos, if he gets only sort of killed the Galaxy descends into grimdark, which is exactly what happened
>Big E and Molech, if he didn't 'steal' his power from the Gods, what was he doing?
>Fateweaver telling Horus exactly what would happen, with Emps being worshiped in a shitty galaxy and Horus forgotten
>>47152640
Really should have just executed Angron on the spot.
However even the Emperor had a heart. Killing a son is still killing a son.
>>47152662
makes you wonder what those two guys did that got removed from history
>>47152681
One rebelled and one too far gone in body.
>>47152681
One of them was a brony.
>>47152609
This. I never like flyers. It feels too much like they added a rock paper scissors element to the game.
>>47152246
Mfw Orks have shit rules but at least we get new kits that look good.
>>47152222
>>47152358
>>47152029
>>47152049
>>47152004
Oh it's happening again. Everyone grab your pitchforks, I'd sell some but the market is saturated already for you lot.
>>47152660
>Chaos gets a new army out of the heresy
>Imperium becomes a stagnant, backward and slowly crumbling regime
>Worship corpse
He's the greatest champion Nurgle ever had.
>>47152662
>Emperor should have executed a man who was going to be killed next morning
>>47152712dark angels successors
>>47152712
*lgbt rights activist
>>47152712
Canon missing Primarch Rainbow Dash.
>>47152720
I agree, its annoying having to spend extra points/update slots to give units skyfire to counter fliers on the off chance someone brings one
>>47152741
DESU I've never played Orks but if I was a wealthier man I'd but that shit for the sheer fun of making them look as mad as possible. I loved that Golden Demon winner from 2009 (i think?) that just had a regiment of Orc Boyz fighting to represent the Stupidity rule.
>>47152702
>too far gone in body
What does this mean? He got mutated at some point and when emps found him he looked like a chaos spawn?
>>47152754
Killing a Primarch would prove difficult and painful for Angron.
The Big E could smite him with mercy and kindness.
>>47152712
>saving the world's oceans by killing all the xeno who live in it
>fucking french chaos-worshippers destroy the battle barge
>>47152786
Mutated, crippled, injured.
No use to the project.YFW an entire subesction of Mars is actually a giant dreadnaught for the lost son.
>>47152759
That's already the Dark Angels, bro.
>>47152808
Forgive the shit out of his with the Blade of Mercy
>>47152004
Went to the store yesterday and picked up the book and already have a game scheduled to play.
Oh and I own
3 Razorwing Jetfighters, 1 Voidraven bomber, 10 Remoras, 2 Sunshark Bombers, 1 Barracuda, 1 Tiger Shark, 2 Storm Talons, 2 Storm Ravens, 1 Dark Talon, 1 Nephilim, 2 Crimson hunters, 3 Helldrakes, 1 Hell Talon, 1 Hell Blade, 1 Fire Raptor Gunship.
>>47152848
Jesus H. Christ
>>47151718
They're the best IP GW ever generated.
It's not about the green tide or random powers, it's about the childish joy with which Orks embrace such things, there's rarely a sad ending for orks for even if we died we died fighting, which is what we love and seek.
Also their comics are top-tier
>>47152004
what if I buy a stormhawk even though I play Grey Knights, can't use it, and I just like the model?
>>47152919
>which is what we love and seek.
Also how they reproduce.
>>47152929
You can take fliers as a separate detachment so you could use pretty much any fucking fliers you wanted
>>47152929
As long as you're not using any detachments and only formations or other unbound shit, you're RAW legal.
If not just bring an allied detachment.
>>47152681
since the scattering of the primarchs was supposed to be dangerous as fuck, occam's razor says they just died. maybe one pod landed on a gas giant, and another on a world full of tyranids or something. the two legions were stricken from history because space marines without a primarch were thought to be asking for trouble at the time
>>47152962
sphess wolves made sure they were removed from history.
>>47152975
IIRC the Ultramarines and Dark Angels simply absorbed their numbers because suspiciously those 2 had far greater numbers than other chapters.
>>47152929
The new book contains all the relevant rules for all GW flyers (so not FW ones), and contains a formation that is 1-3 flyers making it incredible easy to take any flyer you want.
Remember you can take as many formations as you have points for.
>>47152962
None of the Primarchs were ever found. The Emperor just found twenty of the galaxy's most impressive men and quietly had them gene-seeded up before introducing them to the wider galaxy as his "sons".
>>47152975
>>47152983
[desire to make a rainbow warriors army intensifies]
I saw somebody post that anniversary imperial space marine painted up in rainbow warrior colors, I think that sealed the deal for me. Shame I didn't save it.
Re-posting and cross-posting, because knights are expensive and I'd like to hear /tg/'s thoughts:
What's a cost-effective composition for a Forsworn Knight detachment? I'll buy like. . . A box of Renegade and one standalone knight. I'm thinking. . .
1x dual gatling, stubber, stormspear
1x reaper, thunderstrike, melta
1x ???
Gatling knight is there for maximum brrrt and to capitalize on preferred enemy if they bring a knight.
Melee knight is there to screen brrt knight and throw stuff.
For the last knight I don't know if I want to take a balanced composition, or maybe go triple melta (2x thermal, melta) to hunt TEQ and AV14
Should I suck it up and just field a trio of super gatling bros?
>>47152808
>Killing a Primarch would prove difficult and painful for Angron.
But he would have died on his own terms, happy and full of content along with his family
>>47153113
Double Battle Cannon is also pretty sweet.
>>47152986
So does that mean that the BA finally have more then one fliers that they can use?And thus will they finally reduce the "most flying, assaulty, psychic, loved chapter that ever existed" bullshit?
>>47153113
I thought you got multiple options in the kits
>not magnetizing massive expensive models with multiple loadouts
>>47153113
buy 2 renegade boxes and try to sell of one of the knigts
>>47153148
They still only have the BA version of the storm raven, but you can easily take talons, and hawks as part of that formation.
Took me long enough, but I just did my first clear of Space Marine on hard. Man, fuck that little bitch ass new recruit.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10163374
>>47152942
Yeah but you need min 2 identical flyers for that.
>>47153193
He's not
He did the right thing, and Leandros did not. What should have happened was the Inquisitor scolding Leandros for going directly to the Inquisition instead of a Chaplain. Resistant to Chaos isn't directly a heretical thing, why would it be? He killed Nemeroth in the name of the Emperor as he should have.
What craftworld is this?
Alternatively, what craftworlds are known for having lots of wraith units besides Iyanden?
>>47152780
>it's annoying to spend points to give units anti-tank weapons on the off chance someone brings one
>it's annoying to spend points to give units horde clearing weapons on the off chance someone brings them
>it's annoying to spend points to give units low ap weapons on the off chance someone brings low sv
>>47153237
Void Dragons Corsairs. Not a craftworld.
>>47153237
It's not a craftworld, it's a corsair fleet.
>>47153175
The Knights arms fit pretty well without needing magnets or glue.
>>47153257
>Void Dragons Corsairs
I wasnt aware corsairs had wraith units
>>47153237
I think that's a Scratchycrotch Wraithknight.
>>47153237
Seems similar to Yme-loc, but they're known for Tanks
